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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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(00:46):
So that's that's one way to start this show here
on this Thursday morning.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
How are we everybody?

Speaker 4 (00:52):
You know?

Speaker 5 (00:53):
Bad news beardness travels. It travels from Tom apparently, so apparently,
you know bad news bears had knows no limits or
no boundaries. You know, it just shows up where it
shows up.

Speaker 6 (01:09):
It was Lee's birthday a couple of days ago, and
I think that extended into the next stuff forty eight hours.

Speaker 5 (01:15):
I mean, it's just interesting that it's always the usual,
like our voices are connected to it, our back end
is connected, like where.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
The bad News? But what are you getting at?

Speaker 5 (01:26):
I mean, I just told you and you gotta you can't.
It can't be anything other than what you are.

Speaker 3 (01:34):
Are you saying? We are the playing games Fox Sports?

Speaker 5 (01:38):
In my mind, I was sitting there like it's a
great segue into playing games.

Speaker 3 (01:42):
I mean, but you know, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:45):
In the end, the Bad News Beers did end up winning,
so there's that, you know, But god, dang, they was
the Bad News Beers all the way up to it.

Speaker 3 (01:52):
Yeah. Yeah, a lot of whiffs before then, a lot
of strikeout.

Speaker 5 (01:56):
Shouts out the Dallas they won something. Huh, they did
some thing.

Speaker 6 (02:00):
Hey, they look good, man, I mean, I know people
are maybe sleeping on them, but they look good. I
could see them being sneakly kind of going on a
little bit of a run.

Speaker 3 (02:09):
You think.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
Yeah, the West, Yeah, yeah, Anthony Davis can play. The
problem is how for how long?

Speaker 6 (02:18):
Yeah? It's just look, That's what I'm saying. If he's
healthy and Clay some of the other pieces they have.

Speaker 7 (02:25):
On that team, man, legs.

Speaker 6 (02:27):
They've got some guys who've been able to navigate through
the playoffs and have won championships before. Man, I'm telling
you that could be a dangerous combination.

Speaker 5 (02:35):
Yeah, I doubt it that one. Ain't going that that's
going to be a short lived you know. It's because
it's short lived. Story is because it's Dallas. No, it's
because the West is pretty loaded, man, and they're just
not going to be able to run that one. I
don't see it. I mean it's possible, clearly, I'm not
I'm not. I'm not an expert. So Q could come

(02:57):
out being you know, correct on it. But I don't
see it though. I just think that if you're going
to look at one of the playing teams out of
the West again, I'm I'm mistaking my I'm putting my
ten toes down on the mountain, on the hill of
the Golden State Warriors. That's That's what I'm gonna do
out of the play in teams.

Speaker 7 (03:18):
But they would have to play each other for a while.

Speaker 5 (03:20):
So yeah, well, I don't see that being a hit
to hit. I'm not saying that way. I'm just saying
the team that I could see making a run out
of the playing games would be Golden State.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
It's hard for me to get excited about playing playing
tournaments and it just look to me the NBA playoffs.
For the most part, we've had a couple of you know,
lower seeded eight and seven teams that have that have
beaten a one or a two seed a few times
in the history of the postseason. It feels like the playoffs,
outside of a four or five matchup and occasional six',

(03:51):
three doesn't start until the second.

Speaker 3 (03:53):
ROUND i, mean these seven.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
Game series with your one eights and your two, Sevens it's, like,
dude can we speed this up or at least make
it more, intriguing make them a three game, series so
at least if the lower seed gets, one you put
everybody else on high alart that there could be an,
Upset BUT i just. CAN'T i can't get excited about
it until the second. Round for the most, part is

(04:16):
what it. Is that's the way it.

Speaker 3 (04:19):
Goes so.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
Congratulations we'll find out what the final matchups are going
to be after these next couple of games get, going
and then we can all look forward, to you, know
hopefully getting past this first round quick get to the second,
round and then we can get to the teams that
are actual title contenders as opposed to some of these playing.

Speaker 3 (04:38):
Teams but.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
There is the discussion that is still going, on but
apparently it's coming to an. End in the world of.
Sports nico has made a. Decision Not Nico, harrison all,
right not. Him every Time i'm going to try this out, Again,
NIKO i stop saying. It avaam has apparently according to rename,

(05:07):
Him i'm leaving. You and for some strange, REASON i
could say that way easier than what the real way of.

Speaker 3 (05:15):
Saying he is reportedly is going to be A Ucla.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
Bruin and apparently this according To Colin, cowherd who sent
this tweet out, yesterday that the family is still saying
this is not about. Money it had nothing to do with.
Money it was all about The Tennessee volunteers. Offense and
so he finds himself reportedly In. Westwood he will be
A Ucla. Bruin but again it's got nothing to do

(05:43):
with money at all, whatsoever and definitely not the four
million dollars that was reported they were asking for when
he was making two million a change already With tennessee
set for this upcoming, Year so he's.

Speaker 7 (05:53):
Going to play for? Free is that what you're? Saying
it's going to go there and be closer to home
and all.

Speaker 3 (05:57):
That that's not.

Speaker 5 (05:57):
Money just so everybody, knows ye playing for, free but
he is playing for less money and the taxes are.

Speaker 3 (06:04):
Higher here's. That, yeah it.

Speaker 6 (06:06):
Was it was a losing proposition all the way. Around
not only would he made more money to your point
too at the, taxes but now he's in a different,
system not on a team that's as. TALENTED i, mean
if you look At tennessee last, year which qualified for
the college Football, playoff and by the, way mind, you
and then this is not to be a slight On Niko,

(06:27):
iamaliava but there's been a string of quarterbacks who have got,
drafted who've been put up big numbers.

Speaker 7 (06:32):
There he did not play that.

Speaker 6 (06:34):
Well that was a defensive led, team that was a
team that could tote the rock. TOO i would, say
if you're looking at one of the weaker parts of their,
team it was the inconsistency in the passing. Game so
not only are there those kind of struggles from, that
but now he goes to a lesser, Team he's not
getting paid as, much and he's gonna be playing having
an uphill, battle playing in a conference where you, know

(06:56):
at least they were one of the top teams in THE.
Sec that's not the case FOR. Ucla you, know they
kind of feel at times.

Speaker 7 (07:01):
Like they're a bit of a.

Speaker 6 (07:02):
Doormat now they turn things around second half of last,
season but it's going to be an uphill battle in
so many different ways for, him and it's. Unfortunate and
whether or not his his, team whether it's his, family
whether it's his, agent wants to admit. It this was
an absolute disaster and it's probably a good thing for
a lot of other players out there in college football

(07:23):
that can hopefully appreciate the opportunities they've, gotten understand that
the grass is not always, greener and try to you,
know what's the saying that, levars you, know be where
your feet are or stand where your fet a or.

Speaker 5 (07:35):
Whatever something to that. Effect, yeah be. Present being present
is being where your feet. Are, yeah that's. YEAH i,
mean why try to be somewhere where you're not.

Speaker 3 (07:46):
Be at where your feet. At be at where your feet.

Speaker 5 (07:48):
At, see that's what happens when you take time, off
you know WHAT i, mean you get rusty with your.
Delivery talking about how is? Smooth then they sound a
little bit. Capta that's not a real.

Speaker 3 (07:58):
Thing all.

Speaker 5 (08:00):
Right, no All i'm gonna say Is i'm happy for
Coach foster because while people may rain down on The
Nico i'm leaving you, parade you, know on his, camp
the kid can play, ball and people can have their
opinions about him and how good and how well he

(08:21):
can play, Ball but the guy can play Some he
can play, football and he was dealing at times last
year For tennessee and probably would have had another good,
year good season under them this season if he were
still to be. There, now you go into a program
where they they have needed to be able to get

(08:42):
a break in order to have the opportunity to get
a player of his, caliber you, know wanting to come
there and play a position of such the magnitude of
what the quarterback's position.

Speaker 3 (08:55):
Is, so you, know.

Speaker 5 (08:57):
Opportunity created or circumstance that's created an opportunity for u
c L. A u C L a is not a
major player in the NI l. Space you're not going
to get u c L a for academic, purposes just
as well as just available funding for NI l for.
Football you're just not going to get elite level, offers

(09:20):
elite level. Money in, fact even prior to, Nil you're
not going to get A you're you're only going to
get a certain level of player because of the academic
requirements that they place on the guys that they bring in.
There so it's like kind of like guys go TO
usc that don't go to u c L. A and

(09:41):
if you understand like the politics of what goes on
at u c L, a you'd understand like it's kind
of like they run things almost like A Ivy league
type level school. Academically SO i think it's a great
gift For Deshaun. WATSON i don't Know, foster excuse, me
this Is Deshaun, geez he's where AM i right?

Speaker 3 (10:02):
Now thank you for that save q.

Speaker 5 (10:06):
UH i think it's a great gift for Coach foster and.

Speaker 3 (10:12):
Damn keep him away from the TOWNS i think.

Speaker 7 (10:21):
To worry.

Speaker 3 (10:21):
About, yeah, yeah it does H BUT i think this
is a great gift FOR u c L.

Speaker 5 (10:26):
A and if they were going to be a pretty
good team going into this, SEASON i think you can actually,
say based upon the circumstances that That Nico i'm leaving
you is is living under. NOW i think they're gonna
get his best version because he's going to be on you,

(10:46):
know he's going to be on guard to everything that's taking.
Place there's gonna be a lot of, criticism a lot of,
scrutiny a lot of coverage that comes his way because
what he did kind of transcends just playing the. Game
it has open in the conversation two larger pieces of
what's going on in college football and sports all. Together
SO i think that it's a it's an advantageous opportunity

(11:09):
For nico to try to redeem himself and maybe repair
his image with what's taking place as of. Late and
it's a great opportunity FOR ucla to be a better
program with what would be considered to be a top
elite type of quarterback on their on their. Roster and
it's not going to cost him a whole. Lot, apparently,

(11:31):
well they got. It they got him on the. Cheap
they got it was like two hundred and fifty less
or something like.

Speaker 3 (11:37):
That they got him on a discount. Level what was
it like.

Speaker 6 (11:40):
Almost, well the number of the FIGURE i saw was
one point seventy five and he was scheduled to make
two point, Six so he's almost a million sure of
what he would have. Made and that's not including to
your earlier point. Taxes by the, Way nico was like
maybe top ten in THE sec last, year like as
far as yards and all. That again going back to the,

(12:01):
point you really didn't play. Overly, well now he's joining
in an offense IN ucla that was one hundred and
twenty sixth in scoring last.

Speaker 7 (12:08):
Year there are one hundred.

Speaker 6 (12:09):
And seventh in the country in sacks. Allowed so the
protection AND i know that was like an. ISSUE i
think that came up in some of these reports, too is, that,
hey it's not AN nfl, Systems, like, well you knew
that on your way. In Joe milton got, Drafted Hendon
hooker got. Drafted there's been other quarterbacks who've gone To
tennessee and gotten. Drafted so it's not like that's held

(12:30):
against those. Quarterbacks if that was your concern or that's
part of the rationale for why you, Left you've gotten
guys to THE nfl level and they've put up good.
Stats and mind, you there's plenty of other quarterbacks that
have played in systems that AREN'T nfl systems and have
also gotten. Drafted so if that was part of the,
rationale it doesn't make any. Sense and, again going back

(12:52):
to the initial, point he hasn't even performed to a
point where you felt confident about him to be able
to go somewhere, else learn a new, system learn new,
chemistry develop all those, things and now he's doing it
with lesser pieces around him in a league that arguably
you'd say they're at at the bottom of the, league
or one of the teams at the. Bottom SO i
just FEEL i feel bad for the young man because

(13:16):
at some point you've got to make your own decisions in,
life and this is one WHERE i don't know who
was in his, ear AND i know that someone made
some anonymous report or someone close to the family WHATEVER
i believe On Front Office, sports which if that's even,
Credible but the truth of the matter is he should
have stood up and Said i'm, good like my payday
is coming after this year WHEN i go to THE.

(13:37):
Nfl and unfortunately now it's, like we'll see how this year.
Goes but maybe he's a couple of years now from
leaving and be able to go to get draft in THE.
Nfl who knows how this whole thing's gonna.

Speaker 2 (13:47):
Shakeout so he's in a worse, situation and he took
what like a seven hundred thousand dollars pay cut in
less than a, week and now he's, yeah now he's
just got to kind of it feels like with anything,
new there's got to be something that's the example of
what not to, do and he's the example of what
not to.

Speaker 3 (14:07):
Do like he's the one that all right, now everybody
kind of has an.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
Understanding AND i do wonder if there's probably coaches and
programs that are that are pointing to, this going, hey,
guys just so you, know like this is how things
could turn really badly for. You you could go from
AN sec quarterback and at a great program who was
a playoff team a year ago.

Speaker 3 (14:28):
TO ucla like.

Speaker 5 (14:30):
That this is limited to such a small minute number
of players for this to even apply. To this is
not going to apply to anyone else but qbs at
major major universities and. Receivers that's about. It that's about.

(14:52):
It that's who this is limited. To you're not going
to see it take place with anybody. Else you could
be as gifted a football player on the defensive side
of the, ball not going to. Happen you could be
as gifted as you'd like to be on the offensive.
Line it's not going to happen running. Back same, thing tight,
end forget about. It if you're a quarterback at AN sec,

(15:13):
school A big ten, school maybe in some instances AN acc,
school you have the ability to possibly push the envelope
on these types of. Conversations not saying that negotiations don't
exist for the other.

Speaker 3 (15:33):
Positions it's just not the.

Speaker 5 (15:35):
Same AND i think one thing that we got to
make sure we're clear on in this, scenario AND i
was listening To kurt Herb street and what he had
to say ABOUT nil With pat, McAfee AND i thought
it was very very well put in thought, out is
that this is turning into negotiations against schools and. Players

(15:55):
in this, instance you're looking At nico getting into a
a negotiation Between tennessee and himself when in, REALITY nil
is in place for you to benefit with your, name your,
image and your. Likeness that's that's getting money through your.

(16:16):
Collective that's that's doing, appearances that's that's MAKING i, Mean
i'm just saying that's that's what it.

Speaker 6 (16:22):
Was, well this is WHY i wouldn't include the collectives
is part of. IT i think the collectives are part
of the issue because the, collectives by and large how
they've operated are groups of boosters who are essentially taking
private money and being able, to you, know help compensate

(16:42):
and create opportunities for players and that in that, fashion
and they're doing it for the university because there wasn't
pay for plash sure or pay to, play which the
truth is is, like that's what it's always been since
it's been, enacted and even before, that when teams and
boosters are paying kids under the, table it's all aways
been paid to. Play, like if we want to take

(17:02):
anil step, further what's always bothered me about it is
if you're not, playing you're not getting. Paid so even
if you want to try to, say, well, oh it's
really about marketing, dollars, Right it's really about those opportunities
to promote brands or do, commercials or do social media
postings and do appearances and all. That does anyone care
about you if you're not, playing if you're not out there,

(17:25):
performing if you're not one of the best. Players, No,
so in, essence it's always really been about getting paid
because you. Play but we we created this world in
which we had to create loopholes and other ways in
which we could find ways of you, know getting players
money that was within the rules of you know what

(17:47):
was passed by The Supreme.

Speaker 7 (17:48):
Court i've said this and will always say, THIS nil
has never been.

Speaker 6 (17:53):
Sustainable the way it was created and the way it's
been implemented wasn't the initial. Purpose but the problem with
the initial purposes you're kind of putting the cart before the.
Horse it always should have been a rev. Share it
always should have been THE tv money that these conferences
and schools were getting were shared with those student athletes
who are the ones actually earning. It and then you

(18:15):
could have IMPLEMENTED nil and you could have said these
marketing dollars from name your apparel, company under, Armor, nike
whoever it's, created or name, whatever a sports, dring whatever
else it, is then that comes as part of, it
because that's the professional. Model look at THE, nfl look
at THE, nba look at all these other professional. Leagues
you are paid by your, organization and then you have

(18:39):
all that as kind of your ancillary income that comes
off of. That but don't get it. Twisted it is
about your ability to. Play and that's one of the reasons,
why like it's it's always been. Backwards it's never made,
sense and it's why it's been a little bit of
a chaotic mess. Too is the essence of why we're
compensating student athletes in the first. Place it's all about their.

(19:01):
Performance it's all about their. Play, well if that's the,
case then make it a structure that actually makes sense
and it's. Lasting and you have examples of that at
every professional.

Speaker 5 (19:10):
LEVEL i just, THINK i, mean it's. Funny, coincidentally we
were going over Man man's you know situation just.

Speaker 3 (19:21):
Yesterday What Man.

Speaker 5 (19:22):
Man it's like three, contracts bro three contracts that you
got to go, through three separate entities of contracts that
you have to go through as it applies to these
nil well not even just an, il but just the
way the kids are. Compensated there's like three different agreements

(19:44):
and one is the, collective you, know another is this,
entity another is the school. Entity and it's interesting to,
me like looking at how all of it is. Structured
are you really suppor to point and aim your frustration
or YOUR i guess what your demands, are what your

(20:08):
expectations are to be compensated at the team, itself at
the head, coach at at you, know At tennessee or
wherever it is that you're. At because to, me again
it comes back down to with these blurred lines of
what this is all representation of what does nil really?
Represent because at the end of the, day if we're talking,

(20:33):
apples if it's an apples the apples, conversation then you
got to talk about compensating the. Player like you just,
said you're paying based off of what you're generating at
off of THE tv deals and stuff like. That there's
no there's nothing that comes out that like in a
pro contract that talks about, name image and. Likeness you
do that with The Players. Association you sign a group

(20:55):
license and agreement with The Players. Association that's how you
leverage your, name image and. Likeness it's a different entity.
Altogether so the blurred lines that have been created AND
i think that are exposed here in this situation in,
particular there's no reason for them for him to have
taken a hard line stance Like i'm not, Practicing i'm

(21:15):
not coming unless y'all pay me more. Money, sure the
collectives are in contact with the, university and the universities
are in contact with the, collectives and this is a
way for them to be able to compensate the. Players but,
ultimately if we're looking at it for the true essence
of WHAT nil has created as it applies to today right,

(21:36):
now you're you're monetizing your the value of your, name your,
image and your. Likeness so even if it's coming from
a collective in the sense of we're able to pay
them to be a part of our, team but you're
going to DO x amount of, Appearances you're going to do,
signings you're going to do things that support what we're

(21:57):
doing to build this. Program bottom line is is that
there needs to be a separation and there needs to
be an understanding of what the business of what you
are as a player to the university and what you
are as an entity and a. Brand all of it's
all on its own as in a, name your, image
and your. Likeness there needs to be a very clear

(22:20):
understanding and determination of OR i guess not, determination but
description of what each one of those. Represent BECAUSE i
think this right, here this clearly shows that there is
not a separation and and and there's how do you
how do you read in between the lines of where

(22:41):
the collectives and how you're getting compensated for your, name
image and likeness runs and bleeds into who you are
as an athlete and a student at the university that you're.

Speaker 6 (22:51):
At it's such the lion's, share by the, way will
come from the revenue. Share that's where most of the
kids will make the majority of the. Money, now if
the collectives exist and they really feel like they want
a high star kid or you, know a big performer
that transfers or, something they might be able, to you,
know come in there with some sort of whatever package

(23:12):
and marketing or whatever else they want to. Do but
the reality is it should be that they're getting compensated
the most from their school based on the revenue. Share
like that's the. Setup that's how this should work moving.
Forward any other model is not really sustainable and it
doesn't really make sense either when you're thinking about. It you,
know is any other athlete getting paid more from their

(23:34):
marketing deal as opposed to what they're making to actually
play their?

Speaker 7 (23:37):
Sport?

Speaker 5 (23:39):
No Maybe Travis. Hunter Maybe Travis. Hunter, maybe well he,
won't he won't once he's the number two. Overall pick, right, correct, right,
right right. Correct, yeah it's it's, sad. MAN i think it's.
Sad there's a, lot a lot of moving parts to.
It but, hey he found a place to go play
and he's still.

Speaker 3 (23:59):
Going to get some some cash out of the.

Speaker 5 (24:01):
SITUATION i don't you know, Which it's not about the,
cash Right Enjoy Westwood.

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Soon can't get here fast enough with all the make
belief stories that are out. There one guy who, was,
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(25:32):
seems to be having a much better offseason this year
as opposed to last year when it was played out
on hard.

Speaker 3 (25:37):
Knocks But Joe.

Speaker 2 (25:38):
Shane spoke with the media yesterday and not only talked
about the quarterback position as they sit at number, three
but also apparently they're getting some interest from other teams
as well too when it comes to their.

Speaker 9 (25:51):
Pick with the signing of those two, PLAYERS i think
we put our position ourselves in a position where you,
KNOW i don't think that's mandatory or something that we're
in our feet of the we have to. Do you,
KNOW i think the two guys we signed have played
a lot of, Ball they've got a lot of skins
on the, wall AND i do think we've upgraded that,
room you, know compared to where it was a year.
AGO i like the two guys that we, have and you,
Know tommy's still in there and he's won games for us,

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too and we're happy with the makeup of the room right.

Speaker 7 (26:15):
Now we'll be open to all.

Speaker 9 (26:16):
OPTIONS i, mean those those strategy sessions have been ongoing
and you, know talking through different. Scenarios so, yeah well
we're always going to be open to you, know eat
or those.

Speaker 3 (26:25):
SCENARIOS a lot of interests around teams looking to train.

Speaker 9 (26:29):
Up we we've received some.

Speaker 7 (26:30):
Calls, yeah we've received.

Speaker 3 (26:31):
Calls all.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
Right Abdull, carter we Call Abdull carter is a three
to one favorite to be selected number three overall to The.

Speaker 6 (26:41):
Giants so, well that doesn't mean he'll be selected by The.
Giants it just means he's going to go number three.

Speaker 5 (26:47):
Overall, YEAH i think what you said While jonas was
off that he can't respond to because he wasn't here
to hear what you, said.

Speaker 3 (26:56):
Certainly.

Speaker 5 (26:59):
Certainly is more relevant and in today's conversation than it was. Yesterday,
boy professional co signing is always the, best especially.

Speaker 3 (27:11):
When you have, supporters you, know the. League then you
GET q doing what he's doing with your.

Speaker 6 (27:19):
Laughing at it BECAUSE i didn't think he was gonna go.
There and if we really want to be, honest get
out of. There Central cubs really struggled only one of
two versus the.

Speaker 3 (27:29):
Poject you know, what let.

Speaker 7 (27:30):
Me tell you.

Speaker 5 (27:31):
Something you worry, about staying out a way of those
dolphin statues that you walk by that you.

Speaker 3 (27:41):
See all, right, Buddy i'm, Married thank you.

Speaker 5 (27:44):
Exactly, yeah, yeah avoid avoid them breathing, holes them blow.

Speaker 3 (27:52):
Holes.

Speaker 5 (27:52):
Anyway so the Point i'm making here you asked the
question on the, SHOW. Q does this mean they're trying
to drive up the value Of Shador sanders to entice
a team to want won him at three where they
can trade down because they could still possibly get the

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player that they will want without using that three.

Speaker 3 (28:18):
PICK i, think IF i.

Speaker 7 (28:19):
Sit it, CORRECT i actually don't THINK i said any Of.

Speaker 3 (28:21):
Okay, well trade back at least right trade.

Speaker 6 (28:24):
Now my thing was is there might be someone interested
In Abdull carter because they don't have a need For Abdull.

Speaker 7 (28:29):
Carter they've Got Kevon, thibadeau they've Got Brian.

Speaker 3 (28:31):
Burrce so.

Speaker 7 (28:34):
We want to trade back because we feel.

Speaker 6 (28:35):
Like we could still get a quarterback or get someone
else in an, exchange get more draft.

Speaker 5 (28:40):
Cap The, giants that being The giants in this, situation, Right,
Okay SO i think that's more relevant now after hearing
that explanation from THE gm than it ever has. Been,
honestly If i'm If I'm i'm being, Realistic i'm Calling
cap on some of this stuff that's Coming Shadoor sanders,

(29:00):
Way i'm Calling cap on. THAT i think people know
his talent. LEVEL i think they know what he brings
to the. Table but in order to keep people off
balance on what it is that you would really like to,
DO i think things like this happen, sometimes and it
just happens to be a little bit more coverage Towards

(29:20):
Shador sanders than what it would be maybe possibly for
other prospects in years. Past but as it applies to
The New York giants looking at that number three, picky
if they had no other, recourse nobody wants to offer
them what they. Want they can't miss on this. Pick
they really can't miss on this. Pick AND i think

(29:42):
it's just based upon the conversation that we had With
prisco is that they're facing losing their, jobs whether it's THE,
gm whether it's the head, coach and whether they're able
to save themselves or. Not it still seems to be
a pick that may give them some type of ammunition

(30:04):
to be able to make maybe a legitimate argument that
they should be able to retain their jobs and continue
to build this team. OUT i don't know how realistic that,
is but in listening to, this it might be way
better for The New York giants to trade out of
that number three pick and hope that they can get

(30:28):
more draft capital and still be able to get a
player that they would really want with one of the
high draft picks that they would swap out with with
the team that would take that number three.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
Overall because if you got if we're looking at the
top prospects and everyone, says well It's Travis hunter And
Abdul carter and you can swap either one of, those
there's going to be a team who's going to look
at The. Giants If the point, is, listen they don't
Need Abdul. Carter they've already got that position. Addressed that's
going to be willing to give up a significant amount

(30:59):
for one of the top overall prospects in the. Draft
so if You're Joe, shane The giants, like why would you,
like why would you take a? Quarterback why would you
Go if it's too high to take An ashton gent
maybe you could drop back.

Speaker 7 (31:13):
And and and but is?

Speaker 3 (31:14):
It is it too? HIGH i, mean didn't they Take
saquan at number?

Speaker 5 (31:18):
Two?

Speaker 3 (31:20):
Yeah but it was it was a. Hit clearly they
weren't fans of.

Speaker 5 (31:24):
His clearly they made a tremendous, mistake is what they
did That the draft pick was, good.

Speaker 6 (31:30):
Different general, manager, right that Was David. Gettleman and then
you Had Joe shader came in and you know he
didn't prioritize paying that position.

Speaker 7 (31:39):
The same way The eagles.

Speaker 3 (31:40):
DID i, guess, well that didn't look. Good doesn't look.

Speaker 5 (31:44):
Good but it was a. Hit the pick was a.
Hit SO i don't. THINK i don't Feel Ashton genty
should be talked about. More i've said, IT i feel.
It you, Know i've talked about. Him i've been talking
About ashton for at least two or three years.

Speaker 3 (32:02):
Now you know WHAT i.

Speaker 5 (32:03):
Mean i've been really committed to talking about how really
talented this dude. Is i've said to, people we haven't
seen a back like this since you, Know Barry sanders
And Eric dickerson and The Pony. Express and you know,
what and now people want to get on the bandwagon
With Ashton. Genty he's not being. Discussed you, know say

(32:25):
it enough people will think it's. True, right, YEAH i
mean that's what that's the. Point and now WHAT i
said media is for you could shoot it out there
like you really meant. It oh, Yeah i'm shooting this
LIKE i really mean. IT i, MEAN i didn't hear
this from One Braden. QUINN i JUST i just figured
that this is people are starting to catch on To
Ashton genty And i'm here to tell, you seriously, though

(32:45):
that isn't. MINE i am a fan after seeing him,
play AND i do think that it would be interesting
to see him, go you, know in top five picks top, six.

Speaker 3 (32:57):
Which is very. REALISTIC i don't think he gets Past Las.
VEGAS i.

Speaker 5 (33:02):
Don't now the question becomes who would want to make
that trade With New. York who do we think are
the teams that have shown interest that would possibly Want
if It's Abdul carter or if It's Travis hunter that
happened to fall to number, three who would Those do
we have bet notts on who those teams would.

Speaker 3 (33:24):
Be, no But i've got you, Know i've got one
that can make some. Sense oh he's got. One what
do you got The? Bears oh, god it does make
sense now because here's. Why is that because?

Speaker 6 (33:37):
Long is that because the new head coach, made you,
know not Like DeAndre swift quite as? Much, WELL i
MEAN i, think, yeah he doesn't appear to be a huge.
Fan but if it's a deep running back draft class
and you think you could get a running back that
could be quality at the next level later, on maybe

(33:58):
The bears called The. Giants i'm talking from the standpoint
Of Abdul. Carter maybe they call up and, say you
can take the tenth, pick and we've got the thirty
ninth and the forty first pick as well. TOO i,
mean those are three picks in the top forty. Plus
why not if you're that interested or you believe that
you need.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
Help from a pass rushing, standpoint they haven't gotten great
production From Montes, sweat especially last, year and they gave
them a whole bunch of. Money you, know maybe they
could hit up the giants and be, like would you
be willing to drop back to ten or is that
too far to fall out to still get a quality?
Player that's what is?

Speaker 5 (34:36):
It what does it look like if you're in the
top ten to trade a, pick like, say for, instance
the news surfacing on.

Speaker 3 (34:45):
Verybel WANTING.

Speaker 5 (34:46):
Tj watt In New, england that means you want to edge.
Rusher and if you're trying to get A. Tj watt
at the type of dollar that you were trying to
you're going to have to pay to get.

Speaker 3 (34:59):
Them it makes sense to.

Speaker 5 (35:00):
Try to swap out with swap out With New york
at that at that four pick and get somebody.

Speaker 3 (35:07):
Else that, way you'd only drop one pick back and
and then you get you, know you get the.

Speaker 6 (35:13):
Differences the difference is about four hunderd, points which would
essentially be a second round pick if you're looking at
the traffic value. Chart so that's typically what you would
look at and, say it's about fair compensation to be
able to move up or move back one pick that's
that's what you're looking.

Speaker 3 (35:31):
For so what that makes sense or not makes?

Speaker 5 (35:34):
Sense if you're if You're New, england does that make
sense to ensure that, like, say for, instance there's another
team that's like in IN i guess range that wants
to try to slip into that third. Space if If
Travis hunter or more specifically in this particular, moment based
Upon New england showing interest IN Tj, watt would you

(35:57):
try to get that number three pick so that somebody
doesn't swipe it from you if if it were to
fall through WITH Tj watt and trying to get this trade, done,
POSSIBLY i, mean it just seems like it would make.
Sense IF i want a defensive and the edge rusher
of the caliber OR Tj, watt and there's somebody that
could possibly trade up and Take Abdul carter before we get,

(36:18):
them maybe it's, like, okay let's swap this pick so
we can make sure we get Abdul carter at? Three
does that make?

Speaker 3 (36:24):
Sense?

Speaker 5 (36:26):
Yes when was the last time you heard anything about?
Vrabel AND i THINK i read that? Yesterday i'm If
i'm not, mistaken?

Speaker 6 (36:34):
Dude is that fake? NEWS i BELIEVE i read that
though that there was. INTEREST i remember seeing it a while.
BACK i don't remember seeing it. RECENTLY i read it.

Speaker 5 (36:43):
Yesterday, actually that's that's WHY i even brought it up just,
now BECAUSE i WAS i saw a headline where it
was Like vrabel is interested The New England patriots are
interested in possibly BECAUSE i guess it doesn't seem like
the negotiations are going well and Pitts burg. DOESN'T i,
mean from WHAT i, read it doesn't sound like it's

(37:04):
maybe going to get. Done this draft really needs something to.

Speaker 7 (37:09):
Happen we need an.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
Event, well what does it? NEED i don't, LOOK i
don't condone. This i've never personally done. It but if
we could get, somebody like a top pick to smoke,
weed to get out of a gas, MASK.

Speaker 3 (37:22):
I think it would help everybody in. There it make
it that much more.

Speaker 2 (37:25):
Interesting there's not enough, trades there's not enough trade, scenarios
there's not enough positive feedback on. Quarterbacks so and so
is moving uh soaring up the draft. Charts everything's just
negative doom and. Gloom if we could really put a
smile on everybody's face and just get somebody, to you,
know hit the hippie lettuce out of a gas mask on. Videoymore,

(37:48):
okay that's. Fine, listen it worked out well for. Him
he's made one hundred million dollars plus in his. CAREER
i don't even think he has an, Agent Laromie. TONZEL
i think he's represented himself.

Speaker 4 (37:57):
For what is.

Speaker 3 (37:57):
WORTH i, mean we went guy helping him.

Speaker 5 (38:00):
Out we had one of the most, sadly insanely bad
happenings take place based upon the draft this. YEAR i mean,
bad super. BAD i, mean that's, polarizing sad as hell
that it. Happened BUT i mean we did have something
crazy that that is being talked.

Speaker 3 (38:21):
About, yeah, NO i.

Speaker 5 (38:22):
WAS i was kind of hoping we, could, uh you,
know not as deep as, that because that's super deep,
real that's like all the way. Submerged, yeah, Okay i'm just,
saying don't don't you know you're gonna pick and choose
where we're supposed to stop on the.

Speaker 3 (38:35):
SPECTRUM i, mean.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
There's just not a lot Of i'm telling, You, Mat
i've mentioned this. Before brady made the best point a
couple of weeks ago when we talked about it on our.
Show this draft really has no buzz outside of.

Speaker 6 (38:51):
It That's the thing, is it's one of the reasons
why That Sdor sanders is getting so much. BUZZ i,
mean he's a bit of a polarizing. Figure but there's
also the element of this nothing really else around. It
and outside of these, THREE i would say four prospects
outside Of Abdul, Carter Travis, Hunter Will, campbell And Ashton
gent if you're looking at like top overall, prospects there's

(39:14):
a bit of a drop. Off and even With Will,
campbell people have you, know questioned his arm. LENGTH i,
mean outside of Maybe, booker for a lot of the
tackles or at least guys who played tackle in college
in this draft, class a lot of these guys might
get moved inside the guard because of arm. Length i'm
not sure why that. Is i'm not sure if guys
are just popping out being three hundred plus pounds with
short arms, now but something's. Happening but, anyway the general

(39:38):
point is there's just not as much buzz around, it surrounding.
IT i actually think the most fascinating thing to, me
AND i don't know WHY i didn't know, this And
i'm a little disappointed in you two for not knowing.
This do you guys know that The La rams never
invite any of the top thirty prospects in for a.

Speaker 5 (39:56):
VISIT i don't know how you would be disappointed in
me not knowing, that AND i don't because you guys
are out IN la and you guys are a little
bit of like.

Speaker 6 (40:04):
The, Like, hey what's, up, Man let's go TO nobu
over there In malibu do our whole like trendy thing
here in The west?

Speaker 7 (40:12):
Coast what's?

Speaker 3 (40:13):
Up?

Speaker 6 (40:13):
BROLL i learned this because the new general, Manager James
gladstone with The Jacksonville, jaguars who's you know?

Speaker 3 (40:22):
Him and.

Speaker 7 (40:24):
You know the rest of the scouting.

Speaker 6 (40:26):
Staff they've implemented the same exact strategies that The rams would.

Speaker 7 (40:29):
Use and the reason why they.

Speaker 6 (40:31):
Don't invite in, prospects at least the top thirties because
they don't want to tip their hand to any of
their team what they're going to do in the first. Round,
now they still are able to meet with the teams or,
me excuse, me the prospects via. Zoom but that's all, confidential,
Right there's no one really is saying like who The
Jacksonville jaguars are zooming?

Speaker 7 (40:51):
With and when you do those.

Speaker 6 (40:53):
Visits when you bring players, in you know your medical
staff is going to take another look at them after the,
combine for, Example but the combines pretty thorough physical, evaluation
so you don't really need much more unless there might
be a medical, checkup which again THE nfl is going
to handle with a follow up checkup from the combine
for those guys who are still. Injured so they basically

(41:13):
you go in on these, visits you meet some of the,
coaches you sit, down talk, more they test you on,
something you meet maybe some of.

Speaker 7 (41:19):
The, players other people who are out, there but that's really.
It they can't work you.

Speaker 6 (41:23):
Out so the strategy that they're implementing In, jacksonville the
saying that they have with The, rams is something that
kind of fascinates me about this draft THAT i don't
recall ever hearing about in regards to THE, Rams LIKE
i was not aware of, That and, look maybe it doesn't.
MATTER i would feel like from the prospect, perspective not
that you get a choice and who drafts. You BUT

(41:44):
i don't want to go see like the. Facility i'd
want to go meet some of the. Players i'd want
to go get a vibe for the locker room and
the organization and getting a sense of all, that, Right,
like it's kind of weird that from The jaguars perspective
it might be good for them at least in regards
to how they see the first round maybe the top
end of the, Second but for the prospects it doesn't,
help you. KNOW i, mean you're literally getting drafted and

(42:06):
shipped off to a place you've maybe never been to.
Before it's kind of crazy when you think about.

Speaker 2 (42:10):
It maybe they, think if these guys see this, place
they won't want to be, here so let's just keep it,
quiet you, know like if they don't know how messy
the situation.

Speaker 7 (42:18):
Is AND i think The rams isn't The rams stuff? Nice?
NOW i, MEAN i.

Speaker 2 (42:24):
Guess The rams get most of their attention because they
were doing that thing That Cliff kingsbury had that real nice. House,
yeah The, RAMS i guess rent like some beach house
to where they.

Speaker 7 (42:37):
Do is Their manhattan beach or.

Speaker 10 (42:38):
WHATEVER i.

Speaker 2 (42:39):
THINK i think it was In, Malibu And i'm almost
positive there was like A covid outbreak one year and
so they couldn't even like really partake in.

Speaker 3 (42:47):
It it Was Hermosa beachley at Whatever. Malibu, Heumros so
there's water.

Speaker 6 (42:51):
NEARBY i thought it was more of A South, bay you,
know like down were Like lighter And, robstone those boys
are At South bay. BROS i thought it was more
of that area only because they had like a public area.

Speaker 7 (43:02):
To where there's like the fans were. Involved they could
bring through.

Speaker 3 (43:05):
Something ye, yeah.

Speaker 6 (43:08):
Which again you you could do that In, jacksonville like
you could remember that lady you.

Speaker 3 (43:12):
Know oh they interviewed and oh, yeah we we have
that that. Lady uh she should have The iHeart jags.

Speaker 6 (43:21):
Fan H, yeah we're we are. Exforting were going to
take it to the. Limit, yeah she talked about her
beach house that well it's not quite a beach. House
it's well walk from the.

Speaker 3 (43:34):
Beach but, yeah she she's a big Diehard jags.

Speaker 2 (43:38):
Fan we're efforting that that sound by uh, so let's
see we're working behind the scenes, here a little, vamped little,
vamped little.

Speaker 6 (43:47):
Vamp lee's work and don't have it to dance, Dance
jonas we Got john Being i'm being shook. Off we've
got an. OUTDANCE i was calling for fast this And
lisa can just just give thirty. Seconds i'll send it to.

Speaker 7 (44:01):
Him they can turn this.

Speaker 2 (44:01):
Out well, listen ALL i know is this is somebody's
got to do something to spice up this, draft all.

Speaker 3 (44:06):
Right AND i don't know what it's gonna.

Speaker 2 (44:08):
TAKE i don't know if it's gonna, be uh some
sort of, drama some sort of you, know maybe A
CD lamb moment where you, know the girl he's sitting
with tries to grab his phone and he rips it
out of her hand because he looks check your text
message says maybe maybe that wouldn't be a great thing
to have happen here on national. Television but we just
need something here because there's just not a whole lot

(44:30):
of interesting storylines heading into. This So jacksonville not holding
top thirty. VISITS i, mean some would argue they're not
a top thirty.

Speaker 6 (44:39):
Team So i'm just, saying isn't it, Interesting like wouldn't
you wudn't you want to look, at you, know some
of those, prospects like have them come into your, facility
sale they interact with, players maybe take him out to a,
meal see how, that see how that.

Speaker 7 (44:52):
Goes that's going to put the, process like a.

Speaker 6 (44:55):
Zoom interview is drastically different than what it's going to
be like when you actually have to have them in your.

Speaker 2 (45:01):
Facility oh, yeah, listen anybody who's been ahead a dating
app knows, that, like you know what.

Speaker 3 (45:07):
What they what they present filters and. Everything oh, yeah
what they present to. You have you've been single long
enough to have used dating?

Speaker 7 (45:14):
Apps, yeah there was a time of, case it's a.

Speaker 3 (45:17):
Genus there was a time really, yeah you, know and, yeah,
yeah are you sure about?

Speaker 5 (45:23):
That?

Speaker 2 (45:23):
POSITIVE i ain't going? Asked, okay, yeah, positive leave you
where you're, at you, know. Positive there there was a
time but that you, know it's a long time. Ago but,
yeah you, know somebody, says all, right uh, OH i
saw a thumb go? Up all, Right, lee what's the thumb?

Speaker 11 (45:39):
Up?

Speaker 3 (45:39):
Mean what does that?

Speaker 7 (45:40):
Mean on?

Speaker 3 (45:40):
Radio we got?

Speaker 7 (45:41):
Her all?

Speaker 2 (45:42):
Right we got to, say this is A jags fan
who last brush your teeth or last brush tooth.

Speaker 3 (45:48):
In nineteen eighty?

Speaker 2 (45:49):
Eight who's Diehards jags. Fan let's let's take a. Listen furst.

Speaker 3 (45:53):
Picks they say they have the best draft in the ENTIRE.

Speaker 1 (45:56):
Nfl are you surprised to hear?

Speaker 11 (45:57):
That certainly not the First we took it to the,
limit AND i was In miami with my new beach. House,
well it was a couple of minutes from the.

Speaker 1 (46:07):
Beach it's been twenty years since. Then we haven't been
too strong in the last few.

Speaker 7 (46:11):
Years, oh we've been.

Speaker 11 (46:12):
Strong we're just playing by the. Rules you can't have
a newcomer come in and steal a.

Speaker 4 (46:19):
Show.

Speaker 3 (46:20):
Thanks, honestly sounded like a.

Speaker 7 (46:27):
Cigarettes, yeah sounded like a.

Speaker 3 (46:31):
Yeah white paper, surgery just have a cart In. Hurst
these as funny as, hell. THOUGH i loved.

Speaker 5 (46:36):
It, well you can't have someone new the rules steal the,
show all, Right, well clearly this draft is not very.
Interesting there aren't very many interesting.

Speaker 2 (46:52):
Storyline, yes so you're saying that's why they don't have
Any top thirty.

Speaker 3 (46:55):
Visits they don't want to see her at the. FACILITY i.

Speaker 6 (46:59):
See one of THE pff guys was saying on one
of their, podcasts he would take Arch manning right now
as the As he'd rather take him right, now and
he's only played about hundred snaps and had a couple of.

Speaker 7 (47:10):
Starts he would take him right now over any quarterback
in this.

Speaker 6 (47:12):
Draft which it sheds a little bit of light on
the fact that the quarterbacks typically drive the interest in.

Speaker 7 (47:21):
Drafts it's just the reality of. It and this year
is not, viewed as you, know as deep of.

Speaker 6 (47:27):
A draft class at the quarterback. Position next year will
be an entirely different. Story next year will be a
draft class that is gonna be set up with again
probably four guys taking the first, round maybe five, more
similar to last.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
Year and then it was this, year, well, listen we
can only, hope we can only hope we get something.

Speaker 3 (47:47):
Spicy but until, then at least we got our. Jacks
what would that be?

Speaker 2 (47:50):
THOUGH i don't, know, man, LISTEN i through. That, look
we've already had somebody do, it you, know gas mask
whatever you. Want that was, like by the, way wasn't
that gas mask before?

Speaker 3 (48:00):
VAPES i think it was really ahead of his time
if you think about.

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Albert BREER, ab what's.

Speaker 3 (48:56):
Happening good morning to, You? Albert what's?

Speaker 4 (48:58):
Up? Guys how we doing all?

Speaker 2 (49:00):
Right have you gotten any pushback or flak regarding your
article that you wrote about in your piece about your
Door sanders from earlier this?

Speaker 4 (49:11):
Week not?

Speaker 10 (49:14):
Much, NO i MEAN i, think, uh you, KNOW i
think when you write the truth, it you, KNOW i
think you're. Okay SO i haven't gotten any major pushback
on WHAT i wrote about him.

Speaker 3 (49:25):
Now so The sanders camp hasn't come after, you and, uh.

Speaker 10 (49:29):
Well, yeah, NO i MEAN i think BUT i THINK
i think they're starting to, realize like they're starting to
realize what is real.

Speaker 4 (49:38):
And what's not.

Speaker 10 (49:39):
Here AND i do Think like, AGAIN i said this
to you guys for over a. MONTH i think right like,
THAT I i don't think LIKE i don't think.

Speaker 4 (49:48):
That a lot of the league views him as a
first round.

Speaker 10 (49:50):
Talent And i'm not telling you that that that means
he's not gonna wind up having a GREAT nfl career
and be a top ten quarterback all.

Speaker 4 (49:59):
That LIKE, I i don't, know you, KNOW i don't
know what this is going to. Become WHAT i can
tell you is what is right.

Speaker 10 (50:04):
Now and what is right now is a lot of
these teams look at it and SAY i WOULDN'T i
wouldn't take them.

Speaker 4 (50:09):
In the first round even IF i needed a.

Speaker 10 (50:10):
Quarterback so a lot like Bon nick's last, YEAR i
think this is going to come down to some team
seeing them as a fit more so than other teams.

Speaker 6 (50:19):
Would, okay that being, said, though and you've done this
for a long, time how many, prospects, though get pushed
up into the first? Round LIKE i find it hilarious
that there's always like fifty guys who are going to
be first round, picks at least based on what the
agents are telling, them, Right and in, reality most teams
probably don't have thirty two first round grades on all

(50:40):
the prospects they end up drafting them the first round
that they don't have a first round grade on. Them
so If Shador sanders has looked at in some people's
minds as the number two, quarterback you know how many
quarterbacks then at this point even have a first round?
Right is it Just Cam woard at this? Point and
then how many players in general are do you think
are really have first round grades that teams are, saying,

(51:04):
yeah but you know they don't have round game we're take.

Speaker 3 (51:06):
In the first.

Speaker 10 (51:07):
Round, no it's a good, Point, Brady LIKE i think
this is this year that numbers, low you know WHAT i?
Mean like and even in a great, year you guys know,
this like the the number might be twenty twenty, two twenty, four,
Right LIKE i think this year that number is probably
closer to like twelve or thirteen for some teams like
where and look like some of it is like you,
know like they're gonna different teams go to look at

(51:29):
different guys different, ways so they're not going to come
off to see the board the same. Way there's not
the consensus that people think there. Is like after you
get past the first couple of. Guys you, know like
there's going to be disagreement from team to team based on,
fit based on like what your doctors, say based.

Speaker 4 (51:44):
On all of those. Things, Right so.

Speaker 10 (51:47):
So, yeah like that, number that number is, low and
quarterbacks get pushed in the first round more than any other.
Positions so that's definitely something you have to take into account,
here is that teams get desperate and it's the most
important position on the. Field and you, know like in
some cases owners can get involved saying like we have
to come away with a, quarterback come hell or high,

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water you, know and it's how you, know it's How
Christian ponder winds up going twelfth, overall let's pick on.

Speaker 4 (52:13):
Him it's HOW.

Speaker 10 (52:14):
Ej manuel winds up going sixteenth.

Speaker 4 (52:16):
Overall you, KNOW i think you'd argue it is.

Speaker 10 (52:18):
How Kenny pickett went in the first round a couple
of years.

Speaker 4 (52:20):
Ago you.

Speaker 10 (52:21):
Know it's, like if you're pre determining that we have
to take a quarterback in a certain, year, well that
doesn't automatically mean there's going to be one worthy of
going where you're, picking you, know but sometimes sometimes teams
will look at it and, say you know, what like
we need to take care of this once and for all,
now And i'd argue that's often when the mistakes are.

Speaker 5 (52:41):
Made with all that being, Said, abe they did bring
in three quarterbacks to work out In New?

Speaker 3 (52:47):
York is THAT i? Mean is that? Posturing is?

Speaker 11 (52:51):
That?

Speaker 3 (52:52):
Yeah, okay let me.

Speaker 10 (52:53):
Know SO i would tell, You, LeVar i think this
goes back to the, fall, right, like and one THING
i think that was very very, clear like starting in
the fall was how much work.

Speaker 4 (53:02):
The giants were going to do on. Quarterbacks and they did.

Speaker 10 (53:04):
A, ton and so they got you, KNOW i, know people, said,
oh they were around you do her a lot in the.
Fall they were around all these guys a lot in the.
Fall SO i mean there are even a few guys
that didn't come out that were in that. Category Drew
aller At Penn state And Garrett nusmeyer you know AT,
lsu And Carson beck At georgia.

Speaker 4 (53:22):
And now At.

Speaker 10 (53:23):
Miami like they were around those guys a ton during
the fall because they knew quarterback was going to be
need for them and they wanted to really dive in
and get to know the class really. Well so like
this is the last piece of. That AND i think
they will take a quarterback, somewhere BUT i don't think
that the likelihood right now is they take a third.
Overall they did work Out Jackson dart about a month.

(53:43):
Ago they worked them out in Mid, march so like
that was the first the private workhouse they. Did and you,
know now they're getting these three done here at the
end and being what to do her, Today Jalen Miller
roe tomorrow.

Speaker 4 (53:58):
And Tyler shuck On.

Speaker 10 (54:00):
Saturday SO i mean they've run the gamut with all
of these, guys and you, KNOW i think reading into
it is like this is like a new level of
interest or this is like some sort of renewed, interest
LIKE i think as much as anything.

Speaker 4 (54:12):
Else and this is you, know SOMETHING i wrote the other.

Speaker 10 (54:14):
Day this Is John mara basically saying to this, guys,
like if we're going to pass on the quarterback at, three,
like let's make sure we know what we're passing. ON i,
mean you may remember seven years ago they didn't make
a mistake Taking Saquon barkley second, overall But Josh allen
was under consideration, there you, know and and so you

(54:35):
know they wind up passing.

Speaker 4 (54:36):
On On Josh allen at that.

Speaker 10 (54:38):
Point and you, KNOW i think part of it for
the for the for the maras you know, again is,
well you, know if we're if we're not taking a
quarterback of three with this crying need we have with
this pick that we, have then we need to be
damn sure we know these guys inside now before we do.

Speaker 6 (54:53):
It.

Speaker 2 (54:54):
Albert as far as The giants, go because we were
talking about that, earlier is what's the potential of, them you,
know maybe moving back out of the pick if they
don't have a need for an edge rusher like An Abdull,
carter maybe there's a team that desperately wants him or
is interested in that as being their. Pick so have
you heard any teams specifically that have, called or any

(55:14):
teams to keep an eye on that could potentially be.

Speaker 4 (55:17):
Moving, YEAH i don't know that anybody's.

Speaker 10 (55:19):
COMING i, MEAN i think IT'S i think it's hard
logistically this year because you can take the draft value
chart and throw it out this. Year the reason why
at leayst at the very top of the. Draft the
reason why is because After hunter And, carter there's this feeling.

Speaker 4 (55:34):
That the picks you've been making.

Speaker 10 (55:36):
There whether It's Will campbell Or Jalen walker Or Mason
graham or any of these, Guys Tyler, Warren ashton gent
like a lot of those guys would probably be picked
fifteenth or twentieth last, year right, Like so, like if
you're the giants Are, Browns you're looking at it and
you're there two and three with two guys on the
board that are legitimate blue chip, guys and you're, saying all, right,

(55:58):
well if we're gonna move out here, year going.

Speaker 4 (56:01):
Down to six this year would be like going down
to twenty last.

Speaker 10 (56:04):
Year and if that's the, case, well then, like aren't
you gonna ask for more from those? Teams and are
those teams willing to pay that premium to come and move?
OFF i think that complication thing is quite a BAD.

Speaker 5 (56:18):
I would Ask. MOTT i guess maybe not my final,
question But i'm curious ABOUT i made the point, Earlier,
abea you know The New England patriots are and let
me know If i'm accurate or. OFF i didn't know
IF i was off or. Not but it sounds Like
Mike vrabel was interested IN. Tj watt because negotiations aren't

(56:41):
going very well In. Pittsburgh if that is the, case
well what does this mean for possibly making a move
and you're at, Four but would you think that there's
the possibility that they would try to maybe swap out
with The giants to maybe get out dual car if
they don't get a T j ON i mean hearing

(57:03):
that they WANT tj what would come across to me
as you are placing a very very high priority on
the idea of that, position, correct?

Speaker 4 (57:13):
Right?

Speaker 10 (57:13):
Right, so LIKE i Think Jalen walker is somebody to
be in the mix for them to at, for you,
Know and and it's you're juxtaposing that against like what
they the crying need they have for a, tackle right
like an help protect their young. Quarterbacks so you, know
whether that's you, Know Will campbell or Arm On menbu.

Speaker 4 (57:31):
Or Kelvin banks, whatever you.

Speaker 10 (57:32):
Know LIKE I i think that that's sort of the
internal debate you're talking about that's probably happening there. NOW
i don't know they would give. UP i mean they
JUST i think the problem for them is they just
have too many needs to be giving up a ton
of capital to go up a.

Speaker 4 (57:50):
Spot and you, know.

Speaker 10 (57:52):
If they were to, say give up both their third
round picks to go up a, spot well then you
know that's where the strength of this year's draft is
AND i think that complicated a little bit. Too is
like most teams look at it and, say, okay like you,
know one to twenty isn't as strong as it usually,
is but like twenty to seventy is pretty, good you.

Speaker 4 (58:11):
Know and so if you have if you have a
good amount of, capital you.

Speaker 10 (58:15):
Know there on on On friday the draft they're in
around two and, three feel pretty good about. That so
do you want to give up that capital to fill you,
know the number of means that you have on the
roster to jump one? SPOT i think it's a fair
question to, ask you.

Speaker 4 (58:30):
Know and then like what, again what does it take
The giants to move.

Speaker 10 (58:33):
Down from from from you, know taking from Taking Abdul
carter at three to maybe take like Save Mason graham at?

Speaker 4 (58:42):
Four like how do they view? THAT i think all
of that's part of the, Equation.

Speaker 7 (58:47):
ALBERT i want to ask you About Tyler.

Speaker 6 (58:48):
Shuck it seems like he's gotten a lot of positive
momentum Since dinnersina came out and says she had ONE
nfl head coach who said he they like him best
of any of these. Quarterbacks is he that surprise guy
that could end up going in the first round What i'm.

Speaker 10 (59:02):
Talking, About, YEAH i MEAN i think HE'S i don't
think it's crazy to think like he could like somebody
could trade into the bottom of the first. Round LIKE i,
think like all these, guys like there's just like a
wide range of outcomes for all of. Them like WHERE
i could See shuck going into the first, ROUND i
could see him sliding.

Speaker 4 (59:22):
A little in the second, round you, know LIKE I
and he's he's.

Speaker 10 (59:26):
A fascinating one because he's got a lot of things
some of these other, guys, don't you know WHAT i.
Mean he's got the, size he's got a big, arm you,
know he's a he's a good. Athlete he ran four,
SIX i, believe, Right like, so like he's got a
lot of the things you, like but he's going to
be twenty. Six he's got the classical. Injury you, know
he's had trouble staying in the.

Speaker 4 (59:45):
Field over the.

Speaker 10 (59:46):
Years so LIKE i think with each of these, guys
there's something you got to kind of wrap your head,
around you, know and like, okay like what AM i
okay working? With and the medical is going to be
a big piece of it for For Tyler, shuck AND
i think the the fact that he's a little older
is something you have to you have to be comfortable with. Too,
ULTIMATELY i THINK i Think cleveland would be an interesting

(01:00:07):
team for. Him and they're picking right there at the
top of the second, round so you, know we'll see
where that. Goes BUT i think he'd probably be right
in that, range LIKE, i you, know i'd Be i'd
be surprised to me if he goes in the first,
round BUT i certainly you, THINK i don't think that's
off the, table AND i think he's you, know, LIKE
i think he probably goes somewhere in the second.

Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
Round Albert brier joining us here on The Dan Patrick.
Show you can get him on x At Albert. Brier
what's the real story Behind Derek carr's.

Speaker 4 (01:00:36):
Injury, yeah there's a lot.

Speaker 10 (01:00:38):
THERE i, mean the injury is two years, old so
that's something to consider, certainly.

Speaker 4 (01:00:46):
You, know so like you have that and then you
know on top of, it LIKE i you, know there was.

Speaker 10 (01:00:52):
One point in the off season when he was looking
for a market correction to this. Contract you, know then
then you, know does he want to be? Traded that
words sort of circul editor around the league in Early.

Speaker 4 (01:01:03):
March then.

Speaker 10 (01:01:05):
You, know like then they do the conversion on his,
contract WHICH i mean they didn't have they didn't need
to seek permission for, That like they had the automatic
conversion in the, contract so they weren't able to do that.
Unilaterally but they still they didn't really work with him on,
it and so like they just go and do, that
which basically locks him into.

Speaker 4 (01:01:24):
The team for this.

Speaker 10 (01:01:25):
Year and now you hear like this injury thing all
of a, sudden there is an. Issue there's just there's
a lot going on, THERE i would, say and there's
a lot to sort through for for for For Derek
carr and The. Saints AND i don't know the way this,
ends but it certainly had a layer to to where
they're at going into the, draft what they might do
with the nine overall, tick what they might do on

(01:01:46):
The friday of the.

Speaker 4 (01:01:46):
Draft, YEAH i think they.

Speaker 10 (01:01:49):
Were they were they were looking pretty heavily at quarterbacks
to begin. With it'll be interesting to see if it
affects their approach when they get to the actual.

Speaker 5 (01:01:56):
Draft you mention early are going at the draft And
i'm passing On, alan what what's your. Take i've been
telling the whole entire world for so, long and And
i've just been ringing the bell and and just trying
to holler from every mountaintop THAT i can About Ashton
genty and and his his.

Speaker 3 (01:02:17):
Talent and, No i'm. JOKING i take it up up
to messing With. Brady.

Speaker 5 (01:02:25):
Uh brady has actually been telling people how Great Ashton
genty has been before he became maybe more so of
a household, name how should we be looking at you,
know where he's, at and how set up for this year's.

Speaker 10 (01:02:40):
Draft i've ACTUALLY i tried to ask people my, conversations
like how does he match up with the guys that
have gone in that range at that position in recent?
Years so say Kwan Zeke, elliott you, Know Leonard, Fournette christian,
McCaffrey there are very many of, them you, Know Jon,
robber and so there are.

Speaker 4 (01:03:01):
Very many guys that have gone in that.

Speaker 10 (01:03:02):
Range AND i the Feedback i've got is like he's
maybe like a slight notch below that group of, guys you,
know but he's a really really good.

Speaker 4 (01:03:12):
Player and because he's so clean.

Speaker 10 (01:03:14):
Character, wise like you have like a really good idea
of what you're going to get with, him, Right so
is it gonna be the best back in? FOOTBALL i don't,
know you, know BECAUSE i think all those GUYS i,
mentioned like we're seeing as, like, okay like there's got
a potential to be the best player. Disposition but he's
a damn good, player AND i think like where he
goes just sort of depends on how you approach that

(01:03:34):
position in. GENERAL i think this this relates To Tyler
warren to some, degree to where you, know just a
really good player and you, know like it's it's kind
of you, know going to come down to team's comfort
level with you, know spending top ten picks on those.

Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
Positions maybe does it feel like this draft is lacking
a little uh little.

Speaker 10 (01:03:54):
Buzz i'll tell you what if she do or starts, sliding.

Speaker 3 (01:03:57):
It Won't, okay that's what we're holding.

Speaker 10 (01:04:00):
On, YEAH i, mean LIKE i think you're, Right like last,
year if you, remember like the sexy positions were all were, loaded,
right like you had, quarterbacks you had, RECEIVERS i mean
it was it was and and and even if like
you're talking about just premium positions in, general with the
offensive tackles that were, THERE i mean last year was

(01:04:21):
one of those years where it was, like if you
need help at a premium.

Speaker 4 (01:04:25):
Spot you can get.

Speaker 10 (01:04:25):
It it was a GOOD tv, DRAFT i would, say you,
know like with the three quarterbacks of the top six
in the top twelve and then you Know Marvin, Harrison
Elik neighbors And Roma dunze there in the top. Ten
this draft is not that. Way so this draft.

Speaker 4 (01:04:41):
Doesn't have that sort of star.

Speaker 10 (01:04:42):
Power you're gonna have offensive line and you're gonna, have you,
know defensive, line AND i think pretty heavy in the
first twenty picks or. So so, LOOK i think this
draft's going to be about. Storylines and one of the
storylines is what happens was Shad OR i think IT'S
i think one thing that is cool about is Because
i'd say it flattens out after the first two, guys

(01:05:04):
like After hunter And, carter you're going to kind of
get to a point WHERE i think it's gonna be pretty,
unpredictable and so there could be some curve balls and
certain guys going ahead of other guys BECAUSE i think
it is sort of, flat like once you.

Speaker 4 (01:05:16):
Get past those two.

Speaker 10 (01:05:18):
Guys So i'll enjoy, it But i'll enjoy, it BUT
i can understand where it would be lacking a little
bit like the drive by.

Speaker 6 (01:05:23):
Fans, albert did you say you felt like there was
gonna be a lot of trades or maybe not a
lot of.

Speaker 7 (01:05:28):
TRADES i couldn't remember when we talked to you a
couple weeks.

Speaker 4 (01:05:31):
Ago, YEAH i don't think there'll be a lot at the.
TOP i think you get in the back half of
the first.

Speaker 10 (01:05:35):
ROUND i think that DYNAMIC i had Mentioned brady about
how like if you're, again if you're valuing this year's
fifteenth tick like you would last year's fifth, pick or
the other way, around if you if you if you
value this year since the pick like you would last
year's fifteen, sick THEN i think that logistically makes it
difficult to move in the first. Round AND i do

(01:05:55):
think it's like you like view say you view Like
Will campbell and Arm on Membo, is or you View
Jalen walker And Michael williams And Shamar stewart like there's
not a huge, difference like Or Will johnson And Jai. Baron,
well then, like what's going to motivate you to move?

Speaker 4 (01:06:11):
Up LIKE i think the motivation to move up is
like when the.

Speaker 10 (01:06:14):
Supply in those spots maybe starts to throw and dry a,
little and that's later in the first. Round So i'd,
say like the first half of the first ROUND i
think will be relatively, static and then we get the
back half of the, round things.

Speaker 4 (01:06:25):
Change a little.

Speaker 6 (01:06:26):
Bit so so real quick on that, Note, typically when
there's these different draft, classes you've always, said and this
used to be around the, combine we'd bump into each.
Other teams would be like salivating over a guy in
like the next year's, draft sometimes at a certain. Position
and obviously this quarterback class is viewed as one that's
that's weaker in compared to last. Year is there a

(01:06:47):
sense of that With Arch? Manning like is there a
sense around THE nfl in league that, like if he
does what everyone thinks he's going to do this, year
that he would leave and he, would without a doubt
be one of those generational prospects because THE nfl has
seen the store twice before or maybe three, times including the,
brothers but through generations of The manning's working.

Speaker 10 (01:07:05):
Out, YEAH i, MEAN i can't wait to see what.
HAPPENED i don't know that anybody can speak to it
with a lot of like certainty at this point, me
gause hee, talent, Right, like BUT i don't, Know, brady
what do you? Think LIKE i look at it like
he had his two starts were against inferior, opponents wasn't?
It it was against like a directional school and like
a or was?

Speaker 4 (01:07:24):
IT i can't, remember but it was against the.

Speaker 10 (01:07:26):
Directional SCHOOL i think in The Mississippi state who was
we didn't want a game in THE. Sec, so, Like
i'm not saying that to knock, him but it's, just you,
know like you still haven't seen.

Speaker 4 (01:07:35):
Enough like and if if his name.

Speaker 10 (01:07:37):
Were you, know if his last name Were, smith, LIKE
i think we'd probably be looking at him And texas
fans would be super excited because of what he is.
Physically BUT i don't think we'd be talking about him
like he's gonna be the first tick in the, draft you.

Speaker 4 (01:07:48):
Know so so two.

Speaker 6 (01:07:49):
Things he obviously bigger than quin you weres and obviously
yours was dealing with some sort of injury what have.
You but even when yours was, healthy stronger, arm better.
Athlete AND i think that's going to translate In sarkisian
system of a big year in, particular what week one
they played some some Big. SCHOOL i think if it
shows out week, one this upcoming season will set the

(01:08:09):
time for the rest of.

Speaker 4 (01:08:10):
It, Right, well, yeah AND i agree with. That like
here's WHERE i would say, though like just looking.

Speaker 6 (01:08:14):
At the, Fan so you're, saying if he beats down
who they play week one like it like here comes
the hype.

Speaker 7 (01:08:19):
Train is that what you're?

Speaker 10 (01:08:20):
Saying, yeah if he if he shows out in week, One,
yeah that the hype train can leave the.

Speaker 4 (01:08:25):
STATION i would say.

Speaker 10 (01:08:26):
This SO i THINK i Think Cooper manning has done
an incredible, job like from WHAT i can see at
least managing like his helping helping to manage his, sons
like like you, know his playing. CAREER i don't, Know
LIKE i don't know why anybody gets will get the
idea that it's automatic that that he's going to come
out if he has a great.

Speaker 4 (01:08:45):
YEAR i, mean if you look at, It.

Speaker 10 (01:08:47):
Peyton, Stayed eli stayed.

Speaker 4 (01:08:49):
When they were in, school you, Know Arch manning in
a spot when a lot.

Speaker 10 (01:08:54):
Of guys would have Left, texas he stayed and stuck
it out and sat for two. Years and then there's
a lot like there's a lot of evidence that what
is the MARKET.

Speaker 4 (01:09:02):
I think it's like twenty five starts in.

Speaker 10 (01:09:04):
College like there's a big difference when you're talking about
it being a predictor for success in the. Pros like
generally guys who start a lot of games in college
have a bit of have an advantage over guys that.
Don't so LIKE i would just look at, it LIKE i,
mean like everything we know about The manning, family it
tells us like they're not Gonna they're not going to

(01:09:26):
just chase money or a certain draft position if it's
there for, Them LIKE I i don't, know it just
it feels to me like it's a lot more likely
that he's going to spend at least two years as
the starting quarterback At.

Speaker 4 (01:09:37):
TEXAS i might be, wrong but but but it just
it at least feels that way to me.

Speaker 10 (01:09:41):
Now and you, KNOW i, again LIKE i, mean we
talked about next year's.

Speaker 4 (01:09:45):
CLASS i think there are.

Speaker 10 (01:09:46):
Some guys look at throughout Or Kent, State Garrett nathmeyer AT,
Lsu Leonora's sellers At South. CAROLINA i JUST i don't.
KNOW i don't know that it'd be so fast About
Arch manning and that class base and what we know
about how his family's handled these into the.

Speaker 7 (01:09:59):
Past but again week.

Speaker 6 (01:10:00):
One if he if he just blows out that upon
A week, one especially on the, road you know you
have a good good.

Speaker 10 (01:10:07):
Sense that you're willing your willingness to.

Speaker 4 (01:10:11):
Happen, now, hu you really just do you?

Speaker 7 (01:10:13):
Know do you happen to know Who texas Plays week
one next?

Speaker 3 (01:10:15):
YEAR i?

Speaker 4 (01:10:17):
DO i? DO i MEAN i heard there's another.

Speaker 10 (01:10:20):
Highly scouted quarterback that might be playing that by the
name Of julian saying you might.

Speaker 3 (01:10:23):
Want To i'm just on the same page, Here i'm sar, sure,
Huh i'm sure on the same.

Speaker 10 (01:10:29):
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Speaker 3 (01:11:00):
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Speaker 4 (01:11:01):
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