June 23, 2025 • 40 mins
Fox Sports Radio Injury Expert, Dr. David Chao breaks down the risks Tyrese Haliburton knew about before entering Game 7 and seemingly tearing his Achilles. Tyreek Hill is trying to get Jalen Ramsey to stay in Miami. Plus, weather, traffic and Diddy on Lee’s Leftovers.
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We're also going to catch up with doctor David chaw
here in just a few moments from now, how to
find out exactly why the hell, these Achilles injuries seem
to be happening the conversation away from the fact that
the Oklahoma City Thunder won the NBA Championship last night.
And I don't know if anybody's going to go this direction.
(01:31):
Do you take away a little bit of the luster
or credibility of them winning the title based on Tyrese
Haliburton getting injured? I don't, but I think that some
people might go that direction.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
I mean, I think you could make an argument that
if Halliburton, the way he was playing before he went
down is still in the game, it could have been
a different outcome. But again, they bounced back, they rallied
in the second quarter, and they outscored okay See in
the second quarter. You can't say because Tyrese Aliburton was
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out that they had the horrible third quarter that they
did just horrible timing, just bad timing to have that
bad of a showing in a quarter of basketball, and
they just were ultimately unable to recover from how poorly
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they played in the third quarter of the game. And
you know, okay See was able to build on on
not only the poor play of Indiana in terms of
protecting the ball. You know, rebounding the ball, you know,
closing out on defense. But they they played, you know,
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they out hustled them. They they were able to find
a way to extend the lead in the fourth quarter
and ultimately just make it too big of a deficit
for them to, you know, to get back in it.
There were still moments in the fourth quarter. I think
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they got it down to as low as twelve points
in the fourth quarter, I want to say, I mean,
there were times where they got it down to a manageable,
a manageable deficit when they were I can recall when
it was at that twelve points. They had the ball
and they had an offensive sequence, and if they score
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on a sequence, it's it's a one digit deal. It's
a one digit deal. Possibly, potentially it could have been
nine if they got the three they scored as ten,
but you're still five possessions away if you score two,
and obviously cut that down into you know, three possessions
if you're shooting three. So they just weren't getting the
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offensive production that they needed. They weren't protecting the ball,
they couldn't find continuity and rhythm in their offensive sets.
And could Halliburton have made it easier for them to
be able to establish offensive sets. Could it have made
it easier for Topping and and Siakam and company to
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be able to, you know, Miles to get better, better opportunities,
better looks at the at the rim to shoot. Sure,
he definitely would have made a difference. That's why he's
considered to be one of the you know, the biggest
star on the team. But what that had been the
catalysts of them winning the game? Can you use that
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as a discussion point? You can use it how feasible
it is? I don't know.
Speaker 5 (04:49):
SGA spoke after his NBA Championship, his NBA Finals MVP
and performance regular season MVP season, but he it was
obviously the first to check on Tyreese Halliburton to see
how he was doing and how he was in that moment,
was SGA? And no, that would not that would not happen,
(05:13):
definitely not. But he was there first on the scene
to check on Tyrese Haliburton, who knew pretty immediately after
it went down that he was in some trouble and
that the season was over, the series was over for him.
And then now the conversation becomes what about next year?
Potentially next year would be over for him. By the way,
(05:35):
when you mentioned earlier Lebar as somebody who went through
the Achilles injury yourself, When they keep showing it over
and over again, do you get the flashbacks? Do you
get the sensation again? Because I can remember the first
time I saw somebody dislocate their kneecap. After I did it,
I could almost feel it again, like if just seeing it,
(05:55):
I could recognize right away, Oh, that's a dislocated kneecap,
because I think it was Andrew who dislocated his kneecap,
and I remember seeing it and thinking, oh, yeah, I
know what that is, just based on having gone through
it myself. So I don't know if you if any
of those flashbacks pop up for you seeing this stuff.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Don't know that I flashed back, but I can feel
the pain of it, you know, Like I'm like, ah,
I feel bad for him. Like when I saw it pop,
I was like, oh man, and you just know I immediately,
I mean, I guess you could call it a flashback.
I mean I immediately thought about how painful it was
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and how long it took for it to heal, you know,
And there's just a lot of there's a lot that
goes into an achilles tendon, tear man a full full rupture,
and that's just again, I was, you know, sad to
see it happened to him. I was curious, was it
the same leg that he had to strain on, same
(06:57):
exact leg? So it was maybe it was trying to
tell him like you needed to, you know, you need
to take a load off, like you need to shut
it down. They made it a point to talk about
how he didn't want to. He would have regretted it.
He would have lived, you know, with that regret. I mean,
I guess ultimately to be able to say, you know,
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I actually blew it out. I fully ruptured, you know,
because a strain is a tear. You know, a strain
is a tear. Yeah, So you know, to sacrifice it
that way, I mean, it's it's admirable that he went
out so to speak on his shield.
Speaker 5 (07:34):
Now let's turn it over to an expert in the field,
the one and only doctor David Chow joining us here
on Fox Sports Radio, Official injury expert for Fox Sports Radio,
and he's got live injury analysis at Sports Injury Central.
Ex NFL head team doctor for seventeen plus years as well. Doctor,
good morning, thanks for popping on with us here on
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Monday morning.
Speaker 6 (07:57):
Thanks for having me, guys, But I don't know that
you even need me. LeVar has got this, I mean, because.
Speaker 5 (08:05):
That is the question, right is did the calf strain?
Was that the lead up to this? In what happened
last night to Tyres Alliburton.
Speaker 6 (08:15):
Yeah, there's a couple of other additional aspects. But you know,
I just have to flash back a little bit. When
I started, you know, stopped in the NFL and I
started doing injury analysis off a video literally off my
couch before it was a business sports Injury Central. I
got so much hate that man, you're on your couch.
How do you know what he had? There's no way.
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And now we got LeVar, We got all these people
saying yep, in the media saying yep, that's what it is,
That's what it looked like. And so it's come a
long way. But here's the point with this. First of
all AFRI game too. Remember he limped off the stage
and the next day he was seen with all this
tape at a practice moving stiffly. At that point in
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time that Sports Indy Central sic score dot Com. We're
saying he's got achilles tennanitis and tennanitis. A strain is
a partial tear. As LeVar says later in the series,
he had a calf muscle, is what he said. Injury.
But remember twenty nineteen Kevin Durant, it was a calf
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muscle and we were saying it was an Achilles partial
tear and it became full. This is eerily similar. But
in no way, shape or form am I criticizing the
Pacers or Halli burden for trying to play. LeVar. You
know this. You would have played through a Super Bowl
with whatever injury, and this was the Super Bowl, right,
this is Game seven, And to be fair, he helped
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get him to Game seven, a great games. You know,
played through a Game six that was tough, and other
games to get him there. So it's a little bit
vacxi driving to say, well, he shouldn't have been playing.
I mean, the unfortunate side of this is the biggest
loss of the Pacer is not the NBA Finals, but
they're gonna lose him for basically all of next season
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with this recovery. You know this, LeVar, you know how
hard the recovery is. I mean, it's June. Okay, you
know this is not an October injury. It's June. He's
gonna miss all next season. That's the biggest regret, but
you know it is what it is.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Unfortunately, Doc, when you see an injury like that take
place and the conversation of you would have played, and
you would have played, how do you look at it
from the standpoint of on the other side of it,
He clearly does not tear his or fully rupture his
(10:46):
Achilles tendon if they hold him out if he doesn't play,
you never knew that he would have toured when he
did play. But how do you have that type of
conversation with a player? Are are you able to medically
explain when you hear that achilles tendonitis that type of conversation.
(11:09):
Are is there a way for medically it to be
explained to the athlete where you say, listen, man, if
you go out there, the wrong move or are at
the wrong time, like your Achilles tendant will rupture and
here are the the elements that you're facing moving forward.
Speaker 6 (11:30):
Well, I think you can try. You can't predict the future,
but I'm sure you've had these conversations before. In the NFL,
and I've had them with a lot of players. It's
a simple concept called informed consent. This is what the
risks are. I famously had one with Philip Rivers about
his tornycl six days after an e scope against the
(11:51):
Patriots and an AFC Championship gag informed consent about what
your risks are, et cetera, and he was very firm
on wanting to play through. I'm sure that conversation was
had with Tyrese Halpert if I from AFAR can say
he's got Achilles tend ightis and you know, like eleven
days ago we posted a video talking about a risk
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of Achilles and in rupture. That risk wasn't fifty percent
or ninety percent. It was a single digit risk, but
unfortunately a single digit risk through four games, five games,
it caught up to him and unfortunately happened. I'm sure
Kevin Durant had the same conversation with doctors at Golden
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State in twenty nineteen. In twenty nineteen, we said when
he came back, we thought he came back early, Kevin
Durant from his injury, and we were saying the ball
no longer goes through Kevin duran it goes through Steph Curry,
but as soon as Steph Curry went to the bench,
the ball went through Kevin Durant and he popped his achilles.
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It's a sudden, eccentric load, quick movement, which is what
basketball is all about, right, And so how do you
put a guy out there and then say you just
can't do X certain things. It's just natural and the
step that he made was not that horrific, but unfortunately
it popped. It happened. The footnote on this, I'll say, guys,
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at least we're not talking about the same things we
did in twenty nineteen. In twenty nineteen, most of the
world I think said Kevin Durant will never be the
same again. And I think I came on Fox Sports
Radio prior to this version of the show and said, no,
I think I would give him a Max contract. I
think he will be Kevin Durant again, but it won't
be for a year. So at least we're not having
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that conversation about Haliburt. Will he be back. I think
he fully will be back, but it'll lose all of
next season to get there.
Speaker 5 (13:44):
Doctor David Chow joining us here on Fox Sports Radio
LeVar Arrington Jonas Knox.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
With you here on FSR.
Speaker 5 (13:50):
So, is it me or have we seen an uptick
on Achilles injuries recently? And I don't know if that's
just because we've got more video and we've got more
television and we've got more opportunity to view it, camrangles, whatever.
But I don't recall there being specifically in the NBA
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this many Achilles injuries back in the day, so to speak.
And you know, I was talking with somebody last night about, well,
you know, could it be the shoes? Could it be
is it the floor? Was the floor slick? But I
just don't recall this being a topic of conversation or
a concern back in the day.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
Was it for you?
Speaker 5 (14:31):
And have we seen that an uptick in the achilles
injuries in the NBA in recent memory?
Speaker 6 (14:36):
Well, what we have seen is a definite pick in
these NBA playoffs, right and when you have it happened
to three star players Nyse Halliburton, Jason Tatum, Damian Lillard.
That was all this NBA playoffs, So of course there's
a lot more attention to it. There's a guy that
keeps some stats. I don't keep all the numbers. Jeff
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Stotts that said, there's an eight Achilles ten and ruptures
this season in the NBA, and the previous high was five.
So if you take that, he said, well, that's an uptick,
but that's not statistically significant. Is it a little bit
of an outlier season? Yes, earlier a couple of weeks ago,
I had on the great Bob Anderson, Robert Anderson, and
(15:21):
I don't know if you're familiar with him, LeVar, he's
sort of the number one foot and ankle doctor for
pro sports. He had him on my podcast. He's on
the NFL Foot and Ankle Committee and shoot Committee and
studies all this stuff, and he distinctly says he does
not has not seen an uptick, and he does basketball
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as well as football, et cetera. An uptick in Achilles injuries,
if you take it across time, he doesn't see that. Anecdotally.
I do think we know more about injuries, and look,
Liz frank and midfoot have become common. My ankle sprain
has become common term as opposed to a low ankle spring.
(16:02):
There is more tension because there is better video, there's
better TV, et cetera. And there's no question. As players
get bigger, faster, stronger, we find new different ways. But
we haven't truly seen an uptick in achilles tendon ruptures
over time perst Sey. According to doctor Anderson, you.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Know, my last question would would be and looking at
how this happened. It's one thing to say, okay, you
have a educated consent and different things like that, and
the kid wants to play, and you know this, you
know the and I ask you, okay, can they can
(16:42):
they ask that question in a way or give the
information in a way where the player, you know, decides
to not play, which it would be interesting because I'm
sure there would be the criticism of all, he's soft,
he decided not to play, do so on and so forth,
or the doctor held him out this that another. But
I would wonder have you ever faced a situation where
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you said, look, you need to hold this kid out
based upon what what what this? Do you know? These
symptoms are that that they're going through. And it's on
on on the side of saying it, it's like, okay,
they play, they play. If they don't, they don't. But
on the other side of it, do you feel like
maybe the coaches have held the medical staff accountable for
(17:28):
allowing them to go in and play, regardless of what
maybe you know, the injury was telling you.
Speaker 6 (17:38):
Yeah, I hear that, and it's a complex conversation. But LeVar,
you know this, and you know for football days, eighty
five percent healthy in the NFL is a good day,
it's a good week. And if you're really trying to
wait for people to be one hundred percent and have
no risk, you would have no players in the NFL
and for the NBA as well. So the discussion has had. Look,
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it is incumbent on a team position, on any doctor
to say no any time there is any sort of
permanent or long term risk period, whether it's concussion, spine injury,
long term damage to the knee, etc. Here it's an achilles, Yes,
he needs to be explained. If it ruptures, he's going
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to lose next season and the horrific surgery and recovery
that it's going to take. Yes, but it's not going
to end his career. And I think as a physician,
you're there to serve the player and the player's best interest,
so you have to tell the player everything. Here's the risk.
I can't quantify the achilles sent and risk, but it
might be five percent. Okay, are you willing to take
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a one to twenty percent chance tonight that you're going
to rupt your achilles tendon to play in the NBA Finals?
I mean, look, Jonas LeVar and listeners, how would you
answer that question. I think the majority of people would
say yes, not everyone, and you wouldn't criticize someone for
saying no. But I think if there's a decision to
be made, the decision should be made by the patient
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slash player, and of course the coaches time into this
as well. A lot of times we have a discussion
in season, do you want to play this guy? He
could play, but he's eighty percent on his hamstring? Is
the backup cornerback worth eighty percent this guy? And if
he reaggravates that, you're going to miss him for six weeks?
What's the decision making between the player, the medical and
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the coach Here the coach is going to say and
the player is going to say, it's game seven. Okay,
we'll deal with the consequences after game seven. This is
what we work for and kind of thing. Not pushing
the guy to play, but as soon as he wants
to play. I don't see a team or coach stopping him. Look,
if there's permanent damage where he would never play basketball
again or never walk again, then the doctor should have
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stopped Tyreeth Haliburton period and the discussion. But that's not
the situation here. If it was explained to him what
might happen and the fact that he might lose next season,
and he rolls the dice to try and help his team,
I don't think anyone should be criticized. If anything, Aliburton
should be applauded and saying he left it all out
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there for his team, but unfortunately this has happened.
Speaker 5 (20:19):
He is doctor David Chow joining us here on Fox
Sports Radio. Get him on x at Pro Football Doc
official injury expert for Fox Sports Radio. He's got live
injury analysis at Sports Injury Central. Rather x NFL head
team doctor for seventeen plus years, Doctor Chow, we appreciate
you waking up early and let's do it again soon.
Speaker 6 (20:41):
Thank you. I hope Brady didn't. But blood and achilles and.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
It's not like that, Oh no, no, who knows? Who knows? Yeah,
they're dropping left and right, but no, we appreciate it,
doctor thank you, thank you. There is the great doctor
David Chow that is. It's just.
Speaker 5 (20:58):
It's kind of wild that you basically just kind of
roll the dice. Yeah, this might happen, Like even if
it's just a single percent chance that it might happen,
he really did make the commitment, he made the choice,
and just trying to grab a ball that was out
in front of him and it pops, and that's that
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gone for next year as well too.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
It's pretty curious to think if he didn't play, how
much he would be judged for not playing, And yet
it would have most likely been the right decision to
make twenty twenty. Hindsight, it would have been the right decision.
But getting the opportunity to see him actually fully rupture it,
it's like, oh, he probably shouldn't have played.
Speaker 5 (21:46):
Yeah, And it's they didn't just lose one NBA finals
last night, they lost two. So they lost two NBA
finals because they lost last night and they were significantly
impacted when he went down. And then if he's going
to be out for the entirety of next year, they're
not wanting a title without him next year. Yeah, so
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you basically lost two championships in one night on one
play with one Achilles rough share.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
But you can't hold it against him. No, you know,
one thing you can't do is say that he wasn't there.
He didn't. He tried to get through it. So, yeah,
it's just crazy because we would have been calling him
every bit of a diva. He got no chin and yeah,
super soft, all these different things people would have used
as describing had he not played. And he plays, and
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you know that happens. So it's unfortunate, it really is.
You hate to see that happen to him, But it's
interesting that he did. He did try. He said it
was painful, and they did. Doctor Child said they was
taping that bad boy ut. They was putting all kinds
of tape, all kinds of different areas on his leg.
Man when they was wrapping it up. I don't know
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if you saw that footage, like the pregame, they were
showing him like they were stemming. Then they was wrapping it.
They were doing all kinds of stuff to treat it.
The way I saw them putting the stem on it,
I knew it was his achilles tended, you know, But
that's just that's just wild to see it happened when
I felt it. I felt mine was vibrating, like it
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vibrated for about a month, a good month before it ruptured.
And I literally was not putting any real pressure on
my on my foot when it went. So it had
to have been a thread that I probably was. That
thing was unraveling by the day, you know, so, but
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it was vibrating. I could feel it vibrating like I
could feel it now I can. I can remember in
the Atlanta game, I hit it and it went like
I could feel it going. I was like hey, I
tapped my helmet like hey, hey, I need this up.
I came off the field thing that thing didn't feel right, man.
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And then not not too long after that, like I'm
just standing there, Jason, me and Jason Whitten are engaged
and I'm just standing there and it just went pow.
I could hear it. I heard it. I heard it,
and I thought it was a guy that hit me,
you know. Antonio pierces like, who hit you for? Who
hit you? Who hit you? And we're looking around like
who hit me? Who hit me? What? Who did it?
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I'm looking at Wit and Witten's looking at me. We
went and puts his hands up like, hey, bro, ain't
nobody hit you. I'm looking around like this can't be right.
And then then the realization set in that there was
no one moving away from hitting me. For one for two,
that definitely sounded like I had got gotten hit. I
just popped my Achilles tenant one hundred percent. I got
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to that point. I got to that conclusion pretty quickly
and then just started looking around like here comes t O,
like hey, yok. VARD was like, get out of my face.
Speaker 6 (24:57):
Man.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
I just wanted, like in the last moments, like I
knew that was it. I was done, that was it.
That was my last play, and I knew it was
my last play. That was It kind of sucks. That's wild,
but that's not Halliburton's situation, which is a good thing.
That's not going to be the end of him. But
I just it was definitely the end of me.
Speaker 5 (25:19):
And it does sound like yours was going to go
regardless there was going on. There was no preventative possibility there.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
I was stretching that joint. I was I was rehabing it,
prehabing it, whatever you want to call it. I was
stemming it. I was doing the ice tubs. I was
doing the boots. I was, Jonas, there was not one.
I acupunctured it everything. I did everything that you could
possibly do preventatively to try not to to, you know,
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to rupture it because I felt my heel was tight.
I felt it. I was doing the incline board every
day like for like minutes, like literally ten fifteen minutes.
I'd be stretching that bad boy out, both of them.
Just stretch out, stretch your back out, stretch your it
bands out, stretch you know, stretch your hamstrings, like just
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stretching everything to try to make sure that you were
flexible and not. That thing did not win anyway, damn.
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Joe here on Fox Sports Radio. Coming up, we are
going to have another edition of Lee's Leftovers, though. That'll
be yours here in about ten minutes from now. Tyreek
Hill apparently thinks he's got a lot of stroke, a
lot of say with the Miami Dolphins. He had the
following to say at Fanatics Fest over the weekend in
(28:34):
regards to Jalen Ramsey quote, I'm going to hang out
with Ramsey. I'm going to get him back full court press.
I'm getting him Ramsey back in a Dolphins jersey. I
don't care what they say. It's tampering whatever. We need Ramsey.
He's a dog. He's one of the best corners in
the league. Great leader, great teammate too. That's what he
doesn't get a lot of credit for. We just need
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him on the Dolphins, man. And so that from Tyreek Hill,
which is interesting because apparently, uh, this has already been
set in motion. Jalen Ramsey most likely going to get
dealt by the Dolphins. He prefers to be on the
West Coast. The Rams the Chargers have been rumored as
potential landing spots for Jalen Ramsey.
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But it's just funny, you know.
Speaker 5 (29:17):
Tyreek Hill, after the final game of last year with
the Dolphins want to you know.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
What I mean, So, now what happened here? Wait a second.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
It's like it's like the Spider Man meme. Everybody, every
Spider Man point, every other spider Man like you too.
Hey man, if I'm staying, you got a state.
Speaker 5 (29:43):
It's just it's it's just an interesting turn of events
there because Tyreek Hill wanted nothing to do with the
Dolphins after last year, and now he's the main recruiter.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (29:57):
It's kind of like when when Vegas casinos hires some
who's stolen from them to also work a security It's like, hey,
you know, but we'll welcome me in. Don't worry, Like
even though you were counting cards and trying to screw
us over and screw us out of money, We'll walk
me in and now you can work for us. And
now they're they're calling everything out that they see that
is enough to snuff. Yeah, it's just Tyreek Hills had
(30:20):
a kind of.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
A very interesting season, let's say the least a very
interesting one. I mean, at least Miami fans know he
wants to come back now and not leave the team.
I mean, whether he was upset wanted to leave the team,
or not, which I'll be curious to see how it ends.
Because Stefan Diggs did that after a playoff game, and
(30:47):
what was it two years later he was gone, I
think one year later, one season after. It was one season,
one season after and then he was gone. I wonder
how it to turn out for treek Hill. When Tarik
is on, he's on, and when he's on in Miami
with Tua and Tua is healthy, they're on. They are on.
(31:11):
So you can get over an athlete being upset and
saying he doesn't want to come back or he's at
the end. I feel like whatever it is that happened
with Jalen Ramsey and Mike McDaniel and the organization, it
(31:32):
just seems as though it's not one of those repairable
type of deals. It's like something was said or somebody
felt a certain type of way and there was a
turn off that took place, and now it's just time
to move on. That's the feeling I get. I could
be all the way wrong. Just so everyone's clear, I'm
not basing not off of any concrete, you know, evidence,
(31:54):
I don't want it to be based off of that,
but just seeing historically how Jalen Ramsey handles things. He
seems to be an intensely and fiercely loyal dude. But
if you valulate that he's just as intense and just
as fierce on that disrespect or that you know, whatever
(32:17):
it is, the lack of compliance or whatever it is
that that made him feel the opposite way. I get
that that's his type of energy, Like he's not in
between halfway there, halfway not their type of person.
Speaker 5 (32:30):
It just feels like the same thing I feel about
George Pickens, and I'm for you know, obviously two different careers,
and George Pickens is trying to find his way, you know,
in the NFL Tyreek Hills. You can argue he's already
a Hall of Famer based on his numbers, He's won
a soup, like, all the credentials are there. He's fantastic,
but you're just it only takes one game where they
(32:52):
don't get the ball or they get asked a question
the wrong way following a game in which they struggle,
and then it just sets everything off again. And it
just feels like you're at that point with Tyreek Hill
to where he goes from not wanting to be with
the team at the end of the year. Then he's
apologetic afterwards and says he does want to be with
the team, and then you've got all the other drama
(33:14):
in the off season where you know, they show him
on a balcony holding his young child and there's an
argument that was had or something along those lines, and
then he's wanting to race Noah Lyles, and now he's
trying to petition to keep Jalen Ramsey. With your organization,
it just feels like we're at a point to where
it's going to take one game, one poor performance, and
(33:36):
to your point, it's going to fire off again. It's
just going to take one and then here we go again.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
It's just just how some of these athletes are wired. Man,
they're just wired to when it doesn't go the way
that because they're so ultra competitive, when it doesn't go
the way that they want to go, it can't possibly
be them, that's the reason. Right, So when it doesn't
go right, I didn't get enough balls or you didn't
(34:04):
put me in the right defense to be able to
get it done, Like it just depends on you know,
what the relationship is. And now that makes me wonder, like, Okay,
Jalen Ramsey. It seemingly he wants out. Mike McDaniels seems
to be content and okay with him being out. Is
(34:27):
this a better team with Jalen Ramsey or a better
team without Jalen Ramsey? And I think we would all
come to the conclusion they're a better team with them.
Would would you agree with that? So there has to
be something wrong. There has to be some type of
an issue if you're the Miami Dolphins and you're talking
(34:48):
about we're trying to deal Jalen Ramsey when you're not
a team that's won a Super Bowl, you're not a
team that's even came close to winning the Super Bowl,
and yet you're going to try to deal one your
your better players. It just comes across as what's going on?
What is the culture? You know, we thought that there
was an established culture. Were we wrong? I mean, as
(35:11):
Mike McDaniels, is it is it turning into a Lulu
Liming building? You know? Is it is it turning into
a Cardier Glasses building?
Speaker 3 (35:21):
I mean, what we got super Bowl?
Speaker 5 (35:23):
They haven't won a playoff game since Dan Marino was
a pit like it's been a They've got the longest
playoff drought.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
That mareno took them to the super Bowl. I know,
but they've It's just it's funny.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
It's trying to.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
Give you a little shoto. It was kind of fun.
Shout out to Pittsburgh.
Speaker 5 (35:39):
They've got the longest playoff drought in the NFL. The
Lions had it, and then the Lions started winning playoff games,
and now the Dolphins have it. And I think it's
we're coming up on twenty five years.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
I believe a long time play That's a really long time.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
I was twenty two. I was twenty two years old
at the last time they they want a playoff game.
I think ty look at me on YouTube. Yah, I
think we're a hat today.
Speaker 5 (36:10):
I think Tyreek Hill was five. It's like, so, yeah,
they got some work to do. It is two pros
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It truly is the start of summer.
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Looking at a heat wave going across the country in
triple digits here in so Cow as well as all
of rest of the country.
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Uh yeah, we got heat waves.
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Be in the South Bay. Does it give that in particular?
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Yeah, you got any South Bay weather?
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Let's see ye period, let's see, let's see you're gonna
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it's looking nice down in the South Bay.
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There if you would, if you were in studio today
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Yeah, there's a there's there's an accident out here, and
they're showing the map and you know that there's some
probably some stuff lying on the road that they don't
want people to see. Why people, Yeah, because it is
closed off for miles before you even get to where
the crash happened. So there's stuff all over the place.
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So they got to get that sorted out.
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of testimony. The prosecutors will close their case today closing arguments,
and then we'll get the defense after that.
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Is a rico?
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Trafficking. Yeah, it doesn't seem like that is all they're
talking about. Is the freak off?
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For being a freak basically? Yeah, part of it. I
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Do you really think he's gonna walk?
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That's funny. I mean I bet you there's that's going
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(01:09):
We're also going to catch up with doctor David chaw
here in just a few moments from now, how to
find out exactly why the hell, these Achilles injuries seem
to be happening the conversation away from the fact that
the Oklahoma City Thunder won the NBA Championship last night.
And I don't know if anybody's going to go this direction.
(01:31):
Do you take away a little bit of the luster
or credibility of them winning the title based on Tyrese
Haliburton getting injured? I don't, but I think that some
people might go that direction.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
I mean, I think you could make an argument that
if Halliburton, the way he was playing before he went
down is still in the game, it could have been
a different outcome. But again, they bounced back, they rallied
in the second quarter, and they outscored okay See in
the second quarter. You can't say because Tyrese Aliburton was
(02:08):
out that they had the horrible third quarter that they
did just horrible timing, just bad timing to have that
bad of a showing in a quarter of basketball, and
they just were ultimately unable to recover from how poorly
(02:28):
they played in the third quarter of the game. And
you know, okay See was able to build on on
not only the poor play of Indiana in terms of
protecting the ball. You know, rebounding the ball, you know,
closing out on defense. But they they played, you know,
(02:50):
they out hustled them. They they were able to find
a way to extend the lead in the fourth quarter
and ultimately just make it too big of a deficit
for them to, you know, to get back in it.
There were still moments in the fourth quarter. I think
(03:12):
they got it down to as low as twelve points
in the fourth quarter, I want to say, I mean,
there were times where they got it down to a manageable,
a manageable deficit when they were I can recall when
it was at that twelve points. They had the ball
and they had an offensive sequence, and if they score
(03:34):
on a sequence, it's it's a one digit deal. It's
a one digit deal. Possibly, potentially it could have been
nine if they got the three they scored as ten,
but you're still five possessions away if you score two,
and obviously cut that down into you know, three possessions
if you're shooting three. So they just weren't getting the
(03:57):
offensive production that they needed. They weren't protecting the ball,
they couldn't find continuity and rhythm in their offensive sets.
And could Halliburton have made it easier for them to
be able to establish offensive sets. Could it have made
it easier for Topping and and Siakam and company to
(04:20):
be able to, you know, Miles to get better, better opportunities,
better looks at the at the rim to shoot. Sure,
he definitely would have made a difference. That's why he's
considered to be one of the you know, the biggest
star on the team. But what that had been the
catalysts of them winning the game? Can you use that
(04:43):
as a discussion point? You can use it how feasible
it is? I don't know.
Speaker 5 (04:49):
SGA spoke after his NBA Championship, his NBA Finals MVP
and performance regular season MVP season, but he it was
obviously the first to check on Tyreese Halliburton to see
how he was doing and how he was in that moment,
was SGA? And no, that would not that would not happen,
(05:13):
definitely not. But he was there first on the scene
to check on Tyrese Haliburton, who knew pretty immediately after
it went down that he was in some trouble and
that the season was over, the series was over for him.
And then now the conversation becomes what about next year?
Potentially next year would be over for him. By the way,
(05:35):
when you mentioned earlier Lebar as somebody who went through
the Achilles injury yourself, When they keep showing it over
and over again, do you get the flashbacks? Do you
get the sensation again? Because I can remember the first
time I saw somebody dislocate their kneecap. After I did it,
I could almost feel it again, like if just seeing it,
(05:55):
I could recognize right away, Oh, that's a dislocated kneecap,
because I think it was Andrew who dislocated his kneecap,
and I remember seeing it and thinking, oh, yeah, I
know what that is, just based on having gone through
it myself. So I don't know if you if any
of those flashbacks pop up for you seeing this stuff.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Don't know that I flashed back, but I can feel
the pain of it, you know, Like I'm like, ah,
I feel bad for him. Like when I saw it pop,
I was like, oh man, and you just know I immediately,
I mean, I guess you could call it a flashback.
I mean I immediately thought about how painful it was
(06:34):
and how long it took for it to heal, you know,
And there's just a lot of there's a lot that
goes into an achilles tendon, tear man a full full rupture,
and that's just again, I was, you know, sad to
see it happened to him. I was curious, was it
the same leg that he had to strain on, same
(06:57):
exact leg? So it was maybe it was trying to
tell him like you needed to, you know, you need
to take a load off, like you need to shut
it down. They made it a point to talk about
how he didn't want to. He would have regretted it.
He would have lived, you know, with that regret. I mean,
I guess ultimately to be able to say, you know,
(07:17):
I actually blew it out. I fully ruptured, you know,
because a strain is a tear. You know, a strain
is a tear. Yeah, So you know, to sacrifice it
that way, I mean, it's it's admirable that he went
out so to speak on his shield.
Speaker 5 (07:34):
Now let's turn it over to an expert in the field,
the one and only doctor David Chow joining us here
on Fox Sports Radio, Official injury expert for Fox Sports Radio,
and he's got live injury analysis at Sports Injury Central.
Ex NFL head team doctor for seventeen plus years as well. Doctor,
good morning, thanks for popping on with us here on
(07:56):
Monday morning.
Speaker 6 (07:57):
Thanks for having me, guys, But I don't know that
you even need me. LeVar has got this, I mean, because.
Speaker 5 (08:05):
That is the question, right is did the calf strain?
Was that the lead up to this? In what happened
last night to Tyres Alliburton.
Speaker 6 (08:15):
Yeah, there's a couple of other additional aspects. But you know,
I just have to flash back a little bit. When
I started, you know, stopped in the NFL and I
started doing injury analysis off a video literally off my
couch before it was a business sports Injury Central. I
got so much hate that man, you're on your couch.
How do you know what he had? There's no way.
(08:36):
And now we got LeVar, We got all these people
saying yep, in the media saying yep, that's what it is,
That's what it looked like. And so it's come a
long way. But here's the point with this. First of
all AFRI game too. Remember he limped off the stage
and the next day he was seen with all this
tape at a practice moving stiffly. At that point in
(08:57):
time that Sports Indy Central sic score dot Com. We're
saying he's got achilles tennanitis and tennanitis. A strain is
a partial tear. As LeVar says later in the series,
he had a calf muscle, is what he said. Injury.
But remember twenty nineteen Kevin Durant, it was a calf
(09:20):
muscle and we were saying it was an Achilles partial
tear and it became full. This is eerily similar. But
in no way, shape or form am I criticizing the
Pacers or Halli burden for trying to play. LeVar. You
know this. You would have played through a Super Bowl
with whatever injury, and this was the Super Bowl, right,
this is Game seven, And to be fair, he helped
(09:44):
get him to Game seven, a great games. You know,
played through a Game six that was tough, and other
games to get him there. So it's a little bit
vacxi driving to say, well, he shouldn't have been playing.
I mean, the unfortunate side of this is the biggest
loss of the Pacer is not the NBA Finals, but
they're gonna lose him for basically all of next season
(10:06):
with this recovery. You know this, LeVar, you know how
hard the recovery is. I mean, it's June. Okay, you
know this is not an October injury. It's June. He's
gonna miss all next season. That's the biggest regret, but
you know it is what it is.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Unfortunately, Doc, when you see an injury like that take
place and the conversation of you would have played, and
you would have played, how do you look at it
from the standpoint of on the other side of it,
He clearly does not tear his or fully rupture his
(10:46):
Achilles tendon if they hold him out if he doesn't play,
you never knew that he would have toured when he
did play. But how do you have that type of
conversation with a player? Are are you able to medically
explain when you hear that achilles tendonitis that type of conversation.
(11:09):
Are is there a way for medically it to be
explained to the athlete where you say, listen, man, if
you go out there, the wrong move or are at
the wrong time, like your Achilles tendant will rupture and
here are the the elements that you're facing moving forward.
Speaker 6 (11:30):
Well, I think you can try. You can't predict the future,
but I'm sure you've had these conversations before. In the NFL,
and I've had them with a lot of players. It's
a simple concept called informed consent. This is what the
risks are. I famously had one with Philip Rivers about
his tornycl six days after an e scope against the
(11:51):
Patriots and an AFC Championship gag informed consent about what
your risks are, et cetera, and he was very firm
on wanting to play through. I'm sure that conversation was
had with Tyrese Halpert if I from AFAR can say
he's got Achilles tend ightis and you know, like eleven
days ago we posted a video talking about a risk
(12:12):
of Achilles and in rupture. That risk wasn't fifty percent
or ninety percent. It was a single digit risk, but
unfortunately a single digit risk through four games, five games,
it caught up to him and unfortunately happened. I'm sure
Kevin Durant had the same conversation with doctors at Golden
(12:32):
State in twenty nineteen. In twenty nineteen, we said when
he came back, we thought he came back early, Kevin
Durant from his injury, and we were saying the ball
no longer goes through Kevin duran it goes through Steph Curry,
but as soon as Steph Curry went to the bench,
the ball went through Kevin Durant and he popped his achilles.
(12:53):
It's a sudden, eccentric load, quick movement, which is what
basketball is all about, right, And so how do you
put a guy out there and then say you just
can't do X certain things. It's just natural and the
step that he made was not that horrific, but unfortunately
it popped. It happened. The footnote on this, I'll say, guys,
(13:13):
at least we're not talking about the same things we
did in twenty nineteen. In twenty nineteen, most of the
world I think said Kevin Durant will never be the
same again. And I think I came on Fox Sports
Radio prior to this version of the show and said, no,
I think I would give him a Max contract. I
think he will be Kevin Durant again, but it won't
be for a year. So at least we're not having
(13:36):
that conversation about Haliburt. Will he be back. I think
he fully will be back, but it'll lose all of
next season to get there.
Speaker 5 (13:44):
Doctor David Chow joining us here on Fox Sports Radio
LeVar Arrington Jonas Knox.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
With you here on FSR.
Speaker 5 (13:50):
So, is it me or have we seen an uptick
on Achilles injuries recently? And I don't know if that's
just because we've got more video and we've got more
television and we've got more opportunity to view it, camrangles, whatever.
But I don't recall there being specifically in the NBA
(14:12):
this many Achilles injuries back in the day, so to speak.
And you know, I was talking with somebody last night about, well,
you know, could it be the shoes? Could it be
is it the floor? Was the floor slick? But I
just don't recall this being a topic of conversation or
a concern back in the day.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
Was it for you?
Speaker 5 (14:31):
And have we seen that an uptick in the achilles
injuries in the NBA in recent memory?
Speaker 6 (14:36):
Well, what we have seen is a definite pick in
these NBA playoffs, right and when you have it happened
to three star players Nyse Halliburton, Jason Tatum, Damian Lillard.
That was all this NBA playoffs, So of course there's
a lot more attention to it. There's a guy that
keeps some stats. I don't keep all the numbers. Jeff
(14:59):
Stotts that said, there's an eight Achilles ten and ruptures
this season in the NBA, and the previous high was five.
So if you take that, he said, well, that's an uptick,
but that's not statistically significant. Is it a little bit
of an outlier season? Yes, earlier a couple of weeks ago,
I had on the great Bob Anderson, Robert Anderson, and
(15:21):
I don't know if you're familiar with him, LeVar, he's
sort of the number one foot and ankle doctor for
pro sports. He had him on my podcast. He's on
the NFL Foot and Ankle Committee and shoot Committee and
studies all this stuff, and he distinctly says he does
not has not seen an uptick, and he does basketball
(15:41):
as well as football, et cetera. An uptick in Achilles injuries,
if you take it across time, he doesn't see that. Anecdotally.
I do think we know more about injuries, and look,
Liz frank and midfoot have become common. My ankle sprain
has become common term as opposed to a low ankle spring.
(16:02):
There is more tension because there is better video, there's
better TV, et cetera. And there's no question. As players
get bigger, faster, stronger, we find new different ways. But
we haven't truly seen an uptick in achilles tendon ruptures
over time perst Sey. According to doctor Anderson, you.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Know, my last question would would be and looking at
how this happened. It's one thing to say, okay, you
have a educated consent and different things like that, and
the kid wants to play, and you know this, you
know the and I ask you, okay, can they can
(16:42):
they ask that question in a way or give the
information in a way where the player, you know, decides
to not play, which it would be interesting because I'm
sure there would be the criticism of all, he's soft,
he decided not to play, do so on and so forth,
or the doctor held him out this that another. But
I would wonder have you ever faced a situation where
(17:05):
you said, look, you need to hold this kid out
based upon what what what this? Do you know? These
symptoms are that that they're going through. And it's on
on on the side of saying it, it's like, okay,
they play, they play. If they don't, they don't. But
on the other side of it, do you feel like
maybe the coaches have held the medical staff accountable for
(17:28):
allowing them to go in and play, regardless of what
maybe you know, the injury was telling you.
Speaker 6 (17:38):
Yeah, I hear that, and it's a complex conversation. But LeVar,
you know this, and you know for football days, eighty
five percent healthy in the NFL is a good day,
it's a good week. And if you're really trying to
wait for people to be one hundred percent and have
no risk, you would have no players in the NFL
and for the NBA as well. So the discussion has had. Look,
(18:02):
it is incumbent on a team position, on any doctor
to say no any time there is any sort of
permanent or long term risk period, whether it's concussion, spine injury,
long term damage to the knee, etc. Here it's an achilles, Yes,
he needs to be explained. If it ruptures, he's going
(18:23):
to lose next season and the horrific surgery and recovery
that it's going to take. Yes, but it's not going
to end his career. And I think as a physician,
you're there to serve the player and the player's best interest,
so you have to tell the player everything. Here's the risk.
I can't quantify the achilles sent and risk, but it
might be five percent. Okay, are you willing to take
(18:45):
a one to twenty percent chance tonight that you're going
to rupt your achilles tendon to play in the NBA Finals?
I mean, look, Jonas LeVar and listeners, how would you
answer that question. I think the majority of people would
say yes, not everyone, and you wouldn't criticize someone for
saying no. But I think if there's a decision to
be made, the decision should be made by the patient
(19:09):
slash player, and of course the coaches time into this
as well. A lot of times we have a discussion
in season, do you want to play this guy? He
could play, but he's eighty percent on his hamstring? Is
the backup cornerback worth eighty percent this guy? And if
he reaggravates that, you're going to miss him for six weeks?
What's the decision making between the player, the medical and
(19:31):
the coach Here the coach is going to say and
the player is going to say, it's game seven. Okay,
we'll deal with the consequences after game seven. This is
what we work for and kind of thing. Not pushing
the guy to play, but as soon as he wants
to play. I don't see a team or coach stopping him. Look,
if there's permanent damage where he would never play basketball
again or never walk again, then the doctor should have
(19:54):
stopped Tyreeth Haliburton period and the discussion. But that's not
the situation here. If it was explained to him what
might happen and the fact that he might lose next season,
and he rolls the dice to try and help his team,
I don't think anyone should be criticized. If anything, Aliburton
should be applauded and saying he left it all out
(20:15):
there for his team, but unfortunately this has happened.
Speaker 5 (20:19):
He is doctor David Chow joining us here on Fox
Sports Radio. Get him on x at Pro Football Doc
official injury expert for Fox Sports Radio. He's got live
injury analysis at Sports Injury Central. Rather x NFL head
team doctor for seventeen plus years, Doctor Chow, we appreciate
you waking up early and let's do it again soon.
Speaker 6 (20:41):
Thank you. I hope Brady didn't. But blood and achilles and.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
It's not like that, Oh no, no, who knows? Who knows? Yeah,
they're dropping left and right, but no, we appreciate it,
doctor thank you, thank you. There is the great doctor
David Chow that is. It's just.
Speaker 5 (20:58):
It's kind of wild that you basically just kind of
roll the dice. Yeah, this might happen, Like even if
it's just a single percent chance that it might happen,
he really did make the commitment, he made the choice,
and just trying to grab a ball that was out
in front of him and it pops, and that's that
(21:21):
gone for next year as well too.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
It's pretty curious to think if he didn't play, how
much he would be judged for not playing, And yet
it would have most likely been the right decision to
make twenty twenty. Hindsight, it would have been the right decision.
But getting the opportunity to see him actually fully rupture it,
it's like, oh, he probably shouldn't have played.
Speaker 5 (21:46):
Yeah, And it's they didn't just lose one NBA finals
last night, they lost two. So they lost two NBA
finals because they lost last night and they were significantly
impacted when he went down. And then if he's going
to be out for the entirety of next year, they're
not wanting a title without him next year. Yeah, so
(22:06):
you basically lost two championships in one night on one
play with one Achilles rough share.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
But you can't hold it against him. No, you know,
one thing you can't do is say that he wasn't there.
He didn't. He tried to get through it. So, yeah,
it's just crazy because we would have been calling him
every bit of a diva. He got no chin and yeah,
super soft, all these different things people would have used
as describing had he not played. And he plays, and
(22:34):
you know that happens. So it's unfortunate, it really is.
You hate to see that happen to him, But it's
interesting that he did. He did try. He said it
was painful, and they did. Doctor Child said they was
taping that bad boy ut. They was putting all kinds
of tape, all kinds of different areas on his leg.
Man when they was wrapping it up. I don't know
(22:55):
if you saw that footage, like the pregame, they were
showing him like they were stemming. Then they was wrapping it.
They were doing all kinds of stuff to treat it.
The way I saw them putting the stem on it,
I knew it was his achilles tended, you know, But
that's just that's just wild to see it happened when
I felt it. I felt mine was vibrating, like it
(23:17):
vibrated for about a month, a good month before it ruptured.
And I literally was not putting any real pressure on
my on my foot when it went. So it had
to have been a thread that I probably was. That
thing was unraveling by the day, you know, so, but
(23:39):
it was vibrating. I could feel it vibrating like I
could feel it now I can. I can remember in
the Atlanta game, I hit it and it went like
I could feel it going. I was like hey, I
tapped my helmet like hey, hey, I need this up.
I came off the field thing that thing didn't feel right, man.
(24:02):
And then not not too long after that, like I'm
just standing there, Jason, me and Jason Whitten are engaged
and I'm just standing there and it just went pow.
I could hear it. I heard it. I heard it,
and I thought it was a guy that hit me,
you know. Antonio pierces like, who hit you for? Who
hit you? Who hit you? And we're looking around like
who hit me? Who hit me? What? Who did it?
(24:24):
I'm looking at Wit and Witten's looking at me. We
went and puts his hands up like, hey, bro, ain't
nobody hit you. I'm looking around like this can't be right.
And then then the realization set in that there was
no one moving away from hitting me. For one for two,
that definitely sounded like I had got gotten hit. I
just popped my Achilles tenant one hundred percent. I got
(24:46):
to that point. I got to that conclusion pretty quickly
and then just started looking around like here comes t O,
like hey, yok. VARD was like, get out of my face.
Speaker 6 (24:57):
Man.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
I just wanted, like in the last moments, like I
knew that was it. I was done, that was it.
That was my last play, and I knew it was
my last play. That was It kind of sucks. That's wild,
but that's not Halliburton's situation, which is a good thing.
That's not going to be the end of him. But
I just it was definitely the end of me.
Speaker 5 (25:19):
And it does sound like yours was going to go
regardless there was going on. There was no preventative possibility there.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
I was stretching that joint. I was I was rehabing it,
prehabing it, whatever you want to call it. I was
stemming it. I was doing the ice tubs. I was
doing the boots. I was, Jonas, there was not one.
I acupunctured it everything. I did everything that you could
possibly do preventatively to try not to to, you know,
(25:49):
to rupture it because I felt my heel was tight.
I felt it. I was doing the incline board every
day like for like minutes, like literally ten fifteen minutes.
I'd be stretching that bad boy out, both of them.
Just stretch out, stretch your back out, stretch your it
bands out, stretch you know, stretch your hamstrings, like just
(26:11):
stretching everything to try to make sure that you were
flexible and not. That thing did not win anyway, damn.
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All Right, it is two pros and a cup of
Joe here on Fox Sports Radio. Coming up, we are
going to have another edition of Lee's Leftovers, though. That'll
be yours here in about ten minutes from now. Tyreek
Hill apparently thinks he's got a lot of stroke, a
lot of say with the Miami Dolphins. He had the
following to say at Fanatics Fest over the weekend in
(28:34):
regards to Jalen Ramsey quote, I'm going to hang out
with Ramsey. I'm going to get him back full court press.
I'm getting him Ramsey back in a Dolphins jersey. I
don't care what they say. It's tampering whatever. We need Ramsey.
He's a dog. He's one of the best corners in
the league. Great leader, great teammate too. That's what he
doesn't get a lot of credit for. We just need
(28:56):
him on the Dolphins, man. And so that from Tyreek Hill,
which is interesting because apparently, uh, this has already been
set in motion. Jalen Ramsey most likely going to get
dealt by the Dolphins. He prefers to be on the
West Coast. The Rams the Chargers have been rumored as
potential landing spots for Jalen Ramsey.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
But it's just funny, you know.
Speaker 5 (29:17):
Tyreek Hill, after the final game of last year with
the Dolphins want to you know.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
What I mean, So, now what happened here? Wait a second.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
It's like it's like the Spider Man meme. Everybody, every
Spider Man point, every other spider Man like you too.
Hey man, if I'm staying, you got a state.
Speaker 5 (29:43):
It's just it's it's just an interesting turn of events
there because Tyreek Hill wanted nothing to do with the
Dolphins after last year, and now he's the main recruiter.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (29:57):
It's kind of like when when Vegas casinos hires some
who's stolen from them to also work a security It's like, hey,
you know, but we'll welcome me in. Don't worry, Like
even though you were counting cards and trying to screw
us over and screw us out of money, We'll walk
me in and now you can work for us. And
now they're they're calling everything out that they see that
is enough to snuff. Yeah, it's just Tyreek Hills had
(30:20):
a kind of.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
A very interesting season, let's say the least a very
interesting one. I mean, at least Miami fans know he
wants to come back now and not leave the team.
I mean, whether he was upset wanted to leave the team,
or not, which I'll be curious to see how it ends.
Because Stefan Diggs did that after a playoff game, and
(30:47):
what was it two years later he was gone, I
think one year later, one season after. It was one season,
one season after and then he was gone. I wonder
how it to turn out for treek Hill. When Tarik
is on, he's on, and when he's on in Miami
with Tua and Tua is healthy, they're on. They are on.
(31:11):
So you can get over an athlete being upset and
saying he doesn't want to come back or he's at
the end. I feel like whatever it is that happened
with Jalen Ramsey and Mike McDaniel and the organization, it
(31:32):
just seems as though it's not one of those repairable
type of deals. It's like something was said or somebody
felt a certain type of way and there was a
turn off that took place, and now it's just time
to move on. That's the feeling I get. I could
be all the way wrong. Just so everyone's clear, I'm
not basing not off of any concrete, you know, evidence,
(31:54):
I don't want it to be based off of that,
but just seeing historically how Jalen Ramsey handles things. He
seems to be an intensely and fiercely loyal dude. But
if you valulate that he's just as intense and just
as fierce on that disrespect or that you know, whatever
(32:17):
it is, the lack of compliance or whatever it is
that that made him feel the opposite way. I get
that that's his type of energy, Like he's not in
between halfway there, halfway not their type of person.
Speaker 5 (32:30):
It just feels like the same thing I feel about
George Pickens, and I'm for you know, obviously two different careers,
and George Pickens is trying to find his way, you know,
in the NFL Tyreek Hills. You can argue he's already
a Hall of Famer based on his numbers, He's won
a soup, like, all the credentials are there. He's fantastic,
but you're just it only takes one game where they
(32:52):
don't get the ball or they get asked a question
the wrong way following a game in which they struggle,
and then it just sets everything off again. And it
just feels like you're at that point with Tyreek Hill
to where he goes from not wanting to be with
the team at the end of the year. Then he's
apologetic afterwards and says he does want to be with
the team, and then you've got all the other drama
(33:14):
in the off season where you know, they show him
on a balcony holding his young child and there's an
argument that was had or something along those lines, and
then he's wanting to race Noah Lyles, and now he's
trying to petition to keep Jalen Ramsey. With your organization,
it just feels like we're at a point to where
it's going to take one game, one poor performance, and
(33:36):
to your point, it's going to fire off again. It's
just going to take one and then here we go again.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
It's just just how some of these athletes are wired. Man,
they're just wired to when it doesn't go the way
that because they're so ultra competitive, when it doesn't go
the way that they want to go, it can't possibly
be them, that's the reason. Right, So when it doesn't
go right, I didn't get enough balls or you didn't
(34:04):
put me in the right defense to be able to
get it done, Like it just depends on you know,
what the relationship is. And now that makes me wonder, like, Okay,
Jalen Ramsey. It seemingly he wants out. Mike McDaniels seems
to be content and okay with him being out. Is
(34:27):
this a better team with Jalen Ramsey or a better
team without Jalen Ramsey? And I think we would all
come to the conclusion they're a better team with them.
Would would you agree with that? So there has to
be something wrong. There has to be some type of
an issue if you're the Miami Dolphins and you're talking
(34:48):
about we're trying to deal Jalen Ramsey when you're not
a team that's won a Super Bowl, you're not a
team that's even came close to winning the Super Bowl,
and yet you're going to try to deal one your
your better players. It just comes across as what's going on?
What is the culture? You know, we thought that there
was an established culture. Were we wrong? I mean, as
(35:11):
Mike McDaniels, is it is it turning into a Lulu
Liming building? You know? Is it is it turning into
a Cardier Glasses building?
Speaker 3 (35:21):
I mean, what we got super Bowl?
Speaker 5 (35:23):
They haven't won a playoff game since Dan Marino was
a pit like it's been a They've got the longest
playoff drought.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
That mareno took them to the super Bowl. I know,
but they've It's just it's funny.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
It's trying to.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
Give you a little shoto. It was kind of fun.
Shout out to Pittsburgh.
Speaker 5 (35:39):
They've got the longest playoff drought in the NFL. The
Lions had it, and then the Lions started winning playoff games,
and now the Dolphins have it. And I think it's
we're coming up on twenty five years.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
I believe a long time play That's a really long time.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
I was twenty two. I was twenty two years old
at the last time they they want a playoff game.
I think ty look at me on YouTube. Yah, I
think we're a hat today.
Speaker 5 (36:10):
I think Tyreek Hill was five. It's like, so, yeah,
they got some work to do. It is two pros
and a cup of Joe here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
Guess some work to do. Player work work.
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A little fun.
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That sounds incredible, but they're still good. Time to find
out what's left. It's Lee's lap job, all right, d
lap What do we got?
Speaker 6 (37:46):
Man?
Speaker 3 (37:46):
It truly is the start of summer.
Speaker 9 (37:48):
Looking at a heat wave going across the country in
triple digits here in so Cow as well as all
of rest of the country.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
Uh yeah, we got heat waves.
Speaker 9 (37:55):
Okay, looking at it right now on the old doppler.
Uh yeah, So everybody stay cool out there, go kicking
by the pool like must.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
Be in the South Bay. Does it give that in particular?
Speaker 3 (38:09):
Yeah, you got any South Bay weather?
Speaker 4 (38:11):
Let's see ye period, let's see, let's see you're gonna
be yeah, just cracking into the eighties today, looking like
it's looking nice down in the South Bay.
Speaker 9 (38:21):
It'd be hard to get there because, uh we'll go
from weather to traffic.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
It would be hard to get.
Speaker 9 (38:26):
There if you would, if you were in studio today
because southbound four five is closed down.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
Yeah, gnarly crash.
Speaker 5 (38:32):
Yeah, there's a there's there's an accident out here, and
they're showing the map and you know that there's some
probably some stuff lying on the road that they don't
want people to see. Why people, Yeah, because it is
closed off for miles before you even get to where
the crash happened. So there's stuff all over the place.
(38:52):
So they got to get that sorted out.
Speaker 9 (38:55):
But you know what else we got me, Well, let's
get a little update on the diddy k. The prosecution
is closing their case on the ditty six weeks after
of testimony. The prosecutors will close their case today closing arguments,
and then we'll get the defense after that.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
So we'll get some more updates as the week goes on.
What is this for? Like what exactly a racket?
Speaker 1 (39:19):
Is a rico?
Speaker 9 (39:20):
Like racketeering, racketearing, trafficking, assault, some other stuff that I
have deleted.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
Trafficking. Yeah, it doesn't seem like that is all they're
talking about. Is the freak off?
Speaker 3 (39:35):
Yeah, Like I don't like what is he actually there's
a trow.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
For being a freak basically? Yeah, part of it. I
don't know, man, I think he's going to walk.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
Do you really think he's gonna walk?
Speaker 1 (39:50):
Yeah? I think he's going to walk sticks. That's funny.
That's funny. I mean I bet you there's that's going
in on it. He's gonna walk
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