Best of 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe

Monday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, the Thunder beat the Pacers in Game 7 of the Finals, but Shai Gilgeous-Alexander is still not a “top-tier” name. Caleb Williams does his best to keep the Packers-Bears rivalry relevant. Fox Sports Radio Injury Expert, Dr. David Chao breaks down the risks Tyrese Haliburton knew about before entering Game 7 and seemingly tearing his Achilles.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is the best of two pros and a couple
Joe with Lamar Aarings and rating Win and Jonas Knox
on Fox Furs Radio.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
It is black and drack here on this Monday morning.
That's gotta be racist all the way up until nine
am Eastern time, six o'clock Pacific. And congratulations are in
order to the Oklahoma City Thunder a game seven. It took,
but a game seven got them their first ever NBA Championship.

(00:35):
Congratulations to the OKAC Thunder and their fan base on
the NBA Finals win. And I know a lot of
discussion about what could have been if not for the
injury to Tyrese Haliburton.

Speaker 3 (00:49):
Well, they got off to a quick start, and that
should be noted that it looked like it was going
to be a pretty compell final game. Haliburton unfortunately, you know,
hurts his lower leg. Obviously, it was clearly an achilles

(01:10):
rupture that that took place. You could see it in
the replay that the NBA showed a hundred million times
in slow motion, by the way, so once he went out,
it's interesting the Pacers actually outscored the the OKC Thunder

(01:32):
in the second quarter.

Speaker 4 (01:34):
They actually outscored them.

Speaker 3 (01:36):
The the undoing of the Indiana Pacers was the sloppy
play in the third quarter, the amount of turnovers in
the third quarter, the lack of offensive continuity and rhythm
in the third quarter was to me what the undoing was.
I mean, topping Obie got his opportunity to get in

(01:59):
there and play, he did nothing. You know, he did nothing,
contributed nothing on the offensive side of the ball. Miles Turner, everybody, Well,
that's just the truth. And you would have thought that
they would have had possibly a little bit of an
advantage just because of the athleticism and empower that Obie

(02:24):
top And was showing.

Speaker 4 (02:25):
And then you know, Miles.

Speaker 3 (02:26):
Turner was one who was able to get the three
ball going, was able to show a little bit of
versatility on the offensive side of the board on the ball,
and he just couldn't find it. Another note, by the way,
that should be added into the undoing was second chance
opportunities and in some cases third chance opportunities for Oka see,

(02:51):
which says to me, you're getting out hustled. You know,
the couple times that they had really really bad offensive sequences,
it was because guys were staring or collapsing down to
the ball. They weren't moving around, they weren't keeping the spacing,
they weren't making it a difficult, you know, proposition to
defend them, and o case, he thunder took advantage of it.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
Yeah, it's game completely changed. It felt like the way,
especially with Haliburton's start, that we were going to get
one of those classic epic game seven's, and you saw
the road team come out fired up, and you just thought, man,
this is something that's going to go down to the wire.
And what's crazy is we're so educated on achilles injuries

(03:38):
now from the standpoint that everybody can recognize it in
real time when it happens. And I don't know when
that change happened or when that change occurred, but it
feels like we all know what that looks like.

Speaker 3 (03:51):
When TV cameras became HD, yeah, you know, you know
you could put stuff in slow motion the way that
they do.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
But even even seeing his reaction action on the floor,
you knew, like you just knew it was the same thing.

Speaker 3 (04:04):
It was interesting that the media or the people announcing
the game, like, why are you dancing over it? It's
like people that you're interviewing like you talk to his
dad or whatever it may be. I think somebody even
on call, you know, calling the game, actually ended up
saying it. It was like just say, he ruptured as

(04:24):
achilles tendon. Like I know, you didn't have the official
word on it, and it was something the kind of
waiting until they tell you officially, but you could have.
You could have immediately speculated the idea that you could
tell by the way it looked that it was it
was a ruptured achilles.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
Yeah. I mean, I just think we all know in
watching it what that looks like now, and so we
don't need to be well, it's a it's a lower
leg injury. Well clearly, clearly it's not an upper leg injury.
Clearly it's not an upper body injury. Tyres Alton. And
you can almost see the trainer whoever came over to him,

(05:05):
I think, asked him did you feel it pop? And
he just kind of was screaming I did, I did,
And you just knew that was it.

Speaker 4 (05:12):
That was over.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
And the worst part is, you know, not only is
it over for that game in that series, it's probably
over for all the next year too. That's a that
is a brutal I mean, you would know a.

Speaker 3 (05:23):
Lot office one these days. You know, acls used to
be career killers. Achilles tendons, they weren't career killers. But
it just all depended on how you adjusted and adapted
to the new the new leg, the new lower leg
that you would have after the surgery. And it took

(05:46):
a really, really long time to be able to come back.
But at one point achilles were actually probably a career
a career ender or career alterer. And those were the two.
You know everything else MCLs, pcls, you know, meniscus, those
things seemed to be more minor, but you tore it

(06:07):
out a interior cruciate ligament that was a career ender.
And let me tell you something, the Achilles tendon is
the biggest tendon in your body. That thing, when it goes,
it is one of the most absolute painful deals you'll
ever deal with.

Speaker 5 (06:27):
Man.

Speaker 4 (06:28):
It is that.

Speaker 3 (06:30):
I mean, I'm a grown man and I have a
pretty high pain tolerance.

Speaker 4 (06:34):
It had me.

Speaker 3 (06:35):
Crying like tears, like not like oh it hurts, but
more like how Denzel was standing there when he was
getting whipped in glory and not one tear came out
his eye and it just went real slow down his
face like that type of pain, man, Yeah, that type
of pain you don't want.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
Yeah, it's I mean, it definitely changed how we viewed
that game and what the I guess the recap and
the storyline of that game would be. But nonetheless, I mean,
there's a lot on the injury that we're going to
get into throughout the course of the show. But you
got to give your flowers to SGA, Shay, Gilgess, Alexander,
who did speak afterwards just about their mindset, the win,

(07:18):
how they feel about the team, and what they could
possibly accomplish moving forward.

Speaker 6 (07:22):
We definitely still have room to grow, and that's the
fun part of this. So many of us can still
get better.

Speaker 4 (07:28):
Third row.

Speaker 6 (07:30):
It's not very many of us on the team that
are quote unquote in our prime or even close to it.
So we have a lot of room to grow individually
and as a group. And I'm excited for the future
of this team. But this is a great start for sure.
Couldn't imagine it any other way.

Speaker 2 (07:44):
That's a brilliant year that he just finished off. Yes
in Oklahoma City, I mean.

Speaker 3 (07:49):
Basically enough to thrust him into being one of the
names that is mentioned as as you know, as a name.
It's it's interesting, and I know that might sound like
a crazy take, but it just seems as though when

(08:10):
you talk about the names that are still driving the game,
SGA's name comes up. But do you now lead off
with SGA's name after this series, after this season, MVP season,
MVP of the playoffs, you know, or the finals? Does
this does this now propel you know, SGA into that

(08:35):
conversation of being one of the main names, not not
after you give out the main names. Then he comes
right after you give out the Lebron James or the
Steph Curry's or the Kevin Durantz like those eras seemingly
are now concluding and you need those young stars to

(08:57):
step in. I mean, we've talked about Jannis at, We've
talked about Jason Tatum, even even Jalen Brown. We've talked
about them more than we've talked about it SGA. And
maybe it's because of the the you know, the markets
that they're in, you know, but these are these are
names that have come up. You know, Joe l Embiid

(09:19):
and he hasn't even really you know, been too much
since since the MVP year. But I just wonder does
this series does this year? Does the OKC Thunder season
thrust not only SGA into the main conversation of one
of the main players in the NBA, and and what

(09:40):
does it do for the Thunder. You know, this team
wasn't able to get it done with KD. Harden, you know,
Serge Abaka and Westbrook. You weren't able to get it done.
And now they've been able to deliver a first championship
to the OKAC Thunder. This is a big moment for
for that franchise, is a big moment for that town

(10:01):
and and I would assume to be able to take
advantage of it. This is a big moment for the
NBA as well.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
So you want to know whether or not SGA is
going to become a talking point like other superstars in
the NBA, Like that's that's that's the question. Because I
have the answer, you won't say no, probably not, probably not.
And you want to know why, because they've got to

(10:28):
squeeze every last drop of the lebron rag that they
can while they got it. Got to squeeze it. You
gotta got every every drop out. You want that thing
to be bone dry. Afterwards, they're just they're going to
pick at the carcass of Lebron James for as long
as they possibly can because they know that that's what

(10:48):
feeds and that's and that's the way the NBA has
worked for a long time, and they're going to be
in for route awakening when Lebron James does decide to
walk away, because he really has carried the discussion and
the conversation for that league for a couple of decades now,
and they've got an opportunity. They've got an opportunity to

(11:12):
promote and try and get coverage for some of these
younger stars, guys like SGA, guys like a Tatum or
a Brown last year, like, they've got opportunities, They've got
a chance here. It took them forever to finally acknowledge, Hey,
maybe Indiana's pretty good. I mean, everybody just wanted to
coordinate the Knicks because they got past the Celtics with

(11:33):
all their injuries, and Indiana was standing there going excuse us, like,
we're pretty good as well too, and we're going to
be the team that represents this conference in the finals.
And so if they can rally around the idea of hey,
Lebron's gonna be on his way out soon. The end
is near, and we're going to have to transition to

(11:54):
try and find new stars and new conversations and new
talking points. If they can do that and accept that,
then they got a chance. If not, it's just going
to be great players who get a fraction of the
coverage because people don't know how to cover the newer
generation of NBA players.

Speaker 3 (12:11):
It's interesting. It's interesting because it probably is a very
important coat that they need to figure out how to
crack in terms of just the development of this new
age of stars. It looked like it might have been
John Morant for a moment and then he you know,
kind of shot it ol way or you know, blew

(12:32):
it away, no pun into Yeah, yeah, you know, he
he had other things.

Speaker 4 (12:40):
On his own.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
Can I defend John Morant?

Speaker 4 (12:43):
Yeah sure.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
Gunlighter sales really spiked after that video came out there.
You go, you know how many people were smoking weed
out back somewhere and they pulled out a nine millimeter
with a flame coming out of it and they probably said, thanks,
oh God, keep.

Speaker 3 (13:00):
The party going on, past the back, past the bowl player.

Speaker 4 (13:08):
Yeah, ready to take up no violence here? Baby all love.

Speaker 3 (13:17):
Anyway, So he kind of messed himself up off the court,
and now the conversation went away from him. It seemed
as though our guy, you know, Anthony Atwards, was on
the pathway of being maybe anointed the new face of
the league. But it almost seems as though he needs

(13:41):
to I don't know, I don't know what they need
to do. Maybe a little bit more maturity. Maybe maybe
it's just they need the stars aligned for him, but
he needed to take it a little bit further than
what he did this year to take a definitive step
forward to be that face. In fact, so much so

(14:01):
where now you have to maybe start having the conversation
of is SGA gaining that type of momentum where he
could be looked at as possibly the face of the
n b A. I mean, you had the Tatum conversation,
but people seem to be largely in part let down
by Jason Tatum. I mean, no fault of his own

(14:22):
this year. You know, he dealt with injury during during
the playoffs, but you know, who's who's the guy you know,
out of this younger generation, it just doesn't seem to
be I mean, Nicola Jokic and and Luka are our
guys that are being looked at as phenoms. Wmby's being

(14:44):
looked at as as a phenom.

Speaker 4 (14:47):
But faces of the league. There's there's I.

Speaker 3 (14:51):
Think that what we learned from the Michael Jordan era
of time and the Magic Johnson era of time was
it has to be more than just the way you
play the game. There has to be and for what
it's worth, whether you're a Lebron James supporter or you're
a detractor. One thing you can't take away from him

(15:13):
is he understood the value and the quality of what
it took for Kobe Bryant or a Michael Jordan or
a Magic Johnson to be able to truly be what
they became to the league. Even Steph Curry excellent, excellent approach,
excellent job and being able to build their brands outside

(15:35):
of being able to play basketball. Jonas and that to me,
the personalities and understanding the ability to be able to
capture your audience, I almost feel like in some way
that's maybe missing. It's not as prevalent amongst these new

(15:56):
players as it once was before.

Speaker 2 (15:58):
There's also been a real well, I don't know if
effort is the right word. But it has felt like
even when a newer star comes along in the NBA,
there's there's almost like a push to find the flaw.
Like with SGA. Look, people can say, well, you know
his style of play is you know, he you know,

(16:19):
he tries to create too many fouls and he flops,
and look, that may be true. Dude's a great player.
I mean he is a great player. He was the
best player in the league this year. It doesn't mean
he's the best player in the league. I think a
lot of people look at Joker and still say he's
the guy. But he just capped off an incredible season
and he won a title for that franchise. He said,

(16:40):
a great year. But there is going to be some
people that dismissed the style of play because it's not
entertaining and nobody wants to see the fouls, et cetera.
When James Harden was averaging over thirty a game, doing
something that a couple of guys had ever done in
the history of the NBA, the knock on James Harden was, yeah,

(17:02):
but it's just that step back and he just throws
it up and it what so because exactly exactly, it's
like when people would complain about Floyd Mayweather. Oh yeah,
but if you know his fights are.

Speaker 4 (17:16):
Boring, they're boring.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
Y Oh, he's boring, and it's just it's too defensive.
I don't know, seems like something work because he made
more money than anybody, and you ever heard the guy
talk before all his faculties, Like, doesn't seem like he's
punched drunk.

Speaker 4 (17:30):
By the way, and he never lost no.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
So like like why the push to find the flaw
instead of just acknowledging. Hey man, different strokes for different folks.
This works, that works to each their own. The shots
are going in, he's making them. He had an incredible
run and an incredible season. But sometimes we get caught
up in this. Yeah, but he doesn't he you know

(17:54):
the way he does it, you know, it's not like
it So.

Speaker 3 (17:57):
What toxic culture? I mean, that's that's what drives things.
I'm telling you. It's the craziest thing. I went up,
like I went up like four or five thousand followers
just because I posted a post that was considered to
be controversial to those that can't read, or don't read,
or don't take the time to put things in the

(18:19):
proper context. Because that's just the way the brain works.
For today's culture. You know, the culture is toxic culture,
cringe cringe top cringe culture. You know, that's that's what
it is. So people people cling, and people gravitate to mean,
they gravitate to negative.

Speaker 4 (18:39):
You know.

Speaker 3 (18:39):
It's it's interesting you put up a positive quote, a
positive post, your your your likes, and your views significantly
fall off. I got the data now, I don't even
have to say per se or or I think the
data says if you put up something that that maybe
may he has a toxic vibe to it or a

(19:03):
uh uh you know, somebody died type deal type of
vibe to it, like watching somebody fall, like what took.

Speaker 4 (19:10):
Place with the hot air balloon.

Speaker 3 (19:12):
Like you look at the views on that, it's like
a gazillion views, bro, take that for data.

Speaker 4 (19:18):
There you go.

Speaker 3 (19:20):
Then you put up something like hey, get up early,
work hard, eat your breakfast, believe that you can win
the day.

Speaker 4 (19:26):
It'd be like one like I don't need to know.

Speaker 3 (19:31):
I don't need to hear no positivity from you. I'm
all about the negativity. I can't I'm not one to judge,
you know. I retweet all.

Speaker 2 (19:39):
The bad stuff I just think it's hilarious.

Speaker 4 (19:41):
Yeah, but you retweet what they say, can help it.

Speaker 3 (19:44):
I love trolling them too, by the way, sometimes I
make time. I love going on your posts and trolling.
That's a that's a fertile ground to go on. Oh yeah,
oh man, there some weirdos. You've got some good ones,
but you got some straight up weirdos that be fallowing.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
Yeah, they're eating good I got somebody under somebody dusted off,
an oldie, but a goodie. This weekend they called me
a piss ant, which is one of the good ones.
The Yeah, one of the great terms of all time.
It is like, I hadn't heard that in years, and
I think if you look up the definition, I think
we're looking it up. It means uh like worthless or

(20:21):
insignificant or something like that. I believe an insignificant or
contemptible person or thing. Yeah, piss ant, love piss.

Speaker 7 (20:30):
Ant, And I'm reading up on the type of ant
that is.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
All Shut up, Lee, you piss ant. We got to
start dusting lying.

Speaker 4 (20:41):
It's not.

Speaker 2 (20:43):
That we got to start dusting that off. But goodie, here,
how was.

Speaker 4 (20:55):
How was that?

Speaker 7 (21:01):
I'm sorry, Vegas in Vegas.

Speaker 3 (21:05):
Sorry, it's hard to contain myself.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
It is two pros old cluster at Las Vegas, two
pros and a couple of here on Fox Sports Trading. Yeah,
no invite for us, Not for us. We were left out,
like they're going to invite a couple of pists ants
like us.

Speaker 4 (21:21):
Uh And there you go. That now it's been used correctly.

Speaker 7 (21:24):
Fun note about the piss at is that it's a
wood type of ant that actually has a urine like odor.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
Really yeah, hence hence the name.

Speaker 3 (21:32):
How do you get close enough to him and tell me?
Have you ever smelled an ant?

Speaker 2 (21:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (21:38):
Do you guys ever kill the sugar ants in your
kitchen with your fingers and then they smell really bad?

Speaker 3 (21:43):
I hate that's weird and that's wow. I've never heard
of an ant. I think fire your ants is the
only thing I've ever heard.

Speaker 4 (21:51):
Sugar ants, black ant, I've heard it. I've heard of
black ant me too.

Speaker 3 (21:57):
Ral had a couple levem that is.

Speaker 4 (22:04):
Like several, Like I think I got four there.

Speaker 2 (22:08):
I hate ants.

Speaker 3 (22:08):
When the dad has three sisters, my mom has one.
I have four black ants.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
Do you.

Speaker 4 (22:16):
We call them ants in Pittsburgh and some people call
them on Yeah, you know, got it?

Speaker 2 (22:22):
I hate ants, Just hate them every time. I because
here's the problem. You see one, there's five hundred just
waiting to crawl through the crack. If you see one ant,
just get ready.

Speaker 4 (22:33):
Do you know if you.

Speaker 3 (22:34):
Draw lines in front of them, they will like get
all discombobulated. You ever see that done before?

Speaker 2 (22:42):
Really?

Speaker 3 (22:43):
But something about their sensory, Like if you were to
draw like black lines in front of them, they'll avoid
the lines. So you could actually trap one in a
circle if you if you if you're happen to see one,
you know, crawling around the studio, just try to find
a way to get it to walk into a white
piece of paper and then just start drawing lines on it.

Speaker 4 (23:03):
Yeah, I just.

Speaker 2 (23:06):
I can't stand him. Really bothered me? What about when
I just say, really bothered me a lot?

Speaker 4 (23:11):
I hate him? What about?

Speaker 2 (23:13):
Uh when Ozzy Osbourne was all twazzled out on whatever
he was whatever he was using at the time, and
he got down on all fours and.

Speaker 4 (23:20):
He took on the fire ends.

Speaker 2 (23:21):
Yeah, he snorted a row of fire ends. How's that
guy alive? You know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (23:31):
Like, oh boy, they were alive?

Speaker 2 (23:35):
Yeah, what do you think his next knee was like,
I don't know, man like like the dragon off Game
of Thrones.

Speaker 3 (23:44):
Some catch truly be taking all physical challenge for no
apparent reason.

Speaker 4 (23:48):
Either, yeah they do, I don't get it.

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Speaker 1 (24:31):
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Speaker 2 (24:33):
They had Fanatics Fest. We talked to Michael Rubin last
week and over the weekend there was Fanatics Fest, a
who's who of celebrities and sports et cetera. All were
there and one of the athletes who spoke at Fanatics
Fest was Caleb Williams, who decided to take a couple

(24:55):
of shots at the Green Bay Packers and their fan
base are loyal listeners statewide. Listening in Wisconsin right now
probably won't be thrilled with this. Caleb Williams said that
a Packers fans suck. He also pointed out that the
Bears did beat Green Bay in his one and only
trip to Green Bay last season in the final week

(25:18):
of the season, pointed out that he was one to
zero in Green Bay. And he also pointed out that
they tried to jump in to do the Lambeau Leap
after they beat the Packers, and that Packer fans were
throwing stuff at him and pushing their faces, etc.

Speaker 4 (25:34):
Etc.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
And I'm not sure what he really expected when you're
trying to jump in and do the Lambeau Leap, even
if you're jumping into the arms of a Bears fan
who's sitting there. But I'll give Caleb Williams credit for this.
At least somebody's trying to keep that rivalry alive, because
nobody on the Bears has done their part for years now.
I mean, they have been the doormat in that matchup

(25:57):
for a long ass time. Soast Caleb Williams is trying
to ignite a fire into the rivalry to get it
going because it has been nonexistent and a one sided
affair for years now in the NFC North.

Speaker 4 (26:12):
I mean, get it going. It's it's cool to have.

Speaker 3 (26:16):
I guess the conversation you know about him having a
one one win record against against them in Lambeau. But
as you mentioned, I mean, they haven't been good. So
if you're if you're trying to fuel a fire too,
what is a historic rivalry? I mean, wouldn't you want

(26:43):
to win more games?

Speaker 4 (26:45):
Wouldn't you want.

Speaker 3 (26:45):
Your team based upon you, specifically, among others, be a
better team of a better product of a team. I
just don't that one kind of missed me a little bit,
just based upon the relevance of who they are. You know,

(27:09):
there's so many things that you could pinpoint from a
five to twelve team and to say that you know.

Speaker 4 (27:20):
Which.

Speaker 3 (27:20):
By the way, the team you're taking a shot at
was an eleven win team and they were right next
to you in the division, So you got two more
you got two more teams to look up at, even
if you were to restore the rivalry between the green
Bay Packers, not just it's it. You know, until they

(27:41):
start winning, conversations like these will always be the punchline
to a joke. I just hate to say it, Lee,
and I hate to say it for you Jonas, because
you're both fans of one of these teams.

Speaker 4 (27:58):
As well as as and Love.

Speaker 3 (28:01):
Have done posts posts Aaron Rodgers, you know, time there.
They still finished third last year, which is crazy. That's
crazy the thing.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
Especially considering they've got, you know, three bye weeks each season,
They've got their actual bye week and then they've got
the Bears twice in the schedule. You know, for anybody
celebrating Caleb Williams and his comments about the Packers, just
so we're clear here, the Bears are three and seventeen
against Green Bay in the last ten years. They've been

(28:36):
a laughing stock in that matchup for a long ast.

Speaker 7 (28:39):
It had been six years since they had won, and
that's just versus the Packers.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
It had been nine years since they had won in
Green Bay. Yeah, I mean, it's you know, and this
is not to ball wash green Bay or the Packer
fan base. Lee actually went to Green Bay this past season,
he said the best part of Green Bay was O'Hare Airport,
which I don't know why. I don't know why he
would have made those claims, especially live on the air.

(29:06):
That was insulting to our Wisconsin.

Speaker 4 (29:10):
I love yeah everything about Grease.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
He's like this, man, man, this green Bay is really
something now boarding American Airlines plus Feen eighteen. But it's
just look, man, you know, somebody's got to try and
do something because this has not been much of a rivalry.
Matt Lafleur. That was his only loss to the Bears

(29:33):
as head coach, and one of the things that Bears
fans always talk about is when Lovey Smith first got
the job, one of the things he said at his
introductory press conference was beat Green Bay. And it is
one of those historic rivalries where I guess, similar to
college football, you are kind of judged in a way

(29:54):
on how you perform against your rival like that that matters.
And there's not that many of the those matchups or
rivalry so to speak, in the NFL. This one, at
least they're trying to get there, but it has been
completely dominant by Green Bay for a long ass time.
There is again a historical value. You can't you can't

(30:15):
recreate historical value. You know, these are two fabled and
very very respected traditionally, you know, franchises. So there's that
when when the historic value is there, there's always a
chance to rekindle or or find it, you know, what

(30:39):
the rivalry represents along the way. When you guys were
when you were in Washington and the Cowboys were coming up.

Speaker 4 (30:46):
It was still a relevant rivalry.

Speaker 2 (30:48):
Did that feel different?

Speaker 3 (30:50):
But we were the Chicago Bears on the side of it.
When I was there, we were always losing to to Dallas, always,
like there was one. I think my first year we
lost to them both times. I think the second year
I was there, you know, I think we split with them.
I think we lost to them there and then beat

(31:11):
them at home. Now I don't really remember the rest
of it, but I don't. I don't recall winning against
Dallas very often. And so it's like that is a
rivalry and and and fans will tell you, well, you
used to, you know, just beat Dallas, you know, and

(31:31):
you got to the point where your fans had to
say that to you when you saw it, when they
saw you, which was sad in itself. Like, you guys
aren't very good. But if y'all could just beat Dallas,
I think, are you know, I'll be happy for the season.
But it was that big of a rivalry. I don't
I don't know that it's still that big of a rivalry.
And then the name changed. I don't know what relevance.

(31:53):
It kind of carried over from you know, being you know,
basically Cowboys versus Indians. So I don't you know, I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (32:02):
Do you know your record against the Cowboys all time,
lebar Arrington, because I have it here.

Speaker 3 (32:08):
I mean I would have had I would assume we
beat them twice. I beat them twice, something to that effect.

Speaker 2 (32:16):
Three and eight in eleven games against the Cowboys. You
were four and seven in eleven games against the Giants.
But and I believe this was back when the Cardinals
were the Cardinals still in the NFC East back then,
because you were four and one against the Cardinals. So
for some reason, you really you really light it up

(32:37):
in Arizona there.

Speaker 3 (32:39):
Well that that's our team. It wasn't. It wasn't one
on one. I played one position. What you said, I
don't know. I knew what it felt like to play
against the team that that you were kind of intimidated by.

Speaker 4 (33:02):
I had saw what that looked like.

Speaker 3 (33:05):
I've never really subscribed to being intimidated by a team,
but rivalries can create that type of mental block if
you're on the wrong side of it, and it's almost
like you expect something to go wrong. I experienced that
against Michigan in college, and we just never We never
beat Michigan, no matter like how well we we did,

(33:29):
and I you know, there's there's reasons why I believe
we lost two of the three.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
But that's why, like those guys that left Ohio State
that never beat Michigan in that rivalry, you're going to
have to eat that the rest of your life.

Speaker 3 (33:44):
And that's that's a lot. It doesn't seem like a
long time, but when you're in school, that's an eternity.

Speaker 4 (33:50):
Like you were that first one, I'm like, dang.

Speaker 3 (33:53):
Then you lose again, that just feels like it feels strange.
And then to lose the third one, it was it
just seemed like you're there for like that was something
that's a forever deal, like you mentioned, and it is.

Speaker 4 (34:10):
I mean, I still have to live with that.

Speaker 3 (34:12):
I'm sure all of us that played on those teams
have to live with the fact that we never notched
a win against against Michigan. So so I was used
to it when we got to the league and it
was like, oh, this feels familiar.

Speaker 2 (34:25):
I mean, you were three and oh against the Rams.
For what it's worth, well, I didn't know that, ye dominant.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
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Speaker 2 (34:41):
We're also going to catch up with doctor David chaw
here in just a few moments from now, how to
find out exactly why the hell these Achilles injuries seem
to be happening. The conversation away from the fact that
the Oklahoma City Thunder won the NBA Championship last night.
And I don't know if anybody's going to go this direction.

(35:03):
Do you take away a little bit of the luster
or credibility of them winning the title based on Tyrese
Haliburton getting injured? I don't, but I think that some
people might go that direction.

Speaker 3 (35:16):
I mean, I think you could make an argument that
if Haliburton the way he was playing before he went down,
is still in the game. It could have been a
different outcome. But again, they they bounced back, they rallied
in the second quarter, and they outscored Okay see in
the second quarter. You can't say because Tyrese Aliburton was

(35:40):
out that they had.

Speaker 4 (35:41):
The horrible third quarter that they did.

Speaker 3 (35:45):
Just horrible timing, just bad timing to have that bad
of a showing in a quarter of basketball, and they
just were ultimately unable to recover from how poor they
played in the third quarter of the game. And you know,
Okayse was able to build on on not only the

(36:09):
poor play of Indiana in terms of protecting the ball,
you know, rebounding the ball, you know, closing out on defense,
but they they played, you know, they out hustled them.
They they were able to find a way to extend

(36:29):
the lead in the fourth quarter and ultimately just make
it too big of a deficit for them to to,
you know, to get back in it. There were still
moments in the fourth quarter. I think they got it
down to as low as twelve points in the fourth quarter,
I want to say, I mean, there were times where

(36:51):
they got it down to a manageable a manageable deficit
when they were I can recall when it was at
that twelve points. They had the ball and they had
an offensive sequence, and if they score on a sequence,
it's it's a one digit deal. It's a one digit deal. Possibly,
potentially it could have been nine if they got the three.

(37:14):
They score as ten, but you're still five possessions away
if you score two, and obviously cut that down into
you know, three possessions if you're shooting threes. So they
just weren't getting the offensive production that they needed. They
weren't protecting the ball, They couldn't find continuity and rhythm

(37:36):
in their offensive sets. And could Halliburton have made it
easier for them to be able to establish offensive sets?
Could it have made it easier for Topping and Siakam
and company to be able to you know, Miles to
get better, better opportunities, better looks at the at the

(37:58):
rim to shoot. Sure, he definitely would have made a difference.
That's why he's considered to be one of the you know,
the biggest star on the team. But what that had
been the catalysts of them winning the game? Can you
use that as a discussion point? You can use it

(38:18):
how feasible it is.

Speaker 4 (38:20):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
SGA spoke after his NBA Championship, his NBA Finals MVP
and performance regular season MVP season, but he spoke afterwards
specifically about Tyrese Haliburton's injury and just ask.

Speaker 4 (38:36):
You was okay? Obviously he wasn't.

Speaker 6 (38:38):
What a just go out to him for sure, hell
of a player, futures bright and that's happening. It's so unfortunate.

Speaker 4 (38:44):
It's not that team and him as well. What did
you say to him in that moment?

Speaker 6 (38:48):
And yeah, I just asked my fears all right, and
it seemed like he was in pain.

Speaker 4 (38:54):
You just hate to see it.

Speaker 6 (38:57):
In sports in general, but in this moment, like my
heart drop for him, Like I couldn't imagine.

Speaker 3 (39:04):
Bad news beers and uh, bad news beers.

Speaker 4 (39:09):
Yeah, so that, Uh.

Speaker 3 (39:12):
What did we get accomplished there other than knowing that
you know, he knew he was in pain and it was.

Speaker 4 (39:17):
A bad, bad situation for him. Like help me out here.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
Well, I just I want to put that sound listen.
I just want to I just want to do this
for you because I think this is the most important
part of that sound bite.

Speaker 3 (39:32):
Yeah, I mean, either laugh or cry about it, I guess.

Speaker 4 (39:41):
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (39:42):
Well, look, he was obviously the first to check on
Tyrese Haliburton to see how he was doing and how
he was in that moment, was s g A. And No,
that would not that would not happen, definitely not. But
he was there first on the scene to check on
Tyrese Haliburton, who knew pretty immediately after it went down

(40:06):
that he was in some trouble and that the season
was over, the series was over for him. And then
now the conversation becomes what about next year? Potentially next
year would be over for him. By the way, when
you mentioned earlier Lebar as somebody who went through the
Achilles injury, yourself, when they keep showing it over and

(40:26):
over again, do you get the flashbacks? Do you get
the sensation again? Because I can remember the first time
I saw somebody dislocate their kneecap. After I did it,
I could almost feel it again, like if just seeing
it I could recognize right away, oh, that's a dislocated kneecap,
because I think it was Andrew Binham who dislocated his kneecap,
and I remember seeing it and thinking, oh, yeah, I

(40:49):
know what that is just based on having gone through
it myself. So I don't know if if any of
those flashbacks pop up for you seeing this stuff.

Speaker 3 (40:56):
Don't know that I flashed back, but I can feel
the pain of it, you know, like I'm like, ah,
I feel bad for him. Like when I saw it pop,
I was like, oh, man, and you just know I immediately,
I mean, I guess you could call it a flashback.
I mean I immediately thought about how painful it was

(41:18):
and how long it took for it to heal.

Speaker 4 (41:23):
You know, and.

Speaker 3 (41:25):
There's just a lot of there's a lot that goes
into an Achilles tendon tear man a full full rupture,
and that's just again, I was, you know, sad to
see it happened to him. I was curious, was it
the same leg that he had to strain on the
same exact lag, So it was maybe it was trying
to tell him like you needed to, you know, you

(41:47):
need to take a load off, like you need to
shut it down. They made it a point to talk
about how he didn't want to. He would have regretted it.
He would have lived, you know with that regret. I mean,
I guess ultimately to be able to say, you know,
I actually blew it out a fully ruptured you know,
because a strain is a tear. You know, a strain

(42:09):
is a tear. Yeah, so you know, to sacrifice it
that way. I mean, it's it's admirable that he went
out so to speak on his shield.

Speaker 2 (42:18):
Now, let's turn it over to an expert in the field,
the one and only doctor David Chow joining us here
on Fox Sports Radio. Official injury expert for Fox Sports Radio,
and he's got live injury analysis at Sports Injury Central
X NFL head team doctor for seventeen plus years as well. Doctor,
good morning, thanks for popping on with us here on

(42:40):
Monday morning.

Speaker 5 (42:41):
Thanks for having me, guys. But but I don't know
that he even need me. LaVar's got.

Speaker 2 (42:48):
I mean, because that is the question, right is did
the calf strain? Was that the lead up to this?
In what happened last night to Tyrese Haliburton.

Speaker 5 (42:59):
Yeah, there's a couple of other additional aspects. But you know,
I just have to flash back a little bit when
I started, you know, stopped in the NFL and I
started doing injury analysis off a video literally off my couch.
Before it was a business sports Injury Central. I got
so much hate that man. You're on your couch. How
do you know what he has? There's no way. And

(43:20):
now we got LeVar. We got all these people saying yep,
in the media saying yep, that's what it is, that's
what it looked like. And so it's come a long way.
But here's the point with this. First of all, afrigame too.
Remember he limped off the stage and the next day
he was seen with all this tape at a practice,
moving stiffly. At that point in time, that Sports Injury

(43:43):
Central sic score dot com, we're saying he's got achilles
tendanitis and tennanitis. A strain is a partial tear. As
LeVar says later in the series, he had a calf muscle,
is what he said injury. But remember twenty nineteen Kevin Durant,
it was a calf muscle and we were saying it

(44:05):
was an Achilles partial tear and it became full. This
is eerily similar. But in no way, shape or form
am I criticizing the pacers or HALLI burden for trying
to play LeVar. You know this, You would have played
through a Super Bowl with whatever injury and this was
the Super Bowl, right, this is Game seven, and to

(44:26):
be fair, he helped get him to Game seven a
great games you know, played through a Game six that
was tough, and other games to get him there. So
it's a little bit vacxi driving to say, well, he
shouldn't have been playing. I mean, the unfortunate side of
this is the biggest loss of the Pacers is not
the NBA Finals, but they're going to lose him for

(44:49):
basically all of next season with this recovery. You know this, LeVar,
You know how hard the recovery is. I mean it's June. Okay,
you know this is not an opt injury. It's in June.
He's gonna miss all next season. That's the biggest regret,
but you know it is what it is.

Speaker 3 (45:07):
Unfortunately, Doc, when you see an injury like that take place,
and the conversation of you would have played, and you
would have played, how do you look at it from
the standpoint of on the other side of it, he
clearly does not tear his or fully rupture his achilles

(45:31):
tendon if they hold him out, if he doesn't play,
you never knew that he would have toured when he
did play. But how do you have that type of
conversation with a player? Are you able to medically explain
when you hear that that Achilles tendon that type of

(45:52):
conversation or is there a way for medically it to
be explained to the athlete where you say, listen, man,
if you go out there, the wrong move or at
the wrong time, like your Achilles tendant will rupture and
here are the you know, the elements that you're facing
moving forward.

Speaker 5 (46:14):
Well, I think you can try. You can't predict the future,
but I'm sure you've had these conversations before in the NFL,
and I've had him with a lot of players. It's
a simple concept called informed consent. This is what the
risks are. I famously had one with Philip Rivers about
his torny acl six days after an e scope against

(46:34):
the Patriots in an AFC Championship game. Informed consent about
what your risks are, etc. And he was very firm
on wanting to play through that. I'm sure that conversation
was had with Tyrese Halbert if I from AFAR can
say he's got Achilles tendonitis and you know, like eleven
days ago, we posted a video talking about a risk

(46:56):
of achilles and in rupture. That risk wasn't fifty percent
ninety percent. It was a single digit risk, but unfortunately
a single digit risk through four games, five games, it
caught up to him and unfortunately happened. I'm sure Kevin
Durant had the same conversation with doctors at Golden State

(47:16):
in twenty nineteen. In twenty nineteen, we said when he
came back, we thought he came back early, Kevin Durant
from his injury, and we were saying, the ball no
longer goes through Kevin duran it goes through Steph Curry.
But as soon as Steph Curry went to the bench,
the ball went through Kevin Durant and he popped his achilles.

(47:37):
It's a sudden, eccentric load, quick movement, which is what
basketball is all about, right, And so how do you
put a guy out there and then say you just
can't do X certain things. It's just natural. And the
step that he made was, you know, not that horrific,
but unfortunately it popped. It happened. The footnote on this,
I'll say, guys, at least we're not talking about the

(47:59):
same thing we did in twenty nineteen. In twenty nineteen.
Most of the world, I think said Kevin Durant will
never be the same again. And I think I came
on Fox Sports Radio prior to this version of the
show and said, no, I think I would give him
a MATH contract. I think he will be Kevin Durant again,
but it won't be for a year. So at least

(48:19):
we're not having that conversation about Haliburt and will he
be back. I think he fully will be back, but
it'll lose all of next season to get there.

Speaker 2 (48:28):
Doctor David Chowd joining us here on Fox Sports Radio.
LeVar Arrington, Jonas Knox with you here on FSR. So
is it me or have we seen an uptick on
achilles injuries recently? And I don't know if that's just
because we've got more video and we've got more television
and we've got more opportunity to view it, camrangles, whatever.

(48:51):
But I don't recall there being specifically in the NBA
this many achilles injuries back in the day, so to speak.
And you know, I was talking with somebody last night about, well,
you know, could it be the shoes could be? Is
it the floor? Was the floor slick? But I just
don't recall this being a topic of conversation or a

(49:12):
concern back in the day. Was it for you? And
have we seen that an uptick in the Achilles injuries
in the NBA in recent memory?

Speaker 5 (49:20):
Well, what we have seen is a definite pick in
these NBA playoffs, right, and when you have it happened
to three star players Nyse Halliburton, Jason Tatum, Damian Lillard.
That was all this NBA playoffs. So of course there's
a lot more attention to it. There's a guy that
keeps some stats. I don't keep all the numbers at

(49:42):
Jeff stocks that. He said there's an eight Achilles ten
and ruptures this season in the NBA and the previous
high was five. So if you take that said, well,
that's an uptick, but that's not statistically significant. Is it
a little bit of an outlier season? Yes? Earlier a
couple of weeks ago, I had on the great Bob

(50:03):
Anderson Robert Anderson, and I don't know if you're familiar
with him, LeVar, he's sort of the number one foot
and ankle doctor for pro sports. He had him on
my podcast. He's on the NFL Foot and Ankle Committee
and shoot committee and studies all this stuff, and he
distinctly says he does not has not seen an uptick

(50:24):
and he does basketball as well as football, et cetera.
An uptick in achilles injuries if you take it across time,
he doesn't see that. Anecdotally. I do think we know
more about injuries. And look, Liz Frank and midfoot have
become common. My ankle sprain has become common term as
opposed to a low ankle spraying. There is more tension

(50:47):
because there is better video, there's better TV, et cetera.
And there's no question. As players get bigger, faster, stronger,
we find new different ways. But we haven't truly seen
an uptick and Achilles ten in row sures over time.
First say, according to doctor Anderson, you.

Speaker 4 (51:05):
Know, my last question would would be.

Speaker 3 (51:09):
And and looking at how this happened, it's one thing
to say, okay, you have a educated consent and different
things like that, and the kid wants to play, and
you know this, you know the and I asked you, okay,
can they can they ask that question in a way
or give the information in a way where the player

(51:30):
you know, decides to to not play, which it would
be interesting because I'm sure there would be the criticism
of all, he's soft, he decided not to play, did
so on and so forth, or the doctor held him out, this,
that and the other. But I would wonder have you
ever faced a situation where you said, look, you need
to hold this kid out based.

Speaker 4 (51:52):
Upon what what? What this?

Speaker 3 (51:54):
You know, these symptoms are that that they're going through.
And it's on on the side of saying it, it's like, okay,
they play, they play. If they don't, they don't. But
on the other side of it, do you feel like
maybe the coaches have held the medical staff accountable for
allowing them to go in and play regardless of what

(52:17):
maybe you know, the injury was telling you.

Speaker 5 (52:22):
Yeah, I hear that, and it's a complex conversation. But LeVar,
you know this, and you know for football days, eighty
five percent healthy in the NFL is a good day,
is a good week. And if you're really trying to
wait for people to be one hundred percent and have
no risk, you would have no players in the NFL
and for the NBA as well. So the discussion has had. Look,

(52:46):
it is incumbent on a team position on any doctor
to say no any time there is any sort of
permanent or long term risk period, whether it's concussion, spying,
long term damage to the knee, etc. Here it's an achilles. Yes,
he needs to be explained to if it ruptures, he's

(53:07):
going to lose next season and the horrific surgery and
recovery that it's going to take. Yes, but it's not
going to end his career. And I think as a physician,
you're there to serve the player and the player's best interest,
so you have to tell the player everything. Here's the risk.
I can't quantify the Achilles sent and risk, but it
might be five percent. Okay, are you willing to take

(53:29):
a one to twenty percent chance tonight that you're going
to ruptu your Achilles tendon to play in the NBA Finals?
I mean, look, Jonas LeVar and listeners, how would you
answer that question. I think the majority of people would
say yes, not everyone, and you wouldn't criticize someone for
saying no. But I think if there's a decision to
be made, the decision should be made by the patient

(53:53):
slash player, and of course the coaches time into this
as well. A lot of times a discussion in season,
do you want to play. This guy, he could play,
but he's eighty percent on his hamstring. Is the backup
cornerback worth eighty percent this guy? And if he reaggravates that,
you're going to miss him for six weeks. What's the
decision making between the player, the medical and the coach here?

(54:17):
The coach is going to say and the player is
going to say, it's game seven, Okay, we'll deal with
the consequences after game seven. This is what we work
for and kind of thing. Not pushing the guy to play,
but as soon as he wants to play, I don't
see a team or coach stopping him. Look, if there's
permanent damage where he would never play basketball again or
never walk again, then the doctor should have stopped Tyreeve

(54:39):
Haliburton period and the discussion. But that's not the situation here.
If it was explained to him what might happen and
the fact that he might lose next season, and he
rolls the dice to try and help his team, I
don't think anyone should be criticized. If anything, Aliburton should
be applauded and saying he left it all out there

(54:59):
for his team, but unfortunately this has happened.

Speaker 2 (55:03):
He is doctor David Chow joining us here on Fox
Sports Radio. Get him on x at Pro Football Doc,
official injury expert for Fox Sports Radio. He's got live
injury analysis at Sports Injuries Central. Rather x NFL head
team doctor for seventeen plus years, Doctor Chow, we appreciate
you waking up early and let's do it again soon.

Speaker 5 (55:25):
Thank you. I hope blood and achilles.

Speaker 2 (55:28):
Like no, who knows, who knows? Yeah, they're dropping left
and right, but no, we appreciate it. Doctor, Thank you,
Thank you. There he is the great, doctor David Chow.

Speaker 4 (55:39):
That is.

Speaker 2 (55:40):
It's just it's kind of wild that you basically just
kind of roll the dice. Yeah, this this might happen,
Like even if it's just a single percent chance that
it might happen. He really did make the commitment, he
made the choice, and just trying to grab a ball

(56:01):
that was out in front of him and it pops
and that's that gone for next year as well too.

Speaker 3 (56:07):
It's pretty curious to think if he didn't play, how
much he would be judged for not playing, and yet
it would have most likely been the right decision to
make twenty twenty.

Speaker 4 (56:19):
Hindsight, it would have been the right decision.

Speaker 3 (56:21):
But getting the opportunity to see him actually fully rupture it,
it's like, oh, he probably shouldn't have played.

Speaker 2 (56:30):
Yeah, and it's they didn't just lose one NBA finals
last night, they lost two. So they lost two NBA
finals because they lost last night and they were significantly
impacted when he went down. And then if he's going
to be out for the entirety of next year, they're
not winning a title without him next year. Yeah, so

(56:50):
you basically lost two championships in one night on one
play with one achilles rupture.

Speaker 3 (56:55):
But you can't hold it against him. No, you know,
one thing you can't do is say that he wasn't there.

Speaker 4 (57:00):
He didn't. He tried to get through it.

Speaker 3 (57:02):
So yeah, it's just crazy because we would have been
calling him every bit of a diva and he got
no chin and yeah, super soft, all these different things
people would have used as describing had he not played,
and he plays, and you know that happened. So it's unfortunate,
it really is. You hate to see that happen to him,

(57:24):
but it's interesting that he did. He did try. He
said it was painful, and they did Doctor Child said
they was taping that bad boy ut. They was putting
all kinds of tape, all kinds of different areas on
his leg.

Speaker 4 (57:36):
Man, when they was wrapping it up.

Speaker 3 (57:39):
I don't know if you saw that footage, like the pregame,
they were showing him like they were stemming him. They
was wrapping it. They were doing all kinds of stuff
to treat it. The way I saw them putting the
stem on it, I knew it was his achilles tended,
you know.

Speaker 4 (57:52):
But that's just that's just wild to see it happen.

Speaker 3 (57:56):
When I felt it, I felt mine was vibe rating,
like it vibrated for about a month, a good month
before it ruptured. And I literally was not putting any
real pressure on my on my foot when it went,
so it had to have been by a thread that

(58:17):
I probably was. That thing was unraveling by the day,
you know, so, but it was vibrating.

Speaker 4 (58:24):
I could feel it vibrating like I could feel it
now I can.

Speaker 3 (58:27):
I can remember in the Atlanta game, I hit it
and it went like I could feel it going.

Speaker 4 (58:36):
I was like, hey, I tapped my helmet, like hey, hey,
I need this.

Speaker 3 (58:41):
Ub I came off the field that thing, that thing
didn't feel right, man, And then not not too long
after that, like I'm just standing there, Jason Me and
Jason Whitten are engaged and I'm just standing there and
it just went pow. I could hear it. I heard it.
I heard it, and I thought it was a guy
that hit me, you know. Antonio pierces like who hit you?

Speaker 6 (59:03):
Var?

Speaker 4 (59:03):
Who hit you? Who hit you? And we're looking around
like who hit me? Who hit me?

Speaker 5 (59:07):
What?

Speaker 2 (59:08):
Who did it?

Speaker 3 (59:08):
I'm looking at Wit and Witten's looking at me. We
went and puts his hands up like, hey, bro, ain't
nobody hit you. I'm looking around like this can't be right.
And then then the realization set in that there was
no one moving away from hitting me. For one for two,
that definitely sounded like I had got gotten hit. I
just popped my Achilles tenant one hundred percent. I got

(59:30):
to that point. I got to that conclusion pretty quickly.
And then just start looking around like here comes t O,
like hey, Yokvar was like get out of my face.

Speaker 5 (59:41):
Man.

Speaker 3 (59:43):
I just wanted to like take in the last moments
like I knew that was it. I was done, that
was it. That was my last play, and I knew
it was my last play. That was it kind of sucks.
That's wild, But that's not how Ler Burton's situation, which
is a good thing. That's not going to be endo him.
But I just it was definitely the end of me.

Speaker 2 (01:00:03):
And it does sound like yours was gonna go regardless
there was going on. There was no preventative possibility there.

Speaker 4 (01:00:11):
I was stretching that joint. I was.

Speaker 3 (01:00:13):
I was rehabbing it, prehabing it, whatever you want to
call it. I was stemming it. I was doing the
ice tubs, I was doing the boots. I was Jonas,
there was not one. I acupunctured it everything. I did
everything that you could possibly do preventatively to try not to,

(01:00:33):
you know, to rupture.

Speaker 4 (01:00:34):
It, because I felt my heel was tight. I felt it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:38):
I was doing the incline board every day like for
like minutes, like literally ten to fifteen minutes. I'd be
stretching that bad boy out, both of them. Just stretch out,
stretch your back out, stretch your it bands out, stretch
you know, stretch your hamstrings, like just stretching everything to
try to make sure that you were flex the boll

(01:01:00):
and that that thing did not it went anyway.

Speaker 4 (01:01:04):
Damn