LaVar Arrington sits down with the College Football Hall of Famer Lincoln Kennedy from the class of 2015 to discuss what the game has meant to his life, how he got on one of the most talented teams in college football history, and where life has taken him after stepping away from football. Kennedy discusses the profound impact football has had on his life, particularly in terms of education and opportunities. He reflects on his journey from a military family in San Diego to becoming a standout player at the University of Washington and later in the NFL. Kennedy emphasizes the importance of communication and personal development, sharing insights on his connection with the National Football Foundation and his transition into media after football. He also highlights the significance of community engagement and the challenges athletes face post-career.
Takeaways
- Football provided me with an opportunity for higher education.
- Education is a rare opportunity that should be cherished.
- Communication skills are essential for personal development.
- I never wanted to be just a football player; I wanted to be well-rounded.
- The National Football Foundation plays a crucial role in promoting education.
- Success in football is measured by longevity and teamwork.
- Transitioning to the professional level is a significant challenge.
- Life after football requires adapting to a new identity.
- Community service is vital for personal fulfillment.
- Food is a way to bring people together and foster connections.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I didn't really care about the accolades because I didn't
do for the accolades. I did it because I didn't
want to let my teammates down. When we talk about
the NFF, I strongly believe LeVar In College is an
opportunity for higher education. But the opportunity comes around. It's
rare for anybody to be stowed an opportunity for a
scholarship or an opportunity for an education at a higher level.
And something that the NFF has hell has calls very
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close to my endar my heart, is that it keeps
that level of an intensity and push on education, the
Maxwell Wards and all the other accolades. When I've seen
some of these football players with some of these GPAs
and some of these majors, my jaw just drops.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
What's up? Everybody's LeVar Arrington here? And on this edition
of Good in the Game, I bring on my guy.
One of the dopest dudes you'll ever meet. Super, super strong,
amazing football player on the football field, played for the
Washington Huskies, then was drafted ninth overall to uh WELL
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in nineteen ninety three to the Atlanta Falcons. This dude
ends up in Oakland and had an amazing, amazing Pro Bowl,
All Pro career. But we're gonna talk about life as well.
So here we go, Lincoln Kennedy. That's right. Good in
the game, National Football Foundation, LeVar Arrington one two or
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was it three two? One? Bam? Here we go, big link,
Lincoln Kennedy. What like having you on the show and
talking to you about what's good in the game. I
gotta start off by asking, how has the game of
football impacted you? When you think of what's good in
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the game, what does Lincoln Kennedy think.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Of Well, I think of it as an opportunity for
you know, young men and women to be able to
get out of the inner the inner city, an opportunity
to get an education. That's what That's what football brought
to me. When I was young. Had no idea how
I was going to get out of the you know,
the backstreets to San Diego before I went on to college,
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and they know how I was going to afford it.
And then playing sports, Uh turned that around for me.
I was not a sports kid growing up. I was
involved with music and then it wasn't until my high
school coach saw me running around in high school and
told me that I was coming out for football. That
changed my life. So as far as the good of
the game goes, I think it provides opportunities for young
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men and women. And because football is growing, you see
in the flag football the women as part of is growing.
It's becoming more popular. That's why I'm including them in
the statement. But football, I think is a great game.
It's a team chemistry game that builds you for the future.
LeVar more importantly show you how to work together, which
you know, let's face it, that's what you need to
do in this world today.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
You are one of the more more most diverse dudes
I've met. You're you're polished, your You're able to communicate
in a way that that is very distinguished. I think
if you ask any of us within our football community,
you know who's one of the dudes you look to
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as like a role model and handles things the right way.
Your name is immediately one of the names that that
comes up. How how did you develop How did you
develop such a clear, distinctive way of basically impacting people
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through the way you communicate with them.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Well, first of all, thank you very nice, very nice
and kind words. I really appreciate it, especially coming from you.
And by the way, before I missed, but congratulations on
your recent induction into the College Football Hall of Fame.
Welcome to the family.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
I appreciate you know.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
I'm there with you. So yeah, most happened long overdoing.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
We're gonna get there.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Absolutely, we're gonna get to that. But I'm just saying
that before I forget, because sometimes these offers line memories
don't don't don't last me that long. So here's the
thing of our I My mother was an advocate of education,
or still is, and every day I saw her, she
would she would reward me with the same you know,
announcement every day. She's like, never stop learning. And so
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that was first and foremost. Secondly on something that disturbed me,
that bothered me a great deal as we were growing up,
is that people would constantly reflect to the color of
our skin being unable to communicate. And it bothered the
hell out of me, to be honest with you, brou
because I hate when somebody would say, well, you don't
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sound black, or I hate you're so well spoken.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
I mean, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
It's like because I cherished education because I know how
to communicate. Does that make me? It just I don't
necessarily think I'm special, but it just makes me a
slightly bit different. But you know the biggest thing for me,
LeVar is when as I was coming up playing this game,
I never wanted to be referred to as a football player.
I wanted to be referred to as a guy who
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played football. And there's a big difference. I'm more well
rounded and I'm more I like to experiment with things.
It's one of the reasons why I went into to
sports talk radio is because when I was working with
the NFL network four days a week, working with rich
Eisend and those guys, all we were doing is talking
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about football. They got boring, and it gets old, gets stale.
How many times you want to announce when Brett Favre
is going to retire? I don't know. You know what
I mean is what it is. But I say that
to say this. When I went into sports talk radio,
it allowed me to become more well rounded because it
forced me to study other sports. I had to study golf,
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I had to study NASCAR, I had to study tennis.
I didn't know anything of those sports. My first love
was basketball. Second level was football, So I had to
learn all those other sports. That was a challenge to me.
And then you know, the great John Matt and may
Rest and Piece told me when I first got into
the industry. He's like, you have to develop your own voice, Lincoln.
And what he meant by that is that everybody wants
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to talk behind the mic. Everybody wants to act like
they know what they're talking about. Football is not a
complex game. It's not something that people can't do. I mean,
anybody can do it if you can hold a conversation.
But you have to develop your voice. And that's what
I've been working on my career to do. Leavar.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
That is awesome, man. All Right, So you mentioned the NFF.
Obviously this is a National Football Foundation podcast that I'm doing.
Talk about your your connection with the NFF. You talked
about education that reflects a foundational piece of the National
Football Foundation, A real commitment to being great, that's a
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foundational piece of the National Football Foundation. Just talk about
the National Football Foundation and it's represented and your you know,
well obviously that you showed them the hardware, but your
connection with the NFF and the National Football Foundation, College
Football Hall of Fame, well.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
I was stunned back in twenty fifteen when I got
the phone call about being inducted, and I actually thought.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
It was a joke.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
To be honest with you, I thought it was a joke.
I thought somebody was playing to joke on me, and
I couldn't believe it. But you know, the thing is
is that we both have had successful, you know, playing careers,
and then you know that success is measured everyone differently.
I measure success on being able to do it for
double digit years. I didn't really care about the accolades
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because I didn't do it for the accolades. I did
it because I didn't want to let my teammates down.
So I say that to say this when we talk
about the NFF and I'm part of a couple of
the committees and stuff like that. I strongly believe LeVar
in college is an opportunity for higher education, but it
doesn't necessarily apply to everyone. Everyone's not going to make
it in college and some people, you know, some people
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have got to be refrigerator workers, some people have got
to be ditch triggers, and it's just the way the
thing is. But the opportunity comes around. It's rare for
anybody to be stowed an opportunity for a scholarship or
an opportunity for an education at a higher level. And
something that the NFF has hell has calls very close
to my dear my heart, is that it keeps that
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level of an intensity and push on education, the Maxwell
Wards and all the other accolades. When I'm seen some
of these football players with some of these GPAs and
some of these majors, my jaw just drops, like politically,
you know, biagradable science and getting a four point on
come on now there. But you know what I can
those those guys and those people able to do it.
(08:43):
So that's something the NFF has been near and dear
to me, building a relationship allowing it to grow. And
because I do care a lot about the game of football,
I want to see the future shine bright.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
I love that all right Now, I gotta throw this
one out at you. How did you end up in
sn Diego? You mentioned being in San Diego, but you
know I'm a PA guy, and you even know it's
the Eastern side. You was in York, Yes, they brought
you in this world in York. How did you end
up in York? And how did you end up in
San Diego? How did that work?
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Navy Bratt? My dad joined the military when I was young.
We moved out to San Diego when I was raised there.
I still got about three generations on both sides of
my family back in York, PA and Central PA. So
I do miss home. I do miss I do miss PA.
I try to get back there as often as possible.
But you know, hey, there's a lot, there's a lot
of big things that came out of PA when it
comes to football, especially Western PA. You know, you know
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that for sure. So yeah, it's a lot of rich history.
Just glad to be a part of it.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
That's awesome. Man. It shouts out to our military always
always love and respect for them. All right, So let's
talk about this. You end up on the West Coast,
you play ball. We can't we can't just talk about
life without going into your football career, because well, you
you were adult man, and literally and figuratively you were
(10:03):
a dog. You went to Washington, you played for the Huskies,
and and I gotta tell you when Napoleon Napoleon Kaufman
is the third fourth option running back on on a
dominant team such as yours, and in fact, Mark Burnell
(10:26):
is a backup on that team, and you got a
guy like Mark Brunner on that team. And man, you
guys had so many studs. You had Phil too. We'll
we'll touch on that one too. By the way, LB
one of my favorite LB's By the way, you you
have you have so many amazing ball players on one team,
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and there's Lincoln Kennedy on there as well. How how
was that experience for you? Like to be on such
an amaze that ends up on top.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
To be honest, bro, I didn't realize how good we were.
I mean, you got to understand something when I mean,
as I said earlier, I didn't grow up playing sports,
so I didn't I didn't know what was a good team,
what was a bad team. I mean, I know the
wins losses. I'm not stupid like that, but you know
that doesn't necessarily determine if it's a good team. You know,
wins losses, the records is. But I say this, You
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know I wanted to go to Washington because I wanted
to get out of California. I took a trip to
usc didn't care too much for it, took a trip
to UCLA, didn't cared for it. I didn't think I
could get in Stanford. Didn't think I could qualify for Stanford.
Cal didn't have a football program. I wasn't going to
be a duck. I wasn't going to be a Beaver.
And my first love was actually Michigan until I found
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out that they were just trying to recruit me to
put me on offensive line. They're gonna switch me offensive
line because I don't know if you know this, but
I was recruited as a yeah d line Yeah, yeah,
my my my favorite player watch and once I got
into football. The reason why I were in me too
is at two tall Jones from the Cowboys, because I
could relate with him. I was always taller with everybody else, right, Yeah,
so you know that was my sort of gauge to
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what football was. And then the first year went to Washington,
my red shirt year eighty eight, I think we went
six and five. Couldn't beat anybody. Really. Don James came
in and had a team meeting and said we're changing
up everything. And he came to me and he says,
you can stay on defense, but you're probably not going
to play. There's an opportunity for you on offense. And
I went home and called my high school coach, John Shacoltt,
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who was my mentor back then, LeVar, and he knew
all about more about football than I did, so I
always relied on him. And he had played a little bit,
played a little bit in the league two and he said, look, Link,
if you go over to the offensive side, you know
one day you'll be a high draft choice and being
all Pro. And I was like really, and again not
knowing what I was into and not knowing how it was.
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My biggest thing, LeVar is I never want to let
my teammates down. So I always went out there with
the effort that I'm not going to get beat today
because you're You're not going to be my assignment that
gets to the ball carrier, the quarterback or anything like that.
So I think we and I think as a team
unanimously across the board, we did a lot of that.
That's one of the reasons why we're so successful.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
It was a special team, boy, I tell you that,
all right. And I and I mentioned Jamie Fields, dope
linebacker man. Such a tragic beast, tragic deal. You know,
he loses his life in a car accident. But man,
did he have an impact on guys like myself who
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were coming behind you guys in terms of you know,
I'm in high school and I'm watching you guys. That's
I mean, that was unheard of to be on the
East Coast and actually knowing really good ball players from
a Washington you know, that's how I got introduced to
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you know, pack pack football. So just give me a
memory on on on Jamie, because man, I have such
fun memories of watching him play, but you know, never
met him, never knew him, just just like the you know,
the player that he was.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Well, Jimi and I we came out of southern California.
He was from La came out of southern California round
in the same time, nineteen eighty eight, So we both
got to Washington the same year, along with Steve Atman
and Dave Hoffman and Mark Burnell and all those Daris
Turner and all those guys. We all came in the
same year. So that was our that was our freshman class.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
So that's how you say, Jimi, I've been calling him
Jamie so good. It's so good.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
It's a good thing.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
He was.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
He was a great guy. He was one of those.
Jimi was one of those guys that was silent, but
you knew about him because he walked in the room
and he just had this presence about him that everybody
sort of tried to gravitate make sure they know where
he is at all times. And I used to I
used to kid with him because I used to think
that he used to scare girls and give him his number,
give me a number, and okay, but I was a
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great guy, and yeah he was. It was a tragedy
to have some such a good guy in a in
a great athlete lost to such a young age.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Yeah, man, that's that's said. Man. He was a baller.
He was a ball aler, all right. So you mentioned
changing sides of the ball, going going into the trenches
on the other side, and then you go to the
pros and you were an All Pro, You were a
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pro bowler. You had a distinguished career as a pro. Absolutely,
just talk a little bit about what what that was
like and and if you were to give any you know,
words of wisdom as it applies to playing the game,
what went into your preparation to be what you ultimately
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ended up becoming an anchor, a star, wars for the
teams that you played on.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Well, you know this, this is like a preacher talking
to the choir because you've experienced it yourself. You know
how much the game changes when we go from the
collegiate level to the professional level, and how they don't
necessarily prepare you for it. They just kind of throw
you into the fire and let you figure it out.
You either sink or swim. So I don't have to
tell you you already know. But for me it became,
it came like this. I only had the pleasure of
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playing for two teams. Was originally drafted by the Falcons
in ninety three, and it was a different ownership. It
wasn't Arthur Blank was the Five Smiths back then, and
then ended up getting traded over to the Raiders. And
I'm so thankful that Al Davis came and got me
while he was still alive, because I was not having
a good time in Atlanta and I was not playing,
and my career probably would have been very different in
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Atlanta if it wasn't for the trade of the change.
And this is things that you know, I know, it's
sort of it's sort of customized these days with as
many people were changing teams and free agents and all
that stuff, and even the college.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Level, but it was it wasn't like that.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
That's exactly right back then. It then wasn't always you
know the plan to be or it's going to work out.
So that was a big It was a big step
for me. And when I got over to the other
side and I got over to the Raiders, was still
in Oakland, and I remember talking and having a conversation
with Al Davis and I said, and he said, now
that I'm here, I said, I'm going to be the player.
And he says, I know that you're capable of being
a player. Just get out there and show us. And
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so from that point of the war, I never looked
back because I never wanted to come off the football field.
That's how I was. And my goal when I first
started playing and said, you know what, I just threw
out a number. I said twelve because my birthday is
on the twelfth, and I was like, you know, twelve years.
If I can get twelve years, I got eleven. So
I came up one short. But no regrets, definitely, please.
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It's afforded me a lifestyle, it's sworded my career afterwards,
and I mean, I really can't complain about it. It was
a good career.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Let's talk about that before we get up out of here.
The post career to me, post life is it might
be more important. It's longer, for certain than what your
career is going to be. If you're blessed enough to
live long enough, your post career accolades are phenomenal as well.
(18:11):
You touched on it a little bit earlier in us talking,
but I want to revisit it. You leave the game,
you did you go straight into media? How did it?
How how did it work out? Talk to me about
career in terms of what how you decided to get
into doing media, But also talk to me about if
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you're doing anything that is community driven, because one of
the things that super super important for for me has
always been to be a person in that in my communities,
you know, serving my communities. I'm a military kid like yourself,
so I'm super active with the military. I'm into first
responders and and I'm into youth. You know, it's better
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to build them up than to try to fix them,
you know what I mean. So anyway, just talk to
me about that, because obviously you're a natural with how
you communicate. You don't sound like an athlete, yea, But
talk to me a little bit about how you got into,
you know, the profession, how has life been post football
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playing career?
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Well, prefacing the statement by saying this, you know what
I've come to realize. And I was also the chapter
president for the Retired Players chapter here in Phoenix, and
just some stuff back in the days of the representative.
But what I've come to realize the biggest challenge for
US athletes, especially if you spend any time on the
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professional level, is learn how to dwell and live without
the spotlight shining on you. Because you think about this,
LaVar and again, we came through it together. You go
through a big time program, everything's regimented. You are the star,
you are the cats me out, You go on to
the next level for a short time, you are the
cats me out. But you know, the game is only
for the people who are currently in the game. So
once you hang up your cleats, people are starting to
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forget a And it's been my experience that a lot
of guys don't know how to handle that, don't know
how to handle when the light goes off, don't know
how to handle that they're no longer the cats me out,
and I think that's why you just had you see
the statistics that you do in so many different ways
about broken families, divorces and stuff like that. So for me,
I didn't know the writing was on the wall until
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I actually decided to read it as far as going
into the media, because I had no idea what I
was going to do. I had said earlier I wanted
to play twelve years, my eleventh year, second to last
or third to the last game. I tore my tricep.
And when the doctor told me when he put his
put his finger in my arm, and when then and
went all the way to my bone, He's like, you
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tore your tricept. And I asked him how long was
that going to be? He's like, well, about six to
eight weeks. That's when I said, I'm retiring. I'm done.
I don't want to do it anymore. I don't want
to rehab anymore. I don't want to go through this anymore,
the games changing. I don't like these guys, A lot
of guys I'm playing with all this stuff. So I
didn't know what I was going to do, didn't have
any idea what I was going to do. I made
the mention that I was going to retire. You know,
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have my doubts whether or not they can regret it
if there was something I could do. But long story short,
the NFL network came approached me and they came with
a contract and they told me how much I can
make to do four days a week and talk football.
I was like, ship, excuse my language, right, yeah, hey,
that's how That's how the spirit moved exactly like I
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had that same offer at one point.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
So I know what you're talking about.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
So so you say the same way. So here we are.
Here is the thing. You know, we're young and in
my life we're in our thirties and you know, times
have change it and stuff like that. But it's like,
what are we going to do? And so I went
into it. Didn't I was going to feel about it.
Then I was going to like it or not like
it or whatever. But it started the journey to where
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I am today.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
That's awesome. And like you said, now you're doing sports
radio talk. How does that? It's very different than television
television structurally, it is very different formatically, it's very different.
How did you how how did you settle in Because
for me as well, I settled more in on radio
because of obviously creative freedoms that that you have more
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creative freedom, and and you're able to paint a picture
with what you say with your words instead of try
to give a an explanation as quickly as you possibly
can in some situations in TV. How how has it
been different for you and and how did how did
it settle in on I think you alluded to it
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that you know what you could talk about, But how
did it? How did it manifest for you to go
go sports radio?
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Well, it was it was it was sitting on the
principles of those very same freedoms that you spoke of.
I got tired of hearing executive directors and executive producers
saying that all Lincoln, I don't like the way you
and LeVar. Look, let's going to put you and let's
put LeVar in such and such together.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
For no reason.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
So, you know, here's the thing. And I told people
that was involved with in television back in the day,
I said, you know, when I was starting to play football,
we had to go to practice, we had to learn
to play as we had to learn how to play
with one another. You walk into this world of entertainment.
They give you a script. Sometimes they want to censor you.
Sometimes they tell you what they want you to say,
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and sometimes they don't. Other times than not, you're just
fending for your own A production meeting is your practice,
not a whole lot of preparation, you see. I need
a little bit more than that, And so not having that,
I mean, there was the possibility, I mean eventually grew
because this is back then when the Internet was just starting,
but now to where it's now, you have the access
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to the information all at your disposal. But I want
it more. I wanted more feedback. What can I do better?
What can I do more of? What should I be doing?
What should I be talking about? Am I too much?
Am I too little? Didn't get that lost its lower
TV lost its lore for me. Going into radio, I
had a little bit more time, and going into radio
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I could I could not only prepare more, but I
could build a certain chemistry that you can't get when
you're sitting next to somebody on a TV screen, A
chemistry that you get, like we're communicating now because you
have that banter, that conversation, that goes back and forth,
which promotes good radio.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Mm hmm. You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
It doesn't always promote good TV because people get impatient.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
They want a picture, they want to picture, yeah, they
want they want something moving, they want to moving video exactly.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
So you have that freedom with radio that you don't
have in TV, and that that was one of the
things that drove that drew me to it in all honesty,
and it also came to the realization that, look, TV
obviously pays more than radio. But you know what I'm okay,
I'm a humble man. I've got four kids that will
take you care of you know what I mean. I've
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got enough space around me. I don't need to be extravagant.
I don't need to shine. Do I like stuff? Absolutely
have I had nice stuff? Absolutely do I do it?
Do I need it?
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Don't need it? Right, No, I hear you, man. But
radio does, especially now, it does have its benefits to
being good at doing it. So certainly, all right, community service,
anything in particular that you represent before we let you
get up out of here.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Well, I own two restaurants. I have one here in Phoenix,
also at one in Vegas. We do Acasian seafood boil.
And I've always been a big foodie, as you can tell,
big as a house, big foodie guys, so food. I
have always equated with love and brings people together. I
have been working a little bit with my son's football teams.
My youngest son is in high school sophomore football team.
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Working a little bit with him, but not much taking
a step back. I want to let those guys do it,
and those people do their jobs. I'm not trying to
circumvent them. But other than that, and I had had
an insurance agency for a few years, kind of shut
that down, had a cigar business for a few years,
shut that down. I'm always dwelling in other things. So
there's nothing ever for sure. But as far as community,
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the extent of community goes with the NFF being on
a couple of boards deciding some of the people that
are coming in because that's a real big deal to me,
and program that effects the game around the country.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
That is awesome and you're awesome. And that's Lincoln Kennedy. Everybody,
the great Lincoln Kennedy and you know him as a
Washington Husky and most well known in league circles as
an Oakland, Las Vegas, y'all. That's right, Oakland greater. I
appreciate you coming on, man, taking a little time out
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for us. Any social media handles you want to throw
out there.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
L Kennedy seventy two is Twitter, Lincoln dot Kennedy dot
seventy two is Instagram. I'm not don't have a big
presence on social media. Haven't grown that far yet. But
you know, congratulations to you and your podcast and most important,
like I said earlier, you know, coming into the hall.
It's definitely glad good to have you. But I mean,
I really appreci shit you have me on your show, man,
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I really do.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Indeed. Man, hey, look here, the show got better, the
credibility got better, went up by having you on the show.
So appreciate you taking the.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Time link anytime, partner. I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
All right, y'all heard it here. That's Lincoln Kennedy. I'm
LeVar Arrington. This is good in the game. National Football Foundation.
Make sure you stay locked in. We'll catch you next week,
next show, next time. Be well, y'all,
I didn't really care about the accolades because I didn't
do for the accolades. I did it because I didn't
want to let my teammates down. When we talk about
the NFF, I strongly believe LeVar In College is an
opportunity for higher education. But the opportunity comes around. It's
rare for anybody to be stowed an opportunity for a
scholarship or an opportunity for an education at a higher level.
And something that the NFF has hell has calls very
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close to my endar my heart, is that it keeps
that level of an intensity and push on education, the
Maxwell Wards and all the other accolades. When I've seen
some of these football players with some of these GPAs
and some of these majors, my jaw just drops.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
What's up? Everybody's LeVar Arrington here? And on this edition
of Good in the Game, I bring on my guy.
One of the dopest dudes you'll ever meet. Super, super strong,
amazing football player on the football field, played for the
Washington Huskies, then was drafted ninth overall to uh WELL
(01:11):
in nineteen ninety three to the Atlanta Falcons. This dude
ends up in Oakland and had an amazing, amazing Pro Bowl,
All Pro career. But we're gonna talk about life as well.
So here we go, Lincoln Kennedy. That's right. Good in
the game, National Football Foundation, LeVar Arrington one two or
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was it three two? One? Bam? Here we go, big link,
Lincoln Kennedy. What like having you on the show and
talking to you about what's good in the game. I
gotta start off by asking, how has the game of
football impacted you? When you think of what's good in
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the game, what does Lincoln Kennedy think.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Of Well, I think of it as an opportunity for
you know, young men and women to be able to
get out of the inner the inner city, an opportunity
to get an education. That's what That's what football brought
to me. When I was young. Had no idea how
I was going to get out of the you know,
the backstreets to San Diego before I went on to college,
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and they know how I was going to afford it.
And then playing sports, Uh turned that around for me.
I was not a sports kid growing up. I was
involved with music and then it wasn't until my high
school coach saw me running around in high school and
told me that I was coming out for football. That
changed my life. So as far as the good of
the game goes, I think it provides opportunities for young
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men and women. And because football is growing, you see
in the flag football the women as part of is growing.
It's becoming more popular. That's why I'm including them in
the statement. But football, I think is a great game.
It's a team chemistry game that builds you for the future.
LeVar more importantly show you how to work together, which
you know, let's face it, that's what you need to
do in this world today.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
You are one of the more more most diverse dudes
I've met. You're you're polished, your You're able to communicate
in a way that that is very distinguished. I think
if you ask any of us within our football community,
you know who's one of the dudes you look to
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as like a role model and handles things the right way.
Your name is immediately one of the names that that
comes up. How how did you develop How did you
develop such a clear, distinctive way of basically impacting people
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through the way you communicate with them.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Well, first of all, thank you very nice, very nice
and kind words. I really appreciate it, especially coming from you.
And by the way, before I missed, but congratulations on
your recent induction into the College Football Hall of Fame.
Welcome to the family.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
I appreciate you know.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
I'm there with you. So yeah, most happened long overdoing.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
We're gonna get there.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Absolutely, we're gonna get to that. But I'm just saying
that before I forget, because sometimes these offers line memories
don't don't don't last me that long. So here's the
thing of our I My mother was an advocate of education,
or still is, and every day I saw her, she
would she would reward me with the same you know,
announcement every day. She's like, never stop learning. And so
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that was first and foremost. Secondly on something that disturbed me,
that bothered me a great deal as we were growing up,
is that people would constantly reflect to the color of
our skin being unable to communicate. And it bothered the
hell out of me, to be honest with you, brou
because I hate when somebody would say, well, you don't
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sound black, or I hate you're so well spoken.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
I mean, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
It's like because I cherished education because I know how
to communicate. Does that make me? It just I don't
necessarily think I'm special, but it just makes me a
slightly bit different. But you know the biggest thing for me,
LeVar is when as I was coming up playing this game,
I never wanted to be referred to as a football player.
I wanted to be referred to as a guy who
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played football. And there's a big difference. I'm more well
rounded and I'm more I like to experiment with things.
It's one of the reasons why I went into to
sports talk radio is because when I was working with
the NFL network four days a week, working with rich
Eisend and those guys, all we were doing is talking
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about football. They got boring, and it gets old, gets stale.
How many times you want to announce when Brett Favre
is going to retire? I don't know. You know what
I mean is what it is. But I say that
to say this. When I went into sports talk radio,
it allowed me to become more well rounded because it
forced me to study other sports. I had to study golf,
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I had to study NASCAR, I had to study tennis.
I didn't know anything of those sports. My first love
was basketball. Second level was football, So I had to
learn all those other sports. That was a challenge to me.
And then you know, the great John Matt and may
Rest and Piece told me when I first got into
the industry. He's like, you have to develop your own voice, Lincoln.
And what he meant by that is that everybody wants
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to talk behind the mic. Everybody wants to act like
they know what they're talking about. Football is not a
complex game. It's not something that people can't do. I mean,
anybody can do it if you can hold a conversation.
But you have to develop your voice. And that's what
I've been working on my career to do. Leavar.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
That is awesome, man. All Right, So you mentioned the NFF.
Obviously this is a National Football Foundation podcast that I'm doing.
Talk about your your connection with the NFF. You talked
about education that reflects a foundational piece of the National
Football Foundation, A real commitment to being great, that's a
(06:53):
foundational piece of the National Football Foundation. Just talk about
the National Football Foundation and it's represented and your you know,
well obviously that you showed them the hardware, but your
connection with the NFF and the National Football Foundation, College
Football Hall of Fame, well.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
I was stunned back in twenty fifteen when I got
the phone call about being inducted, and I actually thought.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
It was a joke.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
To be honest with you, I thought it was a joke.
I thought somebody was playing to joke on me, and
I couldn't believe it. But you know, the thing is
is that we both have had successful, you know, playing careers,
and then you know that success is measured everyone differently.
I measure success on being able to do it for
double digit years. I didn't really care about the accolades
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because I didn't do it for the accolades. I did
it because I didn't want to let my teammates down.
So I say that to say this when we talk
about the NFF and I'm part of a couple of
the committees and stuff like that. I strongly believe LeVar
in college is an opportunity for higher education, but it
doesn't necessarily apply to everyone. Everyone's not going to make
it in college and some people, you know, some people
(08:00):
have got to be refrigerator workers, some people have got
to be ditch triggers, and it's just the way the
thing is. But the opportunity comes around. It's rare for
anybody to be stowed an opportunity for a scholarship or
an opportunity for an education at a higher level. And
something that the NFF has hell has calls very close
to my dear my heart, is that it keeps that
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level of an intensity and push on education, the Maxwell
Wards and all the other accolades. When I'm seen some
of these football players with some of these GPAs and
some of these majors, my jaw just drops, like politically,
you know, biagradable science and getting a four point on
come on now there. But you know what I can
those those guys and those people able to do it.
(08:43):
So that's something the NFF has been near and dear
to me, building a relationship allowing it to grow. And
because I do care a lot about the game of football,
I want to see the future shine bright.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
I love that all right Now, I gotta throw this
one out at you. How did you end up in
sn Diego? You mentioned being in San Diego, but you
know I'm a PA guy, and you even know it's
the Eastern side. You was in York, Yes, they brought
you in this world in York. How did you end
up in York? And how did you end up in
San Diego? How did that work?
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Navy Bratt? My dad joined the military when I was young.
We moved out to San Diego when I was raised there.
I still got about three generations on both sides of
my family back in York, PA and Central PA. So
I do miss home. I do miss I do miss PA.
I try to get back there as often as possible.
But you know, hey, there's a lot, there's a lot
of big things that came out of PA when it
comes to football, especially Western PA. You know, you know
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that for sure. So yeah, it's a lot of rich history.
Just glad to be a part of it.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
That's awesome. Man. It shouts out to our military always
always love and respect for them. All right, So let's
talk about this. You end up on the West Coast,
you play ball. We can't we can't just talk about
life without going into your football career, because well, you
you were adult man, and literally and figuratively you were
(10:03):
a dog. You went to Washington, you played for the Huskies,
and and I gotta tell you when Napoleon Napoleon Kaufman
is the third fourth option running back on on a
dominant team such as yours, and in fact, Mark Burnell
(10:26):
is a backup on that team, and you got a
guy like Mark Brunner on that team. And man, you
guys had so many studs. You had Phil too. We'll
we'll touch on that one too. By the way, LB
one of my favorite LB's By the way, you you
have you have so many amazing ball players on one team,
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and there's Lincoln Kennedy on there as well. How how
was that experience for you? Like to be on such
an amaze that ends up on top.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
To be honest, bro, I didn't realize how good we were.
I mean, you got to understand something when I mean,
as I said earlier, I didn't grow up playing sports,
so I didn't I didn't know what was a good team,
what was a bad team. I mean, I know the
wins losses. I'm not stupid like that, but you know
that doesn't necessarily determine if it's a good team. You know,
wins losses, the records is. But I say this, You
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know I wanted to go to Washington because I wanted
to get out of California. I took a trip to
usc didn't care too much for it, took a trip
to UCLA, didn't cared for it. I didn't think I
could get in Stanford. Didn't think I could qualify for Stanford.
Cal didn't have a football program. I wasn't going to
be a duck. I wasn't going to be a Beaver.
And my first love was actually Michigan until I found
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out that they were just trying to recruit me to
put me on offensive line. They're gonna switch me offensive
line because I don't know if you know this, but
I was recruited as a yeah d line Yeah, yeah,
my my my favorite player watch and once I got
into football. The reason why I were in me too
is at two tall Jones from the Cowboys, because I
could relate with him. I was always taller with everybody else, right, Yeah,
so you know that was my sort of gauge to
(12:10):
what football was. And then the first year went to Washington,
my red shirt year eighty eight, I think we went
six and five. Couldn't beat anybody. Really. Don James came
in and had a team meeting and said we're changing
up everything. And he came to me and he says,
you can stay on defense, but you're probably not going
to play. There's an opportunity for you on offense. And
I went home and called my high school coach, John Shacoltt,
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who was my mentor back then, LeVar, and he knew
all about more about football than I did, so I
always relied on him. And he had played a little bit,
played a little bit in the league two and he said, look, Link,
if you go over to the offensive side, you know
one day you'll be a high draft choice and being
all Pro. And I was like really, and again not
knowing what I was into and not knowing how it was.
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My biggest thing, LeVar is I never want to let
my teammates down. So I always went out there with
the effort that I'm not going to get beat today
because you're You're not going to be my assignment that
gets to the ball carrier, the quarterback or anything like that.
So I think we and I think as a team
unanimously across the board, we did a lot of that.
That's one of the reasons why we're so successful.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
It was a special team, boy, I tell you that,
all right. And I and I mentioned Jamie Fields, dope
linebacker man. Such a tragic beast, tragic deal. You know,
he loses his life in a car accident. But man,
did he have an impact on guys like myself who
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were coming behind you guys in terms of you know,
I'm in high school and I'm watching you guys. That's
I mean, that was unheard of to be on the
East Coast and actually knowing really good ball players from
a Washington you know, that's how I got introduced to
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you know, pack pack football. So just give me a
memory on on on Jamie, because man, I have such
fun memories of watching him play, but you know, never
met him, never knew him, just just like the you know,
the player that he was.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Well, Jimi and I we came out of southern California.
He was from La came out of southern California round
in the same time, nineteen eighty eight, So we both
got to Washington the same year, along with Steve Atman
and Dave Hoffman and Mark Burnell and all those Daris
Turner and all those guys. We all came in the
same year. So that was our that was our freshman class.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
So that's how you say, Jimi, I've been calling him
Jamie so good. It's so good.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
It's a good thing.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
He was.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
He was a great guy. He was one of those.
Jimi was one of those guys that was silent, but
you knew about him because he walked in the room
and he just had this presence about him that everybody
sort of tried to gravitate make sure they know where
he is at all times. And I used to I
used to kid with him because I used to think
that he used to scare girls and give him his number,
give me a number, and okay, but I was a
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great guy, and yeah he was. It was a tragedy
to have some such a good guy in a in
a great athlete lost to such a young age.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Yeah, man, that's that's said. Man. He was a baller.
He was a ball aler, all right. So you mentioned
changing sides of the ball, going going into the trenches
on the other side, and then you go to the
pros and you were an All Pro, You were a
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pro bowler. You had a distinguished career as a pro. Absolutely,
just talk a little bit about what what that was
like and and if you were to give any you know,
words of wisdom as it applies to playing the game,
what went into your preparation to be what you ultimately
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ended up becoming an anchor, a star, wars for the
teams that you played on.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Well, you know this, this is like a preacher talking
to the choir because you've experienced it yourself. You know
how much the game changes when we go from the
collegiate level to the professional level, and how they don't
necessarily prepare you for it. They just kind of throw
you into the fire and let you figure it out.
You either sink or swim. So I don't have to
tell you you already know. But for me it became,
it came like this. I only had the pleasure of
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playing for two teams. Was originally drafted by the Falcons
in ninety three, and it was a different ownership. It
wasn't Arthur Blank was the Five Smiths back then, and
then ended up getting traded over to the Raiders. And
I'm so thankful that Al Davis came and got me
while he was still alive, because I was not having
a good time in Atlanta and I was not playing,
and my career probably would have been very different in
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Atlanta if it wasn't for the trade of the change.
And this is things that you know, I know, it's
sort of it's sort of customized these days with as
many people were changing teams and free agents and all
that stuff, and even the college.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Level, but it was it wasn't like that.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
That's exactly right back then. It then wasn't always you
know the plan to be or it's going to work out.
So that was a big It was a big step
for me. And when I got over to the other
side and I got over to the Raiders, was still
in Oakland, and I remember talking and having a conversation
with Al Davis and I said, and he said, now
that I'm here, I said, I'm going to be the player.
And he says, I know that you're capable of being
a player. Just get out there and show us. And
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so from that point of the war, I never looked
back because I never wanted to come off the football field.
That's how I was. And my goal when I first
started playing and said, you know what, I just threw
out a number. I said twelve because my birthday is
on the twelfth, and I was like, you know, twelve years.
If I can get twelve years, I got eleven. So
I came up one short. But no regrets, definitely, please.
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It's afforded me a lifestyle, it's sworded my career afterwards,
and I mean, I really can't complain about it. It was
a good career.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Let's talk about that before we get up out of here.
The post career to me, post life is it might
be more important. It's longer, for certain than what your
career is going to be. If you're blessed enough to
live long enough, your post career accolades are phenomenal as well.
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You touched on it a little bit earlier in us talking,
but I want to revisit it. You leave the game,
you did you go straight into media? How did it?
How how did it work out? Talk to me about
career in terms of what how you decided to get
into doing media, But also talk to me about if
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you're doing anything that is community driven, because one of
the things that super super important for for me has
always been to be a person in that in my communities,
you know, serving my communities. I'm a military kid like yourself,
so I'm super active with the military. I'm into first
responders and and I'm into youth. You know, it's better
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to build them up than to try to fix them,
you know what I mean. So anyway, just talk to
me about that, because obviously you're a natural with how
you communicate. You don't sound like an athlete, yea, But
talk to me a little bit about how you got into,
you know, the profession, how has life been post football
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playing career?
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Well, prefacing the statement by saying this, you know what
I've come to realize. And I was also the chapter
president for the Retired Players chapter here in Phoenix, and
just some stuff back in the days of the representative.
But what I've come to realize the biggest challenge for
US athletes, especially if you spend any time on the
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professional level, is learn how to dwell and live without
the spotlight shining on you. Because you think about this,
LaVar and again, we came through it together. You go
through a big time program, everything's regimented. You are the star,
you are the cats me out, You go on to
the next level for a short time, you are the
cats me out. But you know, the game is only
for the people who are currently in the game. So
once you hang up your cleats, people are starting to
(19:59):
forget a And it's been my experience that a lot
of guys don't know how to handle that, don't know
how to handle when the light goes off, don't know
how to handle that they're no longer the cats me out,
and I think that's why you just had you see
the statistics that you do in so many different ways
about broken families, divorces and stuff like that. So for me,
I didn't know the writing was on the wall until
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I actually decided to read it as far as going
into the media, because I had no idea what I
was going to do. I had said earlier I wanted
to play twelve years, my eleventh year, second to last
or third to the last game. I tore my tricep.
And when the doctor told me when he put his
put his finger in my arm, and when then and
went all the way to my bone, He's like, you
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tore your tricept. And I asked him how long was
that going to be? He's like, well, about six to
eight weeks. That's when I said, I'm retiring. I'm done.
I don't want to do it anymore. I don't want
to rehab anymore. I don't want to go through this anymore,
the games changing. I don't like these guys, A lot
of guys I'm playing with all this stuff. So I
didn't know what I was going to do, didn't have
any idea what I was going to do. I made
the mention that I was going to retire. You know,
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have my doubts whether or not they can regret it
if there was something I could do. But long story short,
the NFL network came approached me and they came with
a contract and they told me how much I can
make to do four days a week and talk football.
I was like, ship, excuse my language, right, yeah, hey,
that's how That's how the spirit moved exactly like I
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had that same offer at one point.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
So I know what you're talking about.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
So so you say the same way. So here we are.
Here is the thing. You know, we're young and in
my life we're in our thirties and you know, times
have change it and stuff like that. But it's like,
what are we going to do? And so I went
into it. Didn't I was going to feel about it.
Then I was going to like it or not like
it or whatever. But it started the journey to where
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I am today.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
That's awesome. And like you said, now you're doing sports
radio talk. How does that? It's very different than television
television structurally, it is very different formatically, it's very different.
How did you how how did you settle in Because
for me as well, I settled more in on radio
because of obviously creative freedoms that that you have more
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creative freedom, and and you're able to paint a picture
with what you say with your words instead of try
to give a an explanation as quickly as you possibly
can in some situations in TV. How how has it
been different for you and and how did how did
it settle in on I think you alluded to it
(22:35):
that you know what you could talk about, But how
did it? How did it manifest for you to go
go sports radio?
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Well, it was it was it was sitting on the
principles of those very same freedoms that you spoke of.
I got tired of hearing executive directors and executive producers
saying that all Lincoln, I don't like the way you
and LeVar. Look, let's going to put you and let's
put LeVar in such and such together.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
For no reason.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
So, you know, here's the thing. And I told people
that was involved with in television back in the day,
I said, you know, when I was starting to play football,
we had to go to practice, we had to learn
to play as we had to learn how to play
with one another. You walk into this world of entertainment.
They give you a script. Sometimes they want to censor you.
Sometimes they tell you what they want you to say,
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and sometimes they don't. Other times than not, you're just
fending for your own A production meeting is your practice,
not a whole lot of preparation, you see. I need
a little bit more than that, And so not having that,
I mean, there was the possibility, I mean eventually grew
because this is back then when the Internet was just starting,
but now to where it's now, you have the access
(23:40):
to the information all at your disposal. But I want
it more. I wanted more feedback. What can I do better?
What can I do more of? What should I be doing?
What should I be talking about? Am I too much?
Am I too little? Didn't get that lost its lower
TV lost its lore for me. Going into radio, I
had a little bit more time, and going into radio
(24:03):
I could I could not only prepare more, but I
could build a certain chemistry that you can't get when
you're sitting next to somebody on a TV screen, A
chemistry that you get, like we're communicating now because you
have that banter, that conversation, that goes back and forth,
which promotes good radio.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Mm hmm. You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
It doesn't always promote good TV because people get impatient.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
They want a picture, they want to picture, yeah, they
want they want something moving, they want to moving video exactly.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
So you have that freedom with radio that you don't
have in TV, and that that was one of the
things that drove that drew me to it in all honesty,
and it also came to the realization that, look, TV
obviously pays more than radio. But you know what I'm okay,
I'm a humble man. I've got four kids that will
take you care of you know what I mean. I've
(24:54):
got enough space around me. I don't need to be extravagant.
I don't need to shine. Do I like stuff? Absolutely
have I had nice stuff? Absolutely do I do it?
Do I need it?
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Don't need it? Right, No, I hear you, man. But
radio does, especially now, it does have its benefits to
being good at doing it. So certainly, all right, community service,
anything in particular that you represent before we let you
get up out of here.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Well, I own two restaurants. I have one here in Phoenix,
also at one in Vegas. We do Acasian seafood boil.
And I've always been a big foodie, as you can tell,
big as a house, big foodie guys, so food. I
have always equated with love and brings people together. I
have been working a little bit with my son's football teams.
My youngest son is in high school sophomore football team.
(25:43):
Working a little bit with him, but not much taking
a step back. I want to let those guys do it,
and those people do their jobs. I'm not trying to
circumvent them. But other than that, and I had had
an insurance agency for a few years, kind of shut
that down, had a cigar business for a few years,
shut that down. I'm always dwelling in other things. So
there's nothing ever for sure. But as far as community,
(26:03):
the extent of community goes with the NFF being on
a couple of boards deciding some of the people that
are coming in because that's a real big deal to me,
and program that effects the game around the country.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
That is awesome and you're awesome. And that's Lincoln Kennedy. Everybody,
the great Lincoln Kennedy and you know him as a
Washington Husky and most well known in league circles as
an Oakland, Las Vegas, y'all. That's right, Oakland greater. I
appreciate you coming on, man, taking a little time out
(26:35):
for us. Any social media handles you want to throw
out there.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
L Kennedy seventy two is Twitter, Lincoln dot Kennedy dot
seventy two is Instagram. I'm not don't have a big
presence on social media. Haven't grown that far yet. But
you know, congratulations to you and your podcast and most important,
like I said earlier, you know, coming into the hall.
It's definitely glad good to have you. But I mean,
I really appreci shit you have me on your show, man,
(27:01):
I really do.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Indeed. Man, hey, look here, the show got better, the
credibility got better, went up by having you on the show.
So appreciate you taking the.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Time link anytime, partner. I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
All right, y'all heard it here. That's Lincoln Kennedy. I'm
LeVar Arrington. This is good in the game. National Football Foundation.
Make sure you stay locked in. We'll catch you next week,
next show, next time. Be well, y'all,
Hosts And Creators
Brady Quinn
LaVar Arrington
Jonas Knox
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