May 7, 2025 • 62 mins
Wednesday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, LaVar buries the Cavs after the Pacers comeback win. The guys react to breaking news that the Steelers will trade George Pickens to the Cowboys after Jerry Jones promised a big move was in the works. The Old P, Petros Papadakis fights to save the USC/Notre Dame rivalry.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is the best of two pros and a couple
Joe with Lamar airings and rating win and Jonas Knots
on radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
We've got all sorts of fun conversation to get into.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
And where do we start?
Speaker 2 (00:19):
The interesting storyline from Minneapolis last night, our friends listening
on the Yalla Horn of the Twin Cities watch their
team put together an offensive crap veest.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
Yeah they built a brick house.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Yeah it was not ideal. And the Golden State Warriors
get it done? Or should we start with the gag
and a half by the Cleveland Cavaliers at home?
Speaker 4 (00:43):
What a gag job?
Speaker 5 (00:45):
I can I ask you guys this? I mean, obviously,
I think it's pretty well known. I grew up a
Cleveland sports fan, and there's been a lot of heartbreak
over the forty years.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
That I've been on this planet. What is this rank?
Speaker 5 (00:58):
I know it's again its second round NBA Playoff game,
but to be up twenty at points in the third quarter,
seven of up seven with forty eight seconds left, at
what point do you throw this up there with some
of the biggest collapses.
Speaker 6 (01:14):
It's I think it's up there with the Michael Jordan
buzzer beater.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
It's it. It is. Yeah, I mean that's a good
one too. It's that's as.
Speaker 6 (01:26):
Demoralizing as you'll get.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
That's it's like.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Why does it Happenland? Why?
Speaker 4 (01:34):
You know what?
Speaker 5 (01:35):
I don't know why. All I know is this is
everyone else out there is Stop complaining. You can bitch
and moan about your team's lack success or whatever hardships
you've been through.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
Just shut up, just stop.
Speaker 5 (01:51):
No one knows misery like Cleveland sports fans.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
Okay, We've been through it. We've seen it all. I've
lived it. Okay, trust me like it is.
Speaker 5 (02:03):
I don't know why, but for some reason, the Cleveland
sports franchises battle through this bs all the time.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
It's unbelievable.
Speaker 6 (02:14):
It really is unbelievable, which is weird because your Ohio
State is good and even that times, Youngstown State is
good like the I.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
Mean, moult Union probably is the most championships at.
Speaker 6 (02:26):
Their level of any But you guys got Cleveland Saint
Nick Nations, you got Mallard and High School like you used.
Speaker 5 (02:33):
To be good Man he Old and Tangi Liberty took
it last year where it was a bird Brolin Berlin
may have been at men it last year.
Speaker 6 (02:40):
But I just don't know why it stops at pros
for y'all.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Are the Lake Erie Monsters still a juggernaut out there
or no?
Speaker 4 (02:49):
I don't know, man, I just let's let's just move on.
Let's just move on to the game. Let's get this
one over. I mean, you do it.
Speaker 5 (02:55):
Look, there's two ways of looking at this. Either you
were like, all right, we got off to a hot start.
I think a lot of people would have been pleased
with the game being as close as it was for
a final score with everyone out that was out before
the game. But the problem was once you saw the
first half, like d Mitch was going off, the team
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was kind of Jared Auten was playing well, like the
team was kind of rising up out around him. You're like,
all right, we got this. You know, we dropped the
first one. This is a good team with the best
team in the East. You know, based on the regular season,
we played really well this year.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
We got this.
Speaker 5 (03:30):
And then I don't I mean like little things like
you don't box out Nie Smith on a free throw
or I missed free throw, and then somehow you can't
box out and get a rebound. You allow Haliburton to
essentially just eat up clock time and get to the
top of the key to take a three to win it.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
Like, I just I don't even know how to put
that in the context.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
I think it was Greg Anthony who said everything that
Indiana needed to happen happened, happened the final moments, literally
everything every bound went their way, that even the miss
free throw ended up back in the shot to win it.
Crazy crowd is just like wait what just so?
Speaker 4 (04:09):
And you're how quiet it was?
Speaker 5 (04:12):
I mean it was the I mean, I'll say this
when you're away team and you go in and you
win a game on the road, And I've said this before,
like there's nothing greater than hearing silence at a stadium.
Like I remember walking out of the Big House when
it's just quiet, and you're like, this is awesome.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
Like there, I mean you could.
Speaker 5 (04:31):
There's something about like doing something to make people cheer.
There's also something even more powerful, make about controlling the audience.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
And making them silent.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
It is true.
Speaker 6 (04:41):
Listen, the storyline coming out of the Game one is
the series over. Damn it's over. What's the biggest storyline
if they get.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
Back to full strength you're calling it right now. He
just won the series.
Speaker 6 (04:54):
It's they won the series last night because I hit
it Donovan.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
But Donovan Mitchell, come to the sticks, pick.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
The Undertaker's back. He's putting people.
Speaker 6 (05:07):
Donovan Mitchell is not from this planet. I mean, he
played like he was from a different place and a
different time.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
Away from here. He was.
Speaker 6 (05:18):
He was so good. I mean, that's as good an effort.
He put up forty eight points. That's as good as
singular man effort as you're gonna get.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
In the game.
Speaker 6 (05:30):
It was a megastar effort, and they still managed at home,
they still managed to give it away.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
They still tang give.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
To me the fact that Halliburton didn't have.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
A game, give it to him, Bar League, prepare for this.
Speaker 6 (05:54):
At the end of the game, well, he scored what
eleven twelve points at the end of the game. Didn't
even like had nineteen points in the game, Bary and bar.
It was a well played game, but it clearly was
in Cleveland's control for the entire game.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
The entire game.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
They led the entire game.
Speaker 6 (06:20):
Donovan Mitchell dominated them the entire game.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Cleveland was having a good time in Cleveland.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
The entire game.
Speaker 6 (06:28):
It looked as though Cleveland was cruising to an easy
Game two victory. And if you went to sleep, if
you stepped away, if you hit the restroom, checked on
your kids, you came back and you realized something weird,
something strange, was happening, And right then and there you
realize that this is Cleveland, and Cleveland served it up
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on a platter, very nice and very cold, and it
was an ale. And that ale shall serve as the
catalyst of the end of this run of this season
for the Cleveland Cavaliers. And they're faithful fans.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
Man save this. Cleveland will come back and win this series.
There's there's my bet on this.
Speaker 5 (07:26):
But I want you to mark this down and save
it so we could play it back for var. Hopefully
it'll be a good sport about it.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
We'll see.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
I'm never a good sport.
Speaker 6 (07:35):
Like if I win, I'm a I'm a horrible sport.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
If I lose, I'm worse. So I won't be a
good sport.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
That doesn't make it fun. People like self deprecating humor.
It is fun.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
I am self deprecating, though, are you yes?
Speaker 4 (07:49):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (07:50):
And I'm very and I'm very sarcastic.
Speaker 6 (07:53):
See my sarcasm doesn't always go across with you guys,
but I definitely am.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
I generally do not make myself serious.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
It's not what else see there. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
I do it with everybody, now do it with everybody.
Speaker 6 (08:07):
I was sarcastic this morning with Trisha and she didn't
take too kindly too. That's why I came into the studio.
I wasn't planning on coming in the day. What happened, Well,
you know, did you get the Lee treatment? Just getting
the kids? No, I was already on the couch, and
plus our couch is probably better than our bid, so
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doesn't matter. I can't lose. I definitely can't lose wherever
it is that I would end up laying my head.
So you're not like you're put me in a bad
space by saying get out or anything.
Speaker 5 (08:42):
Do you feel like you've ever been in a worse
spot in your relationship than Lee is in most.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Of his No?
Speaker 6 (08:49):
No, because here's the thing, right, if it ever gets
remotely close to how things go the way Lee does things,
I'm out Like I'm out, and I'll tell you I'm done, But.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
You've never reached it, And I don't care if it's.
Speaker 6 (09:05):
Like I've told my wife before, like you want to
go there, like we're done.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
You never reached in to brush your teeth, and you
see hers as filed down to a shive, you know what.
I've seeing that before.
Speaker 6 (09:17):
If I saw that, then I would know that there
there are plans, and I would plan accordingly. But again,
I'm not the passive aggressive type like California and j'a
are very passive aggressive. Y'all don't know how. I don't
like conflict, but I don't shy away from it. Like
if you bring conflict my way, I'm going to address it.
Speaker 5 (09:40):
So like if you're if you're going to the bucket
like you're you're kind of get a little extra contact
as you put up the layup.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
That is what you're saying.
Speaker 6 (09:47):
I'll take it, man, I'll take the extra contact. I'll
expect the extra contact.
Speaker 5 (09:52):
But like Jonas will dip away from he fades, well,
you know, get into it.
Speaker 6 (09:59):
Lebron has been living in l a way too long
because his flops have totally taken on and embraced the
personality of how California.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Are we just gonna ignore what the hell happened? What
was that did you sneeze into the mic. That definitely
was a cough.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
Why would you do into the mic?
Speaker 6 (10:20):
I don't think he realized his mic was on, or
maybe he's lit up, he's Maybe he might be tired though,
because he's doing double shifts.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Yeah, he's doing double dude.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
Are you doing double shifts the whole weekly? Yeah? Yeah, I'm
good for you. Just finished up with Ben yeh at
you working hard? Why don't you give me this?
Speaker 3 (10:39):
I give him Loreo because every day year.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
And a half, Loreada.
Speaker 5 (10:45):
Question Lorena. Almost Hey, Lredo, You're never questioned. It's a
little more questionable.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Dang, Lorena, I'm gonna be more questionable. Congrats, congrats Lorena.
Don't be more questionable.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
Yeah, don't don't do that.
Speaker 6 (10:59):
We were on your uh, we were on your social
story yesterday. Don't be any more questionable than what you
were yesterday.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
How about that? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (11:06):
Wait what keep it calm, keep it cool? I mean
she she well, she pushed them over. She pushed them
over to if if if Lorena's post yesterday that was
the equivalent of the last the last part of the
game for Halliburton, Like she showed up at the end
of the game and delivered the goods.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
By the way and won the game. By the way.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
How about Haliburton hitting the shot and then giving the
symbol for uh for brass balls right afterwards?
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Ian a little uh, which, by the way, I think
the first time I would.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Listening, you basically take your two hands and it's like
you're carrying a bowling too heavy.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
But you know what the reference is to, right? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (11:49):
It's Major League too, isn't it league?
Speaker 4 (11:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Yeah, there, y'all watch an American werewolf in London. What
what is this.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
But top of on.
Speaker 6 (12:01):
So the So you got problems early on fourteen?
Speaker 4 (12:09):
Huh? You can't handle it at fourteen? His head's always
in the gutter.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
You This dude's problems are so real. Man, all right,
So should we listen to uh speaking of I got
problems anonymous? That's that's what you.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
Keep talking about. What you want to talk about?
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Chris Finch, the head coach of the Minnesota Timberwolves.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Everybody's going to try to turn this into a thing.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
Huh.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
Well he uh.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
He did talk about the struggles of Anthony Edwards and
then was asked whether or not he needs to have
a talk with ant Man. Afterwards, let's take a listen
with Anthony.
Speaker 7 (12:49):
You know, I thought he's was uh, you know, he
struggled early and then you could just kind of see
the light go out a little bit for a while,
and then you know, obviously we had to try to
get him going in the second half. But I think,
you know, it was one of those games where he
kind of came out with the predetermined mindset of what
he was trying to do and just rather than just
playing the game that was in front of him, what
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is there to talk about?
Speaker 4 (13:11):
I mean, you're there, You're.
Speaker 7 (13:12):
The leader of the team, and you got to come
out and set the tone. You know, in all ways
that that happens. And if it's if your SHOT's not
going like you you still have to carry the energy,
you know. So I don't think there's if I got
to talk to guys about having the right energy coming
into opening around game, opening the second round game, and
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you know we're not you know, we're not on the
same page.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
So normally I would say, I wonder how that's gonna
land with insert any NBA player. Anthony Edwards is not
the one I'm worried about.
Speaker 6 (13:45):
Do y'all have the soundo Anthony Edwards. Yeah, I mean,
but it's he took. He said it starts with me,
I'll play better.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
And he seems like the type of guy where he's like, yeah,
he's right, I gotta be better.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
The whole team played poorly.
Speaker 5 (13:59):
Yesterday, knowing Chris Finch, Chris Finch wouldn't say that outwardly,
that is something that he wouldn't say to Anthony Edwards.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (14:07):
You know, he's the type of coach that he'll speak
speak directly to his players and he'll know what players
can handle that too. You know, there's there's been players
that have come through there in the past that I
know he didn't feel I could handle that sort of thing,
but Anthony Edwards can't. And that's why he's in the
position that he is. That's why he's so meaningful to them.
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And the truth of the matter is if I look
at the adjustments that Golden State made playing more zone,
essentially begging Minnesota to kind of break down their zone
with shooting, then they couldn't hit a shot last night.
You know that, ultimately, I think is going to be
the demise for Minnesota. We kind of talked about, like
what makes Golden State so dangerous.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
It's a team that's built on three point shooting.
Speaker 5 (14:52):
And even though Draymond struggled in the past, he pitched
in last night, Buddy Heald was back doing Buddy Heald's things.
You know, Jimmy Butler all around played played pretty well
in Steph's absence. But that team collectively, I think they
played a what twelve players. You know, Golden State is
built to be able to hit shots from the outside,
force other teams to play that same game against them,
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and they know they're better than most at that and
or they're gonna win more often than not. And that's
what it came down to. Like you can talk about
energy or whatever else you want out of Anthony Edwards
that series, it doesn't matter fad energy, Like, you're not
gonna win if you cannot shoot well enough or to
keep pace with the Golden State Warriors.
Speaker 6 (15:31):
It was the rebounds, and it was the threes. They
hit eighteen threes to the Timberwolves five, And that's just
that's crazy. Eighteen threes to five. You definitely and sheer
run of the mill thirty nine point different and they well,
they were at they were at like forty forty forty
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eight forty seven something like that. Well, the Warriors weren't
the but the Timberwolves they were bad. They were something.
They was crazy. They something for twenty two, like six
to twenty two something crazy, but or five obviously five
or for something. Anyway, I think the biggest thing coming out,
the biggest storyline coming out of that game is obviously
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one hundred percent Steph Curry's health.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
What's his health moving forward?
Speaker 6 (16:20):
If you do not have Steph Curry moving forward, it's
just like it's just like saying that if they don't
have Jimmy Butler, if you don't have those two dudes
in the game, this team stands the chance of not
being as good. Like Hill is building a name for himself.
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He's playing very well and he has no problems chucking
up that three.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Did he wear the wrong shorts? I think they had
to stop the game because Buddy Heal came out in
the wrong shorts.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
Really, I didn't notice. I didn't know it can change.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
That's crazy.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Yeah, And Jimmy Butler said afterwards, said, yeah, we need Steph.
He's our best player and it's a lot more difficult
to play without him. And if this this is a
hamstring strain they're calling it. I don't know how that
it doesn't get soft tissue injuries. That doesn't get better quickly,
It just doesn't. You got to try to manage it.
That's why I'm not worried about Minnesota in the series.
Speaker 6 (17:20):
They played as poorly as you can play, like, that's
the thing about it. And it's Game one. They played
as poorly as they can play, and I just don't
see them staying staying at that level of execution. Again,
Anthony Edwards said it, and I think I think Randall
and Edwards capture the essence of what what happened in
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yesterday's games, and and the coach said it as much
as well, which is interesting because the media tried to
twist it up and make it a divisive play, saying that, oh,
coach said that you didn't come out and set the tone, Anthony,
and that's kind of not what he said. He said,
we rely on him, and we depend on him. But
Anthony Edwards really handled it very well. I mean, he
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state took responsibility for it, said they you know, he
got to his places where he wanted to get to
on the court, he got the looks that he wanted
to get He just wasn't finishing, and they had a
poor shooting game the game before. They've been able to
overcome it. I think the Timberwolves will. They will bounce back.
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They're not going to have that low of offensive output again.
Like I would be willing to say they're not going
to have that type of output in any more games.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
I'm not going to be that low.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
The only thing I would be cautious to go there
on is that this is now two games in a
row for them, because when they finished off the Lakers,
they didn't shoot well that game either, correct, this is
now translated into another game, and so I I don't
know if it's a slump or if it's just a Listen,
they got a little bit too bad.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
They got to playoffs yet.
Speaker 6 (18:59):
But I mean, and you know, it sounds like that's
what they were trying to put out there, is like,
oh's is it in your guys' heads?
Speaker 3 (19:06):
Like is it in your head that you're gonna miss?
Speaker 4 (19:08):
Is it?
Speaker 6 (19:09):
Like it's a mental like they kept coming at them.
I don't think that.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
I don't think they stay there though, I really don't know.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
I don't either.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
They played really good defense they play really good defense.
Speaker 6 (19:20):
They just needed to rebound better and make their shots.
If they've rebound better, they make their shots, it's probably
a different game. So we'll have to wait and see.
I think that that is right now. Out of the
two games we watched yesterday, that the two series. If
we're comparing those two series, I mean we got some
interesting series obviously in some more games, but those two,
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I mean, that is clearly the most anticipated game. Like
watching that game take place, I don't know where that
goes if Steph Curry continues to be injured though, That's
that's the thing.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
It was nice seeing Pat Spencer get some burn time,
as Brady calls it, you know up top, that's your
your your prototymal, prototypical, got him in there.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
Nice prototypical, white guy, okay t shirt.
Speaker 8 (20:09):
Underneath white tape on the on the rist.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Oh yeah, nice. Good to see him get a little
run there.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
Call him the pistol, huh that much.
Speaker 9 (20:21):
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Speaker 2 (20:35):
I would like to start off by apologizing. There was
a lot of sarcasm, but I want to apologize to
one Jerry Jones. He was talking about a substantial trade
being done this offseason. I thought he was just full
of crap. And he was, you know, having a couple
of iced teas, maybe with a little bit of booze
mixed in, and he just threw out a bunch of
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stuff to try and please Cowboy fans who are not
happy about the current state the team. And then all
of a sudden, this went down.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
Breaking news from Fox Sports.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
According to Adam Schefter of ESPN, the Dallas Cowboys and
Pittsburgh Steelers are working to finalize a trade that will
send wide receiver George Pickens to the Cowboys in exchange
for draft pick compensation. The trade is expected to be
finalized today. It's the second time in six months the
Cowboys have traded for a wide receiver. In November, the
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Cowboys acquired wide receiver Jonathan Mingo and a twenty twenty
five seventh round pick for the Panthers in exchange for
a twenty twenty five fourth round pick. Now the Cowboys
are dealing for another receiver George Pickens. Schefter went on
to say soon to be Cowboys wide receiver George Pickens
is headed into the last year of his contract and
will want a new deal. His agent happens to be
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David Mullagetta, whose name Cowboys owner Jerry Jones said he
did not know while talking about a new deal for
Micah Parsons.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
So here we go.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
That's the substantial trade Jerry Jones was talking about, and
apparently it'll be George Pickens later today to the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
So I won't Mason glory Hill. Thank you.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Oh wow, Okay, thank you?
Speaker 5 (22:12):
All right, Easy there, Jerry, don't get too excited now.
This this makes a lot of sense. You mentioned they
did this last year and training for Mingo. I don't
know that they got what they were hoping for out
of Jonathan Mingo, but you add Pickens alongside Ceedee Lamb
and that's quite the tandem.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
So I think they've got they've got what they're looking for.
Speaker 5 (22:33):
Look, they didn't didn't spend a draft pick on a
wide receiver in this year's draft, and that maybe led
to some signs that there was something in the works
or that they were going to address it in some capacity.
We knew this was a potential issue, not just because
of how last season ended for Pittsburgh, but also when
you bring in DK Metcalf, there's probably a thought that, well,
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George Pickens can't be excited about having to share the
ball or maybe being the number two or see the
DK Metcalf and some of their other options there in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 4 (23:04):
Uh, with that trade.
Speaker 5 (23:05):
So it makes a lot of sense from you know,
trying an extension how things have may be gone there
in Pittsburgh so far, but also the need of the
Dallas Cowboys. So uh, look at Jerry Man, a man
of his word. We gotta we gotta trust him with it.
Speaker 6 (23:19):
It certainly will be must see TV because Ceedee Lamb
does not like when he does not get the ball.
And by what we've seen out of how George Pickens
handles things. Who who I mean, I guess it's gonna
come down to how they situate the lockers make I guess,
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make sure you put Ceedee Lamb and and and George
Pickens strategically right next to one another in the locker
room so that they can talk and have Kumbaya moments
and stuff like that and be okay going on to
the field. But like I said, I never met a
receiver that wasn't always open, and I never met a
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receiver that got enough balls. Pause and and you you know,
listening to the SoundBite that we heard from from Elak
Neighbors the other the other day and listening to him
talk about, you know, you got three receivers, you got
a tight end, you may release a back. You're talking
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about five options of throwing the ball to Will there
be enough balls for Ceed Lamb and George Pickens to
catch in Dallas? And how does that? How does that work?
I think that that's going to be when this happens,
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that's going to be one of the singular biggest things
that Brian Schottenheimer and co. Will have to manage as
it applies to what you're doing with this group. And
as far as as I'm concerned with the Steelers, you
are getting out of a situation where you know, maybe
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they've already maybe he's made it clear, Pickings and his
representation have already made it clear that they're not playing
without a new contract, and the Steelers don't want to
do it. So this is something that they're they're doing
out of a necessity. But is this Steelers team putting
themselves in position to win this year? If I'm looking
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at this current Steelers team where they are at right now,
that would have to be an emphatic no, they're not.
So is this a rebuild year, like in the truest
sense of rebuild, because I don't know how they're going
to compete in such a competitive division with what their
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roster looks like today.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
Does that change of Aaron Rodgers sins there?
Speaker 3 (25:58):
Who is he throwing it to?
Speaker 5 (26:00):
Well, you still have DK, Calvin Metcalf, Calvin Alson stepped
up as a gadget. You know, they drafted Robert Watson
last year, a fine rookie season, and then don't forget
they signed Robert Woods and he's still to me, got
a lot left in the tank.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
I mean, do you feel confident in those names?
Speaker 4 (26:21):
I mean if you.
Speaker 5 (26:21):
Had friarm youth to that, if you look at their backfield,
their run game, yeah, and they've got kind of don't forget,
they've got Cordero Patison as a returner slash kind of
a slash player for them too.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
In this offense. I think they have enough. I that's
who your quarterback is.
Speaker 6 (26:35):
If you get Aaron Rodgers, that might be talking me
slightly off the ledge, But just because it is Aaron Rodgers,
I'm gonna stay with my feet on the ledge because
I don't know what type of player I'm gonna get
or what's going to happen with him being the quarterback.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
If they were really planning on rebuilding there, they wouldn't
have traded for dk Metcalf and they wouldn't have even
had this conversation or waiting game with Rodgers. They just say,
all right, let's tear it down to the studs and
let's go. But I think they do believe Rogers are
going to be there, and if he's there, yeah, they
got a shot.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
What if he's not good?
Speaker 6 (27:07):
What if he what if he's what if he's not
up to the standard of what you need your quarterback
to be At this point in his career, it's very
possible that he doesn't live up to the standard and
the expectations. So if he doesn't, does it just mean up?
That's it? Who's up next, Who's who's behind him, who's
backing him up? The goal shouldn't be is he good
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enough to win you a super Bowl. The goal should
be is he good enough to keep Mike Tomlin's winning
season record attack set.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
I'm half kidding, No, you're not half kids. I do
believe that that's that's a major story here.
Speaker 6 (27:46):
You're being a smart ass since you're doing like that,
they really do hold on to that. That's like precious
gold Mike Tomlins just like the Ravens, like preseason record
like that's like always a note. I mean, I don't
think it's about him getting a winning record. It is
one hund about them winning the AFC North and being
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a favorite as they approached the playoffs, being a contender.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
I mean, they're not going to win the division, but
they could be a playoff team.
Speaker 6 (28:19):
Well that's the expectation. And if that's not what's being sold,
and if that's not what they're seeking to achieve, then
that's going to put a lot of pressure on corporate,
you know, to make decisions. They're going to have to
decide what they're going to do. Because I don't think
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winning seasons is crazy to think that, but which because
it does make sense in the old NFL, especially it
makes sense I mean not too long ago. I mean
you look at what Marvin Lewis was able to do. Hell,
Jason Garrett was there for for a while. You can
look at numerous coaches that have had a long, long
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leash in terms of what they're able to do just
because the team is winning, and you don't get they
don't get rid of coaches.
Speaker 4 (29:14):
But I don't know.
Speaker 6 (29:15):
That that's going to continue to last in Pittsburgh. I
don't know if that's the catalyst or that's deciding factor.
I got they just have a winning record this year.
I got a bad feeling about this. George Pickens and Dallas's.
Speaker 5 (29:29):
That's I think it's the underrated conversation is I mean,
he's gonna go wild at Dallas.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
I mean he was already not happy, you know, in
Pittsburgh they had to talk to him multiple times over.
Now he's gonna be in Dallalls with no extension in place.
He's gonna have to deal with Ceedee Lamb being the
top target. Jake Ferguson's there, he gets a bunch of
balls thrown his way. So you've got that in Dallas,
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no contract extension and an agent who the owner has
already said, I don't know who that guy is. This
this thing could go sideway. They really could go with
a first time head coach. He just moves moved chairs
in the locker room because he thought that would ignite
him fire. Under some people, this thing could be a disaster.
Speaker 4 (30:16):
Little George Pickens locker's gonna.
Speaker 6 (30:17):
Be which, by the way, people are getting upset about
me saying that that's wow to stand on that hill
and die on like I'm with them, that's crazy.
Speaker 5 (30:26):
Here's the thing is, it's hard to and I get
it because it does sound goofy.
Speaker 4 (30:29):
But I have you back.
Speaker 6 (30:30):
And when we talked about yes you did, I mean
they don't understand it. I don't think there's a sentimental
especially like again, I used Darryl Green as an example.
Darryl Green was probably on year like sixteen or something
like that when I got there seventeen eighteen, something like that.
This man had his locker, the same locker for probably
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fourteen or so years of that time, and shake it up.
You're going to move that man's locker without having the conversation.
I'm not saying don't shake things up or move things
around or whatever, but you need to understand that. And
he does. Schottenheimer one hundred percent. He's been around it
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too long. You got to talk to your vets on
stuff like that. When there's things where there's routine created,
like don't compare this to your office building, don't compare
it to your profession. Don't compare it because it's not comparable.
And I'm sorry it's not. But when you have created
a habit and this is your place and you've earn't
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the right to be a veteran where you've been in
that organization for so long, where you've established like, imagine
if you came in there, maybe this one works better
instead of Darryl Green. Maybe people don't relate to it.
Imagine if you came in and told Tom Brady or
Peyton Manning or Patrick Mahomes that they got to use
a different locker.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Like some of these guys had. Like didn't Tom Brady
have two lockers.
Speaker 6 (32:05):
One with his stuff and one for stuff that he signed,
like dude had.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
Some of these dudes had more than one.
Speaker 6 (32:11):
Locker, Like like to act like there's some type of like, oh,
just shut up and play football, Like that's not how
it works.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
Oh yes it is. Nothing else has worked in Dallas.
Speaker 6 (32:23):
Well you know what, that ain't gonna that's certainly probably
gonna add to the list of things that didn't work.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
Yeah, but you can't like these are like I'm telling
some of these fans.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Here you go, they've got Stockholm syndrome. They'll just buy
whatever the organization sells them because they have no choice,
Like oh yeah, yeah, no, this is a great idea.
They can't just be critical that. Yeah, so desperate the
Cowboys fans are.
Speaker 4 (32:48):
Yeah, it's real.
Speaker 6 (32:49):
You chose to chose to come for me over lockers
being shifted and changed. Screw you, damn Yeah.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
Take that.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
By the way, Jordan Schultz, who is up and awake
and he is tweeting about the deal. Uh, he did
say that it is a third round pick back to
the Steelers and day three pick swap for the Cowboys
in exchange for George Picketts.
Speaker 4 (33:14):
They do not think very highly of him. No, that's
kind of the going rate though, Is that the going right? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (33:20):
You look at some of the veteran receivers who want
a new deal, they go for about a third and
something like a third and to fifth. Didn't it was
it ab Remember they sent ap to the Raiders. Wasn't
that for a third and fifth?
Speaker 3 (33:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (33:31):
Was it really yeah, there's been a there's been a
number of receivers that's been it's been somewhere in that
somewhere in.
Speaker 4 (33:37):
That standing to be corrected.
Speaker 6 (33:39):
He was at the height of his career when he left,
when he left Pittsburgh.
Speaker 5 (33:46):
Right now, there was baggage there, which I think it
was a baggage.
Speaker 6 (33:49):
Yeah, yeah, but but maybe the playing aspect of it
was that true.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
Yeah, but who knew.
Speaker 5 (33:55):
One of the things though, on the outside, I think
we don't value third round pick as much as teams do.
I mean, that's one of the reasons why there's compensatory picks,
and when teams get those third round compensatory picks, it's huge.
But you're talking about getting a top one hundred player.
I mean, when we say that like that, that's the reality.
Like you're talking about getting a top one hundred prospect
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in the NFL Draft, the best out of college. Then
you're gonna get for much cheaper. And so if a
team is willing to say to you, all right, here's
what we're willing to do with our organization. We are
willing to give a guy away who we feel like
might be you know, he's a thousand yard receiver, a
really good player, but we don't feel like he's gonna
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be worth the money and the headache that comes along
with him. We'd rather take another player at that third
round spot. He's gonna be cheaper and we feel like
we'll be able to produce just as much, or we
can find a starter at that position, you know, just
as easily as we can pay George Pickens and then
deal with all that.
Speaker 6 (34:56):
So well, I get it. Fun while it lasted, buddy,
good luck to you so long.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Yeah, well, listen, George Pickens is in Dallas. The Steelers
got some draft capital, and now they just wait, wait,
wait on Aaron Rodgers. Hopefully that'll get done soon. But again,
apologies to Jerry Jones. He said it, he did say it,
and they made a move and now we just wait
for the fireworks. It is two pros and a cup
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of Joe. Here on Fox Sports Radio, LeVar Arrington, Brady Quinn,
Jonas NOx with you.
Speaker 6 (35:30):
So again, if you're just listening in. I mean, he
was a second round draft pick too. It was not
like he was a first rounder. He was in the
second round. He's talented, though, man, he is talented.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
George Pickens expected to be traded and finalized. Later today,
George Pickens on his way from Pittsburgh to Dallas. He
will be a Dallas Cowboy in exchange for some draft picks.
That was the breaking news that just popped up a
short time ago. Here on Fox Sports.
Speaker 9 (35:56):
Radio, be sure to catch live editions of two Pro
in a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Arrington
and Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern three am Pacific.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
We kick off our three of this Wednesday edition per usual,
with the one and only Petros Papadakis. He is the
co host of the Petros and Money Show, which you
can hear on the Blowtorch Am five to seventy LA
Sports a Fox College football analyst, and you can find
him on x at the old p Petros. Good morning
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out with hell on morning.
Speaker 4 (36:30):
Hello to everybody, sir.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
So, we were kind of kicking around the news that
came out that Notre Dame and Clemson we're going to
have this long rivalry starting in twenty twenty seven.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
They're going to go all the way up until twenty
thirty eight.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
Rivalry.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
Yeah, and they're they're going to be playing each other
annually and yeah.
Speaker 5 (36:48):
Apparently they have to start a new one because there's
some old ones that some of the athletic directors.
Speaker 4 (36:53):
Want to get out of.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
Yeah, what's with the well.
Speaker 4 (36:55):
I don't think it's the AD.
Speaker 8 (36:58):
I don't think the AD at USC wants to get
out of it Jen Cohen. But Lincoln Riley's talked about
getting out of it a whole bunch, and that's what
he said to me.
Speaker 4 (37:09):
It's shameful.
Speaker 8 (37:09):
It's probably as embarrassing as Lincoln Riley's kind of been
after year one. It's probably one of the worst things
I think that USC type of people point to where
they say, this guy doesn't understand our tradition.
Speaker 4 (37:26):
This guy doesn't understand what it is to.
Speaker 8 (37:28):
Coach here and what this place, football wise, is known for.
I mean, USC, Notre Dame is a great I know
that there's so many things that have gone by the wayside.
The backyard Brawl, the Holy War, Oklahoma versus Texas bedlam
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is now.
Speaker 4 (37:49):
Gone, and I just.
Speaker 8 (37:54):
Those things are all unfortunate, and when they bring back
the rivalries, it's always great. It's kind of hard to
imagine with the seismic shifts that we've kind of seen
in the last decade plus in college football that these
things could keep happening. But it is shameful that Lincoln
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Riley talks about getting rid of Notre Dame USC. But
just because you play somebody every year doesn't make it
a rivalry. It just means you play them every year.
Speaker 4 (38:27):
It's not you.
Speaker 8 (38:31):
That I was offended by that, but I'm well, I
mean it should be exciting. I mean, there are two
great programs with.
Speaker 5 (38:40):
And I think here's what younger, the younger generation would say,
is like in recent history, it's it's kind of become
like quasi of a of a rivalry because of how
how good the programs have both been, how tight the
games have been they've played in.
Speaker 4 (38:57):
And I think that's really look.
Speaker 5 (38:59):
There trying to everyone's always trying to make something out
of something, right, like they're trying to make a new
robvalry if you can do that in today's age, And
I think that's what they're more.
Speaker 4 (39:07):
Trying to say. This is starting to become.
Speaker 8 (39:10):
Trying to manufacture something as opposed to looking at one
hundred plus years of your history. Sounds about right for
modern day college football. And it's like the Kardashian effect. Yeah,
it's the same thing. We keep eating the meal that
they tell us to eat. And you know what, if
Notre Dame's playing Clemson, everybody's gonna watch. If it's a
good game, it's going to be very exciting, There's no
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doubt about it. I don't think Notre Dame USC is
going to go away. When it does, we can talk
about it. But what Okay, let me ask you this.
Thinking about it is wrong and I and I disagree
with it.
Speaker 5 (39:46):
Okay, so I want to I want to ask you
this then, because who ultimately makes the decision.
Speaker 4 (39:52):
I mean, if Jen Cohen's the athletic director, doesn't she
and she hires the TV the TV companies sadly. Yeah,
but this is different.
Speaker 5 (40:00):
This is different because the Big ten is not going
to say no, we don't want you to play Notre
Dame because you and I both know that allows let's
be let's be real about it. It allows Fox, NBC
and CBS to get have one of those games.
Speaker 4 (40:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (40:13):
Yeah, they don't want it to end. No, No, so
then I don't think it will. I mean, if if
somebody ends it, it will be from the influence of
Lincoln Riley, who is about as USC as Caid McNown.
I mean, in my opinion, like.
Speaker 4 (40:31):
Lincoln Riley is not as Caid catch a straight. Yeah
that's cool.
Speaker 8 (40:35):
Yeah, I saw, I saw Corey Pause was old. You
started thirty seven games at U C l A at
the uh yeah, at the Beach Life Festival over the weekend.
So we we talked a little bit. It was nice
to catch up with them.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
I mean, Caid's still really from that Miami loss and
you get a you get a's Aid McNown Yeah sure.
Speaker 8 (40:59):
But you know Kate yeah sure. But overall, top to bottom,
I think that if Lincoln Riley was winning eleven games
a year and competing in the Big Ten for a championship,
or people actually thought that, or there was a bunch
of buzz around USC's program or a quarterback that they
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have or anything, maybe maybe they would take him more
seriously when he talks about ending the Notre Dame rivalry.
But I think that's a guy who's got to win
a lot more if he's going to talk about the
Notre Dame rivalry or what it's like to coach at USC. Ever,
as far as what their traditions are and what you're
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supposed to do as a USC head coach, and I
think a lot of that kind of escapes him. If
he had won, if he's had more success, maybe they'd
take him a little bit more seriously. But I'm not
sure who takes him seriously.
Speaker 5 (41:52):
When he talks about it, it sounds like an air
rate approach. Is that a fair way of putting him?
Speaker 8 (41:57):
Yes, everything weak and offensive is an air approach. JJ
Reddick is an air.
Speaker 3 (42:02):
Raid in him.
Speaker 8 (42:06):
No, we don't need a big guy. Look, we're in
it offensively. Look we almost took the lead at one point.
We're fine. My philosophy is great. This has nothing to
do with my philosophy.
Speaker 4 (42:15):
Just got to be in better shape. Yeah, yeah, No,
I got a forty year old and a fat guy.
Let's play him the whole time.
Speaker 6 (42:21):
Tang, what was your memories like Petros? Like you guys
didn't do well against Notre Dame when you were in
school all that. That's not true.
Speaker 8 (42:31):
We beat Notre Dame in a ninety seven on a
field goal.
Speaker 4 (42:36):
That's true. Then you beat him again. That was exnighting.
Speaker 8 (42:39):
And then we were out there in ninety eight and
uh you beat him then? No, no to nothing? Yeah
ten nothing, we beat him ninety eight. Here and then
in ninety nine I was out there lost, I was hurt,
and there was like one of the great comebacks in
the history of the rivalry after.
Speaker 4 (42:57):
A big, a big lead that we had built. That
was that was upsetting.
Speaker 8 (43:02):
And then in two thousand they beat us here with
what was the name of the white guy in the
Levechio Matt Yeah, some tryhard punk ass quarterback, great number.
Speaker 4 (43:16):
Yeah, and we got beat.
Speaker 6 (43:18):
So but what were your memories connected to it, Like,
is there anything in particular that you.
Speaker 4 (43:24):
Remember if you want to talk about it. I don't know.
I would loved about it before dying. Yeah, I would
love it. Like it's on life support. They've called him
hospice and the robberies dead.
Speaker 8 (43:35):
The rivalry is not dead, damn it. I saw Bob
Davey hit the ground.
Speaker 4 (43:40):
Uh. There used to be uh a tighter tunnel turned
that job down, baby.
Speaker 8 (43:46):
Yeah, from what I understand, there was a tighter tunnel
in uh in Notre Dame Stadium when I was playing.
Then there is now. They might even have them come
out of opposite tunnels or something.
Speaker 6 (43:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (43:56):
Actually the tunnel's never changed.
Speaker 5 (43:58):
They have the away team now come out through a
different tunnel.
Speaker 4 (44:01):
Got it so they can avoid some of.
Speaker 8 (44:03):
The Yeah, we were lined up like opposite Notre Dame,
like literally on one side.
Speaker 4 (44:09):
Of the tunnel and they were on the other side
of the tunnel. What would you be saying.
Speaker 8 (44:15):
I mean, this was nineteen ninety seven and I was
very I was young, and you know, this was my
first trip out there, never never been there before, and
it's an overwhelming place to take the field. At least
it was for me as far as the cradle of
college football and watching USC Notre Dame my whole life,
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and hearing the song and the big Midwestern sky and
all that. For a kid from Los Angeles area, that
was pretty darn special. And we were lined up on
one side of the tunnel and they were lined up
on the other. And I don't know if I told
you this story. They had a you know, they always
have a leprechawn, Yeah, like a guy who's a leprechaun
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running around. Yeah, And you know, it's like a different
kind of mascot because you can see the guy's face.
Speaker 4 (45:03):
You know, it's not like a chick.
Speaker 8 (45:05):
In there or an administrator or somebody like you know,
whoever's in the costume. It's it's a person kind of
like the guy or the lady that's on top of Traveler,
the usc horse. So I don't know what it was
or what happened, but this in ninety seven, the Leprechaun
was a black guy.
Speaker 6 (45:24):
I was just about to ask you, did you get
the black leper Kahn got the black lef okay?
Speaker 4 (45:28):
Perfect?
Speaker 3 (45:29):
I knew there was there was something too.
Speaker 4 (45:31):
I was like, it's because.
Speaker 3 (45:33):
That's why you like reggae.
Speaker 8 (45:35):
Well, I mean the Leprechaun, the Leprechaun being lepern For
whatever reason, the Leprechaun's race incensed some of the.
Speaker 4 (45:44):
Black guys on our football team.
Speaker 3 (45:46):
They got yeah, like they were making fun of black people. Yeah,
I don't know what I make A black man was gone.
Speaker 5 (45:53):
It's like, do you know how many black guys have
fought for the right to be the leper con And
now it's.
Speaker 8 (46:00):
Not like I was going to be able to explain
that to some of my teammates through my face mask.
Speaker 4 (46:04):
You know, when I was a very young player to
be cut.
Speaker 8 (46:09):
Well, this guy, this guy was obviously very much into
his job. He was proud to be the Leprechaun, and
he was not a big man, but he was you
know he was black?
Speaker 3 (46:21):
Uh usually the little black man, little black leper.
Speaker 4 (46:23):
Coun little black like Kevin Hart.
Speaker 3 (46:25):
Right and uhang literally.
Speaker 4 (46:28):
You know is he not small? I mean?
Speaker 8 (46:29):
And then you know, usually the leprechaun is a white guy,
not just a white guy, but a white guy.
Speaker 4 (46:35):
With red hair, right, so ginger.
Speaker 3 (46:38):
Like Princeville, which is like connected to Ireland, right right?
Speaker 4 (46:41):
Yeah, absolutely, you know.
Speaker 8 (46:43):
And he could also be punching somebody in the face
while drinking as well, and that would be even more connected.
And you know, maybe he has like twenty kids nine
months apart.
Speaker 6 (46:52):
Another Irish you know, Irish said Irish triplets.
Speaker 8 (46:57):
This guy happened to be black Irish Irish twins, all right,
this guy happened to.
Speaker 4 (47:03):
He checked off the kid thing?
Speaker 6 (47:04):
Man, can he check can he check off the Irish part?
Speaker 4 (47:09):
Irish?
Speaker 8 (47:10):
I'm telling you, I don't know the guy. I just
knew it was a black leopard.
Speaker 3 (47:13):
Did any sound Irish when you heard?
Speaker 8 (47:15):
I don't remember what he was saying, but whatever he did,
Tyrone O'Malley, whatever, Tyrone O'Malley did that day, dang incense.
Some of the black guys on our team. And just
so you know, in ninety seven US he did have
more than one black guy. Yeah, it was you know,
they had integrated the Tea.
Speaker 3 (47:34):
Tang then by ninety seven it was integrated. By time.
Speaker 8 (47:38):
It wasn't like the SEC, which was all white still
in nineteen seventy Tang.
Speaker 4 (47:43):
It was whatever happened both. It was like the movie like.
Speaker 8 (47:49):
Braveheart or three hundred when you see the two armies
come together, you know, the leper Kaun, the leper Kahn
because the gigantic t wide fight in the tunnel between us.
That's Chris Claiborne, Chris Clay, Corey Minor. You know, they
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had the little Mexican punt returner and everything. Everything comes
back to race for me anyway, and that's era I'll
never forget. You know. Bob Davey, like Van Gundy style,
was on the ground like holding onto somebody's leg, you know.
And this was before for whatever reason, there was no
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TV camera in there, so uh, you know, no.
Speaker 4 (48:33):
One saw the fight.
Speaker 8 (48:35):
There was some reports of it, and it got broken
up pretty quickly and we went.
Speaker 5 (48:41):
Yes, Petros, you've done an impression before. That's one of
my all time favorites, and it's.
Speaker 4 (48:47):
You talking trash with your mouthguard in Oh yeah, well
what was this a moment game? No, I didn't say anything.
I was just dumbfounded.
Speaker 8 (48:56):
But uh, later in the game, well right, you know,
when the game started, Notre Dame had a punt returner
kick returner named Alan Rossam who was guy played long
time in the NFL and really explosive guy. And on
the opening kick, h he almost took it like he
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took it eighty And I was pretty fast in those days,
and I ran him down and tackled him on our
opposite twenty and I mean it was the first play
of the game, and I stood up and you know.
Speaker 4 (49:32):
They got I was like, oh my god. He said
my name, you know.
Speaker 8 (49:37):
And I remember walking off the field and our old
trainer at USC who was who was my father's trainer
when when my dad played there.
Speaker 4 (49:48):
He was so old.
Speaker 8 (49:49):
Once he cut a cost cast off my hand and
sliced my entire palm.
Speaker 4 (49:56):
He was like, you did it. You saved a touchdown.
You saved a touch down. And then the next play
we just watched it.
Speaker 3 (50:02):
Yeah, And the next play watched watch you chase him.
Speaker 8 (50:06):
Down, and then the next play they scored a touchdown.
I was like, I saved it. But that was the game.
We ended up winning on a field goal. And I
remember we went back into the locker room after the game,
and at that time, the Notre Dame visiting locker room
had a real low ceiling, and everybody started jumping up
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and down, and the ceiling started to cave in and
they did something like of like ten dollars of damage
to the to the locker room.
Speaker 4 (50:35):
And I remember John Robinson saying like stop wark Star,
you know, and that was so I remember.
Speaker 3 (50:45):
Uh.
Speaker 10 (50:45):
Some of our players were also such a wet feeling,
like Richard Nick, who cares if he's black one of
the hold on, man.
Speaker 4 (51:02):
What you get carried away for? Don't what you're doing? Man?
Speaker 3 (51:07):
God, that John Robinson impression is my favorite.
Speaker 4 (51:11):
Well, you know, he's an old man.
Speaker 1 (51:12):
He died.
Speaker 8 (51:13):
You know, no one remembers anymore. You know, he used
to be very significant. But anyway, I also remember some
of our players in the SC Notre Dame game. In
that particular game in ninety seven, the first time I'd
ever been to South Bend and I've only been a
few times. Uh, a lot of our players had also
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never seen a kilt.
Speaker 6 (51:35):
Yeah, so that threw them off. Uh well, I mean
these dudes running around with dresses on. Man, Yeah, yeah,
shirts on.
Speaker 4 (51:42):
Like if you don't get off the field, I'm gonna
pull up your skirt, you know, like that kind of
time your cat that.
Speaker 8 (51:49):
Yeah, it's like the six foot white guy and you know,
right up behind him as some dude breathing in his
ear from Fremont High.
Speaker 4 (51:55):
Like, hey, I see your skirt. You know.
Speaker 8 (51:58):
It was kind of a memorable trips, no doubt about that.
And I hope, I hope that was enough of a
dissertation for somebody to hear and scrap the idea that
sc notre Dame shirt.
Speaker 6 (52:12):
Were you happy as Like what was you feeling when
you made that tackle though? Like for real, because I
know when you make a big play, like like I
don't know about you, Like I didn't hear anything during
the plays. It's weird, Like everything goes quiet for me,
but as soon as I make a play, I can
hear everything.
Speaker 8 (52:30):
Yeah, it was a disorienting experience for me, you know.
Speaker 3 (52:34):
So it was just like you were relieved that you
got to him.
Speaker 8 (52:37):
Well with my head all bobbling around, you know, Yeah,
everything that happened to me in a football game happened
so fast.
Speaker 4 (52:44):
I didn't really realize.
Speaker 8 (52:45):
It until, you know, it was just done fifteen seconds later.
And that I think is what sometimes escapes people watching sports,
especially college football, because of the young people and the
pressure involved.
Speaker 6 (53:00):
I think, I guess what I'm trying to ask you, Petros, though,
is like, did you get action because you made a
big play on special teams against Notre Dame? Like when
y'all were drinking beers later on and hanging out, did
you well were you popular?
Speaker 4 (53:13):
We had to fly home, you know, and uh, you know,
so you don't get home till like.
Speaker 8 (53:19):
Four or five in the morning. Okay, when you play
at South Bend. I do remember my grandmother, God rest
her soul.
Speaker 4 (53:26):
You know.
Speaker 8 (53:26):
I grew up in a liquor warehouse. My my grandfather
owned liquor stores. Ok So she would always bring a
box of little tiny liquor bottles lee and then hand it.
She always traveled, so you know, she would hand me like,
you know, maybe eight or nine or twenty bottles.
Speaker 3 (53:44):
Or twenty yeah, eight or nine.
Speaker 4 (53:46):
And I'd share them on the plane. Okay.
Speaker 8 (53:48):
No, I mean, guys would say, did your grandma come?
And we would we would we would drink the liquor
in the back of the plane. I believe there was
a fistfight on the plane on the way home, some
set tripping on the way home. And I also believe
that Chad Morton was bullying a guy that we that
(54:09):
we had on the teammates. That Chad was bullying a
guy that had turetts called Shakes, And right when we arrived,
like four in the morning, right when we arrived at
the hotel, uh uh, Shakes had had enough and just
started to beat Chad's ass. And I remember people stopping
(54:32):
team officials from intervening so Shakes could get a few
more shots. So no chicks talked to me after that game,
but I saw two fights, one of them was gang related.
And we got home at like four in the morning.
And the next day John Robinson said there.
Speaker 4 (54:48):
Was a fart in the bus. Sometimes bullied the war.
Speaker 3 (54:57):
They can't draine to fluid off of his I mean, geez.
Speaker 4 (55:10):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (55:10):
The transition back to the Lakers, two questions, how will
the season.
Speaker 4 (55:14):
Be remembered and.
Speaker 5 (55:21):
How will how will they transition this offseason to get
this roster to a point where they where they can
compete for championships because.
Speaker 4 (55:29):
Clearly they need a big man.
Speaker 5 (55:31):
There's the questions around Brownie, there's the questions around conditioning.
If you ask JJ Reddick, you know so, So that's
kind of the other part of the question.
Speaker 8 (55:40):
Well, I think that everything that everybody said at the
beginning of the season was kind of the way it
all came to fruition, Right, JJ Reddick is immature, and
he's going to get exposed at some point, and man,
he got his balls washed. You know, from the middle
of the regular season on, everybody was saying, Wow, what
(56:01):
a great job we did hiring JJ Reddick. And sure
he's condescending and he's really insufferable to listen to, but
look at what a great job he did, and many
really handled out how to deal with Jokich and blah
blah blah, and ultimately in the playoffs he ended up
trying to do stuff that no one had ever done before.
Speaker 4 (56:21):
And there's a reason because he got exposed.
Speaker 8 (56:24):
I mean, he got whatever it means for his future
as a coach, I don't know, but he got exposed.
The Browny doesn't deserve to be in the NBA. That
played itself out to, you know, to where he had
the worst shooting percentage, the worst this, this, this, and
this you know in the NBA probably absolutely should have
(56:45):
stayed in college and continue to develop. And ultimately Lebron
looked too old at the end, and Luca looked too
fat at the end. Well you know what does that
mean going? And they weren't big enough, which is what
everybody said. And I thought that that guy Windhorse made
an interesting point. Had they made that trade with Charlotte
(57:05):
and brought in that big man, would JJ Redick even
have played the guy, Which is a great question. So
I don't know what it means for the future, But
basically it's kind of like Danny Green. The Lakers are
who we thought they were, and that's why we took
the field.
Speaker 4 (57:26):
Do you hear? Yeah? They are who we thought they.
Speaker 2 (57:30):
Mike Drop, Hey, Petruss, we got a little something special
for you here if you're ready for it.
Speaker 3 (57:34):
This courtesy of NBC.
Speaker 2 (57:37):
Way back in nineteen ninety seven, the opening kickoff between
the Trojans and the Fighting Irish from South Bend, and we.
Speaker 4 (57:50):
Are underway here at Holby Dame Stadium. Wilson has it
at the four yard line with the fifteen twenty ever
doing we.
Speaker 8 (57:58):
Turn up the metal to far side across the book,
still going at the fifty, he sets two tackles at the.
Speaker 4 (58:05):
Twenty five yard light and unbelievable.
Speaker 8 (58:07):
Return at Petro's papadacas saves the touchdown.
Speaker 4 (58:19):
Nothing fancy about.
Speaker 3 (58:20):
This return change, Yo.
Speaker 8 (58:22):
I even have a photo of it, and somebody sent
me me tackling. That's like one of like four tackles
I made as a college football player. So we're very proud,
thank you. Wow, that's amazing production.
Speaker 3 (58:35):
Was that was that Don Kricky on the call?
Speaker 4 (58:38):
Somebody like I just remember I would have done the radio,
I believe right. I think it was something like that.
Speaker 8 (58:44):
I remember meeting with two very old men before the
game is one of the subjects because I was supposed
to carry the ball a bunch of that game, which
I didn't.
Speaker 4 (58:55):
And uh then I felt kind of stupid.
Speaker 3 (58:57):
About that great play though, and he got it. You
gotta very first play the game, the old p petros Se.
Speaker 8 (59:04):
I mean, at the time, people tell football stories and
they misremember or whatever, or they say they.
Speaker 4 (59:11):
Were in China when they were really you know, in Florida.
But I I that actually you going who you going for?
Speaker 8 (59:18):
Right?
Speaker 3 (59:18):
There. Who'd you just think? Did you fire at Petros?
I think it really shows.
Speaker 4 (59:23):
Your you're running for vice president.
Speaker 2 (59:26):
Really, it shows your your ability to focus, especially after
that Donnie brook all caused by a black leper con
tunnel moments before the game.
Speaker 4 (59:35):
Well, I think it was overall. It was racial insensitivity.
It caused me to make the tackle.
Speaker 3 (59:39):
Yeah, I agree, we got to get one back.
Speaker 6 (59:42):
I just didn't realize how racially motivated and stimulated Jonas
Knox is until I knew that race always played a
little bit into what he's got going on.
Speaker 3 (59:53):
But now I realized how deep that river runs in him.
Speaker 4 (59:56):
I just remember the name of their Mexican punt return.
Speaker 3 (01:00:00):
Now, now, can I ask you guys this?
Speaker 4 (01:00:04):
Yeh?
Speaker 3 (01:00:04):
Is there the possibility that there could ever be a
Mexican leprechaun?
Speaker 4 (01:00:10):
Yeah? You know, female lens everything. How about this?
Speaker 8 (01:00:17):
So len a male one of the world's greatest actors
of all time since passed away. Most people thought he
was a Greek man. He was not Mexican. Irish Anthony
Quinn the original Mexican Leprechaun. Oh yeah, really yeah, guns
an Avarone, damn very interesting you all about that?
Speaker 4 (01:00:39):
I know all about that.
Speaker 5 (01:00:40):
Well, here, I guess i'll deth hold a little bit
here the Irish Guard, which Petros you can probably speak
to if you remember.
Speaker 4 (01:00:48):
They were the really, really tall dudes.
Speaker 5 (01:00:50):
They had to be like sixty three years right, But
that's all changed now too, which it's it's a little
I mean, the whole point of it. I think their
physical presence was supposed to be imposing right now, I
right and now, and now they don't have to be
six three anymore. They don't have to be, you know,
(01:01:12):
quite fill out the same build I think they used to.
That's changed a bit too.
Speaker 3 (01:01:15):
So they've softened, softened up on it and they let
chicks do it too. Huh.
Speaker 4 (01:01:21):
I'm not going that far. I'm just saying it's not
like it used to be, all right, so we've lost
all our tradition. I'm not sure if.
Speaker 3 (01:01:35):
By the way, if you were easily offended, this was
not the segment for you.
Speaker 4 (01:01:41):
I had none that. I just came out to the tunnel.
I was overwhelmed, was black.
Speaker 8 (01:01:47):
I didn't know why it upset my teammates so much.
I wish there was trash dog through the mouthguard. That's
all I wish.
Speaker 3 (01:02:00):
You get him on X at the old p Petricks.
Speaker 4 (01:02:06):
They pick it up off the dirty ground and stick
it back in your mouth.
Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
He goes to the Petros money show. You can hear
on the blow tour a M. Five seventy l A
sports Petros. We appreciate it.
Speaker 8 (01:02:17):
There you be all right, love y'all, all right back,
Save the rivalry.
This is the best of two pros and a couple
Joe with Lamar airings and rating win and Jonas Knots
on radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
We've got all sorts of fun conversation to get into.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
And where do we start?
Speaker 2 (00:19):
The interesting storyline from Minneapolis last night, our friends listening
on the Yalla Horn of the Twin Cities watch their
team put together an offensive crap veest.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
Yeah they built a brick house.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Yeah it was not ideal. And the Golden State Warriors
get it done? Or should we start with the gag
and a half by the Cleveland Cavaliers at home?
Speaker 4 (00:43):
What a gag job?
Speaker 5 (00:45):
I can I ask you guys this? I mean, obviously,
I think it's pretty well known. I grew up a
Cleveland sports fan, and there's been a lot of heartbreak
over the forty years.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
That I've been on this planet. What is this rank?
Speaker 5 (00:58):
I know it's again its second round NBA Playoff game,
but to be up twenty at points in the third quarter,
seven of up seven with forty eight seconds left, at
what point do you throw this up there with some
of the biggest collapses.
Speaker 6 (01:14):
It's I think it's up there with the Michael Jordan
buzzer beater.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
It's it. It is. Yeah, I mean that's a good
one too. It's that's as.
Speaker 6 (01:26):
Demoralizing as you'll get.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
That's it's like.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Why does it Happenland? Why?
Speaker 4 (01:34):
You know what?
Speaker 5 (01:35):
I don't know why. All I know is this is
everyone else out there is Stop complaining. You can bitch
and moan about your team's lack success or whatever hardships
you've been through.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
Just shut up, just stop.
Speaker 5 (01:51):
No one knows misery like Cleveland sports fans.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
Okay, We've been through it. We've seen it all. I've
lived it. Okay, trust me like it is.
Speaker 5 (02:03):
I don't know why, but for some reason, the Cleveland
sports franchises battle through this bs all the time.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
It's unbelievable.
Speaker 6 (02:14):
It really is unbelievable, which is weird because your Ohio
State is good and even that times, Youngstown State is
good like the I.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
Mean, moult Union probably is the most championships at.
Speaker 6 (02:26):
Their level of any But you guys got Cleveland Saint
Nick Nations, you got Mallard and High School like you used.
Speaker 5 (02:33):
To be good Man he Old and Tangi Liberty took
it last year where it was a bird Brolin Berlin
may have been at men it last year.
Speaker 6 (02:40):
But I just don't know why it stops at pros
for y'all.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Are the Lake Erie Monsters still a juggernaut out there
or no?
Speaker 4 (02:49):
I don't know, man, I just let's let's just move on.
Let's just move on to the game. Let's get this
one over. I mean, you do it.
Speaker 5 (02:55):
Look, there's two ways of looking at this. Either you
were like, all right, we got off to a hot start.
I think a lot of people would have been pleased
with the game being as close as it was for
a final score with everyone out that was out before
the game. But the problem was once you saw the
first half, like d Mitch was going off, the team
(03:15):
was kind of Jared Auten was playing well, like the
team was kind of rising up out around him. You're like,
all right, we got this. You know, we dropped the
first one. This is a good team with the best
team in the East. You know, based on the regular season,
we played really well this year.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
We got this.
Speaker 5 (03:30):
And then I don't I mean like little things like
you don't box out Nie Smith on a free throw
or I missed free throw, and then somehow you can't
box out and get a rebound. You allow Haliburton to
essentially just eat up clock time and get to the
top of the key to take a three to win it.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
Like, I just I don't even know how to put
that in the context.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
I think it was Greg Anthony who said everything that
Indiana needed to happen happened, happened the final moments, literally
everything every bound went their way, that even the miss
free throw ended up back in the shot to win it.
Crazy crowd is just like wait what just so?
Speaker 4 (04:09):
And you're how quiet it was?
Speaker 5 (04:12):
I mean it was the I mean, I'll say this
when you're away team and you go in and you
win a game on the road, And I've said this before,
like there's nothing greater than hearing silence at a stadium.
Like I remember walking out of the Big House when
it's just quiet, and you're like, this is awesome.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
Like there, I mean you could.
Speaker 5 (04:31):
There's something about like doing something to make people cheer.
There's also something even more powerful, make about controlling the audience.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
And making them silent.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
It is true.
Speaker 6 (04:41):
Listen, the storyline coming out of the Game one is
the series over. Damn it's over. What's the biggest storyline
if they get.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
Back to full strength you're calling it right now. He
just won the series.
Speaker 6 (04:54):
It's they won the series last night because I hit
it Donovan.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
But Donovan Mitchell, come to the sticks, pick.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
The Undertaker's back. He's putting people.
Speaker 6 (05:07):
Donovan Mitchell is not from this planet. I mean, he
played like he was from a different place and a
different time.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
Away from here. He was.
Speaker 6 (05:18):
He was so good. I mean, that's as good an effort.
He put up forty eight points. That's as good as
singular man effort as you're gonna get.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
In the game.
Speaker 6 (05:30):
It was a megastar effort, and they still managed at home,
they still managed to give it away.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
They still tang give.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
To me the fact that Halliburton didn't have.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
A game, give it to him, Bar League, prepare for this.
Speaker 6 (05:54):
At the end of the game, well, he scored what
eleven twelve points at the end of the game. Didn't
even like had nineteen points in the game, Bary and bar.
It was a well played game, but it clearly was
in Cleveland's control for the entire game.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
The entire game.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
They led the entire game.
Speaker 6 (06:20):
Donovan Mitchell dominated them the entire game.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Cleveland was having a good time in Cleveland.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
The entire game.
Speaker 6 (06:28):
It looked as though Cleveland was cruising to an easy
Game two victory. And if you went to sleep, if
you stepped away, if you hit the restroom, checked on
your kids, you came back and you realized something weird,
something strange, was happening, And right then and there you
realize that this is Cleveland, and Cleveland served it up
(06:55):
on a platter, very nice and very cold, and it
was an ale. And that ale shall serve as the
catalyst of the end of this run of this season
for the Cleveland Cavaliers. And they're faithful fans.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
Man save this. Cleveland will come back and win this series.
There's there's my bet on this.
Speaker 5 (07:26):
But I want you to mark this down and save
it so we could play it back for var. Hopefully
it'll be a good sport about it.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
We'll see.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
I'm never a good sport.
Speaker 6 (07:35):
Like if I win, I'm a I'm a horrible sport.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
If I lose, I'm worse. So I won't be a
good sport.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
That doesn't make it fun. People like self deprecating humor.
It is fun.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
I am self deprecating, though, are you yes?
Speaker 4 (07:49):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (07:50):
And I'm very and I'm very sarcastic.
Speaker 6 (07:53):
See my sarcasm doesn't always go across with you guys,
but I definitely am.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
I generally do not make myself serious.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
It's not what else see there. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
I do it with everybody, now do it with everybody.
Speaker 6 (08:07):
I was sarcastic this morning with Trisha and she didn't
take too kindly too. That's why I came into the studio.
I wasn't planning on coming in the day. What happened, Well,
you know, did you get the Lee treatment? Just getting
the kids? No, I was already on the couch, and
plus our couch is probably better than our bid, so
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doesn't matter. I can't lose. I definitely can't lose wherever
it is that I would end up laying my head.
So you're not like you're put me in a bad
space by saying get out or anything.
Speaker 5 (08:42):
Do you feel like you've ever been in a worse
spot in your relationship than Lee is in most.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Of his No?
Speaker 6 (08:49):
No, because here's the thing, right, if it ever gets
remotely close to how things go the way Lee does things,
I'm out Like I'm out, and I'll tell you I'm done, But.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
You've never reached it, And I don't care if it's.
Speaker 6 (09:05):
Like I've told my wife before, like you want to
go there, like we're done.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
You never reached in to brush your teeth, and you
see hers as filed down to a shive, you know what.
I've seeing that before.
Speaker 6 (09:17):
If I saw that, then I would know that there
there are plans, and I would plan accordingly. But again,
I'm not the passive aggressive type like California and j'a
are very passive aggressive. Y'all don't know how. I don't
like conflict, but I don't shy away from it. Like
if you bring conflict my way, I'm going to address it.
Speaker 5 (09:40):
So like if you're if you're going to the bucket
like you're you're kind of get a little extra contact
as you put up the layup.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
That is what you're saying.
Speaker 6 (09:47):
I'll take it, man, I'll take the extra contact. I'll
expect the extra contact.
Speaker 5 (09:52):
But like Jonas will dip away from he fades, well,
you know, get into it.
Speaker 6 (09:59):
Lebron has been living in l a way too long
because his flops have totally taken on and embraced the
personality of how California.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Are we just gonna ignore what the hell happened? What
was that did you sneeze into the mic. That definitely
was a cough.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
Why would you do into the mic?
Speaker 6 (10:20):
I don't think he realized his mic was on, or
maybe he's lit up, he's Maybe he might be tired though,
because he's doing double shifts.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Yeah, he's doing double dude.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
Are you doing double shifts the whole weekly? Yeah? Yeah, I'm
good for you. Just finished up with Ben yeh at
you working hard? Why don't you give me this?
Speaker 3 (10:39):
I give him Loreo because every day year.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
And a half, Loreada.
Speaker 5 (10:45):
Question Lorena. Almost Hey, Lredo, You're never questioned. It's a
little more questionable.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Dang, Lorena, I'm gonna be more questionable. Congrats, congrats Lorena.
Don't be more questionable.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
Yeah, don't don't do that.
Speaker 6 (10:59):
We were on your uh, we were on your social
story yesterday. Don't be any more questionable than what you
were yesterday.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
How about that? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (11:06):
Wait what keep it calm, keep it cool? I mean
she she well, she pushed them over. She pushed them
over to if if if Lorena's post yesterday that was
the equivalent of the last the last part of the
game for Halliburton, Like she showed up at the end
of the game and delivered the goods.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
By the way and won the game. By the way.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
How about Haliburton hitting the shot and then giving the
symbol for uh for brass balls right afterwards?
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Ian a little uh, which, by the way, I think
the first time I would.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Listening, you basically take your two hands and it's like
you're carrying a bowling too heavy.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
But you know what the reference is to, right? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (11:49):
It's Major League too, isn't it league?
Speaker 4 (11:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Yeah, there, y'all watch an American werewolf in London. What
what is this.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
But top of on.
Speaker 6 (12:01):
So the So you got problems early on fourteen?
Speaker 4 (12:09):
Huh? You can't handle it at fourteen? His head's always
in the gutter.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
You This dude's problems are so real. Man, all right,
So should we listen to uh speaking of I got
problems anonymous? That's that's what you.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
Keep talking about. What you want to talk about?
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Chris Finch, the head coach of the Minnesota Timberwolves.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Everybody's going to try to turn this into a thing.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
Huh.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
Well he uh.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
He did talk about the struggles of Anthony Edwards and
then was asked whether or not he needs to have
a talk with ant Man. Afterwards, let's take a listen
with Anthony.
Speaker 7 (12:49):
You know, I thought he's was uh, you know, he
struggled early and then you could just kind of see
the light go out a little bit for a while,
and then you know, obviously we had to try to
get him going in the second half. But I think,
you know, it was one of those games where he
kind of came out with the predetermined mindset of what
he was trying to do and just rather than just
playing the game that was in front of him, what
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is there to talk about?
Speaker 4 (13:11):
I mean, you're there, You're.
Speaker 7 (13:12):
The leader of the team, and you got to come
out and set the tone. You know, in all ways
that that happens. And if it's if your SHOT's not
going like you you still have to carry the energy,
you know. So I don't think there's if I got
to talk to guys about having the right energy coming
into opening around game, opening the second round game, and
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you know we're not you know, we're not on the
same page.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
So normally I would say, I wonder how that's gonna
land with insert any NBA player. Anthony Edwards is not
the one I'm worried about.
Speaker 6 (13:45):
Do y'all have the soundo Anthony Edwards. Yeah, I mean,
but it's he took. He said it starts with me,
I'll play better.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
And he seems like the type of guy where he's like, yeah,
he's right, I gotta be better.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
The whole team played poorly.
Speaker 5 (13:59):
Yesterday, knowing Chris Finch, Chris Finch wouldn't say that outwardly,
that is something that he wouldn't say to Anthony Edwards.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (14:07):
You know, he's the type of coach that he'll speak
speak directly to his players and he'll know what players
can handle that too. You know, there's there's been players
that have come through there in the past that I
know he didn't feel I could handle that sort of thing,
but Anthony Edwards can't. And that's why he's in the
position that he is. That's why he's so meaningful to them.
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And the truth of the matter is if I look
at the adjustments that Golden State made playing more zone,
essentially begging Minnesota to kind of break down their zone
with shooting, then they couldn't hit a shot last night.
You know that, ultimately, I think is going to be
the demise for Minnesota. We kind of talked about, like
what makes Golden State so dangerous.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
It's a team that's built on three point shooting.
Speaker 5 (14:52):
And even though Draymond struggled in the past, he pitched
in last night, Buddy Heald was back doing Buddy Heald's things.
You know, Jimmy Butler all around played played pretty well
in Steph's absence. But that team collectively, I think they
played a what twelve players. You know, Golden State is
built to be able to hit shots from the outside,
force other teams to play that same game against them,
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and they know they're better than most at that and
or they're gonna win more often than not. And that's
what it came down to. Like you can talk about
energy or whatever else you want out of Anthony Edwards
that series, it doesn't matter fad energy, Like, you're not
gonna win if you cannot shoot well enough or to
keep pace with the Golden State Warriors.
Speaker 6 (15:31):
It was the rebounds, and it was the threes. They
hit eighteen threes to the Timberwolves five, And that's just
that's crazy. Eighteen threes to five. You definitely and sheer
run of the mill thirty nine point different and they well,
they were at they were at like forty forty forty
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eight forty seven something like that. Well, the Warriors weren't
the but the Timberwolves they were bad. They were something.
They was crazy. They something for twenty two, like six
to twenty two something crazy, but or five obviously five
or for something. Anyway, I think the biggest thing coming out,
the biggest storyline coming out of that game is obviously
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one hundred percent Steph Curry's health.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
What's his health moving forward?
Speaker 6 (16:20):
If you do not have Steph Curry moving forward, it's
just like it's just like saying that if they don't
have Jimmy Butler, if you don't have those two dudes
in the game, this team stands the chance of not
being as good. Like Hill is building a name for himself.
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He's playing very well and he has no problems chucking
up that three.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Did he wear the wrong shorts? I think they had
to stop the game because Buddy Heal came out in
the wrong shorts.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
Really, I didn't notice. I didn't know it can change.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
That's crazy.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Yeah, And Jimmy Butler said afterwards, said, yeah, we need Steph.
He's our best player and it's a lot more difficult
to play without him. And if this this is a
hamstring strain they're calling it. I don't know how that
it doesn't get soft tissue injuries. That doesn't get better quickly,
It just doesn't. You got to try to manage it.
That's why I'm not worried about Minnesota in the series.
Speaker 6 (17:20):
They played as poorly as you can play, like, that's
the thing about it. And it's Game one. They played
as poorly as they can play, and I just don't
see them staying staying at that level of execution. Again,
Anthony Edwards said it, and I think I think Randall
and Edwards capture the essence of what what happened in
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yesterday's games, and and the coach said it as much
as well, which is interesting because the media tried to
twist it up and make it a divisive play, saying that, oh,
coach said that you didn't come out and set the tone, Anthony,
and that's kind of not what he said. He said,
we rely on him, and we depend on him. But
Anthony Edwards really handled it very well. I mean, he
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state took responsibility for it, said they you know, he
got to his places where he wanted to get to
on the court, he got the looks that he wanted
to get He just wasn't finishing, and they had a
poor shooting game the game before. They've been able to
overcome it. I think the Timberwolves will. They will bounce back.
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They're not going to have that low of offensive output again.
Like I would be willing to say they're not going
to have that type of output in any more games.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
I'm not going to be that low.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
The only thing I would be cautious to go there
on is that this is now two games in a
row for them, because when they finished off the Lakers,
they didn't shoot well that game either, correct, this is
now translated into another game, and so I I don't
know if it's a slump or if it's just a Listen,
they got a little bit too bad.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
They got to playoffs yet.
Speaker 6 (18:59):
But I mean, and you know, it sounds like that's
what they were trying to put out there, is like,
oh's is it in your guys' heads?
Speaker 3 (19:06):
Like is it in your head that you're gonna miss?
Speaker 4 (19:08):
Is it?
Speaker 6 (19:09):
Like it's a mental like they kept coming at them.
I don't think that.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
I don't think they stay there though, I really don't know.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
I don't either.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
They played really good defense they play really good defense.
Speaker 6 (19:20):
They just needed to rebound better and make their shots.
If they've rebound better, they make their shots, it's probably
a different game. So we'll have to wait and see.
I think that that is right now. Out of the
two games we watched yesterday, that the two series. If
we're comparing those two series, I mean we got some
interesting series obviously in some more games, but those two,
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I mean, that is clearly the most anticipated game. Like
watching that game take place, I don't know where that
goes if Steph Curry continues to be injured though, That's
that's the thing.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
It was nice seeing Pat Spencer get some burn time,
as Brady calls it, you know up top, that's your
your your prototymal, prototypical, got him in there.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
Nice prototypical, white guy, okay t shirt.
Speaker 8 (20:09):
Underneath white tape on the on the rist.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Oh yeah, nice. Good to see him get a little
run there.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
Call him the pistol, huh that much.
Speaker 9 (20:21):
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Speaker 2 (20:35):
I would like to start off by apologizing. There was
a lot of sarcasm, but I want to apologize to
one Jerry Jones. He was talking about a substantial trade
being done this offseason. I thought he was just full
of crap. And he was, you know, having a couple
of iced teas, maybe with a little bit of booze
mixed in, and he just threw out a bunch of
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stuff to try and please Cowboy fans who are not
happy about the current state the team. And then all
of a sudden, this went down.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
Breaking news from Fox Sports.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
According to Adam Schefter of ESPN, the Dallas Cowboys and
Pittsburgh Steelers are working to finalize a trade that will
send wide receiver George Pickens to the Cowboys in exchange
for draft pick compensation. The trade is expected to be
finalized today. It's the second time in six months the
Cowboys have traded for a wide receiver. In November, the
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Cowboys acquired wide receiver Jonathan Mingo and a twenty twenty
five seventh round pick for the Panthers in exchange for
a twenty twenty five fourth round pick. Now the Cowboys
are dealing for another receiver George Pickens. Schefter went on
to say soon to be Cowboys wide receiver George Pickens
is headed into the last year of his contract and
will want a new deal. His agent happens to be
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David Mullagetta, whose name Cowboys owner Jerry Jones said he
did not know while talking about a new deal for
Micah Parsons.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
So here we go.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
That's the substantial trade Jerry Jones was talking about, and
apparently it'll be George Pickens later today to the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
So I won't Mason glory Hill. Thank you.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Oh wow, Okay, thank you?
Speaker 5 (22:12):
All right, Easy there, Jerry, don't get too excited now.
This this makes a lot of sense. You mentioned they
did this last year and training for Mingo. I don't
know that they got what they were hoping for out
of Jonathan Mingo, but you add Pickens alongside Ceedee Lamb
and that's quite the tandem.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
So I think they've got they've got what they're looking for.
Speaker 5 (22:33):
Look, they didn't didn't spend a draft pick on a
wide receiver in this year's draft, and that maybe led
to some signs that there was something in the works
or that they were going to address it in some capacity.
We knew this was a potential issue, not just because
of how last season ended for Pittsburgh, but also when
you bring in DK Metcalf, there's probably a thought that, well,
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George Pickens can't be excited about having to share the
ball or maybe being the number two or see the
DK Metcalf and some of their other options there in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 4 (23:04):
Uh, with that trade.
Speaker 5 (23:05):
So it makes a lot of sense from you know,
trying an extension how things have may be gone there
in Pittsburgh so far, but also the need of the
Dallas Cowboys. So uh, look at Jerry Man, a man
of his word. We gotta we gotta trust him with it.
Speaker 6 (23:19):
It certainly will be must see TV because Ceedee Lamb
does not like when he does not get the ball.
And by what we've seen out of how George Pickens
handles things. Who who I mean, I guess it's gonna
come down to how they situate the lockers make I guess,
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make sure you put Ceedee Lamb and and and George
Pickens strategically right next to one another in the locker
room so that they can talk and have Kumbaya moments
and stuff like that and be okay going on to
the field. But like I said, I never met a
receiver that wasn't always open, and I never met a
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receiver that got enough balls. Pause and and you you know,
listening to the SoundBite that we heard from from Elak
Neighbors the other the other day and listening to him
talk about, you know, you got three receivers, you got
a tight end, you may release a back. You're talking
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about five options of throwing the ball to Will there
be enough balls for Ceed Lamb and George Pickens to
catch in Dallas? And how does that? How does that work?
I think that that's going to be when this happens,
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that's going to be one of the singular biggest things
that Brian Schottenheimer and co. Will have to manage as
it applies to what you're doing with this group. And
as far as as I'm concerned with the Steelers, you
are getting out of a situation where you know, maybe
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they've already maybe he's made it clear, Pickings and his
representation have already made it clear that they're not playing
without a new contract, and the Steelers don't want to
do it. So this is something that they're they're doing
out of a necessity. But is this Steelers team putting
themselves in position to win this year? If I'm looking
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at this current Steelers team where they are at right now,
that would have to be an emphatic no, they're not.
So is this a rebuild year, like in the truest
sense of rebuild, because I don't know how they're going
to compete in such a competitive division with what their
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roster looks like today.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
Does that change of Aaron Rodgers sins there?
Speaker 3 (25:58):
Who is he throwing it to?
Speaker 5 (26:00):
Well, you still have DK, Calvin Metcalf, Calvin Alson stepped
up as a gadget. You know, they drafted Robert Watson
last year, a fine rookie season, and then don't forget
they signed Robert Woods and he's still to me, got
a lot left in the tank.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
I mean, do you feel confident in those names?
Speaker 4 (26:21):
I mean if you.
Speaker 5 (26:21):
Had friarm youth to that, if you look at their backfield,
their run game, yeah, and they've got kind of don't forget,
they've got Cordero Patison as a returner slash kind of
a slash player for them too.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
In this offense. I think they have enough. I that's
who your quarterback is.
Speaker 6 (26:35):
If you get Aaron Rodgers, that might be talking me
slightly off the ledge, But just because it is Aaron Rodgers,
I'm gonna stay with my feet on the ledge because
I don't know what type of player I'm gonna get
or what's going to happen with him being the quarterback.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
If they were really planning on rebuilding there, they wouldn't
have traded for dk Metcalf and they wouldn't have even
had this conversation or waiting game with Rodgers. They just say,
all right, let's tear it down to the studs and
let's go. But I think they do believe Rogers are
going to be there, and if he's there, yeah, they
got a shot.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
What if he's not good?
Speaker 6 (27:07):
What if he what if he's what if he's not
up to the standard of what you need your quarterback
to be At this point in his career, it's very
possible that he doesn't live up to the standard and
the expectations. So if he doesn't, does it just mean up?
That's it? Who's up next, Who's who's behind him, who's
backing him up? The goal shouldn't be is he good
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enough to win you a super Bowl. The goal should
be is he good enough to keep Mike Tomlin's winning
season record attack set.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
I'm half kidding, No, you're not half kids. I do
believe that that's that's a major story here.
Speaker 6 (27:46):
You're being a smart ass since you're doing like that,
they really do hold on to that. That's like precious
gold Mike Tomlins just like the Ravens, like preseason record
like that's like always a note. I mean, I don't
think it's about him getting a winning record. It is
one hund about them winning the AFC North and being
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a favorite as they approached the playoffs, being a contender.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
I mean, they're not going to win the division, but
they could be a playoff team.
Speaker 6 (28:19):
Well that's the expectation. And if that's not what's being sold,
and if that's not what they're seeking to achieve, then
that's going to put a lot of pressure on corporate,
you know, to make decisions. They're going to have to
decide what they're going to do. Because I don't think
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winning seasons is crazy to think that, but which because
it does make sense in the old NFL, especially it
makes sense I mean not too long ago. I mean
you look at what Marvin Lewis was able to do. Hell,
Jason Garrett was there for for a while. You can
look at numerous coaches that have had a long, long
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leash in terms of what they're able to do just
because the team is winning, and you don't get they
don't get rid of coaches.
Speaker 4 (29:14):
But I don't know.
Speaker 6 (29:15):
That that's going to continue to last in Pittsburgh. I
don't know if that's the catalyst or that's deciding factor.
I got they just have a winning record this year.
I got a bad feeling about this. George Pickens and Dallas's.
Speaker 5 (29:29):
That's I think it's the underrated conversation is I mean,
he's gonna go wild at Dallas.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
I mean he was already not happy, you know, in
Pittsburgh they had to talk to him multiple times over.
Now he's gonna be in Dallalls with no extension in place.
He's gonna have to deal with Ceedee Lamb being the
top target. Jake Ferguson's there, he gets a bunch of
balls thrown his way. So you've got that in Dallas,
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no contract extension and an agent who the owner has
already said, I don't know who that guy is. This
this thing could go sideway. They really could go with
a first time head coach. He just moves moved chairs
in the locker room because he thought that would ignite
him fire. Under some people, this thing could be a disaster.
Speaker 4 (30:16):
Little George Pickens locker's gonna.
Speaker 6 (30:17):
Be which, by the way, people are getting upset about
me saying that that's wow to stand on that hill
and die on like I'm with them, that's crazy.
Speaker 5 (30:26):
Here's the thing is, it's hard to and I get
it because it does sound goofy.
Speaker 4 (30:29):
But I have you back.
Speaker 6 (30:30):
And when we talked about yes you did, I mean
they don't understand it. I don't think there's a sentimental
especially like again, I used Darryl Green as an example.
Darryl Green was probably on year like sixteen or something
like that when I got there seventeen eighteen, something like that.
This man had his locker, the same locker for probably
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fourteen or so years of that time, and shake it up.
You're going to move that man's locker without having the conversation.
I'm not saying don't shake things up or move things
around or whatever, but you need to understand that. And
he does. Schottenheimer one hundred percent. He's been around it
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too long. You got to talk to your vets on
stuff like that. When there's things where there's routine created,
like don't compare this to your office building, don't compare
it to your profession. Don't compare it because it's not comparable.
And I'm sorry it's not. But when you have created
a habit and this is your place and you've earn't
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the right to be a veteran where you've been in
that organization for so long, where you've established like, imagine
if you came in there, maybe this one works better
instead of Darryl Green. Maybe people don't relate to it.
Imagine if you came in and told Tom Brady or
Peyton Manning or Patrick Mahomes that they got to use
a different locker.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Like some of these guys had. Like didn't Tom Brady
have two lockers.
Speaker 6 (32:05):
One with his stuff and one for stuff that he signed,
like dude had.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
Some of these dudes had more than one.
Speaker 6 (32:11):
Locker, Like like to act like there's some type of like, oh,
just shut up and play football, Like that's not how
it works.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
Oh yes it is. Nothing else has worked in Dallas.
Speaker 6 (32:23):
Well you know what, that ain't gonna that's certainly probably
gonna add to the list of things that didn't work.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
Yeah, but you can't like these are like I'm telling
some of these fans.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Here you go, they've got Stockholm syndrome. They'll just buy
whatever the organization sells them because they have no choice,
Like oh yeah, yeah, no, this is a great idea.
They can't just be critical that. Yeah, so desperate the
Cowboys fans are.
Speaker 4 (32:48):
Yeah, it's real.
Speaker 6 (32:49):
You chose to chose to come for me over lockers
being shifted and changed. Screw you, damn Yeah.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
Take that.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
By the way, Jordan Schultz, who is up and awake
and he is tweeting about the deal. Uh, he did
say that it is a third round pick back to
the Steelers and day three pick swap for the Cowboys
in exchange for George Picketts.
Speaker 4 (33:14):
They do not think very highly of him. No, that's
kind of the going rate though, Is that the going right? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (33:20):
You look at some of the veteran receivers who want
a new deal, they go for about a third and
something like a third and to fifth. Didn't it was
it ab Remember they sent ap to the Raiders. Wasn't
that for a third and fifth?
Speaker 3 (33:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (33:31):
Was it really yeah, there's been a there's been a
number of receivers that's been it's been somewhere in that
somewhere in.
Speaker 4 (33:37):
That standing to be corrected.
Speaker 6 (33:39):
He was at the height of his career when he left,
when he left Pittsburgh.
Speaker 5 (33:46):
Right now, there was baggage there, which I think it
was a baggage.
Speaker 6 (33:49):
Yeah, yeah, but but maybe the playing aspect of it
was that true.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
Yeah, but who knew.
Speaker 5 (33:55):
One of the things though, on the outside, I think
we don't value third round pick as much as teams do.
I mean, that's one of the reasons why there's compensatory picks,
and when teams get those third round compensatory picks, it's huge.
But you're talking about getting a top one hundred player.
I mean, when we say that like that, that's the reality.
Like you're talking about getting a top one hundred prospect
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in the NFL Draft, the best out of college. Then
you're gonna get for much cheaper. And so if a
team is willing to say to you, all right, here's
what we're willing to do with our organization. We are
willing to give a guy away who we feel like
might be you know, he's a thousand yard receiver, a
really good player, but we don't feel like he's gonna
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be worth the money and the headache that comes along
with him. We'd rather take another player at that third
round spot. He's gonna be cheaper and we feel like
we'll be able to produce just as much, or we
can find a starter at that position, you know, just
as easily as we can pay George Pickens and then
deal with all that.
Speaker 6 (34:56):
So well, I get it. Fun while it lasted, buddy,
good luck to you so long.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Yeah, well, listen, George Pickens is in Dallas. The Steelers
got some draft capital, and now they just wait, wait,
wait on Aaron Rodgers. Hopefully that'll get done soon. But again,
apologies to Jerry Jones. He said it, he did say it,
and they made a move and now we just wait
for the fireworks. It is two pros and a cup
(35:26):
of Joe. Here on Fox Sports Radio, LeVar Arrington, Brady Quinn,
Jonas NOx with you.
Speaker 6 (35:30):
So again, if you're just listening in. I mean, he
was a second round draft pick too. It was not
like he was a first rounder. He was in the
second round. He's talented, though, man, he is talented.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
George Pickens expected to be traded and finalized. Later today,
George Pickens on his way from Pittsburgh to Dallas. He
will be a Dallas Cowboy in exchange for some draft picks.
That was the breaking news that just popped up a
short time ago. Here on Fox Sports.
Speaker 9 (35:56):
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Speaker 2 (36:07):
We kick off our three of this Wednesday edition per usual,
with the one and only Petros Papadakis. He is the
co host of the Petros and Money Show, which you
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Sports a Fox College football analyst, and you can find
him on x at the old p Petros. Good morning
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out with hell on morning.
Speaker 4 (36:30):
Hello to everybody, sir.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
So, we were kind of kicking around the news that
came out that Notre Dame and Clemson we're going to
have this long rivalry starting in twenty twenty seven.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
They're going to go all the way up until twenty
thirty eight.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
Rivalry.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
Yeah, and they're they're going to be playing each other
annually and yeah.
Speaker 5 (36:48):
Apparently they have to start a new one because there's
some old ones that some of the athletic directors.
Speaker 4 (36:53):
Want to get out of.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
Yeah, what's with the well.
Speaker 4 (36:55):
I don't think it's the AD.
Speaker 8 (36:58):
I don't think the AD at USC wants to get
out of it Jen Cohen. But Lincoln Riley's talked about
getting out of it a whole bunch, and that's what
he said to me.
Speaker 4 (37:09):
It's shameful.
Speaker 8 (37:09):
It's probably as embarrassing as Lincoln Riley's kind of been
after year one. It's probably one of the worst things
I think that USC type of people point to where
they say, this guy doesn't understand our tradition.
Speaker 4 (37:26):
This guy doesn't understand what it is to.
Speaker 8 (37:28):
Coach here and what this place, football wise, is known for.
I mean, USC, Notre Dame is a great I know
that there's so many things that have gone by the wayside.
The backyard Brawl, the Holy War, Oklahoma versus Texas bedlam
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is now.
Speaker 4 (37:49):
Gone, and I just.
Speaker 8 (37:54):
Those things are all unfortunate, and when they bring back
the rivalries, it's always great. It's kind of hard to
imagine with the seismic shifts that we've kind of seen
in the last decade plus in college football that these
things could keep happening. But it is shameful that Lincoln
(38:17):
Riley talks about getting rid of Notre Dame USC. But
just because you play somebody every year doesn't make it
a rivalry. It just means you play them every year.
Speaker 4 (38:27):
It's not you.
Speaker 8 (38:31):
That I was offended by that, but I'm well, I
mean it should be exciting. I mean, there are two
great programs with.
Speaker 5 (38:40):
And I think here's what younger, the younger generation would say,
is like in recent history, it's it's kind of become
like quasi of a of a rivalry because of how
how good the programs have both been, how tight the
games have been they've played in.
Speaker 4 (38:57):
And I think that's really look.
Speaker 5 (38:59):
There trying to everyone's always trying to make something out
of something, right, like they're trying to make a new
robvalry if you can do that in today's age, And
I think that's what they're more.
Speaker 4 (39:07):
Trying to say. This is starting to become.
Speaker 8 (39:10):
Trying to manufacture something as opposed to looking at one
hundred plus years of your history. Sounds about right for
modern day college football. And it's like the Kardashian effect. Yeah,
it's the same thing. We keep eating the meal that
they tell us to eat. And you know what, if
Notre Dame's playing Clemson, everybody's gonna watch. If it's a
good game, it's going to be very exciting, There's no
(39:32):
doubt about it. I don't think Notre Dame USC is
going to go away. When it does, we can talk
about it. But what Okay, let me ask you this.
Thinking about it is wrong and I and I disagree
with it.
Speaker 5 (39:46):
Okay, so I want to I want to ask you
this then, because who ultimately makes the decision.
Speaker 4 (39:52):
I mean, if Jen Cohen's the athletic director, doesn't she
and she hires the TV the TV companies sadly. Yeah,
but this is different.
Speaker 5 (40:00):
This is different because the Big ten is not going
to say no, we don't want you to play Notre
Dame because you and I both know that allows let's
be let's be real about it. It allows Fox, NBC
and CBS to get have one of those games.
Speaker 4 (40:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (40:13):
Yeah, they don't want it to end. No, No, so
then I don't think it will. I mean, if if
somebody ends it, it will be from the influence of
Lincoln Riley, who is about as USC as Caid McNown.
I mean, in my opinion, like.
Speaker 4 (40:31):
Lincoln Riley is not as Caid catch a straight. Yeah
that's cool.
Speaker 8 (40:35):
Yeah, I saw, I saw Corey Pause was old. You
started thirty seven games at U C l A at
the uh yeah, at the Beach Life Festival over the weekend.
So we we talked a little bit. It was nice
to catch up with them.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
I mean, Caid's still really from that Miami loss and
you get a you get a's Aid McNown Yeah sure.
Speaker 8 (40:59):
But you know Kate yeah sure. But overall, top to bottom,
I think that if Lincoln Riley was winning eleven games
a year and competing in the Big Ten for a championship,
or people actually thought that, or there was a bunch
of buzz around USC's program or a quarterback that they
(41:21):
have or anything, maybe maybe they would take him more
seriously when he talks about ending the Notre Dame rivalry.
But I think that's a guy who's got to win
a lot more if he's going to talk about the
Notre Dame rivalry or what it's like to coach at USC. Ever,
as far as what their traditions are and what you're
(41:42):
supposed to do as a USC head coach, and I
think a lot of that kind of escapes him. If
he had won, if he's had more success, maybe they'd
take him a little bit more seriously. But I'm not
sure who takes him seriously.
Speaker 5 (41:52):
When he talks about it, it sounds like an air
rate approach. Is that a fair way of putting him?
Speaker 8 (41:57):
Yes, everything weak and offensive is an air approach. JJ
Reddick is an air.
Speaker 3 (42:02):
Raid in him.
Speaker 8 (42:06):
No, we don't need a big guy. Look, we're in
it offensively. Look we almost took the lead at one point.
We're fine. My philosophy is great. This has nothing to
do with my philosophy.
Speaker 4 (42:15):
Just got to be in better shape. Yeah, yeah, No,
I got a forty year old and a fat guy.
Let's play him the whole time.
Speaker 6 (42:21):
Tang, what was your memories like Petros? Like you guys
didn't do well against Notre Dame when you were in
school all that. That's not true.
Speaker 8 (42:31):
We beat Notre Dame in a ninety seven on a
field goal.
Speaker 4 (42:36):
That's true. Then you beat him again. That was exnighting.
Speaker 8 (42:39):
And then we were out there in ninety eight and
uh you beat him then? No, no to nothing? Yeah
ten nothing, we beat him ninety eight. Here and then
in ninety nine I was out there lost, I was hurt,
and there was like one of the great comebacks in
the history of the rivalry after.
Speaker 4 (42:57):
A big, a big lead that we had built. That
was that was upsetting.
Speaker 8 (43:02):
And then in two thousand they beat us here with
what was the name of the white guy in the
Levechio Matt Yeah, some tryhard punk ass quarterback, great number.
Speaker 4 (43:16):
Yeah, and we got beat.
Speaker 6 (43:18):
So but what were your memories connected to it, Like,
is there anything in particular that you.
Speaker 4 (43:24):
Remember if you want to talk about it. I don't know.
I would loved about it before dying. Yeah, I would
love it. Like it's on life support. They've called him
hospice and the robberies dead.
Speaker 8 (43:35):
The rivalry is not dead, damn it. I saw Bob
Davey hit the ground.
Speaker 4 (43:40):
Uh. There used to be uh a tighter tunnel turned
that job down, baby.
Speaker 8 (43:46):
Yeah, from what I understand, there was a tighter tunnel
in uh in Notre Dame Stadium when I was playing.
Then there is now. They might even have them come
out of opposite tunnels or something.
Speaker 6 (43:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (43:56):
Actually the tunnel's never changed.
Speaker 5 (43:58):
They have the away team now come out through a
different tunnel.
Speaker 4 (44:01):
Got it so they can avoid some of.
Speaker 8 (44:03):
The Yeah, we were lined up like opposite Notre Dame,
like literally on one side.
Speaker 4 (44:09):
Of the tunnel and they were on the other side
of the tunnel. What would you be saying.
Speaker 8 (44:15):
I mean, this was nineteen ninety seven and I was
very I was young, and you know, this was my
first trip out there, never never been there before, and
it's an overwhelming place to take the field. At least
it was for me as far as the cradle of
college football and watching USC Notre Dame my whole life,
(44:35):
and hearing the song and the big Midwestern sky and
all that. For a kid from Los Angeles area, that
was pretty darn special. And we were lined up on
one side of the tunnel and they were lined up
on the other. And I don't know if I told
you this story. They had a you know, they always
have a leprechawn, Yeah, like a guy who's a leprechaun
(44:57):
running around. Yeah, And you know, it's like a different
kind of mascot because you can see the guy's face.
Speaker 4 (45:03):
You know, it's not like a chick.
Speaker 8 (45:05):
In there or an administrator or somebody like you know,
whoever's in the costume. It's it's a person kind of
like the guy or the lady that's on top of Traveler,
the usc horse. So I don't know what it was
or what happened, but this in ninety seven, the Leprechaun
was a black guy.
Speaker 6 (45:24):
I was just about to ask you, did you get
the black leper Kahn got the black lef okay?
Speaker 4 (45:28):
Perfect?
Speaker 3 (45:29):
I knew there was there was something too.
Speaker 4 (45:31):
I was like, it's because.
Speaker 3 (45:33):
That's why you like reggae.
Speaker 8 (45:35):
Well, I mean the Leprechaun, the Leprechaun being lepern For
whatever reason, the Leprechaun's race incensed some of the.
Speaker 4 (45:44):
Black guys on our football team.
Speaker 3 (45:46):
They got yeah, like they were making fun of black people. Yeah,
I don't know what I make A black man was gone.
Speaker 5 (45:53):
It's like, do you know how many black guys have
fought for the right to be the leper con And
now it's.
Speaker 8 (46:00):
Not like I was going to be able to explain
that to some of my teammates through my face mask.
Speaker 4 (46:04):
You know, when I was a very young player to
be cut.
Speaker 8 (46:09):
Well, this guy, this guy was obviously very much into
his job. He was proud to be the Leprechaun, and
he was not a big man, but he was you
know he was black?
Speaker 3 (46:21):
Uh usually the little black man, little black leper.
Speaker 4 (46:23):
Coun little black like Kevin Hart.
Speaker 3 (46:25):
Right and uhang literally.
Speaker 4 (46:28):
You know is he not small? I mean?
Speaker 8 (46:29):
And then you know, usually the leprechaun is a white guy,
not just a white guy, but a white guy.
Speaker 4 (46:35):
With red hair, right, so ginger.
Speaker 3 (46:38):
Like Princeville, which is like connected to Ireland, right right?
Speaker 4 (46:41):
Yeah, absolutely, you know.
Speaker 8 (46:43):
And he could also be punching somebody in the face
while drinking as well, and that would be even more connected.
And you know, maybe he has like twenty kids nine
months apart.
Speaker 6 (46:52):
Another Irish you know, Irish said Irish triplets.
Speaker 8 (46:57):
This guy happened to be black Irish Irish twins, all right,
this guy happened to.
Speaker 4 (47:03):
He checked off the kid thing?
Speaker 6 (47:04):
Man, can he check can he check off the Irish part?
Speaker 4 (47:09):
Irish?
Speaker 8 (47:10):
I'm telling you, I don't know the guy. I just
knew it was a black leopard.
Speaker 3 (47:13):
Did any sound Irish when you heard?
Speaker 8 (47:15):
I don't remember what he was saying, but whatever he did,
Tyrone O'Malley, whatever, Tyrone O'Malley did that day, dang incense.
Some of the black guys on our team. And just
so you know, in ninety seven US he did have
more than one black guy. Yeah, it was you know,
they had integrated the Tea.
Speaker 3 (47:34):
Tang then by ninety seven it was integrated. By time.
Speaker 8 (47:38):
It wasn't like the SEC, which was all white still
in nineteen seventy Tang.
Speaker 4 (47:43):
It was whatever happened both. It was like the movie like.
Speaker 8 (47:49):
Braveheart or three hundred when you see the two armies
come together, you know, the leper Kaun, the leper Kahn
because the gigantic t wide fight in the tunnel between us.
That's Chris Claiborne, Chris Clay, Corey Minor. You know, they
(48:09):
had the little Mexican punt returner and everything. Everything comes
back to race for me anyway, and that's era I'll
never forget. You know. Bob Davey, like Van Gundy style,
was on the ground like holding onto somebody's leg, you know.
And this was before for whatever reason, there was no
(48:30):
TV camera in there, so uh, you know, no.
Speaker 4 (48:33):
One saw the fight.
Speaker 8 (48:35):
There was some reports of it, and it got broken
up pretty quickly and we went.
Speaker 5 (48:41):
Yes, Petros, you've done an impression before. That's one of
my all time favorites, and it's.
Speaker 4 (48:47):
You talking trash with your mouthguard in Oh yeah, well
what was this a moment game? No, I didn't say anything.
I was just dumbfounded.
Speaker 8 (48:56):
But uh, later in the game, well right, you know,
when the game started, Notre Dame had a punt returner
kick returner named Alan Rossam who was guy played long
time in the NFL and really explosive guy. And on
the opening kick, h he almost took it like he
(49:19):
took it eighty And I was pretty fast in those days,
and I ran him down and tackled him on our
opposite twenty and I mean it was the first play
of the game, and I stood up and you know.
Speaker 4 (49:32):
They got I was like, oh my god. He said
my name, you know.
Speaker 8 (49:37):
And I remember walking off the field and our old
trainer at USC who was who was my father's trainer
when when my dad played there.
Speaker 4 (49:48):
He was so old.
Speaker 8 (49:49):
Once he cut a cost cast off my hand and
sliced my entire palm.
Speaker 4 (49:56):
He was like, you did it. You saved a touchdown.
You saved a touch down. And then the next play
we just watched it.
Speaker 3 (50:02):
Yeah, And the next play watched watch you chase him.
Speaker 8 (50:06):
Down, and then the next play they scored a touchdown.
I was like, I saved it. But that was the game.
We ended up winning on a field goal. And I
remember we went back into the locker room after the game,
and at that time, the Notre Dame visiting locker room
had a real low ceiling, and everybody started jumping up
(50:26):
and down, and the ceiling started to cave in and
they did something like of like ten dollars of damage
to the to the locker room.
Speaker 4 (50:35):
And I remember John Robinson saying like stop wark Star,
you know, and that was so I remember.
Speaker 3 (50:45):
Uh.
Speaker 10 (50:45):
Some of our players were also such a wet feeling,
like Richard Nick, who cares if he's black one of
the hold on, man.
Speaker 4 (51:02):
What you get carried away for? Don't what you're doing? Man?
Speaker 3 (51:07):
God, that John Robinson impression is my favorite.
Speaker 4 (51:11):
Well, you know, he's an old man.
Speaker 1 (51:12):
He died.
Speaker 8 (51:13):
You know, no one remembers anymore. You know, he used
to be very significant. But anyway, I also remember some
of our players in the SC Notre Dame game. In
that particular game in ninety seven, the first time I'd
ever been to South Bend and I've only been a
few times. Uh, a lot of our players had also
(51:33):
never seen a kilt.
Speaker 6 (51:35):
Yeah, so that threw them off. Uh well, I mean
these dudes running around with dresses on. Man, Yeah, yeah,
shirts on.
Speaker 4 (51:42):
Like if you don't get off the field, I'm gonna
pull up your skirt, you know, like that kind of
time your cat that.
Speaker 8 (51:49):
Yeah, it's like the six foot white guy and you know,
right up behind him as some dude breathing in his
ear from Fremont High.
Speaker 4 (51:55):
Like, hey, I see your skirt. You know.
Speaker 8 (51:58):
It was kind of a memorable trips, no doubt about that.
And I hope, I hope that was enough of a
dissertation for somebody to hear and scrap the idea that
sc notre Dame shirt.
Speaker 6 (52:12):
Were you happy as Like what was you feeling when
you made that tackle though? Like for real, because I
know when you make a big play, like like I
don't know about you, Like I didn't hear anything during
the plays. It's weird, Like everything goes quiet for me,
but as soon as I make a play, I can
hear everything.
Speaker 8 (52:30):
Yeah, it was a disorienting experience for me, you know.
Speaker 3 (52:34):
So it was just like you were relieved that you
got to him.
Speaker 8 (52:37):
Well with my head all bobbling around, you know, Yeah,
everything that happened to me in a football game happened
so fast.
Speaker 4 (52:44):
I didn't really realize.
Speaker 8 (52:45):
It until, you know, it was just done fifteen seconds later.
And that I think is what sometimes escapes people watching sports,
especially college football, because of the young people and the
pressure involved.
Speaker 6 (53:00):
I think, I guess what I'm trying to ask you, Petros, though,
is like, did you get action because you made a
big play on special teams against Notre Dame? Like when
y'all were drinking beers later on and hanging out, did
you well were you popular?
Speaker 4 (53:13):
We had to fly home, you know, and uh, you know,
so you don't get home till like.
Speaker 8 (53:19):
Four or five in the morning. Okay, when you play
at South Bend. I do remember my grandmother, God rest
her soul.
Speaker 4 (53:26):
You know.
Speaker 8 (53:26):
I grew up in a liquor warehouse. My my grandfather
owned liquor stores. Ok So she would always bring a
box of little tiny liquor bottles lee and then hand it.
She always traveled, so you know, she would hand me like,
you know, maybe eight or nine or twenty bottles.
Speaker 3 (53:44):
Or twenty yeah, eight or nine.
Speaker 4 (53:46):
And I'd share them on the plane. Okay.
Speaker 8 (53:48):
No, I mean, guys would say, did your grandma come?
And we would we would we would drink the liquor
in the back of the plane. I believe there was
a fistfight on the plane on the way home, some
set tripping on the way home. And I also believe
that Chad Morton was bullying a guy that we that
(54:09):
we had on the teammates. That Chad was bullying a
guy that had turetts called Shakes, And right when we arrived,
like four in the morning, right when we arrived at
the hotel, uh uh, Shakes had had enough and just
started to beat Chad's ass. And I remember people stopping
(54:32):
team officials from intervening so Shakes could get a few
more shots. So no chicks talked to me after that game,
but I saw two fights, one of them was gang related.
And we got home at like four in the morning.
And the next day John Robinson said there.
Speaker 4 (54:48):
Was a fart in the bus. Sometimes bullied the war.
Speaker 3 (54:57):
They can't draine to fluid off of his I mean, geez.
Speaker 4 (55:10):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (55:10):
The transition back to the Lakers, two questions, how will
the season.
Speaker 4 (55:14):
Be remembered and.
Speaker 5 (55:21):
How will how will they transition this offseason to get
this roster to a point where they where they can
compete for championships because.
Speaker 4 (55:29):
Clearly they need a big man.
Speaker 5 (55:31):
There's the questions around Brownie, there's the questions around conditioning.
If you ask JJ Reddick, you know so, So that's
kind of the other part of the question.
Speaker 8 (55:40):
Well, I think that everything that everybody said at the
beginning of the season was kind of the way it
all came to fruition, Right, JJ Reddick is immature, and
he's going to get exposed at some point, and man,
he got his balls washed. You know, from the middle
of the regular season on, everybody was saying, Wow, what
(56:01):
a great job we did hiring JJ Reddick. And sure
he's condescending and he's really insufferable to listen to, but
look at what a great job he did, and many
really handled out how to deal with Jokich and blah
blah blah, and ultimately in the playoffs he ended up
trying to do stuff that no one had ever done before.
Speaker 4 (56:21):
And there's a reason because he got exposed.
Speaker 8 (56:24):
I mean, he got whatever it means for his future
as a coach, I don't know, but he got exposed.
The Browny doesn't deserve to be in the NBA. That
played itself out to, you know, to where he had
the worst shooting percentage, the worst this, this, this, and
this you know in the NBA probably absolutely should have
(56:45):
stayed in college and continue to develop. And ultimately Lebron
looked too old at the end, and Luca looked too
fat at the end. Well you know what does that
mean going? And they weren't big enough, which is what
everybody said. And I thought that that guy Windhorse made
an interesting point. Had they made that trade with Charlotte
(57:05):
and brought in that big man, would JJ Redick even
have played the guy, Which is a great question. So
I don't know what it means for the future, But
basically it's kind of like Danny Green. The Lakers are
who we thought they were, and that's why we took
the field.
Speaker 4 (57:26):
Do you hear? Yeah? They are who we thought they.
Speaker 2 (57:30):
Mike Drop, Hey, Petruss, we got a little something special
for you here if you're ready for it.
Speaker 3 (57:34):
This courtesy of NBC.
Speaker 2 (57:37):
Way back in nineteen ninety seven, the opening kickoff between
the Trojans and the Fighting Irish from South Bend, and we.
Speaker 4 (57:50):
Are underway here at Holby Dame Stadium. Wilson has it
at the four yard line with the fifteen twenty ever
doing we.
Speaker 8 (57:58):
Turn up the metal to far side across the book,
still going at the fifty, he sets two tackles at the.
Speaker 4 (58:05):
Twenty five yard light and unbelievable.
Speaker 8 (58:07):
Return at Petro's papadacas saves the touchdown.
Speaker 4 (58:19):
Nothing fancy about.
Speaker 3 (58:20):
This return change, Yo.
Speaker 8 (58:22):
I even have a photo of it, and somebody sent
me me tackling. That's like one of like four tackles
I made as a college football player. So we're very proud,
thank you. Wow, that's amazing production.
Speaker 3 (58:35):
Was that was that Don Kricky on the call?
Speaker 4 (58:38):
Somebody like I just remember I would have done the radio,
I believe right. I think it was something like that.
Speaker 8 (58:44):
I remember meeting with two very old men before the
game is one of the subjects because I was supposed
to carry the ball a bunch of that game, which
I didn't.
Speaker 4 (58:55):
And uh then I felt kind of stupid.
Speaker 3 (58:57):
About that great play though, and he got it. You
gotta very first play the game, the old p petros Se.
Speaker 8 (59:04):
I mean, at the time, people tell football stories and
they misremember or whatever, or they say they.
Speaker 4 (59:11):
Were in China when they were really you know, in Florida.
But I I that actually you going who you going for?
Speaker 8 (59:18):
Right?
Speaker 3 (59:18):
There. Who'd you just think? Did you fire at Petros?
I think it really shows.
Speaker 4 (59:23):
Your you're running for vice president.
Speaker 2 (59:26):
Really, it shows your your ability to focus, especially after
that Donnie brook all caused by a black leper con
tunnel moments before the game.
Speaker 4 (59:35):
Well, I think it was overall. It was racial insensitivity.
It caused me to make the tackle.
Speaker 3 (59:39):
Yeah, I agree, we got to get one back.
Speaker 6 (59:42):
I just didn't realize how racially motivated and stimulated Jonas
Knox is until I knew that race always played a
little bit into what he's got going on.
Speaker 3 (59:53):
But now I realized how deep that river runs in him.
Speaker 4 (59:56):
I just remember the name of their Mexican punt return.
Speaker 3 (01:00:00):
Now, now, can I ask you guys this?
Speaker 4 (01:00:04):
Yeh?
Speaker 3 (01:00:04):
Is there the possibility that there could ever be a
Mexican leprechaun?
Speaker 4 (01:00:10):
Yeah? You know, female lens everything. How about this?
Speaker 8 (01:00:17):
So len a male one of the world's greatest actors
of all time since passed away. Most people thought he
was a Greek man. He was not Mexican. Irish Anthony
Quinn the original Mexican Leprechaun. Oh yeah, really yeah, guns
an Avarone, damn very interesting you all about that?
Speaker 4 (01:00:39):
I know all about that.
Speaker 5 (01:00:40):
Well, here, I guess i'll deth hold a little bit
here the Irish Guard, which Petros you can probably speak
to if you remember.
Speaker 4 (01:00:48):
They were the really, really tall dudes.
Speaker 5 (01:00:50):
They had to be like sixty three years right, But
that's all changed now too, which it's it's a little
I mean, the whole point of it. I think their
physical presence was supposed to be imposing right now, I
right and now, and now they don't have to be
six three anymore. They don't have to be, you know,
(01:01:12):
quite fill out the same build I think they used to.
That's changed a bit too.
Speaker 3 (01:01:15):
So they've softened, softened up on it and they let
chicks do it too. Huh.
Speaker 4 (01:01:21):
I'm not going that far. I'm just saying it's not
like it used to be, all right, so we've lost
all our tradition. I'm not sure if.
Speaker 3 (01:01:35):
By the way, if you were easily offended, this was
not the segment for you.
Speaker 4 (01:01:41):
I had none that. I just came out to the tunnel.
I was overwhelmed, was black.
Speaker 8 (01:01:47):
I didn't know why it upset my teammates so much.
I wish there was trash dog through the mouthguard. That's
all I wish.
Speaker 3 (01:02:00):
You get him on X at the old p Petricks.
Speaker 4 (01:02:06):
They pick it up off the dirty ground and stick
it back in your mouth.
Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
He goes to the Petros money show. You can hear
on the blow tour a M. Five seventy l A
sports Petros. We appreciate it.
Speaker 8 (01:02:17):
There you be all right, love y'all, all right back,
Save the rivalry.
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