July 12, 2025 • 46 mins
This week on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, LaVar Arrington and Jonas Knox fill-in on The Herd, recapping their 4th of July shenanigans. They wonder who ‘misled’ who between Kirk Cousins and the Falcons. And The Old P, Petros Papadakis joins the guys after being robbed on vacation.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
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Speaker 3 (00:37):
It's a Herd Fox Sports Radio, Bavoy Rrington, Jonas Knox
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(00:58):
noon Pacific time here on the Monday after a wild
Fourth of July week?
Speaker 4 (01:03):
What do you mean a wild prehi A wild pre
show meeting of the mines, and I mean we could
have did a three hour show on the industry, but
you know, behind the scenes storylines, I mean they're really doozy. Yeah, definitely,
mister Celsius. I blame Celsius. I love y'all's drinks, though.
Speaker 5 (01:26):
It is Uh, it's been a How was the fourth
of July weekend. Huh did you? Because here's the probably.
It's on a weekend. It started on a friday, so
you just gave people an excuse to get butchered for
two days.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
After you heard the wildest story. So we got a
rooftop lounge on my house. Right, So we're going upstairs. Everything,
well it must not be. We were up there, we're
hanging out, and the way it's set up, you can't
see us up there.
Speaker 5 (01:55):
So if something's going on up there, you can maybe
hear it.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
Possibly, or if you do something like say we were
to shoot fireworks off or something like that, you might
have an idea that, Okay, they can get up on
the roof whatever. Right, but it's a balcony, it's it's
a rooftop lone. So we go up there and we
have one of those, we have a safe portable fire pit.
Fire pit gets let lit up. But here's what here's
(02:19):
the problem. The girls go up to do it and
they put five door of flames on there. Five so
you got this big ass flame and the flame was
giving off black smoke. Right, So we're sitting up there,
we're listening to music, we're having a good time. We're looking.
We can see all of the fireworks from the piers
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in the beach City, South Bay all the way out
to wherever Orange County. You could just see all of
the fireworks going off. So we're watching the fireworks and
I'm like, man, these these firemen are going the police
are going to have a busy night because you could
see the random fire works going up right, which, by
the way, fireworks in la is really a thing.
Speaker 6 (03:02):
Bro Oh my god.
Speaker 5 (03:03):
I heard fireworks from nine a m.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
Literally non stop until I went to sleep at like
two am in the morning.
Speaker 5 (03:15):
Yeah, white people light fireworks off during the day.
Speaker 6 (03:17):
I mean it was the entire day.
Speaker 5 (03:20):
All you heard was oh the whole day.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
Anyway, back to my point, so the fire's going up,
and I'm like, man, firemen, cops, they're gonna have to
run around because you know, you make these wildfires, this,
that and the other, and we're not even thinking about
And sure enough you see a fire engine come out,
fire engine comes out that a die boom, boom boom.
I'm like, oh man, you hear some fireworks going off
in our area. So it's like the firemen come up
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in our area and it's like they turned the lights off,
but they're coming up in the area. The next thing
you know, they get up and they're like one street
away from us. I was like, man, they're right here.
Something going on right then I looked at our fire pit.
I was like, this fire is high. They drive past
the street, so I'm thinking they're about to go past
the street. They turned the lights on, turn the lights on,
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turn down our street.
Speaker 5 (04:12):
I was like, yep, they coming here.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
I had to go down to the front grab grab
and they were really really cool. I'm big time, you know,
support first responders. I appreciate Redondo Beach Fire Department. Uh,
really really cool people.
Speaker 6 (04:24):
So I walk them.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
Man, we walk up, they look at it, They're like, man,
everything's cool. He's like, but your neighbors are freaking out.
They are freaking out. I go look over the ads
and I see a whole crowd of people in two
three yards looking up. Look it up out of our house.
They thought that bad boy was burning down. So anyways,
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I put we put it out. But that was that
was an eventful deal. And now, in your mind, we
live in a day and age with cell phones that
can record. Now, I didn't want to record it because
anything shady might have happened like oh, get it on it,
this is on camera, Da da da, But it would
have been interesting to see a camera shot of the
fire engine pulling down our street, then the fire department
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coming into the crib, then us having a cool conversation
up on the rooftop, and then them leaving. That would
have been cool because that's never happened to me before ever.
So there you go. Emergency crew first responders came to
make sure the house wasn't burning that.
Speaker 5 (05:25):
You know what blows my mind the number of people
that decide, knowing all the warning signs, knowing all the dangers,
seeing all the injuries, seeing all that, and still being like,
got it this year, I got it. Don't warn let's
let's fire off four or five mortar bombs within close
proximity to somebody's house, children in cars and just see
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what happens. We weren't doing that, by the way, but
in La everybody was. Yeah, they were.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
I mean from nine am, literally from nine am to
one am. It was non It is not an over
exaggeration to say it was non stop. You could hear
the fireworks going off NonStop from nine to one am.
Speaker 5 (06:13):
So growing up in southern California. And two you might
remember this, but it used to be if you wanted
to get fireworks, you had to go to a place
called Fillmore. Did you have to go somewhere out Yeah,
you gotta go to Film Country. It's got to drive
all the way inland to this small town of Fillmore
by the way. Il Pescador, a great Mexican spot out there.
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But that was the place if you if somebody told you, hey,
I'm going to Fillmore, it's like, oh, hey, bring me
back a Roman candle, like a box of Piccolo Pete's.
Like it was like this undercover, under the radar spot
that you would go to get fireworks. Now now it
seems like you can get them anywhere. Like somebody's got
like a trunk, then they're selling fireworks out of them.
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Like there's some rock band trying to make it in
the business selling t shirts out of the back of
their car.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
Crazy you get fireworks, rocket launchers, grenade launchers.
Speaker 5 (07:07):
I don't understand, oozies.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
It's just it used to be really hard to get
a hold of these things, and nowadays you can, Hey,
right there, there you go some more. There's some fireworks
right there like I was like, over the weekend, I
was talking Isaac Lohancrawn, who's an anchor at Fox Sports Radio,
and Isaac was telling me, so, oh, yeah, we have
a fireworks alley.
Speaker 5 (07:29):
I was like, what's that. He goes, oh, yeah, it's
an alley near our place and people light off fireworks there.
And he sent me a video. I'm like, oh, you
mean all this illegal activity on video?
Speaker 6 (07:38):
You mean all that? He no, no, no.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
Sheriff came by and said, hey, you guys are good.
Enjoy your Fourth of July. I won't tell you what.
Wait what that's just all of a sudden allowed. But
apparently that's what fourth is, the lies turned into. I
will say some of the dopest fireworks shows. One is
in State College, the one they do at Beaver State.
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It's it's like connected and then sync with like music.
It's pretty dope.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
Man, Like, if you're able to go to a fireworks show,
that's like really a show, like even the one at
Disney they do every night.
Speaker 5 (08:13):
Yeah, oh that's.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
What the lasers and fireworks and on a crazy man,
when you could do it when somebody's doing it right,
I've never got any type of a rush or any
type of a crazy feeling with with fireworks. I just
rather watch them. It's never been a thing where I'm like.
Speaker 6 (08:35):
I gotta like this bad, let's do it. Like that's just.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
Never been my thing. I don't know. I mean, I
don't know why that is. But but some people really
really get off on letting off on those those fireworks.
Speaker 5 (08:51):
Man, they love seeing the they lighten the fuse. N
It's like, dude, augusta win. That thing tilts over and
points in the direction of either other fireworks or somebody,
and we got a problem.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
I was just seeing it all on social media where
the joints go in a different direction, went into the garage,
blue start blowing the garage up, hit the card and
blew the car up, hitting kids.
Speaker 5 (09:15):
Like hit hit family members like why did you do it?
I know it Like I always tell this story, but
I remember reading about this. There was some dude in Maine.
Him and his buddy were out in the field somewhere
like I won't be safe. You know, there's no uh
no property within within the distance, so we've got some
and the guy thought it would be a good idea
to take a mortar bomb put it on his head.
(09:36):
And then light it. What here's how the ending of
that story went. Uh, he wasn't going to lids anytime soon.
I'll put it that way.
Speaker 6 (09:44):
Okay, what are you doing?
Speaker 4 (09:48):
I don't under There was a couple of dudes that
was lighting them and then squatting on top of them,
and then it took off like and the the catch
the captions be off the chain like in my stomach,
like get in my belly, and you know what they
were talking about.
Speaker 5 (10:07):
The man's jewels was in his belly by the time.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
It's just it's the dumbest thing that people do to
try to go viral sometimes is during the fourth of July,
fourth of July weekends that they it's crazy what people
do with these fireworks.
Speaker 5 (10:21):
Yeah, it's it's it's I don't I don't understand it.
Speaker 6 (10:25):
I don't know. Uh.
Speaker 5 (10:26):
And I would also say this, if you want to
spoil yourselves, because Collins in Chicago and Ryan Music will
be out there, let me just little little recommendation. You
go to Navy Peer. There's a restaurant at Navy Peer
right up on top and during the summertime they light
off fireworks two days a week. It's awesome. And the
best part is professionals are doing it.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
Go figure, it's not How many professionals do you think
do the fireworks during the course of a fourth of
July day?
Speaker 5 (10:58):
Less than one percent? Yeah, less than one percent.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
All I know is you can't comprehend it unless you
lived it. Nine a m. I was awaken. My windows
are open and I'm listening and I hear it's not
non stop, And at first I didn't know what it was.
And then I asked a couple of people like, man, yeah,
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it's four for July. Like what you may is four
for July. You wait till the night, You wait till
there's no point. It's like it's like, hey, I'm gonna
go lay out.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
By the pool. It's ten o'clock at night. You wait
till dust point.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
You barbecue during today, you set off a couple of sparklers,
you throw the little white dips.
Speaker 6 (11:38):
That pop hop pop pop? Like what why is it
going all day long?
Speaker 4 (11:44):
Like?
Speaker 6 (11:46):
Who does that?
Speaker 4 (11:48):
How is this possible that I can hear fireworks going
off non stop from nine am until I went to
bid at one am in the morning.
Speaker 5 (11:57):
How many NFL players do you think woke up this
morning ain't gonna like, huh, thank god, well year. But
also everybody can't say that need to get to camp down.
I need to get away from these people. I gotta
get the camp. I mean, JPP was on the rundown,
you know, try and get back into league.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
I mean, talk about a tailor to take caution of
of sorts.
Speaker 5 (12:17):
By the way, Jason Pierre Paul under the radar. Great career, yes, dude,
I was looking at over the weekend. Ninety four and
a half career sacks. Yes, he's talked to it. He's
he wants to get back in the league. It's probably
not gonna happen at this point, but I mean, that
would be cool for him to get back and break
a hundred sacks. But that would be pretty cool. All
you think about with him is the fireworks incident. Well,
(12:39):
I mean, because that's just how society he almost got
a hundred sacks.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
He will be forever remembered for blowing his hand off,
more so than having a dope career, by the way,
because people don't remember things like, oh, you had a
great career. Like people forget guys that I had great careers.
They get drafted out. You forget about it. You forget
about careers, you don't forget about crazy.
Speaker 5 (13:00):
The fourth of July. It's gonna come up every day,
and it's been ten years every time. Four guy's got
almost one hundred career sacks, he's got two super Bowl rings,
and uh, LeVar made a comment, you know, which I
thought was insulting before the show when I was I
was pointing out, I was like, hey, man, you know
Jpp's got two super Bowl rings. So I was like, yeah,
where's he gonna put up? I thought it was out
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of line, which I thought was disrespectful because I did
not say that. But you look at his career. You
look at his career, and you go, man, that guy
had a great career and did a lot of that
after the injury, and all anybody talks about is that
moment on fourth of July, and every single year he's
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going to be reminded of it. The guy came back
and remember when he came back and played with a
cast on and still you know, continued his career. So yeah,
it's it's uh, this was a crazy weekend. Hopefully everybody,
uh you know, didn't make any mistakes with those fireworks,
even though some did like they do every year. And
now NFL players everywhere are like, all right, vacation's over.
(14:07):
Training camps right around the corner. It's grind time, bar
this is tis the season.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
Season, Yeah, to be football, and listen, I'm excited for it.
There's a lot going on and there's a lot to
talk about. Yeah, and that's what the NFL gives you,
you know. And I know we shouts out to Independence Day,
shots out to the fourth of July. But now that
we've gotten those things out of the way, now those
are the topics of conversations we can touch on.
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Speaker 5 (16:20):
You know, apparently not everybody feels like they were told
the truth from time to time. You know, some some
people feel like in the NFL that maybe if they
would have had some different information, maybe things would have
gone a little bit a little bit more. I guess
on the opposite spectrum with how they made their decisions
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and how they opted to make those career choices during
the course of their illustrious, high paying NFL employment. And
one of those guys is none other than Kirk Cousins,
who was featured on Netflix's Quarterback Season two, and he
talked talked about the decision to go to Atlanta and
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how well had I known that, maybe I wouldn't have
made that move.
Speaker 8 (17:08):
I wasn't expecting us to take a quarterback so high
at the time, it felt like I had been a
little bit misled, or certainly if I had the information
around Preegency, it certainly would have affected my decision. I
had no reason to leave Minnesota with how much we
loved it there. If both teams are going to be
drafting a quarterback high but I've also learned in twelve
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years in this league that if you're not entitled anything,
it's all about being able to earn your spot and
prove yourself.
Speaker 5 (17:35):
So that's the last part is the best part of it.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
I mean, you've been in the league long enough to
understand that they handle things the way they handle things,
and you make your decision based off of the information
that you have and the possibilities of what could take
place beyond that period. Like that's that's about it. Like
it's a pretty open shut situation. Like, Okay, how many
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other players do you think have been misled that are
in a position of choosing in free agency? Like anybody
could come up with a reason as to why they
feel like they've been misled. What the bottom line is
is you have a job. It's a great paying job.
You are paid as a starter. They took a quarterback.
It wasn't Michael Pennix that took your job, or you
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didn't get a fair opportunity, you played your way out
of the job. It's like you misled the Atlanta Falcons.
They didn't feel like they were gonna have to use
Michael Pennix that early, but they had to because you
got the hips like you got hit, you didn't want
to get hit anymore. You start turning the ball over,
you start playing poorly, and they felt like they needed
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to switch it up and see if they could get
a spark because you weren't playing well.
Speaker 6 (18:53):
Is that fair?
Speaker 5 (18:55):
Yeah, Although I would say this if your Kirk Cousins,
I wonder if part of him not playing well. Obviously
he's coming off the injury, but he even alluded to,
you know, just sort of having to learn an entirely
new offense, having to learn all of these new things.
That also adding that on top of the fact that
you drafted a quarterback as high as you did. I
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just think when you take a quarterback that high in
the draft, the clock starts ticking. And I wonder if
Cousins felt a certain way and could just never let
it go when he got to the season, because he
can say all the right things like, you know, listen,
anything can happen in the NFL to business. I think
that he looked at that and it was always in
the back of his mind like I'm out here, I'm
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with this team, I'm with this organization. Yet they went
and did something that I did not expect they went
and did something that had I known that, I wouldn't
have left Minnesota, because he was successful in Minnesota, and
I wonder if that added to the pressure that he
felt in trying to go out and perform and all
doing so while coming back from the same injury that
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Aaron Rodgers suffered, and we saw that played out and
he suffered it later in the year.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
Well, if you wanted to stay in Minnesota, and you
had the opportunity to stay in Minnesota, you make your choice.
Speaker 5 (20:21):
You make your choice. If the value is there for
you to want.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
To stay, then you stayed. But you made a choice.
So there's no reason to come back after all this
time and say you were misled or I would have
stayed in Minnesota. Minnesota was easily, clearly the best situation
for you to be in personnel wise. You have an
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amazing receiving corps, you got a dope tight end, you
got a good offensive line, you got a running back,
you got a pretty decent defense. You were in position
Pope was to take over to the NFC North and
be a competitor in the North. And oh, by the way,
they did it with Sam Donald. They did it with
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Sam Donald don't say I thought I had a great
situation here and this, that and the other, and I
could have did this and they were going to draft
a quarterback, then they're going.
Speaker 5 (21:22):
To draft a quarterback.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
Aaron Rodgers had to deal with them drafting quarterbacks multiple drafts,
multiple times.
Speaker 5 (21:28):
But I think Kirk Cousins he talked with Minnesota and
they let their intentions be known. Hey, by the way,
we'd love to have you back, but we are going
to address the quarterback position in the draft. They were
upfront with him, which is why he made the decision
to go to Atlanta, because he said, look, I understand
that I don't want to be in that situation, so
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I'm going to go sign somewhere else where I can
be the guy.
Speaker 6 (21:52):
And I know that.
Speaker 5 (21:53):
Oops around that they drafted a quarterback too, and Kirk
Cousins like, well, if I would have known that, it
would just stayed. I would have just stayed in Minnesota
and there wouldn't have been any issue whatsoever. And they
wanted to keep him, Kevin O'Connell wanted to keep him.
But it's you know, it just goes to show you
that you can't have it all. Because everyone talks about
Kirk Cousins and and you know, he's he's won in
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the you know, the business of business in the NFL
and contracts and guarantees and all that stuff. And right
when you think that you've got it all figured out,
and hey, look I appreciate it, but I'm gonna go
somewhere else. I'm gonna make a ton of money. And
you guys are going to draft a quarterback in the future.
All good, it's business here. Then business came back and
bit him in the ass a little bit. And you know,
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he's in a bad spot. So he got his contract.
He got his contract. What type of a bad spot
is he in? He didn't get the contract of a backup.
He got the contract of a starter. You're you've got
the contract of a starter.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
Your team didn't definitively take a strong step in and
winning last year. Atlanta still a question mark team. Michael Pennix.
People are excited about him, but it's still a question
mark question mark for him at quarterback as to what
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he can do for this team. I think he may
have released this prematurely. There's no reason for you to
put this out there. The bottom line is you might
have ended up in the same exact situation in Minnesota.
You might have got the yips, you might have played bad,
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and maybe JJ McCarthy doesn't get hurt, maybe he takes
your position. Maybe you're a backup with a starting quarterback
salary and you have to eat it like anybody else
who loses their job. And one of the most competitive
industries that exists in the world.
Speaker 5 (23:58):
I think he took on too much, to be honest
with you. I think he got to Atlanta and he
took on recovering from an injury, learning an entirely new system.
Oh and by the way, the clock's ticking because we
just drafted a guy eighth overall.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
So all you got to do is eliminate. Eliminate one
of those those components. If you're in maybe even two,
you eliminate because he has to still deal with coming
off of the injury, even if he's in Minnesota, And
as far as going and learning a new offense, that
would be the only one that you would eliminate because
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you were still going to have to fight if they
kept Kirk Cousins. I do not believe that that impacts
if they take a quarterback or not. In fact, I
think that that's why Kirk Cousins got the hell out
of that. Yeah, because they told him that we're taking
a quarter in the end if he decided to stay.
If you decided to stay and they draft a quarterback,
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all of the circumstances he's facing it accept the playbook
are still in play. You gotta try to come back
from off of the injury. You gotta come back, and
you gotta hold off the rookie. It's happened before. It's
happened before. There have been quarterbacks that have been established
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quarterbacks for their team. Somebody gets drafted and they're competing
for that job. In fact, for what it's worth outside
of it being a high draft pick. That's the only
thing that makes it a more valuable conversation, because the
bottom line is every single roster spot, not just starting,
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every single roster spot is an intense battle to get it.
It's like playing It's like having the most amazing athletes
play musical chairs with one seat. Who's going to get it?
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That's the NFL. So to me, you got to always
be prepared to compete. So, whether it was a high
draft pick or not, who's ever backing you up? They
want they most likely want to start. They most likely
want your job so that they can put themselves in
position where they can ask for the type of money
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you're making. You're always competing, so there's no to me,
there's no such thing as in this type of scenario,
in this in this topic line that you can say
you were misled, because the bottom line is if you
don't understand coming into the National Football League that you
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just got drafted or you just got hired to take
somebody else's job for lesser money, and that's every single
person that's brought in. If you don't understand that coming in,
then you're behind. You're behind. You can't mislead Oh, I
thought I was coming in just to be the starter.
You're just gonna only have me as a starter. No,
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there's somebody there that if they can get the same
results from you, like as Sam Darnold, and they don't
have to pay you what they pay a Patrick Mahomes
or Dak Prescott or Joe Burrow. If they don't have
to pay that, that's who they're going with until they can't.
That's why rookie contracts are so important. I don't have
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to pay you for being amazing. I got three four
years that I can go maybe more, maybe longer if
I want, and I can get that talent at this price.
Bottom line, I feel bad for Kirkcutsis. You should let
me tell you why.
Speaker 5 (27:42):
Why, Because this would have been the equivalent to the
seventy two Dolphins perfect season. When it came to the
business standpoint of the NFL, he could have walked away
and said.
Speaker 6 (27:52):
Got them all beat.
Speaker 5 (27:54):
Everybody, got franchise tagged twice in Washington, got all that money,
and and then became the first guy to get a
fully guaranteed contract. He even dangled Minnesota and the Jets
against each other and then sold everybody on. I took
three million dollars less to go play in Minnesota because
I liked it more. And then he was about to
get another extension. All of a sudden, he gets an injury,
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and he says, you know what, Oh, you're going to
draft a quarterback. No worry, I'll continue this bank heist.
I'll go to another bank in Atlanta and I'll take
from them. And he was about ready to get out
of there coming off an injury, with all those hundreds
of millions of guarantees that he's got and all of
a sudden, the damn Falcons front office is waiting outside
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with a squad car and they scoop him up. And
there goes this perfect run in the NFL business world,
gone man up and vanished like a fart in the wind.
Could have been perfect, everything lined up just right, and
the damn Falcons ruined it all. Feel bad for Kirkus. Wow,
he got the contract. Yeah, but now he's stuck as
a backup. He's trying to get the hell out of there.
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Hold on, hold on. It's all about perspective.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
If again, let me reiterate, he could have been stuck
as the backup at Minnesota.
Speaker 5 (29:08):
Yeah, but he liked it there. It was perfect, Everything
was perfect.
Speaker 6 (29:13):
Well, didn't take a pay cut and go back. Take
a pay kuite, go back.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
They misled you, get back some of that signing bonus
and go back. He was to me, to me, yeah,
right to me, he's already he's already won. It's not
he didn't blemish his perfect record of handling business at
at a at a high level, not at all. He
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got his contract. He wasn't misled on his contract. He
wasn't misled on them numbers. Now if he comes out
and he says, some of this stuff is based off
of incentives and escalators and playing time. Okay, I get
that if you were misled that way he has he
has a legitimate right.
Speaker 5 (29:59):
He has a le I didn't make great.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
But as far as I'm concerned, the reason why he's
in the Hall of Fame of doing business and doing
contract is because he gets his money. The money that
he's going to get, he's going to get whether he's
a backup or whether he's a starter. And if that's
the case, he's already winning. You're winning. Michael Pennix has
all the pressure on him. If he doesn't prove out,
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they didn't move you. You're the backup. Something jumps off,
you get back in, take your shot, and then whatever
happens next you leverage it to maybe try to get
another deal out of it.
Speaker 6 (30:38):
That's how it works.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
No reason to have hard feelings, no need to feel
sorry for him, and no need to be a victim
in the matter.
Speaker 5 (30:45):
Hey, you know, Kirk, I support you, man, you know
your pursuit for perfection, and all of a sudden the
falcon's ruined it all.
Speaker 7 (30:51):
It's too bad, man.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
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Speaker 5 (31:01):
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the old p Petros. Good morning, how are we feeling?
Speaker 6 (31:18):
Good morning? Sorry about that.
Speaker 9 (31:20):
I've been on vacation and uh, obviously a little slow
to get back to the real world, but I'm back
at work today.
Speaker 5 (31:26):
No, you're good right now? How was how was vaccause?
You're you don't really robbed?
Speaker 9 (31:34):
You don't You don't really like you stole my wallet
out of my car.
Speaker 5 (31:38):
Oh you were literally robbed.
Speaker 6 (31:40):
Yes, that was robbed. So I spent a lot of
time my credit cards and stuff like that.
Speaker 9 (31:45):
Damn well, I've always robbed of my happiness by my family,
but other than that, this time I was really robbed.
Speaker 5 (31:54):
Because I've talked to you before about it, and you
don't really like traveling, you don't you know.
Speaker 6 (31:58):
No, I just drove to San Diego though. It's a
big deal.
Speaker 5 (32:01):
Yeah, well, did they get your real ID?
Speaker 6 (32:04):
Yeah? Well I don't know.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
I mean, even if I haven't just cure you didn't
go get your real ID yet.
Speaker 6 (32:11):
I don't know. I went to the DMV a couple
of years back, but probably not.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
A real ID has like a little beer on it
or something like that.
Speaker 7 (32:19):
For California.
Speaker 6 (32:20):
Well, I got to get it canceled either way.
Speaker 5 (32:22):
So so yeah, no, I got though.
Speaker 9 (32:25):
But now I'm back. I'm back in the city and
I'm ready to work today.
Speaker 5 (32:31):
So it's good and just in time.
Speaker 7 (32:34):
Dodgers haven't returned, I.
Speaker 5 (32:36):
Say, just in time for the Dodgers.
Speaker 6 (32:38):
How many straight is that? Is that?
Speaker 9 (32:40):
Five straight? They've lost us. Yeah, they got swept by
Hugh Stone who came in and put it on him.
And then yesterday they only scored one run. Oh, Tony
had a home run. But they lost in Milwaukee, and
they lost a game one in Milwaukee.
Speaker 6 (32:57):
So today is the getaway day. It's an early game in.
Speaker 9 (33:00):
Milwaukee, and they stopped hitting, you know they they sure
every once in a while a pitcher goes up there
and gets his boobs ripped.
Speaker 7 (33:08):
Off.
Speaker 9 (33:08):
But for the most part, it's it's you never heard
that term before. No, I never learned that term was.
That was a I never knew that term either, but
it was a bait. I lived with baseball players when
I was first at USC because I was ineligible from
a transfer and I was white, so.
Speaker 6 (33:27):
I didn't really know anybody on the team.
Speaker 7 (33:29):
Wait, you're white.
Speaker 6 (33:31):
Yeah, I know, it's crazy that.
Speaker 9 (33:35):
That's what Jim Harbaughs sounded exactly like when I told
him Toby Gerhart was white right when he got the
Stanford job.
Speaker 6 (33:41):
Wait, why Gerhart's white? Yep, that's what he said. Man.
Speaker 7 (33:44):
I was today years old when I knew that. Man,
I thought he was light skinned.
Speaker 6 (33:48):
That's a true story, though, I mean I I was. Well.
Speaker 9 (33:50):
First, let's let's unpack this first many many years ago.
Speaker 7 (33:56):
I was.
Speaker 9 (33:58):
I was the USC analyst on the local, back when
we really used to do local sports cable TV, like
local programming at night, local programming all the time.
Speaker 6 (34:09):
They don't do it anymore.
Speaker 9 (34:10):
But USC was about to play Michigan in a Rose Bowl.
Pete Carroll would have been the head coach. So it's
probably like going into two thousand, going into the two
thousand five season. This is the end of the two
thousand and four season, so I think us he's playing
Michigan in a Rose Bowl. So Jim Harbaugh, who just
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took the Stanford job from USD, was hired to be
the Michigan analyst guy, and I was the USC analyst guy.
So I just sat up there with Harbaugh and he
had just gotten the job, like two days before, had
accepted the Stanford job. And I remember sitting in with
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him and he's like, well, who's.
Speaker 6 (34:56):
On my team?
Speaker 9 (34:57):
You know, because I had called a couple of Stanford
games that year. I think Walt Harris or somebody was
to call Buddy Tevens or some terrible failure.
Speaker 6 (35:06):
Uh and uh.
Speaker 9 (35:07):
I said, well, you know you got the kid Delano
Howel from Hart Highs and aggressive kind of safety or whatever.
And Toby Gerhart, you know, the running back on a Norco,
the white kid.
Speaker 6 (35:19):
He goes, he's white. We don't want them to get out.
Speaker 9 (35:25):
They ended up the Hallway probably should have won the Heisman,
you know, over mark Ingram who had a great year too.
Speaker 6 (35:31):
But yeah, that was funny. He is white. But what
was the other one?
Speaker 5 (35:39):
By the way, I didn't realize Toby Garrett the other one.
Speaker 9 (35:42):
Yeah, no, the other one running back would have been
like Christian McCaffrey. But the booms being ripped off was
a that was a baseball thing. Like I lived with
baseball players and you know, they'd be playing north Ridge
on a Tuesday night, you know, come back seven hours
later because the bats are made of metal, ping pong
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baseball and college baseball, and I'd say, you know, did you.
Speaker 6 (36:08):
Guys win or whatever?
Speaker 9 (36:09):
Notherton got his boobs ripped off, and like what what
happened on?
Speaker 6 (36:13):
You know? Or he got his tse lit. You know
they used to say that to.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
Other other running back. I'm big tenor so you got
to throw Mike Alstart in there. I mean, that's just
for me college wise. I just I got to make
sure that I throw my boy in there.
Speaker 9 (36:31):
But he was a he was a ball carrier, but
oftentimes he lined up at the full back position.
Speaker 6 (36:43):
They did you know his agility, Oh he was wonder
don't get me wrong, but.
Speaker 5 (36:47):
People didn't realize how I dow that dude.
Speaker 7 (36:51):
And how fast was man?
Speaker 9 (36:52):
Yes, he had great feet and he had a real
quick burst.
Speaker 5 (36:56):
But the most did the most important attribute was that
he's white.
Speaker 9 (37:03):
To me, the most important attribute at all start was
the fact that he didn't line up a tailback often.
Speaker 6 (37:08):
I mean, if they.
Speaker 9 (37:09):
Wanted to give m right, if they wanted to give
him the ball like consistently, then he'd get he'd get
in at.
Speaker 6 (37:16):
Tailback and then he do position.
Speaker 9 (37:18):
But a lot of the time, you know, he was
running the ball from the full back position or just
playing or just playing a traditional fullback and doing all
the other fullback stuff. He was pretty remarkable, he really was. Yeah,
I loved him as a back, but it was really
interesting because a lot of what he did was from
maybe in a more traditional offense two or three yards
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deep at the.
Speaker 6 (37:41):
Full back position, you know, right behind the quarterback. And
that's hard.
Speaker 9 (37:45):
I mean, yeah, you're right up into the line of
scrimmage quickly. But for a guy with really good feet
that can stop and start like him and move, that's
not exactly where you want to be.
Speaker 6 (37:55):
Yeah, and he.
Speaker 9 (37:57):
Was really able when he ran the ball from close
to the line of scrimmage. I mean, that's really remarkable
because I don't think there's been I mean, I saw
kid in college who I've never gotten over, and he's
one of the greatest players I've ever seen, and he's
probably like blowing people up with a computer.
Speaker 6 (38:15):
Keyboard.
Speaker 7 (38:15):
Now.
Speaker 9 (38:15):
He's an Air Force player, a white kid who played
fullback for them, and I think he had like at
least one two thousand yard season, maybe close.
Speaker 6 (38:27):
Brad Roberts was his name.
Speaker 9 (38:30):
He blew me away, like that kid blew me away
because he didn't look like anything. Like he didn't look
like anything, and he was right up in there, you know,
and you'd give him the ball and every one yard
run became a four yard run almost to where you
didn't even notice. And then you'd be like Jesus and
like you'd never even see him break free. But you
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look at the stats at the end of the game
and what he was able to do for a season
and how he kept coming, and that was pretty remarkable.
Speaker 6 (38:59):
But he was.
Speaker 9 (39:00):
But he was such a forward leaning back, a stilted back.
Speaker 5 (39:04):
I remember that guy.
Speaker 6 (39:05):
Yeah, he was unbelievable. Look up of stats.
Speaker 9 (39:07):
But he was like a stilted back, right like leaning forward,
like if no one was there to tackle him, just
like me, it was likely he'd.
Speaker 6 (39:15):
Fall forward anyway. But it's true.
Speaker 9 (39:21):
But but all start, that's what was remarkable about him
bringing it up is that a lot of the time
when he ran the ball.
Speaker 6 (39:28):
Close to the line of scrimmage, he was able to.
Speaker 9 (39:31):
Stop and start and that's really hard to do.
Speaker 4 (39:35):
But yeah, you change directions. Yeah, he's and stuff, and
people was making business decisions when they was like, it was.
Speaker 6 (39:42):
Like, oh there he is.
Speaker 10 (39:46):
Like he'd appear, like you said, he get the ball
so quick, he'd appear you'd be like, by the time
you realized that you had to knuckle up for him,
he's already pasted you.
Speaker 7 (39:57):
But anyways, I'm a big mike all stop.
Speaker 5 (40:00):
He was great.
Speaker 6 (40:02):
Hail Us was good too.
Speaker 5 (40:04):
He wore the same he wore the same face mask.
Speaker 6 (40:07):
I did the bulldog muzzle.
Speaker 4 (40:08):
You know we I haven't brought that into existence, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (40:12):
Send me a bulldog muzzle, send me a photo of it.
I'll buy one. Uh my uh.
Speaker 9 (40:18):
I did an Arkansas game once where their backfield was
Houston Nutt was the coach. Their backfield was Peyton Hillis
we returned punts uh Felix Jones and and uh McFadden.
Yeah that's crazy, like and they lost by seventy points
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to USC. I'll never forget we did that. Uh we
had we had Arkansas USC and it was like the
very first game or the second game of the year
where they were really special. Was the beginning of the
two thousand and five season where every the world was
(41:01):
about Matt Lioner and Reggie Bush and Lindale and Dwayne
Jared and these teams were filled with superstars. This is
the year. They ended up losing that game to Texas
and the Rose bull But the very first game of
the year, they're playing Arkansas. Okay, you know, I don't
know a lot of SEC teams. I mean, this is
(41:22):
and this is before the SEC. I mean it's around
that time when the SEC was starting to build their strength.
USC was dominating college football. Oklahoma was really good. And
I remember being in the meeting with Houston Nutt and
I forget the name of their their decordinator. His first
name was Reggie and he was like a big old
southern white guy too, and they were just preaching like
(41:46):
this USC they're another They're like a They're like a
medio GRASSYC team.
Speaker 6 (41:50):
We're gonna be five. I'll tell you what there you
won't see. You won't see guys just running free out there.
Speaker 9 (41:57):
And I was like, I was sitting in the meeting,
I want you know, I'm not a Homer broadcaster, and
if anything, I'm worse than that and or the other way.
Speaker 6 (42:07):
And I was like, yeah, this sounds about right.
Speaker 9 (42:10):
You know, these guys are gonna come and slap USC
in the hands show Pete Carroll teach them a little something.
Just in the back of my mind, I said, this
guy might know what he's talking about.
Speaker 6 (42:18):
The game was literally seventy to seven.
Speaker 9 (42:24):
Like the fact that they said no one was going
to be running free was like the prophecy that everybody
was going to be running free. Like, I don't know
whether everybody was running free. They scored seventy points.
Speaker 7 (42:36):
I believe crazy man.
Speaker 9 (42:37):
And I never go down on the field after a
game unless I have to do an interview or something.
I went down on the field just to see if
I could catch eye contact with the decordinator, Like, hey,
remember when you said, like just because it was so
it was such a contrast to what would happen. But
it was amazing that they had that backfield and they
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couldn't even generate first down.
Speaker 5 (43:00):
I remember going to a USC Washington game when Tyrone
Willingham was the coach at Washington and it was at
the coliseum and betting on Washington because they were getting
thirty four points and USC still covered. It just wasn't close,
like there was no there was nobody close to them.
Speaker 9 (43:18):
Well, they used to blow people's doors off late right
like they would they would find a way to do
whatever in the game, and then in the fourth quarter
their run game just became so dominant when Lyndale White
running the zone. But those Ty Willingham Washington teams are
interesting because one year at Fox they went owen, they
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went ohen twelve, right, they lost every game, and then
hired Steve Sarkisian. After that they were rating so well,
like we had a couple of games early and they
were really highly rated because even though they were so bad,
the whole city of Seattle wanted and fired so bad.
Speaker 6 (44:00):
He came like watching a car accident.
Speaker 9 (44:04):
They they sent us up there for six of those
guy called six of the games in his O to
twelve season or something, and it was just can you
imagine what it was like doing that meeting again in November,
Like they fired him like on Halloween and let him
play out the street and he just was gonna you know,
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because you don't like just fire Ty Willingham in the
middle of the season. He was too nice of a
guy or too honorable of a character or whatever. So
we would literally sit in the meetings like, yeah, what.
Speaker 6 (44:34):
Do you think?
Speaker 9 (44:35):
Well, I don't think we're gonna win? Okay, well is
that when we used to say that in the open
or what should we do?
Speaker 6 (44:41):
Like?
Speaker 9 (44:41):
That was the most That was a real march to
to uh to futility.
Speaker 6 (44:47):
That was tough.
Speaker 9 (44:48):
I was I usually never care where they send me
to do it back then, I just go wherever, and
I never worried about what game we were going to
have or who was in it, or whether it was
a good game or not.
Speaker 6 (44:59):
But that year kind of broke me.
Speaker 9 (45:01):
I seeing Washington as bad as they were year in
and year out was very, very difficult.
Speaker 7 (45:07):
Yeah, that's rough.
Speaker 5 (45:09):
Well listen, petrosh there it is.
Speaker 6 (45:11):
Yeah, no, yeah, the loop, I remember that. The face man.
Speaker 4 (45:15):
Long lived Toby and Mike who you know, LeVar Arrington
is Toby by the way, you know what I mean.
I got my name from Toby. But he was Konta
Kinte first, but then they they forced him to be Toby.
You know, so I have a connection to Toby Gearhart
in a different type of way.
Speaker 6 (45:31):
That's fair.
Speaker 5 (45:31):
Yeah, Petros movie Roots by Alex Hey, Yes, yeah, always
appreciated and we were everybody.
Speaker 6 (45:39):
Was in the Roots, everybody. I mean, OJ, it wasn't just,
It wasn't just.
Speaker 9 (45:45):
Burton went to us koona Kitty himself as a USC guy.
Speaker 6 (45:49):
Is I didn't know that LeVar Burton?
Speaker 9 (45:51):
Yeah, yeah, he spoke to us at Uh. He spoke
to us a few times when I was at SC.
Speaker 6 (45:57):
I didn't know. It wasn't very inspiring to hear from
the from the reading rainbow.
Speaker 7 (46:01):
But that's crazy.
Speaker 6 (46:04):
But Richard round Tree Shaft, who was born today, he
was in Roots.
Speaker 7 (46:09):
Oh happy birthday. He's dead but yeah, yeah, yeah, happy birthday.
Speaker 6 (46:13):
Just died two years ago.
Speaker 5 (46:15):
Dang the nonsense. Yeah, we'll do it again next time.
Speaker 6 (46:20):
Sorry.
Speaker 5 (46:20):
I was like, no, you're going want.
Speaker 6 (46:23):
To horn in on Lee's cool segment?
Speaker 4 (46:26):
Yeah, right, there is why rushing us up out of here,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (46:29):
Get him on X at the Old g
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noon Pacific time here on the Monday after a wild
Fourth of July week?
Speaker 4 (01:03):
What do you mean a wild prehi A wild pre
show meeting of the mines, and I mean we could
have did a three hour show on the industry, but
you know, behind the scenes storylines, I mean they're really doozy. Yeah, definitely,
mister Celsius. I blame Celsius. I love y'all's drinks, though.
Speaker 5 (01:26):
It is Uh, it's been a How was the fourth
of July weekend. Huh did you? Because here's the probably.
It's on a weekend. It started on a friday, so
you just gave people an excuse to get butchered for
two days.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
After you heard the wildest story. So we got a
rooftop lounge on my house. Right, So we're going upstairs. Everything,
well it must not be. We were up there, we're
hanging out, and the way it's set up, you can't
see us up there.
Speaker 5 (01:55):
So if something's going on up there, you can maybe
hear it.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
Possibly, or if you do something like say we were
to shoot fireworks off or something like that, you might
have an idea that, Okay, they can get up on
the roof whatever. Right, but it's a balcony, it's it's
a rooftop lone. So we go up there and we
have one of those, we have a safe portable fire pit.
Fire pit gets let lit up. But here's what here's
(02:19):
the problem. The girls go up to do it and
they put five door of flames on there. Five so
you got this big ass flame and the flame was
giving off black smoke. Right, So we're sitting up there,
we're listening to music, we're having a good time. We're looking.
We can see all of the fireworks from the piers
(02:42):
in the beach City, South Bay all the way out
to wherever Orange County. You could just see all of
the fireworks going off. So we're watching the fireworks and
I'm like, man, these these firemen are going the police
are going to have a busy night because you could
see the random fire works going up right, which, by
the way, fireworks in la is really a thing.
Speaker 6 (03:02):
Bro Oh my god.
Speaker 5 (03:03):
I heard fireworks from nine a m.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
Literally non stop until I went to sleep at like
two am in the morning.
Speaker 5 (03:15):
Yeah, white people light fireworks off during the day.
Speaker 6 (03:17):
I mean it was the entire day.
Speaker 5 (03:20):
All you heard was oh the whole day.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
Anyway, back to my point, so the fire's going up,
and I'm like, man, firemen, cops, they're gonna have to
run around because you know, you make these wildfires, this,
that and the other, and we're not even thinking about
And sure enough you see a fire engine come out,
fire engine comes out that a die boom, boom boom.
I'm like, oh man, you hear some fireworks going off
in our area. So it's like the firemen come up
(03:47):
in our area and it's like they turned the lights off,
but they're coming up in the area. The next thing
you know, they get up and they're like one street
away from us. I was like, man, they're right here.
Something going on right then I looked at our fire pit.
I was like, this fire is high. They drive past
the street, so I'm thinking they're about to go past
the street. They turned the lights on, turn the lights on,
(04:11):
turn down our street.
Speaker 5 (04:12):
I was like, yep, they coming here.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
I had to go down to the front grab grab
and they were really really cool. I'm big time, you know,
support first responders. I appreciate Redondo Beach Fire Department. Uh,
really really cool people.
Speaker 6 (04:24):
So I walk them.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
Man, we walk up, they look at it, They're like, man,
everything's cool. He's like, but your neighbors are freaking out.
They are freaking out. I go look over the ads
and I see a whole crowd of people in two
three yards looking up. Look it up out of our house.
They thought that bad boy was burning down. So anyways,
(04:46):
I put we put it out. But that was that
was an eventful deal. And now, in your mind, we
live in a day and age with cell phones that
can record. Now, I didn't want to record it because
anything shady might have happened like oh, get it on it,
this is on camera, Da da da, But it would
have been interesting to see a camera shot of the
fire engine pulling down our street, then the fire department
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coming into the crib, then us having a cool conversation
up on the rooftop, and then them leaving. That would
have been cool because that's never happened to me before ever.
So there you go. Emergency crew first responders came to
make sure the house wasn't burning that.
Speaker 5 (05:25):
You know what blows my mind the number of people
that decide, knowing all the warning signs, knowing all the dangers,
seeing all the injuries, seeing all that, and still being like,
got it this year, I got it. Don't warn let's
let's fire off four or five mortar bombs within close
proximity to somebody's house, children in cars and just see
(05:47):
what happens. We weren't doing that, by the way, but
in La everybody was. Yeah, they were.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
I mean from nine am, literally from nine am to
one am. It was non It is not an over
exaggeration to say it was non stop. You could hear
the fireworks going off NonStop from nine to one am.
Speaker 5 (06:13):
So growing up in southern California. And two you might
remember this, but it used to be if you wanted
to get fireworks, you had to go to a place
called Fillmore. Did you have to go somewhere out Yeah,
you gotta go to Film Country. It's got to drive
all the way inland to this small town of Fillmore
by the way. Il Pescador, a great Mexican spot out there.
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But that was the place if you if somebody told you, hey,
I'm going to Fillmore, it's like, oh, hey, bring me
back a Roman candle, like a box of Piccolo Pete's.
Like it was like this undercover, under the radar spot
that you would go to get fireworks. Now now it
seems like you can get them anywhere. Like somebody's got
like a trunk, then they're selling fireworks out of them.
(06:54):
Like there's some rock band trying to make it in
the business selling t shirts out of the back of
their car.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
Crazy you get fireworks, rocket launchers, grenade launchers.
Speaker 5 (07:07):
I don't understand, oozies.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
It's just it used to be really hard to get
a hold of these things, and nowadays you can, Hey,
right there, there you go some more. There's some fireworks
right there like I was like, over the weekend, I
was talking Isaac Lohancrawn, who's an anchor at Fox Sports Radio,
and Isaac was telling me, so, oh, yeah, we have
a fireworks alley.
Speaker 5 (07:29):
I was like, what's that. He goes, oh, yeah, it's
an alley near our place and people light off fireworks there.
And he sent me a video. I'm like, oh, you
mean all this illegal activity on video?
Speaker 6 (07:38):
You mean all that? He no, no, no.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
Sheriff came by and said, hey, you guys are good.
Enjoy your Fourth of July. I won't tell you what.
Wait what that's just all of a sudden allowed. But
apparently that's what fourth is, the lies turned into. I
will say some of the dopest fireworks shows. One is
in State College, the one they do at Beaver State.
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It's it's like connected and then sync with like music.
It's pretty dope.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
Man, Like, if you're able to go to a fireworks show,
that's like really a show, like even the one at
Disney they do every night.
Speaker 5 (08:13):
Yeah, oh that's.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
What the lasers and fireworks and on a crazy man,
when you could do it when somebody's doing it right,
I've never got any type of a rush or any
type of a crazy feeling with with fireworks. I just
rather watch them. It's never been a thing where I'm like.
Speaker 6 (08:35):
I gotta like this bad, let's do it. Like that's just.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
Never been my thing. I don't know. I mean, I
don't know why that is. But but some people really
really get off on letting off on those those fireworks.
Speaker 5 (08:51):
Man, they love seeing the they lighten the fuse. N
It's like, dude, augusta win. That thing tilts over and
points in the direction of either other fireworks or somebody,
and we got a problem.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
I was just seeing it all on social media where
the joints go in a different direction, went into the garage,
blue start blowing the garage up, hit the card and
blew the car up, hitting kids.
Speaker 5 (09:15):
Like hit hit family members like why did you do it?
I know it Like I always tell this story, but
I remember reading about this. There was some dude in Maine.
Him and his buddy were out in the field somewhere
like I won't be safe. You know, there's no uh
no property within within the distance, so we've got some
and the guy thought it would be a good idea
to take a mortar bomb put it on his head.
(09:36):
And then light it. What here's how the ending of
that story went. Uh, he wasn't going to lids anytime soon.
I'll put it that way.
Speaker 6 (09:44):
Okay, what are you doing?
Speaker 4 (09:48):
I don't under There was a couple of dudes that
was lighting them and then squatting on top of them,
and then it took off like and the the catch
the captions be off the chain like in my stomach,
like get in my belly, and you know what they
were talking about.
Speaker 5 (10:07):
The man's jewels was in his belly by the time.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
It's just it's the dumbest thing that people do to
try to go viral sometimes is during the fourth of July,
fourth of July weekends that they it's crazy what people
do with these fireworks.
Speaker 5 (10:21):
Yeah, it's it's it's I don't I don't understand it.
Speaker 6 (10:25):
I don't know. Uh.
Speaker 5 (10:26):
And I would also say this, if you want to
spoil yourselves, because Collins in Chicago and Ryan Music will
be out there, let me just little little recommendation. You
go to Navy Peer. There's a restaurant at Navy Peer
right up on top and during the summertime they light
off fireworks two days a week. It's awesome. And the
best part is professionals are doing it.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
Go figure, it's not How many professionals do you think
do the fireworks during the course of a fourth of
July day?
Speaker 5 (10:58):
Less than one percent? Yeah, less than one percent.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
All I know is you can't comprehend it unless you
lived it. Nine a m. I was awaken. My windows
are open and I'm listening and I hear it's not
non stop, And at first I didn't know what it was.
And then I asked a couple of people like, man, yeah,
(11:22):
it's four for July. Like what you may is four
for July. You wait till the night, You wait till
there's no point. It's like it's like, hey, I'm gonna
go lay out.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
By the pool. It's ten o'clock at night. You wait
till dust point.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
You barbecue during today, you set off a couple of sparklers,
you throw the little white dips.
Speaker 6 (11:38):
That pop hop pop pop? Like what why is it
going all day long?
Speaker 4 (11:44):
Like?
Speaker 6 (11:46):
Who does that?
Speaker 4 (11:48):
How is this possible that I can hear fireworks going
off non stop from nine am until I went to
bid at one am in the morning.
Speaker 5 (11:57):
How many NFL players do you think woke up this
morning ain't gonna like, huh, thank god, well year. But
also everybody can't say that need to get to camp down.
I need to get away from these people. I gotta
get the camp. I mean, JPP was on the rundown,
you know, try and get back into league.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
I mean, talk about a tailor to take caution of
of sorts.
Speaker 5 (12:17):
By the way, Jason Pierre Paul under the radar. Great career, yes, dude,
I was looking at over the weekend. Ninety four and
a half career sacks. Yes, he's talked to it. He's
he wants to get back in the league. It's probably
not gonna happen at this point, but I mean, that
would be cool for him to get back and break
a hundred sacks. But that would be pretty cool. All
you think about with him is the fireworks incident. Well,
(12:39):
I mean, because that's just how society he almost got
a hundred sacks.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
He will be forever remembered for blowing his hand off,
more so than having a dope career, by the way,
because people don't remember things like, oh, you had a
great career. Like people forget guys that I had great careers.
They get drafted out. You forget about it. You forget
about careers, you don't forget about crazy.
Speaker 5 (13:00):
The fourth of July. It's gonna come up every day,
and it's been ten years every time. Four guy's got
almost one hundred career sacks, he's got two super Bowl rings,
and uh, LeVar made a comment, you know, which I
thought was insulting before the show when I was I
was pointing out, I was like, hey, man, you know
Jpp's got two super Bowl rings. So I was like, yeah,
where's he gonna put up? I thought it was out
(13:22):
of line, which I thought was disrespectful because I did
not say that. But you look at his career. You
look at his career, and you go, man, that guy
had a great career and did a lot of that
after the injury, and all anybody talks about is that
moment on fourth of July, and every single year he's
(13:44):
going to be reminded of it. The guy came back
and remember when he came back and played with a
cast on and still you know, continued his career. So yeah,
it's it's uh, this was a crazy weekend. Hopefully everybody,
uh you know, didn't make any mistakes with those fireworks,
even though some did like they do every year. And
now NFL players everywhere are like, all right, vacation's over.
(14:07):
Training camps right around the corner. It's grind time, bar
this is tis the season.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
Season, Yeah, to be football, and listen, I'm excited for it.
There's a lot going on and there's a lot to
talk about. Yeah, and that's what the NFL gives you,
you know. And I know we shouts out to Independence Day,
shots out to the fourth of July. But now that
we've gotten those things out of the way, now those
are the topics of conversations we can touch on.
Speaker 5 (14:33):
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Speaker 7 (15:39):
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Speaker 4 (15:40):
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Speaker 5 (16:20):
You know, apparently not everybody feels like they were told
the truth from time to time. You know, some some
people feel like in the NFL that maybe if they
would have had some different information, maybe things would have
gone a little bit a little bit more. I guess
on the opposite spectrum with how they made their decisions
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and how they opted to make those career choices during
the course of their illustrious, high paying NFL employment. And
one of those guys is none other than Kirk Cousins,
who was featured on Netflix's Quarterback Season two, and he
talked talked about the decision to go to Atlanta and
(17:03):
how well had I known that, maybe I wouldn't have
made that move.
Speaker 8 (17:08):
I wasn't expecting us to take a quarterback so high
at the time, it felt like I had been a
little bit misled, or certainly if I had the information
around Preegency, it certainly would have affected my decision. I
had no reason to leave Minnesota with how much we
loved it there. If both teams are going to be
drafting a quarterback high but I've also learned in twelve
(17:29):
years in this league that if you're not entitled anything,
it's all about being able to earn your spot and
prove yourself.
Speaker 5 (17:35):
So that's the last part is the best part of it.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
I mean, you've been in the league long enough to
understand that they handle things the way they handle things,
and you make your decision based off of the information
that you have and the possibilities of what could take
place beyond that period. Like that's that's about it. Like
it's a pretty open shut situation. Like, Okay, how many
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other players do you think have been misled that are
in a position of choosing in free agency? Like anybody
could come up with a reason as to why they
feel like they've been misled. What the bottom line is
is you have a job. It's a great paying job.
You are paid as a starter. They took a quarterback.
It wasn't Michael Pennix that took your job, or you
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didn't get a fair opportunity, you played your way out
of the job. It's like you misled the Atlanta Falcons.
They didn't feel like they were gonna have to use
Michael Pennix that early, but they had to because you
got the hips like you got hit, you didn't want
to get hit anymore. You start turning the ball over,
you start playing poorly, and they felt like they needed
(18:49):
to switch it up and see if they could get
a spark because you weren't playing well.
Speaker 6 (18:53):
Is that fair?
Speaker 5 (18:55):
Yeah, Although I would say this if your Kirk Cousins,
I wonder if part of him not playing well. Obviously
he's coming off the injury, but he even alluded to,
you know, just sort of having to learn an entirely
new offense, having to learn all of these new things.
That also adding that on top of the fact that
you drafted a quarterback as high as you did. I
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just think when you take a quarterback that high in
the draft, the clock starts ticking. And I wonder if
Cousins felt a certain way and could just never let
it go when he got to the season, because he
can say all the right things like, you know, listen,
anything can happen in the NFL to business. I think
that he looked at that and it was always in
the back of his mind like I'm out here, I'm
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with this team, I'm with this organization. Yet they went
and did something that I did not expect they went
and did something that had I known that, I wouldn't
have left Minnesota, because he was successful in Minnesota, and
I wonder if that added to the pressure that he
felt in trying to go out and perform and all
doing so while coming back from the same injury that
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Aaron Rodgers suffered, and we saw that played out and
he suffered it later in the year.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
Well, if you wanted to stay in Minnesota, and you
had the opportunity to stay in Minnesota, you make your choice.
Speaker 5 (20:21):
You make your choice. If the value is there for
you to want.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
To stay, then you stayed. But you made a choice.
So there's no reason to come back after all this
time and say you were misled or I would have
stayed in Minnesota. Minnesota was easily, clearly the best situation
for you to be in personnel wise. You have an
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amazing receiving corps, you got a dope tight end, you
got a good offensive line, you got a running back,
you got a pretty decent defense. You were in position
Pope was to take over to the NFC North and
be a competitor in the North. And oh, by the way,
they did it with Sam Donald. They did it with
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Sam Donald don't say I thought I had a great
situation here and this, that and the other, and I
could have did this and they were going to draft
a quarterback, then they're going.
Speaker 5 (21:22):
To draft a quarterback.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
Aaron Rodgers had to deal with them drafting quarterbacks multiple drafts,
multiple times.
Speaker 5 (21:28):
But I think Kirk Cousins he talked with Minnesota and
they let their intentions be known. Hey, by the way,
we'd love to have you back, but we are going
to address the quarterback position in the draft. They were
upfront with him, which is why he made the decision
to go to Atlanta, because he said, look, I understand
that I don't want to be in that situation, so
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I'm going to go sign somewhere else where I can
be the guy.
Speaker 6 (21:52):
And I know that.
Speaker 5 (21:53):
Oops around that they drafted a quarterback too, and Kirk
Cousins like, well, if I would have known that, it
would just stayed. I would have just stayed in Minnesota
and there wouldn't have been any issue whatsoever. And they
wanted to keep him, Kevin O'Connell wanted to keep him.
But it's you know, it just goes to show you
that you can't have it all. Because everyone talks about
Kirk Cousins and and you know, he's he's won in
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the you know, the business of business in the NFL
and contracts and guarantees and all that stuff. And right
when you think that you've got it all figured out,
and hey, look I appreciate it, but I'm gonna go
somewhere else. I'm gonna make a ton of money. And
you guys are going to draft a quarterback in the future.
All good, it's business here. Then business came back and
bit him in the ass a little bit. And you know,
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he's in a bad spot. So he got his contract.
He got his contract. What type of a bad spot
is he in? He didn't get the contract of a backup.
He got the contract of a starter. You're you've got
the contract of a starter.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
Your team didn't definitively take a strong step in and
winning last year. Atlanta still a question mark team. Michael Pennix.
People are excited about him, but it's still a question
mark question mark for him at quarterback as to what
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he can do for this team. I think he may
have released this prematurely. There's no reason for you to
put this out there. The bottom line is you might
have ended up in the same exact situation in Minnesota.
You might have got the yips, you might have played bad,
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and maybe JJ McCarthy doesn't get hurt, maybe he takes
your position. Maybe you're a backup with a starting quarterback
salary and you have to eat it like anybody else
who loses their job. And one of the most competitive
industries that exists in the world.
Speaker 5 (23:58):
I think he took on too much, to be honest
with you. I think he got to Atlanta and he
took on recovering from an injury, learning an entirely new system.
Oh and by the way, the clock's ticking because we
just drafted a guy eighth overall.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
So all you got to do is eliminate. Eliminate one
of those those components. If you're in maybe even two,
you eliminate because he has to still deal with coming
off of the injury, even if he's in Minnesota, And
as far as going and learning a new offense, that
would be the only one that you would eliminate because
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you were still going to have to fight if they
kept Kirk Cousins. I do not believe that that impacts
if they take a quarterback or not. In fact, I
think that that's why Kirk Cousins got the hell out
of that. Yeah, because they told him that we're taking
a quarter in the end if he decided to stay.
If you decided to stay and they draft a quarterback,
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all of the circumstances he's facing it accept the playbook
are still in play. You gotta try to come back
from off of the injury. You gotta come back, and
you gotta hold off the rookie. It's happened before. It's
happened before. There have been quarterbacks that have been established
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quarterbacks for their team. Somebody gets drafted and they're competing
for that job. In fact, for what it's worth outside
of it being a high draft pick. That's the only
thing that makes it a more valuable conversation, because the
bottom line is every single roster spot, not just starting,
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every single roster spot is an intense battle to get it.
It's like playing It's like having the most amazing athletes
play musical chairs with one seat. Who's going to get it?
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That's the NFL. So to me, you got to always
be prepared to compete. So, whether it was a high
draft pick or not, who's ever backing you up? They
want they most likely want to start. They most likely
want your job so that they can put themselves in
position where they can ask for the type of money
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you're making. You're always competing, so there's no to me,
there's no such thing as in this type of scenario,
in this in this topic line that you can say
you were misled, because the bottom line is if you
don't understand coming into the National Football League that you
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just got drafted or you just got hired to take
somebody else's job for lesser money, and that's every single
person that's brought in. If you don't understand that coming in,
then you're behind. You're behind. You can't mislead Oh, I
thought I was coming in just to be the starter.
You're just gonna only have me as a starter. No,
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there's somebody there that if they can get the same
results from you, like as Sam Darnold, and they don't
have to pay you what they pay a Patrick Mahomes
or Dak Prescott or Joe Burrow. If they don't have
to pay that, that's who they're going with until they can't.
That's why rookie contracts are so important. I don't have
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to pay you for being amazing. I got three four
years that I can go maybe more, maybe longer if
I want, and I can get that talent at this price.
Bottom line, I feel bad for Kirkcutsis. You should let
me tell you why.
Speaker 5 (27:42):
Why, Because this would have been the equivalent to the
seventy two Dolphins perfect season. When it came to the
business standpoint of the NFL, he could have walked away
and said.
Speaker 6 (27:52):
Got them all beat.
Speaker 5 (27:54):
Everybody, got franchise tagged twice in Washington, got all that money,
and and then became the first guy to get a
fully guaranteed contract. He even dangled Minnesota and the Jets
against each other and then sold everybody on. I took
three million dollars less to go play in Minnesota because
I liked it more. And then he was about to
get another extension. All of a sudden, he gets an injury,
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and he says, you know what, Oh, you're going to
draft a quarterback. No worry, I'll continue this bank heist.
I'll go to another bank in Atlanta and I'll take
from them. And he was about ready to get out
of there coming off an injury, with all those hundreds
of millions of guarantees that he's got and all of
a sudden, the damn Falcons front office is waiting outside
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with a squad car and they scoop him up. And
there goes this perfect run in the NFL business world,
gone man up and vanished like a fart in the wind.
Could have been perfect, everything lined up just right, and
the damn Falcons ruined it all. Feel bad for Kirkus. Wow,
he got the contract. Yeah, but now he's stuck as
a backup. He's trying to get the hell out of there.
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Hold on, hold on. It's all about perspective.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
If again, let me reiterate, he could have been stuck
as the backup at Minnesota.
Speaker 5 (29:08):
Yeah, but he liked it there. It was perfect, Everything
was perfect.
Speaker 6 (29:13):
Well, didn't take a pay cut and go back. Take
a pay kuite, go back.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
They misled you, get back some of that signing bonus
and go back. He was to me, to me, yeah,
right to me, he's already he's already won. It's not
he didn't blemish his perfect record of handling business at
at a at a high level, not at all. He
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got his contract. He wasn't misled on his contract. He
wasn't misled on them numbers. Now if he comes out
and he says, some of this stuff is based off
of incentives and escalators and playing time. Okay, I get
that if you were misled that way he has he
has a legitimate right.
Speaker 5 (29:59):
He has a le I didn't make great.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
But as far as I'm concerned, the reason why he's
in the Hall of Fame of doing business and doing
contract is because he gets his money. The money that
he's going to get, he's going to get whether he's
a backup or whether he's a starter. And if that's
the case, he's already winning. You're winning. Michael Pennix has
all the pressure on him. If he doesn't prove out,
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they didn't move you. You're the backup. Something jumps off,
you get back in, take your shot, and then whatever
happens next you leverage it to maybe try to get
another deal out of it.
Speaker 6 (30:38):
That's how it works.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
No reason to have hard feelings, no need to feel
sorry for him, and no need to be a victim
in the matter.
Speaker 5 (30:45):
Hey, you know, Kirk, I support you, man, you know
your pursuit for perfection, and all of a sudden the
falcon's ruined it all.
Speaker 7 (30:51):
It's too bad, man.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
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Speaker 5 (31:01):
Eastern three am Pacific. Right now, we turn it over
to the man himself, the one and only Petros Papadakas,
the co host of the Petros and Money Show, which
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the old p Petros. Good morning, how are we feeling?
Speaker 6 (31:18):
Good morning? Sorry about that.
Speaker 9 (31:20):
I've been on vacation and uh, obviously a little slow
to get back to the real world, but I'm back
at work today.
Speaker 5 (31:26):
No, you're good right now? How was how was vaccause?
You're you don't really robbed?
Speaker 9 (31:34):
You don't You don't really like you stole my wallet
out of my car.
Speaker 5 (31:38):
Oh you were literally robbed.
Speaker 6 (31:40):
Yes, that was robbed. So I spent a lot of
time my credit cards and stuff like that.
Speaker 9 (31:45):
Damn well, I've always robbed of my happiness by my family,
but other than that, this time I was really robbed.
Speaker 5 (31:54):
Because I've talked to you before about it, and you
don't really like traveling, you don't you know.
Speaker 6 (31:58):
No, I just drove to San Diego though. It's a
big deal.
Speaker 5 (32:01):
Yeah, well, did they get your real ID?
Speaker 6 (32:04):
Yeah? Well I don't know.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
I mean, even if I haven't just cure you didn't
go get your real ID yet.
Speaker 6 (32:11):
I don't know. I went to the DMV a couple
of years back, but probably not.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
A real ID has like a little beer on it
or something like that.
Speaker 7 (32:19):
For California.
Speaker 6 (32:20):
Well, I got to get it canceled either way.
Speaker 5 (32:22):
So so yeah, no, I got though.
Speaker 9 (32:25):
But now I'm back. I'm back in the city and
I'm ready to work today.
Speaker 5 (32:31):
So it's good and just in time.
Speaker 7 (32:34):
Dodgers haven't returned, I.
Speaker 5 (32:36):
Say, just in time for the Dodgers.
Speaker 6 (32:38):
How many straight is that? Is that?
Speaker 9 (32:40):
Five straight? They've lost us. Yeah, they got swept by
Hugh Stone who came in and put it on him.
And then yesterday they only scored one run. Oh, Tony
had a home run. But they lost in Milwaukee, and
they lost a game one in Milwaukee.
Speaker 6 (32:57):
So today is the getaway day. It's an early game in.
Speaker 9 (33:00):
Milwaukee, and they stopped hitting, you know they they sure
every once in a while a pitcher goes up there
and gets his boobs ripped.
Speaker 7 (33:08):
Off.
Speaker 9 (33:08):
But for the most part, it's it's you never heard
that term before. No, I never learned that term was.
That was a I never knew that term either, but
it was a bait. I lived with baseball players when
I was first at USC because I was ineligible from
a transfer and I was white, so.
Speaker 6 (33:27):
I didn't really know anybody on the team.
Speaker 7 (33:29):
Wait, you're white.
Speaker 6 (33:31):
Yeah, I know, it's crazy that.
Speaker 9 (33:35):
That's what Jim Harbaughs sounded exactly like when I told
him Toby Gerhart was white right when he got the
Stanford job.
Speaker 6 (33:41):
Wait, why Gerhart's white? Yep, that's what he said. Man.
Speaker 7 (33:44):
I was today years old when I knew that. Man,
I thought he was light skinned.
Speaker 6 (33:48):
That's a true story, though, I mean I I was. Well.
Speaker 9 (33:50):
First, let's let's unpack this first many many years ago.
Speaker 7 (33:56):
I was.
Speaker 9 (33:58):
I was the USC analyst on the local, back when
we really used to do local sports cable TV, like
local programming at night, local programming all the time.
Speaker 6 (34:09):
They don't do it anymore.
Speaker 9 (34:10):
But USC was about to play Michigan in a Rose Bowl.
Pete Carroll would have been the head coach. So it's
probably like going into two thousand, going into the two
thousand five season. This is the end of the two
thousand and four season, so I think us he's playing
Michigan in a Rose Bowl. So Jim Harbaugh, who just
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took the Stanford job from USD, was hired to be
the Michigan analyst guy, and I was the USC analyst guy.
So I just sat up there with Harbaugh and he
had just gotten the job, like two days before, had
accepted the Stanford job. And I remember sitting in with
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him and he's like, well, who's.
Speaker 6 (34:56):
On my team?
Speaker 9 (34:57):
You know, because I had called a couple of Stanford
games that year. I think Walt Harris or somebody was
to call Buddy Tevens or some terrible failure.
Speaker 6 (35:06):
Uh and uh.
Speaker 9 (35:07):
I said, well, you know you got the kid Delano
Howel from Hart Highs and aggressive kind of safety or whatever.
And Toby Gerhart, you know, the running back on a Norco,
the white kid.
Speaker 6 (35:19):
He goes, he's white. We don't want them to get out.
Speaker 9 (35:25):
They ended up the Hallway probably should have won the Heisman,
you know, over mark Ingram who had a great year too.
Speaker 6 (35:31):
But yeah, that was funny. He is white. But what
was the other one?
Speaker 5 (35:39):
By the way, I didn't realize Toby Garrett the other one.
Speaker 9 (35:42):
Yeah, no, the other one running back would have been
like Christian McCaffrey. But the booms being ripped off was
a that was a baseball thing. Like I lived with
baseball players and you know, they'd be playing north Ridge
on a Tuesday night, you know, come back seven hours
later because the bats are made of metal, ping pong
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baseball and college baseball, and I'd say, you know, did you.
Speaker 6 (36:08):
Guys win or whatever?
Speaker 9 (36:09):
Notherton got his boobs ripped off, and like what what
happened on?
Speaker 6 (36:13):
You know? Or he got his tse lit. You know
they used to say that to.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
Other other running back. I'm big tenor so you got
to throw Mike Alstart in there. I mean, that's just
for me college wise. I just I got to make
sure that I throw my boy in there.
Speaker 9 (36:31):
But he was a he was a ball carrier, but
oftentimes he lined up at the full back position.
Speaker 6 (36:43):
They did you know his agility, Oh he was wonder
don't get me wrong, but.
Speaker 5 (36:47):
People didn't realize how I dow that dude.
Speaker 7 (36:51):
And how fast was man?
Speaker 9 (36:52):
Yes, he had great feet and he had a real
quick burst.
Speaker 5 (36:56):
But the most did the most important attribute was that
he's white.
Speaker 9 (37:03):
To me, the most important attribute at all start was
the fact that he didn't line up a tailback often.
Speaker 6 (37:08):
I mean, if they.
Speaker 9 (37:09):
Wanted to give m right, if they wanted to give
him the ball like consistently, then he'd get he'd get
in at.
Speaker 6 (37:16):
Tailback and then he do position.
Speaker 9 (37:18):
But a lot of the time, you know, he was
running the ball from the full back position or just
playing or just playing a traditional fullback and doing all
the other fullback stuff. He was pretty remarkable, he really was. Yeah,
I loved him as a back, but it was really
interesting because a lot of what he did was from
maybe in a more traditional offense two or three yards
(37:40):
deep at the.
Speaker 6 (37:41):
Full back position, you know, right behind the quarterback. And
that's hard.
Speaker 9 (37:45):
I mean, yeah, you're right up into the line of
scrimmage quickly. But for a guy with really good feet
that can stop and start like him and move, that's
not exactly where you want to be.
Speaker 6 (37:55):
Yeah, and he.
Speaker 9 (37:57):
Was really able when he ran the ball from close
to the line of scrimmage. I mean, that's really remarkable
because I don't think there's been I mean, I saw
kid in college who I've never gotten over, and he's
one of the greatest players I've ever seen, and he's
probably like blowing people up with a computer.
Speaker 6 (38:15):
Keyboard.
Speaker 7 (38:15):
Now.
Speaker 9 (38:15):
He's an Air Force player, a white kid who played
fullback for them, and I think he had like at
least one two thousand yard season, maybe close.
Speaker 6 (38:27):
Brad Roberts was his name.
Speaker 9 (38:30):
He blew me away, like that kid blew me away
because he didn't look like anything. Like he didn't look
like anything, and he was right up in there, you know,
and you'd give him the ball and every one yard
run became a four yard run almost to where you
didn't even notice. And then you'd be like Jesus and
like you'd never even see him break free. But you
(38:52):
look at the stats at the end of the game
and what he was able to do for a season
and how he kept coming, and that was pretty remarkable.
Speaker 6 (38:59):
But he was.
Speaker 9 (39:00):
But he was such a forward leaning back, a stilted back.
Speaker 5 (39:04):
I remember that guy.
Speaker 6 (39:05):
Yeah, he was unbelievable. Look up of stats.
Speaker 9 (39:07):
But he was like a stilted back, right like leaning forward,
like if no one was there to tackle him, just
like me, it was likely he'd.
Speaker 6 (39:15):
Fall forward anyway. But it's true.
Speaker 9 (39:21):
But but all start, that's what was remarkable about him
bringing it up is that a lot of the time
when he ran the ball.
Speaker 6 (39:28):
Close to the line of scrimmage, he was able to.
Speaker 9 (39:31):
Stop and start and that's really hard to do.
Speaker 4 (39:35):
But yeah, you change directions. Yeah, he's and stuff, and
people was making business decisions when they was like, it was.
Speaker 6 (39:42):
Like, oh there he is.
Speaker 10 (39:46):
Like he'd appear, like you said, he get the ball
so quick, he'd appear you'd be like, by the time
you realized that you had to knuckle up for him,
he's already pasted you.
Speaker 7 (39:57):
But anyways, I'm a big mike all stop.
Speaker 5 (40:00):
He was great.
Speaker 6 (40:02):
Hail Us was good too.
Speaker 5 (40:04):
He wore the same he wore the same face mask.
Speaker 6 (40:07):
I did the bulldog muzzle.
Speaker 4 (40:08):
You know we I haven't brought that into existence, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (40:12):
Send me a bulldog muzzle, send me a photo of it.
I'll buy one. Uh my uh.
Speaker 9 (40:18):
I did an Arkansas game once where their backfield was
Houston Nutt was the coach. Their backfield was Peyton Hillis
we returned punts uh Felix Jones and and uh McFadden.
Yeah that's crazy, like and they lost by seventy points
(40:41):
to USC. I'll never forget we did that. Uh we
had we had Arkansas USC and it was like the
very first game or the second game of the year
where they were really special. Was the beginning of the
two thousand and five season where every the world was
(41:01):
about Matt Lioner and Reggie Bush and Lindale and Dwayne
Jared and these teams were filled with superstars. This is
the year. They ended up losing that game to Texas
and the Rose bull But the very first game of
the year, they're playing Arkansas. Okay, you know, I don't
know a lot of SEC teams. I mean, this is
(41:22):
and this is before the SEC. I mean it's around
that time when the SEC was starting to build their strength.
USC was dominating college football. Oklahoma was really good. And
I remember being in the meeting with Houston Nutt and
I forget the name of their their decordinator. His first
name was Reggie and he was like a big old
southern white guy too, and they were just preaching like
(41:46):
this USC they're another They're like a They're like a
medio GRASSYC team.
Speaker 6 (41:50):
We're gonna be five. I'll tell you what there you
won't see. You won't see guys just running free out there.
Speaker 9 (41:57):
And I was like, I was sitting in the meeting,
I want you know, I'm not a Homer broadcaster, and
if anything, I'm worse than that and or the other way.
Speaker 6 (42:07):
And I was like, yeah, this sounds about right.
Speaker 9 (42:10):
You know, these guys are gonna come and slap USC
in the hands show Pete Carroll teach them a little something.
Just in the back of my mind, I said, this
guy might know what he's talking about.
Speaker 6 (42:18):
The game was literally seventy to seven.
Speaker 9 (42:24):
Like the fact that they said no one was going
to be running free was like the prophecy that everybody
was going to be running free. Like, I don't know
whether everybody was running free. They scored seventy points.
Speaker 7 (42:36):
I believe crazy man.
Speaker 9 (42:37):
And I never go down on the field after a
game unless I have to do an interview or something.
I went down on the field just to see if
I could catch eye contact with the decordinator, Like, hey,
remember when you said, like just because it was so
it was such a contrast to what would happen. But
it was amazing that they had that backfield and they
(42:58):
couldn't even generate first down.
Speaker 5 (43:00):
I remember going to a USC Washington game when Tyrone
Willingham was the coach at Washington and it was at
the coliseum and betting on Washington because they were getting
thirty four points and USC still covered. It just wasn't close,
like there was no there was nobody close to them.
Speaker 9 (43:18):
Well, they used to blow people's doors off late right
like they would they would find a way to do
whatever in the game, and then in the fourth quarter
their run game just became so dominant when Lyndale White
running the zone. But those Ty Willingham Washington teams are
interesting because one year at Fox they went owen, they
(43:39):
went ohen twelve, right, they lost every game, and then
hired Steve Sarkisian. After that they were rating so well,
like we had a couple of games early and they
were really highly rated because even though they were so bad,
the whole city of Seattle wanted and fired so bad.
Speaker 6 (44:00):
He came like watching a car accident.
Speaker 9 (44:04):
They they sent us up there for six of those
guy called six of the games in his O to
twelve season or something, and it was just can you
imagine what it was like doing that meeting again in November,
Like they fired him like on Halloween and let him
play out the street and he just was gonna you know,
(44:24):
because you don't like just fire Ty Willingham in the
middle of the season. He was too nice of a
guy or too honorable of a character or whatever. So
we would literally sit in the meetings like, yeah, what.
Speaker 6 (44:34):
Do you think?
Speaker 9 (44:35):
Well, I don't think we're gonna win? Okay, well is
that when we used to say that in the open
or what should we do?
Speaker 6 (44:41):
Like?
Speaker 9 (44:41):
That was the most That was a real march to
to uh to futility.
Speaker 6 (44:47):
That was tough.
Speaker 9 (44:48):
I was I usually never care where they send me
to do it back then, I just go wherever, and
I never worried about what game we were going to
have or who was in it, or whether it was
a good game or not.
Speaker 6 (44:59):
But that year kind of broke me.
Speaker 9 (45:01):
I seeing Washington as bad as they were year in
and year out was very, very difficult.
Speaker 7 (45:07):
Yeah, that's rough.
Speaker 5 (45:09):
Well listen, petrosh there it is.
Speaker 6 (45:11):
Yeah, no, yeah, the loop, I remember that. The face man.
Speaker 4 (45:15):
Long lived Toby and Mike who you know, LeVar Arrington
is Toby by the way, you know what I mean.
I got my name from Toby. But he was Konta
Kinte first, but then they they forced him to be Toby.
You know, so I have a connection to Toby Gearhart
in a different type of way.
Speaker 6 (45:31):
That's fair.
Speaker 5 (45:31):
Yeah, Petros movie Roots by Alex Hey, Yes, yeah, always
appreciated and we were everybody.
Speaker 6 (45:39):
Was in the Roots, everybody. I mean, OJ, it wasn't just,
It wasn't just.
Speaker 9 (45:45):
Burton went to us koona Kitty himself as a USC guy.
Speaker 6 (45:49):
Is I didn't know that LeVar Burton?
Speaker 9 (45:51):
Yeah, yeah, he spoke to us at Uh. He spoke
to us a few times when I was at SC.
Speaker 6 (45:57):
I didn't know. It wasn't very inspiring to hear from
the from the reading rainbow.
Speaker 7 (46:01):
But that's crazy.
Speaker 6 (46:04):
But Richard round Tree Shaft, who was born today, he
was in Roots.
Speaker 7 (46:09):
Oh happy birthday. He's dead but yeah, yeah, yeah, happy birthday.
Speaker 6 (46:13):
Just died two years ago.
Speaker 5 (46:15):
Dang the nonsense. Yeah, we'll do it again next time.
Speaker 6 (46:20):
Sorry.
Speaker 5 (46:20):
I was like, no, you're going want.
Speaker 6 (46:23):
To horn in on Lee's cool segment?
Speaker 4 (46:26):
Yeah, right, there is why rushing us up out of here,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (46:29):
Get him on X at the Old g
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