August 25, 2025 • 40 mins
Shedeur Sanders struggles in his preseason finale but conspiracy theories about sabotage need to be shut down. Mike Vrabel a hunting rats in New England. Plus, the FSR IR.
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, thanks for listening to the Two Pros and a
Cup of Joe Podcast with LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, and
myself Jonas Knox. Make sure you catch us live weekdays
six to nine am Eastern Time three to six am
Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. You can find your local
station for the Two Pros and a Cup of Joe
show over at Foxsports Radio dot com, or stream us
(00:22):
live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching FSR.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
I guessing Anthleen Elgin, what a oh god, it's Two
Pros and a Cup of Joe.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Yeah, bring us in, come on, we're still doing this thing.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
LaVar Arrington, yeah, Brady Quinn yeah, Jonas Knobs yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
Can I change this one for you to something else?
Pay them?
Speaker 5 (01:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Come on, Jonahs, don't let you ruin it. Come on,
go ahead, Jonas.
Speaker 5 (01:20):
No, no, fam all good, not fam Come.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
On, Jonas, come on, Jonas, Yeah, go on, step for
the Jonas.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
We're going.
Speaker 5 (01:28):
Come on, Jonas, y'all know mean cuz what nah me?
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Nah me?
Speaker 5 (01:40):
You can find this ish on the iHeartRadio out too.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
That this ish.
Speaker 5 (01:47):
Come on, Jonas, I can't that's all I got, That's
all I got.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Why you going those? You just gonna float with la?
Speaker 6 (02:02):
Man?
Speaker 3 (02:02):
You found this this on on You know what I'm saying, son?
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (02:06):
I don't call you son because you are my son.
I call you son because you shine like one.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Oh this that's appropriate. It's an appropriate segue under this.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
There you go. Uh.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
The story Lee did not mention, and Uh, in case
you missed, it was something that I was not familiar
with until Brady sent over the the highlight if you
will over the weekend.
Speaker 5 (02:29):
Uh, Lee, you want to explain?
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Uh?
Speaker 7 (02:32):
Yes, of course we did mention the Kansas State lost
to Iowa State in Dublin, which then was followed quickly
by uh. And it's I know this. I feel like
I know exactly where this happened. This is where we
were walking out.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (02:46):
A video that's gone viral of Avery Johnson's father, Avery Johnson,
the quarterback of Kansas State, his father and his old
and his older brother getting into a fight on the street.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (02:56):
His father, Markle and brother Anthony have now is to
an apology for this viral video, saying we sincerely apologize
for our actions following yesterday's football game in Ireland that
state been read senseless bickering escalated into an unnecessary fight.
We have resolved our differences and take full responsibility for
our actions. We have apologized to our immediate family and
now extend our apologies to Kansas State University it's alumni
(03:19):
and fans. We regret this incident, have learned from it,
and are committed to ensuring it doesn't happen again.
Speaker 8 (03:25):
Please accept our deepest apologies.
Speaker 9 (03:27):
They were fighting with each other, yeah, oh yeah, so
that was what wasn't clear. People on social media were
trying to say they like, oh, got drunk, we're fighting
with other people in Ireland, and then some sett as
a father's son, which look based on how the game
ended and by the way Aby Johnson played well, I thought,
you know, Iowa State is a tough defense to go
(03:48):
up against.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
I gave you a nugget. Now.
Speaker 9 (03:50):
John Haycock's defense has held opponents over the last five
years to an average of like.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
Under twenty two to twenty three points. They only gave
it twenty one.
Speaker 9 (03:58):
It's like there you go, Like That's State is one
of the more consistent programs you'll find in college football,
there's no reason to get frustrated about it. However, I
understand again Avery Johnson, a guy who they thought his
breakout year was last year.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
This year, you know, who knows what will end up doing.
Speaker 9 (04:14):
But you know, clearly some frustration from the parents with
how that game went and starting off the season.
Speaker 5 (04:18):
One one, what are you doing?
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Like you you've got your son pinned down on the
ground with your fore arm across his throat and you're
throwing punches at him. And a puddle in a puddle
outside of the state, big old puzzle that your that
your other.
Speaker 5 (04:33):
Son just played in. Wait, what are you doing?
Speaker 4 (04:37):
We're not talking about a co ed puddle. We're talking
about a puddle.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
No, No, it was not a co ed puddle at all.
Speaker 6 (04:43):
Oh it was it was that deep. That's one of
them could have drowned in that puddle.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
It was deep.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
That's just I don't know, man, Like they want to
keep going though, Like I think once to one, I
think it was the the what was it the son?
Speaker 6 (04:59):
I think once he realized how wet he got doing it,
it was just like we might as well just keep going,
you know, like, let's let's go ahead and get another rounded.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
I mean, that's wow, really good top control by the father.
I would say that.
Speaker 6 (05:16):
He did stay on top of him, like he was
like a half a centimeter away from drowning him. Man Like,
if that puddle was any deeper, dude would have been
taken on water through the nostrils and nothing like.
Speaker 5 (05:29):
But like LeVar, think about this.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Imagine your son just finishes playing a game at Penn
State and finds out that there's a video of you
and your other son fist fighting in the parking lot,
Like how do you how does it?
Speaker 9 (05:45):
How do you get over that you're missing where this
is all directed at? Like, what we really need to
do is take a moment right now. And this is
a little difficult, give it everyone's personal situations. And I
don't know why Lee just went off stream yard. Maybe
he felt like there was coming towards him, Like who
would be most likely to get in a fight with
(06:06):
their dad in a public place?
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Lee? Maybe Jonas. I don't I don't really know.
Speaker 6 (06:14):
I mean, I guess it would be impossible for Jonas.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
Back in the day.
Speaker 6 (06:19):
We're just don't get a hypothetical, Jonas. Now you don't
have to be so literal, Geez, who would be better
at walking their dog? Brady Jonas or LeVar?
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Like?
Speaker 6 (06:32):
We get it, bro, Like just play too though, Yeah,
so are mine. I just got a new one that's
all replace them, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Geez?
Speaker 5 (06:46):
No, I would, I would. I would have never never.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Fought my dad.
Speaker 8 (06:51):
I'd fight him in the street.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
I bet Lee would. It would have to be Lee, right, yeah?
And Lee would? You would you get your ass kicked
by your dad though you think you beat up your dad.
Here's the only thing. Here's the only thing I'd say.
Speaker 9 (07:05):
About this is Lee is sneaky athletic. I mean the
hesitation move he put on that security card. He did
double bro, He damn near lost his achilles right there.
Speaker 5 (07:17):
He put that.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Put they found out he had five toes.
Speaker 5 (07:23):
He put that guy.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
He put that guy in a clown suit on national radio.
And then the guy had the nerve to come back
over later in the week and try and hang out.
Speaker 5 (07:33):
Dude, pick up your shoes you left over there? Would great?
Throw too on the money.
Speaker 6 (07:40):
Throw That's hilarious. I would never fight my dad. Just
so we're clear, Yeah, never. I just feel like I'm
going straight to hell if I ever like dishonored my
father in any way like I would, I would never
fight my dad.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Just imagine Avery Johnson opens up social media and goes, wait, dad,
he's got a sunpinning down beating his ass in a puddle.
Speaker 5 (08:09):
What do we doing?
Speaker 3 (08:11):
Dude? Like, what are we doing? Well?
Speaker 5 (08:14):
Hey, that sucks, but you know, living, you'll learn.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
And uh, there's probably a couple of a couple of
pops mixed in there too that probably led to leather
the skirmish or the Donnybrook if you will. All right,
it is two pros and a cup of Joe here
on Fox Sports Radio. Now we transition over smoothly to
something that must be discussed because we are all about
(08:40):
checking the boxes here, all right, It's all about playing
the hits. Lvar's guy should or Sanders had a little
bit of a rough rough go.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Over bars guy a little bit of a rough go
of it.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
This weekend look looked a little bit different than the
previous game that he participate in. You know, he took
a bunch of bad sacks. I think he completed three
passes through for I think negative fourteen yards something like that,
but not all that great. And so now the the
(09:17):
conversation becomes what next. He wanted to stay in for
the final two minute drive. Kevin Stefanski pulled him out
and said, no, we're just we're gonna go with Snoop,
who later got released. And so now the discussion turns
to what happens with Shador. It appears like he's going
to make the roster.
Speaker 5 (09:38):
But I don't know how anybody could argue that.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
You know, he climbs the depth chart above Dylan Gabriel
after what we've seen, I think that sit sailed.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
Now Here's the thing is, no one's trying to make
that argument.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Now.
Speaker 9 (09:49):
What the argument they're trying to make is that Kevin
Stefanski is it out for him and the Browns organization
organization has it out for Shador Sanders And this was
all a setup, you know, the position they put him in,
the plays they called during when he was in the
game versus Dylan Gabriel. I was actually so motivated, I'll
(10:11):
put it that way, by social media last night to
go back through and break down all of this, just
to kind of put it to bed. There are so
many misconceptions with what's being spewed on social media, and look,
maybe they're just people who are trying to gaslight. Like
maybe that's what this is and that's what social media
is kind of be coming now, is you got to
(10:32):
get a reaction out of people, so you have to
say things that are just absolutely ridiculous. Or there's just
certain people who viewed this world in a certain prison
and that's not going to change. And those people seem
to come out of the woodwork for sports when they
never lived there in the first place. And by the way,
like here's the things that I heard. You know, the
(10:52):
play calls when Dylan Gabriel was in were quick hitters
and you got the ball out quicker. And then when
Shador goes in there, these mass protection take forever. But
he's getting sacked all the time, even though they knew
they couldn't protect him. Okay, let's break that down quick.
You don't know what the biggest difference was between Dylan
Gabriel and Shadoor Sanders. When Dylan Gabriel got to his
(11:13):
back foot, he was decisive, he got the ball out
of his hand. Shadoor Sanders had a number of opportunities
to go to his first read or second read or
an underneath route that he chose not to go to
That's not on Dylan Gabriel, the coaching staff, or anyone else.
And it's one of the things I brought up in
the last time that we saw Dylan Gabriel out and
really when Shaduor played well too, they both looked good.
(11:36):
The difference was there was something chrispian quick about Dylan
Gabriel and just how he kind of has an understanding
for the timing and rhythm of NFL offenses when the
ball is thrown with timing and anticipation. Chadar took a
lot of sacks in college, and it wasn't just because
his old line wasn't great. It wasn't great at Colorado.
He holds onto the football for an eternity. So that's
(11:59):
the first issue I was an issue in college. It
seemed to be a bit of an issue at least
in the two preseason games we've seen, even when he
played well in the first one, the ball wasn't coming
out quite as quick. The other issue he has, and
one of the reasons why a lot of the pressure
and things were exacerbated, is because Dylan Gabriel, if you
watch him when he gets to the back of the pocket,
he steps up, he works through it, he kind of
(12:21):
navigates up back towards the line of scrimmage. Shador does
something very similar. And by the way, it's not just Shador.
I said this about Bryce Young his rookie season. After
I call it a game. A lot of these college
quarterbacks they get in this bad habit of when they
drop back, they turn their hips parallel to the line
of scrimmage. It right away eliminates half the field. If
(12:41):
you're a right handed quarterback and your hips are parallel
to the line of scrimmage as you're standing there in
the pocket or trying to navigate where to go, Yes,
you can run forward, but you've cut off the entire
right half of the field at least being able to
throw down the field, midfield, anywhere. Maybe you can adjust,
turn quickly throw something short, but it's the middle field
to the left side of the field. The defense has
(13:02):
already won. They already don't have to cover half the
field because they got you to get into a bad
habit of opening your hips like that. You know, you'd
like to be like a boxer climbing up through the pocket,
maintaining the ability to throw your right hand, so your
really hips should be perpendicular to the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
So Bryce Young had that habit.
Speaker 9 (13:23):
He was able to kind of kick it a bit
last year too, and some of what he was doing
because naturally, when you drop back like that, you get
the back of the pocket, you want to run out
to the sides. You don't want to actually step up
into the pocket where that's your safe have and that's
your safe one. That's how the cod line coach is
coaching those tackles to push those edge rushers by you.
But you have to set the pocket then step up
(13:44):
into it. So he's got to figure out a way
of developing that habit and kicking this old kind of
college habit that a lot of quarterbacks fall into the
habit of when they transition from college to the NFL. Now,
you know, was he playing with the best guys ones
and twos? No, but doing Gabrielle had to deal with
that sometimes too, And by the way, as a quarterback,
(14:05):
you have to deal with that at times, you know.
I remember playing in Denver last game of the season
when I was with the Chiefs. We had a backup
left tackle. We had a guard who we had just
signed I think two or three weeks prior another guard
who we signed like week four during the season, we
had another player who was wearing a club on his
right hand. I mean it was as patched work as
(14:25):
you can get. And guess who they had, Von Miller
one side, DeMarcus Ware on the other. Have fun going
up against that, Like, that's what you're gonna be tasked with.
So this is just a preseason game, Like, we don't
need to overreact about the performance of Shador Sanders and
make this a racial thing or make.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
This a Kevin Stefanski and this team has that out
for him.
Speaker 9 (14:42):
It's not the case, man, Like you can try to
do that and try to peep perpetuating on social media.
It is the biggest lie if you want to buy
into that, because there's not one lineman that I've ever
met that's like, oh, Shadoor's in, I'm gonna go and
throw in the towel on my career and play so
he gets sacked or he doesn't shine.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
Let him get hit, Yeah, let him get hit.
Speaker 9 (15:05):
Like what player have you ever heard of who's doing
their best to make an NFL roster Not just the Browns,
because those guys have to play for every other team
too that they're on film for, and pray to God
they get picked up either by the Browns their practice
squad or somewhere else on an active roster of practice squad.
So can we just stop this? It's madness, it really is.
(15:26):
Someone try to compare to t Bow. I said, let
me just first explain this to you about Tebow. Should
Door could throw the football? It starts it ends there,
like there's no comparison between those two. Should Door could
play at the NFL level throwing the football?
Speaker 4 (15:41):
All right?
Speaker 9 (15:42):
Like that's just and that's not me like it's been
anything other than pointing out the fact to you that
like he could sling it.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
That was Tim's biggest issue coming into.
Speaker 9 (15:51):
The NFL is there was a lot of concern about
whether or not he could at the NFL level do it,
should or can do it.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
So don't try to compare, like, oh, it's the thing,
No it's not.
Speaker 9 (16:01):
It's completely different. It's a completely different scenario, circumstances. What
Shador entered into, what Tim entered into, what Tim struggles were,
what you know, it's being asked of Shador right now.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
It's like it's night and day, so I know it's
stop the badness.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Man.
Speaker 6 (16:16):
What's funny about that part of it is Tim Tebow
was more relevant to the conversation than Shador Sanders or
Dylan Gabriel because he was closer to getting onto the field.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
Right.
Speaker 6 (16:30):
He wasn't a third string he was. He was slated
as the backup when he came in, and he was
the third string.
Speaker 9 (16:34):
I was on that team, and this is why, like
I know, in depth knowledge, you can talk on it,
but you will not have a clue.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
I've been on it.
Speaker 9 (16:39):
I've been in a road game before where I was
warming up or he went down. Then next week They're like, hey,
Tim's gonna go in, and I looked at the coaches
like what did this happen?
Speaker 3 (16:48):
Yeah, that's what I mean. I thought he was because
he ended up playing in the playoffs, right, and.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
He played awful well. That was the second year. That
was when John Fox got there, and yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
I thought he would.
Speaker 6 (16:57):
I thought he was second on the depth chart, so
I thought that it would be more relevant.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
But if he was third, then it is it's more
relevant to be.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
Well, and he played.
Speaker 9 (17:05):
If you saw him in the preseason, it was like, again,
if you saw those games, you're kind of like, all right,
and that's why.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
Some of the players were even surprised and shocked by it.
But I digress.
Speaker 9 (17:15):
The only comparison there was was in regards to the
fandom and the pushing behind one to get them in.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Like, there's definitely validity to that.
Speaker 6 (17:25):
And I would just say the whole you said, the
let's not get you know, what was it out.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
Of control about or whatever it may be.
Speaker 6 (17:33):
Like why there, why are we overreacting over a third
and fourth string quarterback.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
That's like, let's start there. It's you know, let's start there.
Speaker 6 (17:42):
Like the phenomenon of it all is that Shador Sanders
is the driving factor of the topic and and that's it.
That is it, even Shiloh getting getting waived and all
that stuff, major story driving lines, like he was probably
(18:02):
not going to make the team anyway, but it's it's
such a big driving story. It's an engine to a
vehicle that is very leverageable and very usable. And that's
what's happening here. If Dylan Gabriel and Shador Sanders were
battling it out for one and two, this is a
(18:23):
relevant conversation. I don't even know that they're saying that
Kenny Pickett is going to be available for Week one,
which means that they're planning on rolling with Kenny Pickett
on on the roster. So one of these guys is
going to be on the practice squad and one of
(18:43):
these guys probably won't even be activated on game day.
It's probably going to be Kenny Pickett and Joe Flacco.
And like I said, I think Joe Flacco is a
rent a QB and Kenny Pickett is still someone that
the verdict.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Is out on him, like or not yet out on him.
Speaker 6 (19:03):
He's young enough where you could say, can he resurrect
his career or is he heading down the direction of
being a career backup. We don't know what Kenny Pickett's
going to be. But the more relevant conversation is what's
gonna happen with Joe Flacco leading this team. What's gonna
happen If Joe Flacco can do it, it's probably gonna
be Kenny Pickett's team to try.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
To figure it out.
Speaker 6 (19:26):
There's all kinds of debates and discussions about two dudes
that aren't even going to touch the field.
Speaker 5 (19:33):
And by the way, the.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Reason Dylan Gabriel is being talked about as much as
he is as a third rounder, is because was taken
in the same draft.
Speaker 5 (19:41):
He's not even white, but he's he's.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
Like, we're making this like, oh, they're doing him so wrong.
Oh god, it's still at Gabriel's a minority.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
Two people.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Stop it. Either one of them are going to play.
Speaker 5 (19:57):
Why do you let me ask you?
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Why do you guys think that Shador has been picked?
You know, like because everybody gets like from time to time,
somebody gets chosen.
Speaker 5 (20:06):
You know, you mentioned Tebow, you mentioned Shador, Like, why
do you think it's it's the same.
Speaker 6 (20:13):
Well, the amount of content and what Tim Tebow did
as a good person was brilliant because it built a
brand and then the man made the quote and went
and won a national title with one of the more
dominant football teams in college football.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
But isn't it Don't you think it's because like that
just shows you the job that Dion did.
Speaker 6 (20:35):
And it was really that became like it's it's Dion's brand,
and it's Dion's son that built Shadoor, built Dion Senior,
and built uh Shiloh's brands while they were were coming
up in college.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
That was a one win program that a year later
was having rock concerts before games.
Speaker 6 (20:58):
You want to know, the one common threat between Tim
Tebow and the comparison is they they both players have
truly tapped into the Christian community. If we want to
take it a step deeper, when you get the Christian
community behind you, they jump all on it and it's
not really about anything other than God will serve and protect.
(21:22):
And when you bring God into it, and it's like
this is a God thing, and this is this is
something that was was spiritually deemed, this was something that
was divinely ordered and stuff like that. Once you get
people on that that praise train, and then they got
you in their prayer groups, like you had prayer groups
(21:42):
for Sador Sanders, Like, come on, man, you see what's
going on abroad, people getting bombed.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
All kind of stuff.
Speaker 6 (21:49):
I don't know that Jesus Christ is worrying about who's
going to start for the Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
I just don't know.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
The religious component I think was more applicable to Tebow
because you know, he was no.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
No, it's very it's very equal, bro.
Speaker 9 (22:07):
Two different churches, probably though I don't know. I don't
know might be Baptist.
Speaker 5 (22:12):
I don't know was a virgin.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
That's very true.
Speaker 6 (22:19):
His level of approach to Christianity was much much more
different and much more pronounced than Doors, but not more
than Dion's.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
Keep that.
Speaker 9 (22:32):
Jonasman accusations about Tibo losing his virginity to Jill at some.
Speaker 5 (22:37):
Point, But hey, haven't we all?
Speaker 3 (22:41):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (22:44):
So I think if.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
You're looking for answers there, just look at your left palm.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
By the way, Lee was And I didn't get what
he meant by this. But Lee was saying earlier that
you know, in's church there is a lot more singing.
And I didn't know what what that was all about.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
That was crazy, Lee, What were you?
Speaker 5 (23:02):
What did you mean by that?
Speaker 8 (23:04):
That was just a much, you know, much more engaging crowd.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Okay, yeah, yeah, I wasn't sure. Just trying to figure
that out with your meeting. What you're trying to imply there, Labar,
I didn't know what he was trying to imply there.
Speaker 6 (23:17):
I don't know, man, like you're trying to say church
is just singing when it's a black church liked God,
dang bro. I can guarantee you that Tim Tebow was
in the same type of chase, probably like Pentecostal or
you know, something to that effect, like where it was
mixed crowds of people. Don't Mega churches ain't worried about
(23:37):
what your color is these days. They just worried about
if you're tapping or if you're swiping up one of
those those those uh one of them atm machines before
you come into the House of God in the sanctuary,
because it ain't free to worship.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
They say it is, but it ain't.
Speaker 6 (23:53):
Somebody got to pay these bills, you know, for this nice, big,
beautiful church, in this great sound system. Somebody got to
be able to pay for it, gassing up that jets
so they could fly privately to go bless somebody when
they get there. I mean some of these things, some
of them have two jets, you know, because the Lord
has been good to them. So I'm just saying, when
(24:14):
you get the Christian community involved, they go all in
and I'm while I'm like joking, like I'm really like
lightweight joking, I'm being dead serious. I'm being dead serious.
That is the issue that you're going to run into.
It's like either it's either Greeks it's either Greek society, right,
(24:35):
so you see how like certain people were chosen and
climbed to relevance like Colin Kaepernick, or now we see
how how much support you know, Ryan Clark has garnered
and the things that he says, and a lot of
people say it's racially driven, but it's also it's it's
there's a back story, a back plot to all of it.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
And those are Greeks. They're Greeks, and they get behind it.
Speaker 6 (25:01):
They get behind it, they push the narrative, and they're
very very strong in how they get their messages out
and they catches hold and these figures become way more
sympathetic figures to a specific group of people than to
anything else. This topic is really an irrelevant topic. It
really is. Neither one of them will play a significant
(25:24):
role for the Cleveland Browns foreseeably in the near future.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Wow, it's a non topic.
Speaker 9 (25:31):
I'm not going that far because I do think, well,
here's the reality is Joe Flacco's forty.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
He's gonna start the season.
Speaker 9 (25:39):
I don't know if he's gonna finish it, but recent
history has told us that it'll take more than one
quarterback for the Browns. To finish the season. I mean,
hell was like that when I was there. So if
that's the case, and both these guys are on the roster,
which mind you, it sounds like they're gonna keep four,
there's a lot of time before the start of the season.
We've seen a lot of movement with teams trading for
various quarterbacks. Sam how obviously just got traded to be
(26:00):
a backup with the Eagles, whether he's second, third string, whatever,
There's still a lot of time. So I would say
I don't know that they're going to necessarily factor in
right away, but I'm not writing them off not playing
this year or factoring at some point this season. Yeah,
but let's let's be real about this, like this is football.
(26:20):
Like none of these guys who are coaching a team,
who are evaluating players who are on these teams, are.
Speaker 4 (26:27):
Trying to do anything other than win.
Speaker 9 (26:29):
I know we like to play out the conspiracy theories
and everything else, but all these players are out there
trying to do the best they can to win. No
one was throwing in the towel for Shador, no one
was calling poor plays for shaudor there's things that he's
got to work on to improve upon, because what you
saw was not just shoud Or work with threes and fours.
Speaker 4 (26:47):
Right and Dylan Gaberl working with ones and twos.
Speaker 9 (26:51):
It was the difference between how one guy has made
strides and you know, processing and spreading the football around
and getting down with in the offense first another and
mind you don't Gabriels played more football than Shador, so
there's that element of it too where it's like he's
seen a lot more, done a lot more at the
college level before he came, you know, to the NFL level,
so he should be further along than we're Shadors at
(27:13):
this point.
Speaker 5 (27:15):
Yeah, well we're pretty far along on this show.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
I know that.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
And you can catch this show on its brand new
YouTube channel. Just go to YouTube dot com forward slash
at two pros FSR, or if you're already within YouTube,
just search two pros FSR. Be sure to hit the
subscribe button. You'll have instant access to the very best
videos from the show. Go check out the brand new
channel again. Just search two pros FSR on YouTube and subscribe.
(27:40):
Coming up next here though, somebody has identified a problem
within their organization. They're trying to get rid of it
you'll hear them next here on FSR.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Errington and
Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern three am Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio App.
Speaker 10 (28:02):
Hey, Steve Covino and I'm Rich David and together We're
Covino and Rich on Fox Sports Radio. You could catch
us weekdays from five to seven pm Eastern two to
four Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and of course the
iHeartRadio App.
Speaker 5 (28:14):
Why should you listen to Covino and Rich.
Speaker 10 (28:16):
We talk about everything life, sports, relationships, what's going on
in the world. We have a lot of fun talking
about the stories behind the stories in the world of
sports and pop culture, stories that well other shows don't
seem to have the time to discuss. And the fact
that we've been friends for the last twenty years and
still work together. I mean that says something, right, So
check us out. We like to get you involved too,
(28:37):
take your phone calls, chop it up. As they say,
I'd say the most interactive show on Fox Sports Radio,
maybe the most interactive show on planetar. Be sure to
check out Covino and Rich live on Fox Sports Radio
and the iHeartRadio app from five to seven pm Eastern
two to four Pacific, and if you miss any of
the live show, just search Covino and Rich wherever you
get your podcasts, and of course on social media that's
Covino and Rich.
Speaker 11 (29:00):
Loudest, I I I Biggest, the loudest.
Speaker 6 (29:13):
Just say I, I I biggest, the LOARGESTI.
Speaker 5 (29:20):
I two pros and a cup of Joe.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Fox Sports Radio, LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with the.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
Air is the Loudest.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Coming up in about ten minutes from now, we are
going to have the FI I are.
Speaker 5 (29:36):
That'll be yours here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
No Lie, no Lie.
Speaker 9 (29:47):
I was listening to him on Spotify and my dad like, kay,
I get a little born.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
We work out, and he walked in. He goes, child,
what the hell is this? I was like, it's Texas
Wrap Chopper and he smoking a.
Speaker 9 (30:01):
Cigar and he keeps walking around going a you know,
it's it's kind of like is a DJ called who?
Speaker 4 (30:11):
They always start off like his songs.
Speaker 9 (30:12):
Were like we don't know, yeah yeah, another one like
yeah forget there's there's there's a few others.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
Yeah, he does a couple of them.
Speaker 4 (30:19):
But I would say there's a couple of groups.
Speaker 9 (30:21):
Like they always have that like tag or that phrase
they start songs off with.
Speaker 4 (30:24):
His is always the a.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
Yeah he does Yeah, there you go. It's a good
points is like, oh my gosh, what do you mean?
Speaker 6 (30:34):
If I were to try to do it, I'd say, hey.
Speaker 9 (30:39):
You know, if if Jonas was trying to do it,
what he would say is this, he'd say, look, good
sleep starts with a good mattress from sleep experts, to
find my perfect mattress from the proof selection guys. So
the great sleep you deserve, visit mattress for him to
the best sale of the year.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
They make sleep easy. And it's not just sleep, it's
a fear of the things too.
Speaker 6 (30:58):
Yeah, sticks, I mean, deliver a little bluetoo on his
side of that little Matches firm.
Speaker 5 (31:07):
Mike Rabel.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Mike Rabel's got a red ass about something. Jonas jalen
Polk jalen Polk. There was some speculation, Hey, how serious
was you know the injury that he suffered, uh, you know,
is going to knock him out for a few weeks.
What are we looking at then it turns out no,
looks like he's probably gonna miss the entire year. Mike
(31:32):
Rabel was asked about this story and had this to say.
Speaker 10 (31:35):
A report today that Jalen Polk will have to have
system and shoulder surgery.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
Can you add anything to that?
Speaker 9 (31:41):
No, I don't know, other than I'd like to find
out where some of these come from.
Speaker 4 (31:45):
You know, some of these rats around here, So we'll
figure that out.
Speaker 5 (31:49):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
Gotta flush about you gotta flush about right. Loose lips
sink ships. There are rats in the building, and the
rats need to be right.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
Got disred, Yes, annoying.
Speaker 5 (32:07):
Right, all right.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Aaron Rodgers said the same thing about the Jets. Too
many leaks, too many stuff getting out, And Mike Vrabel's
trying to turn around the culture there, all right. He's
trying to do what Belichick did there for all those years.
Because there's too many damn rats in the building. I
can't even keep a guy's health status quiet because we
got people trying to go to the media.
Speaker 5 (32:27):
It's a problem. Do you guys have rats in your
locker room?
Speaker 4 (32:31):
First off, go ahead, you go ahead, far.
Speaker 6 (32:33):
I was going to just say, I wonder what that
team meeting was, if it was before he addressed the
media or after he addressed the media, Cuz I gotta
tell you when a when a coach feels that way,
it's one of the most disrespectful feelings. And I know
as a coach because I had I had players and
not the high school level. I had players acting like
(32:56):
I was a bully. Can you imagine that me being
a bully to my players?
Speaker 3 (33:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (33:01):
Actually, besides that guy in the auction, you know, I
can't affoid that guy.
Speaker 5 (33:09):
I can't.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
Like the nerve, the nerve of these little young mother efforts.
Got to do that.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
Some guy with a double double lung transplant. He's walking
around with like oxygen machine. LaVar's like the LeVar is
pinching the cord. LaVar gave me somef like that.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
I mean, he's lucky.
Speaker 5 (33:32):
How you like that they're doing?
Speaker 1 (33:34):
They're doing Patento lines. They pan over and LaVar is
giving the guy a smile.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
He better be lucky. I didn't cut off that oxygen.
Speaker 6 (33:43):
And take cord LaVar and plum a little pinch, A
little pinch on little board.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
Anyway, anybody got a closing her hair. It's just one
of the most.
Speaker 6 (33:54):
It's one of the most disrespectful feelings that you can
feel because you're dealing with you're dealing with what you're
dealing with with so many You just saw what Bill
Belichick had to say about, you know, the culture of
the New England Patriots with all of the staff that
they had grown through the years, and what it turned
(34:17):
into and the more people made it less direct less
direct made it harder to have success when you have
all these people and they have all these different roles,
and people have all these different people to answer to.
It's like, Okay, I know the head coaches, the head coach,
but what do they truly represent? Do I go to
(34:37):
him for this? Do I go to him for everything?
Speaker 3 (34:40):
Like?
Speaker 6 (34:40):
What does it represent? And I think when these things
happen sometimes it's not just the players that are part
of these these snitching deals and rat deals. A lot
of people assume immediately when these things are discussed and
talked about that it's a player. It's not always he's
necessarily a player. It could be someone else. And I
(35:06):
find it to be pretty interesting if Mike, because knowing
how Mike is, you know, I know Mike, I'll say
pretty good, not I wouldn't venture into well, I'd say
I know him pretty good just off of the surface,
and how I know he is mentality wise, he's probably
a little petty. He's probably a little petty. And if
(35:28):
he finds out and figures out who it is that
has these relationships with the media that are allowing that
inside information to get out to the media and get
out to the public, it's going to be some interesting
smoke in the city when he finds out who it is.
(35:48):
And I just wonder how is he going to go
about doing it. Is it going to be corporately done,
Is it going to be done by the books? Or
is it going to be petty? You know, like, is
somebody going to have a rat sitting in their car?
They're gonna have little little mice, little hamster, hamster will
in there in there, in there, you know, in their
in their office.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
I mean, he finds, he finds out who it is,
and there's just they walk into their office.
Speaker 5 (36:13):
There's a rat land in there. It's a good move,
good move.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 5 (36:18):
You got to take care of that crap.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
I believe he'll find them.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
There's nothing you hate more than a rat, is it
It's just I don't understand what anybody would gain from
going to the media to leak inside information from the building.
I don't like, what what are you trying? Are they
paying you for it? Is it TMZ giving you a
few bucks, you know, for your story? And then you know,
like you're making a little cash off it, Like what
(36:42):
if you if you're somebody from the Patriots, why would
you be going to the Boston Globe with injury news
or statuses on players that they don't want to come
out of the building.
Speaker 5 (36:53):
What does it do for you? Like, I just don't
understand it.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
I can't wrap my mind around it. And that's probably
why Rabel's like, what are we doing here? So it's
too bad? But that's sorry. They're gonna finish second in
that division.
Speaker 4 (37:07):
Lorena Lee, just you take notice.
Speaker 9 (37:09):
Jonas hates rats, right, cheese They might have been one
of Chuck e cheese.
Speaker 4 (37:14):
But he hates them.
Speaker 5 (37:15):
Technically a mouse, you know, rat, right.
Speaker 6 (37:19):
He's a rat, biggest rat, the rat hey By coming
up next here though it is a Monday tradition.
Speaker 5 (37:28):
It's the FSR I R right here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
Be sure to catch live editions of two Pros and
a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Arrington, and
Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern, three am Pacific.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe, Fox Sports Radio,
LeVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you here coming
up top of next hour. We'll call it a little
over ten minutes from now here on FSR, we are
going to tell you about one move that's already been
made in the NFL recently, when it comes to a quarterback.
That'll be yours here on Fox Sports Radio. Before we
get to our FSR. I R though, with the iHeartRadio app,
(38:05):
you can stream us wherever you happen to be.
Speaker 5 (38:07):
Catch us in all of our.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
Fox Sports Radio shows live twenty four to seven and
the new and improved iHeartRadio app. Just search Fox Sports
Radio in the app to stream us live all day,
every day, and be sure to select Fox Sports Radio
is one of your presets in the iHeart app, so
it will always pop up at the top of your screen.
Speaker 4 (38:24):
After your sports week APT happens.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
So it's time to get the FSR IR report.
Speaker 5 (38:32):
All right, who's got something spill it?
Speaker 6 (38:35):
I've already told you all my knees jacked up. So
moving on, got dad on the blink.
Speaker 3 (38:41):
Damn.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
App Lorrain is on an on an I R right
now because Lee just fumigated.
Speaker 8 (38:50):
The studio first.
Speaker 5 (38:52):
He was even a little upset about it.
Speaker 8 (38:55):
Yeah, not my proudest moment.
Speaker 5 (38:57):
What's ridiculous, Russ the bar? What's either guy?
Speaker 3 (39:02):
Man?
Speaker 6 (39:04):
If that's that's repulsive, it's revolting, it's it's despicable.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
It just shows the level of man that that Lee is. Like,
that's ridiculous.
Speaker 6 (39:16):
Man Like, Lee, excuse yourself from the room, bro, Like,
go somewhere where no one will be offended by how
funky your ass.
Speaker 8 (39:26):
Is offending myself today.
Speaker 5 (39:30):
That was the part that's ridiculous.
Speaker 8 (39:32):
She hasn't noticed, he said, He said, I've been doing
it the whole shift.
Speaker 5 (39:35):
You didn't notice.
Speaker 8 (39:36):
I said, that's just not true, because nothing you do
like you can't have one that's.
Speaker 5 (39:40):
Horrible and then four that aren't.
Speaker 8 (39:42):
I just did it.
Speaker 5 (39:42):
No, they come from the same spot.
Speaker 8 (39:44):
That's just not true.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
It's ridiculous.
Speaker 8 (39:46):
You're disgusting.
Speaker 6 (39:47):
Means your breath stinks too, bruh, and your armpits and
any other offices that you have you just a my.
Speaker 5 (39:54):
Effort like you've been ripping all day?
Speaker 2 (39:58):
I have?
Speaker 5 (39:59):
Would you?
Speaker 4 (40:00):
Last night?
Speaker 8 (40:01):
What did I have? I think we had a micro
uh an oven pizza.
Speaker 3 (40:05):
Who is? Who is? We?
Speaker 8 (40:06):
Me and my old man?
Speaker 3 (40:08):
Oh that's where you're staying these days.
Speaker 8 (40:11):
I was just hanging out with him, eating pizza, letting
it go.
Hey, thanks for listening to the Two Pros and a
Cup of Joe Podcast with LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, and
myself Jonas Knox. Make sure you catch us live weekdays
six to nine am Eastern Time three to six am
Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. You can find your local
station for the Two Pros and a Cup of Joe
show over at Foxsports Radio dot com, or stream us
(00:22):
live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching FSR.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
I guessing Anthleen Elgin, what a oh god, it's Two
Pros and a Cup of Joe.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Yeah, bring us in, come on, we're still doing this thing.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
LaVar Arrington, yeah, Brady Quinn yeah, Jonas Knobs yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
Can I change this one for you to something else?
Pay them?
Speaker 5 (01:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Come on, Jonahs, don't let you ruin it. Come on,
go ahead, Jonas.
Speaker 5 (01:20):
No, no, fam all good, not fam Come.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
On, Jonas, come on, Jonas, Yeah, go on, step for
the Jonas.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
We're going.
Speaker 5 (01:28):
Come on, Jonas, y'all know mean cuz what nah me?
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Nah me?
Speaker 5 (01:40):
You can find this ish on the iHeartRadio out too.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
That this ish.
Speaker 5 (01:47):
Come on, Jonas, I can't that's all I got, That's
all I got.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Why you going those? You just gonna float with la?
Speaker 6 (02:02):
Man?
Speaker 3 (02:02):
You found this this on on You know what I'm saying, son?
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (02:06):
I don't call you son because you are my son.
I call you son because you shine like one.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Oh this that's appropriate. It's an appropriate segue under this.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
There you go. Uh.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
The story Lee did not mention, and Uh, in case
you missed, it was something that I was not familiar
with until Brady sent over the the highlight if you
will over the weekend.
Speaker 5 (02:29):
Uh, Lee, you want to explain?
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Uh?
Speaker 7 (02:32):
Yes, of course we did mention the Kansas State lost
to Iowa State in Dublin, which then was followed quickly
by uh. And it's I know this. I feel like
I know exactly where this happened. This is where we
were walking out.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (02:46):
A video that's gone viral of Avery Johnson's father, Avery Johnson,
the quarterback of Kansas State, his father and his old
and his older brother getting into a fight on the street.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (02:56):
His father, Markle and brother Anthony have now is to
an apology for this viral video, saying we sincerely apologize
for our actions following yesterday's football game in Ireland that
state been read senseless bickering escalated into an unnecessary fight.
We have resolved our differences and take full responsibility for
our actions. We have apologized to our immediate family and
now extend our apologies to Kansas State University it's alumni
(03:19):
and fans. We regret this incident, have learned from it,
and are committed to ensuring it doesn't happen again.
Speaker 8 (03:25):
Please accept our deepest apologies.
Speaker 9 (03:27):
They were fighting with each other, yeah, oh yeah, so
that was what wasn't clear. People on social media were
trying to say they like, oh, got drunk, we're fighting
with other people in Ireland, and then some sett as
a father's son, which look based on how the game
ended and by the way Aby Johnson played well, I thought,
you know, Iowa State is a tough defense to go
(03:48):
up against.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
I gave you a nugget. Now.
Speaker 9 (03:50):
John Haycock's defense has held opponents over the last five
years to an average of like.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
Under twenty two to twenty three points. They only gave
it twenty one.
Speaker 9 (03:58):
It's like there you go, Like That's State is one
of the more consistent programs you'll find in college football,
there's no reason to get frustrated about it. However, I
understand again Avery Johnson, a guy who they thought his
breakout year was last year.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
This year, you know, who knows what will end up doing.
Speaker 9 (04:14):
But you know, clearly some frustration from the parents with
how that game went and starting off the season.
Speaker 5 (04:18):
One one, what are you doing?
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Like you you've got your son pinned down on the
ground with your fore arm across his throat and you're
throwing punches at him. And a puddle in a puddle
outside of the state, big old puzzle that your that
your other.
Speaker 5 (04:33):
Son just played in. Wait, what are you doing?
Speaker 4 (04:37):
We're not talking about a co ed puddle. We're talking
about a puddle.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
No, No, it was not a co ed puddle at all.
Speaker 6 (04:43):
Oh it was it was that deep. That's one of
them could have drowned in that puddle.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
It was deep.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
That's just I don't know, man, Like they want to
keep going though, Like I think once to one, I
think it was the the what was it the son?
Speaker 6 (04:59):
I think once he realized how wet he got doing it,
it was just like we might as well just keep going,
you know, like, let's let's go ahead and get another rounded.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
I mean, that's wow, really good top control by the father.
I would say that.
Speaker 6 (05:16):
He did stay on top of him, like he was
like a half a centimeter away from drowning him. Man Like,
if that puddle was any deeper, dude would have been
taken on water through the nostrils and nothing like.
Speaker 5 (05:29):
But like LeVar, think about this.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Imagine your son just finishes playing a game at Penn
State and finds out that there's a video of you
and your other son fist fighting in the parking lot,
Like how do you how does it?
Speaker 9 (05:45):
How do you get over that you're missing where this
is all directed at? Like, what we really need to
do is take a moment right now. And this is
a little difficult, give it everyone's personal situations. And I
don't know why Lee just went off stream yard. Maybe
he felt like there was coming towards him, Like who
would be most likely to get in a fight with
(06:06):
their dad in a public place?
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Lee? Maybe Jonas. I don't I don't really know.
Speaker 6 (06:14):
I mean, I guess it would be impossible for Jonas.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
Back in the day.
Speaker 6 (06:19):
We're just don't get a hypothetical, Jonas. Now you don't
have to be so literal, Geez, who would be better
at walking their dog? Brady Jonas or LeVar?
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Like?
Speaker 6 (06:32):
We get it, bro, Like just play too though, Yeah,
so are mine. I just got a new one that's
all replace them, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Geez?
Speaker 5 (06:46):
No, I would, I would. I would have never never.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Fought my dad.
Speaker 8 (06:51):
I'd fight him in the street.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
I bet Lee would. It would have to be Lee, right, yeah?
And Lee would? You would you get your ass kicked
by your dad though you think you beat up your dad.
Here's the only thing. Here's the only thing I'd say.
Speaker 9 (07:05):
About this is Lee is sneaky athletic. I mean the
hesitation move he put on that security card. He did
double bro, He damn near lost his achilles right there.
Speaker 5 (07:17):
He put that.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Put they found out he had five toes.
Speaker 5 (07:23):
He put that guy.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
He put that guy in a clown suit on national radio.
And then the guy had the nerve to come back
over later in the week and try and hang out.
Speaker 5 (07:33):
Dude, pick up your shoes you left over there? Would great?
Throw too on the money.
Speaker 6 (07:40):
Throw That's hilarious. I would never fight my dad. Just
so we're clear, Yeah, never. I just feel like I'm
going straight to hell if I ever like dishonored my
father in any way like I would, I would never
fight my dad.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Just imagine Avery Johnson opens up social media and goes, wait, dad,
he's got a sunpinning down beating his ass in a puddle.
Speaker 5 (08:09):
What do we doing?
Speaker 3 (08:11):
Dude? Like, what are we doing? Well?
Speaker 5 (08:14):
Hey, that sucks, but you know, living, you'll learn.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
And uh, there's probably a couple of a couple of
pops mixed in there too that probably led to leather
the skirmish or the Donnybrook if you will. All right,
it is two pros and a cup of Joe here
on Fox Sports Radio. Now we transition over smoothly to
something that must be discussed because we are all about
(08:40):
checking the boxes here, all right, It's all about playing
the hits. Lvar's guy should or Sanders had a little
bit of a rough rough go.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Over bars guy a little bit of a rough go
of it.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
This weekend look looked a little bit different than the
previous game that he participate in. You know, he took
a bunch of bad sacks. I think he completed three
passes through for I think negative fourteen yards something like that,
but not all that great. And so now the the
(09:17):
conversation becomes what next. He wanted to stay in for
the final two minute drive. Kevin Stefanski pulled him out
and said, no, we're just we're gonna go with Snoop,
who later got released. And so now the discussion turns
to what happens with Shador. It appears like he's going
to make the roster.
Speaker 5 (09:38):
But I don't know how anybody could argue that.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
You know, he climbs the depth chart above Dylan Gabriel
after what we've seen, I think that sit sailed.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
Now Here's the thing is, no one's trying to make
that argument.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Now.
Speaker 9 (09:49):
What the argument they're trying to make is that Kevin
Stefanski is it out for him and the Browns organization
organization has it out for Shador Sanders And this was
all a setup, you know, the position they put him in,
the plays they called during when he was in the
game versus Dylan Gabriel. I was actually so motivated, I'll
(10:11):
put it that way, by social media last night to
go back through and break down all of this, just
to kind of put it to bed. There are so
many misconceptions with what's being spewed on social media, and look,
maybe they're just people who are trying to gaslight. Like
maybe that's what this is and that's what social media
is kind of be coming now, is you got to
(10:32):
get a reaction out of people, so you have to
say things that are just absolutely ridiculous. Or there's just
certain people who viewed this world in a certain prison
and that's not going to change. And those people seem
to come out of the woodwork for sports when they
never lived there in the first place. And by the way,
like here's the things that I heard. You know, the
(10:52):
play calls when Dylan Gabriel was in were quick hitters
and you got the ball out quicker. And then when
Shador goes in there, these mass protection take forever. But
he's getting sacked all the time, even though they knew
they couldn't protect him. Okay, let's break that down quick.
You don't know what the biggest difference was between Dylan
Gabriel and Shadoor Sanders. When Dylan Gabriel got to his
(11:13):
back foot, he was decisive, he got the ball out
of his hand. Shadoor Sanders had a number of opportunities
to go to his first read or second read or
an underneath route that he chose not to go to
That's not on Dylan Gabriel, the coaching staff, or anyone else.
And it's one of the things I brought up in
the last time that we saw Dylan Gabriel out and
really when Shaduor played well too, they both looked good.
(11:36):
The difference was there was something chrispian quick about Dylan
Gabriel and just how he kind of has an understanding
for the timing and rhythm of NFL offenses when the
ball is thrown with timing and anticipation. Chadar took a
lot of sacks in college, and it wasn't just because
his old line wasn't great. It wasn't great at Colorado.
He holds onto the football for an eternity. So that's
(11:59):
the first issue I was an issue in college. It
seemed to be a bit of an issue at least
in the two preseason games we've seen, even when he
played well in the first one, the ball wasn't coming
out quite as quick. The other issue he has, and
one of the reasons why a lot of the pressure
and things were exacerbated, is because Dylan Gabriel, if you
watch him when he gets to the back of the pocket,
he steps up, he works through it, he kind of
(12:21):
navigates up back towards the line of scrimmage. Shador does
something very similar. And by the way, it's not just Shador.
I said this about Bryce Young his rookie season. After
I call it a game. A lot of these college
quarterbacks they get in this bad habit of when they
drop back, they turn their hips parallel to the line
of scrimmage. It right away eliminates half the field. If
(12:41):
you're a right handed quarterback and your hips are parallel
to the line of scrimmage as you're standing there in
the pocket or trying to navigate where to go, Yes,
you can run forward, but you've cut off the entire
right half of the field at least being able to
throw down the field, midfield, anywhere. Maybe you can adjust,
turn quickly throw something short, but it's the middle field
to the left side of the field. The defense has
(13:02):
already won. They already don't have to cover half the
field because they got you to get into a bad
habit of opening your hips like that. You know, you'd
like to be like a boxer climbing up through the pocket,
maintaining the ability to throw your right hand, so your
really hips should be perpendicular to the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
So Bryce Young had that habit.
Speaker 9 (13:23):
He was able to kind of kick it a bit
last year too, and some of what he was doing
because naturally, when you drop back like that, you get
the back of the pocket, you want to run out
to the sides. You don't want to actually step up
into the pocket where that's your safe have and that's
your safe one. That's how the cod line coach is
coaching those tackles to push those edge rushers by you.
But you have to set the pocket then step up
(13:44):
into it. So he's got to figure out a way
of developing that habit and kicking this old kind of
college habit that a lot of quarterbacks fall into the
habit of when they transition from college to the NFL. Now,
you know, was he playing with the best guys ones
and twos? No, but doing Gabrielle had to deal with
that sometimes too, And by the way, as a quarterback,
(14:05):
you have to deal with that at times, you know.
I remember playing in Denver last game of the season
when I was with the Chiefs. We had a backup
left tackle. We had a guard who we had just
signed I think two or three weeks prior another guard
who we signed like week four during the season, we
had another player who was wearing a club on his
right hand. I mean it was as patched work as
(14:25):
you can get. And guess who they had, Von Miller
one side, DeMarcus Ware on the other. Have fun going
up against that, Like, that's what you're gonna be tasked with.
So this is just a preseason game, Like, we don't
need to overreact about the performance of Shador Sanders and
make this a racial thing or make.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
This a Kevin Stefanski and this team has that out
for him.
Speaker 9 (14:42):
It's not the case, man, Like you can try to
do that and try to peep perpetuating on social media.
It is the biggest lie if you want to buy
into that, because there's not one lineman that I've ever
met that's like, oh, Shadoor's in, I'm gonna go and
throw in the towel on my career and play so
he gets sacked or he doesn't shine.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
Let him get hit, Yeah, let him get hit.
Speaker 9 (15:05):
Like what player have you ever heard of who's doing
their best to make an NFL roster Not just the Browns,
because those guys have to play for every other team
too that they're on film for, and pray to God
they get picked up either by the Browns their practice
squad or somewhere else on an active roster of practice squad.
So can we just stop this? It's madness, it really is.
(15:26):
Someone try to compare to t Bow. I said, let
me just first explain this to you about Tebow. Should
Door could throw the football? It starts it ends there,
like there's no comparison between those two. Should Door could
play at the NFL level throwing the football?
Speaker 4 (15:41):
All right?
Speaker 9 (15:42):
Like that's just and that's not me like it's been
anything other than pointing out the fact to you that
like he could sling it.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
That was Tim's biggest issue coming into.
Speaker 9 (15:51):
The NFL is there was a lot of concern about
whether or not he could at the NFL level do it,
should or can do it.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
So don't try to compare, like, oh, it's the thing,
No it's not.
Speaker 9 (16:01):
It's completely different. It's a completely different scenario, circumstances. What
Shador entered into, what Tim entered into, what Tim struggles were,
what you know, it's being asked of Shador right now.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
It's like it's night and day, so I know it's
stop the badness.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Man.
Speaker 6 (16:16):
What's funny about that part of it is Tim Tebow
was more relevant to the conversation than Shador Sanders or
Dylan Gabriel because he was closer to getting onto the field.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
Right.
Speaker 6 (16:30):
He wasn't a third string he was. He was slated
as the backup when he came in, and he was
the third string.
Speaker 9 (16:34):
I was on that team, and this is why, like
I know, in depth knowledge, you can talk on it,
but you will not have a clue.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
I've been on it.
Speaker 9 (16:39):
I've been in a road game before where I was
warming up or he went down. Then next week They're like, hey,
Tim's gonna go in, and I looked at the coaches
like what did this happen?
Speaker 3 (16:48):
Yeah, that's what I mean. I thought he was because
he ended up playing in the playoffs, right, and.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
He played awful well. That was the second year. That
was when John Fox got there, and yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
I thought he would.
Speaker 6 (16:57):
I thought he was second on the depth chart, so
I thought that it would be more relevant.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
But if he was third, then it is it's more
relevant to be.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
Well, and he played.
Speaker 9 (17:05):
If you saw him in the preseason, it was like, again,
if you saw those games, you're kind of like, all right,
and that's why.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
Some of the players were even surprised and shocked by it.
But I digress.
Speaker 9 (17:15):
The only comparison there was was in regards to the
fandom and the pushing behind one to get them in.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Like, there's definitely validity to that.
Speaker 6 (17:25):
And I would just say the whole you said, the
let's not get you know, what was it out.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
Of control about or whatever it may be.
Speaker 6 (17:33):
Like why there, why are we overreacting over a third
and fourth string quarterback.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
That's like, let's start there. It's you know, let's start there.
Speaker 6 (17:42):
Like the phenomenon of it all is that Shador Sanders
is the driving factor of the topic and and that's it.
That is it, even Shiloh getting getting waived and all
that stuff, major story driving lines, like he was probably
(18:02):
not going to make the team anyway, but it's it's
such a big driving story. It's an engine to a
vehicle that is very leverageable and very usable. And that's
what's happening here. If Dylan Gabriel and Shador Sanders were
battling it out for one and two, this is a
(18:23):
relevant conversation. I don't even know that they're saying that
Kenny Pickett is going to be available for Week one,
which means that they're planning on rolling with Kenny Pickett
on on the roster. So one of these guys is
going to be on the practice squad and one of
(18:43):
these guys probably won't even be activated on game day.
It's probably going to be Kenny Pickett and Joe Flacco.
And like I said, I think Joe Flacco is a
rent a QB and Kenny Pickett is still someone that
the verdict.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Is out on him, like or not yet out on him.
Speaker 6 (19:03):
He's young enough where you could say, can he resurrect
his career or is he heading down the direction of
being a career backup. We don't know what Kenny Pickett's
going to be. But the more relevant conversation is what's
gonna happen with Joe Flacco leading this team. What's gonna
happen If Joe Flacco can do it, it's probably gonna
be Kenny Pickett's team to try.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
To figure it out.
Speaker 6 (19:26):
There's all kinds of debates and discussions about two dudes
that aren't even going to touch the field.
Speaker 5 (19:33):
And by the way, the.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Reason Dylan Gabriel is being talked about as much as
he is as a third rounder, is because was taken
in the same draft.
Speaker 5 (19:41):
He's not even white, but he's he's.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
Like, we're making this like, oh, they're doing him so wrong.
Oh god, it's still at Gabriel's a minority.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
Two people.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Stop it. Either one of them are going to play.
Speaker 5 (19:57):
Why do you let me ask you?
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Why do you guys think that Shador has been picked?
You know, like because everybody gets like from time to time,
somebody gets chosen.
Speaker 5 (20:06):
You know, you mentioned Tebow, you mentioned Shador, Like, why
do you think it's it's the same.
Speaker 6 (20:13):
Well, the amount of content and what Tim Tebow did
as a good person was brilliant because it built a
brand and then the man made the quote and went
and won a national title with one of the more
dominant football teams in college football.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
But isn't it Don't you think it's because like that
just shows you the job that Dion did.
Speaker 6 (20:35):
And it was really that became like it's it's Dion's brand,
and it's Dion's son that built Shadoor, built Dion Senior,
and built uh Shiloh's brands while they were were coming
up in college.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
That was a one win program that a year later
was having rock concerts before games.
Speaker 6 (20:58):
You want to know, the one common threat between Tim
Tebow and the comparison is they they both players have
truly tapped into the Christian community. If we want to
take it a step deeper, when you get the Christian
community behind you, they jump all on it and it's
not really about anything other than God will serve and protect.
(21:22):
And when you bring God into it, and it's like
this is a God thing, and this is this is
something that was was spiritually deemed, this was something that
was divinely ordered and stuff like that. Once you get
people on that that praise train, and then they got
you in their prayer groups, like you had prayer groups
(21:42):
for Sador Sanders, Like, come on, man, you see what's
going on abroad, people getting bombed.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
All kind of stuff.
Speaker 6 (21:49):
I don't know that Jesus Christ is worrying about who's
going to start for the Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
I just don't know.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
The religious component I think was more applicable to Tebow
because you know, he was no.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
No, it's very it's very equal, bro.
Speaker 9 (22:07):
Two different churches, probably though I don't know. I don't
know might be Baptist.
Speaker 5 (22:12):
I don't know was a virgin.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
That's very true.
Speaker 6 (22:19):
His level of approach to Christianity was much much more
different and much more pronounced than Doors, but not more
than Dion's.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
Keep that.
Speaker 9 (22:32):
Jonasman accusations about Tibo losing his virginity to Jill at some.
Speaker 5 (22:37):
Point, But hey, haven't we all?
Speaker 3 (22:41):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (22:44):
So I think if.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
You're looking for answers there, just look at your left palm.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
By the way, Lee was And I didn't get what
he meant by this. But Lee was saying earlier that
you know, in's church there is a lot more singing.
And I didn't know what what that was all about.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
That was crazy, Lee, What were you?
Speaker 5 (23:02):
What did you mean by that?
Speaker 8 (23:04):
That was just a much, you know, much more engaging crowd.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Okay, yeah, yeah, I wasn't sure. Just trying to figure
that out with your meeting. What you're trying to imply there, Labar,
I didn't know what he was trying to imply there.
Speaker 6 (23:17):
I don't know, man, like you're trying to say church
is just singing when it's a black church liked God,
dang bro. I can guarantee you that Tim Tebow was
in the same type of chase, probably like Pentecostal or
you know, something to that effect, like where it was
mixed crowds of people. Don't Mega churches ain't worried about
(23:37):
what your color is these days. They just worried about
if you're tapping or if you're swiping up one of
those those those uh one of them atm machines before
you come into the House of God in the sanctuary,
because it ain't free to worship.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
They say it is, but it ain't.
Speaker 6 (23:53):
Somebody got to pay these bills, you know, for this nice, big,
beautiful church, in this great sound system. Somebody got to
be able to pay for it, gassing up that jets
so they could fly privately to go bless somebody when
they get there. I mean some of these things, some
of them have two jets, you know, because the Lord
has been good to them. So I'm just saying, when
(24:14):
you get the Christian community involved, they go all in
and I'm while I'm like joking, like I'm really like
lightweight joking, I'm being dead serious. I'm being dead serious.
That is the issue that you're going to run into.
It's like either it's either Greeks it's either Greek society, right,
(24:35):
so you see how like certain people were chosen and
climbed to relevance like Colin Kaepernick, or now we see
how how much support you know, Ryan Clark has garnered
and the things that he says, and a lot of
people say it's racially driven, but it's also it's it's
there's a back story, a back plot to all of it.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
And those are Greeks. They're Greeks, and they get behind it.
Speaker 6 (25:01):
They get behind it, they push the narrative, and they're
very very strong in how they get their messages out
and they catches hold and these figures become way more
sympathetic figures to a specific group of people than to
anything else. This topic is really an irrelevant topic. It
really is. Neither one of them will play a significant
(25:24):
role for the Cleveland Browns foreseeably in the near future.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Wow, it's a non topic.
Speaker 9 (25:31):
I'm not going that far because I do think, well,
here's the reality is Joe Flacco's forty.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
He's gonna start the season.
Speaker 9 (25:39):
I don't know if he's gonna finish it, but recent
history has told us that it'll take more than one
quarterback for the Browns. To finish the season. I mean,
hell was like that when I was there. So if
that's the case, and both these guys are on the roster,
which mind you, it sounds like they're gonna keep four,
there's a lot of time before the start of the season.
We've seen a lot of movement with teams trading for
various quarterbacks. Sam how obviously just got traded to be
(26:00):
a backup with the Eagles, whether he's second, third string, whatever,
There's still a lot of time. So I would say
I don't know that they're going to necessarily factor in
right away, but I'm not writing them off not playing
this year or factoring at some point this season. Yeah,
but let's let's be real about this, like this is football.
(26:20):
Like none of these guys who are coaching a team,
who are evaluating players who are on these teams, are.
Speaker 4 (26:27):
Trying to do anything other than win.
Speaker 9 (26:29):
I know we like to play out the conspiracy theories
and everything else, but all these players are out there
trying to do the best they can to win. No
one was throwing in the towel for Shador, no one
was calling poor plays for shaudor there's things that he's
got to work on to improve upon, because what you
saw was not just shoud Or work with threes and fours.
Speaker 4 (26:47):
Right and Dylan Gaberl working with ones and twos.
Speaker 9 (26:51):
It was the difference between how one guy has made
strides and you know, processing and spreading the football around
and getting down with in the offense first another and
mind you don't Gabriels played more football than Shador, so
there's that element of it too where it's like he's
seen a lot more, done a lot more at the
college level before he came, you know, to the NFL level,
so he should be further along than we're Shadors at
(27:13):
this point.
Speaker 5 (27:15):
Yeah, well we're pretty far along on this show.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
I know that.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
And you can catch this show on its brand new
YouTube channel. Just go to YouTube dot com forward slash
at two pros FSR, or if you're already within YouTube,
just search two pros FSR. Be sure to hit the
subscribe button. You'll have instant access to the very best
videos from the show. Go check out the brand new
channel again. Just search two pros FSR on YouTube and subscribe.
(27:40):
Coming up next here though, somebody has identified a problem
within their organization. They're trying to get rid of it
you'll hear them next here on FSR.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Errington and
Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern three am Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio App.
Speaker 10 (28:02):
Hey, Steve Covino and I'm Rich David and together We're
Covino and Rich on Fox Sports Radio. You could catch
us weekdays from five to seven pm Eastern two to
four Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and of course the
iHeartRadio App.
Speaker 5 (28:14):
Why should you listen to Covino and Rich.
Speaker 10 (28:16):
We talk about everything life, sports, relationships, what's going on
in the world. We have a lot of fun talking
about the stories behind the stories in the world of
sports and pop culture, stories that well other shows don't
seem to have the time to discuss. And the fact
that we've been friends for the last twenty years and
still work together. I mean that says something, right, So
check us out. We like to get you involved too,
(28:37):
take your phone calls, chop it up. As they say,
I'd say the most interactive show on Fox Sports Radio,
maybe the most interactive show on planetar. Be sure to
check out Covino and Rich live on Fox Sports Radio
and the iHeartRadio app from five to seven pm Eastern
two to four Pacific, and if you miss any of
the live show, just search Covino and Rich wherever you
get your podcasts, and of course on social media that's
Covino and Rich.
Speaker 11 (29:00):
Loudest, I I I Biggest, the loudest.
Speaker 6 (29:13):
Just say I, I I biggest, the LOARGESTI.
Speaker 5 (29:20):
I two pros and a cup of Joe.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Fox Sports Radio, LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with the.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
Air is the Loudest.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Coming up in about ten minutes from now, we are
going to have the FI I are.
Speaker 5 (29:36):
That'll be yours here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
No Lie, no Lie.
Speaker 9 (29:47):
I was listening to him on Spotify and my dad like, kay,
I get a little born.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
We work out, and he walked in. He goes, child,
what the hell is this? I was like, it's Texas
Wrap Chopper and he smoking a.
Speaker 9 (30:01):
Cigar and he keeps walking around going a you know,
it's it's kind of like is a DJ called who?
Speaker 4 (30:11):
They always start off like his songs.
Speaker 9 (30:12):
Were like we don't know, yeah yeah, another one like
yeah forget there's there's there's a few others.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
Yeah, he does a couple of them.
Speaker 4 (30:19):
But I would say there's a couple of groups.
Speaker 9 (30:21):
Like they always have that like tag or that phrase
they start songs off with.
Speaker 4 (30:24):
His is always the a.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
Yeah he does Yeah, there you go. It's a good
points is like, oh my gosh, what do you mean?
Speaker 6 (30:34):
If I were to try to do it, I'd say, hey.
Speaker 9 (30:39):
You know, if if Jonas was trying to do it,
what he would say is this, he'd say, look, good
sleep starts with a good mattress from sleep experts, to
find my perfect mattress from the proof selection guys. So
the great sleep you deserve, visit mattress for him to
the best sale of the year.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
They make sleep easy. And it's not just sleep, it's
a fear of the things too.
Speaker 6 (30:58):
Yeah, sticks, I mean, deliver a little bluetoo on his
side of that little Matches firm.
Speaker 5 (31:07):
Mike Rabel.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Mike Rabel's got a red ass about something. Jonas jalen
Polk jalen Polk. There was some speculation, Hey, how serious
was you know the injury that he suffered, uh, you know,
is going to knock him out for a few weeks.
What are we looking at then it turns out no,
looks like he's probably gonna miss the entire year. Mike
(31:32):
Rabel was asked about this story and had this to say.
Speaker 10 (31:35):
A report today that Jalen Polk will have to have
system and shoulder surgery.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
Can you add anything to that?
Speaker 9 (31:41):
No, I don't know, other than I'd like to find
out where some of these come from.
Speaker 4 (31:45):
You know, some of these rats around here, So we'll
figure that out.
Speaker 5 (31:49):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
Gotta flush about you gotta flush about right. Loose lips
sink ships. There are rats in the building, and the
rats need to be right.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
Got disred, Yes, annoying.
Speaker 5 (32:07):
Right, all right.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Aaron Rodgers said the same thing about the Jets. Too
many leaks, too many stuff getting out, And Mike Vrabel's
trying to turn around the culture there, all right. He's
trying to do what Belichick did there for all those years.
Because there's too many damn rats in the building. I
can't even keep a guy's health status quiet because we
got people trying to go to the media.
Speaker 5 (32:27):
It's a problem. Do you guys have rats in your
locker room?
Speaker 4 (32:31):
First off, go ahead, you go ahead, far.
Speaker 6 (32:33):
I was going to just say, I wonder what that
team meeting was, if it was before he addressed the
media or after he addressed the media, Cuz I gotta
tell you when a when a coach feels that way,
it's one of the most disrespectful feelings. And I know
as a coach because I had I had players and
not the high school level. I had players acting like
(32:56):
I was a bully. Can you imagine that me being
a bully to my players?
Speaker 3 (33:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (33:01):
Actually, besides that guy in the auction, you know, I
can't affoid that guy.
Speaker 5 (33:09):
I can't.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
Like the nerve, the nerve of these little young mother efforts.
Got to do that.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
Some guy with a double double lung transplant. He's walking
around with like oxygen machine. LaVar's like the LeVar is
pinching the cord. LaVar gave me somef like that.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
I mean, he's lucky.
Speaker 5 (33:32):
How you like that they're doing?
Speaker 1 (33:34):
They're doing Patento lines. They pan over and LaVar is
giving the guy a smile.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
He better be lucky. I didn't cut off that oxygen.
Speaker 6 (33:43):
And take cord LaVar and plum a little pinch, A
little pinch on little board.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
Anyway, anybody got a closing her hair. It's just one
of the most.
Speaker 6 (33:54):
It's one of the most disrespectful feelings that you can
feel because you're dealing with you're dealing with what you're
dealing with with so many You just saw what Bill
Belichick had to say about, you know, the culture of
the New England Patriots with all of the staff that
they had grown through the years, and what it turned
(34:17):
into and the more people made it less direct less
direct made it harder to have success when you have
all these people and they have all these different roles,
and people have all these different people to answer to.
It's like, Okay, I know the head coaches, the head coach,
but what do they truly represent? Do I go to
(34:37):
him for this? Do I go to him for everything?
Speaker 3 (34:40):
Like?
Speaker 6 (34:40):
What does it represent? And I think when these things
happen sometimes it's not just the players that are part
of these these snitching deals and rat deals. A lot
of people assume immediately when these things are discussed and
talked about that it's a player. It's not always he's
necessarily a player. It could be someone else. And I
(35:06):
find it to be pretty interesting if Mike, because knowing
how Mike is, you know, I know Mike, I'll say
pretty good, not I wouldn't venture into well, I'd say
I know him pretty good just off of the surface,
and how I know he is mentality wise, he's probably
a little petty. He's probably a little petty. And if
(35:28):
he finds out and figures out who it is that
has these relationships with the media that are allowing that
inside information to get out to the media and get
out to the public, it's going to be some interesting
smoke in the city when he finds out who it is.
(35:48):
And I just wonder how is he going to go
about doing it. Is it going to be corporately done,
Is it going to be done by the books? Or
is it going to be petty? You know, like, is
somebody going to have a rat sitting in their car?
They're gonna have little little mice, little hamster, hamster will
in there in there, in there, you know, in their
in their office.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
I mean, he finds, he finds out who it is,
and there's just they walk into their office.
Speaker 5 (36:13):
There's a rat land in there. It's a good move,
good move.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 5 (36:18):
You got to take care of that crap.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
I believe he'll find them.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
There's nothing you hate more than a rat, is it
It's just I don't understand what anybody would gain from
going to the media to leak inside information from the building.
I don't like, what what are you trying? Are they
paying you for it? Is it TMZ giving you a
few bucks, you know, for your story? And then you know,
like you're making a little cash off it, Like what
(36:42):
if you if you're somebody from the Patriots, why would
you be going to the Boston Globe with injury news
or statuses on players that they don't want to come
out of the building.
Speaker 5 (36:53):
What does it do for you? Like, I just don't
understand it.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
I can't wrap my mind around it. And that's probably
why Rabel's like, what are we doing here? So it's
too bad? But that's sorry. They're gonna finish second in
that division.
Speaker 4 (37:07):
Lorena Lee, just you take notice.
Speaker 9 (37:09):
Jonas hates rats, right, cheese They might have been one
of Chuck e cheese.
Speaker 4 (37:14):
But he hates them.
Speaker 5 (37:15):
Technically a mouse, you know, rat, right.
Speaker 6 (37:19):
He's a rat, biggest rat, the rat hey By coming
up next here though it is a Monday tradition.
Speaker 5 (37:28):
It's the FSR I R right here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
Be sure to catch live editions of two Pros and
a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Arrington, and
Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern, three am Pacific.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe, Fox Sports Radio,
LeVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you here coming
up top of next hour. We'll call it a little
over ten minutes from now here on FSR, we are
going to tell you about one move that's already been
made in the NFL recently, when it comes to a quarterback.
That'll be yours here on Fox Sports Radio. Before we
get to our FSR. I R though, with the iHeartRadio app,
(38:05):
you can stream us wherever you happen to be.
Speaker 5 (38:07):
Catch us in all of our.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
Fox Sports Radio shows live twenty four to seven and
the new and improved iHeartRadio app. Just search Fox Sports
Radio in the app to stream us live all day,
every day, and be sure to select Fox Sports Radio
is one of your presets in the iHeart app, so
it will always pop up at the top of your screen.
Speaker 4 (38:24):
After your sports week APT happens.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
So it's time to get the FSR IR report.
Speaker 5 (38:32):
All right, who's got something spill it?
Speaker 6 (38:35):
I've already told you all my knees jacked up. So
moving on, got dad on the blink.
Speaker 3 (38:41):
Damn.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
App Lorrain is on an on an I R right
now because Lee just fumigated.
Speaker 8 (38:50):
The studio first.
Speaker 5 (38:52):
He was even a little upset about it.
Speaker 8 (38:55):
Yeah, not my proudest moment.
Speaker 5 (38:57):
What's ridiculous, Russ the bar? What's either guy?
Speaker 3 (39:02):
Man?
Speaker 6 (39:04):
If that's that's repulsive, it's revolting, it's it's despicable.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
It just shows the level of man that that Lee is. Like,
that's ridiculous.
Speaker 6 (39:16):
Man Like, Lee, excuse yourself from the room, bro, Like,
go somewhere where no one will be offended by how
funky your ass.
Speaker 8 (39:26):
Is offending myself today.
Speaker 5 (39:30):
That was the part that's ridiculous.
Speaker 8 (39:32):
She hasn't noticed, he said, He said, I've been doing
it the whole shift.
Speaker 5 (39:35):
You didn't notice.
Speaker 8 (39:36):
I said, that's just not true, because nothing you do
like you can't have one that's.
Speaker 5 (39:40):
Horrible and then four that aren't.
Speaker 8 (39:42):
I just did it.
Speaker 5 (39:42):
No, they come from the same spot.
Speaker 8 (39:44):
That's just not true.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
It's ridiculous.
Speaker 8 (39:46):
You're disgusting.
Speaker 6 (39:47):
Means your breath stinks too, bruh, and your armpits and
any other offices that you have you just a my.
Speaker 5 (39:54):
Effort like you've been ripping all day?
Speaker 2 (39:58):
I have?
Speaker 5 (39:59):
Would you?
Speaker 4 (40:00):
Last night?
Speaker 8 (40:01):
What did I have? I think we had a micro
uh an oven pizza.
Speaker 3 (40:05):
Who is? Who is? We?
Speaker 8 (40:06):
Me and my old man?
Speaker 3 (40:08):
Oh that's where you're staying these days.
Speaker 8 (40:11):
I was just hanging out with him, eating pizza, letting
it go.
Hosts And Creators
Brady Quinn
LaVar Arrington
Jonas Knox
Popular Podcasts
Stuff You Should Know
If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Football’s funniest family duo — Jason Kelce of the Philadelphia Eagles and Travis Kelce of the Kansas City Chiefs — team up to provide next-level access to life in the league as it unfolds. The two brothers and Super Bowl champions drop weekly insights about the weekly slate of games and share their INSIDE perspectives on trending NFL news and sports headlines. They also endlessly rag on each other as brothers do, chat the latest in pop culture and welcome some very popular and well-known friends to chat with them. Check out new episodes every Wednesday. Follow New Heights on the Wondery App, YouTube or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to new episodes early and ad-free, and get exclusive content on Wondery+. Join Wondery+ in the Wondery App, Apple Podcasts or Spotify. And join our new membership for a unique fan experience by going to the New Heights YouTube channel now!