August 14, 2025 • 40 mins
Is Ben Johnson going to be the key to unlocking Caleb Williams. Taylor Swift shines on New Heights but we are knee deep in Chiefs fatigue. Do preseason accomplishments count? Plus, watching WNBA vs Redzone and more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:27):
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Speaker 3 (00:28):
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Speaker 2 (00:34):
We're gonna do quite a list here to open up
hour number two, some names you might recognize, and a
talking point about what that actually means. We'll get to
it in just a minute. It is indeed, Two Pros
and a Cup of Joe. They're out today. Brian Knows
with me. I'm Jason Martin, our number two of the program.
Glad to have you with us. All right, be a
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lot of football on this show, because well football is coming,
which means we have something to talk about. We have
a lot to talk about. As a matter of fact,
I don't know how your summer has gone. I don't
know how what sports have had your attention. Have been
watching baseball? What have you been watching this summer? Anything
new compel you? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (01:13):
I watch a little baseball. I watch WNBA all the
freaking time. J Mark all the time.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
I love to man, I watch it. Get I didn't
know you're into it too, that's great, dvring it left,
right and center.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
Yeah, man, I was watching last night. But I was
watching let me think a bunch of games. I was
watching the Sky and the Sun. I was watching the Storm.
I thought the Storm it was the right side. I
hit up Jeff Schwartz, you know, we do a show
on Sundays, and I was like, it's a little risky.
You know, Storm have lost five in a row. The
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the Dream have won five in a row. But I
laid out my reasoning and it was dead wrong. But yeah,
I've liked it a lot.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
You know.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
We saw the Aces meet the Liberty, a pretty good
game one by six. I'm all over it, man, I'm
watching games left and right.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Wait a second, I got I gotta ask now. But
we being sarcastic here, No, We're we talking legit here.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
I watch it all the time, all the time.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
I'm okay, all right. I was being sarcastic about it.
Just said I've put that out and put that out.
I love that.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
It got to a point where you're like, wait a minute,
he I think he's serious right now?
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Yeah, Like I was like, wait, he's selling this awfully
effectively right now.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
No, I do I watch I've got the oh man,
the league pass on YouTube is the worst freaking thing
I've ever bought in my life. I don't know what
it is, bought WNBA League Pass I have. Yeah, it's
only like thirteen bucks a month or something like that.
But if I'm on my phone or my tablet, almost
every time they go to commercial. Think how many times
a basketball game goes to commercial it crashes. It was
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just crash, and then I try to put it back
on and it'll crash and you got to exit. It's
a night mayor.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Dude.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
It's terrible. I don't know why. I don't know why.
It's that it's YouTube, right, Like, everything I've had on
YouTube is good. Not the WNBA package. It is awful. Man,
It's bad. It crashes constantly.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Wow. I still am like trying to make sure you're
not being sarcastic, but you you've now sold it to
a point where I think it's legit.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
No, it is absolutely I watch games all the time.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Wow, did you expect that coming into this year?
Speaker 4 (03:27):
No, it really it's because of Caitlin. That's when I
started watching the WNBA. And then you know, I for countdown,
like we'll make picks, you know, I'll bet on the WNBA.
So I've just paid attention this whole time, basically because
like the last year and a half. Other than that,
I've probably watched five minutes of the WNBA before the
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last year and a half. But now I watch it
all the time.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Wow. Well I mean good, I mean I guess good.
It's given you something to care about. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
Yeah. Other than you know, I'll watch baseball here and there,
but I'm really counting down toward football. Make no mistake,
you know, once ball is here, different story.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
This has been the summer or the year of f
one for me.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
Oh really, okay, I've gotten into that.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
One big time. I just like made a decision at
the beginning of the year. I was like, I'm just
gonna try to get into this. It's something different because
you don't talk about it on you don't talk about
it as part of your job like a lot of
this stuff. Everything you see is kind of get eight
thirteen really solid minutes out of X, Y and Z, right,
not to escape it is for a lot of other
people though, Man, you get to watch sports all the times,
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like right, but there's it's not quite the same for
us as it is for others. But with F one,
I know I'm not really going to be talking about it,
so I've kind of been able to approach it just
like a fan, like I'm learning the sport, I'm learning
the drivers, I'm learning the history. I've gotten deep into it,
like it's become kind of my thing, and it's it's
carried me through summer, even though they're in a midsummer break.
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But I've absolutely loved it. It's gotten me. It's going
to be going on during football, but I've already bought
you know, F one TV premium for the year and
everything else. So it's just you know, interesting, you're watching WNBA,
I'm watching F one.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
That's cool, man. And you know you don't turn the
sports radio host brain off completely. I know you're the same.
That's just how you're wired. So I guarantee you're watching
F one and you're putting together these opinions and these
thoughts as if whatever that's gonna lead the second hour
of your upcoming show, and then it dawns on you
like wait a minute, I'm not gonna talk about it
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at all, and then you can just sit there and
watch it and enjoy it. Sure, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
That's right. I've got another friend who has worked with
me in the sports talk since day one, and guess what,
he's also a huge f one foot and so we
talk about it together just amongst each other. It's like,
we're never gonna do anything with this. We can just
be a fan of something again. It's kind of cool.
It's still sports. It's still sports, but we know it's
not gonna be that thing. Speaking of leading the second hour,
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I'm gonna give you a list of guys real quick,
and I'm gonna see I bet you can figure this
out because you're a pretty bright guy. And as to
why I'm or what these guys have in common with
one another? Okay, Jameis Winston, Jared Goff, Baker Mayfield, Kyler Murray, Yep,
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Joe Burrow, Trevor Lawrence, Bryce Young, Caleb Williams, and Cam Ward.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
They're all number one overall picks.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Yep since twenty fifteen outside of Burrow and then I
guess I would say probably Jared Goff. How many of
those names have become true number one pick material. You
might look at Baker and feel okay about it, But
the reason I'm talking about is because of Caleb, Because
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Kyle Brandt of the NFL Network, I guess that's now
he es me. I don't know at this point in time.
Maybe we'll talk about that before the end of the hour,
because I definitely have takes.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
But he's on NFL network Red zone I think.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Is yeah, whatever, don't touch red zone polices, Please don't
ruin it. He said that year two for a quarterback
is now the new year five, and there's a lot
of truth to that, right like the by the time
you get to year two, the expectations are year five
or it's like cutbait with this guy and let's go
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get somebody else. And we've seen that. But you look
at you know, Bryce Young going into year three and
Trevor Lawrence is what he is at this point in time,
and is it going to get better than what it is?
I don't know. Is Liam Cohen gonna unlock Trevor Lawrence
the way that people thought when he was coming out
of Clemson. I don't know, but you look at some
of these other guys, either journeymen, or they've had to
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have kind of a second life, or they've had contracts
about playing Call of Duty, or you know, all of
these other things. Doesn't seem like much of this number
one pick stuff has worked out for a lot of
these guys. Not that that has always I mean, that's
kind of always been the case historically, It's been a
bit of a crap shoot. But I just I'm fascinated
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by Caleb Williams and how people seem to be incredibly
negative on him before the start of year two, And
I just look at him and Trevor Lawrence and say,
we might be looking at the same career here between
these two guys. Considering how bad Year one was from
a coaching standpoint for Trevor when he came into the league,
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and what I think was an all time blunder by
the Chicago Bears a season ago to let Caleb flounder
under a defensive minded head coach that didn't have what
it took to stay in that job.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
Yeah, I think what's interesting is if you go back
to the year two is the new year five. It
depends on what you're specifically talking about, at least in
my mind, because that could be absolutely the truth for expectations.
You know, certainly for Caleb Williams, you look at what
they've surrounded him with. You've got a better interior offensive line,
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they bring in three new dudes, you have a brand
new head coach, offensive minded head coach, and Caleb Williams
hays weapons all around to throw to. If you look
at a supporting cast, there are no excuses. It's freaking
go time right now. So yeah, Like, in terms of expectations,
I buy that when he's surrounded by top ten picks.
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Roumadoon Say is a top ten pick, Colston Loveland is
a top ten pick, and then you've got DJ Moore
who's pretty good, and you've got Luther Burden who's a
second rounder. Cole Kamed is still there the other tight end,
he's a second rounder. You've got plenty of talent to
be good. So in terms of expectations, I do buy
that where year two is more like the new year
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five in terms of production, I think that's a different
argument because even though the expectations might be like year
five esque. I don't know that the production necessarily will be.
And if you look at a couple of quarterbacks that
stand out, even if year two is lagging in terms
of great production, it doesn't mean it's over, you know
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what I mean. Like Baker Mayfield is a good example
of that. Baker Mayfield has brought his career back to
life the last two years in Tampa. Sam Darnold, you
look at his year one, two, three, four number they're hideous.
And last year with Minnesota he revived his career. Also
thirty touchdown passes. He had a big year statistically until
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the final two games. But the point is, yeah, I
buy the expectations year two is the new year five.
I wouldn't buy that the production like year two is
the new year five because I think even if you're
faltering early in your career, if you guys have proven
that you can rejuvenate your career well down the line.
Gino Smith is another guy. He didn't start for six
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years and now he's a starter. So it can be done.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Yeah, No, I mean, it definitely can be done. The
one thing about the Caleb William experience that I find
interesting from the outside looking in, is this, what if
Ben Johnson's not good?
Speaker 4 (11:08):
Hmm, yeah, I mean possible.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
It seems like everybody has just pinned in, like sharp
eed in that he's going to be great. There's been
a lot of offensive coordinators that have been red hot
names that haven't been great when they've gotten to the
head coach role. Some of them are just excellent coordinators
and they find their way back into those roles and
find success again. But they're not meant to be head coaches.
I'm not suggesting Ben Johnson has given off vibes of
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somebody that's not going to be good. But what if
he's not as good as people think he is going
to be? Then what who's going to take the blame here?
Because I tend to think it's going to be the
quarterback first and not the coach.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
No, that's a great point. And you know what it
makes me think of, too, is it's certainly possible that
Ben Johnson is a great offensive coordinator and he's a
mediocre at best head coach. That's possible. The funny thing
is we always do this where it's like, hey man,
Caleb Williams, he needs an offensive minded head coach, and
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it's like that maybe. I mean, it's not set in
stone that he's going to have success just because he
has an offensive minded head coach. If you look at
last year, look at Jaden Daniels, he's got dan Quinn.
Dan Quinn's a defensive minded head coach. Russell Wilson had
a ton of success in Seattle with Pete Carroll, defensive
minded head coach. Look at Brady like they had Belichick, right,
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the defensive minded head coach. That's their background. So this
idea that, oh, you got a young quarterback, you gotta
have a bright, offensive minded head coach, not necessarily. And
so there are defensive minded head coaches that have success.
And just because you have an offensive guy at head
coach doesn't mean oh, poof, here we go instant success.
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It's not a given that it works out that way.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
No. I mean, Mike Vrabel's another example, and you could
potentially see what that's going to look like in New England.
I think they're going to take steps in the right direction.
The one advantage for Ben Johnson though, is Dennis Allen. Yeah,
because Ben Johnson, I would think it's going to be
very hands off from a defensive standpoint, right, if he
focuses on his side of the ball. Dennis Allen has
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not proven that he can't be a great defensive coordinator.
He's just proven don't give that guy the keys to
the entire football team. Of course he I mean, he
literally just was the head coach of the most boring
football team I've ever watched in the National Football League.
Like I can't imagine that. And look, I think they
are completely boring this year too, but at least Kellen Moore.
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I want to see what Kellen Moore can do from
an offensive from the from just kind of changing the
way everything is done there with a new quarterback and
whatever they're going to be. But they don't have like
the skill talent to your point that the Bears do.
They don't. They don't have a lot of that. They
don't have a lot of those flashy guys. So what
exactly that's gonna look like, I don't know, but I
think that's another example, right, Like Kellen Moore ran an
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incredibly fun to watch all that was prolific and up
and down the field and was almost impossible to stop.
And now he's gonna go there and I don't think
anybody is acting like Kellen Moore is a shoe in.
They're not even thinking about Kellen Moore because you're looking
at everything around him. I just feel like the way
to the world appears to be more on Caleb's shoulders
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than it does this head coach who's never been a
head coach before. There's a possibility that either one of
those two guys could falter.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
Yeah, now you're right. It's funny because they they both
could be great for each other, they both could be
horrible for each other. You know, maybe Ben Johnson he
doesn't have this head coaching thing figured out quite yet
in year one, that's certainly possible. And maybe Caleb williamsz
doesn't have this quarterback thing quite figured out in year
two that's also possible. But as bright as Ben Johnson is,
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maybe he can put Caleb Williams in some better positions,
better offensive line, Caleb's not getting sacked sixty eight times.
I could see it going both ways. The Bears. I
could see them taking a significant step forward led by
Caleb Williams. I could see Caleb remaining similar to year one,
and they're taking no major step forward at all. I
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think both are completely reasonable to happen this season.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
We're going to talk more quarterbacks on the other side,
including the rookie class. Not as exciting as it was
a year ago, but how are we feeling about these
guys entering the season as well as quarterbacks that maybe
we're not as high on or feel like this is
sort of the proven year for these guys relative to
where they are in their career. We'll do that here
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in for the guys this morning, Brian, the Kingdom is coming.
This documentary about the Chief's quest for a three p
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ESPN's would be running it on their streaming service. I
think it's six episodes long. Do you think it's just
going to add to Chiefs fatigue?
Speaker 3 (17:35):
I do?
Speaker 4 (17:36):
I like I love the behind the scenes looks and
all that. Maybe people would love, you know, if it's
a six part series and the Super Bowl is the sixth,
you know, and you get all the behind the scenes footage,
you get halftime like, what's happening right now? We're down
twenty four nothing, We've gained no yards. They would eat
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that up. But that's about it.
Speaker 5 (18:00):
Man.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
It's unfortunate. But the Chiefs fatigue is real to the
point where you know how stupid it gets Jay mart
where they're like, oh, it's fixed the league just once
the Chiefs then YadA, YadA, YadA. So yeah, people are
tuned out, man, they've had their fill.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Yeah, and of course you got you've got Taylor Swift
announcing a new album on Travis Kelcey and Jason Kelsey's podcast,
so you also can't escape the Chiefs on that side either.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Wow, changed the entire world when it came out. You
had a bunch of bunch of professional sports organizations reacting
to it in a way that I don't know. I'm
just old to this point. So I just kind of
look at it and roll my eyes at the entirety
of it. I get it. It's it's a big deal.
The podcast is a big deal. Not really into the
Kelsey Experience podcast. Never listened to it before. It's just
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not really my bag.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
Some of the cuts that came out where Taylor Swift,
you can see through bs J Martin, right, you can
tell if something staged, if something's fake, if they're just
really good acting their way through it. I completely believe this.
Like Taylor Swift, she's got the swifties. She's like the
swifty version of an NFL fan, you know what I mean.
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Like she's a legit fan. This is partly what she
had to say during the New Heights podcast.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
For you diving into the football world.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
I fell in love with it.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
I became obsessed with it.
Speaker 5 (19:32):
I became like a person who was running through the
halls of my house screaming.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
We drafted it Xavier or Worthy and I wasn't like,
what is who?
Speaker 4 (19:43):
Body snatched you?
Speaker 2 (19:44):
This is? This is it? What do you mean? Come on?
Speaker 4 (19:47):
That's love right there? Jay Marty, You kidding me? You're
willing to dive headfirst into the waters of ball over.
I love that. That is fantastic. I have new respect
for Taylor Swift doing that. Yeah, I yeah, faking it
every years she's real in the press box and all
that stuff.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
And well, I don't know. I don't know if every
moment since day one has been but like I do,
I can understand, like that clip right there, for instance,
that sounds genuine. Although like your PR person comes to
the ear like, all right, give me a player that
would not make sense for me to talk about and
they say, save you're worthy. He was drafted X y
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Z out of Texas. You mention him and just talk
about how excited you were when they drafted him. But
do the tailor thing where you really do it up.
But I don't think that's what this was. Like I
could because I could actually see this in my head.
That's how that would play out, that it would seem preposterous.
And I think that's why it's believable. Is it seems
ridiculous that I would do something like this and no
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one around me understands it. But and this is the
other thing. There's a reason why we talk about football
as often as we do on Fox Sports Radio and
in every barbershop and every bar and everywhere else in
a con it's because it's fun and exciting and there's
so many different things to talk about. My wife's not
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a giant sports fan, but she's become a lot bigger
football fan in the last five six years since we
got married. It's just something that happens. I think not
everybody I get that, but it's easier to kind of
sink your teeth into into football, like you have time,
and if you're, you know, around Travis Kelcey all the time,
I imagine he makes that a pretty fun environment.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
Yeah, I would think so too. And yeah, listen, man,
there's some stuff that's for the cameras. I'm just talking
in general. I'm not talking about Travis kelce and Taylor Swift.
I really do buy it, because that's the thing. Man,
you can't fake your way through it. If you can't
just fake your way in the press box as many
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times as she's there, fake excitement at some point, if
you weren't excited whatsoever, you would be able to tell
It's like, man, she just doesn't want to be there.
And I've never felt that way, and I thought it
came across as much more genuine than anything staged or
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anything like that. I just think they dig each other,
and if you really dig your partner, you're going to
be open minded toward what they're most passionate about. And
Travis Kelsey is certainly passionate about football, she's passionate about music.
He was supporting her, he went on tour a little bit,
did his whole thing, got on stage once. So I
just think that sometimes we look at famous relationships as
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if they're different than you know, Joe Blow and Jane Blow,
and it's the same dynamics. It's just it's a different
tax bracket and different world that they have access to,
but the dynamics of a relationship are the exact same.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Yeah, that's true. I mean I think there is there are,
like the partnerships of convenience and partnership of promotion and
things of that nature that we know do exist as well,
but it is good to recognize that it's not always that.
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And the reason why I buy Taylor Swift in the
same way you do in this case is because she's
not a particularly compelling actress and it's very easy to
spot when she's faking it. Like I've seen this throughout
her career, especially, she's gotten more and more famous. Like
you can see when she's just doing a thing to
do a thing, like it's very very obvious, and that's
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not kind of the impression here. I also think she
could have gotten away with not being at half the
games she's been at Ian Taylor Swift, she's got this
going on, she has disappearance. She's not gonna be able
to make it this time, but she's been there for
I don't know how many probably over seventy five percent.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
It's been a lot.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Yeah, I'm a lot more than I would have expected
if this and especially if this were just some kind
of arranged thing. I just at this, I don't know
that it's benefiting. Like Travis has already become Travis, and
then you've got Taylor being Taylor. I don't know that
they need each other anymore from that standpoint, right, So
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this still being real actually gives me hope that it
is indeed real and there's gonna be good for both
of them, and I'm happy about that.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
Yeah, No, I hear you, man. I think that they've
got a shot. They've got a shot to you know,
be a real couple. I don't know if they're thinking
about getting married or anything like that. That's the one
thing I wonder about, Like, look, man, you know how
it goes j mart. These females they have like gristwatches
that are ticking very very loudly, and it's.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Just like.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
Three years away. Hulloaen No. But I'm saying most relationships,
they want to know where is this heading? Where is
it ending up?
Speaker 2 (24:54):
You know?
Speaker 4 (24:54):
And that's what I wonder with Taylor Swift. She has
the entire world in her hand, and if she wants
marriage to be a thing, I would imagine that she's
either hinting strongly or you know, I don't know how
she's handling it, but that's the one thing with She
has access to everything. But if she wants to have
a husband, she doesn't have one yet, So I wonder
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how that's going, how that's playing out, you know.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Well, the only thing I would say is her entire
brand has been built around things ending, not things continuing,
Like most of that's that's the thing. Like her whole
like album after album are about how this guy has
wronged her or how she's moved on from this and
all this, and and even the people that she surrounded
herself with and sort of some of those storylines have
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always been centered there, so this would be a complete
break from that. And if she did indeed do that,
I would actually like to see her her music start
to reflect it a little bit differently, because even though
I didn't get deep into the world of the whatever
Tortured Poets Society or whatever it was called a year ago,
pretty sure that was not a love letter kind of album.
(26:04):
Pretty sure it was the exact opposite as a matter
of fact, Like, maybe it's time to grow up with
actually what you're saying in your music as well, because
the brand doesn't fit this version of Taylor Swift that
you're getting on a podcast which with Travis Kelce, like
it doesn't like stop playing the character then and grow
up and be a woman at this point.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
Yeah, it's interesting I think that. Look, man, you could
say that in a lot of forms of music where
whatever it's the dark metal band and all of a sudden,
you know, like two of the members find love, they
have a daughter, you know, they get off drugs, like well,
any number of things, and it can greatly affect their
music and their whole approach to it. The vibe is different. Like,
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so as you mature, as you grow older, things can
change a lot in your music. But I think Taylor
Swift's talented enough even if her life changed dramatically, I
don't think that her music necessarily is destined to fall off.
The material might be a whole lot different, the vibe
could be a whole lot different, but I think she
could still be successful. She has so many freaking fans, man,
(27:12):
I don't think they'd be like, what the hell love
things are working out? This isn't the Taylor I know.
I think it would be fine.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Well, I mean, so many women, so many girls seem
to look up to her. Now that I've got two daughters,
I'm just like, man, I wish she was making music
that I would feel good about my daughters listening to
when it came to the messages that we're coming from.
And look, this is not a critique of I mean,
she's obviously been successful doing what she's doing. But I
do look at that and it's just like, you know,
this could actually be a Taylor Swift. You could look
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up to the one that actually finds, you know, finds
a husband, and that becomes kind of the next stage
of her life. Because she's already done some of these
other things, but you know, she's still relatively young and
there's still a lot of her career left. And I
wasn't expecting to do the Taylor Swift. I was literally
just gonna mention that Chief's documentary and then get into
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what we teased about some of the quarterbacks, and then
we ended up doing Taylor Swift for ten minutes.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
So there, he's that massive Jay Mark. That's the way
it works with t Swift.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
She takes over, So cam Ward says shifting gears. Cam Ward,
the number one pick of the Tennessee Titans, right here
in Nashville where I do the show from it, says
that he believes that the Titans can be a top
ten offense this season. I know that there's been a
lot of talk that he's had excellent chemistry with Calvin Ridley,
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and this is year two. He's got he's got an
offensive line coach and Bill Callahan that certainly knows what
he's doing. I don't. I don't know if the head
coach is going to be a long term fix. Who knows,
But you know, I felt I felt the cam Ward
pick was I don't know what the ceiling is, but
I didn't think the floor was, you know, the core
of the earth. Basically, Like, I feel like he's probably
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going to be serviceable to pretty good at least just
because he had he had good fundamentals and things of
that nature. Now, all the talk has been about should
do or yes? But how are you feeling, Brian about
some of these other guys? When you look at Jackson Dart,
who's gonna get a little bit of time, You would
think that's why you bring in a Russell Wilson to
kind of give you give him a little bit of time.
(29:14):
But you look at all these guys that were drafted,
even though it doesn't have the same name recognition and
the same pizazz that a year ago did with Caleb
and Jayden Daniels and Boenix and Michael Pennix and all
those guys. How are you feeling about this rookie this
rookie crop and who are you who are you buying
into right now?
Speaker 4 (29:34):
I think I think Jackson Dart could have some success
in the NFL. I think it's possible. I think it's
gonna take some time for him to get on the field.
I don't know. We were talking about this, how many
if you take the if it was two and a
half starts this season, would you bet the over or
under with Jackson Dart? I would bet the over. I
(29:54):
think that he's gonna be over there. But I think
they're gonna start Russell Wilson at least the first core
of the season, maybe the first half of the season,
and then they give Jackson Dart some more reps right there.
The thing with cam Ward, it's amazing to me.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
This is a.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
Number one overall pick. Yeah, and nationally speaking, it's as
close to a non story as you can get. I
don't think we've ever had this in NFL history, j Mart,
where the number one overall quarterback who's the number one
overall pick is basically a non story. And a guy
(30:31):
like Shadur who's much more talented than a fifth round pick,
but he's still a fifth rounder and he's buried on
the depth chart right now, and Shaduur is a way
bigger story than cam Ward. I don't think you could
point to any year in NFL history where that's been
the case.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Yeah. So I'm looking back now, all the way back
to nineteen ninety quarterbacks drapped at number one. Overall, you
had Jeff George Drew Bloodshoe, and then you had kind
of a up off there for a few years, and
you got Peyton Manning in ninety eight, Tim Couch in
ninety nine, then Michael Vick, David Carr, Carson Palmer, Eli,
(31:10):
Alex Smith, JaMarcus Russell, Matthew Stafford, Sam Bradford, cam Andrew
Luck and then the group that we talked about in
a earlier this hour was starting with Jamison coming up
through cam Ward. I think there is one thing about
the cam Ward thing is he's just not done or
said anything that is going to create news. I mean,
(31:31):
I think he's just all the talk around Nashville that
I know of, though I don't consume like local media
is just most people are pretty high on it. You
think he's probably going to be pretty good, but he's
not doing anything to stand out yet. But he's also
not creating controversy in any way. Like that's where Shadoor
comes in. Is Shadour his box office because of his dad,
(31:53):
because of what happened in the pre draft process and
all those things. Everything is under this gigantic microscope. And
of course Tennessee is just not a team that most
people care about, and even like Bryce Young. A couple
of years ago, Bryce Young was coming off the Heisman Trophy,
he was coming from Alabama, and then he wasn't good,
(32:14):
and so that became the story. If Bryce Young had
been pretty good, I still don't know how much we
would have heard, because Caroline is another one of those
teams that just kind of exists and you, oh, yeah,
they're still a football team. But like cam Ward, Kim
Ward's been pretty good, and you've heard in practice he's
been decent. He's had a couple bad days, a couple
of good days, but nothing particularly interesting enough that's going
(32:36):
to take the national attention. I don't know that it's
a knock on Ward as much as it is. He's
been solid enough to not stand out like he's the
official that you don't know his name because he hasn't
made a bad call.
Speaker 4 (32:49):
Yeah, that's not a knock on cam Ward. Really. If
I'm the Tennessee Titans, I'm not like, hey, cam can
you just say something outlandish so we can get a
few more headlines, a few more segments on sports radio.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (33:03):
It doesn't matter. So I like if I'm the Titans.
I'm totally fine with not being the hot story or
I like cam Ward's approach. It's not a knock on him.
He's just he's not a big talking point right now.
I think, listen, that's way aggressive talking about the Titans
being a top ten offense scoring offense. They were twenty
(33:24):
seventh last season. They averaged a tick over eighteen points
a game, So to go from that to a top
ten offense. I don't like saying no chance, they have
zero chance.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Yeah, but that's the quarterback. He's not gonna say, well,
I hope we're top twenty five in offense. Like yes,
I think he's got to sound confident. Even though I
agree with you, I think it's a it's definitely thinking
for this guys. When we come back, we'll talk about
guys that are improve at years at the quarterback position.
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Speaker 2 (34:25):
Welcome back, two Pros and a couple of Joe. Little
talking Heads, bring this back. Be you a big Talking
Heads fan?
Speaker 4 (34:31):
Can't say big, but I don't mind them.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
I like them, you do. I've always been a big
fan of theirs. There you go. The only thing about
them is every song is about food.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
This one's about food.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
Go about you like, Look it's about food or buildings.
It's like food or structures. Okay, it's kind of strange. Huh,
they're topics. But I've always liked David Byrne's music. I've
enjoyed talking heads for a long time. And hey, that's
what we are. We are taught heads, disembodied voices. When
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it comes to the radio industry, guys that do more
than talk, well, those are the players that we watch
and we talk about. We're gonna talk about some quarterbacks
here in just a minute. That maybe it's proven time
for a few of these guys. We're gonna give you
a list of some of the guys we're thinking this
might be the year to make or break what they're
(35:23):
gonna be in the future. But a guy that we
it probably has a little bit more time than that
is a rookie. Let's get to this week's Express pros
Pro of the Week. Shut or playfake looking end zone,
lofting back corner of the end zone and it is
put touchdown Cayden Davis.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
And Sudor Sanders has his first career NFL touchdown.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
That was your Express Pros Pro the Week courtesy seven
hundred WLW. That's the Browns Radio Network. Cayden Davis, that
was Sudor Sanders first. I don't know if I can
call it a first NFL touchdown, right, Yeah, dude did
a seventy yard field goal, right.
Speaker 4 (36:05):
I was thinking the same thing. We can't count that, so, yeah, that.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Was I said that. I said that to Aaron Torres
last week. Bryan, I'm glad you're on the same wave
with the me. If I can't count the seventy yard
field goal, then I can't say that's his first NFL
touchdown either, because it means that all these things don't matter,
like he has to do this in the regular season
for that to be a touchdown. So you're with me
on that.
Speaker 4 (36:26):
I'm with you on it's sort of like what do
we have the NBA Cup, you know, like one like
the championship game. It happens like those shots went in,
those shots didn't go in, but none of the stats count.
So it's kind of what I saw the two touchdown passes.
It happened, what should do her, But statistically it's as
if it never did happen because.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
It's preth I saw, like Jackson Dart first NFL touchdown?
No man, no. Also, if I'm Jackson Dart, I don't
want that to be my first NFL touchdown like this
is this is yeah, we we can't count this. Yes
it occurred, and we saw it with our eyes. But
if we're not gonna if we're gonna say that's the
first touchdown, then we also have a new record holder
for longest field goal, and I don't think anybody is
going there. I also real quickly, well let me do
(37:09):
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Go to expresspros dot com. Okay, so if you hit
a seventy yard field goal in preseason, you got to
(37:30):
give that guy a chance in the regular season to
do that, right.
Speaker 4 (37:33):
Yeah, absolutely, especially if it's before the half. Why wouldn't right, right, Like,
instead of trying this, you know, hail Mary, unless you
can sling at seventy five yards, Yeah, try them out there,
try a seventy yard or for sure, especially.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
If you're in the right stadium, like if you happen
to be against my Broncos, oh yeah, and Denver, you
definitely do it. But if he can hit a seventy, like,
I've got to give him the opportunity to do it
when everybody will agree it can.
Speaker 4 (38:00):
Yeah, absolutely, you're in Detroit, you're in a dome or
what have you like, Yeah, he was in Jacksonville. That's
the other part that blows right my mind. It wasn't
this controlled indoor environment or if you said, what's your
best chance to hit a seventy yard er? No one
is like, oh Jacksonville, Absolutely, it's Denver. What you mentioned
(38:20):
I could name five ten other stadiums before I got
to Jacksonville and he still made it.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
Would that mean if he hits a seventy yard field, Goald,
does that become the most famous thing that's ever happened
in the Jaguars franchise? Oh?
Speaker 4 (38:35):
Man, I maybe it's I flashed back to Natron means,
you know, like I want to dis Fred Taylor, but
Leonard Fournette beating the Steelers on the road, you know,
But I mean that's one of them that's on the
short list. That's a sad thing, man, when that's.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
Like the most the most the most noteworthy thing for
the Jacksonville Jaguars to me, like historically has been when
they almost made the Super Bowl that year, Like oh
with Mark Brunell. Oh Brunell, Yeah that year too, as
a matter of fact. So like there's a couple there.
But like the things you most remember about the Jags
is like Urban Meyer and some of those things. It's
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not as much the other stuff. Their history is not
particularly deep, I guess that's what I'm saying. So there's
a lot of room to create history.
Speaker 4 (39:27):
I would say, yeah, And that's the thing, man, I'd
have to go back and get the exact stat, but
there is an just a gross stat in terms of
Jacksonville picking in the top ten, like I don't know,
fifteen of the last eighteen years. There's something insane like
that where it's like, wow, man, they've picked that high
(39:47):
that often it's like, yeah, they've been that bad for
that long. It's been a long haul of suckiness for Jacksonville.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
So so quickly anybody more than Trevor Lawrence in approve
it year in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (40:01):
This year, man, he's up there. I think Caleb Williams,
just in terms of the eyeballs, the talent around him,
the backlash if he doesn't prove it, you know, he'd
be on the shortlist.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
Also, Yeah, there's definitely some guys we can get as
deep into that as possible. We're gonna turn it back
over to b No and he will drive the ship
for the third hour of the show. I got no
idea where he's going. That always makes it fun. We'll
be right back
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We're gonna do quite a list here to open up
hour number two, some names you might recognize, and a
talking point about what that actually means. We'll get to
it in just a minute. It is indeed, Two Pros
and a Cup of Joe. They're out today. Brian Knows
with me. I'm Jason Martin, our number two of the program.
Glad to have you with us. All right, be a
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lot of football on this show, because well football is coming,
which means we have something to talk about. We have
a lot to talk about. As a matter of fact,
I don't know how your summer has gone. I don't
know how what sports have had your attention. Have been
watching baseball? What have you been watching this summer? Anything
new compel you? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (01:13):
I watch a little baseball. I watch WNBA all the
freaking time. J Mark all the time.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
I love to man, I watch it. Get I didn't
know you're into it too, that's great, dvring it left,
right and center.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
Yeah, man, I was watching last night. But I was
watching let me think a bunch of games. I was
watching the Sky and the Sun. I was watching the Storm.
I thought the Storm it was the right side. I
hit up Jeff Schwartz, you know, we do a show
on Sundays, and I was like, it's a little risky.
You know, Storm have lost five in a row. The
(01:50):
the Dream have won five in a row. But I
laid out my reasoning and it was dead wrong. But yeah,
I've liked it a lot.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
You know.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
We saw the Aces meet the Liberty, a pretty good
game one by six. I'm all over it, man, I'm
watching games left and right.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Wait a second, I got I gotta ask now. But
we being sarcastic here, No, We're we talking legit here.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
I watch it all the time, all the time.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
I'm okay, all right. I was being sarcastic about it.
Just said I've put that out and put that out.
I love that.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
It got to a point where you're like, wait a minute,
he I think he's serious right now?
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Yeah, Like I was like, wait, he's selling this awfully
effectively right now.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
No, I do I watch I've got the oh man,
the league pass on YouTube is the worst freaking thing
I've ever bought in my life. I don't know what
it is, bought WNBA League Pass I have. Yeah, it's
only like thirteen bucks a month or something like that.
But if I'm on my phone or my tablet, almost
every time they go to commercial. Think how many times
a basketball game goes to commercial it crashes. It was
(02:54):
just crash, and then I try to put it back
on and it'll crash and you got to exit. It's
a night mayor.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Dude.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
It's terrible. I don't know why. I don't know why.
It's that it's YouTube, right, Like, everything I've had on
YouTube is good. Not the WNBA package. It is awful. Man,
It's bad. It crashes constantly.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Wow. I still am like trying to make sure you're
not being sarcastic, but you you've now sold it to
a point where I think it's legit.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
No, it is absolutely I watch games all the time.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Wow, did you expect that coming into this year?
Speaker 4 (03:27):
No, it really it's because of Caitlin. That's when I
started watching the WNBA. And then you know, I for countdown,
like we'll make picks, you know, I'll bet on the WNBA.
So I've just paid attention this whole time, basically because
like the last year and a half. Other than that,
I've probably watched five minutes of the WNBA before the
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last year and a half. But now I watch it
all the time.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Wow. Well I mean good, I mean I guess good.
It's given you something to care about. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
Yeah. Other than you know, I'll watch baseball here and there,
but I'm really counting down toward football. Make no mistake,
you know, once ball is here, different story.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
This has been the summer or the year of f
one for me.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
Oh really, okay, I've gotten into that.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
One big time. I just like made a decision at
the beginning of the year. I was like, I'm just
gonna try to get into this. It's something different because
you don't talk about it on you don't talk about
it as part of your job like a lot of
this stuff. Everything you see is kind of get eight
thirteen really solid minutes out of X, Y and Z, right,
not to escape it is for a lot of other
people though, Man, you get to watch sports all the times,
(04:31):
like right, but there's it's not quite the same for
us as it is for others. But with F one,
I know I'm not really going to be talking about it,
so I've kind of been able to approach it just
like a fan, like I'm learning the sport, I'm learning
the drivers, I'm learning the history. I've gotten deep into it,
like it's become kind of my thing, and it's it's
carried me through summer, even though they're in a midsummer break.
(04:52):
But I've absolutely loved it. It's gotten me. It's going
to be going on during football, but I've already bought
you know, F one TV premium for the year and
everything else. So it's just you know, interesting, you're watching WNBA,
I'm watching F one.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
That's cool, man. And you know you don't turn the
sports radio host brain off completely. I know you're the same.
That's just how you're wired. So I guarantee you're watching
F one and you're putting together these opinions and these
thoughts as if whatever that's gonna lead the second hour
of your upcoming show, and then it dawns on you
like wait a minute, I'm not gonna talk about it
(05:28):
at all, and then you can just sit there and
watch it and enjoy it. Sure, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
That's right. I've got another friend who has worked with
me in the sports talk since day one, and guess what,
he's also a huge f one foot and so we
talk about it together just amongst each other. It's like,
we're never gonna do anything with this. We can just
be a fan of something again. It's kind of cool.
It's still sports. It's still sports, but we know it's
not gonna be that thing. Speaking of leading the second hour,
(05:54):
I'm gonna give you a list of guys real quick,
and I'm gonna see I bet you can figure this
out because you're a pretty bright guy. And as to
why I'm or what these guys have in common with
one another? Okay, Jameis Winston, Jared Goff, Baker Mayfield, Kyler Murray, Yep,
(06:15):
Joe Burrow, Trevor Lawrence, Bryce Young, Caleb Williams, and Cam Ward.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
They're all number one overall picks.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Yep since twenty fifteen outside of Burrow and then I
guess I would say probably Jared Goff. How many of
those names have become true number one pick material. You
might look at Baker and feel okay about it, But
the reason I'm talking about is because of Caleb, Because
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Kyle Brandt of the NFL Network, I guess that's now
he es me. I don't know at this point in time.
Maybe we'll talk about that before the end of the hour,
because I definitely have takes.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
But he's on NFL network Red zone I think.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Is yeah, whatever, don't touch red zone polices, Please don't
ruin it. He said that year two for a quarterback
is now the new year five, and there's a lot
of truth to that, right like the by the time
you get to year two, the expectations are year five
or it's like cutbait with this guy and let's go
(07:19):
get somebody else. And we've seen that. But you look
at you know, Bryce Young going into year three and
Trevor Lawrence is what he is at this point in time,
and is it going to get better than what it is?
I don't know. Is Liam Cohen gonna unlock Trevor Lawrence
the way that people thought when he was coming out
of Clemson. I don't know, but you look at some
of these other guys, either journeymen, or they've had to
(07:42):
have kind of a second life, or they've had contracts
about playing Call of Duty, or you know, all of
these other things. Doesn't seem like much of this number
one pick stuff has worked out for a lot of
these guys. Not that that has always I mean, that's
kind of always been the case historically, It's been a
bit of a crap shoot. But I just I'm fascinated
(08:03):
by Caleb Williams and how people seem to be incredibly
negative on him before the start of year two, And
I just look at him and Trevor Lawrence and say,
we might be looking at the same career here between
these two guys. Considering how bad Year one was from
a coaching standpoint for Trevor when he came into the league,
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and what I think was an all time blunder by
the Chicago Bears a season ago to let Caleb flounder
under a defensive minded head coach that didn't have what
it took to stay in that job.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
Yeah, I think what's interesting is if you go back
to the year two is the new year five. It
depends on what you're specifically talking about, at least in
my mind, because that could be absolutely the truth for expectations.
You know, certainly for Caleb Williams, you look at what
they've surrounded him with. You've got a better interior offensive line,
(09:02):
they bring in three new dudes, you have a brand
new head coach, offensive minded head coach, and Caleb Williams
hays weapons all around to throw to. If you look
at a supporting cast, there are no excuses. It's freaking
go time right now. So yeah, Like, in terms of expectations,
I buy that when he's surrounded by top ten picks.
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Roumadoon Say is a top ten pick, Colston Loveland is
a top ten pick, and then you've got DJ Moore
who's pretty good, and you've got Luther Burden who's a
second rounder. Cole Kamed is still there the other tight end,
he's a second rounder. You've got plenty of talent to
be good. So in terms of expectations, I do buy
that where year two is more like the new year
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five in terms of production, I think that's a different
argument because even though the expectations might be like year
five esque. I don't know that the production necessarily will be.
And if you look at a couple of quarterbacks that
stand out, even if year two is lagging in terms
of great production, it doesn't mean it's over, you know
(10:07):
what I mean. Like Baker Mayfield is a good example
of that. Baker Mayfield has brought his career back to
life the last two years in Tampa. Sam Darnold, you
look at his year one, two, three, four number they're hideous.
And last year with Minnesota he revived his career. Also
thirty touchdown passes. He had a big year statistically until
(10:28):
the final two games. But the point is, yeah, I
buy the expectations year two is the new year five.
I wouldn't buy that the production like year two is
the new year five because I think even if you're
faltering early in your career, if you guys have proven
that you can rejuvenate your career well down the line.
Gino Smith is another guy. He didn't start for six
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years and now he's a starter. So it can be done.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Yeah, No, I mean, it definitely can be done. The
one thing about the Caleb William experience that I find
interesting from the outside looking in, is this, what if
Ben Johnson's not good?
Speaker 4 (11:08):
Hmm, yeah, I mean possible.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
It seems like everybody has just pinned in, like sharp
eed in that he's going to be great. There's been
a lot of offensive coordinators that have been red hot
names that haven't been great when they've gotten to the
head coach role. Some of them are just excellent coordinators
and they find their way back into those roles and
find success again. But they're not meant to be head coaches.
I'm not suggesting Ben Johnson has given off vibes of
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somebody that's not going to be good. But what if
he's not as good as people think he is going
to be? Then what who's going to take the blame here?
Because I tend to think it's going to be the
quarterback first and not the coach.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
No, that's a great point. And you know what it
makes me think of, too, is it's certainly possible that
Ben Johnson is a great offensive coordinator and he's a
mediocre at best head coach. That's possible. The funny thing
is we always do this where it's like, hey man,
Caleb Williams, he needs an offensive minded head coach, and
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it's like that maybe. I mean, it's not set in
stone that he's going to have success just because he
has an offensive minded head coach. If you look at
last year, look at Jaden Daniels, he's got dan Quinn.
Dan Quinn's a defensive minded head coach. Russell Wilson had
a ton of success in Seattle with Pete Carroll, defensive
minded head coach. Look at Brady like they had Belichick, right,
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the defensive minded head coach. That's their background. So this
idea that, oh, you got a young quarterback, you gotta
have a bright, offensive minded head coach, not necessarily. And
so there are defensive minded head coaches that have success.
And just because you have an offensive guy at head
coach doesn't mean oh, poof, here we go instant success.
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It's not a given that it works out that way.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
No. I mean, Mike Vrabel's another example, and you could
potentially see what that's going to look like in New England.
I think they're going to take steps in the right direction.
The one advantage for Ben Johnson though, is Dennis Allen. Yeah,
because Ben Johnson, I would think it's going to be
very hands off from a defensive standpoint, right, if he
focuses on his side of the ball. Dennis Allen has
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not proven that he can't be a great defensive coordinator.
He's just proven don't give that guy the keys to
the entire football team. Of course he I mean, he
literally just was the head coach of the most boring
football team I've ever watched in the National Football League.
Like I can't imagine that. And look, I think they
are completely boring this year too, but at least Kellen Moore.
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I want to see what Kellen Moore can do from
an offensive from the from just kind of changing the
way everything is done there with a new quarterback and
whatever they're going to be. But they don't have like
the skill talent to your point that the Bears do.
They don't. They don't have a lot of that. They
don't have a lot of those flashy guys. So what
exactly that's gonna look like, I don't know, but I
think that's another example, right, Like Kellen Moore ran an
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incredibly fun to watch all that was prolific and up
and down the field and was almost impossible to stop.
And now he's gonna go there and I don't think
anybody is acting like Kellen Moore is a shoe in.
They're not even thinking about Kellen Moore because you're looking
at everything around him. I just feel like the way
to the world appears to be more on Caleb's shoulders
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than it does this head coach who's never been a
head coach before. There's a possibility that either one of
those two guys could falter.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
Yeah, now you're right. It's funny because they they both
could be great for each other, they both could be
horrible for each other. You know, maybe Ben Johnson he
doesn't have this head coaching thing figured out quite yet
in year one, that's certainly possible. And maybe Caleb williamsz
doesn't have this quarterback thing quite figured out in year
two that's also possible. But as bright as Ben Johnson is,
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maybe he can put Caleb Williams in some better positions,
better offensive line, Caleb's not getting sacked sixty eight times.
I could see it going both ways. The Bears. I
could see them taking a significant step forward led by
Caleb Williams. I could see Caleb remaining similar to year one,
and they're taking no major step forward at all. I
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think both are completely reasonable to happen this season.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
We're going to talk more quarterbacks on the other side,
including the rookie class. Not as exciting as it was
a year ago, but how are we feeling about these
guys entering the season as well as quarterbacks that maybe
we're not as high on or feel like this is
sort of the proven year for these guys relative to
where they are in their career. We'll do that here
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in for the guys this morning, Brian, the Kingdom is coming.
This documentary about the Chief's quest for a three p
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ESPN's would be running it on their streaming service. I
think it's six episodes long. Do you think it's just
going to add to Chiefs fatigue?
Speaker 3 (17:35):
I do?
Speaker 4 (17:36):
I like I love the behind the scenes looks and
all that. Maybe people would love, you know, if it's
a six part series and the Super Bowl is the sixth,
you know, and you get all the behind the scenes footage,
you get halftime like, what's happening right now? We're down
twenty four nothing, We've gained no yards. They would eat
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that up. But that's about it.
Speaker 5 (18:00):
Man.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
It's unfortunate. But the Chiefs fatigue is real to the
point where you know how stupid it gets Jay mart
where they're like, oh, it's fixed the league just once
the Chiefs then YadA, YadA, YadA. So yeah, people are
tuned out, man, they've had their fill.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Yeah, and of course you got you've got Taylor Swift
announcing a new album on Travis Kelcey and Jason Kelsey's podcast,
so you also can't escape the Chiefs on that side either.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Wow, changed the entire world when it came out. You
had a bunch of bunch of professional sports organizations reacting
to it in a way that I don't know. I'm
just old to this point. So I just kind of
look at it and roll my eyes at the entirety
of it. I get it. It's it's a big deal.
The podcast is a big deal. Not really into the
Kelsey Experience podcast. Never listened to it before. It's just
(18:57):
not really my bag.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
Some of the cuts that came out where Taylor Swift,
you can see through bs J Martin, right, you can
tell if something staged, if something's fake, if they're just
really good acting their way through it. I completely believe this.
Like Taylor Swift, she's got the swifties. She's like the
swifty version of an NFL fan, you know what I mean.
(19:21):
Like she's a legit fan. This is partly what she
had to say during the New Heights podcast.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
For you diving into the football world.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
I fell in love with it.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
I became obsessed with it.
Speaker 5 (19:32):
I became like a person who was running through the
halls of my house screaming.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
We drafted it Xavier or Worthy and I wasn't like,
what is who?
Speaker 4 (19:43):
Body snatched you?
Speaker 2 (19:44):
This is? This is it? What do you mean? Come on?
Speaker 4 (19:47):
That's love right there? Jay Marty, You kidding me? You're
willing to dive headfirst into the waters of ball over.
I love that. That is fantastic. I have new respect
for Taylor Swift doing that. Yeah, I yeah, faking it
every years she's real in the press box and all
that stuff.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
And well, I don't know. I don't know if every
moment since day one has been but like I do,
I can understand, like that clip right there, for instance,
that sounds genuine. Although like your PR person comes to
the ear like, all right, give me a player that
would not make sense for me to talk about and
they say, save you're worthy. He was drafted X y
(20:26):
Z out of Texas. You mention him and just talk
about how excited you were when they drafted him. But
do the tailor thing where you really do it up.
But I don't think that's what this was. Like I
could because I could actually see this in my head.
That's how that would play out, that it would seem preposterous.
And I think that's why it's believable. Is it seems
ridiculous that I would do something like this and no
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one around me understands it. But and this is the
other thing. There's a reason why we talk about football
as often as we do on Fox Sports Radio and
in every barbershop and every bar and everywhere else in
a con it's because it's fun and exciting and there's
so many different things to talk about. My wife's not
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a giant sports fan, but she's become a lot bigger
football fan in the last five six years since we
got married. It's just something that happens. I think not
everybody I get that, but it's easier to kind of
sink your teeth into into football, like you have time,
and if you're, you know, around Travis Kelcey all the time,
I imagine he makes that a pretty fun environment.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
Yeah, I would think so too. And yeah, listen, man,
there's some stuff that's for the cameras. I'm just talking
in general. I'm not talking about Travis kelce and Taylor Swift.
I really do buy it, because that's the thing. Man,
you can't fake your way through it. If you can't
just fake your way in the press box as many
(21:51):
times as she's there, fake excitement at some point, if
you weren't excited whatsoever, you would be able to tell
It's like, man, she just doesn't want to be there.
And I've never felt that way, and I thought it
came across as much more genuine than anything staged or
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anything like that. I just think they dig each other,
and if you really dig your partner, you're going to
be open minded toward what they're most passionate about. And
Travis Kelsey is certainly passionate about football, she's passionate about music.
He was supporting her, he went on tour a little bit,
did his whole thing, got on stage once. So I
just think that sometimes we look at famous relationships as
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if they're different than you know, Joe Blow and Jane Blow,
and it's the same dynamics. It's just it's a different
tax bracket and different world that they have access to,
but the dynamics of a relationship are the exact same.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Yeah, that's true. I mean I think there is there are,
like the partnerships of convenience and partnership of promotion and
things of that nature that we know do exist as well,
but it is good to recognize that it's not always that.
(23:10):
And the reason why I buy Taylor Swift in the
same way you do in this case is because she's
not a particularly compelling actress and it's very easy to
spot when she's faking it. Like I've seen this throughout
her career, especially, she's gotten more and more famous. Like
you can see when she's just doing a thing to
do a thing, like it's very very obvious, and that's
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not kind of the impression here. I also think she
could have gotten away with not being at half the
games she's been at Ian Taylor Swift, she's got this
going on, she has disappearance. She's not gonna be able
to make it this time, but she's been there for
I don't know how many probably over seventy five percent.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
It's been a lot.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Yeah, I'm a lot more than I would have expected
if this and especially if this were just some kind
of arranged thing. I just at this, I don't know
that it's benefiting. Like Travis has already become Travis, and
then you've got Taylor being Taylor. I don't know that
they need each other anymore from that standpoint, right, So
(24:13):
this still being real actually gives me hope that it
is indeed real and there's gonna be good for both
of them, and I'm happy about that.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
Yeah, No, I hear you, man. I think that they've
got a shot. They've got a shot to you know,
be a real couple. I don't know if they're thinking
about getting married or anything like that. That's the one
thing I wonder about, Like, look, man, you know how
it goes j mart. These females they have like gristwatches
that are ticking very very loudly, and it's.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Just like.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
Three years away. Hulloaen No. But I'm saying most relationships,
they want to know where is this heading? Where is
it ending up?
Speaker 2 (24:54):
You know?
Speaker 4 (24:54):
And that's what I wonder with Taylor Swift. She has
the entire world in her hand, and if she wants
marriage to be a thing, I would imagine that she's
either hinting strongly or you know, I don't know how
she's handling it, but that's the one thing with She
has access to everything. But if she wants to have
a husband, she doesn't have one yet, So I wonder
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how that's going, how that's playing out, you know.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Well, the only thing I would say is her entire
brand has been built around things ending, not things continuing,
Like most of that's that's the thing. Like her whole
like album after album are about how this guy has
wronged her or how she's moved on from this and
all this, and and even the people that she surrounded
herself with and sort of some of those storylines have
(25:42):
always been centered there, so this would be a complete
break from that. And if she did indeed do that,
I would actually like to see her her music start
to reflect it a little bit differently, because even though
I didn't get deep into the world of the whatever
Tortured Poets Society or whatever it was called a year ago,
pretty sure that was not a love letter kind of album.
(26:04):
Pretty sure it was the exact opposite as a matter
of fact, Like, maybe it's time to grow up with
actually what you're saying in your music as well, because
the brand doesn't fit this version of Taylor Swift that
you're getting on a podcast which with Travis Kelce, like
it doesn't like stop playing the character then and grow
up and be a woman at this point.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
Yeah, it's interesting I think that. Look, man, you could
say that in a lot of forms of music where
whatever it's the dark metal band and all of a sudden,
you know, like two of the members find love, they
have a daughter, you know, they get off drugs, like well,
any number of things, and it can greatly affect their
music and their whole approach to it. The vibe is different. Like,
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so as you mature, as you grow older, things can
change a lot in your music. But I think Taylor
Swift's talented enough even if her life changed dramatically, I
don't think that her music necessarily is destined to fall off.
The material might be a whole lot different, the vibe
could be a whole lot different, but I think she
could still be successful. She has so many freaking fans, man,
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I don't think they'd be like, what the hell love
things are working out? This isn't the Taylor I know.
I think it would be fine.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Well, I mean, so many women, so many girls seem
to look up to her. Now that I've got two daughters,
I'm just like, man, I wish she was making music
that I would feel good about my daughters listening to
when it came to the messages that we're coming from.
And look, this is not a critique of I mean,
she's obviously been successful doing what she's doing. But I
do look at that and it's just like, you know,
this could actually be a Taylor Swift. You could look
(27:39):
up to the one that actually finds, you know, finds
a husband, and that becomes kind of the next stage
of her life. Because she's already done some of these
other things, but you know, she's still relatively young and
there's still a lot of her career left. And I
wasn't expecting to do the Taylor Swift. I was literally
just gonna mention that Chief's documentary and then get into
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what we teased about some of the quarterbacks, and then
we ended up doing Taylor Swift for ten minutes.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
So there, he's that massive Jay Mark. That's the way
it works with t Swift.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
She takes over, So cam Ward says shifting gears. Cam Ward,
the number one pick of the Tennessee Titans, right here
in Nashville where I do the show from it, says
that he believes that the Titans can be a top
ten offense this season. I know that there's been a
lot of talk that he's had excellent chemistry with Calvin Ridley,
(28:30):
and this is year two. He's got he's got an
offensive line coach and Bill Callahan that certainly knows what
he's doing. I don't. I don't know if the head
coach is going to be a long term fix. Who knows,
But you know, I felt I felt the cam Ward
pick was I don't know what the ceiling is, but
I didn't think the floor was, you know, the core
of the earth. Basically, Like, I feel like he's probably
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going to be serviceable to pretty good at least just
because he had he had good fundamentals and things of
that nature. Now, all the talk has been about should
do or yes? But how are you feeling, Brian about
some of these other guys? When you look at Jackson Dart,
who's gonna get a little bit of time, You would
think that's why you bring in a Russell Wilson to
kind of give you give him a little bit of time.
(29:14):
But you look at all these guys that were drafted,
even though it doesn't have the same name recognition and
the same pizazz that a year ago did with Caleb
and Jayden Daniels and Boenix and Michael Pennix and all
those guys. How are you feeling about this rookie this
rookie crop and who are you who are you buying
into right now?
Speaker 4 (29:34):
I think I think Jackson Dart could have some success
in the NFL. I think it's possible. I think it's
gonna take some time for him to get on the field.
I don't know. We were talking about this, how many
if you take the if it was two and a
half starts this season, would you bet the over or
under with Jackson Dart? I would bet the over. I
(29:54):
think that he's gonna be over there. But I think
they're gonna start Russell Wilson at least the first core
of the season, maybe the first half of the season,
and then they give Jackson Dart some more reps right there.
The thing with cam Ward, it's amazing to me.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
This is a.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
Number one overall pick. Yeah, and nationally speaking, it's as
close to a non story as you can get. I
don't think we've ever had this in NFL history, j Mart,
where the number one overall quarterback who's the number one
overall pick is basically a non story. And a guy
(30:31):
like Shadur who's much more talented than a fifth round pick,
but he's still a fifth rounder and he's buried on
the depth chart right now, and Shaduur is a way
bigger story than cam Ward. I don't think you could
point to any year in NFL history where that's been
the case.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Yeah. So I'm looking back now, all the way back
to nineteen ninety quarterbacks drapped at number one. Overall, you
had Jeff George Drew Bloodshoe, and then you had kind
of a up off there for a few years, and
you got Peyton Manning in ninety eight, Tim Couch in
ninety nine, then Michael Vick, David Carr, Carson Palmer, Eli,
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Alex Smith, JaMarcus Russell, Matthew Stafford, Sam Bradford, cam Andrew
Luck and then the group that we talked about in
a earlier this hour was starting with Jamison coming up
through cam Ward. I think there is one thing about
the cam Ward thing is he's just not done or
said anything that is going to create news. I mean,
(31:31):
I think he's just all the talk around Nashville that
I know of, though I don't consume like local media
is just most people are pretty high on it. You
think he's probably going to be pretty good, but he's
not doing anything to stand out yet. But he's also
not creating controversy in any way. Like that's where Shadoor
comes in. Is Shadour his box office because of his dad,
(31:53):
because of what happened in the pre draft process and
all those things. Everything is under this gigantic microscope. And
of course Tennessee is just not a team that most
people care about, and even like Bryce Young. A couple
of years ago, Bryce Young was coming off the Heisman Trophy,
he was coming from Alabama, and then he wasn't good,
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and so that became the story. If Bryce Young had
been pretty good, I still don't know how much we
would have heard, because Caroline is another one of those
teams that just kind of exists and you, oh, yeah,
they're still a football team. But like cam Ward, Kim
Ward's been pretty good, and you've heard in practice he's
been decent. He's had a couple bad days, a couple
of good days, but nothing particularly interesting enough that's going
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to take the national attention. I don't know that it's
a knock on Ward as much as it is. He's
been solid enough to not stand out like he's the
official that you don't know his name because he hasn't
made a bad call.
Speaker 4 (32:49):
Yeah, that's not a knock on cam Ward. Really. If
I'm the Tennessee Titans, I'm not like, hey, cam can
you just say something outlandish so we can get a
few more headlines, a few more segments on sports radio.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (33:03):
It doesn't matter. So I like if I'm the Titans.
I'm totally fine with not being the hot story or
I like cam Ward's approach. It's not a knock on him.
He's just he's not a big talking point right now.
I think, listen, that's way aggressive talking about the Titans
being a top ten offense scoring offense. They were twenty
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seventh last season. They averaged a tick over eighteen points
a game, So to go from that to a top
ten offense. I don't like saying no chance, they have
zero chance.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Yeah, but that's the quarterback. He's not gonna say, well,
I hope we're top twenty five in offense. Like yes,
I think he's got to sound confident. Even though I
agree with you, I think it's a it's definitely thinking
for this guys. When we come back, we'll talk about
guys that are improve at years at the quarterback position.
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Welcome back, two Pros and a couple of Joe. Little
talking Heads, bring this back. Be you a big Talking
Heads fan?
Speaker 4 (34:31):
Can't say big, but I don't mind them.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
I like them, you do. I've always been a big
fan of theirs. There you go. The only thing about
them is every song is about food.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
This one's about food.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
Go about you like, Look it's about food or buildings.
It's like food or structures. Okay, it's kind of strange. Huh,
they're topics. But I've always liked David Byrne's music. I've
enjoyed talking heads for a long time. And hey, that's
what we are. We are taught heads, disembodied voices. When
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it comes to the radio industry, guys that do more
than talk, well, those are the players that we watch
and we talk about. We're gonna talk about some quarterbacks
here in just a minute. That maybe it's proven time
for a few of these guys. We're gonna give you
a list of some of the guys we're thinking this
might be the year to make or break what they're
(35:23):
gonna be in the future. But a guy that we
it probably has a little bit more time than that
is a rookie. Let's get to this week's Express pros
Pro of the Week. Shut or playfake looking end zone,
lofting back corner of the end zone and it is
put touchdown Cayden Davis.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
And Sudor Sanders has his first career NFL touchdown.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
That was your Express Pros Pro the Week courtesy seven
hundred WLW. That's the Browns Radio Network. Cayden Davis, that
was Sudor Sanders first. I don't know if I can
call it a first NFL touchdown, right, Yeah, dude did
a seventy yard field goal, right.
Speaker 4 (36:05):
I was thinking the same thing. We can't count that, so, yeah, that.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Was I said that. I said that to Aaron Torres
last week. Bryan, I'm glad you're on the same wave
with the me. If I can't count the seventy yard
field goal, then I can't say that's his first NFL
touchdown either, because it means that all these things don't matter,
like he has to do this in the regular season
for that to be a touchdown. So you're with me
on that.
Speaker 4 (36:26):
I'm with you on it's sort of like what do
we have the NBA Cup, you know, like one like
the championship game. It happens like those shots went in,
those shots didn't go in, but none of the stats count.
So it's kind of what I saw the two touchdown passes.
It happened, what should do her, But statistically it's as
if it never did happen because.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
It's preth I saw, like Jackson Dart first NFL touchdown?
No man, no. Also, if I'm Jackson Dart, I don't
want that to be my first NFL touchdown like this
is this is yeah, we we can't count this. Yes
it occurred, and we saw it with our eyes. But
if we're not gonna if we're gonna say that's the
first touchdown, then we also have a new record holder
for longest field goal, and I don't think anybody is
going there. I also real quickly, well let me do
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a seventy yard field goal in preseason, you got to
(37:30):
give that guy a chance in the regular season to
do that, right.
Speaker 4 (37:33):
Yeah, absolutely, especially if it's before the half. Why wouldn't right, right, Like,
instead of trying this, you know, hail Mary, unless you
can sling at seventy five yards, Yeah, try them out there,
try a seventy yard or for sure, especially.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
If you're in the right stadium, like if you happen
to be against my Broncos, oh yeah, and Denver, you
definitely do it. But if he can hit a seventy, like,
I've got to give him the opportunity to do it
when everybody will agree it can.
Speaker 4 (38:00):
Yeah, absolutely, you're in Detroit, you're in a dome or
what have you like, Yeah, he was in Jacksonville. That's
the other part that blows right my mind. It wasn't
this controlled indoor environment or if you said, what's your
best chance to hit a seventy yard er? No one
is like, oh Jacksonville, Absolutely, it's Denver. What you mentioned
(38:20):
I could name five ten other stadiums before I got
to Jacksonville and he still made it.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
Would that mean if he hits a seventy yard field, Goald,
does that become the most famous thing that's ever happened
in the Jaguars franchise? Oh?
Speaker 4 (38:35):
Man, I maybe it's I flashed back to Natron means,
you know, like I want to dis Fred Taylor, but
Leonard Fournette beating the Steelers on the road, you know,
But I mean that's one of them that's on the
short list. That's a sad thing, man, when that's.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
Like the most the most the most noteworthy thing for
the Jacksonville Jaguars to me, like historically has been when
they almost made the Super Bowl that year, Like oh
with Mark Brunell. Oh Brunell, Yeah that year too, as
a matter of fact. So like there's a couple there.
But like the things you most remember about the Jags
is like Urban Meyer and some of those things. It's
(39:16):
not as much the other stuff. Their history is not
particularly deep, I guess that's what I'm saying. So there's
a lot of room to create history.
Speaker 4 (39:27):
I would say, yeah, And that's the thing, man, I'd
have to go back and get the exact stat, but
there is an just a gross stat in terms of
Jacksonville picking in the top ten, like I don't know,
fifteen of the last eighteen years. There's something insane like
that where it's like, wow, man, they've picked that high
(39:47):
that often it's like, yeah, they've been that bad for
that long. It's been a long haul of suckiness for Jacksonville.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
So so quickly anybody more than Trevor Lawrence in approve
it year in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (40:01):
This year, man, he's up there. I think Caleb Williams,
just in terms of the eyeballs, the talent around him,
the backlash if he doesn't prove it, you know, he'd
be on the shortlist.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
Also, Yeah, there's definitely some guys we can get as
deep into that as possible. We're gonna turn it back
over to b No and he will drive the ship
for the third hour of the show. I got no
idea where he's going. That always makes it fun. We'll
be right back
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