April 18, 2025 • 40 mins
Brian Noe & Geoff Schwartz are in for the guys and talk about the retirement of broadcaster Lee Corso, Aaron Rodgers revealing what when down between him and the Jets, next week's headlines, and much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the best of two pros and a couple
Joe with Lamar arings Rady Quinn and Jonas Knox on
Fox Worts Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Good morning to you, Jeff Schwartz. Of course, how about
a legend about to step away? That would be Lee Corso. So,
after thirty eight years, he is going to be retiring
from ESPN's College Game Day. His final appearance will be
on August thirtieth. That'll be the last show he does,
(00:33):
and then he rides off into the sunset. What a career, though, dude.
We're talking four decades over here and universally loved. It's
been a great run for Corso. He is one of
a kind. He's kind of like, you can't replace Charles
Barkley on TV. You can't replace Lee Corso on TV either.
There's just one guy.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Yeah, Good morning, Brian, Good morning everyone. And you know
they're trying obviously to do that with with one of
the new hosts there. The thing about Corso that stood
out through all the years, and that thing is important
to discuss, is he loved ball, Brian, like it came
through so much. He loved ball and he had fun
(01:14):
with football, right, and those things sometimes I didn't get
lost when you cover the sport, right, like football, playing
sports is fun, okay, Like I have young kids. We
played in DNA time all the time. Yeah, wins and losses. Yeah,
you want to win, you want to you want to
play well. But like, did you have fun today? You know,
did you enjoy playing sports? Because sports should be fun
(01:36):
And Lee Corso made covering an intense sport. Football is intense, right,
It's violent, it's physical, it matters to a lot of
people in this country, and he made it fun. Men.
And and I I I work for ESPN's rival coming
over for Fox Sports. I've switched over to watch Big
(01:59):
New Kickoff. I mean I like the show. I know
people on the show, working people on the show, And
I still don't make my way over and maybe take
a peek at the head gear that Lee cours Will
puts them every week, like you know, like it is
a lot of fun, right, And I think even for
a guy like myself, an organ guy, and I know
you're under name guy, like he enjoyed putting on the organ,
(02:19):
uh you know, duckhead. He enjoyed dressing up like the
mascot for the Irish, like those things as fans sucked
you in, right like I didn't. I'm I don't. Lee
Corso is talking about offense. I don't care. He is
fun man like they have other people in the show.
I think the roles in that show. Brian, you know,
Herbie is the football analytics guy, right, you know the
(02:41):
film breakdown guy and my analytics is probably the wrong word,
the film breakdown guy, right, Deston Howard sort of in between.
And then you have Corso, who just is there a
talk ball man, just have fun talking ball and he
will be far missed. There's nothing you cannot replace him.
There's I know they're what they're trying to do right now.
I don't think that's a replacement for Lee Corso. I
(03:05):
get the po of Mackafee, and I get like why
he's there. His energy is fantastic, but he's a showman,
right like he's a WWE guy, right, he enjoys that.
That's not what Corso was. So, man, what what a
run for Corso? And looking I think also to like,
when you leave something after that long, you would like
(03:26):
the people that you worked with to say the things
they've said the last couple of days. Right. Fouler put
out of video yesterday. Herbie put out the video yesterday
there Herbie was in tears nearly right, like, yeah, so
legendary run. I imagine what they're probably in Texas, Ohio
state to open the season, and that's week one, and
that would be uh week one this year in Texa,
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Ohio state.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
That right, let me see real fast.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
But you know, so I'm curious actually where he goes
because I know the Irish don't take host Miami week one. Yeah, yeah,
I feel like that that could be all put on
the Irish, you know, the the mascot suit one more time.
But that's the thing. It's like, dude, I can't just
not like the just the fun. Like, yeah, he says
(04:11):
things sometimes that weren't politically correct. He called that one
kid a midge at one time. Sure, I'm not great.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
When he was grabbing headgear one time, he was like
f it, like give me this other head gear and
it's like Lee.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Great, but like Brian great, like enjoy it, enjoy like
ball's fun then, And so what a legend hopefully gets,
he'll get a proper send off. It's gonna be an
emotional show and uh, you know it is a building, right,
we've seen his his health decline over the years. He's
ninety years old. Man, she says fine. Around the country,
(04:47):
the show is physically.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Taxing for college game day. Man, he was absolutely made
for that show, and it's he'll be missed, there's no
doubt about that. But I didn't think about that too.
They're probably betting odds, but like what head gear? What
is going to dress up at? Like which school to
close the close it down right, I didn't even think
about that aspect.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Now, curious what I'm curious actually what they do? You know,
they could do. You know, sometimes they just go to
a random place because it fits, like what the theenis.
But week won you know, college football this year we
have some some good matchups and so I do like
that about the sport now that that we have a
little bit, you know, because the playoffs twelve games, we
get some of these good non conference games early the
season because people don't care anymore, you know, you.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Know, think about this too, though, Jeff, You're right. So
August thirtieth, it is Ohio State hosting Texas. Yeah, and
this was the very first head gear that he put on.
He chose Ohio State, so it was like I forget
like ninety three or something like that. It was a
long time ago obviously, but it was because Kirk Krbstreet's
(05:51):
wife had access to like Brutus's head you know, like
the head gear or whatever. Like That's how it started.
And he put it on after because Herbie he chose
Ohio State to win the game, like twenty four to
thirteen or something, and then Lee Corso sort of doubled
down and put the head gear on and everyone just
(06:12):
laughed and they were like, this kind of works, This
could be a thing, and that he had like four
hundred in some games putting on headgear after that, But
that's where it began and that's where it could end also,
based in putting on the Brutus head gear, that's probably
the way it's going to go.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Here, it is. I pulled the graphic right now, mate,
com here's be a little bit slow. Okay, four hundred
and thirty mascot headgear picks of all time. He picked
sixty nine different teams. If you were to guess that
the most headgear selections by team, the top five, I
think number one's pretty easy.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
But he was huge on Notre Dame. I know they've
got to be in the top.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
The top five.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
They're not in the top five.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Wow, so Ohio states one, Bama's two.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Okay, so a house.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
It's forty five selections, which is insane. I mean that's
a good they've been right forty five times. I'll be
in the thirty eight, LSU twenty five, Flourid to twenty two,
Oregon twenty one. He loved Orgon did Wow. Yeah, they're
new to the scene. Like this is yeah, you know
how about this which team as multiple picks and no losses?
(07:18):
There's three of them, but there's one team that he's
picked seventeen times without a loss seventeen Wow.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
I don't know. I really don't know what the answer
to that would be.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
The USC Trojans.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Wow, he's undefeated with sc.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Now that was probably like us, he didn't you know,
you know, there's Pee Carroll teams. By the way, I've
been another show used to do we if you Lendell
White often and what a character. But he said something
that I actually thought was not even accurate, but I
looked it up and he's right. Of course, the USC
didn't most a football game for nearly three years, right, Yeah, yeah,
(07:55):
like with the Pee Carroll, which is kind of like
you think about, You're like, what three years I mean,
and they like lost I think early two thousand and
three and then didn't lose again until the Texas game
at the end of the five season, So he probably
went to seven of those games. I mean, he just
he's been able to pick the USC eight here during
that time, so man four hundred and thirty mascot had
(08:19):
gear picks. So I love how they put his record
on here like it like it actually means anything. He
took the home team every time basically.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
But that's the other thing too, is you think about
how negative things are now, right you think of social media.
You just take a peek at social media and you're like,
that's negative. That's really negative. That's disturbingly negative. Oh yeah,
And I don't think it ever got that way with
Corso he's kind of like a safe space, you know
what I mean, Like you just didn't have people in
(08:49):
bulk talking trash about him, which I love. And listen,
he had a stroke in two thousand and nine and
it affected the way that he spoke, and the last
six sixteen years he's kept on going on, and I
just I really like that he's gotten his flowers the
way he has because he's been huge for the game.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Yeah, and I think that to your point about negativity,
Like you know, I search social media when something big happens,
like there's there's there's nothing man, and and there's nothing,
there's there's no there's just no negativity. I mean, yeah, again,
did he say things sometimes that weren't politically correct, Sure,
(09:30):
but he's ninety years old, so I mean that's that
happens when you get to a certain age. But again,
the dude, what you just I remember just all the
things about Oregon when when game day showed up. I mean,
how big as a student, as a player, how big
it was when game day came to your campus and
(09:51):
you sit there and you typically had a later games
you're able to watch in the hotel room we'd all have,
we'd all have the show on, we'd all to see
his head gear pick and it just was cool man
to see like a national TV little old Organ. I remember, guys,
Organ's good now, but when I was there, we were
(10:12):
just starting to get good, and we weren't good for
one hundred years before that, So like it got people
pretendly Organ it's been good. Organ has been good for
like twenty five years. That's it. And that was mostly
when it's you know that it's starting about two thousand, right,
Organ didn't win their first Bowl game to like nineteen
eighty nine. Brian. I think people the amount of Bowl
games Organ played between the beginning of the program in
nineteen ninety four, it was like ten, that was it.
(10:33):
That was it. Ten bowl games. We've obviously played in
like twenty five since then. So you know, like seeing
Organ man in two thousand and four, twousand and five
on National TV like that with his head gear on
was like just like validation, you know, like, man, we're
we're making moves, you know, and it was special for
(10:55):
that for him to do that. So really just fantastic career.
And you know, I know that he will he'll do
that one last show. Probably pretty emotional show, I would imagine.
Yeah then uh, you know though there's no rep I
hope that they don't try to replace him, which I
think they're not going to do. Uh. McAfee's a different
(11:17):
energy than yeah or so, you know, the showmanship of McAfee,
you know, the w W E like that, like his
he's a great Showman obviously a much different style than Corso.
And I hope that if that's the replacement, permanent, that
that's great. Like he McAfee does his own thing, but
there's no replacing cours So the head here thing should
(11:37):
be retired forever. That's not just not happening ever again. Yeah,
and let let it, let it, let it die.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Yeah, that would be really tough. He'd feel almost wrong
for a long I don't know if it would ever
feel right. But yeah, it's only him, Like that's the
thing is I love Nick Saban, but he's not core
No one's course, so like Nick Saban's like a librarian
compared to Corso. You know, you can't have just some
even like a zany fun even like Mike Leach when
(12:08):
he was alive, he was a character, he could do
something like that. There aren't that many people that could
do something similar to Corso. But yeah, you're probably just
gonna retire it and let like let McAfee do his
thing and go in a slightly different direction and have
fun with that.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
Because look, look the McAfee clip of him singing so
Georgia fight song and then and then saying go Alabama
or the vice versa. It was like an incredible, incredible moment.
You take a whole fight song for one team and
then it said, screw it, I'm taking the other team.
Like it was. It was a great theater, a much
(12:44):
different vibe than with Corso. And you know, I do
wonder like how long Herbatryt will do the show without Corso.
I wonder if the show kind of goes through some
changes now, you know, just remember too, like Corso played
college football, he coach college football. This has been his
life for all these years, has been college football. So
I've like, I'm looking through social media right now. I mean,
there's not a single tweet that's that even even even
(13:07):
the midget comment, Like people don't even they think that's
the funniest thing he ever said on the show. So
for those who missed it, it was like they were even
I think they were actually at organ and he there
was a little kid on the show and it was
a Harvard Yale pick like something, so he got sequential
and he's like he's like he's like not so fast, midget.
(13:27):
You're like, whoa, what are we doing? What are we doing?
But even that, like people find you know, like it's
one of those things with you the old person, You're like,
ah l L guy. He just kind of like said, yeah, silly.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
That's funny too. Like reading some of these stories about Corso,
like you forget because he's done game day for so long.
Some people know him just from that he was Some
people know him little.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
He did that, he said that, he made that comment.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Oh that comic. But he's been there for thirty eight years.
There are a lot of people that don't know him
from anything other than that. But one of the stories
I read was talking about his career as a player
at Florida State. Your coach, Yeah, he's from fifty three
to fifty six. He was a player. He played on
both sides of the ball. This is like Travis Hunter
(14:16):
of the fifties but close. He led Florida State and
interceptions in fifty four, rushing yards in fifty five and
then passing yards and punt returns in fifty six. It's like, what,
how in the world did that happen. He's still number
three on FSU's career interceptions list. He's still number three
(14:38):
over there at FSU. Like, wow, look, loo, look.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Look, he was a legit coaching player. I think look
my kids. You know, my kids are ten and eight,
and you know we we're in sports land now on Saturdays.
But I don't even know whether it's not. I've been
home at twelve eastern on a Saturday for without the
football season, football and fall baseball and softball, whatever. But
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I still try to put on if I can for
my kids to see, because those are the things that
get their attention, you know, is the headgear and the
fun of that moment, even though they might not be
into watching a two hour three hours and that's a
three hour preview of the actual games of the weeket
To be fair, I don't. I don't watch it either.
I like to watch the beginning of the show where
they sort of show like the home crowd and talk
(15:25):
about the game in hand, and I just turn it
off and put it back on again at twelve o'clock
to see the head gear pick in between. I don't
need that in my life anymore. But you know, my
kids enjoyed it when they got when they got to
watch it too, because it was unique to see him
put on an organheader Oklahoma Sooner thing or do the
Florida chop. I mean, it's all it's all fun.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Yeah, Yeah, And it didn't seem like a lot of
people took it too seriously, which was good, right because
in this day and age. I remember I got to
talk to the late Craig Sager one time, Yeah, and
I asked him about like the crazy outfits that he wore,
and he said when he covered March Madness, when he
covered the NCAA tournament, he wore a lot of like
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muted neutral colors because he was like, if I wear
like a red blazer, all these like you know whatever
North Carolina fans are like, you're rooting for Wisconsin, we
know you. So he tried to wear a lot of
neutral stuff. And so like with Lee, with Lee Corso,
you would think if he put on the headgear of
whatever team, the other fan base is like, he doesn't
(16:28):
like She's It didn't seem like it ever got there,
you know. People just laughed and went along with it.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
I think it was it was It's not like he
was not he wasn't making a game pic as much
as he was just having fun with the moment. I
think that's like the difference, right, Like the other guys
on the show are making game picks, right right, We
was just having fun, like he's just doing the most
fun thing he came in that moment. So that's why
I think too, no one really cared. And also know
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he would choose I would have legend. If you've been
on the show five times, you've been chosen once or twice,
you know part of it as well. So yeah, what
a what a legend and like a good person too.
I I don't really know. I mean, we haven't heard
any stories otherwise, so y calculations to Corso on the
incredible career and uh now we can all watch Big
(17:21):
Nick kickoff.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
I like it. A good, good plug for Fox. You
know the suits will love that.
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Speaker 2 (17:41):
App All Right, Jeff So Aaron Rodgers. He made his
first public comments since being released by the Jets in March.
He was on the Pat McAfee show yesterday. And there's
a reason why I didn't bring him up in the
first hour. It's just too early in the morning. You
know what I mean, like it's just I think we
had to like ramp up to if we.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
Never talk about him again, does he just go away?
Like we just never we decided today moving forward, I
never mentioned Aaron Rodgers name again. I mean, the only
reason we ever hear what he has to say is
because of Pat McAfee. Yeah, that show. That's not it's
not his fault. I mean, your his job is to
get on interesting guests. But like, if we just never
(18:22):
talked about Aaron Rodgers again, I think we would be
better as football fans.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Maybe maybe, but at the risk of just harming your
your general well being. Right here, we have some cuts
of Aaron Rodgers on the Pat McAfee show. Okay, now
this first one, this is a monstrous cut, Jeff. This
might be remember like a happy Gilmore or like Adam
(18:48):
said Sandler in the movie, he had his happy place
and then he had like the nightmare place. This might
be your nightmare place, you know, where everything just goes hey,
wire goes wrong. It's a tremendous story. Though He's talked
talking about flying across the country to meet with the
Jets in person, Like what's going to happen? Are they interested?
In having me stay with the Jets. What's the deal here?
(19:12):
So this story he meets with Aaron Glenn, the new
head coach, and I just think it's a funny story.
So try this on for size. We'll react to it
the whole nine yards. Here you go, here's Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
I figured that when I flew across country on my
own dime, that there's going to be a conversation. And
the confusing thing to me, and the strange thing was,
you know, when I went out there, I meet with
the coach, we start talking, he runs out of the room.
I'm like, that's kind of strange.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
I was like.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
Then he comes back with the GM and I'm like,
all right, So we sit down the office and I
think we're going to have this long conversation. I've flown
across the country, and twenty seconds in he goes, I
mean literally, I'm talking to the GM about something. And
he leaned to the edge of his sheet and goes,
should you want to play football? And I was like, yeah,
(20:04):
I'm interested, And he said we're going a different direction
at quarterback. And I was kind of shocked. Now not shocked,
because I don't think that was a possibility.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
Listen.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
Of course they want to move on. That's totally fine,
but shocked because I just flew across the country. You
could have told me this on the phone if we
weren't even gonna have a conversation. And this is verbatim
exactly how it happened. So I said, huh, and he goes,
we just want to know how you want it released
the messaging, and I said, verbatim, I don't give a
(20:33):
shit about the message. And I said why, And then
he said, I don't want to be up in front
of the room saying something and have guys looking back
at you. And I said, what does that even mean?
Are you assuming that I would be in the back
of the room during the team meeting, undermining what you're saying.
I said, you don't know me, and he said you
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don't know me, and then I said exactly, which is
why I flew across the country to have a used
to face meeting with you, to talk about my experience
with the Jets and to hear your vision for the team.
Twenty seconds in what I thought was going to be
a couple hours maybe turned into like a fifteen minute
meaning and I walked out of there.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
There you go. That was Aaron Rodgers meeting with Aaron Glenn.
Do we think about that?
Speaker 3 (21:21):
Hmm? Wow?
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Lot there?
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Oh thought some prayers, buddy. Well, so he got total
these cut twenty seconds in and then they met for
another fourteen minutes and forty seconds. Is that what I'm
That's what I'm supposed to gather from this discussion.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
I guess that.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
They told me he's been released. I've been released before.
I'm not Aaron Rodgers. I didn't talk to the head
coach on the manager for another fourteen and a half
minutes afterwards, said he got cut in the first twenty seconds,
and then he stayed there for fifteen more minutes to
talk about what the vision was. I guess what are
they talking for a fifteen minutes that he'd been released?
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Have you ever it's pretty much the end of the conversation.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
You've ever been fired and then talk to your firer
for fifteen more minutes afterwards? I know I haven't. Look
these stories are always one sided, right, Yeah, it's always
what Aaron Rodgers says happened. Because what the Jets are
knocking refute. They don't care what you don't watching on
their team. Anymore. They don't care how he's portrayed. It's
just you know, yeah, you have that friend probably in
(22:23):
your life who just is always complaining about something, and
eventually you're like, yeah, I just I'm not engaging with
that person anymore. All Arreon Rodgers does is fan to
complain about things in life. When is he ever happy
about something? When does he ever get on? To be fair,
(22:46):
I don't listen to him on any show, so maybe
I only see the negative stuff that he talks about.
It's just always a vent, sash Man to drain it
draining just to hear him complain all each and every
week about something in life. He's still talking about COVID
five years later.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
You know, he me of he reminds me a lot
of Draymond Green, And it just popped in my head
because Draymond does similar things where listen, it's all one sided,
just like you said, Draymond will he might do something
crazy on the court, but it's it's always like why
was this call made? And what about this? And what
(23:26):
about that? And it's like Draymond, you you like need
the guy in the groin that that's on you.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Rogers has less groinshots in his career than in Draymond.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
That's right, right, But it's similar right where it is.
It's just one sided. It's I'm the victim. It's I
don't know where these people are getting their information. That's
not what happened. Is. It can't only be that way
all the time. It just can't.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
Like I look, certainly, Aaron Rodgers, that story might be one.
I I'm not starting quarterback. I'm not a Hall of
Fame quarterback, which he will be. He'll be a first
Pell Hall of Famer no matter how you feel about
his his opinions on COVID and the vaccine and and life.
He's a first Pell Hall of Famer. There's no doubt
about it. When the best quarterbacks to ever play that,
(24:14):
that speech is gonna be oh boy, to call it
the Hall of Fame. It's gonna be something, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
That's gonna be Jordan esque. Yeah, everybody out, Yeah, it's
just gonna be.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Yeah. Look, I like the Hall of Fames speeches. All listen.
That's one time I will listen to Aaron Rodgers. I'll
promise you that I'll listen to his Hall of Fame speech.
I just don't through the conversation going like that, I'm
not gonna lie. You also have to be in town
to at some point to sign your release papers, at
(24:45):
least I when I've been cut, I've had to go
sign papers to be released. So he had to be
in New York at some point. Now, the team often
pays for that flight, not Aaron Rodgers, and so you know,
you know, did he call them beforehand and say, hey, man, like,
let's have this discussion on flying to town. Did he
just shows up. There's so many questions that need to
(25:06):
be answered. I think about the situation. I just don't
believe he got released and spent fifteen minutes talking to
Aaron Glenn afterwards. You know, like that's probably not how
this whole thing went down. And I would imagine that
they talked to it and they're like, yeah, we're releasing you,
like you know it was. The decision was already made
before Edon Rogers got there, because that's the way it
(25:27):
works in that position, and the teams know what they're
going to do ahead of time with a lot of
personnel decisions. But you know, I if you're at Pittsburgh
or the Vikings or the Giants, right and right, he's
signing up for this this.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
It's a lot. There's a lot there. It's like it's
a lot.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
And I think he said the reports are that you know,
he's there a retirement, and I mean it sounds like
he wants attention when you listen to him talk about it,
and it's like, if you Pittsburgh, you have to go
into next Thursday thinking about we got to get a quarterback, right,
because Rogers, if you want to be a Steeler, he'd
be a Steeler. So that's at some point he has
(26:08):
a contract available to him. He's passing the opportunity. That's
totally his call. I fields to retire, go ahead and retire,
but this this grievance airing every week, and just like,
why would you want that in your locker room?
Speaker 2 (26:20):
I don't know. Yeah, it's your team needs no, I
get it. He's talented and he was kind of productive
last year. It wasn't a debacle, like in terms of
his numbers, right, it was okay.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
You know what's interesting too, it's like you talk to
those teammates in Green Bay and they all like him.
It's so funny because you just don't see that from
him now and I'm not saying that Jets teammates didn't
like him, but you don't hear anyone coming out to
defend and who played with him in New York, you know,
but you hear you see these Packers guys, and I
believe them when they say they like playing on the
Rodgers and they're friendly with him. But I could just
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do without Roger.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Yeah, I get it.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
Hey, the thing about it, we talked we started the
show with Corso right, and how interesting and have fun?
Horso was. I just don't find this interesting at all.
It doesn't it doesn't challenge me mentally. I don't have
to think you very much to come up with any
sort of anti Rogers take or like. Just it's just
so uninteresting. I'm just uninterested.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Well, he is an I'm the opposite way because some
of the things that he says, I'm like, okay, if
you tell that. So for instance, he tells that long
story about Aaron Glenn. Okay, he flew all across the country,
you know, on his own dime, like he stressed, he's
I paid for it, either paid for it, just so
you know, I saw on my own dime he flew
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all the way over there. And then twenty seconds in,
Aaron Glenn is the bad guy and says we're going
in a different direction, and it's like, why didn't you
just tell me that on the phone?
Speaker 3 (27:44):
Right?
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Could have been the way it went down? Who knows.
But if that's true, then how is then this his reaction.
He also said this in the same interview about where
he stands right now as a free agent.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
To anything and attached to to nothing. So so yeah,
retirement still could be a possibility.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Okay, So that's the part that I hate, Jeff where Okay,
let's just let's walk down this road and just assume
for a minute that what he said about Aaron Glenn
and meeting with the Jets was exactly the way it
went down. Let's just live in that world for a second.
So how is this your reaction to all of that,
which is, you know, I don't know, not really committed
(28:30):
to anything, open minded to everything. See how it goes.
Maybe I retire. I think about Tom Brady in this situation.
Not everybody has to operate like Brady, But for many years,
a lot of people you know, erroneously had Aaron Rodgers
ranked ahead of Tom Brady. If Tom Brady wanted to
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continue his NFL career and met with the team he
had played for the last couple of years, and they
just in twenty seconds, we're moving on. We don't want you.
Do you think his reaction would be like, yeah, I'm
at peace with everything. I'm calm, kind of complacent. There
would be fire, yeah, like coming out of his ears.
(29:15):
If there was an offer on the table and a
team wanted to sign him, you could do better than
the Steelers. You could do a whole lot worse. You
think that Tom Brady is like, Eh, I don't know,
shrug shoulders. I'm not sure, open to anything, not committed yet,
no way. That's the thing that drives me crazy is
there's just no competitive fire there at this point. It's
(29:38):
like what getting your ig clicks where you want them? Like,
what do you do when at this point? And that's
where I'm at with Rogers? If that story is true,
how is this then your reaction of I'm just open
to anything, not committed to anything either, it's like, bro, dude,
like are we playing or not? Like if that's where
you're at, competitively, call it a day.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
So I won't speak to the other to other sports
because I don't know this to be the fact, I don't.
I don't know if you can play other sports at
a high level not being one hundred percent committed. I
know football you can't, right, Brian, Like, it's either right,
you're all the way in or all the way out.
You can't do this thing where you're sort of in.
And you know there are players who talk about this
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that are and to be fair, this is my last year.
So I my ninth year I came, I was. I
broke my ankle twice in a year. Essentially three and
sixty four days apart, I broke my left leg, and
that was the end of my eighth year, was what
I did at the second time. And you know, I
went to Detroit my ninth year for office in program
(30:45):
and training camp. But I wasn't all in, you know,
I was trying to just play one more year. My
mind was set basically like, I just didn't want to
end my career on a kart or an injury cart,
right Essentially, I wanted to walk off the field to
end my career. I just wasn't I wasn't all in,
you know, mentally, I knew it was my last year
in the NFL. Was my ninth year. My family was
(31:06):
gonna stay in Charlotte. We were having my second, my
second kid, my daughter, fairly close to training camp, and
I basically just wanted to end my career, not hurt,
and just make another year's salary. It was a minimum salary,
it was it was whatever. And uh yeah, predictably I sucked.
I wasn't good. I was older and beat up, and
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I wasn't mentally one hundred percent into into football. And
it's it's hard enough when you're all in football, you know,
and when you're not all in, you should retire. And
you often hear guys talk about, you know that that
idea of like when you start thinking about retirements, when
you should retire, Like, yeah, when you start thinking about it,
is this my last year yet? Yes, it should be
(31:48):
your last year, because I'm telling you, man, you always
to Ron Smith just retired the Cowboys legend. I bet
he's in the same boat where he probably thinks to himself, now,
God should have probably retired after the Cowboys. Yeah, just
you know, look, we all want to we all want
to keep playing. We all want to retire on our
own terms. But that's the reality of it. When you
(32:08):
start thinking about retirement is when you should retire. It's
hard to do that because there are times, obviously that
you can think about retirement down the line. I want
to retire in three years. But if you start thinking
about it like this, like you know what, I think
this is my last year, that's fine to play through that.
But if you're like I kind of want to retire
before training camp, you just retire, man, Like you should
(32:29):
just do it. Yeah, it's hard to play the sport
not all in. It does feel like Rogers has not
been all in. And but what all in does not
mean that you can't have a side hustle. You can
have a podcast and play football, though those can happen. Now.
If you do that, screwtiny is gonna come to your direction.
(32:51):
Like my CAA Parsons is finding out right, you can
do other things and and be all in on football.
I think people think you can only do football. No
that's not that's not true. You can do other things.
But the second you start having those should I retire?
Should I not? In your brain, it's probably you're probably
closer to retirement than you.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Think, right, and especially when a team just kicks you
to the curb, like, how are you not fired up?
Speaker 3 (33:17):
Right?
Speaker 2 (33:17):
If you want to like shove it in there and
face and I can still play that. There's none of
that there with Rogers in that interview. Nothing.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
And if you're the Steelers, I think you listen to
that and you're like, I just don't want that. I
want your point. I have thought about that. It's a
really good point, Like I want a guy all in.
I want a guy y who's who's committed to showing
everyone I still got it. And I think for Rogers too,
like he's lives in this fancy world of waiting for
the perfect opportunity. When you're his age, there's no perfect
(33:50):
opportunity man, Like you've won your super Bowl, Yeah, you've
won your MVPs. Anywhere you go, it's not going to
be the great, great situation unless it's Minnesota. It's still
I guess maybe I think toldly, I hope that McCarthy
has a tough training camp or something, maybe someone gets
hurt in the preseason, But there's there's no perfect situation
to go to right now because everyone has a quarterback
spots filled. And if you're waiting for the opportunity for
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the perfect you're not going to find it. And that's
why I think that's he just should tell you I'm done, man,
like going to your broadcasting career, your part, whatever you
whatever podcast, You're gonna do that airic grievances for for
minutes at a time on your own podcast. So yeah,
that's I'm with you. I think it's time to hang
(34:33):
him up. It's time to be done. Oh. I don't
know Roger as well. I just know him based off
of what I hear him say. You went to grow
all things he says, and I certainly do. But it
does not take away with the fact that he is
a first Battle Hall of Famer. He's a football player
and as he will walk right in the Hall of
(34:54):
Fame as soon as he retires.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
And that's why any team is still interested at this
absolutely because of what he's done before.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
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Speaker 2 (35:11):
Okay, Jeff, we got headlines here, all right, headlines a
week from today. We got the NFL drafts first round
on Thursday, right, So what will the headlines be on Friday?
What do you have for us? I know you've got
a couple of these line Now what's your first one?
Speaker 3 (35:32):
Well, so I've got a couple different directions here, But
I think I think that at least as of now,
we're gonna say to ourselves, man, that was boring.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Really okay?
Speaker 3 (35:44):
Yeah? Yeah, I mean I'll have some other ones I
think are more fun.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
But I think, man, that was boring.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
Huh Yeah, Like I have I have some hot takes
with the draft, I think they're more just wishful thinking.
But Brian, this is a draft where I just everyone
has their original first round pick at the moment, right,
think about that. Every so that there's been no movement,
and we know that these younger general managers we see
around the NFL, they love they love draft trades. They
(36:13):
trade all the time, way more than ever before. Our
team's trading except this year because it's not a year
with a ton of premium talent. As far as there
might be a lot of pros that will get they'll
play a lot of ball in this draft, but there's
not a lot of guys that I think that teams
are gonna are willing to give up future picks to
(36:34):
acquire this season, you know what I mean, Brian, So
I think we're just gonna have a boring draft, not
a lot of trades. We're gonna have the top six
or seven guys be the top six or seven guys,
and we're gonna get to Friday and be like, oh,
that kind of just went as expected.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
I don't know. I see where you're coming from. But
every year some team gets overly aggressive or what just
does makes the.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
Reach pig headline. You know, I have those headlines down
up for for on. It's my turn again. I have
I have some of those in in in the in
the bank. Buddy, don't worry.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Okay, I don't expect anyone to have this headline. But
if I were writing for a newspaper and I needed
to come up with the headline, this would be my headline, Jeff,
it would be Titans blow it by taking Ward. That's
what I've come up.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
Well, I'm surprised you're not a newspaper editor with that.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Yeah, right, I've been the wrong professionally. I'm reading, you know,
like the Dollar Shave Club reads, and it's strewing them up. Royally.
I should be in the newspaper business. Good lord, what
am I doing?
Speaker 3 (37:43):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (37:43):
Yeah, I just we've been over this, but I just
would not pass on either Travis Hunter or Abdul Carter
for cam Ward. Cam Ward he's evaluated by the best
of the best doing this. That doesn't mean it's gospel,
but a lot of people will tell you he'd be
the seventh quarter back off the board last year. And
you're spending the number one overall pick on him when
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you've got a two way player in Travis Hunter and
a game wrecker and Abdul Carter. That just doesn't make
any sense to me. And let's just not act like
this is the Titans only crack at finding a franchise quarterback,
Like the number one pick in the twenty twenty five
draft is not your only crack at finding a franchise quarterback.
(38:27):
I don't know why we're acting like that.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
Yeah, yeah, that I I I think too about Tennessee
is that you know, Brian Callahan, their head coach, he
needs cam Wored to save his job and he's not
the one picking the players, I don't think. But you know,
if they have another four or five season, like he's
out of there as a head coach too, and obviously,
if you're able to keep the draft cam Ward, you
(38:51):
buy us off a little bit of time. That could
be some of the consideration. They have a new GM,
so the GM won't feel that that certain way as well.
Another headline I've been I've been workshopping this. I think
it's unlikely to happen, but wow, it would be great.
Something like the Steelers go bold. I don't even know
what that was, hell of would but they basically draft
(39:14):
should dear Sanders at eight. They trade up to eight
ahead of the Saints.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
Yeah, and they take Shadgar Sanders because as of right now, okay,
there is there's Mason Rudolph on the Steelers roster as quarterback.
That's Kyra Thompson. That's it. Aaron Rodgers is not gonna
be a Pittsburgh Steeler between now and Thursday. Are they
going to go into the draft to be Are they
(39:38):
gonna end the round one with with no quarterback in
their pocket and just hope that someone in round two
is there for the taking or are they gonna be
They're gonna do something bold for the anti Steelers trade
up to eight for Sanders knowing the Saints might take
him at nine and just have yourself a quarterback. The
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Steelers go prime time. You can't do primetime. It's not
yeah it's primetime. Son. Also, just we want to set
this in here. Retiring his number at Colorado is a
little much.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
That's a bit much. Yeah, like I get Travis Hunter
to get that.
Speaker 3 (40:16):
But normally, but like I've seen this take it. I
think it's totally down. They've barely retired numbers for the championship.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
Team in Yeah.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
Right, if if you're gonna do this for Sanders and Hunter,
how do you not retire any of the All Americans
that won your championships? Like you're doing this now, You're
we're tiring the number like it's tomorrow. They're doing it.
I think right, they're retired to number tomorrow at the
spring game. And I saw Dion say that if his
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last name was in Sanders, this wouldn't be a story. Well,
if last say it wasn't there, he wouldn't kid his
number retired. He he went thirteen and twelve
This is the best of two pros and a couple
Joe with Lamar arings Rady Quinn and Jonas Knox on
Fox Worts Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Good morning to you, Jeff Schwartz. Of course, how about
a legend about to step away? That would be Lee Corso. So,
after thirty eight years, he is going to be retiring
from ESPN's College Game Day. His final appearance will be
on August thirtieth. That'll be the last show he does,
(00:33):
and then he rides off into the sunset. What a career, though, dude.
We're talking four decades over here and universally loved. It's
been a great run for Corso. He is one of
a kind. He's kind of like, you can't replace Charles
Barkley on TV. You can't replace Lee Corso on TV either.
There's just one guy.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Yeah, Good morning, Brian, Good morning everyone. And you know
they're trying obviously to do that with with one of
the new hosts there. The thing about Corso that stood
out through all the years, and that thing is important
to discuss, is he loved ball, Brian, like it came
through so much. He loved ball and he had fun
(01:14):
with football, right, and those things sometimes I didn't get
lost when you cover the sport, right, like football, playing
sports is fun, okay, Like I have young kids. We
played in DNA time all the time. Yeah, wins and losses. Yeah,
you want to win, you want to you want to
play well. But like, did you have fun today? You know,
did you enjoy playing sports? Because sports should be fun
(01:36):
And Lee Corso made covering an intense sport. Football is intense, right,
It's violent, it's physical, it matters to a lot of
people in this country, and he made it fun. Men.
And and I I I work for ESPN's rival coming
over for Fox Sports. I've switched over to watch Big
(01:59):
New Kickoff. I mean I like the show. I know
people on the show, working people on the show, And
I still don't make my way over and maybe take
a peek at the head gear that Lee cours Will
puts them every week, like you know, like it is
a lot of fun, right, And I think even for
a guy like myself, an organ guy, and I know
you're under name guy, like he enjoyed putting on the organ,
(02:19):
uh you know, duckhead. He enjoyed dressing up like the
mascot for the Irish, like those things as fans sucked
you in, right like I didn't. I'm I don't. Lee
Corso is talking about offense. I don't care. He is
fun man like they have other people in the show.
I think the roles in that show. Brian, you know,
Herbie is the football analytics guy, right, you know the
(02:41):
film breakdown guy and my analytics is probably the wrong word,
the film breakdown guy, right, Deston Howard sort of in between.
And then you have Corso, who just is there a
talk ball man, just have fun talking ball and he
will be far missed. There's nothing you cannot replace him.
There's I know they're what they're trying to do right now.
I don't think that's a replacement for Lee Corso. I
(03:05):
get the po of Mackafee, and I get like why
he's there. His energy is fantastic, but he's a showman,
right like he's a WWE guy, right, he enjoys that.
That's not what Corso was. So, man, what what a
run for Corso? And looking I think also to like,
when you leave something after that long, you would like
(03:26):
the people that you worked with to say the things
they've said the last couple of days. Right. Fouler put
out of video yesterday. Herbie put out the video yesterday
there Herbie was in tears nearly right, like, yeah, so
legendary run. I imagine what they're probably in Texas, Ohio
state to open the season, and that's week one, and
that would be uh week one this year in Texa,
(03:47):
Ohio state.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
That right, let me see real fast.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
But you know, so I'm curious actually where he goes
because I know the Irish don't take host Miami week one. Yeah, yeah,
I feel like that that could be all put on
the Irish, you know, the the mascot suit one more time.
But that's the thing. It's like, dude, I can't just
not like the just the fun. Like, yeah, he says
(04:11):
things sometimes that weren't politically correct. He called that one
kid a midge at one time. Sure, I'm not great.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
When he was grabbing headgear one time, he was like
f it, like give me this other head gear and
it's like Lee.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Great, but like Brian great, like enjoy it, enjoy like
ball's fun then, And so what a legend hopefully gets,
he'll get a proper send off. It's gonna be an
emotional show and uh, you know it is a building, right,
we've seen his his health decline over the years. He's
ninety years old. Man, she says fine. Around the country,
(04:47):
the show is physically.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Taxing for college game day. Man, he was absolutely made
for that show, and it's he'll be missed, there's no
doubt about that. But I didn't think about that too.
They're probably betting odds, but like what head gear? What
is going to dress up at? Like which school to
close the close it down right, I didn't even think
about that aspect.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Now, curious what I'm curious actually what they do? You know,
they could do. You know, sometimes they just go to
a random place because it fits, like what the theenis.
But week won you know, college football this year we
have some some good matchups and so I do like
that about the sport now that that we have a
little bit, you know, because the playoffs twelve games, we
get some of these good non conference games early the
season because people don't care anymore, you know, you.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Know, think about this too, though, Jeff, You're right. So
August thirtieth, it is Ohio State hosting Texas. Yeah, and
this was the very first head gear that he put on.
He chose Ohio State, so it was like I forget
like ninety three or something like that. It was a
long time ago obviously, but it was because Kirk Krbstreet's
(05:51):
wife had access to like Brutus's head you know, like
the head gear or whatever. Like That's how it started.
And he put it on after because Herbie he chose
Ohio State to win the game, like twenty four to
thirteen or something, and then Lee Corso sort of doubled
down and put the head gear on and everyone just
(06:12):
laughed and they were like, this kind of works, This
could be a thing, and that he had like four
hundred in some games putting on headgear after that, But
that's where it began and that's where it could end also,
based in putting on the Brutus head gear, that's probably
the way it's going to go.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Here, it is. I pulled the graphic right now, mate,
com here's be a little bit slow. Okay, four hundred
and thirty mascot headgear picks of all time. He picked
sixty nine different teams. If you were to guess that
the most headgear selections by team, the top five, I
think number one's pretty easy.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
But he was huge on Notre Dame. I know they've
got to be in the top.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
The top five.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
They're not in the top five.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Wow, so Ohio states one, Bama's two.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Okay, so a house.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
It's forty five selections, which is insane. I mean that's
a good they've been right forty five times. I'll be
in the thirty eight, LSU twenty five, Flourid to twenty two,
Oregon twenty one. He loved Orgon did Wow. Yeah, they're
new to the scene. Like this is yeah, you know
how about this which team as multiple picks and no losses?
(07:18):
There's three of them, but there's one team that he's
picked seventeen times without a loss seventeen Wow.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
I don't know. I really don't know what the answer
to that would be.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
The USC Trojans.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Wow, he's undefeated with sc.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Now that was probably like us, he didn't you know,
you know, there's Pee Carroll teams. By the way, I've
been another show used to do we if you Lendell
White often and what a character. But he said something
that I actually thought was not even accurate, but I
looked it up and he's right. Of course, the USC
didn't most a football game for nearly three years, right, Yeah, yeah,
(07:55):
like with the Pee Carroll, which is kind of like
you think about, You're like, what three years I mean,
and they like lost I think early two thousand and
three and then didn't lose again until the Texas game
at the end of the five season, So he probably
went to seven of those games. I mean, he just
he's been able to pick the USC eight here during
that time, so man four hundred and thirty mascot had
(08:19):
gear picks. So I love how they put his record
on here like it like it actually means anything. He
took the home team every time basically.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
But that's the other thing too, is you think about
how negative things are now, right you think of social media.
You just take a peek at social media and you're like,
that's negative. That's really negative. That's disturbingly negative. Oh yeah,
And I don't think it ever got that way with
Corso he's kind of like a safe space, you know
what I mean, Like you just didn't have people in
(08:49):
bulk talking trash about him, which I love. And listen,
he had a stroke in two thousand and nine and
it affected the way that he spoke, and the last
six sixteen years he's kept on going on, and I
just I really like that he's gotten his flowers the
way he has because he's been huge for the game.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Yeah, and I think that to your point about negativity,
Like you know, I search social media when something big happens,
like there's there's there's nothing man, and and there's nothing,
there's there's no there's just no negativity. I mean, yeah, again,
did he say things sometimes that weren't politically correct, Sure,
(09:30):
but he's ninety years old, so I mean that's that
happens when you get to a certain age. But again,
the dude, what you just I remember just all the
things about Oregon when when game day showed up. I mean,
how big as a student, as a player, how big
it was when game day came to your campus and
(09:51):
you sit there and you typically had a later games
you're able to watch in the hotel room we'd all have,
we'd all have the show on, we'd all to see
his head gear pick and it just was cool man
to see like a national TV little old Organ. I remember, guys,
Organ's good now, but when I was there, we were
(10:12):
just starting to get good, and we weren't good for
one hundred years before that, So like it got people
pretendly Organ it's been good. Organ has been good for
like twenty five years. That's it. And that was mostly
when it's you know that it's starting about two thousand, right,
Organ didn't win their first Bowl game to like nineteen
eighty nine. Brian. I think people the amount of Bowl
games Organ played between the beginning of the program in
nineteen ninety four, it was like ten, that was it.
(10:33):
That was it. Ten bowl games. We've obviously played in
like twenty five since then. So you know, like seeing
Organ man in two thousand and four, twousand and five
on National TV like that with his head gear on
was like just like validation, you know, like, man, we're
we're making moves, you know, and it was special for
(10:55):
that for him to do that. So really just fantastic career.
And you know, I know that he will he'll do
that one last show. Probably pretty emotional show, I would imagine.
Yeah then uh, you know though there's no rep I
hope that they don't try to replace him, which I
think they're not going to do. Uh. McAfee's a different
(11:17):
energy than yeah or so, you know, the showmanship of McAfee,
you know, the w W E like that, like his
he's a great Showman obviously a much different style than Corso.
And I hope that if that's the replacement, permanent, that
that's great. Like he McAfee does his own thing, but
there's no replacing cours So the head here thing should
(11:37):
be retired forever. That's not just not happening ever again. Yeah,
and let let it, let it, let it die.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Yeah, that would be really tough. He'd feel almost wrong
for a long I don't know if it would ever
feel right. But yeah, it's only him, Like that's the
thing is I love Nick Saban, but he's not core
No one's course, so like Nick Saban's like a librarian
compared to Corso. You know, you can't have just some
even like a zany fun even like Mike Leach when
(12:08):
he was alive, he was a character, he could do
something like that. There aren't that many people that could
do something similar to Corso. But yeah, you're probably just
gonna retire it and let like let McAfee do his
thing and go in a slightly different direction and have
fun with that.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
Because look, look the McAfee clip of him singing so
Georgia fight song and then and then saying go Alabama
or the vice versa. It was like an incredible, incredible moment.
You take a whole fight song for one team and
then it said, screw it, I'm taking the other team.
Like it was. It was a great theater, a much
(12:44):
different vibe than with Corso. And you know, I do
wonder like how long Herbatryt will do the show without Corso.
I wonder if the show kind of goes through some
changes now, you know, just remember too, like Corso played
college football, he coach college football. This has been his
life for all these years, has been college football. So
I've like, I'm looking through social media right now. I mean,
there's not a single tweet that's that even even even
(13:07):
the midget comment, Like people don't even they think that's
the funniest thing he ever said on the show. So
for those who missed it, it was like they were even
I think they were actually at organ and he there
was a little kid on the show and it was
a Harvard Yale pick like something, so he got sequential
and he's like he's like he's like not so fast, midget.
(13:27):
You're like, whoa, what are we doing? What are we doing?
But even that, like people find you know, like it's
one of those things with you the old person, You're like,
ah l L guy. He just kind of like said, yeah, silly.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
That's funny too. Like reading some of these stories about Corso,
like you forget because he's done game day for so long.
Some people know him just from that he was Some
people know him little.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
He did that, he said that, he made that comment.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Oh that comic. But he's been there for thirty eight years.
There are a lot of people that don't know him
from anything other than that. But one of the stories
I read was talking about his career as a player
at Florida State. Your coach, Yeah, he's from fifty three
to fifty six. He was a player. He played on
both sides of the ball. This is like Travis Hunter
(14:16):
of the fifties but close. He led Florida State and
interceptions in fifty four, rushing yards in fifty five and
then passing yards and punt returns in fifty six. It's like, what,
how in the world did that happen. He's still number
three on FSU's career interceptions list. He's still number three
(14:38):
over there at FSU. Like, wow, look, loo, look.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Look, he was a legit coaching player. I think look
my kids. You know, my kids are ten and eight,
and you know we we're in sports land now on Saturdays.
But I don't even know whether it's not. I've been
home at twelve eastern on a Saturday for without the
football season, football and fall baseball and softball, whatever. But
(15:03):
I still try to put on if I can for
my kids to see, because those are the things that
get their attention, you know, is the headgear and the
fun of that moment, even though they might not be
into watching a two hour three hours and that's a
three hour preview of the actual games of the weeket
To be fair, I don't. I don't watch it either.
I like to watch the beginning of the show where
they sort of show like the home crowd and talk
(15:25):
about the game in hand, and I just turn it
off and put it back on again at twelve o'clock
to see the head gear pick in between. I don't
need that in my life anymore. But you know, my
kids enjoyed it when they got when they got to
watch it too, because it was unique to see him
put on an organheader Oklahoma Sooner thing or do the
Florida chop. I mean, it's all it's all fun.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Yeah, Yeah, And it didn't seem like a lot of
people took it too seriously, which was good, right because
in this day and age. I remember I got to
talk to the late Craig Sager one time, Yeah, and
I asked him about like the crazy outfits that he wore,
and he said when he covered March Madness, when he
covered the NCAA tournament, he wore a lot of like
(16:04):
muted neutral colors because he was like, if I wear
like a red blazer, all these like you know whatever
North Carolina fans are like, you're rooting for Wisconsin, we
know you. So he tried to wear a lot of
neutral stuff. And so like with Lee, with Lee Corso,
you would think if he put on the headgear of
whatever team, the other fan base is like, he doesn't
(16:28):
like She's It didn't seem like it ever got there,
you know. People just laughed and went along with it.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
I think it was it was It's not like he
was not he wasn't making a game pic as much
as he was just having fun with the moment. I
think that's like the difference, right, Like the other guys
on the show are making game picks, right right, We
was just having fun, like he's just doing the most
fun thing he came in that moment. So that's why
I think too, no one really cared. And also know
(16:58):
he would choose I would have legend. If you've been
on the show five times, you've been chosen once or twice,
you know part of it as well. So yeah, what
a what a legend and like a good person too.
I I don't really know. I mean, we haven't heard
any stories otherwise, so y calculations to Corso on the
incredible career and uh now we can all watch Big
(17:21):
Nick kickoff.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
I like it. A good, good plug for Fox. You
know the suits will love that.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
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Speaker 2 (17:41):
App All Right, Jeff So Aaron Rodgers. He made his
first public comments since being released by the Jets in March.
He was on the Pat McAfee show yesterday. And there's
a reason why I didn't bring him up in the
first hour. It's just too early in the morning. You
know what I mean, like it's just I think we
had to like ramp up to if we.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
Never talk about him again, does he just go away?
Like we just never we decided today moving forward, I
never mentioned Aaron Rodgers name again. I mean, the only
reason we ever hear what he has to say is
because of Pat McAfee. Yeah, that show. That's not it's
not his fault. I mean, your his job is to
get on interesting guests. But like, if we just never
(18:22):
talked about Aaron Rodgers again, I think we would be
better as football fans.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Maybe maybe, but at the risk of just harming your
your general well being. Right here, we have some cuts
of Aaron Rodgers on the Pat McAfee show. Okay, now
this first one, this is a monstrous cut, Jeff. This
might be remember like a happy Gilmore or like Adam
(18:48):
said Sandler in the movie, he had his happy place
and then he had like the nightmare place. This might
be your nightmare place, you know, where everything just goes hey,
wire goes wrong. It's a tremendous story. Though He's talked
talking about flying across the country to meet with the
Jets in person, Like what's going to happen? Are they interested?
In having me stay with the Jets. What's the deal here?
(19:12):
So this story he meets with Aaron Glenn, the new
head coach, and I just think it's a funny story.
So try this on for size. We'll react to it
the whole nine yards. Here you go, here's Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
I figured that when I flew across country on my
own dime, that there's going to be a conversation. And
the confusing thing to me, and the strange thing was,
you know, when I went out there, I meet with
the coach, we start talking, he runs out of the room.
I'm like, that's kind of strange.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
I was like.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
Then he comes back with the GM and I'm like,
all right, So we sit down the office and I
think we're going to have this long conversation. I've flown
across the country, and twenty seconds in he goes, I
mean literally, I'm talking to the GM about something. And
he leaned to the edge of his sheet and goes,
should you want to play football? And I was like, yeah,
(20:04):
I'm interested, And he said we're going a different direction
at quarterback. And I was kind of shocked. Now not shocked,
because I don't think that was a possibility.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
Listen.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
Of course they want to move on. That's totally fine,
but shocked because I just flew across the country. You
could have told me this on the phone if we
weren't even gonna have a conversation. And this is verbatim
exactly how it happened. So I said, huh, and he goes,
we just want to know how you want it released
the messaging, and I said, verbatim, I don't give a
(20:33):
shit about the message. And I said why, And then
he said, I don't want to be up in front
of the room saying something and have guys looking back
at you. And I said, what does that even mean?
Are you assuming that I would be in the back
of the room during the team meeting, undermining what you're saying.
I said, you don't know me, and he said you
(20:54):
don't know me, and then I said exactly, which is
why I flew across the country to have a used
to face meeting with you, to talk about my experience
with the Jets and to hear your vision for the team.
Twenty seconds in what I thought was going to be
a couple hours maybe turned into like a fifteen minute
meaning and I walked out of there.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
There you go. That was Aaron Rodgers meeting with Aaron Glenn.
Do we think about that?
Speaker 3 (21:21):
Hmm? Wow?
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Lot there?
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Oh thought some prayers, buddy. Well, so he got total
these cut twenty seconds in and then they met for
another fourteen minutes and forty seconds. Is that what I'm
That's what I'm supposed to gather from this discussion.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
I guess that.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
They told me he's been released. I've been released before.
I'm not Aaron Rodgers. I didn't talk to the head
coach on the manager for another fourteen and a half
minutes afterwards, said he got cut in the first twenty seconds,
and then he stayed there for fifteen more minutes to
talk about what the vision was. I guess what are
they talking for a fifteen minutes that he'd been released?
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Have you ever it's pretty much the end of the conversation.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
You've ever been fired and then talk to your firer
for fifteen more minutes afterwards? I know I haven't. Look
these stories are always one sided, right, Yeah, it's always
what Aaron Rodgers says happened. Because what the Jets are
knocking refute. They don't care what you don't watching on
their team. Anymore. They don't care how he's portrayed. It's
just you know, yeah, you have that friend probably in
(22:23):
your life who just is always complaining about something, and
eventually you're like, yeah, I just I'm not engaging with
that person anymore. All Arreon Rodgers does is fan to
complain about things in life. When is he ever happy
about something? When does he ever get on? To be fair,
(22:46):
I don't listen to him on any show, so maybe
I only see the negative stuff that he talks about.
It's just always a vent, sash Man to drain it
draining just to hear him complain all each and every
week about something in life. He's still talking about COVID
five years later.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
You know, he me of he reminds me a lot
of Draymond Green, And it just popped in my head
because Draymond does similar things where listen, it's all one sided,
just like you said, Draymond will he might do something
crazy on the court, but it's it's always like why
was this call made? And what about this? And what
(23:26):
about that? And it's like Draymond, you you like need
the guy in the groin that that's on you.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Rogers has less groinshots in his career than in Draymond.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
That's right, right, But it's similar right where it is.
It's just one sided. It's I'm the victim. It's I
don't know where these people are getting their information. That's
not what happened. Is. It can't only be that way
all the time. It just can't.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
Like I look, certainly, Aaron Rodgers, that story might be one.
I I'm not starting quarterback. I'm not a Hall of
Fame quarterback, which he will be. He'll be a first
Pell Hall of Famer no matter how you feel about
his his opinions on COVID and the vaccine and and life.
He's a first Pell Hall of Famer. There's no doubt
about it. When the best quarterbacks to ever play that,
(24:14):
that speech is gonna be oh boy, to call it
the Hall of Fame. It's gonna be something, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
That's gonna be Jordan esque. Yeah, everybody out, Yeah, it's
just gonna be.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Yeah. Look, I like the Hall of Fames speeches. All listen.
That's one time I will listen to Aaron Rodgers. I'll
promise you that I'll listen to his Hall of Fame speech.
I just don't through the conversation going like that, I'm
not gonna lie. You also have to be in town
to at some point to sign your release papers, at
(24:45):
least I when I've been cut, I've had to go
sign papers to be released. So he had to be
in New York at some point. Now, the team often
pays for that flight, not Aaron Rodgers, and so you know,
you know, did he call them beforehand and say, hey, man, like,
let's have this discussion on flying to town. Did he
just shows up. There's so many questions that need to
(25:06):
be answered. I think about the situation. I just don't
believe he got released and spent fifteen minutes talking to
Aaron Glenn afterwards. You know, like that's probably not how
this whole thing went down. And I would imagine that
they talked to it and they're like, yeah, we're releasing you,
like you know it was. The decision was already made
before Edon Rogers got there, because that's the way it
(25:27):
works in that position, and the teams know what they're
going to do ahead of time with a lot of
personnel decisions. But you know, I if you're at Pittsburgh
or the Vikings or the Giants, right and right, he's
signing up for this this.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
It's a lot. There's a lot there. It's like it's
a lot.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
And I think he said the reports are that you know,
he's there a retirement, and I mean it sounds like
he wants attention when you listen to him talk about it,
and it's like, if you Pittsburgh, you have to go
into next Thursday thinking about we got to get a quarterback, right,
because Rogers, if you want to be a Steeler, he'd
be a Steeler. So that's at some point he has
(26:08):
a contract available to him. He's passing the opportunity. That's
totally his call. I fields to retire, go ahead and retire,
but this this grievance airing every week, and just like,
why would you want that in your locker room?
Speaker 2 (26:20):
I don't know. Yeah, it's your team needs no, I
get it. He's talented and he was kind of productive
last year. It wasn't a debacle, like in terms of
his numbers, right, it was okay.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
You know what's interesting too, it's like you talk to
those teammates in Green Bay and they all like him.
It's so funny because you just don't see that from
him now and I'm not saying that Jets teammates didn't
like him, but you don't hear anyone coming out to
defend and who played with him in New York, you know,
but you hear you see these Packers guys, and I
believe them when they say they like playing on the
Rodgers and they're friendly with him. But I could just
(26:52):
do without Roger.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Yeah, I get it.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
Hey, the thing about it, we talked we started the
show with Corso right, and how interesting and have fun?
Horso was. I just don't find this interesting at all.
It doesn't it doesn't challenge me mentally. I don't have
to think you very much to come up with any
sort of anti Rogers take or like. Just it's just
so uninteresting. I'm just uninterested.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Well, he is an I'm the opposite way because some
of the things that he says, I'm like, okay, if
you tell that. So for instance, he tells that long
story about Aaron Glenn. Okay, he flew all across the country,
you know, on his own dime, like he stressed, he's
I paid for it, either paid for it, just so
you know, I saw on my own dime he flew
(27:36):
all the way over there. And then twenty seconds in,
Aaron Glenn is the bad guy and says we're going
in a different direction, and it's like, why didn't you
just tell me that on the phone?
Speaker 3 (27:44):
Right?
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Could have been the way it went down? Who knows.
But if that's true, then how is then this his reaction.
He also said this in the same interview about where
he stands right now as a free agent.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
To anything and attached to to nothing. So so yeah,
retirement still could be a possibility.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Okay, So that's the part that I hate, Jeff where Okay,
let's just let's walk down this road and just assume
for a minute that what he said about Aaron Glenn
and meeting with the Jets was exactly the way it
went down. Let's just live in that world for a second.
So how is this your reaction to all of that,
which is, you know, I don't know, not really committed
(28:30):
to anything, open minded to everything. See how it goes.
Maybe I retire. I think about Tom Brady in this situation.
Not everybody has to operate like Brady, But for many years,
a lot of people you know, erroneously had Aaron Rodgers
ranked ahead of Tom Brady. If Tom Brady wanted to
(28:52):
continue his NFL career and met with the team he
had played for the last couple of years, and they
just in twenty seconds, we're moving on. We don't want you.
Do you think his reaction would be like, yeah, I'm
at peace with everything. I'm calm, kind of complacent. There
would be fire, yeah, like coming out of his ears.
(29:15):
If there was an offer on the table and a
team wanted to sign him, you could do better than
the Steelers. You could do a whole lot worse. You
think that Tom Brady is like, Eh, I don't know,
shrug shoulders. I'm not sure, open to anything, not committed yet,
no way. That's the thing that drives me crazy is
there's just no competitive fire there at this point. It's
(29:38):
like what getting your ig clicks where you want them? Like,
what do you do when at this point? And that's
where I'm at with Rogers? If that story is true,
how is this then your reaction of I'm just open
to anything, not committed to anything either, it's like, bro, dude,
like are we playing or not? Like if that's where
you're at, competitively, call it a day.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
So I won't speak to the other to other sports
because I don't know this to be the fact, I don't.
I don't know if you can play other sports at
a high level not being one hundred percent committed. I
know football you can't, right, Brian, Like, it's either right,
you're all the way in or all the way out.
You can't do this thing where you're sort of in.
And you know there are players who talk about this
(30:23):
that are and to be fair, this is my last year.
So I my ninth year I came, I was. I
broke my ankle twice in a year. Essentially three and
sixty four days apart, I broke my left leg, and
that was the end of my eighth year, was what
I did at the second time. And you know, I
went to Detroit my ninth year for office in program
(30:45):
and training camp. But I wasn't all in, you know,
I was trying to just play one more year. My
mind was set basically like, I just didn't want to
end my career on a kart or an injury cart,
right Essentially, I wanted to walk off the field to
end my career. I just wasn't I wasn't all in,
you know, mentally, I knew it was my last year
in the NFL. Was my ninth year. My family was
(31:06):
gonna stay in Charlotte. We were having my second, my
second kid, my daughter, fairly close to training camp, and
I basically just wanted to end my career, not hurt,
and just make another year's salary. It was a minimum salary,
it was it was whatever. And uh yeah, predictably I sucked.
I wasn't good. I was older and beat up, and
(31:27):
I wasn't mentally one hundred percent into into football. And
it's it's hard enough when you're all in football, you know,
and when you're not all in, you should retire. And
you often hear guys talk about, you know that that
idea of like when you start thinking about retirements, when
you should retire, Like, yeah, when you start thinking about it,
is this my last year yet? Yes, it should be
(31:48):
your last year, because I'm telling you, man, you always
to Ron Smith just retired the Cowboys legend. I bet
he's in the same boat where he probably thinks to himself, now,
God should have probably retired after the Cowboys. Yeah, just
you know, look, we all want to we all want
to keep playing. We all want to retire on our
own terms. But that's the reality of it. When you
(32:08):
start thinking about retirement is when you should retire. It's
hard to do that because there are times, obviously that
you can think about retirement down the line. I want
to retire in three years. But if you start thinking
about it like this, like you know what, I think
this is my last year, that's fine to play through that.
But if you're like I kind of want to retire
before training camp, you just retire, man, Like you should
(32:29):
just do it. Yeah, it's hard to play the sport
not all in. It does feel like Rogers has not
been all in. And but what all in does not
mean that you can't have a side hustle. You can
have a podcast and play football, though those can happen. Now.
If you do that, screwtiny is gonna come to your direction.
(32:51):
Like my CAA Parsons is finding out right, you can
do other things and and be all in on football.
I think people think you can only do football. No
that's not that's not true. You can do other things.
But the second you start having those should I retire?
Should I not? In your brain, it's probably you're probably
closer to retirement than you.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Think, right, and especially when a team just kicks you
to the curb, like, how are you not fired up?
Speaker 3 (33:17):
Right?
Speaker 2 (33:17):
If you want to like shove it in there and
face and I can still play that. There's none of
that there with Rogers in that interview. Nothing.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
And if you're the Steelers, I think you listen to
that and you're like, I just don't want that. I
want your point. I have thought about that. It's a
really good point, Like I want a guy all in.
I want a guy y who's who's committed to showing
everyone I still got it. And I think for Rogers too,
like he's lives in this fancy world of waiting for
the perfect opportunity. When you're his age, there's no perfect
(33:50):
opportunity man, Like you've won your super Bowl, Yeah, you've
won your MVPs. Anywhere you go, it's not going to
be the great, great situation unless it's Minnesota. It's still
I guess maybe I think toldly, I hope that McCarthy
has a tough training camp or something, maybe someone gets
hurt in the preseason, But there's there's no perfect situation
to go to right now because everyone has a quarterback
spots filled. And if you're waiting for the opportunity for
(34:13):
the perfect you're not going to find it. And that's
why I think that's he just should tell you I'm done, man,
like going to your broadcasting career, your part, whatever you
whatever podcast, You're gonna do that airic grievances for for
minutes at a time on your own podcast. So yeah,
that's I'm with you. I think it's time to hang
(34:33):
him up. It's time to be done. Oh. I don't
know Roger as well. I just know him based off
of what I hear him say. You went to grow
all things he says, and I certainly do. But it
does not take away with the fact that he is
a first Battle Hall of Famer. He's a football player
and as he will walk right in the Hall of
(34:54):
Fame as soon as he retires.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
And that's why any team is still interested at this
absolutely because of what he's done before.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
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Speaker 2 (35:11):
Okay, Jeff, we got headlines here, all right, headlines a
week from today. We got the NFL drafts first round
on Thursday, right, So what will the headlines be on Friday?
What do you have for us? I know you've got
a couple of these line Now what's your first one?
Speaker 3 (35:32):
Well, so I've got a couple different directions here, But
I think I think that at least as of now,
we're gonna say to ourselves, man, that was boring.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Really okay?
Speaker 3 (35:44):
Yeah? Yeah, I mean I'll have some other ones I
think are more fun.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
But I think, man, that was boring.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
Huh Yeah, Like I have I have some hot takes
with the draft, I think they're more just wishful thinking.
But Brian, this is a draft where I just everyone
has their original first round pick at the moment, right,
think about that. Every so that there's been no movement,
and we know that these younger general managers we see
around the NFL, they love they love draft trades. They
(36:13):
trade all the time, way more than ever before. Our
team's trading except this year because it's not a year
with a ton of premium talent. As far as there
might be a lot of pros that will get they'll
play a lot of ball in this draft, but there's
not a lot of guys that I think that teams
are gonna are willing to give up future picks to
(36:34):
acquire this season, you know what I mean, Brian, So
I think we're just gonna have a boring draft, not
a lot of trades. We're gonna have the top six
or seven guys be the top six or seven guys,
and we're gonna get to Friday and be like, oh,
that kind of just went as expected.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
I don't know. I see where you're coming from. But
every year some team gets overly aggressive or what just
does makes the.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
Reach pig headline. You know, I have those headlines down
up for for on. It's my turn again. I have
I have some of those in in in the in
the bank. Buddy, don't worry.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Okay, I don't expect anyone to have this headline. But
if I were writing for a newspaper and I needed
to come up with the headline, this would be my headline, Jeff,
it would be Titans blow it by taking Ward. That's
what I've come up.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
Well, I'm surprised you're not a newspaper editor with that.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Yeah, right, I've been the wrong professionally. I'm reading, you know,
like the Dollar Shave Club reads, and it's strewing them up. Royally.
I should be in the newspaper business. Good lord, what
am I doing?
Speaker 3 (37:43):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (37:43):
Yeah, I just we've been over this, but I just
would not pass on either Travis Hunter or Abdul Carter
for cam Ward. Cam Ward he's evaluated by the best
of the best doing this. That doesn't mean it's gospel,
but a lot of people will tell you he'd be
the seventh quarter back off the board last year. And
you're spending the number one overall pick on him when
(38:05):
you've got a two way player in Travis Hunter and
a game wrecker and Abdul Carter. That just doesn't make
any sense to me. And let's just not act like
this is the Titans only crack at finding a franchise quarterback,
Like the number one pick in the twenty twenty five
draft is not your only crack at finding a franchise quarterback.
(38:27):
I don't know why we're acting like that.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
Yeah, yeah, that I I I think too about Tennessee
is that you know, Brian Callahan, their head coach, he
needs cam Wored to save his job and he's not
the one picking the players, I don't think. But you know,
if they have another four or five season, like he's
out of there as a head coach too, and obviously,
if you're able to keep the draft cam Ward, you
(38:51):
buy us off a little bit of time. That could
be some of the consideration. They have a new GM,
so the GM won't feel that that certain way as well.
Another headline I've been I've been workshopping this. I think
it's unlikely to happen, but wow, it would be great.
Something like the Steelers go bold. I don't even know
what that was, hell of would but they basically draft
(39:14):
should dear Sanders at eight. They trade up to eight
ahead of the Saints.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
Yeah, and they take Shadgar Sanders because as of right now, okay,
there is there's Mason Rudolph on the Steelers roster as quarterback.
That's Kyra Thompson. That's it. Aaron Rodgers is not gonna
be a Pittsburgh Steeler between now and Thursday. Are they
going to go into the draft to be Are they
(39:38):
gonna end the round one with with no quarterback in
their pocket and just hope that someone in round two
is there for the taking or are they gonna be
They're gonna do something bold for the anti Steelers trade
up to eight for Sanders knowing the Saints might take
him at nine and just have yourself a quarterback. The
(39:58):
Steelers go prime time. You can't do primetime. It's not
yeah it's primetime. Son. Also, just we want to set
this in here. Retiring his number at Colorado is a
little much.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
That's a bit much. Yeah, like I get Travis Hunter
to get that.
Speaker 3 (40:16):
But normally, but like I've seen this take it. I
think it's totally down. They've barely retired numbers for the championship.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
Team in Yeah.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
Right, if if you're gonna do this for Sanders and Hunter,
how do you not retire any of the All Americans
that won your championships? Like you're doing this now, You're
we're tiring the number like it's tomorrow. They're doing it.
I think right, they're retired to number tomorrow at the
spring game. And I saw Dion say that if his
(40:46):
last name was in Sanders, this wouldn't be a story. Well,
if last say it wasn't there, he wouldn't kid his
number retired. He he went thirteen and twelve
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