June 9, 2025 • 39 mins
The NBA Finals are breath of fresh air without the typical drama/storylines. The Packers cut ties with Jaire Alexander while the Dolphins still try to find a trade partner for Jalen Ramsey. Aaron Rodgers’ 1-year contract and Russell Wilson’s departure may mean Tomlin’s days are numbered.
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Looking back on Game two of the NBA Finals, the
Oklahoma City Thunder respond, not a surprise, get it done,
and that series is now tied at one apiece with
Game three back in Indy, which I think is going
to be well done. Guys, well done, a crucial, a
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crucial pivotal game in that series. So that does feel
like the expectation was Oka See responds. They're a great team.
They did just that much better performance. They were able
to close down the stretch. It didn't seem like there
was any fatigue anything going on there, and Indiana couldn't
really find a rhythm throughout the entire course of the game. Now,
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some people have looked at Tyrese Haliburton and they've looked
at just the numbers and his production in this game,
and Rick Carlisle says, listen and don't worry so much
about that when it comes to Tyree's here was the
Pacers coach.
Speaker 5 (03:05):
There's a lot more a game into the game than
just scoring. Everybody's got to do more. Starts with the
best players. Starts with Tyree, San Pascal and Miles who
will be in here to talk to you guys, and
then it goes from there. And so people shouldn't just
look at his points and assists and judge how he
played or any of our judge how any of our
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guys played just on that. That's just not That's not
how our team is built. I mean, we're we're an
ecosystem that has to function together. And you know stats,
you know, we got scoring up points to win the game,
but who gets them and how they get him not important.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
And also there's a chance, with the way that OKC
plays defense that maybe tyress Aliburton just doesn't find his
footing in the series. It's possible.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
I mean, Cascal Siakam has to again the offense runs
through past Pascal Siakam. Now I got chewed up by
Plex and TJ. They are like, come on, you sound
crazy this that and the other I don't know if
they sound that way next time I talk to them.
He is the captain now, and he's the guy that
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if he can get it going, then everything else opens up,
including the production from Halliburton. And and that's to me, that's
that's that's the storyline. And if you think it's something else,
then that's fine.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
But you'd be.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Hard pressed to find to me a different a different
storyline like Halliburton scored fourteen points and last night, which
by the way, not one player, not one player hit
for twenty or plus, not one player reached plus twenty
points plus, or the Pacers.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Crazy four quarters.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
And we're talking about how elite some of these guys are,
starting with Tyrese.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Is that is that not ty Tyrese Haliburton.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
And and again you can go you can go down
the list of guys that maybe you might have thought
would have been difference makers. But to me, Pascal Siakam
is the guy if you can't figure out how to
get him going early in the game or some at
some point before you get down too much by in
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the game. Because they have been a team that comes back,
They've been the comeback team of the playoffs. But if
you don't get Pascal Siakam going before you get down
and before the league gets you know, inflated, too too big,
too much, which lastslast night. It easily clearly got away
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too quickly, too easily. You're not going to see this
offensive explosion from Halliburton that's going to offset what SGA
is doing on the.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Other side of the ball. Is your best player, like,
I don't, I mean, I don't know how. People will
argue that. People will argue it, they will dispute it.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
They're focused in on Halliburton, and rightfully so, he's made
some very very clutch shots, some big shots. But if
you're asking me, who is the catalyst for this Indiana
Pacers team to have a chance to really really win
this series and win games, tough games because of the
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way this defense plays for okay, see the type of
talent that they have and the megastar that they have
in SGA, it's going to be Pascal Siakam.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Look at me, short, I'm the.
Speaker 5 (07:00):
Cut to now.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Yeah, thank you, Pascal.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
And it's crazy because he can't have off games. He
can't have a nineteen point game. I mean, he had
a double double, but he can't. He can't have I mean,
he can't.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Have an off night shooting the ball like you're when
you're talking to Plex and TJ, did they know that
Siakam was the Pacers leading scorer this year? Yes, like
this is not TJ told me.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
To get out of here like like I had like
did something horribly wrong by saying that Pascal Siakam is
in position to win MVP again if the Pacers win.
I feel like I'm I'm pretty solid with my toes.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Down on it.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
That's a heel right now that I'm willing to die on.
If the Indiana Pacers right now were to win, and
you look at who's the catalysts.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Sure you can look at the clutch.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Point that that Tyrese Haliburton got in the Game one,
but that's not possible unless Pascal Siakam.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Is playing the way that he's playing in Game one.
Who I mean, listen, I got it money, money making
opportunity for you here, Low Carrington, Right, so you can
take this over to a up on game. They're going
to doubt and throw some shade at you right now. Currently,
as it stands, the favorites to win NBA Finals MVP
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come on SGA. Shay Gildess. Alexander is a heavy favorite
at a minus four to seventy five, So you've got
to lay four hundred and seventy five dollars just to
make one hundred tyrese Haliburton plus six hundred, So lay
one hundred you can win six hundred. But if you
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are correct and it is Pascal Siakam who wins NBA
Finals MVP, if Indiana does win this series, it pays
out nineteen to one, So you could lay one hundred
bucks down on DraftKings and get back nineteen hundred dollars.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Long sticks, No, that's not a stick's pick because they're
not going to win. If they were, if they were
to win it, that's like put it to.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
You like this.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
If you put that bet, if you put that bet
in now with the idea that you believe that the
Pacers can upset OKAC, then that's a good that's a
good move.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
That's a good move.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
If you really believe in your heart of hearts that
OKC can actually be beat in.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
This in this series.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Now, I'll say this, I don't know what the future
holds in in Indianapolis. They got to go beat the
Pacers in Indiana. I'm not sure what that represents. Game
three will tell. It's a lot about what this series
looks like moving forward. If if OKC goes into Indiana
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and Game three and they're able to especially if they're
able to win an emphatic fashion, like convincing fashion, I
kind of think that the series pretty.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Much is over.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
But if if the Pacers can come in and defend
home court in Game three and go up to one,
there's a very real chance that OKC could find themselves
in a very very tough situation being able to get
out of this series and win the NBA Finals. Lee,
can you look up real quick if you don't mind
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how long a flight is from Oklahoma City and to Indianapolis.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
I just want to see it's.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Not forest, That ain't far. About two and a half,
three hours and something like probably something like that's that? Yeah,
two and a half probably, I would assume, you know,
it's from Central time zone to.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
Eastern I'm seeing about three forty four.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
That can't that That might be right, Yeah, that might
be right. Yeah, three forty four direct flight is almost
four hours from okay See to Indianapolis.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
Yeah, okay See to Indianapolis three forty four. I would
have thought that.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
Long because I was just trying to figure out why
we got to wait till Wednesday for the next game,
just wondering why that is. I didn't know if the
flight was you know, like.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
There are no direct flights available from Oklahoma City to Indianapolis,
so it has to it has to include the stop.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
So that's why it takes so long.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
But they have to have chartered flights.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Yeah, yeah, but.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
I'm just saying the reason why you're probably I don't know,
maybe the reason why you're getting because three hours and
forty five minutes sounds long, Like what.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
About a drive from okac to Indianapolis. I'm just trying to,
you know, justify why we've got to wait an extra
day to get this game three. I'm trying to figure
that out. Well, they want their rest low management. Come on, man, like,
can we stop with this? I just we got to
stop just every other day. That's it. That's it. That's
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all we need. Every other you don't need, we don't
need extra red. Well, You're like, I could understand Edmonton
and Florida in the NHL the Stanley Cup. I could
get that. That's a long ass trip to go from
Edmonton to Florida. I totally get it. But I mean,
this is Oklahoma City, Indianapolis. I mean, we're not talking
about you know, traveling internationally here. I mean, come on,
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let's speed this up. Make a call, all right, somebody
make a call and say, you know what, that's a
great idea. Right, enough with this crap. Let's go ahead
and just schedule these every other day. That's it. It's
not too much to ask, but I did. I did
notice this though. It is kind of nice just to
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have an NBA Finals where it's only about basketball. Have
you noticed that, Like there's no other side story or well,
there's no other story about what's going on behind the scenes.
Hey what happened here? Like I saw, you know, Tyree
Saliburton got up from his postgame press conference and some
people noticed that he was that he was limping a
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little bit, and so like, oh, what does that mean? Forget?
It just feels like the storylines are all about basketball.
There's no drama, no bs. You didn't even hear anything
about the fact that Tyree Saliburton's dad is back in
the building. Nothing, none of that. It's kind of a
breath of fresh air. That that's what we get, you know,
no ether bs or garbage to go along with it.
It's about damn time. Good job NBA. By the way,
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as we close up shop here on this Monday morning.
Do you want to mention some news that just came
out a short time ago. Not the biggest surprise in
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the world. This was the expectation at some point if
they couldn't get a deal done. But that's a wrap
jay R. Alexander has been cut by the Green Bay Packers,
So that is that'll wrap up his time with the
Green Bay Packers.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
That according to Ian Rapaport, Uh, what's your reaction to that, Lee?
Speaker 1 (15:10):
How you feel? How does that make you feel?
Speaker 5 (15:12):
Well?
Speaker 4 (15:12):
I'm bummed that he just never panned out as a
great player for for the whole season. He was always injured.
He never really lived up to the full potential. He
was great, he's a great player, still still great eight
years old.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
But whatever it in. Sorry, he's just drawed. That was
one of his Packers jerseys.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
I adore you, Le.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Sorry, didn't you have a gy your Alexander jersey?
Speaker 2 (15:34):
No?
Speaker 1 (15:34):
I never did get.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
I don't get players who get stay injured.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Oh gosh, geez, oh they're there.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
I guess, uh, the organization don't keep players that stay injured.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
I think it was more he wanted out. Okay, yeah,
they they offered him a restructured contract. He said he
wanted to stay, but he was always I don't know,
he was always saying something like he wanted out.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
By the way, did you see Levards You happened to
see the latest on Jalen Ramsey? Speaking of defensive backs,
tell everyone so the very latest on Jalen Ramsey. This also,
according to NFL Network, Ramsey will stay away from the
Dolphins off season program. They're still trying to trade him. God,
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I can't imagine why they haven't been able to execute
a trade yet. It was almost like, you know, they
let everybody know it advance, Yeah, we're trading this player.
I still don't understand. And I know it's like, well,
why beat around the bush, you know, why not make
it public that you know, if you're going to move
on from a guy and move on from a guy,
why let any of that information out. If you want
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to get a trade done, and you are actually motivated
to get a trade done and you want to move
a player, why would you give any tell at all
that you're trying to trade the guy. If have conversations
you know, with teams, if teams ask hey, anybody available,
I don't know, what would you think about Jalen Ramsey. Instead,
you come out and you tell everybody you're trying to
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trade the guy. Why would teams around the league make
a move when they can just sign him if he
gets released? Like JR. Alexander and the Packers probably had
several conversations with teams, but they're like, dude, they're just
gonna end up releasing them anyways, because it's been so public.
I just I don't I don't understand the thought and
teams still do it, still talking, Oh, listen, we're going
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to try to trade, Like Chris Greer, the GM for
the Dolphins say, oh, we're going to try and trade
Jalen Ramsey. Why go public with that? Like? Why not
keep that behind close towards I don't.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
Didn't Jalen Ramsey make it so that they had to
go public?
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Though?
Speaker 3 (17:39):
Didn't he say, you know, a bit farewell to everyone
in Miami?
Speaker 1 (17:45):
I think it was after Chris Greer? Was it after? Yeah?
That's why I don't understand, Like, if you really we
get it, it didn't work. It hasn't worked out there.
But do you.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
Feel as though he may have leveraged them into having
to say something? You know, I don't like if y'all
don't release me or trade me or whatever, like I'm
gonna let people know I'm not coming back.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Yeah, but came first the market. Players do that all
the time, though, to where they'll do something passive aggressive
on social media like that's that's you know, the new
move in the NFL, like or the new move in
sports where if somebody wants out, oh they stop, they
unfollowed the team and they.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Put not no longer a part of It's like it's
not in their bio that the team.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
It's like the new it's like the new Facebook relationship thing.
It's complicated. It's like, good thing. Why don't you just
say I'm looking for something strange? Okay, just say that.
But these but like so players will post that all
the time. The organization. You don't hear gms come out
even if he did post something like that and come
out and say, oh, yeah, we are trying to trade him. Okay,
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so why would I do a deal with you if
he's just gonna get cut. I'll just wait until he's
available and I don't have to give anything up for him.
Just doesn't make any sense to.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
Me unless you really need him and if you have
a real need for him and you believe that he's
got enough gas in the tank, then you don't want
somebody else to get a hold of him. So you
try to figure out a deal. What does that look like?
What would that type of deal look like? How much
money is is is he you know, is his contract
worth like? What does that look like? I think that
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that would play the biggest role in what takes place here.
If that's a too that's a nut that's too big
to crack, like, you're not going to go get them.
And and Miami has to know that going into this.
So what is the scenario?
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Why?
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Why would you have not tried to salvage the situation
with him? And if it were not a salvageable situation
and you are indeed moving on from him, I would
have been way more aggressive with trying to move him,
you know earlier on like pre draft, you know all that,
like the start of the NFL season, the new NFL season.
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I would have been all over that to try to
make that work.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Why is this? Why is this drug out into June? Well,
it's like the kirk Cousins stuff. At this point, Kirk
Cousins has two options because he you know, he wants
to play, he wants an opportunity, and he wants to
be elsewhere. And he talked to the Falcons. He went
to Arthur Blank, he you know, gave him his case
as to why he you know, can you trade me?
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Can you move on? And the Falcons are like, no, no,
we want to keep around for a veteran insurance at
the backup quarterback spot. We picked up his ten million
dollar option. So if you're Kirk Cousins, and this is
just the cruel reality of where he's at this offseason,
if you're Kirk Cousins at this point in the offseason,
you got two choices, right, you got two options. Either
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you're playing for the Falcons next year, or somebody gets hurt.
And if a team has a starting quarterback who gets
hurt and they're desperate, that's when you would see them
make a move. But at this point, to your point,
it's a little late in the game to like start,
it's a low light like wheeling and dealing. And for
whatever reason, you know, at least you know the Packers
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have moved on reportedly from JayR Alexander. That'll be done
later on today and then we still wait to see
what happens with Jalen Ramsey. Now Aaron Rodgers is a
Pittsburgh Steeler quarterback. Speaking of former Packers, jay R Alexander
is going to be one, Aaron Rodgers is one. He's
now the starting quarterback for the Pittsburgh Steelers. As he
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signed his one year deal over the weekend, made it
official one year, nineteen million dollars with incentives thirteen million
dollars in change, but really the guarantee is ten million dollars.
So basically it's a one year, ten million dollar deal
and he can get to those other numbers if he
hit certain incentives and certain benchmarks in the contract. All
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that we can we talk?
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Can we talk about this whole Aaron Rodgers situation?
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Him wearing number eight? Who were number eight in Pittsburgh?
I think they're a punter. Did he's gonna wear a
number three? Why is he wearing number eight? That's not
what I want.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
I want to talk about Aaron Rodgers getting a one
year deal and getting ten million guaranteed and having an
upwards of nineteen million and escalators and incentives in his contract. Again,
I will say this, and I said this when they
got Russ and I said this when they got buddy
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from Chicago, Josh Justin Fields when they got filed.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
So you're saying Trubisky, No, I'm gonna say.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
I'm gonna say, with the quarterbacks they brought in last year,
you got discounted rates for both of them, one still
being on their their rookie contract, the other one just
not having any value at this point in time when
you brought them on. So you have two quarterbacks that
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are pretty comparable in what their contracts look like, and
so there's no real you know, you have the feeling
there's no real loss if neither one of them proves out.
Now you do that one off season with two former
starters of two different organizations last season, that's fine. Is
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it okay to do it two seasons in a row?
It works so good last year, Well, it didn't work
so good last year. Pushing through your sarcasm, it didn't
work very well last year.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
In fact, it.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Did not work to the degree of where you didn't
want one of the quarterbacks. Speculation says that you possibly
wanted one of the quarterbacks back, and both of them
are gone and you go back to a quarterback that
was a starter for you before that? Really, which if
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you look this up, Lee or you Jonas is Mason
Rudolph eight and four as the starting quarterback of the
Pittsburgh Steelers. I think he's a winning record quarterback during
his tenure as a Pittsburgh Steeler quarterback. Nonetheless, they did
not prove out and show that they were a Super
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Bowl contending team with Mason Rudolph. And so now you
bring him back. You got Will Howard the draft pick?
Is he the guy? So is the setup in the
scenario of this to say, Aaron Rodgers gives us one
year to give Will the opportunity to learn from Aaron Rodgers,
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watch his habits, watch how he studies, study him, and
learn from him. If something were to happen, Mason Rudolph
is our safety net to put in so that we
we can still try to be competitive for the season.
And then at some point we're going with Will as
our starting quarterback. If that's what it is, then I
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don't know. At this point, is it I feel like,
is it it's prudent to let the plan be made known.
This is what we're planning on doing. This is why
we didn't sign Aaron Rodgers to a long term contract.
This is why we didn't sign Aaron Rodgers to a
large contract because this is what we're planning on doing.
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But we do feel as though we can improve our team,
impact our team right now with a motivated Aaron Rodgers.
Which now the question becomes, with everything that he's gone
through and all the speculation with good authority, what it
is that he's experienced this offseason, with the personal things
he's had to get through, does it translate into Aaron
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Rodgers coming in and having one amazing year? And if so,
then now doesn't that create another issue where now the
conversation has to be we gave him a one year contract.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
He played his ass off, he played well.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
Are you rewarding him with a long term Are you
rewarding him with a different contract I think? Or are
you moving on and sticking to the plan of what
it may have been to move on to Will Howard,
who you drafted in this year's draft class. I think
he's at a one year at a time basis at
this point in his career, and I think he said
as much in interviews as well, too, Is that you
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know just gonna take a one year at a time,
if he plays well enough this year and they have
a good year and he looks, you know, more like
the Rogers of old, and what looks more like the
Rogers we saw him the back end of last year
when he played much better. I mean, I think then
the conversation becomes, well, let's just do it again, Like
why wouldn't we just do it again, especially if they're
out of contention and getting a top draft pick. But
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at some point they're going to have.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
To figure out their quarterback of the future, and they've
been scrambling to do that for years now. I mean,
you know, Ben Roethlisberger got a red ass when they
took Mason Rudolph in the third round or whatever it was.
I remember talking about it at the time when Roethlisberger
called into a sports radio show in Pittsburgh and it
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was like a Saturday Saturday afternoon. He called into some
sports radio show in Pittsburgh and was just sort of
criticizing the Steelers. Why would we take a quarterback there?
There were other positions of need that we needed, et cetera,
et cetera. They should have addressed their quarterback of the
future conversation a long ass time ago. Because since Roethlisberger's
final year, what have they any picket didn't work? It
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just it just didn't work for whatever reason you had.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
Nothing has worked out. No, we could give the names.
Nothing has worked out. In fact, the last days of
Ben Roethlisberger didn't work out. That didn't work out as well.
So it wasn't like you left him prematurely. He was
done too. Is just that the idea of replacing a
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replacement has not that has not surfaced me.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
So let me ask you that because there was I
think it was Adam Schefter who said on Friday or
it was over the weekend at some point, and he
made the mention that Aaron Rodgers is the Packers third option,
that they were all in on wanting to get Matthew Stafford.
That didn't work. They wanted to resign Justin Fields anyone elsewhere,
and so they end up with Rogers. Whether that's true,
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who knows. But Mike, this is what I do know.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
Whether you kept Justin Fields, whether you got Aaron Rodgers,
whether you kept Russell Wilson, whether you brought in Mason Rudolph,
whether you drafted Will Howard.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Is there anything else we want? Well, whether you win
got cousin. Let me ask you this though, because let's
let's play that out that. Okay, they wanted Matthew Stafford. Well,
there's other teams that wanted Matthew Stafford as well too.
He ended up staying with the Rams. The Justin Fields conversation, well,
they wanted Justin Fields, he chose to go to the Jets,
And I look at that and I'm like, what does
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that mean? Why would he choose the Jets over the Steelers?
And you know, the easy answer is, well, because of money.
They offered him more guaranteed money, so on and so forth.
I feel like the Steelers probably could have stepped up.
It's not like Justin Field's got this monster contract in
comparison to other quarterbacks in the NFL. The Steelers, you know,
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had they wanted him bad enough, they would have stepped
up and made the move and made the money right
to try and keep him. But it just goes back
to Mike Tomlin has been through all these different combinations
of quarterbacks that they've been trying since Roethlisberger walked away,
and this feels like Mike Tomlin at the end of
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this being like, hey man, we're gonna give it one
last go, and LaVar, you brought this up last offseason.
I think Tomlin's days are numbered, Like.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
I think, if this doesn't work, you'd have to assume
that that's that's what comes next. And that's why I
continue to have the conversation the way that I continue
to have the conversation, like, what is your ultimate end
by bringing in Aaron Rodgers? If you're bringing him in
at this this this price, this price tag, where does
that price tag rank with all the other quarterbacks in
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the league right now? That's not even half. No, that's
not even half of a one year guarantee for some
of these upper echelonts qbs, it's not even had because
it's like starting at like forty these days, right, it's
like high thirties forties, No per year. Yeah, So you
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got him with ten million guaranteed and an words of
nineteen million dollars and he took it, and he took it,
So you got to take into consideration what that means.
He took well below market value of a position that
(31:18):
he could have required way more.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
He took it.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
Now, people will sit out there and nail conventionally, the
conventional wisdom response to what I just said is he's
good enough, he's made enough, he can go prove that
he's that good and the money can come from somewhere else, right, Like,
this could be a different situation, But I don't. I
don't think that that's it. I think that this is
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the best price he could get if he's going to
continue to play, and this could be his best opportunity
to try to have success before he ends his career.
And if that's the case, I just feel like those
are hard circumstances. A one year contract, A team that's
trying to figure it out, just got rid of their
number one, all right, they bring in DK whatever, blase blah.
(32:05):
I just don't think that this is a recipe that
is going to yield a very good looking or great
tasting product that is consumable.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
I just I don't feel that way right now.
Speaker 4 (32:17):
Lee, You've got the number from what I'm seeing. If
you were to look at his thirteen point six, and
even if you looked at his nineteenth, he would still
nineteen million. He would be ranked at nineteenth Steelers just
behind Justin Field at twenty million dollars average annually, with
the Jets ahead of rookie cam Ward in Tennessee, who's
getting twelve this.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
Year as a rookie, as a rookie, as a rookie
on a slotted scale. You guys don't think slotted scale contract.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
You guys don't think if Rogers wanted to haggle the
Steelers and squeeze a couple more million out of him,
he couldn't come on, Darren Rodgers.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
I mean, but again, that's the point that I'm making.
The point is is that that is what he took.
That is what he's getting, and that is what they're
paying and you're gonna get if you're talking about getting
the top CEO for your company and you want to
steal him away for her away from this company over
here to bring him to your company and get what
you're paid for. You get what you paid for what
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you pay for. And I think that that's ultimately what
this comes down to. Like you could be thinking you're
getting a discounted, you know, rate for the same thing
that you're getting, but you're ultimately you're only worth what
people are willing to pay you.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
And whether it's.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
A car, whether it's like it's like I was talking
to somebody about mister Styx the other day and they
asked me, you know, they're they're thinking about getting a
boor bull and this that and the other and da
dah dah and this and that. We went through it,
talked through it. Breeders died this, that did a lot
of homework.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
Blase blah.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
This is what I paid for when I wanted to
get this dog in particular, and that's what I paid for.
And then he told me what he was paying for
to get his and I said, well, that's what you're
going to get. I mean, that's that's fourteen off of
what I paid. So if you think you're going to
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get the same the same quality, good luck. I mean,
maybe it, maybe it does happen. Maybe maybe you do
feel like the quality of the dog is that of
one that you would have to pay top dollar for.
And maybe that happened, but maybe it didn't. But you
do know what you're getting for when you pay top
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dollar for what you pay for.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
Did you just call Aaron Rodgers a borble? No?
Speaker 3 (34:37):
And if I did, I would have said he was
the borble that's fourteen off from the other borble, which.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
I mean, is he okay with me? Is he okay
with being in that situation like you're being paid. You're
being paid.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
Like a backup, but you're going to be asked to
do what starters do.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
That's right, Okay, well there you go. Still, it is
two Pros and a Cup of Joe here on Fox
Sports Radio, LaVar Arrington, Jonas Knox with you coming up next,
we will close up shop on this Monday with another
edition of Lee's Leftovers here on FSR.
Speaker 6 (35:10):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
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Speaker 1 (35:21):
Hey, that do be sitting at them gambling tables, don't he?
Who's that? And does Bruno? Oh yeah, big degenerate gambler
throwing them ones down on the table.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Huh, Well you have a gambling problem.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
That guy's a real degenerates. Like dang, he like bets
on cars at the stoplight? No like which one gets
out faster? No way? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (35:47):
No, probably not, but.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
At least he's one of us, you know what I mean?
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Speaker 2 (36:29):
These might smell a little fun. What is that?
Speaker 6 (36:32):
Sounds incredible, but they're still good time to find out
what's left?
Speaker 2 (36:38):
It's Lee's leftovers, all right, delap?
Speaker 1 (36:40):
What do we got? That's right? We have.
Speaker 4 (36:42):
We have touched on a few of those viral videos
from over the weekend, including that homeless dudeent Inn't you
smelled so bad? A line decided to say no thank
you to that. We touched on the Flying Circus. That
was the inflatable kids blow up castle that blew away
with two kids away in it. They fell luckily survived,
but some injuries. They fell, They fell out of there,
(37:04):
fractured skull in a broken arm. But you know, fractured skull,
fractured skull. But he'll be okay, he'll survive.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
They're alive.
Speaker 4 (37:11):
Did you catch this one? Did you catch ed the
runaway pet zebra being captured in Tennessee? This zebra, this
dude was running away, running wild for a week in Tennessee.
They finally caught him and airlifted him back home. Ed
the zebra, good job, there is? So LeVar and I
were talking about this during the break. So you know,
zebras are black with white stripes. LeVar said, if they
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will LaVar said, if the zebra was white with black stripes,
it would be slower.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
And I don't know what he meant by that. I
thought it was out of line to be honest with
you and insulting. But you know, hey, hey, they airlifted him.
You imagine they dropped that thing like the air, like
the little air did with the camp with the fractured skull.
What was that movie?
Speaker 4 (37:58):
Was it Operation Dumbo or something like?
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Yeah, Dumbo Dumbo drop fun a dumb movie. What else
we got?
Speaker 4 (38:06):
Well, if you missed the seventy eighth Tonies last Night
by hosted by Cynthia Rivo. You at least get the
bet Snite hosted by Kevin Hart.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
So what is it the Tony Awards? Is that the musicals?
Speaker 4 (38:19):
Yeah, it's the Broadway Musicals. Guaranteed you watch that, lad,
I did not liar. I've watched it before, like a
good musical.
Speaker 6 (38:26):
Here.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
You love that goofy Hollywood stuff. You love that stuff? Yeah, yeah,
I do.
Speaker 4 (38:32):
I actually didn't realize it was on. Good for me.
I didn't want to watch it anyway, but I got
a few few excerpts. I couldn't tell you who won anything.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
What else we got?
Speaker 4 (38:41):
Happy Birthday Michael J. Fox and Johnny.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
Depp Michael JA hanging in there. Huh.
Speaker 4 (38:45):
Funny story that my dad's name was in between both
of those names when he was trying out.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
For a.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
Yeah, what do you mean? What was supposed to be.
Speaker 4 (38:53):
Him and Johnny Depp? They tried out one after the other.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
Johnny Depp tried out for Back to the Future. Yep.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
Wow, m hmmm.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
And all these years later they're blaming the dog for uh,
for somebody taking a dump in the house. He could
have been bit
Speaker 2 (39:15):
Ha ha ha
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Speaker 1 (00:37):
Need pop It, Lee, We need pop it. We gotta
get pop it back. It's gotta happen. This song ran
its course the day before it started getting played this hour.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Go to drop that on us and then roll out to.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Be here to listen to it. Want a stink bob?
He just left us and dropped a stink bob and
then walked out of the room. Hey, thanks, buddy, daph Yeah,
we'll bring up we'll readjust throw some uh throw.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
You guys wanted it. I just replaced it the whole week.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Here we go go pop that thing then, but that
thing make your.
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Boom boom boom, But no, no, hug mean will pop
my earsh Let me walking up mean.
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nine am Eastern, six o'clock Spacific here on the show.
Looking back on Game two of the NBA Finals, the
Oklahoma City Thunder respond, not a surprise, get it done,
and that series is now tied at one apiece with
Game three back in Indy, which I think is going
to be well done. Guys, well done, a crucial, a
(02:27):
crucial pivotal game in that series. So that does feel
like the expectation was Oka See responds. They're a great team.
They did just that much better performance. They were able
to close down the stretch. It didn't seem like there
was any fatigue anything going on there, and Indiana couldn't
really find a rhythm throughout the entire course of the game. Now,
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some people have looked at Tyrese Haliburton and they've looked
at just the numbers and his production in this game,
and Rick Carlisle says, listen and don't worry so much
about that when it comes to Tyree's here was the
Pacers coach.
Speaker 5 (03:05):
There's a lot more a game into the game than
just scoring. Everybody's got to do more. Starts with the
best players. Starts with Tyree, San Pascal and Miles who
will be in here to talk to you guys, and
then it goes from there. And so people shouldn't just
look at his points and assists and judge how he
played or any of our judge how any of our
(03:27):
guys played just on that. That's just not That's not
how our team is built. I mean, we're we're an
ecosystem that has to function together. And you know stats,
you know, we got scoring up points to win the game,
but who gets them and how they get him not important.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
And also there's a chance, with the way that OKC
plays defense that maybe tyress Aliburton just doesn't find his
footing in the series. It's possible.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
I mean, Cascal Siakam has to again the offense runs
through past Pascal Siakam. Now I got chewed up by
Plex and TJ. They are like, come on, you sound
crazy this that and the other I don't know if
they sound that way next time I talk to them.
He is the captain now, and he's the guy that
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if he can get it going, then everything else opens up,
including the production from Halliburton. And and that's to me, that's
that's that's the storyline. And if you think it's something else,
then that's fine.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
But you'd be.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Hard pressed to find to me a different a different
storyline like Halliburton scored fourteen points and last night, which
by the way, not one player, not one player hit
for twenty or plus, not one player reached plus twenty
points plus, or the Pacers.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Crazy four quarters.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
And we're talking about how elite some of these guys are,
starting with Tyrese.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Is that is that not ty Tyrese Haliburton.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
And and again you can go you can go down
the list of guys that maybe you might have thought
would have been difference makers. But to me, Pascal Siakam
is the guy if you can't figure out how to
get him going early in the game or some at
some point before you get down too much by in
(05:40):
the game. Because they have been a team that comes back,
They've been the comeback team of the playoffs. But if
you don't get Pascal Siakam going before you get down
and before the league gets you know, inflated, too too big,
too much, which lastslast night. It easily clearly got away
(06:03):
too quickly, too easily. You're not going to see this
offensive explosion from Halliburton that's going to offset what SGA
is doing on the.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Other side of the ball. Is your best player, like,
I don't, I mean, I don't know how. People will
argue that. People will argue it, they will dispute it.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
They're focused in on Halliburton, and rightfully so, he's made
some very very clutch shots, some big shots. But if
you're asking me, who is the catalyst for this Indiana
Pacers team to have a chance to really really win
this series and win games, tough games because of the
(06:47):
way this defense plays for okay, see the type of
talent that they have and the megastar that they have
in SGA, it's going to be Pascal Siakam.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Look at me, short, I'm the.
Speaker 5 (07:00):
Cut to now.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Yeah, thank you, Pascal.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
And it's crazy because he can't have off games. He
can't have a nineteen point game. I mean, he had
a double double, but he can't. He can't have I mean,
he can't.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Have an off night shooting the ball like you're when
you're talking to Plex and TJ, did they know that
Siakam was the Pacers leading scorer this year? Yes, like
this is not TJ told me.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
To get out of here like like I had like
did something horribly wrong by saying that Pascal Siakam is
in position to win MVP again if the Pacers win.
I feel like I'm I'm pretty solid with my toes.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Down on it.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
That's a heel right now that I'm willing to die on.
If the Indiana Pacers right now were to win, and
you look at who's the catalysts.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Sure you can look at the clutch.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Point that that Tyrese Haliburton got in the Game one,
but that's not possible unless Pascal Siakam.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Is playing the way that he's playing in Game one.
Who I mean, listen, I got it money, money making
opportunity for you here, Low Carrington, Right, so you can
take this over to a up on game. They're going
to doubt and throw some shade at you right now. Currently,
as it stands, the favorites to win NBA Finals MVP
(08:35):
come on SGA. Shay Gildess. Alexander is a heavy favorite
at a minus four to seventy five, So you've got
to lay four hundred and seventy five dollars just to
make one hundred tyrese Haliburton plus six hundred, So lay
one hundred you can win six hundred. But if you
(08:56):
are correct and it is Pascal Siakam who wins NBA
Finals MVP, if Indiana does win this series, it pays
out nineteen to one, So you could lay one hundred
bucks down on DraftKings and get back nineteen hundred dollars.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Long sticks, No, that's not a stick's pick because they're
not going to win. If they were, if they were
to win it, that's like put it to.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
You like this.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
If you put that bet, if you put that bet
in now with the idea that you believe that the
Pacers can upset OKAC, then that's a good that's a
good move.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
That's a good move.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
If you really believe in your heart of hearts that
OKC can actually be beat in.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
This in this series.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Now, I'll say this, I don't know what the future
holds in in Indianapolis. They got to go beat the
Pacers in Indiana. I'm not sure what that represents. Game
three will tell. It's a lot about what this series
looks like moving forward. If if OKC goes into Indiana
(10:07):
and Game three and they're able to especially if they're
able to win an emphatic fashion, like convincing fashion, I
kind of think that the series pretty.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Much is over.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
But if if the Pacers can come in and defend
home court in Game three and go up to one,
there's a very real chance that OKC could find themselves
in a very very tough situation being able to get
out of this series and win the NBA Finals. Lee,
can you look up real quick if you don't mind
(10:40):
how long a flight is from Oklahoma City and to Indianapolis.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
I just want to see it's.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Not forest, That ain't far. About two and a half,
three hours and something like probably something like that's that? Yeah,
two and a half probably, I would assume, you know,
it's from Central time zone to.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
Eastern I'm seeing about three forty four.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
That can't that That might be right, Yeah, that might
be right. Yeah, three forty four direct flight is almost
four hours from okay See to Indianapolis.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
Yeah, okay See to Indianapolis three forty four. I would
have thought that.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
Long because I was just trying to figure out why
we got to wait till Wednesday for the next game,
just wondering why that is. I didn't know if the
flight was you know, like.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
There are no direct flights available from Oklahoma City to Indianapolis,
so it has to it has to include the stop.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
So that's why it takes so long.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
But they have to have chartered flights.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Yeah, yeah, but.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
I'm just saying the reason why you're probably I don't know,
maybe the reason why you're getting because three hours and
forty five minutes sounds long, Like what.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
About a drive from okac to Indianapolis. I'm just trying to,
you know, justify why we've got to wait an extra
day to get this game three. I'm trying to figure
that out. Well, they want their rest low management. Come on, man, like,
can we stop with this? I just we got to
stop just every other day. That's it. That's it. That's
(12:06):
all we need. Every other you don't need, we don't
need extra red. Well, You're like, I could understand Edmonton
and Florida in the NHL the Stanley Cup. I could
get that. That's a long ass trip to go from
Edmonton to Florida. I totally get it. But I mean,
this is Oklahoma City, Indianapolis. I mean, we're not talking
about you know, traveling internationally here. I mean, come on,
(12:29):
let's speed this up. Make a call, all right, somebody
make a call and say, you know what, that's a
great idea. Right, enough with this crap. Let's go ahead
and just schedule these every other day. That's it. It's
not too much to ask, but I did. I did
notice this though. It is kind of nice just to
(12:49):
have an NBA Finals where it's only about basketball. Have
you noticed that, Like there's no other side story or well,
there's no other story about what's going on behind the scenes.
Hey what happened here? Like I saw, you know, Tyree
Saliburton got up from his postgame press conference and some
people noticed that he was that he was limping a
(13:11):
little bit, and so like, oh, what does that mean? Forget?
It just feels like the storylines are all about basketball.
There's no drama, no bs. You didn't even hear anything
about the fact that Tyree Saliburton's dad is back in
the building. Nothing, none of that. It's kind of a
breath of fresh air. That that's what we get, you know,
no ether bs or garbage to go along with it.
It's about damn time. Good job NBA. By the way,
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Speaker 1 (14:21):
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe Fox Sports Radio,
LaVar Arrington, Jonas Knox with you here. Coming up, we'll
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we are going to have another edition of Lee's Leftovers
as we close up shop here on this Monday morning.
Do you want to mention some news that just came
out a short time ago. Not the biggest surprise in
(14:43):
the world. This was the expectation at some point if
they couldn't get a deal done. But that's a wrap
jay R. Alexander has been cut by the Green Bay Packers,
So that is that'll wrap up his time with the
Green Bay Packers.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
That according to Ian Rapaport, Uh, what's your reaction to that, Lee?
Speaker 1 (15:10):
How you feel? How does that make you feel?
Speaker 5 (15:12):
Well?
Speaker 4 (15:12):
I'm bummed that he just never panned out as a
great player for for the whole season. He was always injured.
He never really lived up to the full potential. He
was great, he's a great player, still still great eight
years old.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
But whatever it in. Sorry, he's just drawed. That was
one of his Packers jerseys.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
I adore you, Le.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Sorry, didn't you have a gy your Alexander jersey?
Speaker 2 (15:34):
No?
Speaker 1 (15:34):
I never did get.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
I don't get players who get stay injured.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Oh gosh, geez, oh they're there.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
I guess, uh, the organization don't keep players that stay injured.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
I think it was more he wanted out. Okay, yeah,
they they offered him a restructured contract. He said he
wanted to stay, but he was always I don't know,
he was always saying something like he wanted out.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
By the way, did you see Levards You happened to
see the latest on Jalen Ramsey? Speaking of defensive backs,
tell everyone so the very latest on Jalen Ramsey. This also,
according to NFL Network, Ramsey will stay away from the
Dolphins off season program. They're still trying to trade him. God,
(16:20):
I can't imagine why they haven't been able to execute
a trade yet. It was almost like, you know, they
let everybody know it advance, Yeah, we're trading this player.
I still don't understand. And I know it's like, well,
why beat around the bush, you know, why not make
it public that you know, if you're going to move
on from a guy and move on from a guy,
why let any of that information out. If you want
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to get a trade done, and you are actually motivated
to get a trade done and you want to move
a player, why would you give any tell at all
that you're trying to trade the guy. If have conversations
you know, with teams, if teams ask hey, anybody available,
I don't know, what would you think about Jalen Ramsey. Instead,
you come out and you tell everybody you're trying to
(17:02):
trade the guy. Why would teams around the league make
a move when they can just sign him if he
gets released? Like JR. Alexander and the Packers probably had
several conversations with teams, but they're like, dude, they're just
gonna end up releasing them anyways, because it's been so public.
I just I don't I don't understand the thought and
teams still do it, still talking, Oh, listen, we're going
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to try to trade, Like Chris Greer, the GM for
the Dolphins say, oh, we're going to try and trade
Jalen Ramsey. Why go public with that? Like? Why not
keep that behind close towards I don't.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
Didn't Jalen Ramsey make it so that they had to
go public?
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Though?
Speaker 3 (17:39):
Didn't he say, you know, a bit farewell to everyone
in Miami?
Speaker 1 (17:45):
I think it was after Chris Greer? Was it after? Yeah?
That's why I don't understand, Like, if you really we
get it, it didn't work. It hasn't worked out there.
But do you.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
Feel as though he may have leveraged them into having
to say something? You know, I don't like if y'all
don't release me or trade me or whatever, like I'm
gonna let people know I'm not coming back.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Yeah, but came first the market. Players do that all
the time, though, to where they'll do something passive aggressive
on social media like that's that's you know, the new
move in the NFL, like or the new move in
sports where if somebody wants out, oh they stop, they
unfollowed the team and they.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Put not no longer a part of It's like it's
not in their bio that the team.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
It's like the new it's like the new Facebook relationship thing.
It's complicated. It's like, good thing. Why don't you just
say I'm looking for something strange? Okay, just say that.
But these but like so players will post that all
the time. The organization. You don't hear gms come out
even if he did post something like that and come
out and say, oh, yeah, we are trying to trade him. Okay,
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so why would I do a deal with you if
he's just gonna get cut. I'll just wait until he's
available and I don't have to give anything up for him.
Just doesn't make any sense to.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
Me unless you really need him and if you have
a real need for him and you believe that he's
got enough gas in the tank, then you don't want
somebody else to get a hold of him. So you
try to figure out a deal. What does that look like?
What would that type of deal look like? How much
money is is is he you know, is his contract
worth like? What does that look like? I think that
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that would play the biggest role in what takes place here.
If that's a too that's a nut that's too big
to crack, like, you're not going to go get them.
And and Miami has to know that going into this.
So what is the scenario?
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Why?
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Why would you have not tried to salvage the situation
with him? And if it were not a salvageable situation
and you are indeed moving on from him, I would
have been way more aggressive with trying to move him,
you know earlier on like pre draft, you know all that,
like the start of the NFL season, the new NFL season.
(20:01):
I would have been all over that to try to
make that work.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Why is this? Why is this drug out into June? Well,
it's like the kirk Cousins stuff. At this point, Kirk
Cousins has two options because he you know, he wants
to play, he wants an opportunity, and he wants to
be elsewhere. And he talked to the Falcons. He went
to Arthur Blank, he you know, gave him his case
as to why he you know, can you trade me?
(20:25):
Can you move on? And the Falcons are like, no, no,
we want to keep around for a veteran insurance at
the backup quarterback spot. We picked up his ten million
dollar option. So if you're Kirk Cousins, and this is
just the cruel reality of where he's at this offseason,
if you're Kirk Cousins at this point in the offseason,
you got two choices, right, you got two options. Either
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you're playing for the Falcons next year, or somebody gets hurt.
And if a team has a starting quarterback who gets
hurt and they're desperate, that's when you would see them
make a move. But at this point, to your point,
it's a little late in the game to like start,
it's a low light like wheeling and dealing. And for
whatever reason, you know, at least you know the Packers
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have moved on reportedly from JayR Alexander. That'll be done
later on today and then we still wait to see
what happens with Jalen Ramsey. Now Aaron Rodgers is a
Pittsburgh Steeler quarterback. Speaking of former Packers, jay R Alexander
is going to be one, Aaron Rodgers is one. He's
now the starting quarterback for the Pittsburgh Steelers. As he
(21:25):
signed his one year deal over the weekend, made it
official one year, nineteen million dollars with incentives thirteen million
dollars in change, but really the guarantee is ten million dollars.
So basically it's a one year, ten million dollar deal
and he can get to those other numbers if he
hit certain incentives and certain benchmarks in the contract. All
(21:47):
that we can we talk?
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Can we talk about this whole Aaron Rodgers situation?
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Him wearing number eight? Who were number eight in Pittsburgh?
I think they're a punter. Did he's gonna wear a
number three? Why is he wearing number eight? That's not
what I want.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
I want to talk about Aaron Rodgers getting a one
year deal and getting ten million guaranteed and having an
upwards of nineteen million and escalators and incentives in his contract. Again,
I will say this, and I said this when they
got Russ and I said this when they got buddy
(22:29):
from Chicago, Josh Justin Fields when they got filed.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
So you're saying Trubisky, No, I'm gonna say.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
I'm gonna say, with the quarterbacks they brought in last year,
you got discounted rates for both of them, one still
being on their their rookie contract, the other one just
not having any value at this point in time when
you brought them on. So you have two quarterbacks that
(23:03):
are pretty comparable in what their contracts look like, and
so there's no real you know, you have the feeling
there's no real loss if neither one of them proves out.
Now you do that one off season with two former
starters of two different organizations last season, that's fine. Is
(23:26):
it okay to do it two seasons in a row?
It works so good last year, Well, it didn't work
so good last year. Pushing through your sarcasm, it didn't
work very well last year.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
In fact, it.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Did not work to the degree of where you didn't
want one of the quarterbacks. Speculation says that you possibly
wanted one of the quarterbacks back, and both of them
are gone and you go back to a quarterback that
was a starter for you before that? Really, which if
(24:04):
you look this up, Lee or you Jonas is Mason
Rudolph eight and four as the starting quarterback of the
Pittsburgh Steelers. I think he's a winning record quarterback during
his tenure as a Pittsburgh Steeler quarterback. Nonetheless, they did
not prove out and show that they were a Super
(24:26):
Bowl contending team with Mason Rudolph. And so now you
bring him back. You got Will Howard the draft pick?
Is he the guy? So is the setup in the
scenario of this to say, Aaron Rodgers gives us one
year to give Will the opportunity to learn from Aaron Rodgers,
(24:48):
watch his habits, watch how he studies, study him, and
learn from him. If something were to happen, Mason Rudolph
is our safety net to put in so that we
we can still try to be competitive for the season.
And then at some point we're going with Will as
our starting quarterback. If that's what it is, then I
(25:10):
don't know. At this point, is it I feel like,
is it it's prudent to let the plan be made known.
This is what we're planning on doing. This is why
we didn't sign Aaron Rodgers to a long term contract.
This is why we didn't sign Aaron Rodgers to a
large contract because this is what we're planning on doing.
(25:31):
But we do feel as though we can improve our team,
impact our team right now with a motivated Aaron Rodgers.
Which now the question becomes, with everything that he's gone
through and all the speculation with good authority, what it
is that he's experienced this offseason, with the personal things
he's had to get through, does it translate into Aaron
(25:55):
Rodgers coming in and having one amazing year? And if so,
then now doesn't that create another issue where now the
conversation has to be we gave him a one year contract.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
He played his ass off, he played well.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
Are you rewarding him with a long term Are you
rewarding him with a different contract I think? Or are
you moving on and sticking to the plan of what
it may have been to move on to Will Howard,
who you drafted in this year's draft class. I think
he's at a one year at a time basis at
this point in his career, and I think he said
as much in interviews as well, too, Is that you
(26:33):
know just gonna take a one year at a time,
if he plays well enough this year and they have
a good year and he looks, you know, more like
the Rogers of old, and what looks more like the
Rogers we saw him the back end of last year
when he played much better. I mean, I think then
the conversation becomes, well, let's just do it again, Like
why wouldn't we just do it again, especially if they're
out of contention and getting a top draft pick. But
(26:57):
at some point they're going to have.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
To figure out their quarterback of the future, and they've
been scrambling to do that for years now. I mean,
you know, Ben Roethlisberger got a red ass when they
took Mason Rudolph in the third round or whatever it was.
I remember talking about it at the time when Roethlisberger
called into a sports radio show in Pittsburgh and it
(27:21):
was like a Saturday Saturday afternoon. He called into some
sports radio show in Pittsburgh and was just sort of
criticizing the Steelers. Why would we take a quarterback there?
There were other positions of need that we needed, et cetera,
et cetera. They should have addressed their quarterback of the
future conversation a long ass time ago. Because since Roethlisberger's
final year, what have they any picket didn't work? It
(27:46):
just it just didn't work for whatever reason you had.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
Nothing has worked out. No, we could give the names.
Nothing has worked out. In fact, the last days of
Ben Roethlisberger didn't work out. That didn't work out as well.
So it wasn't like you left him prematurely. He was
done too. Is just that the idea of replacing a
(28:11):
replacement has not that has not surfaced me.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
So let me ask you that because there was I
think it was Adam Schefter who said on Friday or
it was over the weekend at some point, and he
made the mention that Aaron Rodgers is the Packers third option,
that they were all in on wanting to get Matthew Stafford.
That didn't work. They wanted to resign Justin Fields anyone elsewhere,
and so they end up with Rogers. Whether that's true,
(28:36):
who knows. But Mike, this is what I do know.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
Whether you kept Justin Fields, whether you got Aaron Rodgers,
whether you kept Russell Wilson, whether you brought in Mason Rudolph,
whether you drafted Will Howard.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Is there anything else we want? Well, whether you win
got cousin. Let me ask you this though, because let's
let's play that out that. Okay, they wanted Matthew Stafford. Well,
there's other teams that wanted Matthew Stafford as well too.
He ended up staying with the Rams. The Justin Fields conversation, well,
they wanted Justin Fields, he chose to go to the Jets,
And I look at that and I'm like, what does
(29:17):
that mean? Why would he choose the Jets over the Steelers?
And you know, the easy answer is, well, because of money.
They offered him more guaranteed money, so on and so forth.
I feel like the Steelers probably could have stepped up.
It's not like Justin Field's got this monster contract in
comparison to other quarterbacks in the NFL. The Steelers, you know,
(29:37):
had they wanted him bad enough, they would have stepped
up and made the move and made the money right
to try and keep him. But it just goes back
to Mike Tomlin has been through all these different combinations
of quarterbacks that they've been trying since Roethlisberger walked away,
and this feels like Mike Tomlin at the end of
(29:59):
this being like, hey man, we're gonna give it one
last go, and LaVar, you brought this up last offseason.
I think Tomlin's days are numbered, Like.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
I think, if this doesn't work, you'd have to assume
that that's that's what comes next. And that's why I
continue to have the conversation the way that I continue
to have the conversation, like, what is your ultimate end
by bringing in Aaron Rodgers? If you're bringing him in
at this this this price, this price tag, where does
that price tag rank with all the other quarterbacks in
(30:34):
the league right now? That's not even half. No, that's
not even half of a one year guarantee for some
of these upper echelonts qbs, it's not even had because
it's like starting at like forty these days, right, it's
like high thirties forties, No per year. Yeah, So you
(30:54):
got him with ten million guaranteed and an words of
nineteen million dollars and he took it, and he took it,
So you got to take into consideration what that means.
He took well below market value of a position that
(31:18):
he could have required way more.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
He took it.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
Now, people will sit out there and nail conventionally, the
conventional wisdom response to what I just said is he's
good enough, he's made enough, he can go prove that
he's that good and the money can come from somewhere else, right, Like,
this could be a different situation, But I don't. I
don't think that that's it. I think that this is
(31:43):
the best price he could get if he's going to
continue to play, and this could be his best opportunity
to try to have success before he ends his career.
And if that's the case, I just feel like those
are hard circumstances. A one year contract, A team that's
trying to figure it out, just got rid of their
number one, all right, they bring in DK whatever, blase blah.
(32:05):
I just don't think that this is a recipe that
is going to yield a very good looking or great
tasting product that is consumable.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
I just I don't feel that way right now.
Speaker 4 (32:17):
Lee, You've got the number from what I'm seeing. If
you were to look at his thirteen point six, and
even if you looked at his nineteenth, he would still
nineteen million. He would be ranked at nineteenth Steelers just
behind Justin Field at twenty million dollars average annually, with
the Jets ahead of rookie cam Ward in Tennessee, who's
getting twelve this.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
Year as a rookie, as a rookie, as a rookie
on a slotted scale. You guys don't think slotted scale contract.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
You guys don't think if Rogers wanted to haggle the
Steelers and squeeze a couple more million out of him,
he couldn't come on, Darren Rodgers.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
I mean, but again, that's the point that I'm making.
The point is is that that is what he took.
That is what he's getting, and that is what they're
paying and you're gonna get if you're talking about getting
the top CEO for your company and you want to
steal him away for her away from this company over
here to bring him to your company and get what
you're paid for. You get what you paid for what
(33:15):
you pay for. And I think that that's ultimately what
this comes down to. Like you could be thinking you're
getting a discounted, you know, rate for the same thing
that you're getting, but you're ultimately you're only worth what
people are willing to pay you.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
And whether it's.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
A car, whether it's like it's like I was talking
to somebody about mister Styx the other day and they
asked me, you know, they're they're thinking about getting a
boor bull and this that and the other and da
dah dah and this and that. We went through it,
talked through it. Breeders died this, that did a lot
of homework.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
Blase blah.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
This is what I paid for when I wanted to
get this dog in particular, and that's what I paid for.
And then he told me what he was paying for
to get his and I said, well, that's what you're
going to get. I mean, that's that's fourteen off of
what I paid. So if you think you're going to
(34:10):
get the same the same quality, good luck. I mean,
maybe it, maybe it does happen. Maybe maybe you do
feel like the quality of the dog is that of
one that you would have to pay top dollar for.
And maybe that happened, but maybe it didn't. But you
do know what you're getting for when you pay top
(34:31):
dollar for what you pay for.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
Did you just call Aaron Rodgers a borble? No?
Speaker 3 (34:37):
And if I did, I would have said he was
the borble that's fourteen off from the other borble, which.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
I mean, is he okay with me? Is he okay
with being in that situation like you're being paid. You're
being paid.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
Like a backup, but you're going to be asked to
do what starters do.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
That's right, Okay, well there you go. Still, it is
two Pros and a Cup of Joe here on Fox
Sports Radio, LaVar Arrington, Jonas Knox with you coming up next,
we will close up shop on this Monday with another
edition of Lee's Leftovers here on FSR.
Speaker 6 (35:10):
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Speaker 1 (35:21):
Hey, that do be sitting at them gambling tables, don't he?
Who's that? And does Bruno? Oh yeah, big degenerate gambler
throwing them ones down on the table.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Huh, Well you have a gambling problem.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
That guy's a real degenerates. Like dang, he like bets
on cars at the stoplight? No like which one gets
out faster? No way? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (35:47):
No, probably not, but.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
At least he's one of us, you know what I mean?
It is two Pros and a Cup of Joe here
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Speaker 2 (36:29):
These might smell a little fun. What is that?
Speaker 6 (36:32):
Sounds incredible, but they're still good time to find out
what's left?
Speaker 2 (36:38):
It's Lee's leftovers, all right, delap?
Speaker 1 (36:40):
What do we got? That's right? We have.
Speaker 4 (36:42):
We have touched on a few of those viral videos
from over the weekend, including that homeless dudeent Inn't you
smelled so bad? A line decided to say no thank
you to that. We touched on the Flying Circus. That
was the inflatable kids blow up castle that blew away
with two kids away in it. They fell luckily survived,
but some injuries. They fell, They fell out of there,
(37:04):
fractured skull in a broken arm. But you know, fractured skull,
fractured skull. But he'll be okay, he'll survive.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
They're alive.
Speaker 4 (37:11):
Did you catch this one? Did you catch ed the
runaway pet zebra being captured in Tennessee? This zebra, this
dude was running away, running wild for a week in Tennessee.
They finally caught him and airlifted him back home. Ed
the zebra, good job, there is? So LeVar and I
were talking about this during the break. So you know,
zebras are black with white stripes. LeVar said, if they
(37:35):
will LaVar said, if the zebra was white with black stripes,
it would be slower.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
And I don't know what he meant by that. I
thought it was out of line to be honest with
you and insulting. But you know, hey, hey, they airlifted him.
You imagine they dropped that thing like the air, like
the little air did with the camp with the fractured skull.
What was that movie?
Speaker 4 (37:58):
Was it Operation Dumbo or something like?
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Yeah, Dumbo Dumbo drop fun a dumb movie. What else
we got?
Speaker 4 (38:06):
Well, if you missed the seventy eighth Tonies last Night
by hosted by Cynthia Rivo. You at least get the
bet Snite hosted by Kevin Hart.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
So what is it the Tony Awards? Is that the musicals?
Speaker 4 (38:19):
Yeah, it's the Broadway Musicals. Guaranteed you watch that, lad,
I did not liar. I've watched it before, like a
good musical.
Speaker 6 (38:26):
Here.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
You love that goofy Hollywood stuff. You love that stuff? Yeah, yeah,
I do.
Speaker 4 (38:32):
I actually didn't realize it was on. Good for me.
I didn't want to watch it anyway, but I got
a few few excerpts. I couldn't tell you who won anything.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
What else we got?
Speaker 4 (38:41):
Happy Birthday Michael J. Fox and Johnny.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
Depp Michael JA hanging in there. Huh.
Speaker 4 (38:45):
Funny story that my dad's name was in between both
of those names when he was trying out.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
For a.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
Yeah, what do you mean? What was supposed to be.
Speaker 4 (38:53):
Him and Johnny Depp? They tried out one after the other.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
Johnny Depp tried out for Back to the Future. Yep.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
Wow, m hmmm.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
And all these years later they're blaming the dog for uh,
for somebody taking a dump in the house. He could
have been bit
Speaker 2 (39:15):
Ha ha ha
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