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The guys react to breaking news that the Steelers will trade George Pickens to the Cowboys after Jerry Jones promised a big move was in the works. Notre Dame’s new rivalry could threaten their long-standing one with USC. Plus midweek awards on The Good, The Bad, The Ugly.

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Speaker 4 (01:03):
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Speaker 3 (01:04):
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program here on this Wednesday morning, and I would like
to start off by apologizing there was a lot of sarcasm,
but I want to apologize to one Jerry Jones. He
was talking about a substantial trade being done this offseason.

(01:28):
I thought he was just full of crap, and he
was having a couple of iced teas, maybe with a
little bit of booze mixed in, and he just threw
out a bunch of stuff to try and please Cowboy
fans who are not happy about the current state of
the team, and then all of a sudden, this went.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
Down breaking news from Fox Sports.

Speaker 3 (01:47):
According to Adam Schefter of ESPN, the Dallas Cowboys and
Pittsburgh Steelers are working to finalize a trade that will
send wide receiver George Pickens to the Cowboys in exchange
for draft pick compensation. The trade is expected to be
finalized today. It's the second time in six months the
Cowboys have traded for a wide receiver. In November, the

(02:08):
Cowboys acquired wide receiver Jonathan Mingo and a twenty twenty
five seventh round pick from the Panthers in exchange for
a twenty twenty five fourth round pick. Now the Cowboys
are dealing for another receiver, George Pickens. Schefter went on
to say soon to be Cowboys wide receiver George Pickens
is headed into the last year of his contract and
we'll want a new deal. His agent happens to be

(02:29):
David Mullagetta, whose name Cowboys owner Jerry Jones said he
did not know while talking about a new deal for
Micah Parsons.

Speaker 4 (02:37):
So here we go.

Speaker 3 (02:39):
That's the substantial trade Jerry Jones was talking about, and
apparently it'll be George Pickens later today to the Dallas Cowboys.

Speaker 5 (02:46):
So I won't make some glory hill thank you. Je
oh wow, okay, thank you? All right, all right, easy there, Jerry,
don't get too excited now, this this makes a lot
of sense. You mentioned they did this last year and
training for ming I don't know that they got what
they're hoping for out of Jonathan Mingo, but you add
Pickens alongside Ceedee Lamb and that's quite the tandem. So

(03:10):
I think they've got they've got what they're looking for. Look,
they the didn't spend a draft pick on a wide
receiver in this year's draft, and that maybe led to
some signs that there was something in the works or
that they were going to address it in some capacity.
We knew this was a potential issue not just because
of how last season ended for Pittsburgh, but also when

(03:30):
you bring in DK Metcalf, there's probably a thought that, well,
George Pickens can't be excited about having to share the
ball or maybe being the number two receiver to DK
Metcalf and some of their other options there in Pittsburgh
with that trade. So it makes a lot of sense
from you know, try to get an extension how things
have maybe gone there in Pittsburgh so far, but also

(03:51):
the need of the Dallas Cowboys. So look at Jerry Man,
a man of his word. We got we gotta trust
him with it.

Speaker 1 (03:58):
It certainly will be much CE TV because Ceedee Lamb
does not like when he does not get the ball,
and by what we've seen out of how George Pickens
handles things, who who I mean, I guess it's gonna
come down to how they situate the lockers make I guess,

(04:20):
make sure you put Ceedee Lamb and and and George
Pickens strategically right next to one another in the locker
room so that they can talk and have Kumbaya moments
and stuff like that and be okay going on to
the field. But like I said, I never met a
receiver that wasn't always open, and I never met a

(04:41):
receiver that got enough balls. Pause and and you you know,
listening to the sound bite that we we heard from
from Eleak Neighbors the other the other day and listening
to him talk about, you know, you got three receivers,
you got a tight end, you may release a back.

(05:02):
You're talking about five options of throwing the ball to
Will there be enough balls for Ceed Lamb and George
Pickens to catch in Dallas? And how does that? How
does that work? I think that that's going to be

(05:22):
when this happens, that's going to be one of the
singular biggest things that Brian Schottenheimer and co. Will have
to manage as it applies to what you're doing with
this group. And as far as as I'm concerned with
the Steelers, you are getting out of a situation where,

(05:45):
you know, maybe maybe they've already maybe he's made it clear,
Pickings and his representation have already made it clear that
they're not playing without a new contract, and the Steelers
don't want to do it. So this is something that
they're they're doing out of a necessity. But is this
Steelers team putting themselves in position.

Speaker 6 (06:06):
To win this year.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
If I'm looking at this current Steelers team where they
are at right now, that would have to be an
emphatic no, they're not.

Speaker 6 (06:17):
So is this is this a rebuilt year?

Speaker 1 (06:20):
Like in the truest sense of rebuild, because I don't
know how they're going to compete in such a competitive
division with what what their roster looks like today.

Speaker 5 (06:33):
Does that change of Aaron Rodgers signs there?

Speaker 6 (06:37):
Who is he throwing it to?

Speaker 5 (06:39):
Well, you still have dk Metcalf, Calvin Alson stepped up
as a gadget. You know, they drafted Robert Watson last year,
a fine rookie season, and then don't forget they signed
Robert Woods and he's still to me, got a lot
left in the tank.

Speaker 6 (06:54):
I mean, do you feel confident in those names? I
mean if if.

Speaker 5 (07:00):
You had friarm youth to that, if you look at
their backfield, their run game, Yeah, and they've got kind
of don't forget, they've got Cordero Patison as a returner
slash kind of a slash player for them too. In
this offense. I think they have enough. That's who your
quarterback is.

Speaker 1 (07:14):
If you get Aaron Rodgers, that might be talking me
slightly off the ledge, But just because it is Aaron Rodgers,
I'm gonna stay with my feet on the ledge because
I don't know what type of player I'm going to
get or what's going to happen.

Speaker 6 (07:27):
With him being the quarterback.

Speaker 3 (07:28):
If they were really planning on rebuilding there, they wouldn't
have traded for DK Metcalf and they wouldn't have even
had this conversation or waiting game with Rogers. They just say,
all right, let's tear it down to the studs and
let's go. But I think they do believe Rodgers are
going to be there, and if he's there, yeah, they
got a shot.

Speaker 6 (07:44):
What if he's not good?

Speaker 1 (07:46):
What if what if he's what if he's not up
to the standard of what you need your quarterback to be.
At this point in his career, it's very possible that
he doesn't live up to the standard and expect So
if he doesn't, does it just mean up?

Speaker 6 (08:02):
That's it?

Speaker 3 (08:03):
Who's up next, Who's who's behind him, who's backing him up?
The goal shouldn't be is he good enough to win
you a Super Bowl? The goal should be is he
good enough to keep Mike Tomlin's winning season record attack.

Speaker 6 (08:17):
See you're being lit.

Speaker 3 (08:20):
I'm half kidding. No, you're not half kids. I do
believe that that's that's a major story here. You're being
a smart ass. What you're doing, You're doing like that.
They really do hold on to that. That's like precious gold,
Mike Tomlins just like.

Speaker 1 (08:34):
The Ravens, like preseason record like that's like always a note.
I mean, I don't think it's about him getting a
winning record. It is one about them winning the AFC
North and being a favorite as they approached the playoffs,
being a contender.

Speaker 6 (08:54):
I mean, they're not going to win.

Speaker 3 (08:55):
The division, but they could be a playoff team.

Speaker 1 (08:58):
Well that's the expectation. And if that's not what's being sold,
and if that's not what they're seeking to achieve, then
that's going to put a lot of pressure on on corporate,
you know, to make decisions. They're going to have to
decide what they're going to do. Because I don't think

(09:21):
winning seasons is crazy to think that, but which because
it does make sense in the old NFL, especially it
makes sense I mean not too long ago. I mean
you look at what Marvin Lewis was able to do. Hell,
Jason Garrett was there for a while. You can look
at numerous coaches that have had a long, long leash

(09:45):
in terms of what they're able to do just because
the team is winning, and you don't get they don't
get rid of coaches. But I don't know that that's
going to continue to last in Pittsburgh. I don't know
if that's the catalysts or that's deciding I got to
just have a winning record this year.

Speaker 3 (10:02):
I got a bad feeling about this George Pickens and
Dallas matchup.

Speaker 5 (10:07):
That's that's I think it's the underrated conversation is I mean,
he's gonna go wild at Dallas.

Speaker 3 (10:13):
I mean he was already not happy, you know, in
Pittsburgh they had to talk to him multiple times over.
Now he's gonna be in dallalls with with no extension
in place, He's gonna have to deal with Ceedee Lamb
being the top target. Jake Ferguson's there, he gets a
bunch of balls thrown his way. So you've got that

(10:33):
in Dallas, no contract extension and an agent who the
owner has already said, I don't know who that guy is.

Speaker 4 (10:41):
This this thing could go sideways.

Speaker 3 (10:45):
That really could go with a first time head coach
who just moves moved chairs in the locker room because
he thought that would ignite some fire under some people.
This thing could be a disaster.

Speaker 5 (10:55):
George Picker is gonna be.

Speaker 6 (10:57):
Which a boy.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
The way people are getting upset about me saying that
that's wow to stand on that hill and die on
like I'm with him, that's crazy.

Speaker 5 (11:04):
Here's the thing is, it's it's hard to and I
get it because it does sound goofy, but I have
you back. And when we talked about.

Speaker 6 (11:10):
Yes you did, I mean they don't understand it.

Speaker 1 (11:12):
I don't think there's a sentimental especially like again, I
use Daryl Green as an example. Darryl Green was probably
on year like sixteen or something like that when I
got there seventeen eighteen, something like that. This man had
his locker, the same locker for probably fourteen or so

(11:36):
years of that time. And to shake it up, you're
going to move that man's locker without having the conversation.
I'm not saying don't don't shake things up or move
things around or whatever, but you need to understand that.
And he does Schottenheimer one hundred percent. He's been around
it too long. You got to talk to your vets

(11:57):
on stuff like that. When there's things where there's root
team created, like, don't compare this to your office building,
don't compare it to your profession. Don't compare it because
it's not comparable, and I'm sorry it's not. But when
you have created a habit and this is your place

(12:17):
and you've earn't the right to be a veteran where
you've been in that organization for so long, where you've
established like, imagine if you came in there, maybe this
one works better instead of Darryl Green. Maybe people don't
relate to it. Imagine if you came in and told
Tom Brady or Peyton Manning or Patrick Mahomes that they
got to use a different locker.

Speaker 6 (12:39):
Like some of these guys had.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
Like didn't Tom Brady have two lockers one with his
stuff and one for stuff that he signed.

Speaker 6 (12:48):
Like dude had. Some of these dudes have more.

Speaker 1 (12:50):
Than one locker, Like like to act like there's some
type of like, oh, just shut up and play football,
Like that's not how it works. Oh yes it is.
Nothing else has worked in Dallas. Well, you know what,
that ain't gonna add. That's certainly probably going to add
to the list of things that didn't work.

Speaker 4 (13:08):
Yeah, but you can't like these are like I'm telling
some of these fans.

Speaker 3 (13:12):
Here you go, they've got Stockholm syndrome. They'll just buy
whatever the organization sells them because they have no choice,
Like oh yeah, yeah, no, this is a great idea.
They can't just be critical that. Yeah, that makes sense.

Speaker 5 (13:25):
So that's where the Cowboys fans are.

Speaker 1 (13:27):
Yeahs for you real, you chose to chose to come
for me over lockers being shifted and changed.

Speaker 5 (13:34):
Screw you?

Speaker 6 (13:37):
Yeah, yeah, take that.

Speaker 3 (13:40):
By the way, Jordan Schultz, who is up and awake
and he is tweeting about the deal, Uh, he did
say that it is a third round pick back to
the Steelers and day three pick swap for the Cowboys
in exchange for George Piketts.

Speaker 6 (13:53):
They do not think very highly of him.

Speaker 5 (13:56):
No, that's kind of the going rate though, Is that
the going right?

Speaker 6 (13:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (13:59):
You look at some of the receivers who want a
new deal, they go for about a third and something
like a third and to fifth. Didn't it was it
ab Remember they sent a b to the Raiders. Wasn't
that for a third and fifth?

Speaker 6 (14:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (14:11):
Yeah, there's been a there's been a number of receivers
that's been it's been somewhere in that, somewhere in that
standing to be corrected.

Speaker 1 (14:21):
His career when he left, when he left Pittsburgh.

Speaker 5 (14:25):
Right now, there was baggage there, which I think we're
a baggage.

Speaker 1 (14:28):
Yeah, yeah, but maybe that the playing aspect of it
was that true, But who knew what.

Speaker 5 (14:34):
Was one of the things though, on the outside, I
think we don't value third round picks as much as
teams do. I mean, that's one of the reasons why
there's compensatory picks, and when teams get those third round
compensatory picks, it's huge. But you're talking about getting a
top one hundred player. I mean when we say that
like that, that's the reality. Like you're talking about getting
a top one hundred prospect in the NFL Draft, the

(14:57):
best out of college. Then you're gonna get for much cheaper.
And so if a team is willing to say to you,
all right, here's what we're willing to do with our organization.
We are willing to give a guy away who we
feel like might be you know, he's a thousand yard receiver,
a really good player, but we don't feel like he's
gonna be worth the money and the headache that comes

(15:18):
along with him. We'd rather take another player at that
third round spot. He's gonna be cheaper, and we feel
like we'll be able to produce just as much, or
we can find a starter at that position, you know,
just as easily as we can pay George Pickens and
then deal with all that.

Speaker 6 (15:34):
So well, I get it.

Speaker 1 (15:38):
I guess it was fun while it last, did, Buddy,
Good luck to you so long. Yeah, well, listen, George
Pickens is in Dallas. The Steelers got some draft capital
and now they just wait, wait, wait on Aaron Rodgers.
Hopefully that'll get done soon. But again, apologies to Jerry Jones.
He said it, he did say it, and they made

(16:01):
a move and now we just wait for the fireworks.
It is two pros and a cup of Joe. Here
on Fox Sports Radio, LeVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox
with you. So again, if you're just listening in. I mean,
he was a second round draft pick too. It was
not like he was a first rounder. He was in
the second round. He's talented though, man, he is talented.

Speaker 3 (16:19):
George Pickens expected to be traded and finalized later today,
George Pickens on his way from Pittsburgh to Dallas. He
will be a Dallas Cowboy in exchange for some draft picks.
That was the breaking news that just popped up a
short time ago here on Fox Sports Radio. All right,
So coming up next here, though, we are going to
tell you about a brand new rivalry in the world

(16:43):
of football. And this thing's got the potential of ending
another We'll get into that for you here on FSR.

Speaker 7 (16:49):
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Speaker 3 (17:05):
Two Pros and a couple of Jarnovs Warts Radio, LaVar Arrington,
Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you here. Coming up twenty
minutes from now, we are going to have our midweek Awards,
The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly. They'll be yours
here on FSR. It's good, by the way, It's going
to be a painful edition of The Good, the Bad,
and the Ugly because I've got something that i don't

(17:27):
want to have to do.

Speaker 5 (17:28):
But it needs to be done.

Speaker 3 (17:29):
That'll be happening here about twenty minutes from now. We
have ourselves a rivalry that'll extend on for many years
to come because starting in twenty twenty seven, Clemson Notre
Dame a twelve year scheduling agreement and they will play
against each other annually through twenty thirty eight. Brady Quinn

(17:54):
talk about here we go. During COVID, the Irish took
over the ACC.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
Yeah, and now they're.

Speaker 4 (18:02):
Coming back for more on a long term basis.

Speaker 6 (18:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (18:04):
I mean, well, the ACC championship game didn't go away
with the ACC regular season domin. Look, this has become a
pretty cool more recent rival I guess if you will
for Notre Dame, Yeah, strike that up, baby. But this
is good for college football fans for a number of reasons.
I know a lot of people are like, oh, come on,

(18:26):
Notre Dame, join a conference, Join a conference. All right, folks,
Here's I'll give you a few issues with that. The
first is, we are your best non conference game. So
if you want your team to schedule some awesome non
conference games, because you might, especially as we get to
these bigger conferences, you might end up having some crappy

(18:48):
conference schedules, right, maybe there's only one or two home games.
This is your chance to have a great premiere, big
time non conference game, and that's what Notre Dame has
become for every school day on their schedule. So you're
welcome for that. The second thing is it's good for
college football in the sense that you now get another
marquee game every single year with two top programs. Now,

(19:14):
outside of certain rivalries and certain conferences, you don't always
get that, like, yes you get Ohio State Michigan every year.
Yes you get Ohio State Penn State. Maybe there's a
world if the Big Ten continues to expand that you
don't always get Ohio State and Penn State because as
these conferences get so big, you don't really have the
divisions anymore. It kind of gets broken up and there
becomes more of a rotation with exception of a few

(19:36):
so you still get, now in this scenario, a marquee
matchup to look forward to every single year. And on
top of that, I would just say for this for
Notre Dame, it solidifies them as part of the conversation
with them being able to play for a national championship
and the reason why I say that is because if
they're able to continue to do this as an independent,

(19:59):
which this game does count as one of the games
that per the agreement with the ACC, Notre Dame has
to play five ACC schools a year. This counts as
part of that. But that being said, it still allows
them to put together a schedule with other blue bloods,
other powerhouses in college football that stands up to other conferences,

(20:20):
and even though they don't play in a conference championship game,
it still allows them to have a schedule that is
daunting at times. And you don't have to look any
further than that. I think it's twenty twenty nine where
they play Alabama, Texas, Clemson now and maybe FSU, and
then maybe Miami, which they're still working on FSU in

(20:40):
Miami scheduling an annual game against them a home and
home for the next twelve years. I think the only
one in question now is Southern cal but we can
get to that in a second. This is huge though,
for Clemson two for this reason. With the new agreement
after the Clemson FSU lawsuit, what they basically settled an agree

(21:00):
between the ACC and ESPN is that a team that
basically generates more revenue based on their viewership. They'll get
sixty percent of that revenue from the ACC or you know,
from the ESPN deal with the ACC, they'll get a
larger percentage of that cut. So it's good for Clemson
too because they now know they've got a game that's

(21:21):
going to rate, that's going to help them get paid
more than other schools within their conference and separate them
from everyone else. So it's kind of good all the
way around.

Speaker 4 (21:32):
Yeah, I just I look at it.

Speaker 3 (21:33):
I don't see like there's a win for everybody involved
because and you mentioned, like one of the conversations we
had last year about Notre Dame when they lost that
the game early on in the year was if they
make a run, is there a quality win on the
schedule for them to be considered a playoff team. Well,
now you don't have to worry about that, Like this

(21:54):
is a marquee matchup for them every single year, guaranteed
among all the other matchups that you mentioned. I just
look at it and go. And on top of that,
you're creating a great rival with teams that have history
of playing great games already together and we're already scheduled
to play each other. Now they're just you know, maxing
it out up until twenty thirty eight. Like I look

(22:14):
at it and I go, this is a win for everybody.
I don't see the downside to any of this, So
try to help this out there.

Speaker 5 (22:21):
Yeah, well, I'll ask you this labarn Is this not though,
because typically conferences will handle a lot of the scheduling.
Now it's a little unique with Notre Dame and the
ACC because again they only play five and that's that's
kind of their partial membership agreement. But it almost lends
me to think too that the ACC is going to

(22:43):
be around. But when you have an independent signing these
sorts of deals, and if they start doing this with
Miami and they do it with FSU, it creates a
safe haven for their schedule to exist regardless of the
existence of the ACC. I mean, we've seen manu mental
changes to college football with different conferences. Obviously the Big

(23:03):
ten SEC are leading the way, and it feels like
the ACC and the Big twelve are not an afterthought
but more of a second tier. And if that's the case,
and if this continues to expand and adapt and change,
you would think that if two conferences take the hit
it's gonna be acc in the Big twelve. And if
that's the case, it's like, well, their name's already got schedule.

(23:24):
With these teams moving forward, three of the biggest brands
in the AEC.

Speaker 6 (23:28):
They just have to stay relevant.

Speaker 1 (23:30):
You know, like there was there, you know, Clemson looked
like for a second there they might be losing, you know,
that relevance that they the cache that they once had,
and they they kind of picked it up, you know.
They they finished out pretty strong last last season. Miami

(23:50):
they obviously stay relevant and did well and got the
number one pick in the draft this year.

Speaker 6 (23:57):
So I would say.

Speaker 1 (23:59):
If you're doing a long term deal such as this
as an independent, and even if you say out of conference,
like you schedule games with an out of conference opponent,
I think there's definitely strong advantages to how that will
play into you getting into you know, being able to

(24:19):
go to the playoff, the College playoff or not. And
I think it does create the value of trying to
create a you know, a long term rivalry type of situation.
You know it's there. I just think that it just
all depends on the relevance of the program. Like Miami
could slip into mediocrity. There's the possibility they could. I mean,

(24:43):
doesn't seem likely the way that NIL is going, but
there's always that possibility. And the same exists with Clemson.
They could slip into mediocrity. But as long as they
stay above above water on on that aspect of it,
I think that is a tremendous win for both, you know,

(25:04):
both Notre Dame and the teams that they you know,
would Clemson and if it were to be Miami as well.

Speaker 3 (25:12):
So the other aspect of this, I want to throw
this out there, and you know, obviously get Petros's thoughts
on this the USC alum, but there's been some speculation
that maybe this could impact the Notre Dame USC rivalry.

Speaker 8 (25:27):
Which which why yeah, why why doesn't Why would that
have anything to do with Notre Dame USC outside of
USC hinting at trying to back out of this rivalry.

Speaker 4 (25:36):
Last year, their athletic director.

Speaker 3 (25:38):
USC's athletic director Jennifer Cone told The Athletic back in
February on the rivalry with Notre Dame, quote, We're now
playing in a conference where we fly back and forth
across the country every other week, so we remain in
conversation with Notre Dame about the series. I think we're
clear to each other that we're going to continue to
evaluate what's best, and it's my job to evaluate what's

(25:58):
best for our student at Fleets and our program.

Speaker 5 (26:01):
It's like, by the way, so that lends yourself to
say that, then okay, Well, Jen, if you're doing it
every other week and you know you signed up for
the payday you're getting from the Big Ten, then what's
the difference. It's not like you're doing that every year
to fly to play Notre Dame. It's a home and home.
You alternate years doing that, and you're already flying there anyway,

(26:21):
So are you complaining about one more trip? Are you
complaining about you joining the Big Ten conference? And this
is the bed that you've got to lay in? Do
you want me to tell you the truth?

Speaker 6 (26:32):
The truth?

Speaker 3 (26:32):
Is this?

Speaker 5 (26:32):
You the last time USC beat Notre Dame in South Bend?

Speaker 6 (26:36):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (26:36):
Oh no, I'm just I'm asking you. Do you know
last time? Twenty eleven? It's the last time USC beat
Notre Dame in South Bend.

Speaker 1 (26:47):
So basically, what you're saying is this is co work
for Wave in the White Flag.

Speaker 5 (26:53):
What they're saying is like, oh, we'd love to play you,
but you got to come out here and play on
our terms. I mean, think about this. Even the time
at which they play Southern Cow, it's never late in
the season. I mean, Notre Dame does Southern cal a
favor in that regard. For Notre Dame, it ends up
being late in the seasons around Thanksgiving, and it's never
that way for Southern Cow. They've always they always got

(27:15):
to come out and play in South Bend when it's
earlier in the season, that midpoint where the weather hasn't
really turned. They don't have to ever worry about sniffing
snow or anything like that, you know, or like cold
weather temperature or cold weather.

Speaker 6 (27:26):
Game makes a difference.

Speaker 5 (27:27):
And on top of that, like here's how it comes
off as and then the look people will saying, wha,
you're just salty about it. It's like, well, no, I
played versus Southern Cow during their greatest run in the
history of their program. And people can try to take
issue with that, you'd be dead wrong. And what I'd
say is that no point that Notre Dames say, oh,
we shouldn't do this rivalry anymore. We shouldn't do it anymore.

(27:50):
They never said that. They're always just looking for trying
to find ways to win. And on top of that,
it feels like it's a bit of like a front
runner mentality in the sense that because they've struggled of late,
now what because it hasn't gone their way? Because they've
won once basically in the past what eight years, Now

(28:12):
all of a sudden you want to give up the rivalry,
like you can't take this run of success for Notre
Dame when that's how series always are. I mean, Notre
Dame beat Southern Cow for a decade straight, even more
than that from eighty three to about ninety five. I
think there's a tie somewhere in there. And by the way,

(28:33):
before that streak started, you would see it won five
straight and so you could go back through the history
of a rivalry like this that is as storied as
there is, that is a part of the fabric of
college football and what makes college football great, and you
just what casts it aside because it hasn't worked out
in your favor, or because now you're going to say, well,

(28:55):
we have to travel you know, back east every other week.
You signed up for it, and you signed up for
this rivalry way back when it predates you and it's
part of what makes again college football great. It just
it ticks me off, man, It really does when you
get people who step into a position like this and

(29:16):
want to try to end something that's been so good,
really for both sides, but so good for the sport
of college football, the fans, everyone else. And I'll go
as far as saying this, when you look at how
college football has now gone from a regional sport to
a more national sport, especially including teams like Southern Cow, who,
along with UCLA, was one of the first movers to

(29:37):
join the Big Ten. Might add Oregon Washington came after
that fact. Notre Dame having this rivalry versus Southern Cow
created this more national sense of how big college football
could be one day. And whether or not people want
to say that it led to the USC joining the
Big Ten, it played a role because you saw how

(30:00):
you could do that every other year and having a
West Coast team go play a team in the Midwest
or a team out east, and you could get that done.
And they've done it for decades and now that's now
it's off the table because you're not having enough succession
on winning.

Speaker 3 (30:17):
The rivalries are really all that we've got left from
the college football that we kind of grew up with
because everything has changed so much now and conferences and
teams moving. It's why when they get when Mike Mike
Gundy was like, no, we're not going to do bedlam anymore,
and he started pointing the finger at Oklahoma, it's like, well,
I feel like you probably could have figured out a

(30:39):
way to keep that going. The fact that that's no
longer a rivalry and that's not going to be happening
like that bums me out because that is college football.
That's sort of what we grew up with, and that's
really what made college football special. And then on the
USC front, when they're talking about, well, we've got to
take into account, you know, you know how many times
we travel on our student athletes, It's almost like they

(31:00):
didn't realize that they would actually have to travel before
they joined the Big Ten. Like I wonder if they
thought they were going to be able to do everything
on zoom and then then all of a sudden they
got into this deal, like, oh wait, so we actually
have to go like travel to places like potentially state
college or some of these other places out there, and
it's going to be a long trip. Well yeah, like
that's that's part of why when you took the money.

(31:21):
That's part of the deal. And so to come back
afterwards and bitch about it, you know, kind of comical,
but I.

Speaker 1 (31:26):
Mean it's it's it's a it's a unique rivalry though,
because of the amount of space in between them.

Speaker 6 (31:35):
Like usually rivalries are very close. They're very close.

Speaker 1 (31:39):
Like you you get rivalries between Miami and Florida, or
Miami and Florida State, or Florida State in Florida, you
get the backyard brawl between you know, Pittsburgh and West Virginia,
or you get penn State versus pitt you know, even
Ohio State Michigan. That's that's it's probably the large just

(32:00):
of them all, and they're right next to each other.
So rivalries generally are are driven by how closely, you know,
how close in proximity the schools are. So to have
a rivalry that is like basically coast to coast and
and and it being the fighting Irish and you know,

(32:24):
the Trojans, I mean, it's.

Speaker 6 (32:25):
A unique game.

Speaker 1 (32:27):
It's a unique rival game all in itself, because it's
like it's your side versus our side. It's it's not
it's not close, it's not jump on on a bus
and go play the game. It's you do have to travel.
So I think it does have like a really cool
uniqueness to it. I just watched the thirty for thirty

(32:49):
on the you know, convicts and Catholics versus convicts, and
and that was even to me super super cool seeing
what had had kind of been created between I think
it's because of what Notre Dame represents, how big they

(33:09):
they are within the football world that no matter who
they play, as a big brand, it's it has the
potential to be branded and labeled as a rivalry game.
I felt like our rivalry got reunited, you know, or
reignited playing in this this this semi final game this year,
you know, because people may not remember that, but there

(33:31):
was a rivalry between the Penn State because we were
independence too, you know. So yeah, yeah, So I think
it's Notre Dame that plays a part in it, because
it's you got Miami, You've had Penn State involved in it,
you got USC involved in it, and they're an independent.
I think that it's it's easy to see why you
would want to connect and attach a serious game that

(33:54):
matters and means something when you're playing against the Irish.
So I mean, everybody wants to beat them, you know
what I mean. So it's kind of I think that's
a cool reputation to have, you know, if you're a school.
So there's that everybody wants to beat him. Oh yeah,
everybody wants to beat them. Yeah, I mean it's the truth.
I like Notre Damn hey man, Yeah, that's that's that's

(34:19):
admiration and respect when you want to beat somebody, you
know what I mean. If they don't matter, they don't matter.
But Notre Dame has mattered for a long time, so
give them problem.

Speaker 5 (34:28):
You kind of made a statement like is this kind
of like East Coast versus West Coast? Is that how
you you look at it a little.

Speaker 6 (34:32):
Bit with the U s C.

Speaker 5 (34:36):
The U s C Notre Dame, Like you're leading into
like a Biggie verus Tupac.

Speaker 3 (34:41):
Yeah, real talk, come to death row Yeah you know
you got well, I ain't going to do that.

Speaker 1 (34:49):
Did Diddy and sug I mean both of them ended
up in the clink. Why is my soft ass, going
to catch you straight.

Speaker 5 (34:56):
You're on the West coast, man, you cost ye. Just
because you root for teams back out east doesn't mean
you're a part of it.

Speaker 4 (35:03):
Yeah it's true, but I'm on the hater five.

Speaker 3 (35:05):
Man.

Speaker 1 (35:05):
You did college campus by yourself. I was on the field. Yeah,
you were on the field. I was did you did
you scary people on the field? You look like a vampire?

Speaker 6 (35:16):
Tell you off there? Yeah, that's like.

Speaker 5 (35:21):
That was like Lee and Jonas at the semi final
game for the name Penn State.

Speaker 4 (35:24):
Yeah, we were both.

Speaker 5 (35:25):
Underneath the tunnel, like, how the hell do you guys
get down here? We showed our Lee, why do you
have a beer?

Speaker 3 (35:31):
We shout, We showed our linebacker you shirts and that
that's all.

Speaker 6 (35:35):
That's all you needed, Like.

Speaker 5 (35:36):
Who you are?

Speaker 6 (35:37):
Never mind?

Speaker 5 (35:38):
No, Lee got some credentials and somehow they're allowed to
be down there. I was like, hey, Lee, where's my
credential for that? He's like, uh, I put it in
too later.

Speaker 6 (35:47):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (35:48):
Shouldn't you always get creditial for everyone? That was just
in case.

Speaker 4 (35:52):
That one still doesn't make sense to me. I still
don't understand that you didn't get a credential. I don't
get it.

Speaker 3 (35:59):
I don't understand. And there was just no aunt like yeah,
I just you know, couldn't couldn't make it happen. How
did Brady not get a credential to the Orange Bowl?

Speaker 4 (36:07):
We had a credential for him.

Speaker 5 (36:10):
We just for some I don't know why you didn't
have a credential for me.

Speaker 6 (36:15):
You couldn't get out on the field, Brady.

Speaker 5 (36:18):
No, I could. I was I had to present before
the game for the Hall of Fame committee because I'm
on the Orange Bowl committee. But Lee's making an absolute
lie on live radio right now. You never gave me
a credentially. I never did even remember this whole conversation. No,
of course, because you didn't have one. I talked to
several people, people that you'd talk to as well, that
said they had the credential for you, had a certain

(36:40):
a credential.

Speaker 6 (36:42):
Uh did we have a No?

Speaker 1 (36:43):
No, because you had never got Oh because because I, oh, okay,
you had to change. Yeah, I told you to for
any event, you should always apply that my own spine,
I did apply for Credit's got you credential?

Speaker 8 (37:02):
Lee.

Speaker 5 (37:06):
I wish people knew the relationship we have with you
and how we'll say something like this on live air
and you turn around be like, yeah, I lied about it.

Speaker 3 (37:12):
It gives me, It gives me back pain to be
honest with you, Like I get back.

Speaker 5 (37:16):
Guys, I'm going back up to my room. I'm not
going to go back down to the bar and hammer
six more hurricanes. Okay, Lee.

Speaker 3 (37:22):
Every day we did smash some hurricanes and some Yeah,
but if you had a decent mattress, you'd probably want
to go back to your room.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
Ah.

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Speaker 4 (37:45):
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe.

Speaker 3 (37:47):
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Speaker 7 (37:51):
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Speaker 4 (38:02):
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe.

Speaker 3 (38:03):
Fox Sports Radio, LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with
you here coming up top of next hour. About ten
minutes from now, we are going to catch up with
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Speaker 7 (38:29):
There are some good things that happen, and there's some bad,
and then there's some downright ugly things.

Speaker 2 (38:35):
It's time for good, bad and lovely?

Speaker 1 (38:39):
All right?

Speaker 6 (38:39):
Lead to laugh? Who's got what?

Speaker 3 (38:41):
As we do each and every Wednesday, we start with
the good and you know it's.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
A good week because Brady's delivering the goods.

Speaker 5 (38:46):
Oh what up, homies? All right, I'm gonna go a
little offscript here, what out and talk about something? Uh,
you guys are not interested in. But Scottie Scheffler beat
the absolutely living crap out of everyone at the Byron
Nelson this past weekend. I think he was like, was
it minus thirty one minus thirty two something?

Speaker 6 (39:03):
Like that.

Speaker 5 (39:04):
Lee, I think he tied a PGA record. I mean
it it was kind of boring because it wasn't really close.
It was more like he was gonna get second. But
he was better than good. He was great and he
is an absolute pleasure to watch a cool dude as
well off the course, so better than good, more like great.
But Scotti Sheffer was phenomenal.

Speaker 6 (39:26):
Can't have good without the bad? Jonas what was bad
this week?

Speaker 3 (39:29):
Boxing man the Ryan Garcia Devin Hayne tripleheader of Times
Square on his own awful?

Speaker 4 (39:38):
The Canelo fight was terrible, Like.

Speaker 3 (39:40):
These are two of their biggest stars and they put
on an awful performance. Anyway, fought on Sunday night. He's
probably the best fighter in the world pound for pound.
That was fun, but boxing did not deliver over the weekend.
That's my bad for the week.

Speaker 4 (39:52):
And from bad to worse, LeVar, what was ugly this week?

Speaker 6 (39:55):
I mean last night took it for me.

Speaker 1 (39:57):
I mean I had a couple of different options, but
the shooting for the Timberwolves was ugly last night and
costed them game one. And you know, if you don't
have Steph Curry moving forward and in the rest of
the series. You got to assume that that's ugly for
them too, so for for Golden State, even though they
were able to pull out the game, So that that

(40:18):
was that's ugly. That's my ugly for the week. It
was last night's games.

Speaker 3 (40:23):
Both of them and Scheffler matched the two fifty three
record by Justin Thomas Bam
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