June 24, 2025 • 40 mins
With Achilles injuries to Tyrese Haliburton, Jayson Tatum and Damian Lillard, the Cavs and Knicks have inside tracks to the Easter Conference Finals. NFL Insider Pete Prisco talks about his Top 100 Players and offseason storylines. Plus, going colorblind and Lee’s Leftovers.
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you know listen, we talked. We opened up the show
Gilbert Arenas was on the Dan Patrick Show, which you
can hear on many of these Fox Sports radio affiliates,
and he was speaking to Dan about what we'll remember
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from this NBA Finals matchup, and he kind of discussed
these small markets, et cetera, et cetera, and our whole
point on it was, well, look, the NFL doesn't really
have these problems. It's its own ecosystem, its own universe.
So a small market like a Kansas City or a
Green Bay, that's that's huge in the NFL. But you
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know in the NBA there there clearly are people that
were unhappy with the matchup. Even though Game seven had
a monster that we discussed earlier sixteen million, I believe
it was still down from previous years, and some people
have pointed to the market size for that being the
reaction or that being the reason why and all of
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this is happening. Then on top of that, you've got
Tyrese Haliburton going down with the injury. And there is
one team who might benefit from the injury, and it's
a team that was referenced in the market size and
the problem in the NBA earlier, and that would be
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the Cleveland Cavaliers So the Cleveland Cavaliers, who themselves have
been hit with the bad luck injury bug from multiple
playoffs in a row again this year, clearly not one
hundred percent. Clearly not one hundred percent last year in
the postseason, and the team that a lot of people
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thought had the goods to be an NBA Finals team
this year, all of a sudden finds them in a
conference where Halliburton's going to be out for all of
next year because of the achilles, Jason Tatum's going to
be out for all of next year because of the achilles.
Damian Lillard's going to be out for all of next
year because of the achilles.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
If those teams, our.
Speaker 5 (03:17):
Holiday won't even be there next year because of nothing
other than he just won't be there.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
But it's interesting how Cleveland's been on the short end
of the stick when it comes to injury luck. Yet
if they look around their own conference right now, that's
three teams potential threats to make a run at the finals,
and Cleveland's sitting there going well, we don't have those
long term injury concerns. We just hit a bad run
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of injury luck in the postseason this year and last year.
All of a sudden, the Cavs are looking around as
the favorite to win the East and the only team
within proximity to them is the New York Knicks. And
it's the Knicks, so you could always just bank on
them screw it up at some point. Anyways, So Cleveland
looking around, going, do we just stumble upon a little
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bit of injury luck of our own? And now that
that could potentially be another small market team getting to
the NBA Finals based on what has happened to their
conference with all these superstars going down with the same injury.
Speaker 5 (04:21):
That sucked a crazy qualifier. Just get ready for the
season and go out there, play and win, right. I Mean,
what you're saying is has some accuracy to it.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
The East has.
Speaker 5 (04:36):
Been considered to be the more, you know, the weaker
of the two, you know, out of the East and
the West conference. But I mean when you break it
down that way and you look at the you know,
like Yannis being unhappy, will he even be back?
Speaker 4 (04:55):
You know?
Speaker 5 (04:55):
And then you're looking at like you said with with Tatum,
and you're looking at what took place with Halliburton. I mean, man,
that's just that's hard to bounce back from. You know,
if you're a team and your franchise guy goes down
and he's not going to be around, sure you're gonna
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look for guys. Maybe this is Jalen Brown's time to
separate himself, you know, and and maybe he claims the
title of being, you know, the franchise guy uncontested for
for the Boston Celtics. Maybe somebody steps up and they
do something that was unexpected on on one of these teams.
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But you gotta think if it is the New York Knicks,
if it is the Cleveland Cleveland Cavaliers, who I believe
they just find a way to come up short.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
Because this was, to me.
Speaker 5 (05:49):
I felt like the perfect year for them to be
able to actually compete and contend for for the title,
and it just didn't.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
It didn't unfold that way.
Speaker 5 (06:00):
But going in the next year, some of these teams
are already crippled by injury. Go figure, you're not even
in the new season. Crazy, you have to say they're
already crippled by injuries. This is where coaching comes into play, right, Like,
let's be clear, this is where GM work comes into
play and scouting reports come into play. You got to
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be able to bring in the type of personnel where
you don't fall that far off that the drop off
is is minimum until that that star gets back. That's
doing your job, you know, figuring out how how to
call a game like this was a tremendous miss by
Carlisle in the Championship round, a tremendous miss because it
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was going to take coaching to get it to that
Game seven, which it did, But then it was going
to take coaching to win game seven with or without Haliburton,
with or without him, that.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
Is the coach, right, Carlisle, Yeah, Rick Carlisle.
Speaker 5 (07:03):
I mean, yeah, I just I just that's to me,
that's how I feel about it. Jonas. So when you
think about it, these teams that have those holes that
they have to feel you at least have a whole
entire offseason to dress it and set the tone for
what that's going to look like. Not having those guys
right away or even for the entirety of.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
The season, there's nothing worse as a fan because like
if you have if like say, your your NFL team
loses their star player in training camp for the rest
of the year or a significant amount of time, or
even last year when the Lions lost Aiden Hutchinson early
in the year. It was like, well, if they get
to the super Bowl, he might come back. It's like, no,
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he's done for the year. It's over. Like he's just
not coming back. Immediately before the season even really gets going,
or before the season even starts, your team is most
likely out.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Like with that, like the seasons not even here.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
To your point, we're not even at the draft yet
in the NBA, and you know for a pretty good
certainty that the Celtics, the Bucks, and the Pacers are
more than likely not going to the finals next year.
It's just like, we're not even we're not even out
of June, and you know what next year is going
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to look like.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
Well, look at it like this.
Speaker 5 (08:24):
If those injuries made you temper your expectations that far,
you doubt them back that far. Then to me, for one,
you weren't that good of a team. For one, you're
not that well built, even though one player can make
the difference in basketball, but I just don't think your
team is built as good as you thought it was.
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If a guy goes down, even if it's your main guy,
and you can't still be competitive, that's one. But for two,
if it does take your fan base down that far
based upon that main player's injury, then you only have
up to.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
Go from rock bottom.
Speaker 5 (09:02):
Well, I can't. You can't underperform. You're going to outperform
the expectations anyway. So that's not a bad way to
go into the season if your team.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
I wonder how Eagles fans were when Carson Wentz got
injured and was out for the year, because that was
a super Bowl caliber team. Carson Wentz was most likely
the MVP of the NFL that year. He was playing fantastic.
It was late in the year and he blows out
his knee trying to scramble to get into the end
zone against the Rams, and I wonder afterwards, when it
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comes out in real time, blew his knee out, done
for the year. I wonder how many Eagles fans actually thought,
now we've still got a chance to win it all.
Now we've still got a chance, We've got Nick Foles,
we got an opportunity, we can go win a Super Bowl.
Still like that deflated everybody. And in the NBA, it
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feels like you go through an injury like that, and
maybe it's because of the percentage of your darting five.
You lose a Halliburton, that's twenty percent of your starting five.
That's a big impact. But in the NFL, you know,
we've seen Jeff Hostetler back in the day when Phil
Simms got injured, Jeff Hostetler and the Giants went on
to win.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
A Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
We've seen the Eagles. You know, Carson Wentz goes down,
Nick Foles steps up and wins a Super Bowl. It
doesn't happen a lot, but it seems like in the
NBA when that happens, that's a wrap to where in
the NFL you just have to get creative and find
new ways to try and win games.
Speaker 5 (10:30):
It just can't be. It has to be the same way.
It has to be the same approach, whether you like
it or not, whether it hasn't happened or not yet,
it still has to be the same approach. It's always
got to be the next man up. It's always I
wonder if they used the term in basketball, like, oh,
you know, there it is Haliburton went down, riversad. You know, oh,
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there goes Tatum, riversad.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
Move it down of the court.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
It's not I mean, listen, I'll give the Pacers credit.
They played well in the second quarter. They had the
lead at halftime, and they were Somebody on the broadcast
was like, yeah, the Pacers were walking into the locker
room at halftime. They're like, we can do this, we
can do this. And then the second half started and
it was like, oh no, there's just a quick reminder
that's not that.
Speaker 5 (11:15):
But again, that quick reminder should be prefaced by saying,
how horribly did they play in the third quarter? That
wasn't a and listen, a lot of it has to
do with the way okay see plays defense, I get it,
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but a lot of that was just sloppy play man.
It was sloppy play.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Ali war and then just somebody yelled you imagine somebody
just yelling or riverside.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
Dang, dang.
Speaker 5 (11:50):
I mean, it would have made sense in that in
that moment, in that moment, just because you're in the
final game of the championship round, you better be in
riverside mode, like a mother love.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Could you could you please just for the for the
new listeners, explain the riverside.
Speaker 5 (12:08):
The riverside is a term that football coaches us when
a guy crumbles in a heap of pain, so if
they go down to any type of injury during practice, right,
you'll have you'll have.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
You You'll probably have a unit and.
Speaker 5 (12:28):
In a practice squad that are together, or you may
be going through yeah, you might be going through like
teen period or something to that effect. Right, depending on
how serious the injury is, they'll hit you with like
a guy gets hit boom, he gets knocked out, he
goes down to the ground.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
If if the if at any point.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
The training staff comes out onto the field and the
guy doesn't come off the field, you'll hear the coaches
say riverside. And all that means is is you move
what you're doing in front of in front of that
player that's down on the ground that's hurt, and then
you start going the opposite direction. There's been times where
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if the seriousness in nature of the injury, it's not
a riverside, it's a.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
Switch field, switch fields, other field.
Speaker 5 (13:20):
And then everybody walks over to the other field, you know,
the other field. But if it ain't that bad, if
it's not perceivably that bad, they hit you with a riverside,
and basically they just put the the you know the
practice they put it. You know you're behind it. The
injured player is behind the practice.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Now, so it's just turned around.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
So it's the equivalent to, you know, a horse coming
up lame in a race and they just bring up
the white tent and call to day.
Speaker 5 (13:46):
It would be like the equivalent of a horse going
down and eating the white tent and and them saying,
all right, change lanes.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
You know, he run in the other direction, Just run
just just it's started over.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
Yeah, just run in a different lane. That's all.
Speaker 5 (14:04):
That's his that's his lane, you know. Let let you know,
just run in a different lane again.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Just guy, guys, run it back the other way. I
will have man here by the time you we return.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
There you go.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
It's just the whole, the whole. It's one of my.
Speaker 5 (14:19):
Yeah, here's a better one that that one I gave
wasn't good. Here's a better one. If the horse goes down,
they for the next race. They just move the They
moved the starting gates in front of the horse that
went down.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
It turned riverside.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
It turns into an equestrian race.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
They just make the horse's corpse a jumping a platform
to jump over if you can get They.
Speaker 5 (14:41):
Take the release gates and and flip them around so
that the horse that went down is behind the starting gates.
That's that's the that's the equivalent of Riverside.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
It's just, you know, like the idea.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
There's a teammate down on the ground, there's no prayer candles,
there's no there's no prayer circle, there's no candles lit,
there's no everybody get on the knee and just no, no,
no, no, no riverside.
Speaker 5 (15:07):
Although the one year with Marty when when dude dude
broke his arm.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
And and and uh was it his arm or his leg?
Speaker 5 (15:17):
He broke something and he went down and coach shot
Daber goes.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
I heard everybody bring it in. We're gonna pray you heard.
Speaker 5 (15:30):
I always tell the story because it's the funniest story
to be you hear something out of the blue is
Bruce Smith. Bruce goes, pray, pray for what pray somebo
that's mad and that's going on around here.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
That was that training camp and he just hadet everybody hitting.
Speaker 5 (15:49):
He made Bruce Smith at his age do Oklahoma drill
and Bruce Bruce did it. Bruce not only did it,
but he won and then he fell out. He made
the play, got off the block, made the tackle and
then just dropped and grabbed his shoulder and didn't play.
Not one more down, not one more practice, not one
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more rep the rest of that training cat. But he
won legitimately and legitimately, and I didn't ask. I didn't look.
I didn't ask Riverside. It was all about survival, Bro,
this was Marty. I had to go to the hospital
for for heat exhaustion. I couldn't see any color.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
I lost.
Speaker 5 (16:33):
I lost basically the ability to see color. I was
so dehydrated during that trading cat. These cats be talking
about how they got it these days. I went through
a Marty Marty training camp, Bro, that ass was wild.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
And sure, can you give us a urine sample? Looks
like honey.
Speaker 5 (16:52):
That was the same year Corey Stringer had had passed away. Yeah,
from a heat heat exhaustion. It was like one hundred
some degrees and we were doing two days, and I
just remember I was out that bad boy gigging like
that might have been my best seasons as a pro.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
Anyway.
Speaker 5 (17:09):
I was out there, man, and I was just going
in every play, every play, challenge yourself, every play.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
Let's go, let's go, let's get it. Every place let's
get it. Let's get it. And the next.
Speaker 5 (17:18):
Practice, like I was looking around and I'm like, why
can't I see color?
Speaker 4 (17:26):
I can't. Then I started panicking, like am I dying?
Like is something wrong? Like something's wrong.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
I was like, Dan, come get me.
Speaker 5 (17:39):
They rushed me to the hospital and like you can't
see any color.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
They took my they took my levels.
Speaker 5 (17:46):
They're like, yeah, get us four bags. They the four
bags of ivy fluid in me and put me on ice.
They literally put my body on ice and got me
four bags of.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
Fluid.
Speaker 5 (18:01):
And then I was back. I was back, ready to go.
But man, I was I was up out for like
two seconds there. I thought I was up out of there.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
Man.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
So you couldn't see color, so anybody could be anything
at that.
Speaker 5 (18:13):
So so basically I would have lived in the perfect world,
like I ain't got to call nobody blacks or white
or Asians or Hispanics, like it would have just been
all love.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Like, hey, y'all looked the same. You thought Patrick saw
no color. You thought Patrick Ramsey was Doug Williams.
Speaker 5 (18:28):
Dang, you had to be a dark mother lover for it.
On my black but great scale. You had to be
dark as hell.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
You just look the same to me.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
Oh my god, what hydrated?
Speaker 4 (18:48):
You could see your jersey color? Nothing, It's just all
the same color.
Speaker 6 (18:52):
Man.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
Oh my god. It's a wild experience.
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Speaker 6 (20:40):
Good morning, what's up, guys, how are you?
Speaker 3 (20:44):
We are good?
Speaker 1 (20:45):
We are taking a peek at your top one hundred
players of twenty twenty five. I know you do this yearly,
and I'm curious what has gotten you the biggest blowback
from people who have taken a look at your list
since you dropped this last week.
Speaker 6 (21:01):
You know, it's funny. I really haven't had a lot
of blowbacks. I means it must be a pretty done
good list.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
I patrick Mahomes number one based on the year he
had people.
Speaker 6 (21:11):
Yeah, I got pushed back from from some of my
guys in my office on that, and like I when
we did some hits and stuff for HQ and and
the Sports Network, and some of the things that they
said were he didn't play as well as numbers weren't
as good, And I said, my counter is always is this.
If you put the entire pool of players in the
NFL into into a pot and said, go ahead, take
the best player right now, how many teams would take
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Patrick Mahomes every one of them, so he's the best player.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
I don't know that would be every every one of them?
Speaker 6 (21:41):
Well, who wouldn't LeVar.
Speaker 5 (21:44):
It just depends on who's in that in that that
cup to pool from that hat to pool from I mean,
there may be Josh Allen, there may be a Josh
Allen fan. There there may be a Lamar Jackson fan.
I mean, some would say Lamar Jackson and has had
the more brilliant career over the last two three years.
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Then Patrick Mahomes. Even though Patrick Mahomes has made those those.
Speaker 6 (22:09):
Entries, he must be sitting at home polishing. Is Lombardi
Trophy then I guess yeah.
Speaker 5 (22:15):
But again I would have to say a Lombardi Trophy
is not an individual award, and so that goes against
the that goes against the.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
Logic of ius.
Speaker 6 (22:25):
But he's also he's also put up amazing numbers in
his career and he's been the best player in the league.
Come on, you would you would take if you had
you're the general manager of a team Y for this
week and you get to pick between Mahomes and Lamar,
You're taking Lamar.
Speaker 5 (22:42):
I'm not saying I would. I'm just saying conventional wisdom,
there would be some people that would find other players
more attractive to take, and it wouldn't be any further
than that position. It may be Josh Allen, it may
be Lamar And in reality and probably would be Joe Burrow. Now,
if you said I had to choose between Joe Burrow
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and Patrick Mahomes. There's a strong chance I may say
today because it's not you know, and with all due respect,
because he is he is one of the greats. He's
already one of the goats. Speaking of Patrick Mahomes. But Pete,
if I'm looking at today and I'm basing it off
of where we're looking at ceilings and trajectories of today,
I might look.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
At at I might look at at.
Speaker 5 (23:27):
My guy in Cincinnati and say I want Joe Burrow
versus anybody else, Jess, And that's not saying he's in Cincinnati.
That's saying if I'm starting a team in a franchise,
I might want to start it with Joe Burrow.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
That's what I would be thinking. But again, it's just
based off of today.
Speaker 6 (23:45):
Joe Burrow is your first pick.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
Yes, yes, he would be quarterback.
Speaker 6 (23:52):
But he's not Patrick Mahomes. And we know that Josh
that was a great quarterback. He's not Patrick Mahomes. And
Lamar Jackson's a great quarterback and he's not Patrick Mahomes.
There's a difference. And we see this year, by the way,
and you'll see it this year, by the way. Now
that they got some speedback outside. They fixed the offensive line.
You'll see a different Patrick Mahomes again. You'll see the
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old Patrick Mahomes again. This year.
Speaker 5 (24:15):
You're stamping that Garret stamping that to me again. Now,
if you're basing it off of that logic, I have
no problem with what you're saying, and I would be
more I would be more towards saying that your debate
point is correct. I'm just saying based off of what
I've seen this year going into next season, if you
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were to say who is the player you would start
your franchise with, there might be two or three players,
and it will those names and circulation that I would
say to me.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
I'm the MVP.
Speaker 5 (24:49):
The MVPs of Kansas City are the coaches, not the players.
I'm sorry it wasn't Patrick Mahomes this year with Spagnola
and Andy Reid.
Speaker 6 (24:58):
Oh my god. Okay, Look he didn't put up great.
He's still the m v P of the team, and
he's still the MVP. He's still the best player in
the VP of the league. Because Allen earned the m
v P last year and I'm not going to take
it away from him. And I've been one of them.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
Who was he who was he in competition with to
get it?
Speaker 6 (25:16):
Lamar Jackson. But that's that's a whole nother story. That's
a whole nother.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
Why why that's the m v P of the league?
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Well, Pete, let me, I'm sorry, go ahead, because.
Speaker 6 (25:27):
Look, the m v P of the league doesn't mean
that you're the you're the best player in the league.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
I mean, that's that's what most Valuable Player means.
Speaker 6 (25:34):
No, that's not what it means because because here's why,
you could have the best player in the league and
not be the m v P because you're not a quarterback.
We've seen that play out, haven't we over the course
of history. It's happened.
Speaker 5 (25:44):
It's a wonderful rebuttal because everyone will agree with you,
that's the heisman, and that's the league MVP. They don't
give it to the best player. They give it to
the quarterback. It's a it's a wonderful rebuttal, But nonetheless,
it's still to the general public, in layman's terms, the
best player in the National Football League that gets the
MVP award, Yes or.
Speaker 6 (26:03):
No, no, Because Matt Mahomes is the best player in
the NFL and Josh Allen's Josh Allen earned the MVP
last year. Look you would take Look. I love Josh
all I've been on him since the beginning when he
came out of Wyoming. It was one of the few
that actually thought he would be good. And early in
his career he was one of the few who actually
kept pounding the pavement that he will be good. And
you know what, he's been great. And I love Josh Allen,
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But Patrick Mahomes is a better quarterback.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Pete Prisco joining us here on Fox Sports Radio, we
are taking a peek at his top one hundred players
for twenty twenty five here courtesy of cbssports dot Com. So, Pete,
I'm curious. Saquon Barkley is third on your list. So
goes Patrick Mahomes, Miles Garrett, Saquon Barkley. Saquon Barkley wasn't
even in the top one hundred a year ago. So
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a year ago you didn't think Saquon Barkley was one
of the top one hundred players in the league.
Speaker 6 (26:55):
They have was three point eight per rush the year before.
That's not a top one hundred player. And so, okay,
he gets to a new system, he's got the best
offensive line. He's got the top two, in fact, the
top two offensive lineman on my list of the two
tackles on the Eagles. He averages more per carry than
anybody in the league before he's touched, and he puts
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up a great season and he's earned his way onto
that list at the number three spot. The year before,
bad situation, but he didn't play that well. He had
three point eight per rush. So okay, you can blame
the Giants and the offensive line, but that's not going
to earn you a spot. So that's why he's at
number three this year. And by the way, it pains
me to put a running back to that high, but I do.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
I mean, what about Aiden Hutchinson at fifteen when he
only played up until Week six.
Speaker 6 (27:43):
Yeah, but it's not based on just what you did.
This last year is going to be he's going to
be healthy, he's going to be back on the field.
He's going to be a disruptor again. So that's kind
of where it is. And by the way, when he
did get hurt, he was leading the league in facts
he got hurt, and so you saw the difference in
that team when he wasn't in there. So that's why
he got to take into account a lot of where
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people are going from their injury issues, where they might be.
And I'll give you another example, Trent Wade. I had
a tough time with Trent Williams. And Trent Williams has
traditionally been a top ten player on this list the
last couple of years. But I dropped him down in
large part because when he did play, he wasn't as
good and he didn't play and now he's coming up
another of the injury and a is starting to become
a factor with him. Age isn't a factor with Aiden Hutchinson.
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It's a factor with a guy like Trent Williams. So
that's why he dropped out a little bit.
Speaker 5 (28:31):
I found that to be interesting because where was Patrick
Mahomes in the passing ratings or passing yards.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
Statistically last season?
Speaker 6 (28:40):
This past season, well, I mean you got to look
at the numbers. It wasn't great. He didn't throw a
lot of touchdown passes.
Speaker 5 (28:47):
He did throw a lot of Are you using stats
against Sakwon Berkley?
Speaker 6 (28:54):
Did you go back and go back and watch Tae
Kwon Barkley from two years ago and you tell me
how good.
Speaker 4 (28:58):
He was. He's really good. He was really good.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
He was just a really really bad situation.
Speaker 6 (29:04):
He wasn't really good two years ago.
Speaker 5 (29:06):
He was in a he got injured for one, but
he was in a really bad situation. I mean, everybody
knew stop Sakwon Barkley and you stopped the New York
Giants period.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
Everybody knew that.
Speaker 5 (29:18):
So it wasn't the necessary fact that he wasn't great.
It was the fact that that he wasn't in a
great situation that led to him not getting the best
of opportunities to get yardage.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
Pete the talent that were still there.
Speaker 6 (29:34):
But when a guy averages three point eight per rush,
it's not very good. That's terrible. As a matter of.
Speaker 5 (29:38):
Fact, if I take him and I put him on
a team like the Philadelphia Eagles, which I'm building my team,
and I say I get to pick and I can choose,
I'm taking Saquon Barkley because of what he can do,
even though I knew he was getting three points some
yards a carry with this team. That's not my team.
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I'm looking at the talent, don't you. You have to look
at the talent versus looking at at the stats.
Speaker 4 (30:02):
If this is your hundred, your hundreds list.
Speaker 6 (30:05):
Yeah, well he was talent wise, he wasn't the top
one hundred player two years ago. He was last year,
all right, Pete.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
So one of the things that you did point out,
we're talking with Pete Prisco here. You can go on
to cbssports dot com and you can check out Pete's
top one hundred players for twenty twenty five because there's
a lot of interesting decisions here. An interesting comment you
made at the top of the article, though, is that
you said, one thing is clear, there isn't a lot
of star power in the league right now.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
So where do you is this recent?
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Is this just within the past couple of years? Is
this since Brady retired? Like what about the NFL? Do
you think lacks star power considering Lamar, Patrick Mahomes, Joe Burrow.
Is it just so quarterback heavy that there aren't stars
at other positions?
Speaker 6 (30:54):
Well, it's not just that, I think, and I you know, look,
there's four quarterbacks in the top ten. So the quarterbacks
are still stars, those four particularly, and there's a possibility
for more with a guy like Jayden Daniels. But you
drop it down and go into the twenty and this
is what I made the point about me it was
a twenty to sixty. You could interchange those guys and
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take player number fifty and move him to player number
twenty three, and you wouldn't have much difference, and you
wouldn't have much of an argument. And that's essentially the point.
It used to be you'd have twenty five tried and
true stars, and now that's not the case. And for
variety of reasons. Don't get me wrong. You know, injury
is an issue as well, and age has become an
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issue as well. But we're gonna start seeing and I
think next year when I do the list, you're gonna
see different stars. Jade and Daniels will be a Star
of Stars and he will move up into this list.
I don't have any doubt about that. I know people
will point to C. J. Stroud. I don't see that
happening with Jade Daniels. I think Brian Thomas Junior is
a guy that's going to go into that Star Stars
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list year. He's going to be one of the elite
receivers in the league and he's going to go way up.
So you're going to see that change a little bit.
But right now for this time twenty through sixties, they're
all about the same. You can interchange them. For example,
go in and pick fifty one out fifty one, number five,
I don't even know who it is on the list.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Fifty one on Pete's list is Quinn from the Denver
Bronx miner Qrin miner. Yeah, the center who's it all pro?
Speaker 6 (32:27):
By the way, Yeah, take twenty eight out and put
him in and see what that would be.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
All right, so you take out Quinn, you put in
number twenty eight would be Max Crosby.
Speaker 6 (32:36):
Okay, so look Max Crosby.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
That's star power. That's star power.
Speaker 6 (32:42):
But he wasn't star power last year because he was
hurt and he didn't play as well when he was
on the field. And I love Max Crosby. I think
he's one of those guys, you know, he beats himself
to beats his body up. He plays too many plays,
but and kudos to him for doing it. I mean
he's one of the few guys that plays every play
in a game for a defense, which you know that's
incredible in this era. But yeah, Max Crosby has star power,
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but he wasn't a star last year.
Speaker 5 (33:06):
All I'm saying is is when you say a league
that is void of star power, that doesn't necessarily mean
that they're they're the best ever or the greatest football
player ever. That's two different conversations. Wouldn't you say it's
two differentiations?
Speaker 6 (33:20):
Oh? Absolutely? I mean, I.
Speaker 5 (33:22):
Mean ob J was star power for quite some time
and wasn't the top receiver in the league for a
few of them years where he was still you know,
leveraging star power.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
I mean, there's some of these guys.
Speaker 6 (33:36):
Jalen Ramsey has star power, and.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
He's got star power.
Speaker 6 (33:39):
Yes, he does not a star He's not a star player.
He's not star power.
Speaker 5 (33:45):
It's potential. It has been seen before. It has come
to fruition at times. I just think you have hard
feelings with him, the way things happened in jackson while
you're taking the stata Jalen Ramsey is.
Speaker 4 (33:58):
The truth of the matter.
Speaker 6 (33:59):
I could give a rats ass about what I do.
Speaker 4 (34:04):
Where rats ass come from? A bout that?
Speaker 6 (34:07):
Right?
Speaker 4 (34:07):
What's the infatuation with the rats ass? I don't know.
Speaker 6 (34:11):
By the way, all I can tell you is he
wore as welcome to Jacksonville. He Warren as welcome to
the rams and he wore I was welcome in Miami.
So you go ahead and hey, if.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
There's a problem, pete out of curiosity.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
So when you mentioned you know a guy like Quinn Miners,
who is you know, sitting at you know, fifty one
on your list? How do you go about ranking offensive linemen?
Is this just watching film? Because there's no real statistical
category you can use with a lineman. So is this
just all based on watching film?
Speaker 6 (34:41):
Yes? Absolutely, And by the way, I mean, I go
back and they're a stats that say, okay, give up
x amount of sacks, but you also got to take
into account how the sacks are given up. And you know,
like there are guys you say, okay, give up five
sacks last year and then you see, okay, well the
quarterback held the ball for half an hour in the
sack that you know, the guy eventually got home and
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wanted to beat the beat the tackle that's not on
the tackle that's on the quarterback. Or there's a loop
and a stunt and the back doesn't do his part
and somebody blames the offensive tackle for it. So you
got to go back and watch the tape. You gotta
you gotta go about and look during the season, I
watched the games. I go back and from after the draft,
from the time the draft is over until the time
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I put that list out, I go back and re evaluate.
I move guys all around. I talk to guys in
the league and kind of run it by them and
see if they agree with me. And by the way,
I didn't have usually well, I don't like I mean
guys that actually know about football, LaVar.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
That's that's why I don't. I don't like your list.
Speaker 6 (35:39):
Okay, but the time, I can tell you this, I've
gotten a lot of pushback over the years on the
top ten. I got none this year, none, not one bit.
Nobody said somebody else should be in that list. It
was the first time in a long time where the
top ten was a clear top ten. I think.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
You added a running back into your top ten. And
that's what happened.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
Knew who to call Jonas. That's yeah, I get that pushback.
He knew who to call to get what he wanted.
Speaker 6 (36:05):
It pains me. It's paid. Okay, you tell me who
shouldn't be in the top ten.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
We're out of time.
Speaker 4 (36:11):
We're out of time. You know what, you know what
we're going to have to do.
Speaker 5 (36:14):
We're going to have to continue the conversation. We're we're
out of time. Sa Kwon Barkley definitely belongs there.
Speaker 6 (36:20):
Though, yeah he does. He does belong there and he
is there. By the way, if you had more time,
you'd be taking a deeper hole before.
Speaker 5 (36:26):
I don't dig holes that you crow barred that in there.
You got me with it once before. You won't get
me today.
Speaker 6 (36:33):
You know.
Speaker 5 (36:33):
First time, shame on you, Second time, shame on me.
I will not I will not be going into that hole.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
Pete Pete, dy to my list as always. We appreciate it.
Let's do it again next Tuesday.
Speaker 6 (36:45):
You gotta take care of guys there.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
He is the great Pete Prisco, senior NFL columnist for
CBS Sports. CBS Sports Huh at Prisco CBS is where
you can find him on x and you can go
check out his top one hundred list of twenty twenty five.
Pete Pete Pete is fun because whatever you say to
(37:07):
him on social media, it's usually quick to the point,
and he exposes you in front of his audience, like
he will quote retweet it and then he'll call you
out and either block you or just move on with this.
Speaker 4 (37:19):
You love doing that too, so I get why you like.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
That's so funny, man, It is two pros and a
couple of Joe.
Speaker 4 (37:26):
Don't like get in troubled man.
Speaker 5 (37:28):
It ain't fun when the rabbit got the gun man,
It really isn't.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
I love Peteza got such a red ass and just
owns it. He's proud of it, you know, just the
way he operates. He is the smooth operator.
Speaker 4 (37:41):
All right.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
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Speaker 3 (38:40):
These might smell a little funk.
Speaker 6 (38:41):
How does that sounds incredible?
Speaker 3 (38:43):
But they're still.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
Good time to find out what's left. It's Lee's laft jobs.
Speaker 3 (38:50):
All right, d lap, what do we got? All right?
Speaker 2 (38:52):
Guys?
Speaker 8 (38:52):
You guys had asked the origins for not giving a
rats ass. I did a little deep dive here. It
could possibly be coming from Mark Twain's connection when he
used the phrase don't give a dead rat in his
uh eighteen eighty four novel The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn,
but it also could go all the way back to
the medieval plague rat. You say again, yeah, don't give
(39:13):
a dead rat, which was in Huckleberry Finn, but most
likely came from the medieval times when you were able
to catch rats and turn them in, and they thought
that only the hind quarters were needed in order to
stop the the uh, the spread of the virus, the plague. Yes,
of course, but then once the rats had become so
(39:36):
big in numbers those they stopped paying for it. So
then it became hence the phrase not worth a rats act.
So you could get paid if you brought in a
rat back in the day. Back in the day, what
would they put? What would you get?
Speaker 6 (39:48):
Like?
Speaker 3 (39:48):
What were we talking about? Let's see medieval coinage.
Speaker 4 (39:52):
There you go, two shillings.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
What is that? What is that? A quay to nowadays
is like five bucks?
Speaker 1 (39:58):
Yeah, yeah, get yourself a loaf of bread there, Yeah,
five bucks a rat. That means your apartment complex is
probably worth too.
Speaker 4 (40:05):
Grandly out here should be getting paid. Oh my god,
I got a ton of rats.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
Yeah, they're sitting on a gold mine. They don't even know.
Speaker 4 (40:14):
Us forget recycling wid them rats.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
Okay, Yeah, there's plastic, there's aluminum, there's rat dan fill
up rats ass.
Speaker 4 (40:31):
What we guys.
Speaker 8 (40:33):
I'm looking for a new relief pitcher for my fantasy football,
Fantasy baseball team, and I think I found one. How
about this Dicky love Lady who was just brought up
to the majors for the Mets. Dicky love Lady.
Speaker 4 (40:43):
Nice.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
Yeah, So I think he's gonna be my new relief pictures.
It's a Levar's stage name.
Speaker 5 (40:48):
Take that, Roberto, You ain't lying? Yeah, they call me
Dicky love Lady.
Speaker 4 (40:55):
Wow.
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Speaker 4 (01:01):
He turned up.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Who's that?
Speaker 4 (01:03):
I hit him with the F bomb, didn't he? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:06):
I saw that? Interesting?
Speaker 4 (01:07):
Help me.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
You can also find this on hundreds of affiliates all
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till the end of this hour here on FSR. And
you know listen, we talked. We opened up the show
Gilbert Arenas was on the Dan Patrick Show, which you
can hear on many of these Fox Sports radio affiliates,
and he was speaking to Dan about what we'll remember
(01:31):
from this NBA Finals matchup, and he kind of discussed
these small markets, et cetera, et cetera, and our whole
point on it was, well, look, the NFL doesn't really
have these problems. It's its own ecosystem, its own universe.
So a small market like a Kansas City or a
Green Bay, that's that's huge in the NFL. But you
(01:53):
know in the NBA there there clearly are people that
were unhappy with the matchup. Even though Game seven had
a monster that we discussed earlier sixteen million, I believe
it was still down from previous years, and some people
have pointed to the market size for that being the
reaction or that being the reason why and all of
(02:14):
this is happening. Then on top of that, you've got
Tyrese Haliburton going down with the injury. And there is
one team who might benefit from the injury, and it's
a team that was referenced in the market size and
the problem in the NBA earlier, and that would be
(02:34):
the Cleveland Cavaliers So the Cleveland Cavaliers, who themselves have
been hit with the bad luck injury bug from multiple
playoffs in a row again this year, clearly not one
hundred percent. Clearly not one hundred percent last year in
the postseason, and the team that a lot of people
(02:54):
thought had the goods to be an NBA Finals team
this year, all of a sudden finds them in a
conference where Halliburton's going to be out for all of
next year because of the achilles, Jason Tatum's going to
be out for all of next year because of the achilles.
Damian Lillard's going to be out for all of next
year because of the achilles.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
If those teams, our.
Speaker 5 (03:17):
Holiday won't even be there next year because of nothing
other than he just won't be there.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
But it's interesting how Cleveland's been on the short end
of the stick when it comes to injury luck. Yet
if they look around their own conference right now, that's
three teams potential threats to make a run at the finals,
and Cleveland's sitting there going well, we don't have those
long term injury concerns. We just hit a bad run
(03:43):
of injury luck in the postseason this year and last year.
All of a sudden, the Cavs are looking around as
the favorite to win the East and the only team
within proximity to them is the New York Knicks. And
it's the Knicks, so you could always just bank on
them screw it up at some point. Anyways, So Cleveland
looking around, going, do we just stumble upon a little
(04:06):
bit of injury luck of our own? And now that
that could potentially be another small market team getting to
the NBA Finals based on what has happened to their
conference with all these superstars going down with the same injury.
Speaker 5 (04:21):
That sucked a crazy qualifier. Just get ready for the
season and go out there, play and win, right. I Mean,
what you're saying is has some accuracy to it.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
The East has.
Speaker 5 (04:36):
Been considered to be the more, you know, the weaker
of the two, you know, out of the East and
the West conference. But I mean when you break it
down that way and you look at the you know,
like Yannis being unhappy, will he even be back?
Speaker 4 (04:55):
You know?
Speaker 5 (04:55):
And then you're looking at like you said with with Tatum,
and you're looking at what took place with Halliburton. I mean, man,
that's just that's hard to bounce back from. You know,
if you're a team and your franchise guy goes down
and he's not going to be around, sure you're gonna
(05:15):
look for guys. Maybe this is Jalen Brown's time to
separate himself, you know, and and maybe he claims the
title of being, you know, the franchise guy uncontested for
for the Boston Celtics. Maybe somebody steps up and they
do something that was unexpected on on one of these teams.
(05:36):
But you gotta think if it is the New York Knicks,
if it is the Cleveland Cleveland Cavaliers, who I believe
they just find a way to come up short.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
Because this was, to me.
Speaker 5 (05:49):
I felt like the perfect year for them to be
able to actually compete and contend for for the title,
and it just didn't.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
It didn't unfold that way.
Speaker 5 (06:00):
But going in the next year, some of these teams
are already crippled by injury. Go figure, you're not even
in the new season. Crazy, you have to say they're
already crippled by injuries. This is where coaching comes into play, right, Like,
let's be clear, this is where GM work comes into
play and scouting reports come into play. You got to
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be able to bring in the type of personnel where
you don't fall that far off that the drop off
is is minimum until that that star gets back. That's
doing your job, you know, figuring out how how to
call a game like this was a tremendous miss by
Carlisle in the Championship round, a tremendous miss because it
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was going to take coaching to get it to that
Game seven, which it did, But then it was going
to take coaching to win game seven with or without Haliburton,
with or without him, that.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
Is the coach, right, Carlisle, Yeah, Rick Carlisle.
Speaker 5 (07:03):
I mean, yeah, I just I just that's to me,
that's how I feel about it. Jonas. So when you
think about it, these teams that have those holes that
they have to feel you at least have a whole
entire offseason to dress it and set the tone for
what that's going to look like. Not having those guys
right away or even for the entirety of.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
The season, there's nothing worse as a fan because like
if you have if like say, your your NFL team
loses their star player in training camp for the rest
of the year or a significant amount of time, or
even last year when the Lions lost Aiden Hutchinson early
in the year. It was like, well, if they get
to the super Bowl, he might come back. It's like, no,
(07:44):
he's done for the year. It's over. Like he's just
not coming back. Immediately before the season even really gets going,
or before the season even starts, your team is most
likely out.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Like with that, like the seasons not even here.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
To your point, we're not even at the draft yet
in the NBA, and you know for a pretty good
certainty that the Celtics, the Bucks, and the Pacers are
more than likely not going to the finals next year.
It's just like, we're not even we're not even out
of June, and you know what next year is going
(08:22):
to look like.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
Well, look at it like this.
Speaker 5 (08:24):
If those injuries made you temper your expectations that far,
you doubt them back that far. Then to me, for one,
you weren't that good of a team. For one, you're
not that well built, even though one player can make
the difference in basketball, but I just don't think your
team is built as good as you thought it was.
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If a guy goes down, even if it's your main guy,
and you can't still be competitive, that's one. But for two,
if it does take your fan base down that far
based upon that main player's injury, then you only have
up to.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
Go from rock bottom.
Speaker 5 (09:02):
Well, I can't. You can't underperform. You're going to outperform
the expectations anyway. So that's not a bad way to
go into the season if your team.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
I wonder how Eagles fans were when Carson Wentz got
injured and was out for the year, because that was
a super Bowl caliber team. Carson Wentz was most likely
the MVP of the NFL that year. He was playing fantastic.
It was late in the year and he blows out
his knee trying to scramble to get into the end
zone against the Rams, and I wonder afterwards, when it
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comes out in real time, blew his knee out, done
for the year. I wonder how many Eagles fans actually thought,
now we've still got a chance to win it all.
Now we've still got a chance, We've got Nick Foles,
we got an opportunity, we can go win a Super Bowl.
Still like that deflated everybody. And in the NBA, it
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feels like you go through an injury like that, and
maybe it's because of the percentage of your darting five.
You lose a Halliburton, that's twenty percent of your starting five.
That's a big impact. But in the NFL, you know,
we've seen Jeff Hostetler back in the day when Phil
Simms got injured, Jeff Hostetler and the Giants went on
to win.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
A Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
We've seen the Eagles. You know, Carson Wentz goes down,
Nick Foles steps up and wins a Super Bowl. It
doesn't happen a lot, but it seems like in the
NBA when that happens, that's a wrap to where in
the NFL you just have to get creative and find
new ways to try and win games.
Speaker 5 (10:30):
It just can't be. It has to be the same way.
It has to be the same approach, whether you like
it or not, whether it hasn't happened or not yet,
it still has to be the same approach. It's always
got to be the next man up. It's always I
wonder if they used the term in basketball, like, oh,
you know, there it is Haliburton went down, riversad. You know, oh,
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there goes Tatum, riversad.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
Move it down of the court.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
It's not I mean, listen, I'll give the Pacers credit.
They played well in the second quarter. They had the
lead at halftime, and they were Somebody on the broadcast
was like, yeah, the Pacers were walking into the locker
room at halftime. They're like, we can do this, we
can do this. And then the second half started and
it was like, oh no, there's just a quick reminder
that's not that.
Speaker 5 (11:15):
But again, that quick reminder should be prefaced by saying,
how horribly did they play in the third quarter? That
wasn't a and listen, a lot of it has to
do with the way okay see plays defense, I get it,
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but a lot of that was just sloppy play man.
It was sloppy play.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Ali war and then just somebody yelled you imagine somebody
just yelling or riverside.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
Dang, dang.
Speaker 5 (11:50):
I mean, it would have made sense in that in
that moment, in that moment, just because you're in the
final game of the championship round, you better be in
riverside mode, like a mother love.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Could you could you please just for the for the
new listeners, explain the riverside.
Speaker 5 (12:08):
The riverside is a term that football coaches us when
a guy crumbles in a heap of pain, so if
they go down to any type of injury during practice, right,
you'll have you'll have.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
You You'll probably have a unit and.
Speaker 5 (12:28):
In a practice squad that are together, or you may
be going through yeah, you might be going through like
teen period or something to that effect. Right, depending on
how serious the injury is, they'll hit you with like
a guy gets hit boom, he gets knocked out, he
goes down to the ground.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
If if the if at any point.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
The training staff comes out onto the field and the
guy doesn't come off the field, you'll hear the coaches
say riverside. And all that means is is you move
what you're doing in front of in front of that
player that's down on the ground that's hurt, and then
you start going the opposite direction. There's been times where
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if the seriousness in nature of the injury, it's not
a riverside, it's a.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
Switch field, switch fields, other field.
Speaker 5 (13:20):
And then everybody walks over to the other field, you know,
the other field. But if it ain't that bad, if
it's not perceivably that bad, they hit you with a riverside,
and basically they just put the the you know the
practice they put it. You know you're behind it. The
injured player is behind the practice.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Now, so it's just turned around.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
So it's the equivalent to, you know, a horse coming
up lame in a race and they just bring up
the white tent and call to day.
Speaker 5 (13:46):
It would be like the equivalent of a horse going
down and eating the white tent and and them saying,
all right, change lanes.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
You know, he run in the other direction, Just run
just just it's started over.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
Yeah, just run in a different lane. That's all.
Speaker 5 (14:04):
That's his that's his lane, you know. Let let you know,
just run in a different lane again.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Just guy, guys, run it back the other way. I
will have man here by the time you we return.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
There you go.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
It's just the whole, the whole. It's one of my.
Speaker 5 (14:19):
Yeah, here's a better one that that one I gave
wasn't good. Here's a better one. If the horse goes down,
they for the next race. They just move the They
moved the starting gates in front of the horse that
went down.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
It turned riverside.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
It turns into an equestrian race.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
They just make the horse's corpse a jumping a platform
to jump over if you can get They.
Speaker 5 (14:41):
Take the release gates and and flip them around so
that the horse that went down is behind the starting gates.
That's that's the that's the equivalent of Riverside.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
It's just, you know, like the idea.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
There's a teammate down on the ground, there's no prayer candles,
there's no there's no prayer circle, there's no candles lit,
there's no everybody get on the knee and just no, no,
no, no, no riverside.
Speaker 5 (15:07):
Although the one year with Marty when when dude dude
broke his arm.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
And and and uh was it his arm or his leg?
Speaker 5 (15:17):
He broke something and he went down and coach shot
Daber goes.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
I heard everybody bring it in. We're gonna pray you heard.
Speaker 5 (15:30):
I always tell the story because it's the funniest story
to be you hear something out of the blue is
Bruce Smith. Bruce goes, pray, pray for what pray somebo
that's mad and that's going on around here.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
That was that training camp and he just hadet everybody hitting.
Speaker 5 (15:49):
He made Bruce Smith at his age do Oklahoma drill
and Bruce Bruce did it. Bruce not only did it,
but he won and then he fell out. He made
the play, got off the block, made the tackle and
then just dropped and grabbed his shoulder and didn't play.
Not one more down, not one more practice, not one
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more rep the rest of that training cat. But he
won legitimately and legitimately, and I didn't ask. I didn't look.
I didn't ask Riverside. It was all about survival, Bro,
this was Marty. I had to go to the hospital
for for heat exhaustion. I couldn't see any color.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
I lost.
Speaker 5 (16:33):
I lost basically the ability to see color. I was
so dehydrated during that trading cat. These cats be talking
about how they got it these days. I went through
a Marty Marty training camp, Bro, that ass was wild.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
And sure, can you give us a urine sample? Looks
like honey.
Speaker 5 (16:52):
That was the same year Corey Stringer had had passed away. Yeah,
from a heat heat exhaustion. It was like one hundred
some degrees and we were doing two days, and I
just remember I was out that bad boy gigging like
that might have been my best seasons as a pro.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
Anyway.
Speaker 5 (17:09):
I was out there, man, and I was just going
in every play, every play, challenge yourself, every play.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
Let's go, let's go, let's get it. Every place let's
get it. Let's get it. And the next.
Speaker 5 (17:18):
Practice, like I was looking around and I'm like, why
can't I see color?
Speaker 4 (17:26):
I can't. Then I started panicking, like am I dying?
Like is something wrong? Like something's wrong.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
I was like, Dan, come get me.
Speaker 5 (17:39):
They rushed me to the hospital and like you can't
see any color.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
They took my they took my levels.
Speaker 5 (17:46):
They're like, yeah, get us four bags. They the four
bags of ivy fluid in me and put me on ice.
They literally put my body on ice and got me
four bags of.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
Fluid.
Speaker 5 (18:01):
And then I was back. I was back, ready to go.
But man, I was I was up out for like
two seconds there. I thought I was up out of there.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
Man.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
So you couldn't see color, so anybody could be anything
at that.
Speaker 5 (18:13):
So so basically I would have lived in the perfect world,
like I ain't got to call nobody blacks or white
or Asians or Hispanics, like it would have just been
all love.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Like, hey, y'all looked the same. You thought Patrick saw
no color. You thought Patrick Ramsey was Doug Williams.
Speaker 5 (18:28):
Dang, you had to be a dark mother lover for it.
On my black but great scale. You had to be
dark as hell.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
You just look the same to me.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
Oh my god, what hydrated?
Speaker 4 (18:48):
You could see your jersey color? Nothing, It's just all
the same color.
Speaker 6 (18:52):
Man.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
Oh my god. It's a wild experience.
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Speaker 6 (20:40):
Good morning, what's up, guys, how are you?
Speaker 3 (20:44):
We are good?
Speaker 1 (20:45):
We are taking a peek at your top one hundred
players of twenty twenty five. I know you do this yearly,
and I'm curious what has gotten you the biggest blowback
from people who have taken a look at your list
since you dropped this last week.
Speaker 6 (21:01):
You know, it's funny. I really haven't had a lot
of blowbacks. I means it must be a pretty done
good list.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
I patrick Mahomes number one based on the year he
had people.
Speaker 6 (21:11):
Yeah, I got pushed back from from some of my
guys in my office on that, and like I when
we did some hits and stuff for HQ and and
the Sports Network, and some of the things that they
said were he didn't play as well as numbers weren't
as good, And I said, my counter is always is this.
If you put the entire pool of players in the
NFL into into a pot and said, go ahead, take
the best player right now, how many teams would take
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Patrick Mahomes every one of them, so he's the best player.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
I don't know that would be every every one of them?
Speaker 6 (21:41):
Well, who wouldn't LeVar.
Speaker 5 (21:44):
It just depends on who's in that in that that
cup to pool from that hat to pool from I mean,
there may be Josh Allen, there may be a Josh
Allen fan. There there may be a Lamar Jackson fan.
I mean, some would say Lamar Jackson and has had
the more brilliant career over the last two three years.
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Then Patrick Mahomes. Even though Patrick Mahomes has made those those.
Speaker 6 (22:09):
Entries, he must be sitting at home polishing. Is Lombardi
Trophy then I guess yeah.
Speaker 5 (22:15):
But again I would have to say a Lombardi Trophy
is not an individual award, and so that goes against
the that goes against the.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
Logic of ius.
Speaker 6 (22:25):
But he's also he's also put up amazing numbers in
his career and he's been the best player in the league.
Come on, you would you would take if you had
you're the general manager of a team Y for this
week and you get to pick between Mahomes and Lamar,
You're taking Lamar.
Speaker 5 (22:42):
I'm not saying I would. I'm just saying conventional wisdom,
there would be some people that would find other players
more attractive to take, and it wouldn't be any further
than that position. It may be Josh Allen, it may
be Lamar And in reality and probably would be Joe Burrow. Now,
if you said I had to choose between Joe Burrow
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and Patrick Mahomes. There's a strong chance I may say
today because it's not you know, and with all due respect,
because he is he is one of the greats. He's
already one of the goats. Speaking of Patrick Mahomes. But Pete,
if I'm looking at today and I'm basing it off
of where we're looking at ceilings and trajectories of today,
I might look.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
At at I might look at at.
Speaker 5 (23:27):
My guy in Cincinnati and say I want Joe Burrow
versus anybody else, Jess, And that's not saying he's in Cincinnati.
That's saying if I'm starting a team in a franchise,
I might want to start it with Joe Burrow.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
That's what I would be thinking. But again, it's just
based off of today.
Speaker 6 (23:45):
Joe Burrow is your first pick.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
Yes, yes, he would be quarterback.
Speaker 6 (23:52):
But he's not Patrick Mahomes. And we know that Josh
that was a great quarterback. He's not Patrick Mahomes. And
Lamar Jackson's a great quarterback and he's not Patrick Mahomes.
There's a difference. And we see this year, by the way,
and you'll see it this year, by the way. Now
that they got some speedback outside. They fixed the offensive line.
You'll see a different Patrick Mahomes again. You'll see the
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old Patrick Mahomes again. This year.
Speaker 5 (24:15):
You're stamping that Garret stamping that to me again. Now,
if you're basing it off of that logic, I have
no problem with what you're saying, and I would be
more I would be more towards saying that your debate
point is correct. I'm just saying based off of what
I've seen this year going into next season, if you
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were to say who is the player you would start
your franchise with, there might be two or three players,
and it will those names and circulation that I would
say to me.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
I'm the MVP.
Speaker 5 (24:49):
The MVPs of Kansas City are the coaches, not the players.
I'm sorry it wasn't Patrick Mahomes this year with Spagnola
and Andy Reid.
Speaker 6 (24:58):
Oh my god. Okay, Look he didn't put up great.
He's still the m v P of the team, and
he's still the MVP. He's still the best player in
the VP of the league. Because Allen earned the m
v P last year and I'm not going to take
it away from him. And I've been one of them.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
Who was he who was he in competition with to
get it?
Speaker 6 (25:16):
Lamar Jackson. But that's that's a whole nother story. That's
a whole nother.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
Why why that's the m v P of the league?
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Well, Pete, let me, I'm sorry, go ahead, because.
Speaker 6 (25:27):
Look, the m v P of the league doesn't mean
that you're the you're the best player in the league.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
I mean, that's that's what most Valuable Player means.
Speaker 6 (25:34):
No, that's not what it means because because here's why,
you could have the best player in the league and
not be the m v P because you're not a quarterback.
We've seen that play out, haven't we over the course
of history. It's happened.
Speaker 5 (25:44):
It's a wonderful rebuttal because everyone will agree with you,
that's the heisman, and that's the league MVP. They don't
give it to the best player. They give it to
the quarterback. It's a it's a wonderful rebuttal, But nonetheless,
it's still to the general public, in layman's terms, the
best player in the National Football League that gets the
MVP award, Yes or.
Speaker 6 (26:03):
No, no, Because Matt Mahomes is the best player in
the NFL and Josh Allen's Josh Allen earned the MVP
last year. Look you would take Look. I love Josh
all I've been on him since the beginning when he
came out of Wyoming. It was one of the few
that actually thought he would be good. And early in
his career he was one of the few who actually
kept pounding the pavement that he will be good. And
you know what, he's been great. And I love Josh Allen,
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But Patrick Mahomes is a better quarterback.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Pete Prisco joining us here on Fox Sports Radio, we
are taking a peek at his top one hundred players
for twenty twenty five here courtesy of cbssports dot Com. So, Pete,
I'm curious. Saquon Barkley is third on your list. So
goes Patrick Mahomes, Miles Garrett, Saquon Barkley. Saquon Barkley wasn't
even in the top one hundred a year ago. So
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a year ago you didn't think Saquon Barkley was one
of the top one hundred players in the league.
Speaker 6 (26:55):
They have was three point eight per rush the year before.
That's not a top one hundred player. And so, okay,
he gets to a new system, he's got the best
offensive line. He's got the top two, in fact, the
top two offensive lineman on my list of the two
tackles on the Eagles. He averages more per carry than
anybody in the league before he's touched, and he puts
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up a great season and he's earned his way onto
that list at the number three spot. The year before,
bad situation, but he didn't play that well. He had
three point eight per rush. So okay, you can blame
the Giants and the offensive line, but that's not going
to earn you a spot. So that's why he's at
number three this year. And by the way, it pains
me to put a running back to that high, but I do.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
I mean, what about Aiden Hutchinson at fifteen when he
only played up until Week six.
Speaker 6 (27:43):
Yeah, but it's not based on just what you did.
This last year is going to be he's going to
be healthy, he's going to be back on the field.
He's going to be a disruptor again. So that's kind
of where it is. And by the way, when he
did get hurt, he was leading the league in facts
he got hurt, and so you saw the difference in
that team when he wasn't in there. So that's why
he got to take into account a lot of where
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people are going from their injury issues, where they might be.
And I'll give you another example, Trent Wade. I had
a tough time with Trent Williams. And Trent Williams has
traditionally been a top ten player on this list the
last couple of years. But I dropped him down in
large part because when he did play, he wasn't as
good and he didn't play and now he's coming up
another of the injury and a is starting to become
a factor with him. Age isn't a factor with Aiden Hutchinson.
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It's a factor with a guy like Trent Williams. So
that's why he dropped out a little bit.
Speaker 5 (28:31):
I found that to be interesting because where was Patrick
Mahomes in the passing ratings or passing yards.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
Statistically last season?
Speaker 6 (28:40):
This past season, well, I mean you got to look
at the numbers. It wasn't great. He didn't throw a
lot of touchdown passes.
Speaker 5 (28:47):
He did throw a lot of Are you using stats
against Sakwon Berkley?
Speaker 6 (28:54):
Did you go back and go back and watch Tae
Kwon Barkley from two years ago and you tell me
how good.
Speaker 4 (28:58):
He was. He's really good. He was really good.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
He was just a really really bad situation.
Speaker 6 (29:04):
He wasn't really good two years ago.
Speaker 5 (29:06):
He was in a he got injured for one, but
he was in a really bad situation. I mean, everybody
knew stop Sakwon Barkley and you stopped the New York
Giants period.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
Everybody knew that.
Speaker 5 (29:18):
So it wasn't the necessary fact that he wasn't great.
It was the fact that that he wasn't in a
great situation that led to him not getting the best
of opportunities to get yardage.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
Pete the talent that were still there.
Speaker 6 (29:34):
But when a guy averages three point eight per rush,
it's not very good. That's terrible. As a matter of.
Speaker 5 (29:38):
Fact, if I take him and I put him on
a team like the Philadelphia Eagles, which I'm building my team,
and I say I get to pick and I can choose,
I'm taking Saquon Barkley because of what he can do,
even though I knew he was getting three points some
yards a carry with this team. That's not my team.
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I'm looking at the talent, don't you. You have to look
at the talent versus looking at at the stats.
Speaker 4 (30:02):
If this is your hundred, your hundreds list.
Speaker 6 (30:05):
Yeah, well he was talent wise, he wasn't the top
one hundred player two years ago. He was last year,
all right, Pete.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
So one of the things that you did point out,
we're talking with Pete Prisco here. You can go on
to cbssports dot com and you can check out Pete's
top one hundred players for twenty twenty five because there's
a lot of interesting decisions here. An interesting comment you
made at the top of the article, though, is that
you said, one thing is clear, there isn't a lot
of star power in the league right now.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
So where do you is this recent?
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Is this just within the past couple of years? Is
this since Brady retired? Like what about the NFL? Do
you think lacks star power considering Lamar, Patrick Mahomes, Joe Burrow.
Is it just so quarterback heavy that there aren't stars
at other positions?
Speaker 6 (30:54):
Well, it's not just that, I think, and I you know, look,
there's four quarterbacks in the top ten. So the quarterbacks
are still stars, those four particularly, and there's a possibility
for more with a guy like Jayden Daniels. But you
drop it down and go into the twenty and this
is what I made the point about me it was
a twenty to sixty. You could interchange those guys and
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take player number fifty and move him to player number
twenty three, and you wouldn't have much difference, and you
wouldn't have much of an argument. And that's essentially the point.
It used to be you'd have twenty five tried and
true stars, and now that's not the case. And for
variety of reasons. Don't get me wrong. You know, injury
is an issue as well, and age has become an
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issue as well. But we're gonna start seeing and I
think next year when I do the list, you're gonna
see different stars. Jade and Daniels will be a Star
of Stars and he will move up into this list.
I don't have any doubt about that. I know people
will point to C. J. Stroud. I don't see that
happening with Jade Daniels. I think Brian Thomas Junior is
a guy that's going to go into that Star Stars
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list year. He's going to be one of the elite
receivers in the league and he's going to go way up.
So you're going to see that change a little bit.
But right now for this time twenty through sixties, they're
all about the same. You can interchange them. For example,
go in and pick fifty one out fifty one, number five,
I don't even know who it is on the list.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Fifty one on Pete's list is Quinn from the Denver
Bronx miner Qrin miner. Yeah, the center who's it all pro?
Speaker 6 (32:27):
By the way, Yeah, take twenty eight out and put
him in and see what that would be.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
All right, so you take out Quinn, you put in
number twenty eight would be Max Crosby.
Speaker 6 (32:36):
Okay, so look Max Crosby.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
That's star power. That's star power.
Speaker 6 (32:42):
But he wasn't star power last year because he was
hurt and he didn't play as well when he was
on the field. And I love Max Crosby. I think
he's one of those guys, you know, he beats himself
to beats his body up. He plays too many plays,
but and kudos to him for doing it. I mean
he's one of the few guys that plays every play
in a game for a defense, which you know that's
incredible in this era. But yeah, Max Crosby has star power,
(33:03):
but he wasn't a star last year.
Speaker 5 (33:06):
All I'm saying is is when you say a league
that is void of star power, that doesn't necessarily mean
that they're they're the best ever or the greatest football
player ever. That's two different conversations. Wouldn't you say it's
two differentiations?
Speaker 6 (33:20):
Oh? Absolutely? I mean, I.
Speaker 5 (33:22):
Mean ob J was star power for quite some time
and wasn't the top receiver in the league for a
few of them years where he was still you know,
leveraging star power.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
I mean, there's some of these guys.
Speaker 6 (33:36):
Jalen Ramsey has star power, and.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
He's got star power.
Speaker 6 (33:39):
Yes, he does not a star He's not a star player.
He's not star power.
Speaker 5 (33:45):
It's potential. It has been seen before. It has come
to fruition at times. I just think you have hard
feelings with him, the way things happened in jackson while
you're taking the stata Jalen Ramsey is.
Speaker 4 (33:58):
The truth of the matter.
Speaker 6 (33:59):
I could give a rats ass about what I do.
Speaker 4 (34:04):
Where rats ass come from? A bout that?
Speaker 6 (34:07):
Right?
Speaker 4 (34:07):
What's the infatuation with the rats ass? I don't know.
Speaker 6 (34:11):
By the way, all I can tell you is he
wore as welcome to Jacksonville. He Warren as welcome to
the rams and he wore I was welcome in Miami.
So you go ahead and hey, if.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
There's a problem, pete out of curiosity.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
So when you mentioned you know a guy like Quinn Miners,
who is you know, sitting at you know, fifty one
on your list? How do you go about ranking offensive linemen?
Is this just watching film? Because there's no real statistical
category you can use with a lineman. So is this
just all based on watching film?
Speaker 6 (34:41):
Yes? Absolutely, And by the way, I mean, I go
back and they're a stats that say, okay, give up
x amount of sacks, but you also got to take
into account how the sacks are given up. And you know,
like there are guys you say, okay, give up five
sacks last year and then you see, okay, well the
quarterback held the ball for half an hour in the
sack that you know, the guy eventually got home and
(35:01):
wanted to beat the beat the tackle that's not on
the tackle that's on the quarterback. Or there's a loop
and a stunt and the back doesn't do his part
and somebody blames the offensive tackle for it. So you
got to go back and watch the tape. You gotta
you gotta go about and look during the season, I
watched the games. I go back and from after the draft,
from the time the draft is over until the time
(35:21):
I put that list out, I go back and re evaluate.
I move guys all around. I talk to guys in
the league and kind of run it by them and
see if they agree with me. And by the way,
I didn't have usually well, I don't like I mean
guys that actually know about football, LaVar.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
That's that's why I don't. I don't like your list.
Speaker 6 (35:39):
Okay, but the time, I can tell you this, I've
gotten a lot of pushback over the years on the
top ten. I got none this year, none, not one bit.
Nobody said somebody else should be in that list. It
was the first time in a long time where the
top ten was a clear top ten. I think.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
You added a running back into your top ten. And
that's what happened.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
Knew who to call Jonas. That's yeah, I get that pushback.
He knew who to call to get what he wanted.
Speaker 6 (36:05):
It pains me. It's paid. Okay, you tell me who
shouldn't be in the top ten.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
We're out of time.
Speaker 4 (36:11):
We're out of time. You know what, you know what
we're going to have to do.
Speaker 5 (36:14):
We're going to have to continue the conversation. We're we're
out of time. Sa Kwon Barkley definitely belongs there.
Speaker 6 (36:20):
Though, yeah he does. He does belong there and he
is there. By the way, if you had more time,
you'd be taking a deeper hole before.
Speaker 5 (36:26):
I don't dig holes that you crow barred that in there.
You got me with it once before. You won't get
me today.
Speaker 6 (36:33):
You know.
Speaker 5 (36:33):
First time, shame on you, Second time, shame on me.
I will not I will not be going into that hole.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
Pete Pete, dy to my list as always. We appreciate it.
Let's do it again next Tuesday.
Speaker 6 (36:45):
You gotta take care of guys there.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
He is the great Pete Prisco, senior NFL columnist for
CBS Sports. CBS Sports Huh at Prisco CBS is where
you can find him on x and you can go
check out his top one hundred list of twenty twenty five.
Pete Pete Pete is fun because whatever you say to
(37:07):
him on social media, it's usually quick to the point,
and he exposes you in front of his audience, like
he will quote retweet it and then he'll call you
out and either block you or just move on with this.
Speaker 4 (37:19):
You love doing that too, so I get why you like.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
That's so funny, man, It is two pros and a
couple of Joe.
Speaker 4 (37:26):
Don't like get in troubled man.
Speaker 5 (37:28):
It ain't fun when the rabbit got the gun man,
It really isn't.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
I love Peteza got such a red ass and just
owns it. He's proud of it, you know, just the
way he operates. He is the smooth operator.
Speaker 4 (37:41):
All right.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
So coming up, we are going to close up shop
here on this Tuesday with another edition of League's Leftovers
right here on FSR.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
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Speaker 3 (37:57):
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Speaker 1 (38:00):
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Speaker 3 (38:40):
These might smell a little funk.
Speaker 6 (38:41):
How does that sounds incredible?
Speaker 3 (38:43):
But they're still.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
Good time to find out what's left. It's Lee's laft jobs.
Speaker 3 (38:50):
All right, d lap, what do we got? All right?
Speaker 2 (38:52):
Guys?
Speaker 8 (38:52):
You guys had asked the origins for not giving a
rats ass. I did a little deep dive here. It
could possibly be coming from Mark Twain's connection when he
used the phrase don't give a dead rat in his
uh eighteen eighty four novel The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn,
but it also could go all the way back to
the medieval plague rat. You say again, yeah, don't give
(39:13):
a dead rat, which was in Huckleberry Finn, but most
likely came from the medieval times when you were able
to catch rats and turn them in, and they thought
that only the hind quarters were needed in order to
stop the the uh, the spread of the virus, the plague. Yes,
of course, but then once the rats had become so
(39:36):
big in numbers those they stopped paying for it. So
then it became hence the phrase not worth a rats act.
So you could get paid if you brought in a
rat back in the day. Back in the day, what
would they put? What would you get?
Speaker 6 (39:48):
Like?
Speaker 3 (39:48):
What were we talking about? Let's see medieval coinage.
Speaker 4 (39:52):
There you go, two shillings.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
What is that? What is that? A quay to nowadays
is like five bucks?
Speaker 1 (39:58):
Yeah, yeah, get yourself a loaf of bread there, Yeah,
five bucks a rat. That means your apartment complex is
probably worth too.
Speaker 4 (40:05):
Grandly out here should be getting paid. Oh my god,
I got a ton of rats.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
Yeah, they're sitting on a gold mine. They don't even know.
Speaker 4 (40:14):
Us forget recycling wid them rats.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
Okay, Yeah, there's plastic, there's aluminum, there's rat dan fill
up rats ass.
Speaker 4 (40:31):
What we guys.
Speaker 8 (40:33):
I'm looking for a new relief pitcher for my fantasy football,
Fantasy baseball team, and I think I found one. How
about this Dicky love Lady who was just brought up
to the majors for the Mets. Dicky love Lady.
Speaker 4 (40:43):
Nice.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
Yeah, So I think he's gonna be my new relief pictures.
It's a Levar's stage name.
Speaker 5 (40:48):
Take that, Roberto, You ain't lying? Yeah, they call me
Dicky love Lady.
Speaker 4 (40:55):
Wow.
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