May 23, 2025 • 44 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Is the best of two pros and Lamar rating Win
and Jonas Knox on radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
How's everybody feeling here on this football Friday.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
That's a wrap. Call it, call it bar Just go
ahead and call it now.
Speaker 4 (00:20):
Man, I'm not ready to do it yet. But it's
bleak and I ain't talking about Memphis bleak. Minnesota bleak.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Well, they always say that, you know, a series doesn't
start until a road team wins a game, and uh yeah,
so we'll see, we'll see, uh see if Minnesota can respond.
I'm just not a fan. I'm not a big fan
of you know, the throwing yourself on the ground, the hooking,
getting every h I mean, it's the truth, though trolling,
(00:54):
It's true.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
No, it's the truth. You're still you're trolling though.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
He he hooked his way through so fro the ground
to thirty eight points last night.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
I'm not listen. He's a great player. But if you
watch him play and you watch s g A, you
can't tell me that he doesn't get the benefit of
the doubt when it comes to a lot of this stuff.
Speaker 5 (01:13):
Benefit of comparing him to the film Mannequin is that
what you're saying.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
You love Mannequin. That's one of your sneaky top five
movies of all time.
Speaker 6 (01:22):
Definitely not.
Speaker 5 (01:23):
I would never say that, but I feel like you're
comparing it to Mannequin right now.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
So as soon as you look away and you look back,
it's just just stiff his hail. Huh. Yeah, I'm talking
about the Wait wait, I'm talking about the mannequin.
Speaker 7 (01:40):
Yeah, all right, well I'll beat at beach whatever you know,
whatever video was sent over yesterday, which, all right.
Speaker 5 (01:51):
I'll go ahead and do it. I'll go ahead and
do it. Series is over, Yeah, play that.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
You go ahead and throw that about this.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
We haven't gotten that fixed. That sounds brilliant. It's also
racist because he's got because he's got.
Speaker 5 (02:08):
A damn so weeny. It's just so weeny. But I
just I feel like they're so deep. He's playing out
of his mind. It's no one's gonna beat the thunder.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
No, they're playing poorly on Minnesota side. I mean you
need it. Contributions from from Randall. He's struggling, you know,
to shoot. The defense has been smothering for okay. See
Chad Holmgren is showing his value as a player. The
wind puppet is is winding uh the Minnesota Timberwolves. So
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you know, all in all, it's still could turn into
a good series. I wonder in my mind, did he
hold you know, did the coach hold Randall and go
bearing them guys out to rest them and say hey,
let's let's go back and defend our home court. You know,
one game you're one game away from being right back
in the series. You're one game away from really being
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out of it too, but you're one game away from
being back in it. So you know, Randall, if you
get some type of of of relief or or contribution
that is of significance from from Randall, it's a different game.
And obviously that's been you know to me in yesterday's
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game that that was the difference. And again we looked
at the game that they were able to have success
in the last series, and Rudy Gobert looked like he
was the MVP of the National Basketball Association SGA. Well,
I told you all, he's not going to have another
game like that. I mean, I don't you know, he's
he's been respected as a defender even like gets rebounds,
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but nobody's ever looked at him as being like a
rebounder score and threat that way, and you know that
snuck up on their their last opponent in the last series.
But that's obviously been been addressed by okay See. Okayc's
defense is is so much of a problem for Minnesota
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because they can't they can't find the way they're they're shooting,
isn't loosening up the tightness of their defense on the perimeter,
and they're not getting behind the ok See defense effectively
enough to be able to win it getting into the paint.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Somebody was saying last night, and I got to forget
who it was, but they were making the point that well,
if you're Minnesota, you just you go back and you
try and find some optimism and you say, listen, our
shots aren't falling, all right, that's that's gonna eventually come around.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
You know.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Shit, it's you know, make miss League and you go
through the and I'm hearing it going, are you sure
about that? Because Okase closes out everything like if a
guy's got a ball, they're on him.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
They're on him and in front of him too. That's
the thing.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
And people have made the point that it's one of
the best defensive basketball teams you've seen in years, and
it really is. And I just wonder if this is really,
to Brady's point, how this series is going to look
because you cannot overcome whatever they do defensively, just can't.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
Yeah, it's discouraging, I'll tell you that. So good because
the shooting woes may very well be because of the defense.
It's not because you're having an off shooting night, like
they're forcing the off shooting nights. So I don't know.
Speaker 5 (05:45):
Good, turn serious, go back and look at the last serious.
I'm Scott, Scott Shapiro, I'm sorry. I'm with you and
all those folks in Minnesota right now.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
All right.
Speaker 5 (05:57):
Once, once Cleveland got knocked out, I was like, all right,
e Wolves fan. I want to see him do it.
I want to see Anthony Edwards do it. I want
to see him take that next step. No disrespect SGA.
It's just they're so good. They're deep, they're great at
like everything. There's not really many and I think what
makes it difficult is their depth allows them to play
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a bunch of different styles. I don't know that Minnesota
can really play the way they'll come City Thunder can,
especially especially if Minnesota has a bad shooting night, which
or if you want to put it that way, or
great defense frocusy.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Either way, I don't know that the series will go
past five.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
I was I was assuming that that Minnesota their length,
like with Rudy Gobert, like with you know, nas Reed
and and and with Randall, that they would be able
to find a rhythm, you know, and and get comfortable
with beating them, beating them up down low, you know,
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creating shots mid mid range game, you know, at the
rim game, you know, finishing at the rim. They haven't
done it. They haven't been able to do it. And
it's interesting because you mentioned the last series, Q think
about the freaking brilliance of Jokice being able to average
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the amount of points that he was averaging, making it
a series against the OKC Thunder. I think it really
like exposes or or maybe even shows how great a player,
you know, Jokic is, because he almost won the series
on his shoulders, on his back, and this is clearly
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a dominant a dominant defensive unit, and they still were
only able to kind of, I don't even want to
say minimize Jokic in that series, but they were able
to find a way to defense them well enough in
order to be able to to win the games. And
now you're seeing it against you know, inferior players to
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what Yokig is. And I think I may mention of
the fact that like this is like a series where
you're like you're taking off the ankle weights and you're
taking off the weight that vest to play against the
team because you don't have to play against the Jokige
in this series. It's probably such a deep breath of
relief to just say we can just play and we
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know that there's a world beater in Anthony Edwards, and
we're gonna let we're gonna we're gonna do what we
can against him. But knowing that if we really really
make it hard for him, which they have, there's no
easy easy outs down the court for him. And if
we really really press the rest of these guys, press Randall,
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you know, minimize go Bear, you know, minimize nas read
those guys, if we really really play it that way,
they're going to struggle to be able to maintain the
pace of what we play at. And it's paying off.
It's paying dividends for for uh for okay. See, so
they're showing that they're clearly the better team. It'll be
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interesting to see going back to Minnesota. Can they make
a series of it again. They're one game away from
making it more interesting, but they could be one game
away from showing that they're still not where they need
to be as a team, and maybe Anthony Edwards isn't
all the way there yet as well.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
I've got an idea, all right, I've got an idea.
Speaker 5 (09:27):
I did some of some theme music though, or something
that kind of helped helped bring the idea to life.
It's possible. I'm not sure if we've got anything back
there in the studio to a studio band or anything
out there, anything at this hour, any music at any
point in time ever.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
I mean, as soon as I see Lorna shift from
looking at.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
The I'm putting in marching.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
Yeah, oh I get it. As soon as I see
you shift, then you're you're looking. I know that's at
least going to be thirty to forty seconds. No shade,
that's no shade, that's just I know it's gonna take
the right there, right shoulder.
Speaker 5 (10:04):
So look, Minnesot' is got one shot at this thing
to go back home. Yeah, this doesn't make any sense
to go back home and win a game, okay, And
I think they can just look a little bit south,
all right. They could look down from Minneapolis and say, hey, Cleveland,
can we borrow that snow machine?
Speaker 3 (10:22):
All right, snow machine.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
We're gonna take the Cavalanche.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
We'll call it the t wolve a lanche call it.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
But you get that snow machine, okay, and when you
go on a flurry of baskets, you let that thing rip.
And that is the only chance the Minnesota Timberwolves have
is borrowing the cavalanche machine. The Cleveland Cavaliers they got
to use once this year to help bring them back
in this series.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
That's the hope.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
I think you're also gonna have to get violent, like
this is gonna have to get really really physical. And look,
it's gonna cost maybe some guys a couple of pay checks,
maybe somebody who get suspended. But I feel like we're
on the brink of Minnesota acting out. We saw Anthony
Edwards throw a ball at SGA in the first game
last night. Jade McDaniels just pushed SGA to the ground
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late in the game because he was just so frustrated
with some of the officiating what was happening. He was
also asked about this afterwards. Here was mcdanielsscha was they're
just a little frustration boy over how what was kind of.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
I just just wanted to found him for I wasn't
even mad.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
It just half thousand youth.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
So they're at the point now they're going to start
acting out, and that's what we need. You want to
make this a series, you got to turn things extremely
physical and whatever that takes, whoever it's gonna cost, you
have to because you can't match up anywhere other than
the physicality potentially. And if you're fed up with the
foul calls and you're fed up with all that, then
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you just need to go ahead. And if you're gonna
get a foul, at least make it a double tack
and get kicked out of the game. Just go all
the way with it. That's the only way this is
going to become a series. I just need to see
how they play at home. If they play much better,
if they're shooting, because you would assume that they're shooting
will be much improved shooting at home. I mean, if
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they're able to generate more offense and be more formidable
on the offensive side of the court. Then it could,
in theory, get interesting. I don't I don't.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
I think this is a dangerous position for OKAC to
be in because they're in such a strategically sound position
right now and you don't want to lose that momentum,
and you certainly don't want to give the Timberwolves any
type of real hope that they can climb back into
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this series. So we're gonna find out. You know, the
questions coming into this year's play is is this OKAC
team ready to take the next step to show the
maturity level of where they're at. SGA ends up getting
the league MVP Award. You know that they're they're able
to prove out. In the first round, they knock off
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one of the champs and the Nuggets and one of
the best players and he was going basically head to
head with to get that MVP award. They send them home,
So that was a major hurdle that they cleared. Now
you're in in a series against an up and coming
superstar that people want to compare to Michael Jordan. Want
to make this team like the next ones up. You
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show Lebron James talking to Edwards saying take that next step,
and here they are hitting a brick wall against OKAC.
I think this is a great opportunity for them to
put their their neck on the or their foot on
the proverbial neck of the Timberwolves and show how dominant
they are. But this could be one of those dangerous
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moments for them where maybe that experience does show, or
or should I say, the lack of experience could show
in the rest of this series. So I'm interested to
see which way does that go. Are they able to
finish it out or does it become a little bit,
as you guys said, a messy. The games made a
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little dirty, a little messier and plays into the advantage
of the Timberwolves at home versus Okay see having a
more cleaner type of game and approach to you know,
how they they you know, are able to finish out
the games.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
From the thunderside of it. I do think it would
be remiss if we didn't give a little bit of
a shout out here to three crucial key components to
the OKAC thunder Chat Holmbren, Isaiah Hartenstein, Yep, Alex Caruso
off top Brady. That's what I'm talking about right there,
up there. They've been very valuable man talking about it.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
Did not show in the last series, did not show maybe,
but the way they again, the way they come up
on you if you don't have and Hartenstein, this, this, this, okay, ye, yeah, Well,
I don't think y'all ever win anywhere. I just think
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that y'all just don't have as many of y'all.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Yeah, we were the c b A.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
That's where we were.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
We're not hide anymore like the Hills have eyes. Right,
we're out.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
We're in the G league.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
I mean, you know, Haliburton is light skin too, So
you know, y'all could debate it. You know, you know,
we don't get into this we got even though he's
what we know. Stick with what we know. Y'all don't
want any borderline type stuff. Huh, not doing it?
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Standing stick with sports.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Can't take sports.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
No one likes that stupid conversation. That's that's happened.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
Ever, can't can't take any chances. I mean, well with
Donald Trump's tan, he won't try to. We try to
debate it a little bit at times. Some of us
are Sometimes some people take the opposite side of what
they Trump.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
By the way, it is important to point out here
on this show Pete Prisco did yeah, so uh yeah,
is Pete Prisco the same tint as the Nick's logo?
Speaker 4 (16:21):
Yeah, I mean the Donald Trump Pete.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Pete Prisco looks like a tan couch.
Speaker 5 (16:28):
He looks his skin looks like that couch, that leather
couch that you've got, Risco, You've had for about four
or five years now.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
It's been beaten up by the sun.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Prisco sits your living.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Room right from the window.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
He looks like a home depot cart.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
The mosquitoes land on. Pete be like, what the half?
What what is that? Damn?
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Where's the blood?
Speaker 4 (16:49):
I'm not a smell something, but this this, this, this
texture doesn't fit with a smelled.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
You know, we don't drink coconut oil.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
Hey, buddy, so we try to tap into this take off.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Okay, this is it is.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
It is important to point out here though, that is
a it's a football Friday. It's a damn Friday here
in the show.
Speaker 6 (17:11):
You know Friday.
Speaker 5 (17:20):
It's Friday, right, come on, right day, Friday Friday.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Come on, come on, come on, what are we talking about?
Speaker 4 (17:34):
What are we talking about? What are we talking about?
What are we talking about? What's going on in football?
What's going on? What's going on? Okay for Eddie, Let's
do it for Eddie. Come on Friday night is a
Friday Football Friday, lock up, sun up, scoring, spig it,
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you can feel it and.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Come on home.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
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Speaker 2 (18:18):
Something that we were talking about in real time while
it was happening, because I felt like we were on
an island alone when it came to a lot of
people who just wanted to complain about the college football
Playoff as opposed to just being like, yeah, listen, it's
got its flaws, but can we just enjoy what we
got here? Well, apparently there's not going to be anything
left to bitch about, right because the twelve team College
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Football Playoff is going to move to straight seting. They'll
have the straight seating model this upcoming year, so no
more automatic first round buys for the four highest rated
conference champs. That means the top four teams in the
Selection Committee's final rankings will get the first round by
I'm sure there's going to be no arguments or disagreements
about any of that one time comes. But nonetheless, at
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least we're going to get some straight seating unlike we
had last year in the playoff.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
There you go.
Speaker 5 (19:07):
This is what I find most interesting about this is
there is such a contrast between the NFL conversation and
their playoffs and college football. So if you look at
the conversation we had earlier this week with Pete Prisco
about the NFL.
Speaker 6 (19:21):
And potentially reseting how they go about.
Speaker 5 (19:24):
You know, determining who gets a home playoff game in
the in the wildcard round. Remember we talked about, hey,
maybe we just get rid of divisions, and then that
way you could actually have every single team in each
conference play each other, and you'd actually be able to determine,
based on the regular season, who is the best record,
who should get the buye, who should get home.
Speaker 6 (19:43):
Field advantage, and you'd have your pecking order.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
But then that kind of throws out the idea of,
you know, playing for something outside of just a super
Bowl or a conference championship. Once you get in the playoffs, right,
you wouldn't be able to play for a division championship
in the regular season. The arguments that we have to
that is, well, it's a little unfair because if you
look at again, the NFC West this year plays the
NFC South.
Speaker 6 (20:05):
The AFC South.
Speaker 5 (20:06):
All right, how many teams, like five teams between those
two divisions had twelve losses or something like.
Speaker 6 (20:13):
That last year. And granted it's a new year, we'll
see what the divisions look like.
Speaker 5 (20:17):
But logic or common sense tells us that's gonna be
an easier schedule, most likely for San Francisco, for example,
I think was the example we were using.
Speaker 6 (20:26):
All Right, now, let's look at the college football playoff.
Speaker 5 (20:29):
And now instead of giving any weight to a conference championship, right, like,
you player eight or nine conference games and you go
off in the term in which.
Speaker 6 (20:39):
Two teams go to play for it.
Speaker 5 (20:41):
Instead of awarding them that, we're now saying, yeah, but
even if you when you're conference championship, you still might
not be one of the top four teams.
Speaker 6 (20:49):
How does that make any sense.
Speaker 5 (20:51):
It's like, at some point the games on the field
have to matter, and instead we're now lobbying or throwing
it out there to the college football Playoff committee allowing
them to say, well, this team didn't win their conference championship,
but they looked really good to us on you, on
the field and on paper, So we're gonna put them
as one of the top four seeds and they're gonna
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get a buy. So there's all sorts of things that
I think I have an issue with it, and I
know a lot of people are gonna be like, well,
hold on a second, you're a Notre Dame guy, Like,
how does Notre Dame factor into all this?
Speaker 6 (21:22):
And Notre Dame doesn't play for a conference championship.
Speaker 5 (21:24):
You're right, we don't, but that also was held against us,
so we never could have a buy. And so now
that the system works out where now to Notre Dame
can't they don't. They're not playing for a conference championship,
and they can have that buy now as part of this.
So I know that a lot of people's minds they
were upset with the way things worked out last year
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in Boise State getting a buy and being one of
those top four seeded teams.
Speaker 6 (21:50):
But that's why you play the games, and they earned
their right to be in that position.
Speaker 5 (21:54):
I think after a year it's a little too soon
for me to make such a reaction like this. And
I understand the argument that when we look at the
Big twelve, you look at the ACC, you don't look
at them the same as the Big ten and SEC.
But I think there's other issues that we face in
college football where we don't play the same amount of
conference games during the course of the regular season. We
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don't force all the power for teams to play more
legitimate non conference opponents, like let's get the scheduling right
in the regular season to make them more comparable to
one another, and then we can after a few years
maybe look at the format and want to change it.
I don't like any of this, especially after one year
of doing it.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Can I ask you as a question, do you think
some of this comes down to because last year it
was cut and dry, Hey, here's are here are the requirements.
If you do this, you get in, these teams, get in, etc.
For the most part, I mean, you still had to
vote and there were rankings and all that. Do you
think part of this is college football looks at it
and says, look, the debate is what is part of
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college five ball? Is so and so number one? Are
they number two? Like that's always been a part of
college football, always part of the sport. This opens that
up more to where now there's no, hey, you're automatically in.
We determine who the top four teams are. We're the
ones who make the decisions. And now it just opens
up further discussion and conversation in discord about who the
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best teams are and who's deserving of it, as opposed
to last year was like, Hey, so and so, when's
the Mountain West they're in, here's what we know moving.
It just feels like this opens up the discussion for debate,
which I don't think they hate from a college football standpoint.
Speaker 5 (23:34):
I don't think that's the progative, Like, I don't agree
with that at all. I think they're trying to get
what they feel like is the top twelve teams or
sixteen in the future if they expand to go play
for a national championship. And I think they're cognizant of
the fact, and this is all put together by Disney
and ESPN.
Speaker 6 (23:50):
They're cognizant of the.
Speaker 5 (23:51):
Fact that you need big brands and this opens up
the potential to having bigger brands as part of it.
And it's one of the reasons why automatic qualifiers has
been such a big topic of conversation for the Big
Ten and the SEC. The conferences are so big now
that if you're asking Southern cal for example, hey, why
don't you guys want to play Notre Dame anymore? Well,
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now they've become a non They were always a non
conference opponent for us, but now they're just a non
conference opponent that every other year we have to travel
more to have to go play them when we do travel,
and we're already traveling more than it is, more than
we used to. So now that doesn't really fit within
the model of what they're trying to do. That's their
argument at least, and I think that's part of the
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issue is you're kind of hurting some of the history
or the.
Speaker 6 (24:36):
Tradition of college football because.
Speaker 5 (24:39):
Of the changing landscape, and you're not incentivizing teams to
play tougher schedules.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
Now.
Speaker 6 (24:45):
If they have an automatic.
Speaker 5 (24:46):
Qualifier, I think Southern cow will be more apt to
renew the rivalry. I think right now they don't want
to renew it because they're fearful that if they have
Notre Dame on their schedule every year and every other
day they have to go to South Bend. That could
keep them from making the college football playoffs. They already
are going to have to travel enough and play a
tough enough Big Ten schedule. Then on top of that,
having a non conference opponent like Notre Dame.
Speaker 6 (25:08):
Is part of that.
Speaker 5 (25:09):
They're like, yeah, we're not really sure we want to
sign up for this, and so you can understand it
because they're just trying to look out for their own
best interest. That's what they did in the first place
going to the Big Ten. But the problem is now
you've got a model where we're essentially saying these thirteen
people they know better than what we're witnessing on the field.
So you're almost incentivized teams to if they lose a game,
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lose a game but not make the conference championship, so
they get a buy there, and then they get the
potential chance of either getting another buy if they looked
apparently to be that good, or hosting.
Speaker 6 (25:42):
A home playoff game.
Speaker 5 (25:43):
That's an essence like what this sets up for for
some of these teams where they might be saying, hey,
maybe it's not best to play for a conference championship
in one additional game because we still might not be
rewarded for it.
Speaker 6 (25:55):
Like at least in the old system, you can win.
Speaker 5 (25:57):
The conference championship, you're gonna be probably ranked hyh enough
to be that. And maybe that's some of the thought too,
is they feel like this will take care of itself,
like the four highest will be probably the four conference
champions from the power for But the caveat is now
they've got the ability to put another team ahead of
one of those, so you don't get a Boise or
an Arizona State who gets a buy automatically just because
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they won their conference and where.
Speaker 6 (26:20):
The rankings are.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
Yeah, I just think it's all it's so much conversation
behind it, and it's so in a lot of ways.
I feel like there's a lot of complexities to it,
like if if you you know, it's just I'm so
conflicted because if you win your conference, that should be
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an accomplishment that is rewarded, and that's what I can't
seem to get away from. And it almost comes back
to does there need to be more of a focus
on the value of what the conference, of what the
conference championship represents, Like how do you find like maybe
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those very issues that are being addressed going into how
you seed the playoff teams should be addressed in how
you're scheduling within the conference, and that weight of what
the conference represents ultimately is respected and recognized by the
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governing bodies or the voters or whoever are the schedulers,
whoever it is that's doing that. It's almost like you
have to figure out a way to have that value
pre playoff, and I don't know how you do that.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
The five highest ranked conference champs are still going to
be in the twelve team playoffs.
Speaker 6 (27:51):
They get automatic, automatically in, but they don't necessarily get a.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
Buy Yeah, so I don't I don't. You know. It's like, Okay,
you're in. You didn't make it to the conference championship game,
but because you have something about what you did in
your schedule, you get a bye, but you didn't even
play for your conference championship. It just seems counterproductive. It
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seems like it's a contradiction, and I feel like it
doesn't do a justice in a service to what's going
to eventually happen in the playoff in my estimation. And
it's really because I mean, if you think about it,
that exists this year, like you had a team that
did not even qualify, Like this is how a layman
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would see it. They weren't even good enough to make
it to their conference championship game. They were knocked out
by a team that did not even make it to
the college football playoff with in conference play, not early,
not an early game, not a non conference matchup within
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the conference. You lost a critical game that costed you
the right to play and compete for the conference title,
and yet you qualify for the playoff and you win
the playoff. Like, to me, it just creates contradictions. Which
I get it. If you make it into the playoffs,
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the playoffs is an entirely different season. A team catches
a hot streak that at the right time they're able
to make it boom boom boom. But I just think
that it creates an asterisk for what you're doing, especially
if you were to say, Okay, they're going to be
the number one rated team coming into the playoff and
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they didn't even play for a conference championship, but based
upon X, Y and Z factors, this is how we're
going to rank and rate them going into the playoff.
It just I can't make sense of it. I have
a hard time making sense of it. Maybe it's just me.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
Yeah, well, listen, I I don't think anybody should get
totally upset about it. I mean, there's worse things in
the world. You could have an injured back, you could
have some other things going on, some ailment.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
So I just want to make sure.
Speaker 6 (30:11):
Oh, we're done talking about this.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
I was gonna keep going.
Speaker 4 (30:14):
I did hear the fingers keep going on.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
I'm just saying to close this out.
Speaker 6 (30:20):
Well, my biggest issue is you're like, are we doing
what's in the best interest of the players in the field.
Speaker 5 (30:28):
Like I think about Clemson, I think about Arizona State,
I think about you know, Boise, and you know, are
you gonna sit there and say to all those players
and all those teams, you did everything we asked you
to do.
Speaker 6 (30:40):
You won your conference.
Speaker 5 (30:40):
Championship, and yet now we're not going to reward them.
And what kind of message does that send, Like, either
either make the conference championships matter or don't.
Speaker 6 (30:50):
And then go back to a model where we don't play.
Speaker 5 (30:52):
Them and your then then your conference games during the
course of the regular season college football matter, and you
can schedule more difficult schedule, so then if you do
lose once or one or two games, you still have
the opportunity to get in. I mean, what you're speaking
to is Ohio State. You know when you make that example,
LeVar and I know you even name them, but that's
the team that ends up, you know, playing a home
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you know field, first round.
Speaker 6 (31:15):
Game against Tennessee. They get hot, they go and to run,
they win a national championship, and yet they lost to Oregon.
Speaker 5 (31:20):
They lost to Michigan in one of the biggest upsets
in that literally history of the game.
Speaker 6 (31:27):
We never seen anything like that.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
Like on their home turn, on their home field.
Speaker 6 (31:31):
So that wasn't damning enough to hold them out.
Speaker 5 (31:34):
And we can all you know, argue about whether or
not they should or shouldn't have clearly, when they played
to their capabilities, they're the best team in the country.
Last year they proved that, and I think that's the
concern for the committee and this almost this is more
this This feels to me like they're giving themselves the
flexibility to say, well, we have a team that we
feel like can go win it all. Yeah, but maybe
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they didn't show it as much, especially late in the season,
And so we're going to find a way of getting
them in. And plus it's a bigger brand. I mean,
how State rates. It's the number one team in regards
to ratings in the country. I mean there's others that
factory to Notre Dame is a part of that. Michigan,
you know, Penn State does as well. There's obviously SEC schools.
But the truth at Texas, the truth is, I feel
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like that's what this is more about.
Speaker 6 (32:21):
This is more about.
Speaker 5 (32:21):
Giving the College Football Playoff Committee the autonomy to be
able to find a way of getting what they feel
like is the more right group of teams to get
to that buy, which I think based off last year
and looking at how many teams were able to get
on a roll and take advantage of the home playoff games,
I don't know that some of those teams wouldn't want
to play, you know, a home playoff game and instead
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of getting a buy and going to the next round,
some of them might want to play that extra game,
especially if they don't have to play on a conference championship. Yeah,
but again that's just my opinion on it.
Speaker 6 (32:55):
You know, clearly I don't feel like Jonas wants the
way on this.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
So I mean I like it. I like the fact
that straight seeding and you want to be rewarded. You
win your conference championship, you get in good. Fine. I
think the NFL should do the same thing. I've said
it all week, so I'm good with it.
Speaker 4 (33:09):
Not that simple.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
I mean.
Speaker 5 (33:13):
That you're not talking about right now. They deserve a
buye though, Like automatic entry is one thing.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Arizona State was sixteenth last year and got a buy No,
Arizona State was sixteenth and they got a buy because
they won the Mountain West.
Speaker 6 (33:31):
Like Arizona State played in the SEC or a Big
twelve of.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
Men in the Big twelve and they got a bye
week because they were the highest ranked team and they
were sixteenth in the country, Like why should they get
a bye? This is This is like the Texans getting
a buye or getting a home game, you know, because
they won the division. Like I just I don't like it.
I think the buyers should go to the best teams
in college football. I understand this gives them the autonomy
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and they're gonna want to focus on big brands because
it rates and all that stuff. I only get it,
but I do think you're rewarding these schools still they're
gonna get in. Maybe they're gonna have to go on
the road, maybe they'll get a home game, depending on
where they are. But I just I like the fact
that it's a straight up and the twelve.
Speaker 5 (34:13):
Understood, just to correct it was it was Clemson. Clemson
was a team that was sixteen. I understand what you're saying,
but they're the ones that add three losses. They won
the acc they got in. That was the most controversial
one because they were outside of the top twelve. Arizona
State started at twelve and the final Ragons, but they
had won the Big twelve, which is why they end
up getting the automatic birth and buy, and.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
So does Arizonas. Do you think Arizona State deserve to buy?
Speaker 5 (34:37):
I do if they win their conference? Otherwise, like why
are we playing conference championship games?
Speaker 4 (34:41):
And that they're in lies the whole conversation. It's like
it takes your tail type of scenario.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Okay, but if you win your conference, you get in.
That's your reward. Why should you buy.
Speaker 6 (34:51):
Too nose that otherwise we're just trying to throw up
like we.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
Could get in, then yeah, that's what you got it, Like,
it's got to be a way to find clarity on
on this this particular what we just said stated two
seconds ago, there has to be a way to find
clarity on what that represents. There has to be like
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that's the circle, that's the that's the hamster whell of
what this is right now? It is, Yeah, And I
don't under I don't. I don't know how you how
you find the balance of value with the rankings and
with the conferences. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
So if you play in an inferior conference and you
win that conference championship, not only do you get in,
you also get a week off, you get a buye.
Speaker 4 (35:41):
A week again, it's just I think it's just trying
to figure out the value of it so that it
doesn't come across that way. It's not fair to say
that about Boise State. It's not fair to say that
about Arizona State. It's not fair to say that about
a team that these kids come out of high school,
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they transfer in the portal. They're all looking for the
same exact thing, the opportunity to go get an education
and play out of school where they can compete for
a national title at any given point in time. If
that dream is not a real dream of reality. Then
that lessons and lowers the value of wanting to go
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to that school. So now that creates a disparity and
talent going from school to school. You'll have the same
two or three four schools that get the same type
of players every year, that win the same games and
win the championship every year. Now, if you create some
parody and teams do have the opportunity to have a
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great season and be rewarded for it, then now you
might have players that are actually willing to go to
other schools outside of the main ones. And so what
does that look like if we all came together and
said we want to go to UNLV and make you
and LV a powerhouse for the time that we're here,
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how is that rewarded if you go there and you're
blowing teams out?
Speaker 5 (37:09):
Yeah, I mean Jonas to LaVar's point, if they go
UNLV is a great example, right, dani Will's taken over.
They've got a bunch of money pumped into this team.
It should be a talented team. They were, you know
in the hunt last year. If UNLV goes undefeated this year,
are you going to say to those kids and the
team like, well, well, you played in a lesser conference,
so you shouldn't get or be able to qualify for
a buy if you end up being one of the
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highest ranked teams.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
I mean, if they're ranked high enough, I trust the
committee's going to make the right call if they're ranked
high enough.
Speaker 4 (37:36):
And I think that's what makes it different. And you're
not wrong. I'm not judging you for thinking that way,
because you're not wrong for looking at it that way.
But what's wrong about it is that they did what
they were supposed to do. If they go undefeed, it
they did what they were supposed to do. So you're saying,
basically because this committee doesn't see the value in them
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going undefeated, which, by the way, being out of UNLV
is probably more difficult in the conference that they're in
to accomplish being undefeated, stuff to do well because the
resources aren't the same.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Like, look, I get it, and I understand that they
should be rewarded, but I view getting into the getting
into the playoff and having an opportunity to win the
whole thing. You're one of the twelve teams in college
football that have an opportunity to win it. You look
on teams that were on the outside looking in Alabama,
South Carolina, Ole Miss. Last year, they would have taken listen,
we'll go on the road. We like, just get us
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an opportunity to be a part of this. And I
do think you're rewarding them. I just don't think you
should reward an inferior conference with a bye week just
because they won that conference.
Speaker 5 (38:46):
Here's the problem is, I think if you if you
push away the group of five teams and you're going
to say there's a clear separation between the power for
a group of five, which in.
Speaker 6 (38:56):
The language we use alone, you already do that.
Speaker 5 (39:00):
So they just need to just flat out and say
it and say, look, group of five, you.
Speaker 6 (39:04):
Can be a part of it. But the reality is
we don't ever feel like you're gonna.
Speaker 5 (39:08):
Be able to have a buye and that it's gonna
get to a point where it just keeps pushing us
further and further down the road of creating a system
that doesn't involve those schools.
Speaker 6 (39:18):
And that's unfortunate for those players in those schools because they're.
Speaker 5 (39:20):
Not gonna be able to have a robust enough, you know,
Division one college football program.
Speaker 6 (39:26):
If you're saying that to exactly what LeVar is.
Speaker 4 (39:28):
Saying, and you're not going to be You're not going
to be able to legitimately say this is your national.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
And by the way, what do you guys care? You
guys are blue bloods, You're notre Dame of Penn State.
You're going to get in. What are you worried about
the gum on your shoe with these other schools.
Speaker 5 (39:41):
But that's the problem is it shouldn't be like that.
You have to earn it. You ki'd just say, well,
they're a blue blood they should be in. That was
part of the issue with Alabama or Ole miss or whoever.
Last year's like, oh, well, they're an SEC team, they
should just get in. It's like, okay, why are we
playing the games?
Speaker 7 (39:55):
Then?
Speaker 6 (39:55):
Like why does any of this matter?
Speaker 5 (39:57):
If we just want to say, hey, these are the
top teams because of their resources or their blue bloods,
or you know, they rate or we think on paper
they should be or on paper they make.
Speaker 6 (40:07):
Better matchups, Like well, what are we doing? Like why
do we play the games?
Speaker 3 (40:11):
Then?
Speaker 6 (40:11):
Wait, we're not going to use those results as indicators
for something.
Speaker 4 (40:16):
It's just qualifiers. Qualifiers is the problem here. You got
to eliminate the qualifiers like, oh they were good, Oh
they went undefeed it, But like, that's not, that's not,
that's not.
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It's a painful conversation.
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
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Speaker 3 (00:16):
That's a wrap. Call it, call it bar Just go
ahead and call it now.
Speaker 4 (00:20):
Man, I'm not ready to do it yet. But it's
bleak and I ain't talking about Memphis bleak. Minnesota bleak.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Well, they always say that, you know, a series doesn't
start until a road team wins a game, and uh yeah,
so we'll see, we'll see, uh see if Minnesota can respond.
I'm just not a fan. I'm not a big fan
of you know, the throwing yourself on the ground, the hooking,
getting every h I mean, it's the truth, though trolling,
(00:54):
It's true.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
No, it's the truth. You're still you're trolling though.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
He he hooked his way through so fro the ground
to thirty eight points last night.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
I'm not listen. He's a great player. But if you
watch him play and you watch s g A, you
can't tell me that he doesn't get the benefit of
the doubt when it comes to a lot of this stuff.
Speaker 5 (01:13):
Benefit of comparing him to the film Mannequin is that
what you're saying.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
You love Mannequin. That's one of your sneaky top five
movies of all time.
Speaker 6 (01:22):
Definitely not.
Speaker 5 (01:23):
I would never say that, but I feel like you're
comparing it to Mannequin right now.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
So as soon as you look away and you look back,
it's just just stiff his hail. Huh. Yeah, I'm talking
about the Wait wait, I'm talking about the mannequin.
Speaker 7 (01:40):
Yeah, all right, well I'll beat at beach whatever you know,
whatever video was sent over yesterday, which, all right.
Speaker 5 (01:51):
I'll go ahead and do it. I'll go ahead and
do it. Series is over, Yeah, play that.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
You go ahead and throw that about this.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
We haven't gotten that fixed. That sounds brilliant. It's also
racist because he's got because he's got.
Speaker 5 (02:08):
A damn so weeny. It's just so weeny. But I
just I feel like they're so deep. He's playing out
of his mind. It's no one's gonna beat the thunder.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
No, they're playing poorly on Minnesota side. I mean you
need it. Contributions from from Randall. He's struggling, you know,
to shoot. The defense has been smothering for okay. See
Chad Holmgren is showing his value as a player. The
wind puppet is is winding uh the Minnesota Timberwolves. So
(02:48):
you know, all in all, it's still could turn into
a good series. I wonder in my mind, did he
hold you know, did the coach hold Randall and go
bearing them guys out to rest them and say hey,
let's let's go back and defend our home court. You know,
one game you're one game away from being right back
in the series. You're one game away from really being
(03:11):
out of it too, but you're one game away from
being back in it. So you know, Randall, if you
get some type of of of relief or or contribution
that is of significance from from Randall, it's a different game.
And obviously that's been you know to me in yesterday's
(03:36):
game that that was the difference. And again we looked
at the game that they were able to have success
in the last series, and Rudy Gobert looked like he
was the MVP of the National Basketball Association SGA. Well,
I told you all, he's not going to have another
game like that. I mean, I don't you know, he's
he's been respected as a defender even like gets rebounds,
(03:58):
but nobody's ever looked at him as being like a
rebounder score and threat that way, and you know that
snuck up on their their last opponent in the last series.
But that's obviously been been addressed by okay See. Okayc's
defense is is so much of a problem for Minnesota
(04:22):
because they can't they can't find the way they're they're shooting,
isn't loosening up the tightness of their defense on the perimeter,
and they're not getting behind the ok See defense effectively
enough to be able to win it getting into the paint.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Somebody was saying last night, and I got to forget
who it was, but they were making the point that well,
if you're Minnesota, you just you go back and you
try and find some optimism and you say, listen, our
shots aren't falling, all right, that's that's gonna eventually come around.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
You know.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Shit, it's you know, make miss League and you go
through the and I'm hearing it going, are you sure
about that? Because Okase closes out everything like if a
guy's got a ball, they're on him.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
They're on him and in front of him too. That's
the thing.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
And people have made the point that it's one of
the best defensive basketball teams you've seen in years, and
it really is. And I just wonder if this is really,
to Brady's point, how this series is going to look
because you cannot overcome whatever they do defensively, just can't.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
Yeah, it's discouraging, I'll tell you that. So good because
the shooting woes may very well be because of the defense.
It's not because you're having an off shooting night, like
they're forcing the off shooting nights. So I don't know.
Speaker 5 (05:45):
Good, turn serious, go back and look at the last serious.
I'm Scott, Scott Shapiro, I'm sorry. I'm with you and
all those folks in Minnesota right now.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
All right.
Speaker 5 (05:57):
Once, once Cleveland got knocked out, I was like, all right,
e Wolves fan. I want to see him do it.
I want to see Anthony Edwards do it. I want
to see him take that next step. No disrespect SGA.
It's just they're so good. They're deep, they're great at
like everything. There's not really many and I think what
makes it difficult is their depth allows them to play
(06:19):
a bunch of different styles. I don't know that Minnesota
can really play the way they'll come City Thunder can,
especially especially if Minnesota has a bad shooting night, which
or if you want to put it that way, or
great defense frocusy.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Either way, I don't know that the series will go
past five.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
I was I was assuming that that Minnesota their length,
like with Rudy Gobert, like with you know, nas Reed
and and and with Randall, that they would be able
to find a rhythm, you know, and and get comfortable
with beating them, beating them up down low, you know,
(06:59):
creating shots mid mid range game, you know, at the
rim game, you know, finishing at the rim. They haven't
done it. They haven't been able to do it. And
it's interesting because you mentioned the last series, Q think
about the freaking brilliance of Jokice being able to average
(07:22):
the amount of points that he was averaging, making it
a series against the OKC Thunder. I think it really
like exposes or or maybe even shows how great a player,
you know, Jokic is, because he almost won the series
on his shoulders, on his back, and this is clearly
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a dominant a dominant defensive unit, and they still were
only able to kind of, I don't even want to
say minimize Jokic in that series, but they were able
to find a way to defense them well enough in
order to be able to to win the games. And
now you're seeing it against you know, inferior players to
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what Yokig is. And I think I may mention of
the fact that like this is like a series where
you're like you're taking off the ankle weights and you're
taking off the weight that vest to play against the
team because you don't have to play against the Jokige
in this series. It's probably such a deep breath of
relief to just say we can just play and we
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know that there's a world beater in Anthony Edwards, and
we're gonna let we're gonna we're gonna do what we
can against him. But knowing that if we really really
make it hard for him, which they have, there's no
easy easy outs down the court for him. And if
we really really press the rest of these guys, press Randall,
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you know, minimize go Bear, you know, minimize nas read
those guys, if we really really play it that way,
they're going to struggle to be able to maintain the
pace of what we play at. And it's paying off.
It's paying dividends for for uh for okay. See, so
they're showing that they're clearly the better team. It'll be
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interesting to see going back to Minnesota. Can they make
a series of it again. They're one game away from
making it more interesting, but they could be one game
away from showing that they're still not where they need
to be as a team, and maybe Anthony Edwards isn't
all the way there yet as well.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
I've got an idea, all right, I've got an idea.
Speaker 5 (09:27):
I did some of some theme music though, or something
that kind of helped helped bring the idea to life.
It's possible. I'm not sure if we've got anything back
there in the studio to a studio band or anything
out there, anything at this hour, any music at any
point in time ever.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
I mean, as soon as I see Lorna shift from
looking at.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
The I'm putting in marching.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
Yeah, oh I get it. As soon as I see
you shift, then you're you're looking. I know that's at
least going to be thirty to forty seconds. No shade,
that's no shade, that's just I know it's gonna take
the right there, right shoulder.
Speaker 5 (10:04):
So look, Minnesot' is got one shot at this thing
to go back home. Yeah, this doesn't make any sense
to go back home and win a game, okay, And
I think they can just look a little bit south,
all right. They could look down from Minneapolis and say, hey, Cleveland,
can we borrow that snow machine?
Speaker 3 (10:22):
All right, snow machine.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
We're gonna take the Cavalanche.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
We'll call it the t wolve a lanche call it.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
But you get that snow machine, okay, and when you
go on a flurry of baskets, you let that thing rip.
And that is the only chance the Minnesota Timberwolves have
is borrowing the cavalanche machine. The Cleveland Cavaliers they got
to use once this year to help bring them back
in this series.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
That's the hope.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
I think you're also gonna have to get violent, like
this is gonna have to get really really physical. And look,
it's gonna cost maybe some guys a couple of pay checks,
maybe somebody who get suspended. But I feel like we're
on the brink of Minnesota acting out. We saw Anthony
Edwards throw a ball at SGA in the first game
last night. Jade McDaniels just pushed SGA to the ground
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late in the game because he was just so frustrated
with some of the officiating what was happening. He was
also asked about this afterwards. Here was mcdanielsscha was they're
just a little frustration boy over how what was kind of.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
I just just wanted to found him for I wasn't
even mad.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
It just half thousand youth.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
So they're at the point now they're going to start
acting out, and that's what we need. You want to
make this a series, you got to turn things extremely
physical and whatever that takes, whoever it's gonna cost, you
have to because you can't match up anywhere other than
the physicality potentially. And if you're fed up with the
foul calls and you're fed up with all that, then
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you just need to go ahead. And if you're gonna
get a foul, at least make it a double tack
and get kicked out of the game. Just go all
the way with it. That's the only way this is
going to become a series. I just need to see
how they play at home. If they play much better,
if they're shooting, because you would assume that they're shooting
will be much improved shooting at home. I mean, if
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they're able to generate more offense and be more formidable
on the offensive side of the court. Then it could,
in theory, get interesting. I don't I don't.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
I think this is a dangerous position for OKAC to
be in because they're in such a strategically sound position
right now and you don't want to lose that momentum,
and you certainly don't want to give the Timberwolves any
type of real hope that they can climb back into
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this series. So we're gonna find out. You know, the
questions coming into this year's play is is this OKAC
team ready to take the next step to show the
maturity level of where they're at. SGA ends up getting
the league MVP Award. You know that they're they're able
to prove out. In the first round, they knock off
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one of the champs and the Nuggets and one of
the best players and he was going basically head to
head with to get that MVP award. They send them home,
So that was a major hurdle that they cleared. Now
you're in in a series against an up and coming
superstar that people want to compare to Michael Jordan. Want
to make this team like the next ones up. You
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show Lebron James talking to Edwards saying take that next step,
and here they are hitting a brick wall against OKAC.
I think this is a great opportunity for them to
put their their neck on the or their foot on
the proverbial neck of the Timberwolves and show how dominant
they are. But this could be one of those dangerous
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moments for them where maybe that experience does show, or
or should I say, the lack of experience could show
in the rest of this series. So I'm interested to
see which way does that go. Are they able to
finish it out or does it become a little bit,
as you guys said, a messy. The games made a
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little dirty, a little messier and plays into the advantage
of the Timberwolves at home versus Okay see having a
more cleaner type of game and approach to you know,
how they they you know, are able to finish out
the games.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
From the thunderside of it. I do think it would
be remiss if we didn't give a little bit of
a shout out here to three crucial key components to
the OKAC thunder Chat Holmbren, Isaiah Hartenstein, Yep, Alex Caruso
off top Brady. That's what I'm talking about right there,
up there. They've been very valuable man talking about it.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
Did not show in the last series, did not show maybe,
but the way they again, the way they come up
on you if you don't have and Hartenstein, this, this, this, okay, ye, yeah, Well,
I don't think y'all ever win anywhere. I just think
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that y'all just don't have as many of y'all.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Yeah, we were the c b A.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
That's where we were.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
We're not hide anymore like the Hills have eyes. Right,
we're out.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
We're in the G league.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
I mean, you know, Haliburton is light skin too, So
you know, y'all could debate it. You know, you know,
we don't get into this we got even though he's
what we know. Stick with what we know. Y'all don't
want any borderline type stuff. Huh, not doing it?
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Standing stick with sports.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Can't take sports.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
No one likes that stupid conversation. That's that's happened.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
Ever, can't can't take any chances. I mean, well with
Donald Trump's tan, he won't try to. We try to
debate it a little bit at times. Some of us
are Sometimes some people take the opposite side of what
they Trump.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
By the way, it is important to point out here
on this show Pete Prisco did yeah, so uh yeah,
is Pete Prisco the same tint as the Nick's logo?
Speaker 4 (16:21):
Yeah, I mean the Donald Trump Pete.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Pete Prisco looks like a tan couch.
Speaker 5 (16:28):
He looks his skin looks like that couch, that leather
couch that you've got, Risco, You've had for about four
or five years now.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
It's been beaten up by the sun.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Prisco sits your living.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Room right from the window.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
He looks like a home depot cart.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
The mosquitoes land on. Pete be like, what the half?
What what is that? Damn?
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Where's the blood?
Speaker 4 (16:49):
I'm not a smell something, but this this, this, this
texture doesn't fit with a smelled.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
You know, we don't drink coconut oil.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
Hey, buddy, so we try to tap into this take off.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Okay, this is it is.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
It is important to point out here though, that is
a it's a football Friday. It's a damn Friday here
in the show.
Speaker 6 (17:11):
You know Friday.
Speaker 5 (17:20):
It's Friday, right, come on, right day, Friday Friday.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Come on, come on, come on, what are we talking about?
Speaker 4 (17:34):
What are we talking about? What are we talking about?
What are we talking about? What's going on in football?
What's going on? What's going on? Okay for Eddie, Let's
do it for Eddie. Come on Friday night is a
Friday Football Friday, lock up, sun up, scoring, spig it,
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Speaker 2 (18:03):
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Speaker 2 (18:18):
Something that we were talking about in real time while
it was happening, because I felt like we were on
an island alone when it came to a lot of
people who just wanted to complain about the college football
Playoff as opposed to just being like, yeah, listen, it's
got its flaws, but can we just enjoy what we
got here? Well, apparently there's not going to be anything
left to bitch about, right because the twelve team College
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Football Playoff is going to move to straight seting. They'll
have the straight seating model this upcoming year, so no
more automatic first round buys for the four highest rated
conference champs. That means the top four teams in the
Selection Committee's final rankings will get the first round by
I'm sure there's going to be no arguments or disagreements
about any of that one time comes. But nonetheless, at
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least we're going to get some straight seating unlike we
had last year in the playoff.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
There you go.
Speaker 5 (19:07):
This is what I find most interesting about this is
there is such a contrast between the NFL conversation and
their playoffs and college football. So if you look at
the conversation we had earlier this week with Pete Prisco
about the NFL.
Speaker 6 (19:21):
And potentially reseting how they go about.
Speaker 5 (19:24):
You know, determining who gets a home playoff game in
the in the wildcard round. Remember we talked about, hey,
maybe we just get rid of divisions, and then that
way you could actually have every single team in each
conference play each other, and you'd actually be able to determine,
based on the regular season, who is the best record,
who should get the buye, who should get home.
Speaker 6 (19:43):
Field advantage, and you'd have your pecking order.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
But then that kind of throws out the idea of,
you know, playing for something outside of just a super
Bowl or a conference championship. Once you get in the playoffs, right,
you wouldn't be able to play for a division championship
in the regular season. The arguments that we have to
that is, well, it's a little unfair because if you
look at again, the NFC West this year plays the
NFC South.
Speaker 6 (20:05):
The AFC South.
Speaker 5 (20:06):
All right, how many teams, like five teams between those
two divisions had twelve losses or something like.
Speaker 6 (20:13):
That last year. And granted it's a new year, we'll
see what the divisions look like.
Speaker 5 (20:17):
But logic or common sense tells us that's gonna be
an easier schedule, most likely for San Francisco, for example,
I think was the example we were using.
Speaker 6 (20:26):
All Right, now, let's look at the college football playoff.
Speaker 5 (20:29):
And now instead of giving any weight to a conference championship, right, like,
you player eight or nine conference games and you go
off in the term in which.
Speaker 6 (20:39):
Two teams go to play for it.
Speaker 5 (20:41):
Instead of awarding them that, we're now saying, yeah, but
even if you when you're conference championship, you still might
not be one of the top four teams.
Speaker 6 (20:49):
How does that make any sense.
Speaker 5 (20:51):
It's like, at some point the games on the field
have to matter, and instead we're now lobbying or throwing
it out there to the college football Playoff committee allowing
them to say, well, this team didn't win their conference championship,
but they looked really good to us on you, on
the field and on paper, So we're gonna put them
as one of the top four seeds and they're gonna
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get a buy. So there's all sorts of things that
I think I have an issue with it, and I
know a lot of people are gonna be like, well,
hold on a second, you're a Notre Dame guy, Like,
how does Notre Dame factor into all this?
Speaker 6 (21:22):
And Notre Dame doesn't play for a conference championship.
Speaker 5 (21:24):
You're right, we don't, but that also was held against us,
so we never could have a buy. And so now
that the system works out where now to Notre Dame
can't they don't. They're not playing for a conference championship,
and they can have that buy now as part of this.
So I know that a lot of people's minds they
were upset with the way things worked out last year
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in Boise State getting a buy and being one of
those top four seeded teams.
Speaker 6 (21:50):
But that's why you play the games, and they earned
their right to be in that position.
Speaker 5 (21:54):
I think after a year it's a little too soon
for me to make such a reaction like this. And
I understand the argument that when we look at the
Big twelve, you look at the ACC, you don't look
at them the same as the Big ten and SEC.
But I think there's other issues that we face in
college football where we don't play the same amount of
conference games during the course of the regular season. We
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don't force all the power for teams to play more
legitimate non conference opponents, like let's get the scheduling right
in the regular season to make them more comparable to
one another, and then we can after a few years
maybe look at the format and want to change it.
I don't like any of this, especially after one year
of doing it.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Can I ask you as a question, do you think
some of this comes down to because last year it
was cut and dry, Hey, here's are here are the requirements.
If you do this, you get in, these teams, get in, etc.
For the most part, I mean, you still had to
vote and there were rankings and all that. Do you
think part of this is college football looks at it
and says, look, the debate is what is part of
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college five ball? Is so and so number one? Are
they number two? Like that's always been a part of
college football, always part of the sport. This opens that
up more to where now there's no, hey, you're automatically in.
We determine who the top four teams are. We're the
ones who make the decisions. And now it just opens
up further discussion and conversation in discord about who the
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best teams are and who's deserving of it, as opposed
to last year was like, Hey, so and so, when's
the Mountain West they're in, here's what we know moving.
It just feels like this opens up the discussion for debate,
which I don't think they hate from a college football standpoint.
Speaker 5 (23:34):
I don't think that's the progative, Like, I don't agree
with that at all. I think they're trying to get
what they feel like is the top twelve teams or
sixteen in the future if they expand to go play
for a national championship. And I think they're cognizant of
the fact, and this is all put together by Disney
and ESPN.
Speaker 6 (23:50):
They're cognizant of the.
Speaker 5 (23:51):
Fact that you need big brands and this opens up
the potential to having bigger brands as part of it.
And it's one of the reasons why automatic qualifiers has
been such a big topic of conversation for the Big
Ten and the SEC. The conferences are so big now
that if you're asking Southern cal for example, hey, why
don't you guys want to play Notre Dame anymore? Well,
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now they've become a non They were always a non
conference opponent for us, but now they're just a non
conference opponent that every other year we have to travel
more to have to go play them when we do travel,
and we're already traveling more than it is, more than
we used to. So now that doesn't really fit within
the model of what they're trying to do. That's their
argument at least, and I think that's part of the
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issue is you're kind of hurting some of the history
or the.
Speaker 6 (24:36):
Tradition of college football because.
Speaker 5 (24:39):
Of the changing landscape, and you're not incentivizing teams to
play tougher schedules.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
Now.
Speaker 6 (24:45):
If they have an automatic.
Speaker 5 (24:46):
Qualifier, I think Southern cow will be more apt to
renew the rivalry. I think right now they don't want
to renew it because they're fearful that if they have
Notre Dame on their schedule every year and every other
day they have to go to South Bend. That could
keep them from making the college football playoffs. They already
are going to have to travel enough and play a
tough enough Big Ten schedule. Then on top of that,
having a non conference opponent like Notre Dame.
Speaker 6 (25:08):
Is part of that.
Speaker 5 (25:09):
They're like, yeah, we're not really sure we want to
sign up for this, and so you can understand it
because they're just trying to look out for their own
best interest. That's what they did in the first place
going to the Big Ten. But the problem is now
you've got a model where we're essentially saying these thirteen
people they know better than what we're witnessing on the field.
So you're almost incentivized teams to if they lose a game,
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lose a game but not make the conference championship, so
they get a buy there, and then they get the
potential chance of either getting another buy if they looked
apparently to be that good, or hosting.
Speaker 6 (25:42):
A home playoff game.
Speaker 5 (25:43):
That's an essence like what this sets up for for
some of these teams where they might be saying, hey,
maybe it's not best to play for a conference championship
in one additional game because we still might not be
rewarded for it.
Speaker 6 (25:55):
Like at least in the old system, you can win.
Speaker 5 (25:57):
The conference championship, you're gonna be probably ranked hyh enough
to be that. And maybe that's some of the thought too,
is they feel like this will take care of itself,
like the four highest will be probably the four conference
champions from the power for But the caveat is now
they've got the ability to put another team ahead of
one of those, so you don't get a Boise or
an Arizona State who gets a buy automatically just because
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they won their conference and where.
Speaker 6 (26:20):
The rankings are.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
Yeah, I just think it's all it's so much conversation
behind it, and it's so in a lot of ways.
I feel like there's a lot of complexities to it,
like if if you you know, it's just I'm so
conflicted because if you win your conference, that should be
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an accomplishment that is rewarded, and that's what I can't
seem to get away from. And it almost comes back
to does there need to be more of a focus
on the value of what the conference, of what the
conference championship represents, Like how do you find like maybe
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those very issues that are being addressed going into how
you seed the playoff teams should be addressed in how
you're scheduling within the conference, and that weight of what
the conference represents ultimately is respected and recognized by the
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governing bodies or the voters or whoever are the schedulers,
whoever it is that's doing that. It's almost like you
have to figure out a way to have that value
pre playoff, and I don't know how you do that.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
The five highest ranked conference champs are still going to
be in the twelve team playoffs.
Speaker 6 (27:51):
They get automatic, automatically in, but they don't necessarily get a.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
Buy Yeah, so I don't I don't. You know. It's like, Okay,
you're in. You didn't make it to the conference championship game,
but because you have something about what you did in
your schedule, you get a bye, but you didn't even
play for your conference championship. It just seems counterproductive. It
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seems like it's a contradiction, and I feel like it
doesn't do a justice in a service to what's going
to eventually happen in the playoff in my estimation. And
it's really because I mean, if you think about it,
that exists this year, like you had a team that
did not even qualify, Like this is how a layman
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would see it. They weren't even good enough to make
it to their conference championship game. They were knocked out
by a team that did not even make it to
the college football playoff with in conference play, not early,
not an early game, not a non conference matchup within
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the conference. You lost a critical game that costed you
the right to play and compete for the conference title,
and yet you qualify for the playoff and you win
the playoff. Like, to me, it just creates contradictions. Which
I get it. If you make it into the playoffs,
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the playoffs is an entirely different season. A team catches
a hot streak that at the right time they're able
to make it boom boom boom. But I just think
that it creates an asterisk for what you're doing, especially
if you were to say, Okay, they're going to be
the number one rated team coming into the playoff and
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they didn't even play for a conference championship, but based
upon X, Y and Z factors, this is how we're
going to rank and rate them going into the playoff.
It just I can't make sense of it. I have
a hard time making sense of it. Maybe it's just me.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
Yeah, well, listen, I I don't think anybody should get
totally upset about it. I mean, there's worse things in
the world. You could have an injured back, you could
have some other things going on, some ailment.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
So I just want to make sure.
Speaker 6 (30:11):
Oh, we're done talking about this.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
I was gonna keep going.
Speaker 4 (30:14):
I did hear the fingers keep going on.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
I'm just saying to close this out.
Speaker 6 (30:20):
Well, my biggest issue is you're like, are we doing
what's in the best interest of the players in the field.
Speaker 5 (30:28):
Like I think about Clemson, I think about Arizona State,
I think about you know, Boise, and you know, are
you gonna sit there and say to all those players
and all those teams, you did everything we asked you
to do.
Speaker 6 (30:40):
You won your conference.
Speaker 5 (30:40):
Championship, and yet now we're not going to reward them.
And what kind of message does that send, Like, either
either make the conference championships matter or don't.
Speaker 6 (30:50):
And then go back to a model where we don't play.
Speaker 5 (30:52):
Them and your then then your conference games during the
course of the regular season college football matter, and you
can schedule more difficult schedule, so then if you do
lose once or one or two games, you still have
the opportunity to get in. I mean, what you're speaking
to is Ohio State. You know when you make that example,
LeVar and I know you even name them, but that's
the team that ends up, you know, playing a home
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you know field, first round.
Speaker 6 (31:15):
Game against Tennessee. They get hot, they go and to run,
they win a national championship, and yet they lost to Oregon.
Speaker 5 (31:20):
They lost to Michigan in one of the biggest upsets
in that literally history of the game.
Speaker 6 (31:27):
We never seen anything like that.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
Like on their home turn, on their home field.
Speaker 6 (31:31):
So that wasn't damning enough to hold them out.
Speaker 5 (31:34):
And we can all you know, argue about whether or
not they should or shouldn't have clearly, when they played
to their capabilities, they're the best team in the country.
Last year they proved that, and I think that's the
concern for the committee and this almost this is more
this This feels to me like they're giving themselves the
flexibility to say, well, we have a team that we
feel like can go win it all. Yeah, but maybe
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they didn't show it as much, especially late in the season,
And so we're going to find a way of getting
them in. And plus it's a bigger brand. I mean,
how State rates. It's the number one team in regards
to ratings in the country. I mean there's others that
factory to Notre Dame is a part of that. Michigan,
you know, Penn State does as well. There's obviously SEC schools.
But the truth at Texas, the truth is, I feel
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like that's what this is more about.
Speaker 6 (32:21):
This is more about.
Speaker 5 (32:21):
Giving the College Football Playoff Committee the autonomy to be
able to find a way of getting what they feel
like is the more right group of teams to get
to that buy, which I think based off last year
and looking at how many teams were able to get
on a roll and take advantage of the home playoff games,
I don't know that some of those teams wouldn't want
to play, you know, a home playoff game and instead
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of getting a buy and going to the next round,
some of them might want to play that extra game,
especially if they don't have to play on a conference championship. Yeah,
but again that's just my opinion on it.
Speaker 6 (32:55):
You know, clearly I don't feel like Jonas wants the
way on this.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
So I mean I like it. I like the fact
that straight seeding and you want to be rewarded. You
win your conference championship, you get in good. Fine. I
think the NFL should do the same thing. I've said
it all week, so I'm good with it.
Speaker 4 (33:09):
Not that simple.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
I mean.
Speaker 5 (33:13):
That you're not talking about right now. They deserve a
buye though, Like automatic entry is one thing.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Arizona State was sixteenth last year and got a buy No,
Arizona State was sixteenth and they got a buy because
they won the Mountain West.
Speaker 6 (33:31):
Like Arizona State played in the SEC or a Big
twelve of.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
Men in the Big twelve and they got a bye
week because they were the highest ranked team and they
were sixteenth in the country, Like why should they get
a bye? This is This is like the Texans getting
a buye or getting a home game, you know, because
they won the division. Like I just I don't like it.
I think the buyers should go to the best teams
in college football. I understand this gives them the autonomy
(33:56):
and they're gonna want to focus on big brands because
it rates and all that stuff. I only get it,
but I do think you're rewarding these schools still they're
gonna get in. Maybe they're gonna have to go on
the road, maybe they'll get a home game, depending on
where they are. But I just I like the fact
that it's a straight up and the twelve.
Speaker 5 (34:13):
Understood, just to correct it was it was Clemson. Clemson
was a team that was sixteen. I understand what you're saying,
but they're the ones that add three losses. They won
the acc they got in. That was the most controversial
one because they were outside of the top twelve. Arizona
State started at twelve and the final Ragons, but they
had won the Big twelve, which is why they end
up getting the automatic birth and buy, and.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
So does Arizonas. Do you think Arizona State deserve to buy?
Speaker 5 (34:37):
I do if they win their conference? Otherwise, like why
are we playing conference championship games?
Speaker 4 (34:41):
And that they're in lies the whole conversation. It's like
it takes your tail type of scenario.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Okay, but if you win your conference, you get in.
That's your reward. Why should you buy.
Speaker 6 (34:51):
Too nose that otherwise we're just trying to throw up
like we.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
Could get in, then yeah, that's what you got it, Like,
it's got to be a way to find clarity on
on this this particular what we just said stated two
seconds ago, there has to be a way to find
clarity on what that represents. There has to be like
(35:15):
that's the circle, that's the that's the hamster whell of
what this is right now? It is, Yeah, And I
don't under I don't. I don't know how you how
you find the balance of value with the rankings and
with the conferences. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
So if you play in an inferior conference and you
win that conference championship, not only do you get in,
you also get a week off, you get a buye.
Speaker 4 (35:41):
A week again, it's just I think it's just trying
to figure out the value of it so that it
doesn't come across that way. It's not fair to say
that about Boise State. It's not fair to say that
about Arizona State. It's not fair to say that about
a team that these kids come out of high school,
(36:02):
they transfer in the portal. They're all looking for the
same exact thing, the opportunity to go get an education
and play out of school where they can compete for
a national title at any given point in time. If
that dream is not a real dream of reality. Then
that lessons and lowers the value of wanting to go
(36:23):
to that school. So now that creates a disparity and
talent going from school to school. You'll have the same
two or three four schools that get the same type
of players every year, that win the same games and
win the championship every year. Now, if you create some
parody and teams do have the opportunity to have a
(36:44):
great season and be rewarded for it, then now you
might have players that are actually willing to go to
other schools outside of the main ones. And so what
does that look like if we all came together and
said we want to go to UNLV and make you
and LV a powerhouse for the time that we're here,
(37:05):
how is that rewarded if you go there and you're
blowing teams out?
Speaker 5 (37:09):
Yeah, I mean Jonas to LaVar's point, if they go
UNLV is a great example, right, dani Will's taken over.
They've got a bunch of money pumped into this team.
It should be a talented team. They were, you know
in the hunt last year. If UNLV goes undefeated this year,
are you going to say to those kids and the
team like, well, well, you played in a lesser conference,
so you shouldn't get or be able to qualify for
a buy if you end up being one of the
(37:30):
highest ranked teams.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
I mean, if they're ranked high enough, I trust the
committee's going to make the right call if they're ranked
high enough.
Speaker 4 (37:36):
And I think that's what makes it different. And you're
not wrong. I'm not judging you for thinking that way,
because you're not wrong for looking at it that way.
But what's wrong about it is that they did what
they were supposed to do. If they go undefeed, it
they did what they were supposed to do. So you're saying,
basically because this committee doesn't see the value in them
(38:00):
going undefeated, which, by the way, being out of UNLV
is probably more difficult in the conference that they're in
to accomplish being undefeated, stuff to do well because the
resources aren't the same.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Like, look, I get it, and I understand that they
should be rewarded, but I view getting into the getting
into the playoff and having an opportunity to win the
whole thing. You're one of the twelve teams in college
football that have an opportunity to win it. You look
on teams that were on the outside looking in Alabama,
South Carolina, Ole Miss. Last year, they would have taken listen,
we'll go on the road. We like, just get us
(38:36):
an opportunity to be a part of this. And I
do think you're rewarding them. I just don't think you
should reward an inferior conference with a bye week just
because they won that conference.
Speaker 5 (38:46):
Here's the problem is, I think if you if you
push away the group of five teams and you're going
to say there's a clear separation between the power for
a group of five, which in.
Speaker 6 (38:56):
The language we use alone, you already do that.
Speaker 5 (39:00):
So they just need to just flat out and say
it and say, look, group of five, you.
Speaker 6 (39:04):
Can be a part of it. But the reality is
we don't ever feel like you're gonna.
Speaker 5 (39:08):
Be able to have a buye and that it's gonna
get to a point where it just keeps pushing us
further and further down the road of creating a system
that doesn't involve those schools.
Speaker 6 (39:18):
And that's unfortunate for those players in those schools because they're.
Speaker 5 (39:20):
Not gonna be able to have a robust enough, you know,
Division one college football program.
Speaker 6 (39:26):
If you're saying that to exactly what LeVar is.
Speaker 4 (39:28):
Saying, and you're not going to be You're not going
to be able to legitimately say this is your national.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
And by the way, what do you guys care? You
guys are blue bloods, You're notre Dame of Penn State.
You're going to get in. What are you worried about
the gum on your shoe with these other schools.
Speaker 5 (39:41):
But that's the problem is it shouldn't be like that.
You have to earn it. You ki'd just say, well,
they're a blue blood they should be in. That was
part of the issue with Alabama or Ole miss or whoever.
Last year's like, oh, well, they're an SEC team, they
should just get in. It's like, okay, why are we
playing the games?
Speaker 7 (39:55):
Then?
Speaker 6 (39:55):
Like why does any of this matter?
Speaker 5 (39:57):
If we just want to say, hey, these are the
top teams because of their resources or their blue bloods,
or you know, they rate or we think on paper
they should be or on paper they make.
Speaker 6 (40:07):
Better matchups, Like well, what are we doing? Like why
do we play the games?
Speaker 3 (40:11):
Then?
Speaker 6 (40:11):
Wait, we're not going to use those results as indicators
for something.
Speaker 4 (40:16):
It's just qualifiers. Qualifiers is the problem here. You got
to eliminate the qualifiers like, oh they were good, Oh
they went undefeed it, But like, that's not, that's not,
that's not.
Speaker 6 (40:27):
It's a painful conversation.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
Guys.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
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Speaker 2 (40:39):
Guess what's this weekend? A big event in sports? And
what do we do because we're experts on these other
big events in sports?
Speaker 6 (40:48):
Yeah, we do this.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
Who needs an expert pick on these other sporting events
when our experts can spin a wheel?
Speaker 6 (40:56):
So now it's time for.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
The Indy five hundred winners.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
Yes, all right, let's go. Who's got the longest arm
of the bunch?
Speaker 3 (41:09):
Far?
Speaker 2 (41:10):
You want to spin that way?
Speaker 4 (41:11):
I mean, of course I have the longest arm of
the bunch. You heard that.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
What does he look?
Speaker 8 (41:23):
Plus nine hundred for Scotty?
Speaker 3 (41:24):
All right?
Speaker 2 (41:24):
A little nine to one Brandon, All right, let's spin
this thing. Scott Dixon, no idea, that guy.
Speaker 8 (41:39):
He's plus six fifty's third favorite to win it.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
All right, So Brady's got Dixon? You got Dixon?
Speaker 4 (41:44):
Brady, don't don't do that.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
By the way, you do not last. By the way
you can, you can't see the Indy five hundred coming out,
have you?
Speaker 8 (41:55):
Yeah, I didn't get that name, have you?
Speaker 4 (41:57):
Yeah, to the end of that. That's a straight win. Hey, Brady,
you got Scott's.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
I mean he does it does. By the way you can,
you can't see the ND five hundred this weekend on
Fox Sunday.
Speaker 6 (42:22):
Uh the drunk, Go ahead and do it the wheel.
Speaker 4 (42:25):
Let's go get your pick it away from Q.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
Kyle Larson, all right, little Nascar there you go.
Speaker 8 (42:35):
Yeah, I'll go for the NASCAR guy. Let's go college.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
Let me pull out my immediate how's it SPILM?
Speaker 3 (42:41):
Is it I x O M?
Speaker 2 (42:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (42:44):
So it feels a little different.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
Yeah, yeah, the the c K is silent.
Speaker 8 (42:54):
Whatever makes it feel about it?
Speaker 2 (42:55):
All right, here we go. I'm gonna get a spin.
Speaker 3 (42:58):
It's been an active.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
Oral Pado Award.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
He's the favorite plus time favorite to win a pa
All right, irishman, not gonna work out for you. All right,
there we go? All right, Loraen you want to give
a spin on this wheel? Yeah, I want to do it.
Speaker 6 (43:16):
You don't swapping The Tech.
Speaker 8 (43:19):
Award is a Mexican Order Sports f one driver.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
So there you go, host Sef Newgarden two times, yeah,
two time, back to back winner New Gardens plus nine fifty.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
How about that?
Speaker 6 (43:33):
I love this wheel so much fun.
Speaker 3 (43:36):
You like this?
Speaker 6 (43:37):
I love it. That's great.
Speaker 3 (43:38):
It really spent more times for you know.
Speaker 6 (43:40):
Yeah, just spigels.
Speaker 8 (43:46):
That looks plus five fifty.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
That's a good wheel. That's because we got a shot
of being a boy Jesus Christ.
Speaker 4 (43:57):
That was brutal.
Speaker 2 (43:58):
So there we go Wheel of Indy five hundred winners
and again. You can see it all on Fox this
Sunday noon, Eastern time for the Big Race, a Memorial
weekend tradition in sports.
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