June 25, 2025 • 40 mins
The Old P, Petros Papadakis talks about the transition of football from a gladiator sport to a more health conscious product. Behind closed doors, Russell Wilson is blamed for reduction in guaranteed money in veteran contracts. Plus, Diddy trial updates on Lee’s Leftovers.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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can hear on the Blowtorch, A five seventy l e
Sports Fox College Football analyst and our good buddy here, Petros.
Good morning, Hello, Petroning.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Hello, Hello, hello to everybody.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
How you doing, Petros? I'm okay, I guess okay, I
could dig that pee. What do you think about LaVar
and his new show named Black and Drack.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
What do you think about it? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:32):
I mean, I don't know when Brady gonna come back.
You're gonna have to add a horse.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Dang, dangang. All right, So Pete, we were talking about just,
you know, the old school I saw I saw a
clip and I was watching this morning of an old
NFL game, and they showed some guy getting lit up
on a crack back block on a punt return, and
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it just got us talking about like old school football.
How often do you find yourself looking at old highlights
and going, well, that wouldn't be allowed today.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
I don't know, I mean a lot. I guess it
was really hard to be calling games through those rule changes,
if you know what I mean. Like, it was really
hard because when I first started calling games, everything was
pretty much there, you know, all the crackbacks, all the
cut blocks, everything, setting up a guy on the end
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of the line and cracking back on him. Not even
in like a special team situation, but you know, just
just lining a guy up and cracking him back in
the way that a play is designed, which used to
be very kosher. We would try not to run and
practice that much against our own guys unless it was
somebody we didn't like. But that stuff was all in
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play when I first started calling games. And then they
started to litt eight that stuff out of the game.
And I'm not here to say that they're wrong to
do it. I think that I think that they've made
football safer. I think I'm not exactly sure. I mean,
everybody's still big, strong and fast as hell, and there's
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still a lot of really really intense collisions out there,
but a lot of that stuff has gone. And it
was really hard for the first few years to watch
somebody wear a call like a fifteen yard call that
was considered to be good football and it would change games,
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you know, it would make a first down on a
drive and something like that, or heard a drive and
heard a team. But it was really hard for me
growing up with football the way I grew up and
being a run game defense kind of oriented guy son
of a defensive coordinator, it was hard to see that
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stuff litigated out and to be like, well, okay, that's
it first down in twenty five now, I mean that
was that was I remember I had a visceral reaction
kind of to not liking it.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
But at the same time, you have to call the game.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
You can't just sit there and be a little bit
about it for the next three or four series just
because you didn't like something that happened in the game,
and you're just there to call the game. You're not
You're not there to tell people how to feel about it.
And it took me a while, it did. I mean,
I don't know if you if you wanted that kind
of a deep answer from me, but it did. It
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took me that. I think that's one of the hardest things. Well,
being on radio with me too, and then COVID and
then all the other stuff happening, racial divide and riots.
That stuff's not easy either because people are always asking
you to take one side of the other and why
haven't you spoken out about this?
Speaker 2 (04:57):
And why haven't you spoken about that?
Speaker 3 (05:00):
That's a challenge that that's been a challenge and in
work as well. But one of the biggest challenges to
me was was was dealing with the way they changed
the game, calling the games and being able. And you
know the other thing that would bother me about it
is you'd get people that never played that never played.
And that's okay. I mean if people that were I
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are the only people that were interested in football, are
people that had looked through a face mask before in
their lives, we wouldn't have jobs. So it's our job
to interpret the sport to others in many ways, and
I get that, But to have people that have never
played people on our crewise you know, people in the
production people play by play guys.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
That their reaction, Oh this, this is savage, this is terrible. Now,
how could you allow that? Look?
Speaker 3 (05:48):
He should be I should be bared for the game
forever once he doing, you know. I mean I used
to call a lot of I think we've talked about
it before, LeVar. I used to call a lot of
Vonte's perfect game in high school and college. And I
love that player. I mean, I knew he was crazy,
but I love the player. I love the way he
played defense, and I was inspired by it. And I'd
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get in arguments with people this guy would either be
literated o the good you know, listening to guys like
that who don't understand what the sport is like, who
you're out there playing with, and what you're willing to
do for your teammates and what you're willing to take
for your teammates, and how quickly everything happens is usually
the main point I like to make. But it was
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hard for me to have people sitting there telling you
what's right and wrong with the sport who have never
played the sport. So it took a lot of adjustment.
But one person that I'm really really grateful for is
Mike Pereira. You know, because Pereira, you guys see him.
You know, people see when I see you guys, I
mean listeners.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
You know.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
They they're used to seeing him sitting with Trom Brady
or Troy Aikman and Joe Buck and now it's Brady
and Kevin, but either way, they're used to seeing him
on the big NFL games.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
But people don't realize we have Peerra on our games.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Too, So he's sitting there all day and night, Saturday night,
Friday night, Thursday night, if we have a game, and
if it's not Pereira, it's Dean Blandino, who's excellent and
great to work with as well, and that the fact
that those guys are there. And I really love the
way Peira does it because he's not an over officious
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jerk about it.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
He's not.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
He just wants to be able to explain it to
people and not argue in this and that. And you
just got to get out of the way and let
him go. And it helps so much, and it takes
you and your bias or whatever you feel about it
out of it, and he really helps. I mean, I
remember doing a game in Oklahoma State and it ended
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up being the game of the week. They're playing Central
Michigan and there was a big controversy at the end,
big controversy about grounding. They gave the ball back to
an untimed down to Central Michigan and they were like
sixty yards out and I was like, those guys arms
are not good enough to make it to the end zone.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
I was right. It caught it on the ten and.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Pitched it to a dude and he ran it in
and it was bedlam. The pardon to term in a
T Boon picking stadium T boone. People in the Big
twelve office that were supposed to be in the replay
office did not know the rule, the officials at the
game did not know the rule.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Pereira is the only guy that knew the rule.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
So everybody in the building was an idiot except for
us on the broadcast, and that was only because of
Mike Pereira. So stuff like that has softened.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Me over the years.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
But yes, to make a long story short, I was very,
very disturbed by the rule changes when they first started happening,
and thought that they were changing the sport completely. And
maybe you look at it right now and with all
the targeting stuff and stopping the game and looking at
it and what we're all used to, maybe they did
change the sport completely. But I was able to adapt
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to it. I guess, just you know, to continue to
make a living.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Can I ask just a question to both of you guys,
and do you believe do you trust in your abilities
that you could have adapted to the newer football and
excel like the way you did back when you were
playing or were you meant for that time and this
new era would not have been a good fit for it.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
I think LeVar would be fine.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Why you say that you're one of the best linebackers
in the history of college football. But I mean for me, yeah,
I'd have been fine. I mean, you know, I just
ran the ball. I mean, you know, you do what
the coaches tell you. And college football is so coach
oriented and everything is so I mean, once the game starts,
it's kind of chaotic, but there's a lot of there's
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a lot of instruction going on. So it really has
more to do with the way they teach the game.
Part of the problem in college and part of the
reason we have such intense collisions and people don't realize
this is the hashmark placement, I mean the hash mark
placement between college and football, I mean pro football. They
make the games so different, and that's why all the
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innovations in the sport generally come out of the college level,
because you have innovative coaches, sometimes in very obscure places,
playing with that extra space that you get when you're
on the boundary. And that's how we got chip Kelly stuff.
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That's how we got leeches stuff, That's how we got
gundy stuff, how mummies stuff, all the different things that
have been innovated in the sport over the years, it's
because of that extra space. You can also hide a
white guy safety on the boundary, Am I wrong? No,
you know, and that guy can get like to you
know that guy.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
I haven't, but.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
You know Iowa State.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Yeah, they can put a guy on the boundary and say, wow, okay,
this guy can you know he can make fifteen tackles
in a game for us and not get exposed in
coverage because we only play him where there's not a
lot of field. I mean in the NFL. Yeah, when
they get tackled on the hash, there's more room to
the other side, but much less.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
So.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
What I'm trying to say is there's no there's no
way to get around people in the NFL. You have
to go kind of through them. Everybody's like, oh, the
guys are so fast, because it's like, well, yeah, they're
all They're also going a less amount of space. So
in college you get people really opening up their hips
and sprinting to the sideline, which creates vertical run lanes,
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and that does really create big collision because of the
space and because the players are just so reckless and
kind of don't know what they're doing. The other element
that I really realized in college was I didn't care
about the other guy on the other side of the
line of scrimmage, like, I didn't care if his leg
fell off. Literally, you know I do now, But back then,
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I wanted those.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Guys to be to suffer.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Arizona State, whoever we were playing, I hated, I hated
my opponent, hated our opponents, and you didn't know them,
and you didn't care if their head flew clean off.
And in the NFL, guys, you know, everybody's making money.
People tend to want to stay off each other's legs.
People understand the value of being able to stay out
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there and playing the game in a cleaner way. In college,
we didn't care. We wanted everybody to die, seriously, because
we were out there suffering. So more space, more speed,
innovations and the sport idiot young people playing.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
And the rules changing.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
All of those things have happened over the last few
years that we've been discussing. But yeah, the space on
the field I think leads to bigger collisions at the
college level as well.
Speaker 5 (13:15):
Speaking of rules and different things at the college level. Obviously,
hanging out an opportunity to talk to you. Since the
House versus the NCAA deal, you know, has continued to progress,
how are you feeling about it. I mean, do you
feel as though you know that decision taking place and
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now being official, that there is the amount of money
that the universities will you know.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Have the.
Speaker 5 (13:43):
Option of how to use it on the student athletes? Like,
do you feel like it can improve college football?
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Is this?
Speaker 5 (13:50):
Is this going in the right direction? How are you
viewing it?
Speaker 2 (13:54):
It has to be there.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
I mean, I think it'll be chaos, but that's not
any different than what we deal with. And I think
it will probably end a lot of the the fun,
smaller school type of stuff in the sport.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Maybe I'm not really sure. I'm not. I don't think
anybody really.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
Knows how it's gonna look, because I mean most people,
if you just talk to casual people on the street
that think that they're sports fans, and they are, and
they'll say, well, college is great now. All the players
are getting paid, right, It's like no, And even if
they are getting paid, they're not getting paid by who
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they should be getting paid by. I mean, the universities
are still shoveling these billion dollar TV deal revenues straight
into their coffers without any play. All they pay is
the coaches. I mean that's the only thing they have
to pay, and for the stadium and all that stuff.
The one thing that's the biggest commodity in the sport
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the players and the guys between the lines competing that
make up your college football program. They're the ones that
aren't getting paid, and they're the ones that generate that
billion dollars in revenue or whatever it is. So it's
always been backwards. The same people that we've had paying
the players under the table for many years, of course,
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are the same people paying them above board now. So
the university are still making out like bandits, although they
now have these nil collectives they have to deal with.
We are in a new territory where you know how
the NFL is in a new territory where all the
second rounders are holding out right, Well, we're in new
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territory in college football because Wisconsin's nil collective is suing
Miami's an IL collective and that's never happened before. I
think it's over a dB after signing his deal, Bailey
I think is his name, so and that's unprecedented. So
now you know, we're starting to get a little bit
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more uniformity and like, hey, you're here you can't go.
You know, the portal is closed for you. You know
that kind of stuff. And I mean, I'm not smart enough.
It's obviously an intelligent question. I'm not smart enough to
tell you what it's all going to look like when
the bureaucrats get done with it.
Speaker 5 (16:15):
But it happens, I'm not sure the smart people will
be able to answer that right now today, to be
honest with you.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
But I will say this philosophically. With so much money
being made. I mean, there's always been a lot of
money being made in college football by the universities, and
it's always been a little bit of a well kept secret.
But you know, in the last twenty years or whatever,
the pile of money that they just keep putting behind
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them or shoving under the carpet looks like you're hiding
like a giant camel under the carpeter. Right, there's so
much money, so that the money's gotta be used for
something other than paying players and building for I mean,
paying coaches and.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Building for self and homes.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
Yeah, it's seriously, it's it should be used. It should
be used to pay the players. So I mean to
say that they're trying to get that done and not
say that they're going in the right direction would be wrong.
I feel as if they're going in the right direction.
But I don't trust bureaucracy. Uh, you know, the bureaucracy
of the government's one thing, and then you get all
these universities that are filled with bureaucrats, and it's kind
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of hard to figure how things are going to end up.
But I do believe, Yeah, we we have to pay
players some kind of baseline salary. We need, you know,
some kind of uniformity in that. But we can't even
get people to agree on how many freaking conference games
they got to play.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
So we'll we'll.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
See, Petrus. We were talking about Deonchay.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
To Jonas's point the other day.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
Our off season sucks the worst, the worst, absolutely sucks.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
It's miserable. It's a portal nil automatic.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
Qualify for the Dodgers were throwing Japanese parties with every
guy they signed. You know, in the NFL, you know
people are and Roger Goodell like people like him, and
they don't you know, at the draft. Everybody's got the
off season figured out.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
But us I did like the the Asahi read during
the Dodger broadcast on the blow tour yesterday.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
Though Jim Kates has got every every Japanese read in.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
The world and Green Tea. He really does.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
So we were talking about then she sushi ready made
sushi at the Rouse Star.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
And by the way, I say, you guys a pick
of it. I saw it at Ralph's. I said, you
guys don't know about place?
Speaker 5 (18:35):
Then she do you guys know about the sushi place
that was on the the What is it?
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Stars? The Midas? Not Midas? What what are Michelin Michelin Stars.
Speaker 5 (18:48):
They took him off because it's in a train station
and it's so exclusive that they don't care how much
money you have. It's like they're booked out for months,
you know what I'm talking about. I forget his name.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
I don't know, but I know a friend of mine
got a Michelin Star, the first Michelin Star for a
restaurant in the South Bay and he's in a little
strip mall. He'll serve anybody, but it was it's not
a sushi plays.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
I don't even understand the Michelin star stuff. I didn't
even know that was a thing until Lee brought it up.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
When I was a kid. You know my father's restaurant.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
We had the Zaggat uh, the Zaggut ratings, you know,
the Zaggat book.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
That was a thing. Maybe some people know it.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
It was kind of like the Thomas Guide for restaurants
when we were younger, and that was a big deal.
I mean we were we were a good we were
a great dinnerhouse. So we got invited to the banquets
and stuff with all the other you know, like Spago
and all the other Wolfgang Pocking. Yeah, he was their chef.
He was an old friend of the restaurant for many years.
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A lot of those guys.
Speaker 5 (19:53):
And the guy, Yeah, he's a really nice, super cool dude.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
I mean I grew up around a lot one of
those guys, so we would, you know. And I was
even nominated as a waiter many years ago. So that
was the stuff we went to. But I don't think
we were arteesonal enough to be a Michelin restaurant. But
I don't remember when the Michelin star thing started. I'm
sure it's been happening for a long time, but I
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only started hearing about it maybe about twenty years ago.
Speaker 5 (20:22):
It's in Tokyo and the guy's name is Sekuyabashi Jiro. Yeah,
she'd keep with bush old Jero. I could ask my
little brother. My little brother is almost like a Japanese guy.
It's like the best sushi restaurant. He's a Japanese Greek
in the world.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
He is. Dimitri's actually very uh. My little brother is well,
he's very Greek. In fact, he sings in Greek in
the church every week. But he's he's married to a
Japanese woman. There two little girls who go to Japanese school.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
So what would that mix be called?
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Hop along? Anybody who's half Asian, they call him a papa.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Wait what Wait?
Speaker 2 (21:12):
You guys have never heard the term hoppa? Hell. I
had a friend named Happy McGrath because he was half
a tag.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
It's a term uh for uh racially mixed children. Usually
if you're like half Hawaiian or half Japanese.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Or my son's half white half Mexican. Is he he
doesn't count.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
He's just a damn.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Damn it. It doesn't count. Sorry, he doesn't need to.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Maybe it does count. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
But we call him noxicans what we call him. That's fine.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
But he's also half vampire, don't.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Yeah, it's true that I come home, he's hanging upside
down again.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
You gotta fly a nubis air like they did on
a True Blow. But I, uh, yeah, they speak Japanese
beautifully and uh he knows the culture very well.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
He lived there for a few years.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
So I will ask him about it. About that rest Tokyo,
it's a it's in a train station. He'll know it well.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
All the you know, all the dorks around here, you
know that come and work for Fox. You know they're
like you ever been to Sugarfish?
Speaker 3 (22:19):
I love Sugarfish and went to Sugarfish with one of
the Fox executives that gun fired.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
All right, it's great.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
What to Sugarfish with Joy Taylor? She's so awesome. She
has such great hot takes.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
We're sure kidd about X at the old p He
is Petro's Papadagcas. I'll see you later on today, Petros.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Yes, thank you. Jonas.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Jonas is going to be with me today and tomorrow
on AM five seventy.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Yeah, I appreciate the invite.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Do you want to be a co host?
Speaker 1 (22:55):
I mean, you've never asked me. You never asked me.
How long is your show for today?
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Two and a half hours you've never asked. No, no, yeah, if.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
The co host list is.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
Expansive, you want to come in and work another three
hours of radio?
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Hey, bro, I like talking radio.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Will you drive to Burbank?
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Uh? That's you see? You got me there? Damn damn
try it.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
No, we can try it out sometime. But but Jonas
is coming today. The Dodgers are in Colorado, so we'll
start it.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Too sweet, Okay, all right, So Petro, so you can
get them, don't I.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
Mean, don't be that guy, I mean LeVar, don't be
like Hey, you can play me to the boundary.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
You know, I'll run out there.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Now. You can put me in the middle of the defense,
you know what I mean, and we can.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
We'll cover up both guards and you can just run into.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
There you go.
Speaker 5 (23:54):
Yeah, I'll come mess with you. Well if I can
use my comrades.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
If we do bring you in, I will make sure
both guards are covered. Okay, so you can run free. Perfect,
they're not stemming to you.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Perfect backer backer eleven eleven eleven.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
There he is.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Yeah, there is how.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Much we're gonna do.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
Did I ever tell you we played Penn State Jonas
the game the first game that they were that.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
They had without LeVar.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
So two thousand was the first two thousands in the NFL,
and we played him in the first game of two thousand.
So you're watching all the film from ninety nine. There's
there's nothing to look at from two thousand, and our
coaches had to reiterate to us every time the film
came on. Listen, this guy's not there anymore. Don't worry
about this.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
That's pretty cool.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
We're like, God, damn nice. All right, all right, they
got some other guys, but this one is not there.
Speaker 5 (24:51):
That's how we felt when we played Arizona. We were
looking at Chris mccallis to read like, oh he was great,
Like yeah, no, he's not there anymore.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Great. We got a corner.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
Yeah, we got it, big corner like Albert Lewis out there.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Dale Carter, Dale, Carter, Yeah, I appreciate to come right Patrick,
all right, well, you know I'll be sure to listen
to you guys today. Yeah, Ben, stay right there. He
is the great Petroday just the co host of the
Petro Some Money Show, which you can't here on the
blow Torch and five seventy l a Sports Fox college
football analyst, get him on X at the old pe
(25:24):
but that one of the greatest college football linebackers of
all time. Look at you? Whoa whoa? Now look at you.
You were unaware of that?
Speaker 2 (25:32):
No I knew that.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Just it's fun to reiterate that some people know, just
in case people.
Speaker 5 (25:37):
I was somebody in a previous life. Man, then I
was reduced to doing radio with you and Q.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Damn where are they now?
Speaker 1 (25:48):
He's doing radio? He doesn't even get to go to Burbank.
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Two Pros and a cup of Joe. Fox Sports Radio,
LaVar Arrington, Jonas Knox with you here. We are going
to have another edition of The Lee's Leftovers coming up
in about twelve minutes from now here on Fox Sports Radio.
So we were talking about this collusion stuff that came
out in the NFL, and this was from earlier in
(27:26):
the show. We were discussing Pablo Torri got ahold of
the court documents the NFL. The NFLPA didn't want these
getting out apparently, but it was from a closed door meeting.
The NFLPA had brought a grievance against the NFL because
they were claiming collusion with Roger Goodell reportedly encouraging all
thirty two teams to reduce contract guarantees for veteran players
(27:48):
at the March twenty twenty two owners meetings. The NFL
actually won the grievance, but you know, the arbiter did
find that quote. There was a little question at the
NFL Managent Council, with the blessing of the Commissioner, encouraged
the thirty two NFL teams to reduce guarantees and veterans
contracts at the March twenty twenty two annual Owners meeting.
(28:09):
And so one of the details of this that came
out was former NFLPA president J. C. Trettor trashing Russell
Wilson for his contract handling with the Broncos, saying that
he weakened the push for guaranteed contracts. And apparently J. C. Trettor,
(28:33):
in some text exchanges that he had with Demorris Smith,
called Russell Wilson all sorts of insults, called him a wuss,
and some other things, basically saying, you know, we were
trying to push for guaranteed contracts, yet this is the
(28:53):
guy who's going to ruin it for everybody. I basically
just went in on Russell Wilson and he's handling for
trying to get that guaranteed contract, and so that is
believed to be why there was some thought that this
was being hidden and had been hidden for months and
was so difficult to get hold of. Because the feeling was,
(29:15):
why wouldn't the NFLPA be running to push this out
there to let everybody know clearly there's evidence here of collusion. Clearly,
you know, we've got the arbiter saying that Roger Goodell
clearly gave the edict to owners to reduce guaranteed contract. Like,
there's a lot of stuff here that would point to that.
Why would the NFLPA want this hidden? And the thought
(29:36):
is that JC Tretter was behind the NFLPA want to
get hidden because this is a bad look if somebody
from your union who represents your union is airing out
one of his own players and somebody else also from
the union in the way that he did when it
comes to Russell Wilson, and it just it just goes
(29:58):
to to the story of Russell Wilson can't catch a
break manes though every time I'm.
Speaker 5 (30:07):
Just I'm confused, though, like why, I mean, I don't
understand why trash Russ over over this scenario, over this situation.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Help me, give me some more content because they were
they were pushing for guaranteed contracts, and Russell Wilson they
feel like didn't try hard enough, like that he didn't
he didn't do enough to push for that guaranteed contract
with the Broncos. And so because of that he got
aired out. And you know, if you're an if you're
(30:37):
an NFL owner and you're talking about well, you know,
if there's collusion, if there's this and that, you've got
their PA you can't even get it together, and and
they're airing out their own player, and and you know,
clearly if owners were colluding against anybody, you've got the
NFL PA and their their president J C. Tretdter calling
(30:57):
people out. And apparently there's some that think this is
going to turn out bad for him because if he's
got ideas of going higher and higher and higher when
it comes to who knows, maybe you know, being the
next to Morris Smith, there's something down the line that
people will look back on this and go, why would
we want him to represent us when in the midst
(31:20):
of guaranteed contracts he went and aired one of us
out to somebody and then tried to hide it so
that nobody found.
Speaker 5 (31:28):
Out about it. I mean that sounds like, you know,
it's just that situation to be in loose lips ships, right.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
Some people have called it, you know, a little bit
kind of a snake in the grass move, you know
to if you're representing the union, you're you're there to
support everybody, and instead he's burying some guy in a
text exchange with Demorris Smith about you know, he's as
such and such and just did they talk about the
Morris his lips in that? I don't think so. I
(31:57):
think they left that, they kept they stayed away from that. Yeah,
they left it to somebody else. But this, but this
goes to show you back to the original point of
all this, when you find out how the stuff is
handled behind the scenes, when you find out how the
sausage is made, so to speak, and then you realize, oh, god, like,
(32:21):
it's a it's a dirty business. People are trashing each
other behind their backs. You've got owners colluding, you've got
all these other I just don't know how many people
nowadays look at this and go, oh, well, this is
a shocker. I thought everything was on the up and up,
and I thought the NFL was filled with great guys
(32:41):
and owners wanted to do it the right way and
players had to do of course that are yes, that's
how it works. And I nothing that came out of
any of these documents makes me feel any differently about
the NFL, and I think there's a lot of people
who feel the same who go listen, it's great, it's
(33:02):
interesting that we know the behind the scenes of this
collusion case, but it's not going to stop us from
being ready to go when training camps over and we're
getting ready for the season, Like, nobody's gonna be like,
you know what, I can't watch this anymore. I now
know what they said about Russell Wilson in the NFLPA.
It's like, no, dude, nobody cares, like they just want
to tell you.
Speaker 5 (33:23):
Could you imagine in today's society and culture, if they
were actually able to hear how these conversations like how
they play out, they wouldn't be able to handle it,
And a lot of these people will have to be
selling their stock and their stake in the team because
(33:43):
there'd be so much public outrage. People too sensitive, people
are too soft anymore to handle what people say behind
closed doors. And so when you went and here's what's
the funniest aspect of it all, Jonas. Some of the
very there people that will call for, you know, the
dismissal and sell the team and this is horrible and
(34:08):
what are they doing are the worst ones and the
way they communicate behind closed doors. But because they see
it from someone else, it doesn't apply to them. It
just applies to the people that got caught that are
relevant enough in those moments. You know, some of the
things like like just just coaching talk in general, and
(34:30):
how they talk, or how coaches talk to players and
meetings and stuff like that, or how owners and gms
and scouts, how they talk about players and things that
are said. It will I mean, it sounds like they
be crashing out, you know, so to me, the sensitivities
(34:52):
surrounding you know, what was said? So what so what
they talk bad about Russell Wilson, so what. Somebody's always
going to get talked nicely about. Somebody's always going to
get talked badly about. Sometimes that one person that got
talked badly about will find themselves in a different conversation
being talked about in a glowing, you know, positive manner.
(35:15):
Sometimes the one that was getting talked nice about gets
dog like, dog beat like, tongue lashed like whatever.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
I know a story about a guy who was playing
Major League baseball, a really good player, but he was
going into arbitration, and his wife wanted to go into
the arbitration meeting with him, and he told her no.
He's like, because you're not going to like what you
have to hear, because they're basically going to tell you
all the reasons why they're not going to give you
(35:42):
what you want. Like he's like, you're not ready for that.
This is it's a cruel conversation. They're going to point
out every flaw, every issue I have, every everything. You're
not ready for that, Like this is this is the
behind the scenes, closed door stuff like this that people
on the outside just aren't aren't ready for. And so
(36:02):
I just I came to the conclusion a long time ago. Man,
it's entertainment, Like just keep me entertained.
Speaker 5 (36:08):
They'd be claiming that they ready for it and that
they can handle it, and you look at the news
and you see all of these things going on around
you know, the country. They they certainly most people would
not be able to handle the sensitive conversations that take place.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
Yeah, just they just wouldn't.
Speaker 5 (36:25):
And so I mean even just locker room, just even players, like,
let's not even go up to to you know, to
the people up top, just talk about the players. If
you were able to listen to what a locker room
sounds like and the things people say in the locker room, oh,
you'd be like that guy should be fired.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
Oh my god.
Speaker 5 (36:47):
These are the things they discuss when we're not in
front of the camera and on the raid. Oh my gosh,
what despicable, disgusting people they are.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
I'm not a fan of him anymore. Here some wow
s man. Two Pros and a couple of Jonas. What
do you mean you would make it in the lease.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
Damn.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
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Speaker 6 (38:10):
These might smell a little funk, sounds incredible, but they're
still good. Time to find out what's lack? It's Lee Lajos, all.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
Right, d'lap? What do we got guys?
Speaker 7 (38:21):
What may be the last did he update for a
while here. The prosecution and defense have both rested after
did He confirmed his decision not to testify, So now
we just have to wait, wait and see what it
goes on for.
Speaker 5 (38:34):
Are there are there bets on like level of guilty? Like,
are there are there is that on? Is that on
the line?
Speaker 7 (38:41):
I'm sure on some overseas places you can definitely find that.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
Not Uh, you can't bet on that on like DraftKings
or anything like that. So no, not on drafting, not
on draft kings, I mean, would not be something to bet.
Maybe maybe Brasers has a sports booker plus fifteen hundred
that he won't serve any time.
Speaker 7 (38:59):
I know that's what you're looking four right there?
Speaker 2 (39:00):
Far What am I?
Speaker 1 (39:01):
Why am I looking for that?
Speaker 7 (39:03):
Fifteen won't sere any time you get paid more than
twenty years, but less than life is plus five hundred.
Speaker 5 (39:11):
Plus five hundred more than twenty less than life. Now
I'm going with less than what is it fifteen twenty
twenty fifty.
Speaker 7 (39:21):
Plus fifteen Oh, for more than twenty years is plus
five hundred.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
He's getting less than twenty. So how long do they
think this is going to take to come to some
sort of conclusion? You never know what these kind of things.
Speaker 7 (39:33):
It could be just a few hours, could be a
few days, and.
Speaker 5 (39:38):
Then they're coming back with a verdict correct theoretically, So
there's no like hung juries or anything like well that
we'll find that out now. But I mean, there was
some issues with the jury people, right there was.
Speaker 7 (39:51):
One one excuse, there might have been a second one because.
Speaker 5 (39:54):
There was two, I believe, and they were both minorities,
is what they were trying to raise as the point,
Like they're basically trying to say that it's going to
be all white people judging P Diddy's black ass.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
That's such a real pet peeve of mine. Yeah, that's
the real outcry here, not what he did. It's, uh,
the jurism, the fact that they got rid of the two. Yes,
not what he's So basically.
Speaker 5 (40:15):
If you're a minority, you can relate to all of
the things that he did, and he's got a chance
of getting off.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
Yeah, Okay, not.
Speaker 7 (40:22):
All cases can have a hungry I looked it up.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
This can this one can you can? Yeah? Uh, guys,
damn might be appropriate for that. I knew you was
thinking something crazy. I knew you was the I knew
you was going to say something crazy like trying to
get to the bottom of this stuff here, all right,
God what you said?
Speaker 2 (40:43):
Lee?
Speaker 7 (40:43):
Uh, Well, enjoy the NBA Draft tonight, fellas we all
know Cooper where Cooper Flag's going, and enjoy the rest
of it.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
And the draft tonight. I'm out of here.
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can hear on the Blowtorch, A five seventy l e
Sports Fox College Football analyst and our good buddy here, Petros.
Good morning, Hello, Petroning.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Hello, Hello, hello to everybody.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
How you doing, Petros? I'm okay, I guess okay, I
could dig that pee. What do you think about LaVar
and his new show named Black and Drack.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
What do you think about it? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:32):
I mean, I don't know when Brady gonna come back.
You're gonna have to add a horse.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Dang, dangang. All right, So Pete, we were talking about just,
you know, the old school I saw I saw a
clip and I was watching this morning of an old
NFL game, and they showed some guy getting lit up
on a crack back block on a punt return, and
(01:58):
it just got us talking about like old school football.
How often do you find yourself looking at old highlights
and going, well, that wouldn't be allowed today.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
I don't know, I mean a lot. I guess it
was really hard to be calling games through those rule changes,
if you know what I mean. Like, it was really
hard because when I first started calling games, everything was
pretty much there, you know, all the crackbacks, all the
cut blocks, everything, setting up a guy on the end
(02:31):
of the line and cracking back on him. Not even
in like a special team situation, but you know, just
just lining a guy up and cracking him back in
the way that a play is designed, which used to
be very kosher. We would try not to run and
practice that much against our own guys unless it was
somebody we didn't like. But that stuff was all in
(02:55):
play when I first started calling games. And then they
started to litt eight that stuff out of the game.
And I'm not here to say that they're wrong to
do it. I think that I think that they've made
football safer. I think I'm not exactly sure. I mean,
everybody's still big, strong and fast as hell, and there's
(03:15):
still a lot of really really intense collisions out there,
but a lot of that stuff has gone. And it
was really hard for the first few years to watch
somebody wear a call like a fifteen yard call that
was considered to be good football and it would change games,
(03:35):
you know, it would make a first down on a
drive and something like that, or heard a drive and
heard a team. But it was really hard for me
growing up with football the way I grew up and
being a run game defense kind of oriented guy son
of a defensive coordinator, it was hard to see that
(04:00):
stuff litigated out and to be like, well, okay, that's
it first down in twenty five now, I mean that
was that was I remember I had a visceral reaction
kind of to not liking it.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
But at the same time, you have to call the game.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
You can't just sit there and be a little bit
about it for the next three or four series just
because you didn't like something that happened in the game,
and you're just there to call the game. You're not
You're not there to tell people how to feel about it.
And it took me a while, it did. I mean,
I don't know if you if you wanted that kind
of a deep answer from me, but it did. It
(04:40):
took me that. I think that's one of the hardest things. Well,
being on radio with me too, and then COVID and
then all the other stuff happening, racial divide and riots.
That stuff's not easy either because people are always asking
you to take one side of the other and why
haven't you spoken out about this?
Speaker 2 (04:57):
And why haven't you spoken about that?
Speaker 3 (05:00):
That's a challenge that that's been a challenge and in
work as well. But one of the biggest challenges to
me was was was dealing with the way they changed
the game, calling the games and being able. And you
know the other thing that would bother me about it
is you'd get people that never played that never played.
And that's okay. I mean if people that were I
(05:21):
are the only people that were interested in football, are
people that had looked through a face mask before in
their lives, we wouldn't have jobs. So it's our job
to interpret the sport to others in many ways, and
I get that, But to have people that have never
played people on our crewise you know, people in the
production people play by play guys.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
That their reaction, Oh this, this is savage, this is terrible. Now,
how could you allow that? Look?
Speaker 3 (05:48):
He should be I should be bared for the game
forever once he doing, you know. I mean I used
to call a lot of I think we've talked about
it before, LeVar. I used to call a lot of
Vonte's perfect game in high school and college. And I
love that player. I mean, I knew he was crazy,
but I love the player. I love the way he
played defense, and I was inspired by it. And I'd
(06:10):
get in arguments with people this guy would either be
literated o the good you know, listening to guys like
that who don't understand what the sport is like, who
you're out there playing with, and what you're willing to
do for your teammates and what you're willing to take
for your teammates, and how quickly everything happens is usually
the main point I like to make. But it was
(06:33):
hard for me to have people sitting there telling you
what's right and wrong with the sport who have never
played the sport. So it took a lot of adjustment.
But one person that I'm really really grateful for is
Mike Pereira. You know, because Pereira, you guys see him.
You know, people see when I see you guys, I
mean listeners.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
You know.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
They they're used to seeing him sitting with Trom Brady
or Troy Aikman and Joe Buck and now it's Brady
and Kevin, but either way, they're used to seeing him
on the big NFL games.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
But people don't realize we have Peerra on our games.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Too, So he's sitting there all day and night, Saturday night,
Friday night, Thursday night, if we have a game, and
if it's not Pereira, it's Dean Blandino, who's excellent and
great to work with as well, and that the fact
that those guys are there. And I really love the
way Peira does it because he's not an over officious
(07:30):
jerk about it.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
He's not.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
He just wants to be able to explain it to
people and not argue in this and that. And you
just got to get out of the way and let
him go. And it helps so much, and it takes
you and your bias or whatever you feel about it
out of it, and he really helps. I mean, I
remember doing a game in Oklahoma State and it ended
(07:57):
up being the game of the week. They're playing Central
Michigan and there was a big controversy at the end,
big controversy about grounding. They gave the ball back to
an untimed down to Central Michigan and they were like
sixty yards out and I was like, those guys arms
are not good enough to make it to the end zone.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
I was right. It caught it on the ten and.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Pitched it to a dude and he ran it in
and it was bedlam. The pardon to term in a
T Boon picking stadium T boone. People in the Big
twelve office that were supposed to be in the replay
office did not know the rule, the officials at the
game did not know the rule.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Pereira is the only guy that knew the rule.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
So everybody in the building was an idiot except for
us on the broadcast, and that was only because of
Mike Pereira. So stuff like that has softened.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Me over the years.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
But yes, to make a long story short, I was very,
very disturbed by the rule changes when they first started happening,
and thought that they were changing the sport completely. And
maybe you look at it right now and with all
the targeting stuff and stopping the game and looking at
it and what we're all used to, maybe they did
change the sport completely. But I was able to adapt
(09:16):
to it. I guess, just you know, to continue to
make a living.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Can I ask just a question to both of you guys,
and do you believe do you trust in your abilities
that you could have adapted to the newer football and
excel like the way you did back when you were
playing or were you meant for that time and this
new era would not have been a good fit for it.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
I think LeVar would be fine.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Why you say that you're one of the best linebackers
in the history of college football. But I mean for me, yeah,
I'd have been fine. I mean, you know, I just
ran the ball. I mean, you know, you do what
the coaches tell you. And college football is so coach
oriented and everything is so I mean, once the game starts,
it's kind of chaotic, but there's a lot of there's
(10:05):
a lot of instruction going on. So it really has
more to do with the way they teach the game.
Part of the problem in college and part of the
reason we have such intense collisions and people don't realize
this is the hashmark placement, I mean the hash mark
placement between college and football, I mean pro football. They
make the games so different, and that's why all the
(10:28):
innovations in the sport generally come out of the college level,
because you have innovative coaches, sometimes in very obscure places,
playing with that extra space that you get when you're
on the boundary. And that's how we got chip Kelly stuff.
(10:49):
That's how we got leeches stuff, That's how we got
gundy stuff, how mummies stuff, all the different things that
have been innovated in the sport over the years, it's
because of that extra space. You can also hide a
white guy safety on the boundary, Am I wrong? No,
you know, and that guy can get like to you
know that guy.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
I haven't, but.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
You know Iowa State.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Yeah, they can put a guy on the boundary and say, wow, okay,
this guy can you know he can make fifteen tackles
in a game for us and not get exposed in
coverage because we only play him where there's not a
lot of field. I mean in the NFL. Yeah, when
they get tackled on the hash, there's more room to
the other side, but much less.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
So.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
What I'm trying to say is there's no there's no
way to get around people in the NFL. You have
to go kind of through them. Everybody's like, oh, the
guys are so fast, because it's like, well, yeah, they're
all They're also going a less amount of space. So
in college you get people really opening up their hips
and sprinting to the sideline, which creates vertical run lanes,
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and that does really create big collision because of the
space and because the players are just so reckless and
kind of don't know what they're doing. The other element
that I really realized in college was I didn't care
about the other guy on the other side of the
line of scrimmage, like, I didn't care if his leg
fell off. Literally, you know I do now, But back then,
(12:19):
I wanted those.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Guys to be to suffer.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Arizona State, whoever we were playing, I hated, I hated
my opponent, hated our opponents, and you didn't know them,
and you didn't care if their head flew clean off.
And in the NFL, guys, you know, everybody's making money.
People tend to want to stay off each other's legs.
People understand the value of being able to stay out
(12:44):
there and playing the game in a cleaner way. In college,
we didn't care. We wanted everybody to die, seriously, because
we were out there suffering. So more space, more speed,
innovations and the sport idiot young people playing.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
And the rules changing.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
All of those things have happened over the last few
years that we've been discussing. But yeah, the space on
the field I think leads to bigger collisions at the
college level as well.
Speaker 5 (13:15):
Speaking of rules and different things at the college level. Obviously,
hanging out an opportunity to talk to you. Since the
House versus the NCAA deal, you know, has continued to progress,
how are you feeling about it. I mean, do you
feel as though you know that decision taking place and
(13:35):
now being official, that there is the amount of money
that the universities will you know.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Have the.
Speaker 5 (13:43):
Option of how to use it on the student athletes? Like,
do you feel like it can improve college football?
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Is this?
Speaker 5 (13:50):
Is this going in the right direction? How are you
viewing it?
Speaker 2 (13:54):
It has to be there.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
I mean, I think it'll be chaos, but that's not
any different than what we deal with. And I think
it will probably end a lot of the the fun,
smaller school type of stuff in the sport.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Maybe I'm not really sure. I'm not. I don't think
anybody really.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
Knows how it's gonna look, because I mean most people,
if you just talk to casual people on the street
that think that they're sports fans, and they are, and
they'll say, well, college is great now. All the players
are getting paid, right, It's like no, And even if
they are getting paid, they're not getting paid by who
(14:32):
they should be getting paid by. I mean, the universities
are still shoveling these billion dollar TV deal revenues straight
into their coffers without any play. All they pay is
the coaches. I mean that's the only thing they have
to pay, and for the stadium and all that stuff.
The one thing that's the biggest commodity in the sport
(14:54):
the players and the guys between the lines competing that
make up your college football program. They're the ones that
aren't getting paid, and they're the ones that generate that
billion dollars in revenue or whatever it is. So it's
always been backwards. The same people that we've had paying
the players under the table for many years, of course,
(15:14):
are the same people paying them above board now. So
the university are still making out like bandits, although they
now have these nil collectives they have to deal with.
We are in a new territory where you know how
the NFL is in a new territory where all the
second rounders are holding out right, Well, we're in new
(15:35):
territory in college football because Wisconsin's nil collective is suing
Miami's an IL collective and that's never happened before. I
think it's over a dB after signing his deal, Bailey
I think is his name, so and that's unprecedented. So
now you know, we're starting to get a little bit
(15:56):
more uniformity and like, hey, you're here you can't go.
You know, the portal is closed for you. You know
that kind of stuff. And I mean, I'm not smart enough.
It's obviously an intelligent question. I'm not smart enough to
tell you what it's all going to look like when
the bureaucrats get done with it.
Speaker 5 (16:15):
But it happens, I'm not sure the smart people will
be able to answer that right now today, to be
honest with you.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
But I will say this philosophically. With so much money
being made. I mean, there's always been a lot of
money being made in college football by the universities, and
it's always been a little bit of a well kept secret.
But you know, in the last twenty years or whatever,
the pile of money that they just keep putting behind
(16:42):
them or shoving under the carpet looks like you're hiding
like a giant camel under the carpeter. Right, there's so
much money, so that the money's gotta be used for
something other than paying players and building for I mean,
paying coaches and.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Building for self and homes.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
Yeah, it's seriously, it's it should be used. It should
be used to pay the players. So I mean to
say that they're trying to get that done and not
say that they're going in the right direction would be wrong.
I feel as if they're going in the right direction.
But I don't trust bureaucracy. Uh, you know, the bureaucracy
of the government's one thing, and then you get all
these universities that are filled with bureaucrats, and it's kind
(17:23):
of hard to figure how things are going to end up.
But I do believe, Yeah, we we have to pay
players some kind of baseline salary. We need, you know,
some kind of uniformity in that. But we can't even
get people to agree on how many freaking conference games
they got to play.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
So we'll we'll.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
See, Petrus. We were talking about Deonchay.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
To Jonas's point the other day.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
Our off season sucks the worst, the worst, absolutely sucks.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
It's miserable. It's a portal nil automatic.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
Qualify for the Dodgers were throwing Japanese parties with every
guy they signed. You know, in the NFL, you know
people are and Roger Goodell like people like him, and
they don't you know, at the draft. Everybody's got the
off season figured out.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
But us I did like the the Asahi read during
the Dodger broadcast on the blow tour yesterday.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
Though Jim Kates has got every every Japanese read in.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
The world and Green Tea. He really does.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
So we were talking about then she sushi ready made
sushi at the Rouse Star.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
And by the way, I say, you guys a pick
of it. I saw it at Ralph's. I said, you
guys don't know about place?
Speaker 5 (18:35):
Then she do you guys know about the sushi place
that was on the the What is it?
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Stars? The Midas? Not Midas? What what are Michelin Michelin Stars.
Speaker 5 (18:48):
They took him off because it's in a train station
and it's so exclusive that they don't care how much
money you have. It's like they're booked out for months,
you know what I'm talking about. I forget his name.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
I don't know, but I know a friend of mine
got a Michelin Star, the first Michelin Star for a
restaurant in the South Bay and he's in a little
strip mall. He'll serve anybody, but it was it's not
a sushi plays.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
I don't even understand the Michelin star stuff. I didn't
even know that was a thing until Lee brought it up.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
When I was a kid. You know my father's restaurant.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
We had the Zaggat uh, the Zaggut ratings, you know,
the Zaggat book.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
That was a thing. Maybe some people know it.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
It was kind of like the Thomas Guide for restaurants
when we were younger, and that was a big deal.
I mean we were we were a good we were
a great dinnerhouse. So we got invited to the banquets
and stuff with all the other you know, like Spago
and all the other Wolfgang Pocking. Yeah, he was their chef.
He was an old friend of the restaurant for many years.
(19:51):
A lot of those guys.
Speaker 5 (19:53):
And the guy, Yeah, he's a really nice, super cool dude.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
I mean I grew up around a lot one of
those guys, so we would, you know. And I was
even nominated as a waiter many years ago. So that
was the stuff we went to. But I don't think
we were arteesonal enough to be a Michelin restaurant. But
I don't remember when the Michelin star thing started. I'm
sure it's been happening for a long time, but I
(20:18):
only started hearing about it maybe about twenty years ago.
Speaker 5 (20:22):
It's in Tokyo and the guy's name is Sekuyabashi Jiro. Yeah,
she'd keep with bush old Jero. I could ask my
little brother. My little brother is almost like a Japanese guy.
It's like the best sushi restaurant. He's a Japanese Greek
in the world.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
He is. Dimitri's actually very uh. My little brother is well,
he's very Greek. In fact, he sings in Greek in
the church every week. But he's he's married to a
Japanese woman. There two little girls who go to Japanese school.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
So what would that mix be called?
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Hop along? Anybody who's half Asian, they call him a papa.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Wait what Wait?
Speaker 2 (21:12):
You guys have never heard the term hoppa? Hell. I
had a friend named Happy McGrath because he was half
a tag.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
It's a term uh for uh racially mixed children. Usually
if you're like half Hawaiian or half Japanese.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Or my son's half white half Mexican. Is he he
doesn't count.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
He's just a damn.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Damn it. It doesn't count. Sorry, he doesn't need to.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Maybe it does count. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
But we call him noxicans what we call him. That's fine.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
But he's also half vampire, don't.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Yeah, it's true that I come home, he's hanging upside
down again.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
You gotta fly a nubis air like they did on
a True Blow. But I, uh, yeah, they speak Japanese
beautifully and uh he knows the culture very well.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
He lived there for a few years.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
So I will ask him about it. About that rest Tokyo,
it's a it's in a train station. He'll know it well.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
All the you know, all the dorks around here, you
know that come and work for Fox. You know they're
like you ever been to Sugarfish?
Speaker 3 (22:19):
I love Sugarfish and went to Sugarfish with one of
the Fox executives that gun fired.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
All right, it's great.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
What to Sugarfish with Joy Taylor? She's so awesome. She
has such great hot takes.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
We're sure kidd about X at the old p He
is Petro's Papadagcas. I'll see you later on today, Petros.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Yes, thank you. Jonas.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Jonas is going to be with me today and tomorrow
on AM five seventy.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Yeah, I appreciate the invite.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Do you want to be a co host?
Speaker 1 (22:55):
I mean, you've never asked me. You never asked me.
How long is your show for today?
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Two and a half hours you've never asked. No, no, yeah, if.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
The co host list is.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
Expansive, you want to come in and work another three
hours of radio?
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Hey, bro, I like talking radio.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Will you drive to Burbank?
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Uh? That's you see? You got me there? Damn damn
try it.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
No, we can try it out sometime. But but Jonas
is coming today. The Dodgers are in Colorado, so we'll
start it.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Too sweet, Okay, all right, So Petro, so you can
get them, don't I.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
Mean, don't be that guy, I mean LeVar, don't be
like Hey, you can play me to the boundary.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
You know, I'll run out there.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Now. You can put me in the middle of the defense,
you know what I mean, and we can.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
We'll cover up both guards and you can just run into.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
There you go.
Speaker 5 (23:54):
Yeah, I'll come mess with you. Well if I can
use my comrades.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
If we do bring you in, I will make sure
both guards are covered. Okay, so you can run free. Perfect,
they're not stemming to you.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Perfect backer backer eleven eleven eleven.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
There he is.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Yeah, there is how.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Much we're gonna do.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
Did I ever tell you we played Penn State Jonas
the game the first game that they were that.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
They had without LeVar.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
So two thousand was the first two thousands in the NFL,
and we played him in the first game of two thousand.
So you're watching all the film from ninety nine. There's
there's nothing to look at from two thousand, and our
coaches had to reiterate to us every time the film
came on. Listen, this guy's not there anymore. Don't worry
about this.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
That's pretty cool.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
We're like, God, damn nice. All right, all right, they
got some other guys, but this one is not there.
Speaker 5 (24:51):
That's how we felt when we played Arizona. We were
looking at Chris mccallis to read like, oh he was great,
Like yeah, no, he's not there anymore.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Great. We got a corner.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
Yeah, we got it, big corner like Albert Lewis out there.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Dale Carter, Dale, Carter, Yeah, I appreciate to come right Patrick,
all right, well, you know I'll be sure to listen
to you guys today. Yeah, Ben, stay right there. He
is the great Petroday just the co host of the
Petro Some Money Show, which you can't here on the
blow Torch and five seventy l a Sports Fox college
football analyst, get him on X at the old pe
(25:24):
but that one of the greatest college football linebackers of
all time. Look at you? Whoa whoa? Now look at you.
You were unaware of that?
Speaker 2 (25:32):
No I knew that.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Just it's fun to reiterate that some people know, just
in case people.
Speaker 5 (25:37):
I was somebody in a previous life. Man, then I
was reduced to doing radio with you and Q.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Damn where are they now?
Speaker 1 (25:48):
He's doing radio? He doesn't even get to go to Burbank.
They fill the bar, sit next to Count Chocolate three
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up next here on Two Pros and a Cup of Joe,
we are going to find out why, uh, the league
(26:09):
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Two Pros and a cup of Joe. Fox Sports Radio,
LaVar Arrington, Jonas Knox with you here. We are going
to have another edition of The Lee's Leftovers coming up
in about twelve minutes from now here on Fox Sports Radio.
So we were talking about this collusion stuff that came
out in the NFL, and this was from earlier in
(27:26):
the show. We were discussing Pablo Torri got ahold of
the court documents the NFL. The NFLPA didn't want these
getting out apparently, but it was from a closed door meeting.
The NFLPA had brought a grievance against the NFL because
they were claiming collusion with Roger Goodell reportedly encouraging all
thirty two teams to reduce contract guarantees for veteran players
(27:48):
at the March twenty twenty two owners meetings. The NFL
actually won the grievance, but you know, the arbiter did
find that quote. There was a little question at the
NFL Managent Council, with the blessing of the Commissioner, encouraged
the thirty two NFL teams to reduce guarantees and veterans
contracts at the March twenty twenty two annual Owners meeting.
(28:09):
And so one of the details of this that came
out was former NFLPA president J. C. Trettor trashing Russell
Wilson for his contract handling with the Broncos, saying that
he weakened the push for guaranteed contracts. And apparently J. C. Trettor,
(28:33):
in some text exchanges that he had with Demorris Smith,
called Russell Wilson all sorts of insults, called him a wuss,
and some other things, basically saying, you know, we were
trying to push for guaranteed contracts, yet this is the
(28:53):
guy who's going to ruin it for everybody. I basically
just went in on Russell Wilson and he's handling for
trying to get that guaranteed contract, and so that is
believed to be why there was some thought that this
was being hidden and had been hidden for months and
was so difficult to get hold of. Because the feeling was,
(29:15):
why wouldn't the NFLPA be running to push this out
there to let everybody know clearly there's evidence here of collusion. Clearly,
you know, we've got the arbiter saying that Roger Goodell
clearly gave the edict to owners to reduce guaranteed contract. Like,
there's a lot of stuff here that would point to that.
Why would the NFLPA want this hidden? And the thought
(29:36):
is that JC Tretter was behind the NFLPA want to
get hidden because this is a bad look if somebody
from your union who represents your union is airing out
one of his own players and somebody else also from
the union in the way that he did when it
comes to Russell Wilson, and it just it just goes
(29:58):
to to the story of Russell Wilson can't catch a
break manes though every time I'm.
Speaker 5 (30:07):
Just I'm confused, though, like why, I mean, I don't
understand why trash Russ over over this scenario, over this situation.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Help me, give me some more content because they were
they were pushing for guaranteed contracts, and Russell Wilson they
feel like didn't try hard enough, like that he didn't
he didn't do enough to push for that guaranteed contract
with the Broncos. And so because of that he got
aired out. And you know, if you're an if you're
(30:37):
an NFL owner and you're talking about well, you know,
if there's collusion, if there's this and that, you've got
their PA you can't even get it together, and and
they're airing out their own player, and and you know,
clearly if owners were colluding against anybody, you've got the
NFL PA and their their president J C. Tretdter calling
(30:57):
people out. And apparently there's some that think this is
going to turn out bad for him because if he's
got ideas of going higher and higher and higher when
it comes to who knows, maybe you know, being the
next to Morris Smith, there's something down the line that
people will look back on this and go, why would
we want him to represent us when in the midst
(31:20):
of guaranteed contracts he went and aired one of us
out to somebody and then tried to hide it so
that nobody found.
Speaker 5 (31:28):
Out about it. I mean that sounds like, you know,
it's just that situation to be in loose lips ships, right.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
Some people have called it, you know, a little bit
kind of a snake in the grass move, you know
to if you're representing the union, you're you're there to
support everybody, and instead he's burying some guy in a
text exchange with Demorris Smith about you know, he's as
such and such and just did they talk about the
Morris his lips in that? I don't think so. I
(31:57):
think they left that, they kept they stayed away from that. Yeah,
they left it to somebody else. But this, but this
goes to show you back to the original point of
all this, when you find out how the stuff is
handled behind the scenes, when you find out how the
sausage is made, so to speak, and then you realize, oh, god, like,
(32:21):
it's a it's a dirty business. People are trashing each
other behind their backs. You've got owners colluding, you've got
all these other I just don't know how many people
nowadays look at this and go, oh, well, this is
a shocker. I thought everything was on the up and up,
and I thought the NFL was filled with great guys
(32:41):
and owners wanted to do it the right way and
players had to do of course that are yes, that's
how it works. And I nothing that came out of
any of these documents makes me feel any differently about
the NFL, and I think there's a lot of people
who feel the same who go listen, it's great, it's
(33:02):
interesting that we know the behind the scenes of this
collusion case, but it's not going to stop us from
being ready to go when training camps over and we're
getting ready for the season, Like, nobody's gonna be like,
you know what, I can't watch this anymore. I now
know what they said about Russell Wilson in the NFLPA.
It's like, no, dude, nobody cares, like they just want
to tell you.
Speaker 5 (33:23):
Could you imagine in today's society and culture, if they
were actually able to hear how these conversations like how
they play out, they wouldn't be able to handle it,
And a lot of these people will have to be
selling their stock and their stake in the team because
(33:43):
there'd be so much public outrage. People too sensitive, people
are too soft anymore to handle what people say behind
closed doors. And so when you went and here's what's
the funniest aspect of it all, Jonas. Some of the
very there people that will call for, you know, the
dismissal and sell the team and this is horrible and
(34:08):
what are they doing are the worst ones and the
way they communicate behind closed doors. But because they see
it from someone else, it doesn't apply to them. It
just applies to the people that got caught that are
relevant enough in those moments. You know, some of the
things like like just just coaching talk in general, and
(34:30):
how they talk, or how coaches talk to players and
meetings and stuff like that, or how owners and gms
and scouts, how they talk about players and things that
are said. It will I mean, it sounds like they
be crashing out, you know, so to me, the sensitivities
(34:52):
surrounding you know, what was said? So what so what
they talk bad about Russell Wilson, so what. Somebody's always
going to get talked nicely about. Somebody's always going to
get talked badly about. Sometimes that one person that got
talked badly about will find themselves in a different conversation
being talked about in a glowing, you know, positive manner.
(35:15):
Sometimes the one that was getting talked nice about gets
dog like, dog beat like, tongue lashed like whatever.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
I know a story about a guy who was playing
Major League baseball, a really good player, but he was
going into arbitration, and his wife wanted to go into
the arbitration meeting with him, and he told her no.
He's like, because you're not going to like what you
have to hear, because they're basically going to tell you
all the reasons why they're not going to give you
(35:42):
what you want. Like he's like, you're not ready for that.
This is it's a cruel conversation. They're going to point
out every flaw, every issue I have, every everything. You're
not ready for that, Like this is this is the
behind the scenes, closed door stuff like this that people
on the outside just aren't aren't ready for. And so
(36:02):
I just I came to the conclusion a long time ago. Man,
it's entertainment, Like just keep me entertained.
Speaker 5 (36:08):
They'd be claiming that they ready for it and that
they can handle it, and you look at the news
and you see all of these things going on around
you know, the country. They they certainly most people would
not be able to handle the sensitive conversations that take place.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
Yeah, just they just wouldn't.
Speaker 5 (36:25):
And so I mean even just locker room, just even players, like,
let's not even go up to to you know, to
the people up top, just talk about the players. If
you were able to listen to what a locker room
sounds like and the things people say in the locker room, oh,
you'd be like that guy should be fired.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
Oh my god.
Speaker 5 (36:47):
These are the things they discuss when we're not in
front of the camera and on the raid. Oh my gosh,
what despicable, disgusting people they are.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
I'm not a fan of him anymore. Here some wow
s man. Two Pros and a couple of Jonas. What
do you mean you would make it in the lease.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
Damn.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
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Speaker 6 (38:10):
These might smell a little funk, sounds incredible, but they're
still good. Time to find out what's lack? It's Lee Lajos, all.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
Right, d'lap? What do we got guys?
Speaker 7 (38:21):
What may be the last did he update for a
while here. The prosecution and defense have both rested after
did He confirmed his decision not to testify, So now
we just have to wait, wait and see what it
goes on for.
Speaker 5 (38:34):
Are there are there bets on like level of guilty? Like,
are there are there is that on? Is that on
the line?
Speaker 7 (38:41):
I'm sure on some overseas places you can definitely find that.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
Not Uh, you can't bet on that on like DraftKings
or anything like that. So no, not on drafting, not
on draft kings, I mean, would not be something to bet.
Maybe maybe Brasers has a sports booker plus fifteen hundred
that he won't serve any time.
Speaker 7 (38:59):
I know that's what you're looking four right there?
Speaker 2 (39:00):
Far What am I?
Speaker 1 (39:01):
Why am I looking for that?
Speaker 7 (39:03):
Fifteen won't sere any time you get paid more than
twenty years, but less than life is plus five hundred.
Speaker 5 (39:11):
Plus five hundred more than twenty less than life. Now
I'm going with less than what is it fifteen twenty
twenty fifty.
Speaker 7 (39:21):
Plus fifteen Oh, for more than twenty years is plus
five hundred.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
He's getting less than twenty. So how long do they
think this is going to take to come to some
sort of conclusion? You never know what these kind of things.
Speaker 7 (39:33):
It could be just a few hours, could be a
few days, and.
Speaker 5 (39:38):
Then they're coming back with a verdict correct theoretically, So
there's no like hung juries or anything like well that
we'll find that out now. But I mean, there was
some issues with the jury people, right there was.
Speaker 7 (39:51):
One one excuse, there might have been a second one because.
Speaker 5 (39:54):
There was two, I believe, and they were both minorities,
is what they were trying to raise as the point,
Like they're basically trying to say that it's going to
be all white people judging P Diddy's black ass.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
That's such a real pet peeve of mine. Yeah, that's
the real outcry here, not what he did. It's, uh,
the jurism, the fact that they got rid of the two. Yes,
not what he's So basically.
Speaker 5 (40:15):
If you're a minority, you can relate to all of
the things that he did, and he's got a chance
of getting off.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
Yeah, Okay, not.
Speaker 7 (40:22):
All cases can have a hungry I looked it up.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
This can this one can you can? Yeah? Uh, guys,
damn might be appropriate for that. I knew you was
thinking something crazy. I knew you was the I knew
you was going to say something crazy like trying to
get to the bottom of this stuff here, all right,
God what you said?
Speaker 2 (40:43):
Lee?
Speaker 7 (40:43):
Uh, Well, enjoy the NBA Draft tonight, fellas we all
know Cooper where Cooper Flag's going, and enjoy the rest
of it.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
And the draft tonight. I'm out of here.
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