June 23, 2025 • 39 mins
Kevin Durant's complicated career heads to Houston. The College Football offseason has become a turnoff thanks to legalities surrounding NIL, the transfer portal and more! Plus, tales from Vegas on the FSR IR.
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Throne something like that.
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I mean it is officially summertime. Maybe, uh rega, winter
is coming. They were too far away from Winter is
coming to play a game of Thrones. Yeah that's true. Yeah,
it was always cold in that show.
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It is always cold summer all like that. Yeah, I
never got warmed up. So well, there's some warming up
that goes on.
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o'clock Pacific. Obviously, the big story in the world of
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sports last night was the conclusion of the NBA Playoffs. Congratulations, Uh,
the NBA finally got everything wrapped up. It just took
a shade just a little bit over two months, a
little bit over two months, two months at a week
for the NBA to finally, you know, conclude their playoff format.
And the Oklahoma City Thunder are the world champions. You've
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made mention of this, you know. One of the former
Oklahoma City Thunder representatives, a guy who took the team
or helped take the team to the finals years ago,
was Kevin Durant. And it's appropriate that Kevin Durant, on
the day that Okase finally did win an NBA championship,
finds himself yet again on another franchise and another team
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as the trade was completed yesterday or it's not. It
can't be official until you know they're able to, you know,
do it through the league when the league year starts
and all that. But here's the details on the trade
that will eventually become official. The Suns are trading Kevin
Durant to the Rockets for Jalen Green, Dylan Brooks, the
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number ten overall pick in this year's draft, and five
second round picks. That's a lot. That's a lot, But
Durant is still a great player. What's interesting is he's
also going to be thirty seven when the league starts,
and when the season starts coming up.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
That's a lot too.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
He's listen, he's still playing at a very high level.
But what's interesting is that he did talk about the
deal and the trade getting completed. He was at fanatics Fest.
He spoke with k Adams while at Fanatics Fest in
New York and had this to say, No.
Speaker 5 (03:30):
When people could just hang your career in the balance
like that and just choose what they want to do
with your careers and ner record feeling, but being able
to kind of dictate what you want to do and
then being with a team that values you and I'm
looking forward.
Speaker 6 (03:42):
To it having people are going to hold on to
that dictate what you want to do.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Did you have a handle it?
Speaker 5 (03:47):
Most definitely all right. I mean they actually get where
I wanted to go some of my destinations. I gave
it to him.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Man, here we are.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
So Kevin Durant basically used a little bit of stroke
get his way and to get out of Phoenix and
now he's a member of the Houston Rockets. Should be noted. Listen,
this is an upgrade for Houston. Obviously if you watch
them in the postseason this year, they needed a legitimate score.
It makes a lot of sense for them. They did
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give up a lot, but they needed that scoring presence.
Durant will provide that at least for the next couple
of years, you hope, if he stays healthy. And he
does have a very good relationship with im Udoka, who
was with him in Brooklyn and then was also part
of a team USA. So Kevin Durant is now a
member of the Houston Rockets.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
You know. The first question to me is what happened
in Phoenix That was supposed to be a good destination
for KD after leaving the situation in Brooklyn, because Brooklyn
was supposed to be a great situation for KD. It
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just seems like now it's it's hard.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
For me.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
It's it's hard to look at a player who becomes
such a journeyman as how do you how do you
find a way to value you know, to value them,
you know, based upon their leaving teams as much as
he has, and you know, the conversation surrounding KD was
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as gifted and as talented as he was a player
coming into the league. Again, they weren't able to get
it done in OKAC And that's a young, spry Kevin Durant,
you know, a young a young you know, James Harden,
a young Westbrook. Like it's it's like, how do you
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not get it done? But then he goes to Golden
State into a winner, an already champion, an already winner,
and then that's when you saw him shine maybe the
most ever in his career. Possibly. I mean you could say, okay,
see just didn't win, but I think that coming out
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of maybe some of those those those championship rounds in
Golden State, you were able to look at KD as Okay,
this is the KD we've been waiting for. This is
the KD we've been looking for. But how many times
have we seen that outside of Golden State? And okay, see,
you know it was kind of a debate. Did he
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defer to Russell Westbrook at the wrong times during the season,
you know, in the in the playoffs, in those championship
runs that they were trying to make. Did he defer
too much? Then he gets to a team where you
got to say, okay, well he might have been the
best player on the team, but it was still nonetheless
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Steph Curry's team.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
After that, I mean, you thought that it would be
Brooklyn that's his team. But it did not work out
in Brooklyn and not listen, health had to do with
some of it, but it just didn't work out. Now
he goes to Phoenix. How can that end? You got Booker,
you got some good talent there. That doesn't work So
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now he's going to a different team. I just as
brilliant as he's been as a basketball player, I still
feel as though his career path has almost in a
way been somewhat maybe a tabit of a contradiction of
how brilliant he has been looked at and then revered
as an elite player.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
You used a term that I think applies here that
normally wouldn't apply to a great player like this, journeyman.
Like normally journeymen are just and on, you know, signing
one year deals, just trying to trying to keep the
career going with whoever will give you an opportunity. Kevin
Durant is one of the greatest basketball players of all time,
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of all time. Unbelievable talent, unbelievable player. He's got the championships,
He's got the finals, MVPs. He was the best player
on the court in an NBA Finals multiple times over,
and that was in NBA Finals that featured Lebron James
and Steph Curry. He was the best player on the floor.
And yet his career really is like a journeyman and
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he wants it that way. And I don't know if
that diminishes his career. I just think it makes his
career different from maybe anybody we've seen to where it's
really interesting, like even Lebron. Lebron you know, was in Cleveland.
He goes to Miami and then he comes back to Cleveland.
Now he's like you can almost kind of understand that pass.
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Kevin Durant is all over the place like he was
drafted by Seattle. That's how long he's been in the
NBA for. Yes, he was drafted by the Seattle Supersonic.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
I don't count that because that's still.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
Okase I know, but it just I think it adds
another wrinkle to a really interesting career to where he's
one of the best players of all time and just
unapologetic about the fact that, look, if I want to
move around or if I want to go someplace, I'm
going to go someplace. He had to wear it from
Oklahoma City fans because a lot of people thought what
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he did was weak. I personally didn't. He chose to
go and pair up with Golden State. I didn't have
a problem with it. I think a lot of people
at the time thought, well, that's kind of a soft move.
You know, you don't join the team that just beat you.
I don't know who makes those rules, but he wanted
to do it. He joined Golden State. It worked, and
they probably would have won another title had he not
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gotten hurt in that series against Toronto, So it's not
too I don't know if it diminishes it. I guess
that's you know all you know, that's subjective to everybody,
but you used the term, and I think it's the
perfect term that we never hear for a player of
this statue, and it's the or the statue rather that
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he's a journeyman yet an all time grade.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
It happens, though, it does happen. I mean, first name
that comes to mind when I think of it as Dion.
You know, he left Atlanta to go get it in
with you know, the forty nine ers.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
Good call, you know, Yeah, then he.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Left the forty nine ers to go get it in
with Dallas. You know, it wasn't like that. You know,
they might have been missing that piece and he was
that piece. But I mean you're talking about teams that were,
you know, loaded with talent that Prime was going to.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
So that was.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
They were great, great, great decisions for him, great moves
for him in his career, because you know, he wasn't
going to get that Super Bowl in in Atlanta. It
wasn't gonna happen. I mean, they're still trying to get
a Super Bowl, so damn well they are. I mean
they've made appearances since then, but they haven't won one.
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So I'm just saying that it wasn't going to happen
in Atlanta. It did happen for him in in San
fran it did happen for him in you know, Dallas.
Then he went to Washington, you know, and then he
went to Baltimore. So I mean, it does happen with
some of the greats of all time. And that's even
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a different sport. I mean, there's there's plenty of names
you could pull out of a hat, you know, for
NBA players as well. But I just again, I don't
question Kadi's brilliant as a ballplayer, not one, not one iota.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
I don't. I don't question it.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
But it does make you wonder, you know, in terms
of how many teams he's traveled to, and you know
how it hasn't worked out in any other place. It
worked out one time for him. Now I just didn't
understand why I didn't have more, It didn't have more takeoff,
more launch in Phoenix. Now you start to question yourself,
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like is he getting to that place or at that
point in his career where you got to start to
ask yourself the same question we're talking about when we're
speaking on Lebron. You know, is it the twilight of
his career? And what does that look like? You know,
how do we feel about KD today as a football player?
I think, I mean as a basketball player, I think
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those questions now become a little bit louder, you know,
as it applies to Kevin Durant.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
I mean, this is this his last stop? Will there be?
Speaker 1 (12:50):
How many more teams will there be? How many more stops?
Where will there be? When it doesn't work out where
you went? You know, So that's an interesting question. But
he did decide to stay in the West, which was
interesting because it's and it's very competitive in the West.
So I thought that was pretty interesting that the trade
took place. He said he was a part of making
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that trade take place, and he stays in the West,
which is arguably way harder than the East.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
What a wild career man like? His career scene just
about every thing you could possibly like. Don't forget speaking
of the Achilles that Tyrese Haliburton suffered and Jason Tatum.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
And Lillard is out too.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
Yeah, Durant blew his out, missed an entire season, and
the people point to him as being an example of Hey,
if you suffer the injury, you can still come back
and be a great player. Because he's been fantastic ever
since he's come back, Like, you know, he's still averaging
close to twenty seven a game. I mean, he can
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score whenever he wants, Like he's still that type of player.
But he is thirty seven, and you know, he's got
a lot of miles on him, and he's now finding
himself on another team. They're championship ods increased or you know,
significantly in favor of Houston maybe making a run of
this whole thing. So for at least a couple of
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years that windows open in Houston. It's another team that
adds another layer of talent and competition to the Western Conference,
as you pointed out. But it's just I wonder how
he's going to be viewed at the end of this
whole thing based on let's just say he doesn't want
a title in Houston. Still a great player, but doesn't
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want to title in Houston. It's almost as if the
championships and the MVPs in the finals are a backdrop
to a really complicated journey in his career.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Like I don't know how many ps on his resume,
and that's that's critical, and that's crucial to how he
will be discussed. I mean, he's easily a Hall of Fame.
He's easily, like you said, one of the greatest players.
He's in the greatest players conversation. Where you put him
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is up to you, but he is, in the conversation
one of the most prolific scores to to ever play
the game. So you know, you just you know, sports
are decentralized anymore, and you know what, the fan in
a lot of ways has been decentralized, and I think
in some cases you see that it's decentralized with players
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as well. You know, some players get in and they
get out, and it seems like it's more it's more
doable in the NBA because there's a little bit more
flexibility and a little bit more back and forth and
a little control, you know, in favor of the athlete
and the player versus it being the franchise. So it
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just seems like you can leverage a soft tissue injury
into being traded to a different team, you know, low
management your way into another team. You know, you don't
get to do that in the NFL, like they don't
they don't handle trades and different things. They don't handle
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it that way. It's not kind of handled the same
way it is in the NBA.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
So I mean, he's probably gonna end up he's eighth
right now all time and scoring, probably gonna end up
in you know, top five all time and scoring, depending
on you know, how much longer he plays like. He's
an all time great player. Great nickname too. Durantula was
easy sniper, easy sniper?
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Is it?
Speaker 4 (16:39):
Uh? Is it easy sniper?
Speaker 3 (16:42):
I thought it was an easy sniper?
Speaker 4 (16:43):
Let me see. Oh, so I do have all the
names here? Can we? Do you have any? Just some
game show music so we can rattle off all the
nicknames for Kevin durand this courtesy of Basketball Reference. Durantula,
KD KD, slim reaper, slim reaper, easy money sniper, easy
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money sniper, the servant, and green room green room. Yeah, okay,
not to be confused with the green door in Las Vegas.
Look that up on your own time if anybody is interested.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
They missed one? What was the one you just said? Again?
Speaker 4 (17:25):
We said, is there no?
Speaker 2 (17:27):
No?
Speaker 3 (17:27):
What did you say?
Speaker 5 (17:28):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (17:29):
Lee?
Speaker 4 (17:30):
Well? Uh?
Speaker 3 (17:31):
Slim reapers, slim reaper. Oh, that was there, that was there.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
I haven't heard the servant or green room before, never
heard those. That feels fraudulent.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
But the servant is kind of funny though. I mean,
he's serving people. It's funny, you know. I got an
opportunity to watch him play and Bury Farms shots out
the mouths and all of all of them.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
In Southeast.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Barry Farms League, the summer league basketball league in DC.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Used to go there quite a bit. Big deal. But
getting to see.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Him play against like other guys like you know, Lawrence
Moten and all like legendary dudes from from the area
playing out there, that's pretty cool to watch them. And
let me tell you something, the trash talk and the
intensity of competition in them street basketball games be pretty fire, man,
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and be pretty fire. One thing about KD that I
learned when I was watching him at Barry Farms, he
takes that as seriously every single time he gets on
the court. He don't take it for granted. It ain't like, oh,
I'm in a street ball game, let me joke around.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
Ha ha.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
That's that new.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
That man is out there. They call him the Slim
Reaper for a reason. That man is out there trying
to take lives. It has crazy. It smelled like weat
a whole bunch of people having a good time. Smelled
like food, you know, they cooking the food. You got
the music going, you got mouths on the microphone, like
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talking about the game.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
KD. Wasn't out there playing around, bro.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
So I would fit right in and basically yeah, oh.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Yeah, oh yeah, especially if you were hanging upside down
from like, you know.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
Top of the you know the pole that goes up
and holds the room.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
Damn, they'd be like, look, man, there's Dracula. Dracula. N
By the way, I was walking now that you mentioned
that I was. I went to Universal Studios with the
fan on Saturday, and I walked by a guy who
was dressed as Dracula.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
And he was like, oh my god.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
Like he like he asked me, how did you get
that look that? I almost took a picture to send
it to you guys. No, he did not.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
I almost took a picture about to say that is hilarious.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
I was going to take a picture to send to
you guys, because obviously he's powdered up to be part
of the part of the costumes, same same complexion, same everything. Say,
we went at six thirty in the evening, I still
had to put sun block on and I'm not making
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that up. Hey, man, is what it is? You see
the Jaws memorabilia. Yeah, that was everywhere, Yeah, everywhere, fiftieth anniversary,
that's why you went.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
Yeah, Well, good for you.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
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Speaker 4 (21:09):
Why are you asking me?
Speaker 3 (21:13):
I don't know, damn.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
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sports radio. So there was more noise out of the
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world of college football, if you will. Over the weekend,
there was this lawsuit from Wisconsin. In court documents obtained
by Yahoo Sports, the University of Wisconsin filed a first
of its kind lawsuit against the University of Miami, alleging
the Hurricanes poached a player who was under a revenue
sharing agreement with the Badgers.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Uh oh uh oh.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
Now, you know, I mean, it's just it's another layer
in the ongoing. Oh, there's that that we've got to
also think about when it comes to nil and all
the other things that go along with college football. And
I know you and Brady had, you know, spoke about
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this stuff like, hey man, there's gonna be things that
pop up that people haven't even considered.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
Not of yet.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
Yeah, and it just seems one of them. Yeah, there's
one of them. Here we go.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
Again, you know, when.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Again, now that you're we're getting into a contract age
for these college athletes, like when you hear the first
thing I think about when I hear a haitline like
that is now it has to make sense that these
young men have have representation, you know, in order to
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understand what it is that they're entering into. When they
sign pieces of papers, sign contracts, agree to deals, what
that represents. And it's curious because what is that going
to represent for the schools moving forward or the schools
because contracts have been that's always been a part of scholarships, right,
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Scholarship is a contract that you get to play for
that school and it's a year to year deal. It
actually has to be renewed. You have to sign for
your scholarship every single year. I wonder with something like this,
you know surfacing, how does that How does that play
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a part in eligibility if any how does that play
a part? And again, if it's a legitimate claim, like Okay,
well you signed the contract, that's it for the next
two years. Let's just say you're going to be a
part of this. You're going to do this now. As
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that's connected to the university, I don't believe they can
connect it to the university. I wish Q was here
to shed some light on it, but I don't think.
I don't think you can say we're in a revenue
sharing situation with the athlete as the university, and so
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you can't take our kid away from us and give
them a better deal or recruit them away from our school.
I'm not sure how that, you know, I could see
the collective being able to say we're suing based upon
your commitment to the amount of appearances we've sold. Like
I said, if they've sold events, tickets, or you know,
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whatever it may be that they we're promising by leveraging
the athlete. Now the athlete isn't there anymore. Now that
creates a problem with the people who paid money. Like again,
what if it was several events that this young man
is supposed to make appearance, Is that you've already sold
tickets to it ahead of time, boom boom boom, but
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the kid ends up transferring. So I don't know, I
don't it's it's it's so many ways that things could
go wrong now with how these you know, these contracts
are being done, these agreements are being done with the
college athlete that it almost seems as though you have
to have somebody a lawyer, a legal lawyer, or an
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agent that can understand it and explain it to the
kid and his family as to what it is that
they're making a commitment to do exactly.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
And that's this is my big issue. With it, and
it's not so much of an issue. I just missed
college football. That's I miss just college football because now
it's legalities, it's conference commit And we've talked about this
with Petros a little bit, and it was and I've
just thought about this more and more, especially this offseason,
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that the entire college football offseason is about which conference
commissioner wants to gas up his conference and blow hearted
up to talk about how they deserve this automatic qualifying bid,
Which nil agreement was, what happened here? Which players being
recruited here? Who's it just it's like constant, seemingly nothing
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really to do with college football other than the legalities
of college football. It just it's become so business oriented
that it's kind of a turnoff, to be honest with you.
And it doesn't mean that I'm not going to watch
it when it comes around. Obviously, it's the second biggest
sport in the country. Sorry to NBA fanboys out there,
it just is. But it just feels like the discussions
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are less about the actual college football and what these
teams are going to look like and the seasons right
around the corner, and now it's more about nil transfer portal,
automatic qualifiers, conference and playoff that you know by all
these other things that come up. And this was never
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like that before, where the good old days was like,
hey man, somebody might have gotten a few bucks. I
don't know, do you see anything? Nope, I didn't see anything.
How about you? It just felt like it was like
I could kind of understand that, and I could wrap
my brain around it. This stuff. It's like you've got
to have a law degree to be able to figure
out who's in violation, who's not, what's going to happen here.
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It just I don't know, man, I just missed the
way that it was before. And I understand that this
is the evolution and you know, a daft or die
approach or mentality when it comes to all this. I
just feel like there's a lot of people that are
exhausted with these constant conversations around college football. Now.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Well, I think though, you got to be able to
compartmentalize what it is that you're speaking on. Right, If
you miss the old days of how they just play football,
then just pay attention to how they play football. Because
what I will say is now that money is on
the line, guys are fighting to get money now versus
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fighting to get the opportunity to make money, which means
in a lot of ways, you're probably going to see
better football. You're going to see guys laying it out
on the line more as if they couldn't you know already.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
You know, it's.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
I think you're going to see people really really putting
it out there so that they can raise their value.
And now they know that there is there's money on
the other side of them performing where where they are.
I just think that again. I just had a conversation,
you know, I was in State College all last week
and had a great conversation with coach Franklin. It's still
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it's still college football. It's not paid to play. It's
still not paid for play. It's still not paid for play.
These guys are getting paid through appearances, They're getting paid
through the you know, through the collectives. And now the
house versus the NCAAA has passed. So now the universities
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are now able to justify being able to pay the
students direct through doing pretty much the same things that
they're already doing. And it has to be approved and
clear by a committee as to if the duties that
they are are delivering are legit. But I think that
more structure is to come and they're going to have
(29:56):
to continue to provide the resources to these kids and
these families as to what these contracts, what they look like,
what these packages look like. Four star, five star athletes
coming out of high school, they're getting offered packages to
go to the schools that they're going to. You know,
if you're an All American, if you're an award winner,
(30:18):
if you're a guy that's coming back, that's a highly
rated guy that's going to go in the draft, and
you're projecting that way, you have to have a package
that you're presenting to them that shows what their compensation
is going to be and what they.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Have to do, what the deliverables are.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
So understanding like what the deliverables were in that contract
that this kid that transferred to Miami had clearly maybe
he did. Maybe they didn't see where it said that
you have to fulfill these obligations or whatever it may be,
and if you don't, then they may be on the
(30:58):
hook for having to pay for what the entity that
did to deal with the kid. You know, what they
lost that they might be able to recoup that, But
I don't think you're going to be able to prevent
the kid from leaving the school based upon that contract,
because I don't think that contract is through the school.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
But if save for.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
Some reasons, some way, somehow, there was a contract sign
with the school that had something to do with what
what was it?
Speaker 3 (31:25):
Revenue sharing?
Speaker 4 (31:26):
You said it, just like let me find the exact.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Yeah, because I wouldn't. I wouldn't think that it would
have came through the school. Are you sure it's the
school or is it the collective?
Speaker 4 (31:36):
The Hurricanes poached a player who was under a revenue
ing a revenue sharing agreement with the Badgers?
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Is just the terminology there? The Badgers not. They did
say the university.
Speaker 4 (31:47):
That's what they are. The University of Wisconsin filed a
first of its kind lawsuit.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
The university fouled it again. But I would be curious
to know what the details are. They don't specify the.
Speaker 4 (31:58):
Details of what because there's there's speculation about who the
player is and all that. But it's just the larger
point is these are all like, all of this stuff
feels like it should have been sorted out and figured
out before everybody jumped the gun and decided hey, let's
start paying players. It's just the rulings.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
That's why everybody's you know, coming down on the NCAAA
so hard. It's the rulings that are sending sending things
out there to say, now the kids can get paid.
Because the NCAA has never worked to put the systems
in place to be able to handle this type of
approach to the game.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
And that's what that again, that's where all.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Of the intensity of scrutiny and like this this was
a a monopoly on on you know, athletics at the
college level. They never felt like they needed to have
this type of structure in place to be prepared to
handle this this type of situation playing out.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
So now what do you do?
Speaker 1 (33:05):
They have no idea what to do, and people are
scrambling and it's like you're learning as you go because
you don't you've never been here before.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
There's no comps.
Speaker 4 (33:14):
It's almost like planning a camping trip and you get
out there, you're like, all right, what are we eating?
Oh oh yeah, we didn't think about that part. Yeah
we gotta yeah, you actually gotta like make a fire
do it. Just there was so much that it felt
like needed to get done before they jumped the gun
to get involved.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
Is now again, they should have been proactively been taking
the information, putting the information together, and having something ready
to go once they if they were to ever get
to this point.
Speaker 4 (33:47):
I mean the part that I get a kick that
we've talked about with you and the you and Brady
kind of filled me in on that I didn't realize
was a real thing. Were the fake agents? Oh yeah,
the people that aren't actually agents. They are trying to
Oh yeah, wait what.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
And they are in the game and they are keeping
these kids from going to the schools that they want
to go to because their representation is taking what they
believe is the better monetary deal.
Speaker 4 (34:17):
They're not they're not agents.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
But they're not agents.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
They are.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
They are because they're representing the kid and it's allowed
because there's no rules that state that you have to
be certified to be able to represent this kid, because
there's no structure in place.
Speaker 4 (34:36):
Say I'm a doctor, I put a band aid on
my kids toe yesterday, Sweet.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
Universities, I don't. I don't have the details.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
I would like to know the details of the deal
and as to why Wisconsin is suing, But what I
will say, is is, as we get deeper and deeper
down this rabbit hole, we heard the conversation about there
won't be any walk on you know, moving forward, that's
going to go away.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
I would assume.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
That you're going to have to start trimming down the
rosters all together, you know, because of the amount of
money that's involved with what's going on. I would assume
that you're not going to be able to carry a
hundred man you know, one hundred man roster. It's going
to have to be cut down somewhere in and around
the you know, the numbers that they're using at.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
The pro level.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
I would assume, just based upon the amount of money
that some of these kids are demanding and trying to
figure out the structure of how you're going to pay
all of these players, and how that pay is is
fair and what it comes from, you know, I would
assume at some point you're going to be able to
sign a deal with the school to attend the school,
(35:48):
and that's going to be your contract. I wonder if
it's going to be a duration of time, like you
got to sign this contract for four years or whatever
it may be. But I mean, if you think about it,
how many kids are going to be bussed. That's the
problem here. A lot of these kids are not going
to turn out to be the type of player that
you recruited into your program. So what do you do
(36:10):
if you're locked into Just like now, they're suing the
Badgers are suing. These kids can start suing the universities
basically saying, you know, whatever it may have been based
upon what may or may not happen.
Speaker 4 (36:23):
With their career they're at the school.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Yeah, it's a slippery slope and it's so many things
that have to be figured out because there is no comps.
This is a first of its kind movement at the
college level, and there's going to be a lot of
growing pains that have to take place along the way.
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Speaker 6 (38:09):
Yeah, I was sinking today, Jonas. I needed to take
a minute to meditate and try to remember all of
this weekend shenanigans because it's it's pretty blurry.
Speaker 4 (38:19):
Did you guys get pretty banged up at the pool? Yeah?
I guess over the week.
Speaker 6 (38:25):
Yeah, and drinks were just flowing, you know, lemon drop
after lemon drop, after pina colada, after shot after shot
after shot.
Speaker 3 (38:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (38:34):
Now did you just happen to be out there?
Speaker 2 (38:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (38:38):
I actually had this trip planned months before I knew
this was even happening.
Speaker 4 (38:41):
Okay, So who from Fox Sports Radio was the most
banged up by the pool? For Codino and riches by
the pool? Oh, that's hard to say.
Speaker 6 (38:52):
At night though, nighttime there was a swingers party happening
at the top of the penthouse that the big party
is happening it on the floor, We're like, where are
these people dressed like this? We're all drunk as skunks
and everyone's just getting hit on.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
We're like, what is happens to everyone?
Speaker 6 (39:08):
Literally everyone was.
Speaker 3 (39:09):
Getting I'm saying, who's everyone you were with?
Speaker 6 (39:12):
Let's see, Oh my gosh, you know, the whole crew,
the whole crew.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (39:19):
Everyone was there.
Speaker 3 (39:20):
I mean, you happen to be there? You just please?
You just happened to be there.
Speaker 4 (39:25):
So I know, I was like, Wow, how sir? Indipident
how many?
Speaker 3 (39:29):
How many other people that were there just happened to
be there for for.
Speaker 6 (39:33):
I think everyone else was intentional. Oh wow, so much
fun though, no regrets.
Speaker 4 (39:39):
I do it again. Let's go to Vegas.
Speaker 6 (39:40):
Let's Oh geez, you're always invited.
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It's time and it never gets old to me, but
I'm gonna change it. What do you think you're gonna
pull out?
Speaker 3 (00:51):
I got an.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
Idea, Yeah, yeah, I got an idea, a game of
Throne something like that.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
No, I'm going to different directions.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
I mean it is officially summertime. Maybe, uh rega, winter
is coming. They were too far away from Winter is
coming to play a game of Thrones. Yeah that's true. Yeah,
it was always cold in that show.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
It is always cold summer all like that. Yeah, I
never got warmed up. So well, there's some warming up
that goes on.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
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o'clock Pacific. Obviously, the big story in the world of
(01:46):
sports last night was the conclusion of the NBA Playoffs. Congratulations, Uh,
the NBA finally got everything wrapped up. It just took
a shade just a little bit over two months, a
little bit over two months, two months at a week
for the NBA to finally, you know, conclude their playoff format.
And the Oklahoma City Thunder are the world champions. You've
(02:10):
made mention of this, you know. One of the former
Oklahoma City Thunder representatives, a guy who took the team
or helped take the team to the finals years ago,
was Kevin Durant. And it's appropriate that Kevin Durant, on
the day that Okase finally did win an NBA championship,
finds himself yet again on another franchise and another team
(02:31):
as the trade was completed yesterday or it's not. It
can't be official until you know they're able to, you know,
do it through the league when the league year starts
and all that. But here's the details on the trade
that will eventually become official. The Suns are trading Kevin
Durant to the Rockets for Jalen Green, Dylan Brooks, the
(02:52):
number ten overall pick in this year's draft, and five
second round picks. That's a lot. That's a lot, But
Durant is still a great player. What's interesting is he's
also going to be thirty seven when the league starts,
and when the season starts coming up.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
That's a lot too.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
He's listen, he's still playing at a very high level.
But what's interesting is that he did talk about the
deal and the trade getting completed. He was at fanatics Fest.
He spoke with k Adams while at Fanatics Fest in
New York and had this to say, No.
Speaker 5 (03:30):
When people could just hang your career in the balance
like that and just choose what they want to do
with your careers and ner record feeling, but being able
to kind of dictate what you want to do and
then being with a team that values you and I'm
looking forward.
Speaker 6 (03:42):
To it having people are going to hold on to
that dictate what you want to do.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Did you have a handle it?
Speaker 5 (03:47):
Most definitely all right. I mean they actually get where
I wanted to go some of my destinations. I gave
it to him.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Man, here we are.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
So Kevin Durant basically used a little bit of stroke
get his way and to get out of Phoenix and
now he's a member of the Houston Rockets. Should be noted. Listen,
this is an upgrade for Houston. Obviously if you watch
them in the postseason this year, they needed a legitimate score.
It makes a lot of sense for them. They did
(04:15):
give up a lot, but they needed that scoring presence.
Durant will provide that at least for the next couple
of years, you hope, if he stays healthy. And he
does have a very good relationship with im Udoka, who
was with him in Brooklyn and then was also part
of a team USA. So Kevin Durant is now a
member of the Houston Rockets.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
You know. The first question to me is what happened
in Phoenix That was supposed to be a good destination
for KD after leaving the situation in Brooklyn, because Brooklyn
was supposed to be a great situation for KD. It
(04:58):
just seems like now it's it's hard.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
For me.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
It's it's hard to look at a player who becomes
such a journeyman as how do you how do you
find a way to value you know, to value them,
you know, based upon their leaving teams as much as
he has, and you know, the conversation surrounding KD was
(05:31):
as gifted and as talented as he was a player
coming into the league. Again, they weren't able to get
it done in OKAC And that's a young, spry Kevin Durant,
you know, a young a young you know, James Harden,
a young Westbrook. Like it's it's like, how do you
(05:54):
not get it done? But then he goes to Golden
State into a winner, an already champion, an already winner,
and then that's when you saw him shine maybe the
most ever in his career. Possibly. I mean you could say, okay,
see just didn't win, but I think that coming out
(06:16):
of maybe some of those those those championship rounds in
Golden State, you were able to look at KD as Okay,
this is the KD we've been waiting for. This is
the KD we've been looking for. But how many times
have we seen that outside of Golden State? And okay, see,
you know it was kind of a debate. Did he
(06:40):
defer to Russell Westbrook at the wrong times during the season,
you know, in the in the playoffs, in those championship
runs that they were trying to make. Did he defer
too much? Then he gets to a team where you
got to say, okay, well he might have been the
best player on the team, but it was still nonetheless
(07:02):
Steph Curry's team.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
After that, I mean, you thought that it would be
Brooklyn that's his team. But it did not work out
in Brooklyn and not listen, health had to do with
some of it, but it just didn't work out. Now
he goes to Phoenix. How can that end? You got Booker,
you got some good talent there. That doesn't work So
(07:27):
now he's going to a different team. I just as
brilliant as he's been as a basketball player, I still
feel as though his career path has almost in a
way been somewhat maybe a tabit of a contradiction of
how brilliant he has been looked at and then revered
as an elite player.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
You used a term that I think applies here that
normally wouldn't apply to a great player like this, journeyman.
Like normally journeymen are just and on, you know, signing
one year deals, just trying to trying to keep the
career going with whoever will give you an opportunity. Kevin
Durant is one of the greatest basketball players of all time,
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of all time. Unbelievable talent, unbelievable player. He's got the championships,
He's got the finals, MVPs. He was the best player
on the court in an NBA Finals multiple times over,
and that was in NBA Finals that featured Lebron James
and Steph Curry. He was the best player on the floor.
And yet his career really is like a journeyman and
(08:36):
he wants it that way. And I don't know if
that diminishes his career. I just think it makes his
career different from maybe anybody we've seen to where it's
really interesting, like even Lebron. Lebron you know, was in Cleveland.
He goes to Miami and then he comes back to Cleveland.
Now he's like you can almost kind of understand that pass.
(09:01):
Kevin Durant is all over the place like he was
drafted by Seattle. That's how long he's been in the
NBA for. Yes, he was drafted by the Seattle Supersonic.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
I don't count that because that's still.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
Okase I know, but it just I think it adds
another wrinkle to a really interesting career to where he's
one of the best players of all time and just
unapologetic about the fact that, look, if I want to
move around or if I want to go someplace, I'm
going to go someplace. He had to wear it from
Oklahoma City fans because a lot of people thought what
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he did was weak. I personally didn't. He chose to
go and pair up with Golden State. I didn't have
a problem with it. I think a lot of people
at the time thought, well, that's kind of a soft move.
You know, you don't join the team that just beat you.
I don't know who makes those rules, but he wanted
to do it. He joined Golden State. It worked, and
they probably would have won another title had he not
(09:57):
gotten hurt in that series against Toronto, So it's not
too I don't know if it diminishes it. I guess
that's you know all you know, that's subjective to everybody,
but you used the term, and I think it's the
perfect term that we never hear for a player of
this statue, and it's the or the statue rather that
(10:19):
he's a journeyman yet an all time grade.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
It happens, though, it does happen. I mean, first name
that comes to mind when I think of it as Dion.
You know, he left Atlanta to go get it in
with you know, the forty nine ers.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
Good call, you know, Yeah, then he.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Left the forty nine ers to go get it in
with Dallas. You know, it wasn't like that. You know,
they might have been missing that piece and he was
that piece. But I mean you're talking about teams that were,
you know, loaded with talent that Prime was going to.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
So that was.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
They were great, great, great decisions for him, great moves
for him in his career, because you know, he wasn't
going to get that Super Bowl in in Atlanta. It
wasn't gonna happen. I mean, they're still trying to get
a Super Bowl, so damn well they are. I mean
they've made appearances since then, but they haven't won one.
(11:15):
So I'm just saying that it wasn't going to happen
in Atlanta. It did happen for him in in San
fran it did happen for him in you know, Dallas.
Then he went to Washington, you know, and then he
went to Baltimore. So I mean, it does happen with
some of the greats of all time. And that's even
(11:38):
a different sport. I mean, there's there's plenty of names
you could pull out of a hat, you know, for
NBA players as well. But I just again, I don't
question Kadi's brilliant as a ballplayer, not one, not one iota.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
I don't. I don't question it.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
But it does make you wonder, you know, in terms
of how many teams he's traveled to, and you know
how it hasn't worked out in any other place. It
worked out one time for him. Now I just didn't
understand why I didn't have more, It didn't have more takeoff,
more launch in Phoenix. Now you start to question yourself,
(12:19):
like is he getting to that place or at that
point in his career where you got to start to
ask yourself the same question we're talking about when we're
speaking on Lebron. You know, is it the twilight of
his career? And what does that look like? You know,
how do we feel about KD today as a football player?
I think, I mean as a basketball player, I think
(12:40):
those questions now become a little bit louder, you know,
as it applies to Kevin Durant.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
I mean, this is this his last stop? Will there be?
Speaker 1 (12:50):
How many more teams will there be? How many more stops?
Where will there be? When it doesn't work out where
you went? You know, So that's an interesting question. But
he did decide to stay in the West, which was
interesting because it's and it's very competitive in the West.
So I thought that was pretty interesting that the trade
took place. He said he was a part of making
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that trade take place, and he stays in the West,
which is arguably way harder than the East.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
What a wild career man like? His career scene just
about every thing you could possibly like. Don't forget speaking
of the Achilles that Tyrese Haliburton suffered and Jason Tatum.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
And Lillard is out too.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
Yeah, Durant blew his out, missed an entire season, and
the people point to him as being an example of Hey,
if you suffer the injury, you can still come back
and be a great player. Because he's been fantastic ever
since he's come back, Like, you know, he's still averaging
close to twenty seven a game. I mean, he can
(13:53):
score whenever he wants, Like he's still that type of player.
But he is thirty seven, and you know, he's got
a lot of miles on him, and he's now finding
himself on another team. They're championship ods increased or you know,
significantly in favor of Houston maybe making a run of
this whole thing. So for at least a couple of
(14:13):
years that windows open in Houston. It's another team that
adds another layer of talent and competition to the Western Conference,
as you pointed out. But it's just I wonder how
he's going to be viewed at the end of this
whole thing based on let's just say he doesn't want
a title in Houston. Still a great player, but doesn't
(14:34):
want to title in Houston. It's almost as if the
championships and the MVPs in the finals are a backdrop
to a really complicated journey in his career.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Like I don't know how many ps on his resume,
and that's that's critical, and that's crucial to how he
will be discussed. I mean, he's easily a Hall of Fame.
He's easily, like you said, one of the greatest players.
He's in the greatest players conversation. Where you put him
(15:08):
is up to you, but he is, in the conversation
one of the most prolific scores to to ever play
the game. So you know, you just you know, sports
are decentralized anymore, and you know what, the fan in
a lot of ways has been decentralized, and I think
in some cases you see that it's decentralized with players
(15:32):
as well. You know, some players get in and they
get out, and it seems like it's more it's more
doable in the NBA because there's a little bit more
flexibility and a little bit more back and forth and
a little control, you know, in favor of the athlete
and the player versus it being the franchise. So it
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just seems like you can leverage a soft tissue injury
into being traded to a different team, you know, low
management your way into another team. You know, you don't
get to do that in the NFL, like they don't
they don't handle trades and different things. They don't handle
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it that way. It's not kind of handled the same
way it is in the NBA.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
So I mean, he's probably gonna end up he's eighth
right now all time and scoring, probably gonna end up
in you know, top five all time and scoring, depending
on you know, how much longer he plays like. He's
an all time great player. Great nickname too. Durantula was
easy sniper, easy sniper?
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Is it?
Speaker 4 (16:39):
Uh? Is it easy sniper?
Speaker 3 (16:42):
I thought it was an easy sniper?
Speaker 4 (16:43):
Let me see. Oh, so I do have all the
names here? Can we? Do you have any? Just some
game show music so we can rattle off all the
nicknames for Kevin durand this courtesy of Basketball Reference. Durantula,
KD KD, slim reaper, slim reaper, easy money sniper, easy
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money sniper, the servant, and green room green room. Yeah, okay,
not to be confused with the green door in Las Vegas.
Look that up on your own time if anybody is interested.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
They missed one? What was the one you just said? Again?
Speaker 4 (17:25):
We said, is there no?
Speaker 2 (17:27):
No?
Speaker 3 (17:27):
What did you say?
Speaker 5 (17:28):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (17:29):
Lee?
Speaker 4 (17:30):
Well? Uh?
Speaker 3 (17:31):
Slim reapers, slim reaper. Oh, that was there, that was there.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
I haven't heard the servant or green room before, never
heard those. That feels fraudulent.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
But the servant is kind of funny though. I mean,
he's serving people. It's funny, you know. I got an
opportunity to watch him play and Bury Farms shots out
the mouths and all of all of them.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
In Southeast.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Barry Farms League, the summer league basketball league in DC.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Used to go there quite a bit. Big deal. But
getting to see.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Him play against like other guys like you know, Lawrence
Moten and all like legendary dudes from from the area
playing out there, that's pretty cool to watch them. And
let me tell you something, the trash talk and the
intensity of competition in them street basketball games be pretty fire, man,
(18:34):
and be pretty fire. One thing about KD that I
learned when I was watching him at Barry Farms, he
takes that as seriously every single time he gets on
the court. He don't take it for granted. It ain't like, oh,
I'm in a street ball game, let me joke around.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
Ha ha.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
That's that new.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
That man is out there. They call him the Slim
Reaper for a reason. That man is out there trying
to take lives. It has crazy. It smelled like weat
a whole bunch of people having a good time. Smelled
like food, you know, they cooking the food. You got
the music going, you got mouths on the microphone, like
(19:14):
talking about the game.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
KD. Wasn't out there playing around, bro.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
So I would fit right in and basically yeah, oh.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Yeah, oh yeah, especially if you were hanging upside down
from like, you know.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
Top of the you know the pole that goes up
and holds the room.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
Damn, they'd be like, look, man, there's Dracula. Dracula. N
By the way, I was walking now that you mentioned
that I was. I went to Universal Studios with the
fan on Saturday, and I walked by a guy who
was dressed as Dracula.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
And he was like, oh my god.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
Like he like he asked me, how did you get
that look that? I almost took a picture to send
it to you guys. No, he did not.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
I almost took a picture about to say that is hilarious.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
I was going to take a picture to send to
you guys, because obviously he's powdered up to be part
of the part of the costumes, same same complexion, same everything. Say,
we went at six thirty in the evening, I still
had to put sun block on and I'm not making
(20:26):
that up. Hey, man, is what it is? You see
the Jaws memorabilia. Yeah, that was everywhere, Yeah, everywhere, fiftieth anniversary,
that's why you went.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
Yeah, Well, good for you.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
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Speaker 4 (21:09):
Why are you asking me?
Speaker 3 (21:13):
I don't know, damn.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
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sports radio. So there was more noise out of the
(21:36):
world of college football, if you will. Over the weekend,
there was this lawsuit from Wisconsin. In court documents obtained
by Yahoo Sports, the University of Wisconsin filed a first
of its kind lawsuit against the University of Miami, alleging
the Hurricanes poached a player who was under a revenue
sharing agreement with the Badgers.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Uh oh uh oh.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
Now, you know, I mean, it's just it's another layer
in the ongoing. Oh, there's that that we've got to
also think about when it comes to nil and all
the other things that go along with college football. And
I know you and Brady had, you know, spoke about
(22:21):
this stuff like, hey man, there's gonna be things that
pop up that people haven't even considered.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
Not of yet.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
Yeah, and it just seems one of them. Yeah, there's
one of them. Here we go.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
Again, you know, when.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Again, now that you're we're getting into a contract age
for these college athletes, like when you hear the first
thing I think about when I hear a haitline like
that is now it has to make sense that these
young men have have representation, you know, in order to
(23:01):
understand what it is that they're entering into. When they
sign pieces of papers, sign contracts, agree to deals, what
that represents. And it's curious because what is that going
to represent for the schools moving forward or the schools
because contracts have been that's always been a part of scholarships, right,
(23:24):
Scholarship is a contract that you get to play for
that school and it's a year to year deal. It
actually has to be renewed. You have to sign for
your scholarship every single year. I wonder with something like this,
you know surfacing, how does that How does that play
(23:48):
a part in eligibility if any how does that play
a part? And again, if it's a legitimate claim, like Okay,
well you signed the contract, that's it for the next
two years. Let's just say you're going to be a
part of this. You're going to do this now. As
(24:10):
that's connected to the university, I don't believe they can
connect it to the university. I wish Q was here
to shed some light on it, but I don't think.
I don't think you can say we're in a revenue
sharing situation with the athlete as the university, and so
(24:32):
you can't take our kid away from us and give
them a better deal or recruit them away from our school.
I'm not sure how that, you know, I could see
the collective being able to say we're suing based upon
your commitment to the amount of appearances we've sold. Like
I said, if they've sold events, tickets, or you know,
(24:57):
whatever it may be that they we're promising by leveraging
the athlete. Now the athlete isn't there anymore. Now that
creates a problem with the people who paid money. Like again,
what if it was several events that this young man
is supposed to make appearance, Is that you've already sold
tickets to it ahead of time, boom boom boom, but
(25:18):
the kid ends up transferring. So I don't know, I
don't it's it's it's so many ways that things could
go wrong now with how these you know, these contracts
are being done, these agreements are being done with the
college athlete that it almost seems as though you have
to have somebody a lawyer, a legal lawyer, or an
(25:43):
agent that can understand it and explain it to the
kid and his family as to what it is that
they're making a commitment to do exactly.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
And that's this is my big issue. With it, and
it's not so much of an issue. I just missed
college football. That's I miss just college football because now
it's legalities, it's conference commit And we've talked about this
with Petros a little bit, and it was and I've
just thought about this more and more, especially this offseason,
(26:17):
that the entire college football offseason is about which conference
commissioner wants to gas up his conference and blow hearted
up to talk about how they deserve this automatic qualifying bid,
Which nil agreement was, what happened here? Which players being
recruited here? Who's it just it's like constant, seemingly nothing
(26:43):
really to do with college football other than the legalities
of college football. It just it's become so business oriented
that it's kind of a turnoff, to be honest with you.
And it doesn't mean that I'm not going to watch
it when it comes around. Obviously, it's the second biggest
sport in the country. Sorry to NBA fanboys out there,
it just is. But it just feels like the discussions
(27:07):
are less about the actual college football and what these
teams are going to look like and the seasons right
around the corner, and now it's more about nil transfer portal,
automatic qualifiers, conference and playoff that you know by all
these other things that come up. And this was never
(27:27):
like that before, where the good old days was like,
hey man, somebody might have gotten a few bucks. I
don't know, do you see anything? Nope, I didn't see anything.
How about you? It just felt like it was like
I could kind of understand that, and I could wrap
my brain around it. This stuff. It's like you've got
to have a law degree to be able to figure
out who's in violation, who's not, what's going to happen here.
(27:49):
It just I don't know, man, I just missed the
way that it was before. And I understand that this
is the evolution and you know, a daft or die
approach or mentality when it comes to all this. I
just feel like there's a lot of people that are
exhausted with these constant conversations around college football. Now.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Well, I think though, you got to be able to
compartmentalize what it is that you're speaking on. Right, If
you miss the old days of how they just play football,
then just pay attention to how they play football. Because
what I will say is now that money is on
the line, guys are fighting to get money now versus
(28:29):
fighting to get the opportunity to make money, which means
in a lot of ways, you're probably going to see
better football. You're going to see guys laying it out
on the line more as if they couldn't you know already.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
You know, it's.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
I think you're going to see people really really putting
it out there so that they can raise their value.
And now they know that there is there's money on
the other side of them performing where where they are.
I just think that again. I just had a conversation,
you know, I was in State College all last week
and had a great conversation with coach Franklin. It's still
(29:11):
it's still college football. It's not paid to play. It's
still not paid for play. It's still not paid for play.
These guys are getting paid through appearances, They're getting paid
through the you know, through the collectives. And now the
house versus the NCAAA has passed. So now the universities
(29:33):
are now able to justify being able to pay the
students direct through doing pretty much the same things that
they're already doing. And it has to be approved and
clear by a committee as to if the duties that
they are are delivering are legit. But I think that
more structure is to come and they're going to have
(29:56):
to continue to provide the resources to these kids and
these families as to what these contracts, what they look like,
what these packages look like. Four star, five star athletes
coming out of high school, they're getting offered packages to
go to the schools that they're going to. You know,
if you're an All American, if you're an award winner,
(30:18):
if you're a guy that's coming back, that's a highly
rated guy that's going to go in the draft, and
you're projecting that way, you have to have a package
that you're presenting to them that shows what their compensation
is going to be and what they.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Have to do, what the deliverables are.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
So understanding like what the deliverables were in that contract
that this kid that transferred to Miami had clearly maybe
he did. Maybe they didn't see where it said that
you have to fulfill these obligations or whatever it may be,
and if you don't, then they may be on the
(30:58):
hook for having to pay for what the entity that
did to deal with the kid. You know, what they
lost that they might be able to recoup that, But
I don't think you're going to be able to prevent
the kid from leaving the school based upon that contract,
because I don't think that contract is through the school.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
But if save for.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
Some reasons, some way, somehow, there was a contract sign
with the school that had something to do with what
what was it?
Speaker 3 (31:25):
Revenue sharing?
Speaker 4 (31:26):
You said it, just like let me find the exact.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Yeah, because I wouldn't. I wouldn't think that it would
have came through the school. Are you sure it's the
school or is it the collective?
Speaker 4 (31:36):
The Hurricanes poached a player who was under a revenue
ing a revenue sharing agreement with the Badgers?
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Is just the terminology there? The Badgers not. They did
say the university.
Speaker 4 (31:47):
That's what they are. The University of Wisconsin filed a
first of its kind lawsuit.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
The university fouled it again. But I would be curious
to know what the details are. They don't specify the.
Speaker 4 (31:58):
Details of what because there's there's speculation about who the
player is and all that. But it's just the larger
point is these are all like, all of this stuff
feels like it should have been sorted out and figured
out before everybody jumped the gun and decided hey, let's
start paying players. It's just the rulings.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
That's why everybody's you know, coming down on the NCAAA
so hard. It's the rulings that are sending sending things
out there to say, now the kids can get paid.
Because the NCAA has never worked to put the systems
in place to be able to handle this type of
approach to the game.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
And that's what that again, that's where all.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Of the intensity of scrutiny and like this this was
a a monopoly on on you know, athletics at the
college level. They never felt like they needed to have
this type of structure in place to be prepared to
handle this this type of situation playing out.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
So now what do you do?
Speaker 1 (33:05):
They have no idea what to do, and people are
scrambling and it's like you're learning as you go because
you don't you've never been here before.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
There's no comps.
Speaker 4 (33:14):
It's almost like planning a camping trip and you get
out there, you're like, all right, what are we eating?
Oh oh yeah, we didn't think about that part. Yeah
we gotta yeah, you actually gotta like make a fire
do it. Just there was so much that it felt
like needed to get done before they jumped the gun
to get involved.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
Is now again, they should have been proactively been taking
the information, putting the information together, and having something ready
to go once they if they were to ever get
to this point.
Speaker 4 (33:47):
I mean the part that I get a kick that
we've talked about with you and the you and Brady
kind of filled me in on that I didn't realize
was a real thing. Were the fake agents? Oh yeah,
the people that aren't actually agents. They are trying to
Oh yeah, wait what.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
And they are in the game and they are keeping
these kids from going to the schools that they want
to go to because their representation is taking what they
believe is the better monetary deal.
Speaker 4 (34:17):
They're not they're not agents.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
But they're not agents.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
They are.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
They are because they're representing the kid and it's allowed
because there's no rules that state that you have to
be certified to be able to represent this kid, because
there's no structure in place.
Speaker 4 (34:36):
Say I'm a doctor, I put a band aid on
my kids toe yesterday, Sweet.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
Universities, I don't. I don't have the details.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
I would like to know the details of the deal
and as to why Wisconsin is suing, But what I
will say, is is, as we get deeper and deeper
down this rabbit hole, we heard the conversation about there
won't be any walk on you know, moving forward, that's
going to go away.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
I would assume.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
That you're going to have to start trimming down the
rosters all together, you know, because of the amount of
money that's involved with what's going on. I would assume
that you're not going to be able to carry a
hundred man you know, one hundred man roster. It's going
to have to be cut down somewhere in and around
the you know, the numbers that they're using at.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
The pro level.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
I would assume, just based upon the amount of money
that some of these kids are demanding and trying to
figure out the structure of how you're going to pay
all of these players, and how that pay is is
fair and what it comes from, you know, I would
assume at some point you're going to be able to
sign a deal with the school to attend the school,
(35:48):
and that's going to be your contract. I wonder if
it's going to be a duration of time, like you
got to sign this contract for four years or whatever
it may be. But I mean, if you think about it,
how many kids are going to be bussed. That's the
problem here. A lot of these kids are not going
to turn out to be the type of player that
you recruited into your program. So what do you do
(36:10):
if you're locked into Just like now, they're suing the
Badgers are suing. These kids can start suing the universities
basically saying, you know, whatever it may have been based
upon what may or may not happen.
Speaker 4 (36:23):
With their career they're at the school.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Yeah, it's a slippery slope and it's so many things
that have to be figured out because there is no comps.
This is a first of its kind movement at the
college level, and there's going to be a lot of
growing pains that have to take place along the way.
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Speaker 4 (38:04):
All right, Lorena, come on, come on.
Speaker 6 (38:09):
Yeah, I was sinking today, Jonas. I needed to take
a minute to meditate and try to remember all of
this weekend shenanigans because it's it's pretty blurry.
Speaker 4 (38:19):
Did you guys get pretty banged up at the pool? Yeah?
I guess over the week.
Speaker 6 (38:25):
Yeah, and drinks were just flowing, you know, lemon drop
after lemon drop, after pina colada, after shot after shot
after shot.
Speaker 3 (38:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (38:34):
Now did you just happen to be out there?
Speaker 2 (38:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (38:38):
I actually had this trip planned months before I knew
this was even happening.
Speaker 4 (38:41):
Okay, So who from Fox Sports Radio was the most
banged up by the pool? For Codino and riches by
the pool? Oh, that's hard to say.
Speaker 6 (38:52):
At night though, nighttime there was a swingers party happening
at the top of the penthouse that the big party
is happening it on the floor, We're like, where are
these people dressed like this? We're all drunk as skunks
and everyone's just getting hit on.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
We're like, what is happens to everyone?
Speaker 6 (39:08):
Literally everyone was.
Speaker 3 (39:09):
Getting I'm saying, who's everyone you were with?
Speaker 6 (39:12):
Let's see, Oh my gosh, you know, the whole crew,
the whole crew.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (39:19):
Everyone was there.
Speaker 3 (39:20):
I mean, you happen to be there? You just please?
You just happened to be there.
Speaker 4 (39:25):
So I know, I was like, Wow, how sir? Indipident
how many?
Speaker 3 (39:29):
How many other people that were there just happened to
be there for for.
Speaker 6 (39:33):
I think everyone else was intentional. Oh wow, so much
fun though, no regrets.
Speaker 4 (39:39):
I do it again. Let's go to Vegas.
Speaker 6 (39:40):
Let's Oh geez, you're always invited.
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