August 14, 2025 • 41 mins
Thursday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, Shedeur Sanders gets dinged up in practice, but how will the Browns QB depth chart shake out? Bills end up giving James Cook the contract he wants. Who will better in 5 years between the Thunder and Spurs. Plus, hedging your bets in College Football.
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Speaker 3 (00:37):
Oh what is going on? Happy Thursday to you, man,
I'll tell you what. Jaymark.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
Great to be with you. We are inching our way
towards ball. We are just a little over a week
away until we get college football. Now, Week zero sucks.
It's a horrible slate of games. I'm not gonna try
try and tell you it's awesome, but it's ball. Nevertheless,
and then the week after Week one in college football
we got some great matchups and the NFL not too
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long after that. Man, can you feel it? Can you
feel it in the air? Ball is right around the corner.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
J Martin?
Speaker 5 (01:10):
Oh yeah, I mean the only thing that I can't
feel yet is the temperature that I want to accompany
the ball that is around the corner. Because of Nashville,
it's just been an insanely, insanely hot just in crazy
hot summer. We're like plus ninety five for the next
seven days with one oh five plus heat indexes. So
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it doesn't feel like ball well, I mean, it feels
like two a days and in high school and all
that kind of stuff, But it doesn't feel like ball weather.
But we're getting there. We are getting there until I
think that's gonna be The bonus is it's gonna be
temperate again. I can walk outside without feeling like a
heat stroke.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
Is zeer by there you go, okay, nice and yeah,
if you're into the cooler temperatures, ball signifies cooler temperatures,
you know. So if if that's your thing, right there,
it won't be insufferable with the summer temperatures. But this
is the one thing that caught my attention the most,
and I wanted to dive in it with you. Brown's
quarterback Shaudeur Sanders, speaking of ball, played well in his
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preseason debut last week. Well, he suffered an oblique strain
here Shane Mark that was in practice on Wednesday and
so he's unlikely to play on Saturday.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
That was the next.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
Preseason game at the Eagles. So it looks like he's
not gonna be out on the field. So the first
question is where does this leave Shauduur on the depth
chart as we inch closer to the regular season. How
do you think it's going to shake out for the
Browns leading up to Week one? If you look at
your you know, you look at the crystal ball, what
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do you think in order one, two, three, four, I
don't know, question mark there, what do you think it
looks like come week one for the Browns QB depth chart?
Speaker 5 (02:49):
Yeah? I mean it's We knew this was going to
be a big, convoluted This was going to be the
television series where you had to watch every episode and
then read seven or eight different things pieces in order
to understand what was going on here. I mean, obviously,
Shaudor helped himself out a lot by what he did
in the first preseason game. It wasn't like the most
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magical performance ever, but it showcased the kind of stuff
that you saw him do in college and the kind
of stuff that you would hope he was going to
be able to duplicate any NFL. I just look at
the I've looked at that scenario the whole time and
just kind of thought, I'm not sure why we aren't
looking at Shaduur as early as a week one. Honestly,
I feel like it's probably likely to be somebody that's
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more veteran than that. But if you're trying to get
me to stack the entire thing, man, that's a difficult
task to do. If it's me doing it, I might
just throw Shador out there, quite frankly. But if I'm
really trying to figure out how it's going to just
shake out. I know that originally doing Gabriel was being
looked at as being higher. I doubt that's going to
be the case by the time we get there, unless
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there's going to be more incidents that we don't know exactly.
And then of course you have it's that little oblique injury.
It's nothing major from Chador, so that could obviously throw
some things into a wrench. So I'm not sure exactly
what we're looking at in terms of what I think
is going to happen. I think it's easier for me
to say, as long as he's healthy, I might like
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to throw Shador out there and see what he can
do week one, because I just don't think this is
a year where Cleveland's going to be a factor. I
think it's more likely that this should be an experimental
year where you try to see what you can get
and see what you have on that roster as early
as possible, as opposed to going in thinking that you're
competing for a playoff spot.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
Yeah, I think, well, it's two separate things, and I
like how you thought of it, what you would do
and what the Browns might do. It's much easier to
figure out what you would do what the Browns are
gonna do. Who knows, man, they're a wild card. They're
a walking, walking wild card over there. I think it'll
resemble close to what it is right now. Flacco is
going to be the Week one starter they host the Bengals.
(04:59):
He's got a lot more say. I don't think they
hit the ground running week one with Shaduur. I mean,
he's not even getting first team reps. You know, he's
not getting many reps in practice period, you know, so
I doubt they would throw him to the Wolves in
Week one. I get your reasoning. I just don't think
that's what they would do, so I would say i'd
go Flacco. It's probably gonna be almost exactly what it
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is right now. It's probably gonna be Flacco Picket.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Maybe.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
I don't know if Gabriel is gonna get on the
field this weekend, you know, if he's healthy enough to
do so, because if he gets on the field against
the Eagles and he plays well, he's probably gonna stay
ahead of Shaduur. So it might go Gabriel and then Shaduur.
Or maybe they mix it up and say we're not
gonna keep four quarterbacks, let's deal Kenny Pickett. Maybe they
would do something like that. But I don't think they
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would let one of the rookies go just yet. I
don't see that happening.
Speaker 5 (05:50):
Yeah, I'm with you on that. I think that when
I look at it, Flacco is obviously just kind of
there to bridge, but it's not even a long term bridge.
I don't even think it's a half season bridge. I
agree with you. I think that's probably the most likely scenario,
especially against a division a division rival and a division opponent,
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put somebody in there that's that's obviously seen his share
even in that division to go even further into it.
I do look at it's a tough spot honestly for
the rookies to be in, just because you have another
one there. That scenario doesn't happen too often. And then
on top of that, there's two other guys above that
have at least starting experience in a league. I'm pretty
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I'm not big at all on Picket at the stage,
but it would make sense, at least for right now,
for him to be where he is on the depth chart.
I just continue to look at Shador and I'm like, man,
why are you not in New Orleans? Man? Because I
haven't heard and seen very much good about Tyler Shuck
coming out of New Orleans. It's just like there seemed
to be other places where he could have gone and
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not had seventeen quarterbacks that he was competing with. It
just seems like it seems like the Brown created a
problem needlessly, and I'm waiting for them to sign another
quarterback in the next couple of weeks based on their act.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Right.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
Well, yeah, that's the thing, man is. There are a
few teams and we'll see where it goes. It was
a good preseason debut for Shador. I know you and
I aren't going crazy like he's gonna be the next
big star based on this. I don't think he can
blow it out of proportion, but the guy has talent,
and there are to your point, there are some teams
that bypass Shador and they don't have a quarterback of
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the now or the future on the roster. The Jets
don't have one. The Steelers at least have a quarterback
for this year, not the future. Look at what's happening
with the Colts the raidas they get a bridge quarterback
in Geno. There are a lot of teams that passed
on Shador, and not just the first round, like second, third, fourth,
that could have been in a better position with Shador
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and they elected not to. This is the other thing
I was thinking about. Jason Martin, Brian Know with you
here in for two Pros and a Cup of Joe
on Fox Sports Radio, do you think it makes sense
that Shador Sanders is the biggest story in the NFL
right now, because for sure he is. There's not another
guy that is getting talked about as much in terms
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of on the field. Maybe we're talking about Michael Parsons contract,
but in terms of driving opinions and driving content all
over the place. He's the guy, and I think you
could look at it one of two ways, j Mart,
and both sides make some sense. You could look at
it and say, no, it doesn't make any sense at all.
He's listed as the fourth string quarterback right now. He's
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not gonna be the starter. Best case, he's the backups backup.
Or you could say, yeah, it makes total sense. He's
basically Bronnie James with talent. Right he's got a famous dad.
There are a lot of people that dislike his flash
for whatever reason. Everybody has an opinion, So yeah, it
makes sense that he's the biggest story in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Right now, which way do you look at it?
Speaker 5 (09:00):
Probably the latter. I mean, I think that once you
saw how that pre draft process kind of kicked into gear,
you saw a cow that could be milked, And I
think that's kind of what it's been, and there hasn't been.
You can correct me if I'm wrong, But there's not
a whole lot else just right now that's particularly interesting. Yeah,
(09:21):
there's gonna be storyline after storyline obviously once we get
to the season. But to your point, outside of the
Michael Parsons contract thing, which is just Jerry Jones finding
a way to stay relevant in the offseason and have
people talking about him. It's not like a bunch of
guys have been saying stuff about one another. There's not
a lot of disputes out there. It's just the usual, right,
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It's the preseason predictions for the season, like we're starting
to see that, and of course the fantasy stuff is
starting to ramp up a little bit now and we're
just trying to dodge injuries in the preseason. But I mean,
I'm trying to think of something else that there's really
meat on the bone, and mine has always been the same.
It's in the same division. It's just that I think
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Pittsburgh's going to have a bad year this year, and
that's got the Aaron Rodgers effect. But you can only
talk about that so much, and I think that people
kind of exhausted all the talking points for now, except
I guess now he's talking about the helmet, so I
guess you could potentially discuss him saying that the helmet
looks like some kind of astronaut thing or something. But
in terms of just something that creates it seems to
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create its own content. It is shador and people can
then comment on what's been commented on. And I think
that once you saw how that played out in the
lead up to the NFL Draft, they're just continuing along that,
along that pathway. He is interesting, he's compelling. There's a
lot of different facets of what's going on, and then
the Browns being the Browns with one hundred having a
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roster full of quarterbacks and then a few other players,
that makes it all the more interesting. So I'm not
really surprised by it, and I'm okay with it because
there is a lot to discuss the If there is
anything to debate, it's this guy that was being talked
about one way a year ago, Brian, and now is
being talked about in completely different light.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
No, when you break it down like that, it does
make a lot of sense because it's much deeper than
this guy's a fifth round pick who's fourth string right now,
maybe third string by time Week one rolls around. It's
way deeper than that. That's just surface level.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
And when you have a guy like.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
Shadur Sanders that just drives opinions far and wide, it's
the perfect storm to have a conversation, like what other
player is driving conversation like that, Maybe Caleb Williams with
the Bears.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
A lot of people have.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
That's the other one.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
Yes, yes, yes, But outside of that, where we got
we got Matthew Stafford's back injury. That's not driving conversation, right,
So when you think about it like that, it does
make sense that we spend as much time talking about
Shadeur as we do.
Speaker 5 (12:01):
Yeah, I mean, I think that the unknown creates a
lot of possibilities, and there's a lot unknown, and then
there are opinions on both sides of that divide predicting
what the unknown is going to be. And I do
think Caleb is the other one, and I imagine we're
going to talk about Caleb before the end of the show.
So I think right now you're just kind of in
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that sort of holding pattern before the season. And yeah,
there'll be a few things that crop up and some
things in the preseason that will create some talking points,
But there was already a built in storyline and a
built in discussion point surrounding Shador Sanders before we ever
even got here. I mean, we were talking about that
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before he was drafted. Then that of course when he
was drafted in the afternoon on that Saturday, and then
we're still talking about it now because you don't have
to see this guy play football to have an opinion
on how this guy is going to behave once he
does start playing football.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
You know, when you think about it, a lot of
similarities with Caleb Williams, Yes, right, Like he was talked
about like crazy in college and that just transferred right
to the NFL. Imagine if Caleb Williams, on top of
driving all that college conversation, had a famous father who
was like this NFL Hall of Famer coaching him at USC,
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you know what I mean. And then boat Press though,
you got something huge right there, but it still was
very big with Caleb without the famous father. You know,
it's not like he was a defensive back or we
just know that his dad is very opinionated and all
that type of stuff. But kind of similar if you
think about Caleb and Shador, some similarities, not all, but
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is on the brain here j Mart some other NFL
news that got me thinking. So Bill's running back, James
Cook he got paid, got his contract extension four years,
forty eight million dollars. The guaranteed money is what really matters.
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Thirty million dollars guaranteed. And I thought about this where
it's like a nine day hold in, not this extensive,
you know, ridiculously long hold out slash in. And he's signed,
zeal delivered all that good stuff. The biggest reason other
than James Cook himself, that this extension has been agreed to,
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It's not because of another running back. It's not because
of Saquon Barkley or Derrick Henry kind of driving the market.
It's not rams running back Kyron Williams. He just got
an extension right before James Cook. The biggest reason why
is because of his teammate quarterback, Josh Allen. That's why
James Cook has gotten paid. Man and James Cook is
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a good running back. But if you look at the
GMS track record, the Bills, GM Brandon Bean, he's never
extended a running back after their rookie deal. He hasn't
done it. This is the first time he's done it,
and earlier this offseason he said, we want to give
Josh Allen every chance every single year to see if
that team in twenty five, twenty six, twenty seven, in
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as many years as he can play, can contend for
a title. That's why James Cook has his contract extension.
They're doing everything they can to give Josh Allen as
good of a supporting cast as possible where they can
win a ring. And that, to me, it's a little
bit interesting, right Normally you think the running back market
drives it for the running back. No, it's actually his teammate,
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who's a quarterback in Josh Allen, that drove it for
James Cook.
Speaker 5 (17:58):
Yeah. Well, I mean I think there's true to that.
It's also true to you can usually in a lot
of teams that behave the way the Bills do when
it comes to running backs off that rookie contract. They
believe they can find another version of you.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 5 (18:12):
They feel like they can go find another guy that
can give them pretty much the same stuff they've given you.
And of course, if you're the Bills, that's been the
case because they haven't had all world running backs. They've
had guys that have been pretty serviceable to even pretty good,
but you haven't, Like, if you have Jamiir Gibbs, you're
gonna pay Jamir Gibbs, but they haven't necessarily prioritized that
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to the same degree. But I think this speaks to
your point. I think it speaks more to James Cook
being someone that Josh Allen likes and trusts and someone
that Josh Allen believes he can win with, because that
comment from Bean is basically saying, we want to give
him the best chance. We want to give him the
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best supporting cast so that he can have a chance
to win a championship every single year. Well, I imagine they
talk to him about that and he said, yeah, please
pay James. I really like what he brings to our team. Like,
I think that it speaks highly to the quarterback's vision
of his running back because I don't think this gets
done if Josh Allen's like, I mean, he's all right,
you can probably go get somebody else, right, So I
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imagine that this means that Josh Allen thinks that James
Cook is someone that makes them better, and that's a
that's a really good thing. If you're James Cook.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Oh, absolutely, yeah, definitely.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
And what's interesting too is you look at James Cook
last year and he was sixteenth in rushing yards and
a lot of touchdowns.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Sixteen rushing touchdowns.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
That's tied with what jamiir gives Derrick Henry at the
top of the running back you know, class in terms
of rushing touchdowns, but one thousand and nine yards, which
is good.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
But it's sixteenth.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
I mean, you've got guys like Rico Dowdell, you know,
Tony Pollard. Those guys had more rushing yards than James
Cook did. Only two hundred and seven rushing at temp.
So that's on the lower side as well. And this
is interesting too. He was only on the field for
forty eight percent of the Bills offensive snaps last season,
so that's thirty eighth among running backs. So James Cook
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is good, but you could make an argument he's not
thirty million dollars guaranteed good. But this is the benefit
of playing on a really good team. That's that's right there,
j mart Right, like, they're in the mix, they're on
the short list of teams. I think they're tied for
the best odds to win the Super Bowl this season.
With the Ravens. So it's go for it time in Buffalo,
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and they're going for it with James Cook. The other
thing it made me think of this is kind of
interesting that Washington, the Commanders, they're not doing something similar.
They're trying to argue over, you know, dollars and cents
with Terry McLaurin their wide receiver. They just had Jaden
Daniels who had this rock star rookie season. They've got
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all this money, They've got plenty of cash. Only four
teams have more rejected cap space in twenty twenty six
than the Washington Commanders. McLaurin is durable. He has a
miss the game since twenty twenty. He's got five straight
seasons of one thousand plus yards, and Washington's dragging their heels.
I know he turns thirty next month, and that's the
(21:16):
big deal. But when you have Jaden Daniels, he's on
a rookie deal, Jason, it's time to splurge. If there's
ever a time to splurge, it's now, and they don't
want to. I think it's a done deal that they
have to have Terry McLaurin back, and it's just funny.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
That the bills.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
You know, they've they're paying Josh Allen huge money and
they're still paying you know, James Cook thirty million dollars guaranteed.
Now it's not apples to apples because McLaurin wants thirty
million dollars per year, so it's different. But I think
when you've got a rookie deal, you take advantage of
it and the bills that they're going for it. Washington, Yeah,
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they're dragging their heels as of right now with McLaurin.
Speaker 5 (22:00):
Yeah, I don't. I'm not. This is the first time
that I have been out of sync with what Washington
has done since Jaden Daniels got there. I'm not sure
what you're trying to accomplish here. I still think this
this is somehow going to get done, but this just
seems it seems counterproductive because again, that rookie contract, and
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you said it perfectly like you have got to take
full advantage of that, because it's amazing that you found
a unicorn like quarterback that in one year you know
he's the guy, You absolutely know he's the guy, and
you can put the weight of the franchise behind him.
Now you need to surround him with everything possible to
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try and win a chip before you have to pay him.
And so I don't know what why Terry McLaurin would
be the one where you're deciding you want to stutter
a little bit. One thing about what you said about
James Cook about him being sixteenth in yards, I will
say this, in Buffalo, the running back is more of
a luxury than it is in other places because of
Josh Allen. Yeah, not just the way he throws the football,
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but the way he runs the football as well. Just
his overall skill set makes the running back a little
bit less of a necessity than it would be in
some other places. For example, like you mentioned Tony Pollard, Well,
I mean Pollard was in a team that couldn't throw
the football at all basically last year, so he was
gonna get more rushing attempts. I would say that we
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can't critique the amount of yards that James Cook has
in Buffalo because we have no idea what he would
have done for a team that doesn't have Josh Allen
at quarterback. I think he's got I think he's he's
a luxury, but he's a nice luxury to have, Like
he's the car that maybe you didn't need, but boy,
it looks pretty good. Like it looks pretty good in
your garage, it looks pretty good when you do have
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to take it out for a spin. So I think
that there is something to that. But yeah, it's it's
absolutely to me, just kind of like a real head scratcher.
Why Washington would be digging in their heels when right
now they should be. They should just be very excited
about the season to come. And they've kind of created
their own little tabloid session over the last couple of months.
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And that does give me a little bit of pause.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
Yeah, yeah, I hear you. Now, I hear what you're
laid out right there.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
And it's funny too, because you could make the argument,
if you're Buffalo, it's like James Cook is good, but
can we not find a guy that does similar stuff?
You know, in the third or fourth round? Is James
Cook that special that we can't find a guy in
the draft to do some similar stuff? They could make
that argument, Josh Allen what he brings to the table.
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I think you could have a decent amount of running
backs that could be productive in that offense, and they
still pay James Cook, right like.
Speaker 5 (24:48):
He must be pretty special to them.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Yeah, he is.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
But that's where I scratch my head with Washington, where
it's like, what's Plan B if you don't have McLaurin there,
And he's in. He's in the neighborhood of a top
ten wide receiver. He had thirteen touchdown grabs last season.
He had a huge year with Jayden Daniels. He's clearly
his top target. So unless McLaurin is just being unreasonable
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and he's like, I'm not budging unless I get thirty
five MILLI year, and Washington's just like, Bro, that's like,
you're resetting the market.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
We can't do that.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
Unless mclaurin's just absolutely crazy in this negotiation.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
I don't get it. I don't know what Washington is doing.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
I want to throw a curveball at you here, j Martin,
because I saw the NBA Christmas Day schedule. Yeah, and
there's one game that stood out and I wanted to
throw a question in your way. I'm curious what you
think about this. So it's Spurs Thunder. So think about this.
Five years from now, which franchise do you think we'll
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have more success? Is it the Spurs who are really
young right now? Or is it the Thunder who are
young at least their core is young. But they're older,
you know with their core guys than the Spurs are.
When you look at Wemby Stefan Castle, who was the
rookie of the year, Dylan Harper just got drafted. Dylan Harper,
you want to feel old for a second. Dylan Harper
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was born in two thousand and six.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
He's nineteen years old. That's under Did you need that this.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
Early in the Sorry quite frankly, sorry, but who you
going with?
Speaker 5 (26:20):
Fight?
Speaker 4 (26:20):
Let's say, what is it twenty so beginning twenty thirty,
which team like with its core do you think we'll.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
Have more success? Spurs or Thunder.
Speaker 5 (26:29):
So that's a tough question for me to answer as
a diehard Thunder fan. Man, I mean, in the way
you set it up, I think you may have your answer.
And I'm not necessarily against that. Like it might be
the Spurs because because of youth, and because there's a
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lot of organizations that could screw up the youth, could
set it back, could make the wrong decisions, But the
Spurs generally have made a lot of right decisions. Now
they haven't been a factor in a few year years,
But I mean before the thunder truly emerged, they were
a nothing team too, Like they were stockpiling things for
the future. They were clearly building. Sam Presty was building
with a few years down the road in mind, as
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opposed to trying to turn everything around overnight. And a
lot of teams when they bought them out or when
they have gone from hero to near zero, as the
case was in San Antonio, they just kind of disappear
off the map and they just start making good decisions
in the draft and making good decisions in their office.
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And the Spurs have done that, like to your point,
they had the Rookie of the Year, they drafted Wimby,
they acquired Fox, like, they've done some things to make
themselves better. It wasn't gonna make them better overnight. But
all of these things, when you collect them together, contribute
to a hole that can become very impressive over a
course of time. And so five years from now is
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an eternity in sports time, like who knows what happens.
There was a point in time when Kevin Durant didn't
seem to have an ego at all when he was
in Oklahoma City and then there was one article that
he didn't care for in the Oklahoma and the next
thing he knows or the next thing we know, he's
going off the Golden State. So who knows how guys
react to everything that's happening. There's a lot of talent
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in Oklahoma City, and it's still a relatively young team.
But I would be, man, I don't know, Man, that's
like fifty to fifty to me. I think he could
go either way. I think I might lean Spurs just
because of the youth, the youth and just because of
how that system has generally been. But we also don't
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know what that looks like with Popovich completely out of
the picture in a completely different role. So we have
to see, you know, whether or not he's going to
have more of a pat Riley effect the way that
he has in Miami, whether they've got the right coach,
all of those kinds of things. So I might say
fifty one, fifty two percent Spurs forty eight percent Thunder.
I know that's like a incredibly hedging my bed, not
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a great sports radio answer, but I don't have like
a I don't really have a hot take either way.
I think both of them have a case to be
right there.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
Yeah, I think it's legit. I think it's really close.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
I would have to say I would go OKAC because Okay,
five years from now, Sga is twenty seven, he'll be
thirty two, right, so you know, thirty two, thirty three,
thirty four to thirty five, he's got some prime years.
He's going nowhere from OKC like he's gonna be there
for the long haul. So I think what OKC is
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gonna do, They're gonna build around their core guys. You're
gonna see Sga, Jalen Williams, chet Holmgren. That's the core.
They've committed to those guys. I think they'll be there
beyond their contract extensions and what they're gonna do. They're
just gonna go young. They're just gonna keep using all
their draft picks. Sam Presty's very sharp. If somebody outside
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of those core three gets a little too expensive, they'll
deal them or let them walk, and they're gonna go young,
and they're gonna have just a rotating supporting cast around
that core. And but with that core, I think they're
gonna maintain their success. They're gonna be in the mix
for a long long time, and five years from now,
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I still think they'll be in the mix. But the
thing is with the Spurs, they're so freaking young. You know,
Wemby's twenty one. He's a kid, So five years from
now he's gonna be twenty six. He say he's got
another decade in him.
Speaker 5 (30:34):
So that five year question you're asking, do you think
the Spurs win a title within five years?
Speaker 3 (30:40):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (30:41):
Even if they want to go with the thunder answer,
they could probably win a championship during that span.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
I don't think within five years the Spurs will get there.
I think after five years the Spurs are absolutely live
to get there.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
But I don't think they turn it around that quickly.
Speaker 4 (30:56):
I think after you know, once we hit twenty thirty,
Spurs are gonna look way better than they do right now.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
I think they're gonna be a problem. Five years from now.
Speaker 5 (31:05):
Man, that seems like it's so far down the road
the Spurs fans. Right now, it's just like, man, I mean,
it's gonna be You're gonna see a lot of growth
and some teams maybe take that step a little bit sooner.
Of course, health is going to play its role and
play its factor in that as well. But yeah, I
mean maybe I'm maybe I'm just trying to couch it
a little bit and be careful as a thunderfan, I'd
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never try to get too high with my own team.
Like you. Probably you're probably a little more negative on
the Dolphins than a lot of people are, just by design.
I kind of in that way. Like I hear a
lot of good stuff about the Denver Broncos right now.
Love what I'm hearing from Sean Payton about bo Nicks.
I'm just trying to be real cautious going into the
season not to get too high, because when you get
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too high, you end up way too low. It's very
easy to disappoint high expectations. So maybe that's why I'm
just trying to be a little more cautious there. I
think if you're if you're right that they are not
going to a championship within five years and then they're
gonna be a problem, then the answer would have to
be Oklahoma City, because I do think Oklahoma City is
gonna pull another one over the next five years.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
Oh yeah, I would bet on OKC getting there. Yeah,
for sure, I think that will happen. I just think
if you compare those two not now, but like beginning,
Like the starting blocks are five years from now.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
That's when the race begins.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
Like, So, once we hit twenty thirty, who do you
think is going to be more successful?
Speaker 3 (32:30):
It very well might be the Spurs.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
I would bet on OKC, just because you still get
prime years from SGA. You're still gonna have another five
years from him once we get to twenty thirty. And
I think I just believe in Presty. I believe in
that organization. Yeah, I would bet on them having more success.
But I would not be surprised in the least if
that's wrong and the Spurs do. But there you go,
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a little NBA on a Thursday. How about that craziness here?
Speaker 5 (32:55):
And it wasn't about the Lakers, That's.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
Right, it can't happen. It was about the s All
fall team.
Speaker 4 (33:02):
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All right, j mart So I saw some betting news
that I thought was interesting. So apparently bet MGM they
had a better that hit him up, and this was
in Glendale, Arizona. And the better said, you know what
I want three big time college football wagers here. All right,
(34:15):
So this better put three hundred k on Texas to
win it all. Then he put two hundred k on
Penn State to win it all. Then he also put
one hundred and fifteen thousand dollars on Clemson to win
a championship this season. So basically, with the odds the
way they are, he would win just about one point
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five million dollars if any one of those three teams goes.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
On to win a championship.
Speaker 4 (34:44):
Okay, so it begs the question, if you put a
bet on three different college football teams to win a
championship this season, which three teams are you going with?
Are you going like him? Texas, Penn State, Clemson? You
get shaken it up.
Speaker 5 (35:00):
A little bit.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
Who do you have your eye on?
Speaker 5 (35:03):
I do like Texas Man, Penn's. It's hard to put
money on James Franklin. Man absolutely is not because I
don't think he's a good coach. It's just is he
a championship coach. I've always been pretty down on him
because I've watched him since his time at Vanderbilt where
I covered him here in Nashville and just kind of
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like watched what's happened at Penn State. Do they have
a roster that's talented enough to win it all? Yes,
they absolutely do, especially if Aler takes the next step
in his career. But I don't know, like I can
understand why some have him have Penn State preseason rank
number one, but I could also see why you would
just kind of kind of wait and see when it
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came to what Penn State was actually gonna do. But
at the same time, who do you feel better about
than the three teams mentioned. I can understand why you
would go with Clemson. One club Nick is awesome, and
two it's still the ACC. So there's not a lot
of depth there when it comes to anything. Even if
Alabama has a really good year, I don't know that
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Alabama is a national championship contender this year. I am
still kind of baffled by the love for Garrett Nusmeyer
and LSU. But I think a lot of teams across
the SEC have quarterback questions, so you have that argument.
Of course, you have the defending champions in Ohio State.
They're going to be certainly heard from, but what are
they going to look like at some positions surrounding the obvious?
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I don't know the other like I think I probably
would if I were forced to bet on three teams,
I could see why those would be the three. Even
though I tried to talk myself out of Penn State there,
I don't know who I could talk myself into other
than that, I think generally I just wouldn't bet on
three teams. Although I like the idea of I mean
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College football is the one sport that seems more predictable
When it comes to teams that are likely to have
a chance to win a championship before the season. Usually
you're you're more apt to be correct, because even if
the little guy does show up, you still have, you know,
that issue where you get to the playoff and they
get beat by fifty, like an SMU or an Indiana
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or something like that. I know you're a Notre Dame guy,
So where do you Where are you looking at for
the Irish this year? Would you try to throw money
on them?
Speaker 3 (37:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (37:24):
You know, if I've got this six hundred and fifteen
K laying around just like, oh man, it's three hundred
k in the seat cushions, you know, I just got
to come up with three fifteen more, no problem. If
I just have that laying around. The three teams I
would go with. I would go with Texas, I would
go with Georgia.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
And call me a homer. I would go with my Irish.
Speaker 4 (37:46):
I would because you look at their defense, they're gonna
be a top five unit.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
You could argue if each you know.
Speaker 4 (37:54):
Layer of the defense, a defensive line, linebackers, secondary, secondary,
is really good question is CJ.
Speaker 5 (38:01):
Carr.
Speaker 4 (38:01):
He's probably gonna be the starting quarterback. So you're talking
first year starting QB. You've got Jeremiah Love, got a
really good running game to take pressure off of that quarterback.
Got a very manageable schedule. I'm a believer in Kirby Smart.
I think their schedule is manageable as well. This season
as manageable as it gets life in the SEC. You know,
you get Bama at home, You're at Tennessee, but I
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don't see them being world beaters. You get Texas at home,
so you get a couple of big home games for Georgia.
I think they're gonna be in the mix. And I'm
with you with what you originally said about Penn State.
I just can't back them. They they're one in eighteen
under James Franklin against top five teams.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
They've beaten Ohio State one time.
Speaker 4 (38:45):
Were they like one in ten, I'd have to look
that up for sure, but they got one win against
Ohio State.
Speaker 5 (38:50):
So you have the same caveat I do like it's
just it's there's something there with the coach where it's
just when you get to game day, Yeah, it's all
of a sudden you don't feel too good.
Speaker 4 (39:01):
I know, you get Oregon at home, and you're at
Ohio State, so you've beaten them one time.
Speaker 3 (39:07):
What are the odds of Penn.
Speaker 4 (39:09):
State going on the road and finally getting it done
and not just the regular season. You got to win
three four games once we get to the playoff. That's
that's a lot to ask for a program that's not
come close to getting it done.
Speaker 5 (39:24):
Yeah, No, I mean I think that's I think that's true. Yeah, Georgia.
It's kind of weird, like we haven't talked a lot
about Georgia this offseason, not as much as you would
think considering their level of success in years past. But yeah,
I mean I think them absolutely being in the mix.
I think that one makes some sense. Yeah, I think
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the coach matters, I do, and James Franklin just kind
of makes you second guess yourself a little bit. Oregon
we didn't talk about it all either. I'm not exactly
sure what they're gonna be.
Speaker 4 (39:55):
They have hardly any starters returning, which right, I mean, hey, listen,
they can reload, it's been done before, but they have
like a staggeringly low amount of starters returning You know
what's funny to me is Georgia and Penn State both
have the same odds. They're seven to one to win
it all right now at bet MGM. And what's funny
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to me about Penn State. If the same things played
out with another school, there's no way they would be
one of the favorites and talked about like glowingly. Like
imagine if Notre Dame had a coach that was one
in eighteen against top five teams, one in ten against
their rival, you know, like Ohio State or whatever, the
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rival like USC you know, pick your rival of choice,
and you know, the equivalent of Drew Aller through an
interception costly interception at the end of a college football
playoff semi final game.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
People would be so down on Notre Day'd be like,
get Notre Dame. But it's the opposite with Penn State.
I hear a lot of glowing comments about them. It
blows my mind.
Speaker 5 (41:01):
Yeah, I'm one hundred percent with you. It does seem
like they have a little bit longer over runway for mediocrity.
Speaker 3 (41:08):
Yeah, they really do, all right.
Speaker 4 (41:10):
Coming up next hour two, J Martin steers the ship
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Speaker 3 (00:37):
Oh what is going on? Happy Thursday to you, man,
I'll tell you what. Jaymark.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
Great to be with you. We are inching our way
towards ball. We are just a little over a week
away until we get college football. Now, Week zero sucks.
It's a horrible slate of games. I'm not gonna try
try and tell you it's awesome, but it's ball. Nevertheless,
and then the week after Week one in college football
we got some great matchups and the NFL not too
(01:04):
long after that. Man, can you feel it? Can you
feel it in the air? Ball is right around the corner.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
J Martin?
Speaker 5 (01:10):
Oh yeah, I mean the only thing that I can't
feel yet is the temperature that I want to accompany
the ball that is around the corner. Because of Nashville,
it's just been an insanely, insanely hot just in crazy
hot summer. We're like plus ninety five for the next
seven days with one oh five plus heat indexes. So
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it doesn't feel like ball well, I mean, it feels
like two a days and in high school and all
that kind of stuff, But it doesn't feel like ball weather.
But we're getting there. We are getting there until I
think that's gonna be The bonus is it's gonna be
temperate again. I can walk outside without feeling like a
heat stroke.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
Is zeer by there you go, okay, nice and yeah,
if you're into the cooler temperatures, ball signifies cooler temperatures,
you know. So if if that's your thing, right there,
it won't be insufferable with the summer temperatures. But this
is the one thing that caught my attention the most,
and I wanted to dive in it with you. Brown's
quarterback Shaudeur Sanders, speaking of ball, played well in his
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preseason debut last week. Well, he suffered an oblique strain
here Shane Mark that was in practice on Wednesday and
so he's unlikely to play on Saturday.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
That was the next.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
Preseason game at the Eagles. So it looks like he's
not gonna be out on the field. So the first
question is where does this leave Shauduur on the depth
chart as we inch closer to the regular season. How
do you think it's going to shake out for the
Browns leading up to Week one? If you look at
your you know, you look at the crystal ball, what
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do you think in order one, two, three, four, I
don't know, question mark there, what do you think it
looks like come week one for the Browns QB depth chart?
Speaker 5 (02:49):
Yeah? I mean it's We knew this was going to
be a big, convoluted This was going to be the
television series where you had to watch every episode and
then read seven or eight different things pieces in order
to understand what was going on here. I mean, obviously,
Shaudor helped himself out a lot by what he did
in the first preseason game. It wasn't like the most
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magical performance ever, but it showcased the kind of stuff
that you saw him do in college and the kind
of stuff that you would hope he was going to
be able to duplicate any NFL. I just look at
the I've looked at that scenario the whole time and
just kind of thought, I'm not sure why we aren't
looking at Shaduur as early as a week one. Honestly,
I feel like it's probably likely to be somebody that's
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more veteran than that. But if you're trying to get
me to stack the entire thing, man, that's a difficult
task to do. If it's me doing it, I might
just throw Shador out there, quite frankly. But if I'm
really trying to figure out how it's going to just
shake out. I know that originally doing Gabriel was being
looked at as being higher. I doubt that's going to
be the case by the time we get there, unless
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there's going to be more incidents that we don't know exactly.
And then of course you have it's that little oblique injury.
It's nothing major from Chador, so that could obviously throw
some things into a wrench. So I'm not sure exactly
what we're looking at in terms of what I think
is going to happen. I think it's easier for me
to say, as long as he's healthy, I might like
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to throw Shador out there and see what he can
do week one, because I just don't think this is
a year where Cleveland's going to be a factor. I
think it's more likely that this should be an experimental
year where you try to see what you can get
and see what you have on that roster as early
as possible, as opposed to going in thinking that you're
competing for a playoff spot.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
Yeah, I think, well, it's two separate things, and I
like how you thought of it, what you would do
and what the Browns might do. It's much easier to
figure out what you would do what the Browns are
gonna do. Who knows, man, they're a wild card. They're
a walking, walking wild card over there. I think it'll
resemble close to what it is right now. Flacco is
going to be the Week one starter they host the Bengals.
(04:59):
He's got a lot more say. I don't think they
hit the ground running week one with Shaduur. I mean,
he's not even getting first team reps. You know, he's
not getting many reps in practice period, you know, so
I doubt they would throw him to the Wolves in
Week one. I get your reasoning. I just don't think
that's what they would do, so I would say i'd
go Flacco. It's probably gonna be almost exactly what it
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is right now. It's probably gonna be Flacco Picket.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Maybe.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
I don't know if Gabriel is gonna get on the
field this weekend, you know, if he's healthy enough to
do so, because if he gets on the field against
the Eagles and he plays well, he's probably gonna stay
ahead of Shaduur. So it might go Gabriel and then Shaduur.
Or maybe they mix it up and say we're not
gonna keep four quarterbacks, let's deal Kenny Pickett. Maybe they
would do something like that. But I don't think they
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would let one of the rookies go just yet. I
don't see that happening.
Speaker 5 (05:50):
Yeah, I'm with you on that. I think that when
I look at it, Flacco is obviously just kind of
there to bridge, but it's not even a long term bridge.
I don't even think it's a half season bridge. I
agree with you. I think that's probably the most likely scenario,
especially against a division a division rival and a division opponent,
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put somebody in there that's that's obviously seen his share
even in that division to go even further into it.
I do look at it's a tough spot honestly for
the rookies to be in, just because you have another
one there. That scenario doesn't happen too often. And then
on top of that, there's two other guys above that
have at least starting experience in a league. I'm pretty
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I'm not big at all on Picket at the stage,
but it would make sense, at least for right now,
for him to be where he is on the depth chart.
I just continue to look at Shador and I'm like, man,
why are you not in New Orleans? Man? Because I
haven't heard and seen very much good about Tyler Shuck
coming out of New Orleans. It's just like there seemed
to be other places where he could have gone and
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not had seventeen quarterbacks that he was competing with. It
just seems like it seems like the Brown created a
problem needlessly, and I'm waiting for them to sign another
quarterback in the next couple of weeks based on their act.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Right.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
Well, yeah, that's the thing, man is. There are a
few teams and we'll see where it goes. It was
a good preseason debut for Shador. I know you and
I aren't going crazy like he's gonna be the next
big star based on this. I don't think he can
blow it out of proportion, but the guy has talent,
and there are to your point, there are some teams
that bypass Shador and they don't have a quarterback of
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the now or the future on the roster. The Jets
don't have one. The Steelers at least have a quarterback
for this year, not the future. Look at what's happening
with the Colts the raidas they get a bridge quarterback
in Geno. There are a lot of teams that passed
on Shador, and not just the first round, like second, third, fourth,
that could have been in a better position with Shador
(07:51):
and they elected not to. This is the other thing
I was thinking about. Jason Martin, Brian Know with you
here in for two Pros and a Cup of Joe
on Fox Sports Radio, do you think it makes sense
that Shador Sanders is the biggest story in the NFL
right now, because for sure he is. There's not another
guy that is getting talked about as much in terms
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of on the field. Maybe we're talking about Michael Parsons contract,
but in terms of driving opinions and driving content all
over the place. He's the guy, and I think you
could look at it one of two ways, j Mart,
and both sides make some sense. You could look at
it and say, no, it doesn't make any sense at all.
He's listed as the fourth string quarterback right now. He's
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not gonna be the starter. Best case, he's the backups backup.
Or you could say, yeah, it makes total sense. He's
basically Bronnie James with talent. Right he's got a famous dad.
There are a lot of people that dislike his flash
for whatever reason. Everybody has an opinion, So yeah, it
makes sense that he's the biggest story in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Right now, which way do you look at it?
Speaker 5 (09:00):
Probably the latter. I mean, I think that once you
saw how that pre draft process kind of kicked into gear,
you saw a cow that could be milked, And I
think that's kind of what it's been, and there hasn't been.
You can correct me if I'm wrong, But there's not
a whole lot else just right now that's particularly interesting. Yeah,
(09:21):
there's gonna be storyline after storyline obviously once we get
to the season. But to your point, outside of the
Michael Parsons contract thing, which is just Jerry Jones finding
a way to stay relevant in the offseason and have
people talking about him. It's not like a bunch of
guys have been saying stuff about one another. There's not
a lot of disputes out there. It's just the usual, right,
(09:43):
It's the preseason predictions for the season, like we're starting
to see that, and of course the fantasy stuff is
starting to ramp up a little bit now and we're
just trying to dodge injuries in the preseason. But I mean,
I'm trying to think of something else that there's really
meat on the bone, and mine has always been the same.
It's in the same division. It's just that I think
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Pittsburgh's going to have a bad year this year, and
that's got the Aaron Rodgers effect. But you can only
talk about that so much, and I think that people
kind of exhausted all the talking points for now, except
I guess now he's talking about the helmet, so I
guess you could potentially discuss him saying that the helmet
looks like some kind of astronaut thing or something. But
in terms of just something that creates it seems to
(10:27):
create its own content. It is shador and people can
then comment on what's been commented on. And I think
that once you saw how that played out in the
lead up to the NFL Draft, they're just continuing along that,
along that pathway. He is interesting, he's compelling. There's a
lot of different facets of what's going on, and then
the Browns being the Browns with one hundred having a
(10:49):
roster full of quarterbacks and then a few other players,
that makes it all the more interesting. So I'm not
really surprised by it, and I'm okay with it because
there is a lot to discuss the If there is
anything to debate, it's this guy that was being talked
about one way a year ago, Brian, and now is
being talked about in completely different light.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
No, when you break it down like that, it does
make a lot of sense because it's much deeper than
this guy's a fifth round pick who's fourth string right now,
maybe third string by time Week one rolls around. It's
way deeper than that. That's just surface level.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
And when you have a guy like.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
Shadur Sanders that just drives opinions far and wide, it's
the perfect storm to have a conversation, like what other
player is driving conversation like that, Maybe Caleb Williams with
the Bears.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
A lot of people have.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
That's the other one.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
Yes, yes, yes, But outside of that, where we got
we got Matthew Stafford's back injury. That's not driving conversation, right,
So when you think about it like that, it does
make sense that we spend as much time talking about
Shadeur as we do.
Speaker 5 (12:01):
Yeah, I mean, I think that the unknown creates a
lot of possibilities, and there's a lot unknown, and then
there are opinions on both sides of that divide predicting
what the unknown is going to be. And I do
think Caleb is the other one, and I imagine we're
going to talk about Caleb before the end of the show.
So I think right now you're just kind of in
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that sort of holding pattern before the season. And yeah,
there'll be a few things that crop up and some
things in the preseason that will create some talking points,
But there was already a built in storyline and a
built in discussion point surrounding Shador Sanders before we ever
even got here. I mean, we were talking about that
(12:42):
before he was drafted. Then that of course when he
was drafted in the afternoon on that Saturday, and then
we're still talking about it now because you don't have
to see this guy play football to have an opinion
on how this guy is going to behave once he
does start playing football.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
You know, when you think about it, a lot of
similarities with Caleb Williams, Yes, right, Like he was talked
about like crazy in college and that just transferred right
to the NFL. Imagine if Caleb Williams, on top of
driving all that college conversation, had a famous father who
was like this NFL Hall of Famer coaching him at USC,
(13:16):
you know what I mean. And then boat Press though,
you got something huge right there, but it still was
very big with Caleb without the famous father. You know,
it's not like he was a defensive back or we
just know that his dad is very opinionated and all
that type of stuff. But kind of similar if you
think about Caleb and Shador, some similarities, not all, but
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is on the brain here j Mart some other NFL
news that got me thinking. So Bill's running back, James
Cook he got paid, got his contract extension four years,
forty eight million dollars. The guaranteed money is what really matters.
(16:24):
Thirty million dollars guaranteed. And I thought about this where
it's like a nine day hold in, not this extensive,
you know, ridiculously long hold out slash in. And he's signed,
zeal delivered all that good stuff. The biggest reason other
than James Cook himself, that this extension has been agreed to,
(16:47):
It's not because of another running back. It's not because
of Saquon Barkley or Derrick Henry kind of driving the market.
It's not rams running back Kyron Williams. He just got
an extension right before James Cook. The biggest reason why
is because of his teammate quarterback, Josh Allen. That's why
James Cook has gotten paid. Man and James Cook is
(17:09):
a good running back. But if you look at the
GMS track record, the Bills, GM Brandon Bean, he's never
extended a running back after their rookie deal. He hasn't
done it. This is the first time he's done it,
and earlier this offseason he said, we want to give
Josh Allen every chance every single year to see if
that team in twenty five, twenty six, twenty seven, in
(17:31):
as many years as he can play, can contend for
a title. That's why James Cook has his contract extension.
They're doing everything they can to give Josh Allen as
good of a supporting cast as possible where they can
win a ring. And that, to me, it's a little
bit interesting, right Normally you think the running back market
drives it for the running back. No, it's actually his teammate,
(17:54):
who's a quarterback in Josh Allen, that drove it for
James Cook.
Speaker 5 (17:58):
Yeah. Well, I mean I think there's true to that.
It's also true to you can usually in a lot
of teams that behave the way the Bills do when
it comes to running backs off that rookie contract. They
believe they can find another version of you.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 5 (18:12):
They feel like they can go find another guy that
can give them pretty much the same stuff they've given you.
And of course, if you're the Bills, that's been the
case because they haven't had all world running backs. They've
had guys that have been pretty serviceable to even pretty good,
but you haven't, Like, if you have Jamiir Gibbs, you're
gonna pay Jamir Gibbs, but they haven't necessarily prioritized that
(18:32):
to the same degree. But I think this speaks to
your point. I think it speaks more to James Cook
being someone that Josh Allen likes and trusts and someone
that Josh Allen believes he can win with, because that
comment from Bean is basically saying, we want to give
him the best chance. We want to give him the
(18:53):
best supporting cast so that he can have a chance
to win a championship every single year. Well, I imagine they
talk to him about that and he said, yeah, please
pay James. I really like what he brings to our team. Like,
I think that it speaks highly to the quarterback's vision
of his running back because I don't think this gets
done if Josh Allen's like, I mean, he's all right,
you can probably go get somebody else, right, So I
(19:17):
imagine that this means that Josh Allen thinks that James
Cook is someone that makes them better, and that's a
that's a really good thing. If you're James Cook.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Oh, absolutely, yeah, definitely.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
And what's interesting too is you look at James Cook
last year and he was sixteenth in rushing yards and
a lot of touchdowns.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Sixteen rushing touchdowns.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
That's tied with what jamiir gives Derrick Henry at the
top of the running back you know, class in terms
of rushing touchdowns, but one thousand and nine yards, which
is good.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
But it's sixteenth.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
I mean, you've got guys like Rico Dowdell, you know,
Tony Pollard. Those guys had more rushing yards than James
Cook did. Only two hundred and seven rushing at temp.
So that's on the lower side as well. And this
is interesting too. He was only on the field for
forty eight percent of the Bills offensive snaps last season,
so that's thirty eighth among running backs. So James Cook
(20:12):
is good, but you could make an argument he's not
thirty million dollars guaranteed good. But this is the benefit
of playing on a really good team. That's that's right there,
j mart Right, like, they're in the mix, they're on
the short list of teams. I think they're tied for
the best odds to win the Super Bowl this season.
With the Ravens. So it's go for it time in Buffalo,
(20:33):
and they're going for it with James Cook. The other
thing it made me think of this is kind of
interesting that Washington, the Commanders, they're not doing something similar.
They're trying to argue over, you know, dollars and cents
with Terry McLaurin their wide receiver. They just had Jaden
Daniels who had this rock star rookie season. They've got
(20:55):
all this money, They've got plenty of cash. Only four
teams have more rejected cap space in twenty twenty six
than the Washington Commanders. McLaurin is durable. He has a
miss the game since twenty twenty. He's got five straight
seasons of one thousand plus yards, and Washington's dragging their heels.
I know he turns thirty next month, and that's the
(21:16):
big deal. But when you have Jaden Daniels, he's on
a rookie deal, Jason, it's time to splurge. If there's
ever a time to splurge, it's now, and they don't
want to. I think it's a done deal that they
have to have Terry McLaurin back, and it's just funny.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
That the bills.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
You know, they've they're paying Josh Allen huge money and
they're still paying you know, James Cook thirty million dollars guaranteed.
Now it's not apples to apples because McLaurin wants thirty
million dollars per year, so it's different. But I think
when you've got a rookie deal, you take advantage of
it and the bills that they're going for it. Washington, Yeah,
(21:56):
they're dragging their heels as of right now with McLaurin.
Speaker 5 (22:00):
Yeah, I don't. I'm not. This is the first time
that I have been out of sync with what Washington
has done since Jaden Daniels got there. I'm not sure
what you're trying to accomplish here. I still think this
this is somehow going to get done, but this just
seems it seems counterproductive because again, that rookie contract, and
(22:22):
you said it perfectly like you have got to take
full advantage of that, because it's amazing that you found
a unicorn like quarterback that in one year you know
he's the guy, You absolutely know he's the guy, and
you can put the weight of the franchise behind him.
Now you need to surround him with everything possible to
(22:42):
try and win a chip before you have to pay him.
And so I don't know what why Terry McLaurin would
be the one where you're deciding you want to stutter
a little bit. One thing about what you said about
James Cook about him being sixteenth in yards, I will
say this, in Buffalo, the running back is more of
a luxury than it is in other places because of
Josh Allen. Yeah, not just the way he throws the football,
(23:05):
but the way he runs the football as well. Just
his overall skill set makes the running back a little
bit less of a necessity than it would be in
some other places. For example, like you mentioned Tony Pollard, Well,
I mean Pollard was in a team that couldn't throw
the football at all basically last year, so he was
gonna get more rushing attempts. I would say that we
(23:25):
can't critique the amount of yards that James Cook has
in Buffalo because we have no idea what he would
have done for a team that doesn't have Josh Allen
at quarterback. I think he's got I think he's he's
a luxury, but he's a nice luxury to have, Like
he's the car that maybe you didn't need, but boy,
it looks pretty good. Like it looks pretty good in
your garage, it looks pretty good when you do have
(23:47):
to take it out for a spin. So I think
that there is something to that. But yeah, it's it's
absolutely to me, just kind of like a real head scratcher.
Why Washington would be digging in their heels when right
now they should be. They should just be very excited
about the season to come. And they've kind of created
their own little tabloid session over the last couple of months.
(24:11):
And that does give me a little bit of pause.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
Yeah, yeah, I hear you. Now, I hear what you're
laid out right there.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
And it's funny too, because you could make the argument,
if you're Buffalo, it's like James Cook is good, but
can we not find a guy that does similar stuff?
You know, in the third or fourth round? Is James
Cook that special that we can't find a guy in
the draft to do some similar stuff? They could make
that argument, Josh Allen what he brings to the table.
(24:40):
I think you could have a decent amount of running
backs that could be productive in that offense, and they
still pay James Cook, right like.
Speaker 5 (24:48):
He must be pretty special to them.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Yeah, he is.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
But that's where I scratch my head with Washington, where
it's like, what's Plan B if you don't have McLaurin there,
And he's in. He's in the neighborhood of a top
ten wide receiver. He had thirteen touchdown grabs last season.
He had a huge year with Jayden Daniels. He's clearly
his top target. So unless McLaurin is just being unreasonable
(25:11):
and he's like, I'm not budging unless I get thirty
five MILLI year, and Washington's just like, Bro, that's like,
you're resetting the market.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
We can't do that.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
Unless mclaurin's just absolutely crazy in this negotiation.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
I don't get it. I don't know what Washington is doing.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
I want to throw a curveball at you here, j Martin,
because I saw the NBA Christmas Day schedule. Yeah, and
there's one game that stood out and I wanted to
throw a question in your way. I'm curious what you
think about this. So it's Spurs Thunder. So think about this.
Five years from now, which franchise do you think we'll
(25:49):
have more success? Is it the Spurs who are really
young right now? Or is it the Thunder who are
young at least their core is young. But they're older,
you know with their core guys than the Spurs are.
When you look at Wemby Stefan Castle, who was the
rookie of the year, Dylan Harper just got drafted. Dylan Harper,
you want to feel old for a second. Dylan Harper
(26:10):
was born in two thousand and six.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
He's nineteen years old. That's under Did you need that this.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
Early in the Sorry quite frankly, sorry, but who you
going with?
Speaker 5 (26:20):
Fight?
Speaker 4 (26:20):
Let's say, what is it twenty so beginning twenty thirty,
which team like with its core do you think we'll.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
Have more success? Spurs or Thunder.
Speaker 5 (26:29):
So that's a tough question for me to answer as
a diehard Thunder fan. Man, I mean, in the way
you set it up, I think you may have your answer.
And I'm not necessarily against that. Like it might be
the Spurs because because of youth, and because there's a
(26:50):
lot of organizations that could screw up the youth, could
set it back, could make the wrong decisions, But the
Spurs generally have made a lot of right decisions. Now
they haven't been a factor in a few year years,
But I mean before the thunder truly emerged, they were
a nothing team too, Like they were stockpiling things for
the future. They were clearly building. Sam Presty was building
with a few years down the road in mind, as
(27:13):
opposed to trying to turn everything around overnight. And a
lot of teams when they bought them out or when
they have gone from hero to near zero, as the
case was in San Antonio, they just kind of disappear
off the map and they just start making good decisions
in the draft and making good decisions in their office.
(27:34):
And the Spurs have done that, like to your point,
they had the Rookie of the Year, they drafted Wimby,
they acquired Fox, like, they've done some things to make
themselves better. It wasn't gonna make them better overnight. But
all of these things, when you collect them together, contribute
to a hole that can become very impressive over a
course of time. And so five years from now is
(27:54):
an eternity in sports time, like who knows what happens.
There was a point in time when Kevin Durant didn't
seem to have an ego at all when he was
in Oklahoma City and then there was one article that
he didn't care for in the Oklahoma and the next
thing he knows or the next thing we know, he's
going off the Golden State. So who knows how guys
react to everything that's happening. There's a lot of talent
(28:14):
in Oklahoma City, and it's still a relatively young team.
But I would be, man, I don't know, Man, that's
like fifty to fifty to me. I think he could
go either way. I think I might lean Spurs just
because of the youth, the youth and just because of
how that system has generally been. But we also don't
(28:37):
know what that looks like with Popovich completely out of
the picture in a completely different role. So we have
to see, you know, whether or not he's going to
have more of a pat Riley effect the way that
he has in Miami, whether they've got the right coach,
all of those kinds of things. So I might say
fifty one, fifty two percent Spurs forty eight percent Thunder.
I know that's like a incredibly hedging my bed, not
(29:00):
a great sports radio answer, but I don't have like
a I don't really have a hot take either way.
I think both of them have a case to be
right there.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
Yeah, I think it's legit. I think it's really close.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
I would have to say I would go OKAC because Okay,
five years from now, Sga is twenty seven, he'll be
thirty two, right, so you know, thirty two, thirty three,
thirty four to thirty five, he's got some prime years.
He's going nowhere from OKC like he's gonna be there
for the long haul. So I think what OKC is
(29:34):
gonna do, They're gonna build around their core guys. You're
gonna see Sga, Jalen Williams, chet Holmgren. That's the core.
They've committed to those guys. I think they'll be there
beyond their contract extensions and what they're gonna do. They're
just gonna go young. They're just gonna keep using all
their draft picks. Sam Presty's very sharp. If somebody outside
(29:57):
of those core three gets a little too expensive, they'll
deal them or let them walk, and they're gonna go young,
and they're gonna have just a rotating supporting cast around
that core. And but with that core, I think they're
gonna maintain their success. They're gonna be in the mix
for a long long time, and five years from now,
(30:17):
I still think they'll be in the mix. But the
thing is with the Spurs, they're so freaking young. You know,
Wemby's twenty one. He's a kid, So five years from
now he's gonna be twenty six. He say he's got
another decade in him.
Speaker 5 (30:34):
So that five year question you're asking, do you think
the Spurs win a title within five years?
Speaker 3 (30:40):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (30:41):
Even if they want to go with the thunder answer,
they could probably win a championship during that span.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
I don't think within five years the Spurs will get there.
I think after five years the Spurs are absolutely live
to get there.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
But I don't think they turn it around that quickly.
Speaker 4 (30:56):
I think after you know, once we hit twenty thirty,
Spurs are gonna look way better than they do right now.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
I think they're gonna be a problem. Five years from now.
Speaker 5 (31:05):
Man, that seems like it's so far down the road
the Spurs fans. Right now, it's just like, man, I mean,
it's gonna be You're gonna see a lot of growth
and some teams maybe take that step a little bit sooner.
Of course, health is going to play its role and
play its factor in that as well. But yeah, I
mean maybe I'm maybe I'm just trying to couch it
a little bit and be careful as a thunderfan, I'd
(31:27):
never try to get too high with my own team.
Like you. Probably you're probably a little more negative on
the Dolphins than a lot of people are, just by design.
I kind of in that way. Like I hear a
lot of good stuff about the Denver Broncos right now.
Love what I'm hearing from Sean Payton about bo Nicks.
I'm just trying to be real cautious going into the
season not to get too high, because when you get
(31:48):
too high, you end up way too low. It's very
easy to disappoint high expectations. So maybe that's why I'm
just trying to be a little more cautious there. I
think if you're if you're right that they are not
going to a championship within five years and then they're
gonna be a problem, then the answer would have to
be Oklahoma City, because I do think Oklahoma City is
gonna pull another one over the next five years.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
Oh yeah, I would bet on OKC getting there. Yeah,
for sure, I think that will happen. I just think
if you compare those two not now, but like beginning,
Like the starting blocks are five years from now.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
That's when the race begins.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
Like, So, once we hit twenty thirty, who do you
think is going to be more successful?
Speaker 3 (32:30):
It very well might be the Spurs.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
I would bet on OKC, just because you still get
prime years from SGA. You're still gonna have another five
years from him once we get to twenty thirty. And
I think I just believe in Presty. I believe in
that organization. Yeah, I would bet on them having more success.
But I would not be surprised in the least if
that's wrong and the Spurs do. But there you go,
(32:52):
a little NBA on a Thursday. How about that craziness here?
Speaker 5 (32:55):
And it wasn't about the Lakers, That's.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
Right, it can't happen. It was about the s All
fall team.
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All right, j mart So I saw some betting news
that I thought was interesting. So apparently bet MGM they
had a better that hit him up, and this was
in Glendale, Arizona. And the better said, you know what
I want three big time college football wagers here. All right,
(34:15):
So this better put three hundred k on Texas to
win it all. Then he put two hundred k on
Penn State to win it all. Then he also put
one hundred and fifteen thousand dollars on Clemson to win
a championship this season. So basically, with the odds the
way they are, he would win just about one point
(34:38):
five million dollars if any one of those three teams goes.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
On to win a championship.
Speaker 4 (34:44):
Okay, so it begs the question, if you put a
bet on three different college football teams to win a
championship this season, which three teams are you going with?
Are you going like him? Texas, Penn State, Clemson? You
get shaken it up.
Speaker 5 (35:00):
A little bit.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
Who do you have your eye on?
Speaker 5 (35:03):
I do like Texas Man, Penn's. It's hard to put
money on James Franklin. Man absolutely is not because I
don't think he's a good coach. It's just is he
a championship coach. I've always been pretty down on him
because I've watched him since his time at Vanderbilt where
I covered him here in Nashville and just kind of
(35:24):
like watched what's happened at Penn State. Do they have
a roster that's talented enough to win it all? Yes,
they absolutely do, especially if Aler takes the next step
in his career. But I don't know, like I can
understand why some have him have Penn State preseason rank
number one, but I could also see why you would
just kind of kind of wait and see when it
(35:46):
came to what Penn State was actually gonna do. But
at the same time, who do you feel better about
than the three teams mentioned. I can understand why you
would go with Clemson. One club Nick is awesome, and
two it's still the ACC. So there's not a lot
of depth there when it comes to anything. Even if
Alabama has a really good year, I don't know that
(36:07):
Alabama is a national championship contender this year. I am
still kind of baffled by the love for Garrett Nusmeyer
and LSU. But I think a lot of teams across
the SEC have quarterback questions, so you have that argument.
Of course, you have the defending champions in Ohio State.
They're going to be certainly heard from, but what are
they going to look like at some positions surrounding the obvious?
(36:32):
I don't know the other like I think I probably
would if I were forced to bet on three teams,
I could see why those would be the three. Even
though I tried to talk myself out of Penn State there,
I don't know who I could talk myself into other
than that, I think generally I just wouldn't bet on
three teams. Although I like the idea of I mean
(36:54):
College football is the one sport that seems more predictable
When it comes to teams that are likely to have
a chance to win a championship before the season. Usually
you're you're more apt to be correct, because even if
the little guy does show up, you still have, you know,
that issue where you get to the playoff and they
get beat by fifty, like an SMU or an Indiana
(37:17):
or something like that. I know you're a Notre Dame guy,
So where do you Where are you looking at for
the Irish this year? Would you try to throw money
on them?
Speaker 3 (37:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (37:24):
You know, if I've got this six hundred and fifteen
K laying around just like, oh man, it's three hundred
k in the seat cushions, you know, I just got
to come up with three fifteen more, no problem. If
I just have that laying around. The three teams I
would go with. I would go with Texas, I would
go with Georgia.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
And call me a homer. I would go with my Irish.
Speaker 4 (37:46):
I would because you look at their defense, they're gonna
be a top five unit.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
You could argue if each you know.
Speaker 4 (37:54):
Layer of the defense, a defensive line, linebackers, secondary, secondary,
is really good question is CJ.
Speaker 5 (38:01):
Carr.
Speaker 4 (38:01):
He's probably gonna be the starting quarterback. So you're talking
first year starting QB. You've got Jeremiah Love, got a
really good running game to take pressure off of that quarterback.
Got a very manageable schedule. I'm a believer in Kirby Smart.
I think their schedule is manageable as well. This season
as manageable as it gets life in the SEC. You know,
you get Bama at home, You're at Tennessee, but I
(38:23):
don't see them being world beaters. You get Texas at home,
so you get a couple of big home games for Georgia.
I think they're gonna be in the mix. And I'm
with you with what you originally said about Penn State.
I just can't back them. They they're one in eighteen
under James Franklin against top five teams.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
They've beaten Ohio State one time.
Speaker 4 (38:45):
Were they like one in ten, I'd have to look
that up for sure, but they got one win against
Ohio State.
Speaker 5 (38:50):
So you have the same caveat I do like it's
just it's there's something there with the coach where it's
just when you get to game day, Yeah, it's all
of a sudden you don't feel too good.
Speaker 4 (39:01):
I know, you get Oregon at home, and you're at
Ohio State, so you've beaten them one time.
Speaker 3 (39:07):
What are the odds of Penn.
Speaker 4 (39:09):
State going on the road and finally getting it done
and not just the regular season. You got to win
three four games once we get to the playoff. That's
that's a lot to ask for a program that's not
come close to getting it done.
Speaker 5 (39:24):
Yeah, No, I mean I think that's I think that's true. Yeah, Georgia.
It's kind of weird, like we haven't talked a lot
about Georgia this offseason, not as much as you would
think considering their level of success in years past. But yeah,
I mean I think them absolutely being in the mix.
I think that one makes some sense. Yeah, I think
(39:45):
the coach matters, I do, and James Franklin just kind
of makes you second guess yourself a little bit. Oregon
we didn't talk about it all either. I'm not exactly
sure what they're gonna be.
Speaker 4 (39:55):
They have hardly any starters returning, which right, I mean, hey, listen,
they can reload, it's been done before, but they have
like a staggeringly low amount of starters returning You know
what's funny to me is Georgia and Penn State both
have the same odds. They're seven to one to win
it all right now at bet MGM. And what's funny
(40:15):
to me about Penn State. If the same things played
out with another school, there's no way they would be
one of the favorites and talked about like glowingly. Like
imagine if Notre Dame had a coach that was one
in eighteen against top five teams, one in ten against
their rival, you know, like Ohio State or whatever, the
(40:38):
rival like USC you know, pick your rival of choice,
and you know, the equivalent of Drew Aller through an
interception costly interception at the end of a college football
playoff semi final game.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
People would be so down on Notre Day'd be like,
get Notre Dame. But it's the opposite with Penn State.
I hear a lot of glowing comments about them. It
blows my mind.
Speaker 5 (41:01):
Yeah, I'm one hundred percent with you. It does seem
like they have a little bit longer over runway for mediocrity.
Speaker 3 (41:08):
Yeah, they really do, all right.
Speaker 4 (41:10):
Coming up next hour two, J Martin steers the ship
where he takes us we'll find out
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