Best of 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe

Monday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, Iowa State upsets Kansas State in Dublin, putting a bad beat on Jonas and Brady. Shedeur Sanders struggles in his preseason finale but conspiracy theories about sabotage need to be shut down. And Carson Wentz lands on his 6th team as cut-down days approach.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
It's the best of two pros and a couple with
Lamar are Rating Winn and Jonas Knox on radio.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
We've got actual it counts football to recap here on
a Monday morning.

Speaker 3 (00:20):
How the hell was you there?

Speaker 4 (00:21):
Boys? How would feeling good? All right, guys, how y'all doing?

Speaker 5 (00:32):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (00:33):
How are you doing? Buddy?

Speaker 4 (00:35):
Real good?

Speaker 5 (00:36):
You know, taking a day by day, step by step,
brick by brick, one percent every.

Speaker 4 (00:41):
Day, you know what I mean, Phil good?

Speaker 3 (00:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (00:43):
I got to see some soccer this weekend, my lady lines.
They took on the Mountaineers of West Virginia. I led
the march, you know, the initial march for their first
game of the season. I was banging drums and doing chance.

Speaker 4 (00:57):
Really good man, what yeah? Yeah, so I was doing
so you.

Speaker 3 (01:03):
Just all over the place out there at Happy Valley. Huh.

Speaker 5 (01:05):
Well, somebody's got to bring the attention to the boys
that have never really had.

Speaker 4 (01:11):
Attention, you know, so you must see.

Speaker 5 (01:13):
Yeah, that's all just trying to make things better, brighter,
you know, clearer futures.

Speaker 4 (01:18):
You know, that's that's what I do.

Speaker 5 (01:19):
You know, I just like to get involved, you know,
I don't really like to sit on the bench. And
watch or even be on the culture and the stands.
You know, I take my rickety crookeety broken down legs,
those knees. They was saying like, what deaf are you doing?
You know, why are you doing this? You have nothing
to prove? Just support them, We don't need to be

(01:40):
doing this.

Speaker 4 (01:40):
But nonetheless I forced them. I forced them to move.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
And is that a taxing like physically thing?

Speaker 5 (01:48):
You know, just walking around is taxing? Bro At some
point I'm going to have to now. I hope it's
not a knee replacement, but my left knee generally tells
me that there's something that is going to have to
happen at something point at some point, and then my
back one hundred percent. That's why this whole Matthew Stafford

(02:09):
thing is such a big ordeal to me.

Speaker 4 (02:12):
I just when when it's.

Speaker 5 (02:14):
Not an ache and paign in the muscle, but it
has something to do with like the disc and the
spine itself. It's a big topic because it's how do
you get through it? You know, is it going to
be epidorals or is it like what is it going
to be? Because you're not going to get that to
go away. It's not going anyway. It's not going anywhere

(02:36):
like maybe they do the you know injections into you know,
the you know, the the disc you know what is that,
the pake platelet stuff and all that to try to
make it regenerate or feel a little better that way.

Speaker 4 (02:49):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (02:50):
But now my back says no, Like my mind says yes,
but my back says no every single day.

Speaker 4 (02:58):
So there you go.

Speaker 5 (02:59):
So yeah, but you learn, like anything else, right, you
learn to deal with it. But I'm starting to get
that quasi moto type phiel to me where I gotta
fight to keep myself straight versus that.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
You got that you got terrible posture, terrible pasture.

Speaker 4 (03:14):
Thank you. Also, I've always walked.

Speaker 3 (03:18):
You got that O G walk though, too. You know.

Speaker 4 (03:20):
There you go.

Speaker 6 (03:21):
I remember, I remember in the locker room. You see
some dudes you walk like that. Man, that's that's right there.

Speaker 5 (03:27):
There you go, because that that s is banged up. Yeah,
the O G. The O G is say yet, young buck,
that back is banged up. You dig what I'm saying.
That lean, that gangster Leane.

Speaker 3 (03:42):
He's got that bad pasture.

Speaker 4 (03:45):
It is. It's horrible posture, it really is.

Speaker 5 (03:48):
But it's not on purpose, and it's not without you know,
with merits and and some some malage some.

Speaker 4 (03:55):
Work to go with it. But anyways, it was a
good weekend.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
I have a question about epidural How many can you get?
Like at some point I.

Speaker 6 (04:02):
Got three, and at that point I was like, all right,
we're done with this.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
How long?

Speaker 3 (04:09):
How long are you good for? It's not good for
they they.

Speaker 6 (04:15):
They they're like trying to see if your body responds
to it.

Speaker 3 (04:19):
So to Lvar's point, when you've got like.

Speaker 6 (04:21):
A disk issue, usually there's you know, something that's gonna
be bulging hernade or whatever the phrase is. Usually they're
trying to get whatever's around it to reduce the inflammation
since it doesn't get a ton of blood flow through
that area, and then if it doesn't.

Speaker 3 (04:34):
It's just going to keep persisting.

Speaker 6 (04:35):
So they try to take out a chunk or take
out the whole thing, you know, whatever the doctor decides.
But typically they'll they'll give a few rounds of it
to try to see if it works. My issue was
we did something where I kept getting spinal fluid leaks,
which that's like the worst. I don't wish that on
anyone like that was one of the worst things to

(04:56):
go through with back issues ever.

Speaker 4 (05:00):
Dude, it is.

Speaker 6 (05:02):
It is so terrible to deal with, like your quality
of life is immediately zapped away.

Speaker 3 (05:08):
Like it makes me.

Speaker 6 (05:09):
It changed my appreciation. I tell my kids this all
the time. Like my daughter at two games yesterday. After
the first one, she's like, I'm kind of tired, and
I was like, hey, you got two legs and you
can walk, and you get the opportunity to be out here.

Speaker 3 (05:20):
You know.

Speaker 6 (05:20):
I'm like, this is this is greater than anything you
could ever imagine.

Speaker 3 (05:24):
Because I was like, when when there's other kids who.

Speaker 6 (05:26):
Don't have that opportunity, you know, those other you know,
whatever circumstances there are there, they can't even be out
here to play.

Speaker 3 (05:32):
They give anything to be on your shoes.

Speaker 6 (05:34):
And I trust me, that perspective I've had for a
long time because I have great parents, but it really
was solidified into me laying up on my back because
like when you have.

Speaker 3 (05:45):
Spinal fluid legs, you can't stand upright. If you stand up.

Speaker 6 (05:48):
Right, like you'll eventually start to have these like terrible migraines,
you'll end up you know, throwing me. It's it's crazy,
like the whole the whole thing is the weirdest thing
I've ever experienced in my life.

Speaker 5 (06:00):
It ain't a game, man, That's all I'll say. And yeah,
appreciate it when you have it. If you have health
and you're a competitor, just appreciate.

Speaker 4 (06:08):
It, man, you know.

Speaker 5 (06:09):
And you know what, when I walk around feeling that
pain and lets me know that I'm alive, that's why
I really recognize is real. And if you've ever been
a competitor and never been just a person like Jonas
that stands there and just makes fun of people, talks
trash about him on the radio, you you do recognize

(06:30):
the game like that that person put in some work,
They put that time in.

Speaker 4 (06:34):
Now I was just being.

Speaker 5 (06:36):
You know, just being sarcastic, taking a jab at him.
If you listen to the JKS show, then you know
that he does take a little little unnecessary swipes from
here to hear from you know, time to time, but.

Speaker 4 (06:49):
You know, to show. You know, you know, I listen,
you know I listen. I check it out. You know
you're we're a little word of hate. I hate on
you bad.

Speaker 5 (07:00):
Hitting into the show though I hate on you so bad.
Shouldn't be it's like if you ain't got nothing else
better to do with your Saturday, like absolutely zero, Like
if you have zero point five or one thing that's
worth doing, then don't turn on Jonas Knox. But if
you have absolutely nothing else to do, then you know,

(07:23):
you check out Jonas after we're finishing.

Speaker 3 (07:25):
Yeah, that's the way.

Speaker 4 (07:27):
It should be.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
That's the way it should be. You should you should be.

Speaker 4 (07:31):
It's kind of like week zero, you should be.

Speaker 6 (07:33):
Well, look, here's my thing, is I guarantee I guarantee
you en watching.

Speaker 4 (07:44):
I did what I will say. I did no.

Speaker 5 (07:47):
No, I did watch the watch the the doubling. I
watched the doubling game kate Kansas State and Niowa State.
I did watch it. I saw the upset take place.
But what I did not do is watched very closely
because I did watch at the p man and there's
just some things that I remember, and there's just some

(08:07):
things that are a little fuzzy.

Speaker 6 (08:09):
Yeah, and take it away, Jonas, just go ahead and
take it away. Yeah, he's going to recap exactly how
I got screwed.

Speaker 3 (08:16):
There. We go absolutely screwed.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
The over under the point total on Iowa State. Kansas
State was fifty and a half, and it was sloppy.
It's exactly what Week zero looks like. It's sloppy. There
were turnovers, you know, the gray skies, the mists, the drizzle,
like it was everything you can expect from a Dublin game,
like all of it comes along with it. And then

(08:43):
you know, Brady's competitive and he wants to win these
bets and he starts looking at it going, yeah, you know,
they took too long to get going. And then all
of a sudden, the fourth quarter hits and there's a
sixty five yard touchdown throw by Kansas State.

Speaker 3 (08:58):
Let me tell you what hit. Healing whiskey hit, the
guinness hit.

Speaker 6 (09:02):
Those teams got drunk, all right, they got drunk, and
they started realizing, Hey, Lottie, what are younna thought of about?
Down to field that out Lottie one on one in
the second hair, Oh we could do that, Lottie.

Speaker 3 (09:12):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
And so all of a sudden it brought you back
in emotionally like it looked like it was over. You know,
count this one as a loss. And then you realize, well, wait,
I got a shot here, and so it's what twenty
four to twenty one?

Speaker 3 (09:27):
I think it was.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
And you know, Iowa States got the football and driving driving,
you know, a little you know, big play, a little
pass out of the backfield. Guy guy grabs it and
goes to the end zone, reaches and I'm texting Brady
and I'm a terrible multitasker, but I'm doing this while

(09:49):
I'm on the air, going yes, you know, celebrating, you know,
some curse words, et cetera, et cetera. They review it
and he was literally four inches short, like no bow
came down four inches short. Reviewed it, bring it back
and Iowa State, because Kansas State had no timeouts left,

(10:09):
just took a knee, runs the clock out, and you
went from hitting the over.

Speaker 6 (10:13):
There were so many things, so many things that played
a factor in full of ar. So it's twenty four
to twenty one, and I'm thinking to myself, there's an
earlier fourth down decision where Iowa State opts to go
for it as opposed to kicking the field goal. Now
what's interesting about that is they go up six, and
I'm thinking in my head like, okay, now I'm really

(10:35):
safe on the bet itself, but I worry for Iowa
State fans because what's gonna happen next is and the
way that game was going, Kansa State's gonna throw a bomb,
They're gonna enter it, and I'm scoring and winning that
one twenty eight twenty seven. So I'm thinking in my
head like this is great though, like I'm gonna win
both bets. They kick this field goal. I don't quite
get the over under, but like, I know there's gonna

(10:56):
be like some big play someone's gonna have. Kans State's
gonna have win this thing in the end. Well, then
they opt to go for it. I'm like, oh, all right, well, shoot,
maybe maybe they just go down and score quick big
play happens here. But I'm starting to I'm starting to
envision exactly how I'm gonna get screwed in the end.
And great play design on the fourth down conversion they
get it. They drive down that the play to Carson Hanson,

(11:19):
the running back, who had a great game. By the way,
he's fun to watch. There's no there's not an exaggeration
they call a touchdown. I'm kind of looking thinking, ah,
this elbow might have been down. That's gonna be tough.
But they're so close. How do you not just like
lean this in, punch this in, find a way of
getting him in, and sure enough, you know, they they

(11:41):
took off just enough time so that that final stoppage
of time that would have held up held up, so
the Iowa State had to actually run additional plays and score.
They couldn't run the clock out. The two minute warning
just ran down just enough so they got the two
minute warning in. And I was texting a buddy. I
was like him, absolutely screwed on this. And there's only

(12:03):
one way to summarize a loss that way, Jonas, how
would how did one of our favorite guests summarize that
sort of loss?

Speaker 2 (12:10):
Oh, Pete Prisco was on the right side. It was
their fault, Yeah, Like he had the.

Speaker 3 (12:15):
Right call, it was the right bet, right was on
the right side.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
It just didn't work out. It was their fault for
not executing the bet that he had made, Like it's
their fault, like everything else that came along with And
I felt I was sick for you because I know
that feeling, and I'm like, I don't eve and Brady's like,
just make fun of me for it, and I'm I
don't have the heart to do it, like I can't.

Speaker 6 (12:39):
I was, I was watching all five kids solo, and
at that point in the day, I was like, you know,
this is not the worst thing that's happened to me today.
I'm pretty sure my son, you know, had an accident
and at one point that got pretty messive. There's just
a lot of things that took place. But I will
say this, I promised to our listeners my bad. All right,
one and two not a great way to start. Should

(13:00):
have been two and one. Let's give a round of
applause for Kansas. They did their part. You know, new
Stadium looked at gorgeous out there. Jalen Daniels and Kansas
are gonna be, you know, a major factor in the
Big twelve if he stays healthy. If he stays healthy
because he's had injury issues, but man, he can sling it.

Speaker 4 (13:19):
He can do it all.

Speaker 6 (13:21):
And that team I think is poised to be something
in the Big twelve this year. But Fresno State would
have been nice if you showed up, right, That's.

Speaker 3 (13:27):
All I mean.

Speaker 6 (13:29):
We need a little more participation to hit that over
a fifty and a half. So one and two on
the weekend not good enough. I'm riding along with.

Speaker 3 (13:37):
You this whole year. So when you lose, I lose.
So my apologies, my apologies to you guys.

Speaker 4 (13:41):
Just brutal.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
And so how are we going to be doing? Like
you're gonna do three picks, four picks, five picks?

Speaker 3 (13:48):
Does it just depends on the week.

Speaker 6 (13:50):
I don't want to make it sound like I'll make
an excuse, but the only bed I really liked the
entire weekend was Iowa State plus three. So that was
the toughest part about watching that game turn out the
way it did was I was like, I didn't like
any of these other bets, but that was like the
next two that I'd put it into the category. You know,
week when bets are tough. Excuse me, week zero bets
are tough. This this next week will be different. I

(14:13):
try to cap it at three. I like odd numbers.
I don't want there to be a push. Yeah, so
it tries to be my three favorite bets each week,
but yeah, we'll see the.

Speaker 3 (14:23):
Might be weeks for those five.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
The more you throw in, the more there's an opportunity
to lose.

Speaker 3 (14:28):
That's I always go three.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
Anything more than that and it's like you're just leaving
it up to the gods and they're just going to
kick in the nuts if they got an opportunity.

Speaker 3 (14:35):
I love how you say this.

Speaker 6 (14:36):
You've done like seven game parlays before in Texas about it.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
Yeah, but like that's you know, that's because I've got
to scratch the itch and I probably lost the three bets.
I probably lost the three betsh the three bets prior,
and so I need something to get it back. And
I figure, you know, let me just throw in a
parlay and see what I can do. But yeah, I
try and keep it, keep it low. For Knox locks
when knocks locks, guy knocks locks, which actually awful.

Speaker 4 (15:07):
Say zero zero for a reason?

Speaker 3 (15:09):
You know what about that zero when LeVar?

Speaker 6 (15:12):
When Jonas does his little like knocks locks thing one
more time?

Speaker 3 (15:15):
Can you play that for me again? Knocks locks? It
looks like you've never held a shotgun before. I mean,
it's there, it's a door.

Speaker 6 (15:27):
Locking in the first place, but also that you've never
held a shotgun.

Speaker 3 (15:30):
No, never do that, never, never in my life. It
looks like it. It looks real to me.

Speaker 2 (15:34):
Jonas.

Speaker 3 (15:34):
Oh wow, one more time, Jonas one more time knocks locks.

Speaker 4 (15:40):
Oh gosh, like that game raise it?

Speaker 3 (15:43):
You don't actually like pump it?

Speaker 4 (15:45):
He single hands. He thinks it's cool.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
Yeah, I'm a single.

Speaker 4 (15:49):
Single hand, single hand jerker of the of the At
some point.

Speaker 3 (15:53):
Though, you know, it slides, you have you can just
raise it up and make it look like you're doing something.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
Here's the thing. You guys need weapons. I don't, so
I'm not familiar with how that works. Like, like, I've
got these, like I've got hands, okay you yeah, I've
got these?

Speaker 3 (16:15):
Yeah? Why did you got problems?

Speaker 5 (16:19):
Bro?

Speaker 2 (16:20):
I've got I don't. I've got carnades on.

Speaker 6 (16:24):
My or you could not see what he just did,
but basically he just went skiing in southern California.

Speaker 2 (16:29):
Yeah, so yeah, I've never never held a shotgun.

Speaker 3 (16:33):
Before shaft though probably right.

Speaker 4 (16:40):
One hand that time.

Speaker 2 (16:41):
Hey, by the way, where was lebar? Do you just
pop into the yard?

Speaker 3 (16:44):
Where'd you go?

Speaker 4 (16:45):
What are you mean?

Speaker 3 (16:46):
Are you on the yard?

Speaker 4 (16:48):
What are you mad? Oh? He's not on the yard?

Speaker 3 (16:52):
You popped in?

Speaker 2 (16:53):
Somebody popped in and popped back out?

Speaker 6 (16:55):
Was that?

Speaker 5 (16:55):
Yu?

Speaker 4 (16:55):
LEI?

Speaker 3 (16:55):
I'm just trying to get it in.

Speaker 6 (16:59):
Real quick. Can we make a like commit to each other?
We are we going to Ireland next year? It's TCU versus.
It's not a Big twelve match up. It's tc versus
like Kansastate, Iowa State or someone.

Speaker 4 (17:10):
I mean, I thought we were going this year.

Speaker 3 (17:12):
Whoa easy. We couldn't make this one work. I tried.
I try behind the scenes, I try behind the scenes.
They're like push, push for next year. I was like, well,
what to help if Fox is with the broadcast Fox
Foxy all right?

Speaker 2 (17:27):
I mean, do we working on it? Do we know
who who's it going to be?

Speaker 3 (17:31):
And I know for sure TCU is going.

Speaker 6 (17:33):
It's their home game, and that's why I know it's
up for those the TV rights.

Speaker 2 (17:37):
So hoping praying cross TCU North Carolina way off.

Speaker 6 (17:42):
Yeah, but it's still a TCU home game, so it
should be up between ESPN and Fox for.

Speaker 2 (17:47):
That TCU North Carolina decent game. Maybe who knows, maybe
Belichick will be there. You know, that'll be fun, fun,
good for them.

Speaker 3 (17:56):
We may not make it back, by the way, oh
no chance, no chance.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
And and whatever old lady is sitting next to on
the plane, she an't make it back.

Speaker 3 (18:05):
I don't want to come back, all right, So yeah,
he would be Lee's favorite place is so far.

Speaker 5 (18:15):
Do you guys think that Lee would develop an accent
and Irish accent if we left them there and came
back to see him, like a year or two later.

Speaker 3 (18:24):
Hey, Lee, I don't, I don't. I mean, I'll put
it this way.

Speaker 6 (18:30):
Some of the present companies around he hasn't developed an accent,
you know, hang with them, oh, because I feel like
if he like like, there's no code switching with Lee
from all the interactions he's had in my experience, huh.

Speaker 5 (18:45):
Like a little apple Jack cap, you know, and and
just had on like some plat some plaid shorts like
I justied of the moon to you, I feel like,
start to change like peaky blinders.

Speaker 6 (18:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (18:58):
I think he would start to embrace it. Man, I
think he would. I really do. I think we would
come back and Lee would be a changed man. No,
I just think that to be true.

Speaker 4 (19:08):
I don't know. I could be wrong, but you never
know which.

Speaker 5 (19:11):
By the way, it'd be curious to hear about what
did he end up going to Vegas?

Speaker 4 (19:16):
Did he not?

Speaker 5 (19:17):
What happened in Vegas stays in Vegas or can it
be discussed on air? I hope we get an opportunity
to hear about it, because you know, I mean, things
possibly took place.

Speaker 4 (19:30):
In Vegas. I don't know, man, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (19:34):
I'm talking cause you know, there's international pool time, there's
free drinks, there's penny slot machines where you don't have
to overspend to get you know, say one hundred dollars
worth of drinks while you only spend maybe five dollars
on gambling.

Speaker 4 (19:51):
I'm just saying anything.

Speaker 5 (19:53):
Is possible if Lee has that type of access to
alcohol while hanging with friends.

Speaker 4 (20:00):
If you did, what.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
Should we should we tease that? Should we tease a
head to that coming up after the break?

Speaker 4 (20:04):
Get to the bottom.

Speaker 5 (20:05):
Just saying, you know, I'm curious because I don't know
if he even went.

Speaker 4 (20:10):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (20:11):
I want to say he probably had his sponsor, his
sugar mama, I mean sugar person you know, helped Springing
to get there and took care of his lodging, and
who took care of his food. I mean, you know,
I'm just putting it out there. I ain't threw no
names out there yet. I'm just saying it's I'm curious, though.
I am curious because I do look at social media.

(20:33):
I saw somebody doing their usual trapping up the thirsty
ones out there and I'm just wondering who was filming
you know, how did you get such great angles on
your trap your trap content.

Speaker 4 (20:46):
I'm just hey, I'm just saying, you know what I mean,
just curious. That's all.

Speaker 3 (20:54):
Got to get to the bottom of that.

Speaker 4 (21:01):
I guess Anthline, m m yeah, what up?

Speaker 2 (21:15):
Oh god, it's two pros and a cup of Joe.

Speaker 4 (21:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (21:19):
Bring us saying come on, we're still doing this thing.

Speaker 2 (21:23):
LaVar Arrington yeah, Brady Quinn yeah, Jonas knocks Yeah.

Speaker 3 (21:30):
Can I change this one for you to something else?

Speaker 4 (21:33):
Pay come on?

Speaker 5 (21:33):
Yeah, come on, Jonahs, don't let you ruin it. Come on,
go ahead, Jonas? Nah?

Speaker 2 (21:39):
No, fam all good?

Speaker 5 (21:40):
Noah fam Come on Jonas, come on, Jonas.

Speaker 3 (21:45):
Yeah, go on, step for the Jonas.

Speaker 2 (21:46):
We're going, Come on, Jonas, y'all know mean cuz what
nah me?

Speaker 4 (21:54):
Nah me?

Speaker 2 (21:58):
You find this ish on the iHeartRadio out too?

Speaker 4 (22:02):
That the Morettius.

Speaker 3 (22:09):
I can't.

Speaker 2 (22:13):
That's all I got.

Speaker 3 (22:15):
That's all I got.

Speaker 5 (22:16):
Why do you go with doses though you actually float
with la Man? You found this this on on You
know what I'm saying, son, You know what I'm saying.
I don't call you Sun because you are my son.
I call you sun because you shine like one.

Speaker 4 (22:29):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (22:30):
Oh, this that's appropriate.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
Uh, it's an appropriate segue under this.

Speaker 4 (22:34):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (22:35):
Uh the story Lee did not mention, and uh, in
case you missed, it was something that I was not
familiar with until Brady sent over the the highlight if
you will, over the weekend. Uh you want to explain?

Speaker 7 (22:50):
Uh, yes, of course we did mention the Kansas State
lost to Iowa State in Dublin, which then was followed
quickly by uh. And it's I know that. I feel
like I know exactly where this happened. This is where
we were walking out. A video that's gone viral of
Avery Johnson's father, Avery Johnson, the quarterback of Kansas State,
his father, and his old and his older brother getting

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into a fight on the street.

Speaker 4 (23:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (23:15):
His father, Mark and brother Anthony have now issued an
apology for this viral video, saying we sincerely apologize for
our actions following yesterday's football game in Ireland. That statement read,
senseless bickering escalated into an unnecessary fight. We have resolved
our differences and take full responsibility for our actions. We
have apologized to our immediate family and now extend our

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apologies to Kansas State University. It's alumni and fans. We
regret this incident, have learned from it, and are committed
to ensuring it doesn't happen again. Please accept our deepest apologies.

Speaker 6 (23:45):
They were fighting with each other, yeah, oh yeah, so
that was wasn't clear. People on social media were trying
to say they like, oh got drunk, were fighting with
other people in Ireland and then some so is a
father's son, which look based on how the game ended
and by the way Aby Johnson played well, I thought,
you know, Iowa State is a tough defense to go

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up against. I gave you a nugget how John Haycock's
defense has held opponents over the last five years to
an average of like.

Speaker 3 (24:13):
Under twenty two twenty three points. They only gave it
twenty one.

Speaker 6 (24:16):
It's like there you go, Like that's the Iowa State
is one of the more consistent programs you'll find in
college football. There's no reason to get frustrated about it. However,
I understand again, Avery Johnson, a guy who they thought
his breakout year was last year.

Speaker 3 (24:29):
This year, you know, who knows what will ended up doing.

Speaker 6 (24:32):
But you know, clearly some frustration from the parents with
how that game went starting off the season one one.

Speaker 2 (24:37):
What are you doing? Like, you you've got your son
pinned down on the ground with your forearm across his
throat and you're throwing punches at him. And a puddle
in a puddle outside the state.

Speaker 4 (24:49):
Big old puffle that your.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
That your other son just played in.

Speaker 3 (24:53):
Wait, what are you doing. We're not talking about a
co ed puddle. We're talking about a puddle.

Speaker 5 (24:58):
No, No, it was not a Oh it was that deep.

Speaker 4 (25:04):
That's one of them could have drowned in that puddle.
It was deep.

Speaker 5 (25:08):
That's just I don't know, man Like, they wanted to
keep going though, Like I think once to one, I
think it was the the what was it the son?
I think once he realized how wet he got doing it,
it was just like we might as well just keep going,
you know, like, let's let's go ahead and get another
rounded it.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
I mean, that's wow, really good top control by the father.

Speaker 5 (25:32):
I would say that he did stay on top of him,
like he was like a half a centimeter away from
drowning him. Man Like, if that puddle was any deeper,
dude would have been taken on water through the nostrils and.

Speaker 4 (25:46):
Nothing like this.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
But like LeVar, think about this. Imagine your son just
finishes playing a game at Penn State and finds out
that there's a video of you and your other son
fist fighting in the parking lot, Like how do you
how does it? How do you get.

Speaker 3 (26:04):
Over that.

Speaker 6 (26:06):
You're missing where this is all directed at? Like what
we really need to do is take a moment right now.
And this is a little difficult.

Speaker 3 (26:13):
Give it everyone's personal situations.

Speaker 6 (26:15):
And I don't know why Lee just went off stream
yard Maybe he felt like this was coming towards him,
Like who would be most likely to get in a
fight with their dad into public place?

Speaker 4 (26:26):
Lee?

Speaker 5 (26:29):
Maybe Jonas? I don't, I don't really know. I mean,
I guess it would be impossible for Jonas.

Speaker 3 (26:36):
Back in the day.

Speaker 5 (26:37):
Were hypothetical Jonas, No, you don't have to be so literal, Geez,
who would be better at walking their dog? Brady Jonas
or LeVar? Like we get it, bro Like just too though, Yeah,
so are mine. I just got a new one that's

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all replace them, you know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (27:01):
Geez?

Speaker 2 (27:04):
No, I would I would.

Speaker 7 (27:05):
I would have never never fought my dad ever, man,
I'd fight him in the street.

Speaker 3 (27:12):
I bet Lee would It would have to be Lee,
right yeah? And Lee would you would.

Speaker 6 (27:16):
You get your ass kicked by your dad though you
think you'd beat up your dad. Here's the only thing.
Here's the only thing I'd say about this is Lee
is sneaky athletic. I mean the hesitation move he put
on that security.

Speaker 3 (27:30):
Guard, he did double bro. He damn near lost his
achilles right there.

Speaker 2 (27:35):
He put that.

Speaker 4 (27:39):
Put that found out baptoe.

Speaker 3 (27:41):
He put that guy.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
He put that guy in a clown suit on national radio.
And then the guy had the nerve to come back
over later in the week and try and hang out.

Speaker 3 (27:51):
Dude, pick up your shoes you left over there? Would great?

Speaker 2 (27:56):
Throw too on the.

Speaker 5 (27:58):
Money throw that's hilarious. I would never fight my dad,
Just so we're clear, Yeah, never. I just feel like
I'm going straight to hell if I ever like dishonored
my father in any way, Like would I would never
fight my dad.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
Just imagine Avery Johnson opens up his social media and goes, wait, dad,
he's kind of sunpinned down beating his ass in a puddle.
What are we doing, dude?

Speaker 4 (28:29):
Like, what are we doing? Well?

Speaker 2 (28:32):
Hey, that sucks, but you know, living you'll learn and uh,
there's probably a couple of a couple of pops mixed
in there too that probably led to Leather, the skirmish
or the Donnybrook if you will. All right, it is
two pros and a cup of Joe here on Fox
Sports Radio. Now we transition over smoothly to something that

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must be discussed, because we are all about checking the
boxes here, all right, It's all about playing the hits.
LaVar's guy, shad Or Sanders had a little bit of
a rough rough.

Speaker 4 (29:06):
Go bars guy, a little bit of a rough go
of it.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
This weekend look looked a little bit different than the
previous game that he participated in. You know, he took
a bunch of bad sacks. I think he completed three
passes through for I think negative fourteen yards something like that,
but not all that great. And so now the the

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conversation becomes what next. He wanted to stay in for
the final two minute drive. Kevin Stefanski pulled him out
and said, no, we're just we're gonna go with Snoop,
who later got released. And so now the discussion turns
to what happens with Shador. It appears like he's going
to make the roster. But I don't know how anybody

(29:57):
could argue that. You know, he climbs the the chart
above Dylan Gabriel. After what we've seen, I think that sailed.

Speaker 6 (30:04):
Here's the thing is, no one's trying to make that
argument now. The argument they're trying to make is that
Kevin Stefanski is it out for him and the Browns
organization organization has it out for Shador Sanders and this
was all a setup, you know, the position they put
him in, the plays they called during when he was
in the game versus Dylan Gabriel.

Speaker 3 (30:25):
I was actually so.

Speaker 6 (30:28):
Motivated, I'll put it that way by social media last
night to go back through and break down all of this,
just to kind of put it to bed. There are
so many misconceptions with what's being spewed on social media,
and look, maybe they're just people who are trying to gaslate,
Like maybe that's what this is, and that's what social
media is kind of be coming now, is you got

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to get a reaction out of people, so you have
to say things that.

Speaker 3 (30:52):
Are just absolutely ridiculous.

Speaker 6 (30:54):
Or there's just certain people who viewed this world in
a certain prison and that's not going to change, and
those people seemed to come out of the woodwork for
sports when they never lived there in the first place.

Speaker 3 (31:06):
And by the way, like here's the things that I heard.

Speaker 6 (31:10):
You know, the play calls when Dylan Gabriel was in
were quick hitters and he got the ball out quicker.
And then when Shador goes in, there're these max protection
take forever, but he's getting sacked all the time, even
though they knew they couldn't protect him. Hm, okay, let's
break that down quick. You don't know what the biggest
difference was between Dylan Gabriel and Shadoor Sanders. When Dylan

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Gabriel got to his back foot, he was decisive, he
got the ball out of his hand. Shador Sanders had
a number of opportunities to go to his first read
or second read or an underneath route that he chose not.

Speaker 3 (31:41):
To go to.

Speaker 6 (31:43):
That's not on Dylan Gabriel, the coaching staff, or anyone else.
And it's one of the things I brought up in
the last time that we saw Dylan Gabriel out And
really when shadeor played well too, they both looked good.
The difference was there was something crisped and quick about
Dylan Gabriel and just how he kind of has a
undre standing for the timing and rhythm of NFL offenses
when the ball is thrown with timing and anticipation. Shador

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took a lot of sacks in college. And it wasn't
just because his old line wasn't great. It wasn't great
at Colorado. He holds onto the football for an eternity.
So that's the first issue that was an issue in college.
It seemed to be a bit of an issue at
least in the two preseason games we've seen, even when
he played well in the first one, the ball wasn't
coming out quite as quick.

Speaker 3 (32:27):
The other issue he has, and.

Speaker 6 (32:29):
One of the reasons why a lot of the pressure
and things were exacerbated, is because Dylan Gabriel, if you
watch him, when he gets to the back of the pocket,
he steps up, he works through it, he kind of
navigates up back towards the line of scrimmage. Chador does
something very similar. And by the way, it's not just Shador.
I said this about Bryce Young his rookie season. After
I call it a game. A lot of these college
quarterbacks they get in this bad habit of when they

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drop back they turn their hips parallel to the line
of scrimmage. It right away eliminates half the field. If
you're right handed quarterback and your hips are parallel to
the line of scrimmage as you're standing there in the
pocket or trying to navigate where to go, Yes, you
can run forward, but you've cut off the entire right
half of the field at least being able to throw

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down the field, midfield anywhere. Maybe you can adjut, turn
on quickly throw something short, but it's basically the middle
of the field to the left side of the field.
The defense is already won. They already don't have to
cover half the field because they got you to get
into a bad habit of opening your hips like that.
You know, you'd like to be like a boxer climbing
up through the pocket, maintaining the ability to throw your

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right hand, so your really hips should be perpendicular to
the line of scrimmage. So Bryce Young had that habit.
He was able to kind of kick it a bit
last year too, and some of what he was doing
because naturally, when you drop back like that, you get
the back of the pocket.

Speaker 3 (33:48):
You want to run out to the sides.

Speaker 6 (33:50):
You don't want to actually step up into the pocket
where that's your safe have and that's your safe one.
That's how the code line coach is coaching those tackles
to push those edge rushers by you.

Speaker 3 (34:01):
But you have to set the pocket then step up
into it.

Speaker 6 (34:04):
So he's got to figure out a way of developing
that happen and kicking this old kind of college habit
that a lot of quarterbacks fall into the habit of
when they transition from college to the NFL. Now, you know,
was he playing with the best guys the ones and twos? No,
but doing Gabriel had to deal with that sometimes too.
And by the way, as a quarterback, you have to
deal with that at times, you know. I remember playing

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in Denver last game the season when I was with
the Chiefs. We had a backup left tackle. We had
a guard who we had just signed I think two
or three weeks prior another guard who we signed like
week four during the season. We had another player who
was wearing a club on his right hand. I mean,
he was as patched work as you can get. And
guess who they had Von Miller on one side, DeMarcus
Ware on the other. Have fun going up against that,

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Like that's what you're going to be tasked with. So
this is just a preseason game, Like, we don't need
to overreact about the performance of Shador Sanders and make
this a racial thing or make this a Kevin Stefanski
and this team has that out for him.

Speaker 3 (35:01):
It's not the case. Man, Like you can.

Speaker 6 (35:03):
Try to do that and try to pep perpetuating on
social media. It is the biggest lie if you want
to buy into that, because there's not one lineman that
I've ever met that's like, oh, should door's in. I'm
gonna go and throw in the towel in my career
and play crappy. So he gets sacked or he doesn't shine.

Speaker 3 (35:21):
Let him get hit, Yeah, let him get hit.

Speaker 6 (35:23):
Like what player have you ever heard of who's doing
their best to make an NFL roster not just the Browns,
because those guys have to play for every other team
too that they're on film for and pray to guy
they get picked up either by the Browns, their practice squad,
or somewhere else on an active roster of practice squad.
So can we just stop this? It's madness, It really is.

(35:44):
Someone try to compare to Tebow. I said, let me
just first explain this to you about Tebow. Should Door
can throw the football? It starts it ends there, like
there's no comparison between those two. Should Door can play
at the NFL level throwing the football?

Speaker 3 (35:59):
All right?

Speaker 6 (36:00):
Like that's just and that's not me like it's been
anything other than pointing out the fact to you that
like he could sling it. That was Tim's biggest issue
coming in the NFL is there was a lot of
concern about whether or not he could at the NFL
level do it, should or can do it.

Speaker 3 (36:15):
So don't try to compare like, oh, it's the fandom
and everything.

Speaker 4 (36:18):
No, it's not.

Speaker 6 (36:19):
It's completely different. It's a completely different scenario, circumstances. What
Shador entered into, what Tim entered into, what tim struggles were,
what you know, it is being asked of Shador right now.
It's like it's night and day. So I just to
stop the badness.

Speaker 4 (36:34):
Man.

Speaker 5 (36:34):
What's funny about that part of it is Tim Tebow
was more relevant to the conversation than Shador Sanders or
Dylan Gabriel because he was closer to getting onto the field,
right He wasn't a third string He was he was
slated as the backup when he came in and he
was the third string.

Speaker 6 (36:52):
I was on that te him And this is why,
like I know, in depth knowledge, you can talk on it,
but you will not have a clue.

Speaker 3 (36:56):
I've been on it.

Speaker 6 (36:57):
I've been in a road game before where I was
warming up or he went down. The next week, They're like, hey,
Tim's gonna go in, and I looked at the coaches, like,
what did this happen?

Speaker 5 (37:06):
Yeah, that's what I mean. I thought he was because
he ended up playing in the playoffs, right, and.

Speaker 3 (37:10):
He played awful.

Speaker 4 (37:11):
Well.

Speaker 3 (37:11):
That was the second year.

Speaker 6 (37:12):
That was when John Fox got there, and yeah.

Speaker 4 (37:14):
I thought he would.

Speaker 5 (37:15):
I thought he was second on the depth chart, so
I thought that it would be more relevant. But if
he was third, then it is it's more relevant to the.

Speaker 3 (37:22):
Well and he played.

Speaker 6 (37:23):
If you saw him in the preseason, it was like again,
if you saw those games, you're kind of like, all right,
And that's why some of the players were even surprised
and shocked by it.

Speaker 3 (37:31):
But I digress.

Speaker 6 (37:33):
The only comparison there was was in regards to the
fandom and the pushing behind you wanted to get them in.

Speaker 4 (37:39):
Like.

Speaker 5 (37:41):
There's definitely validity to that, and I would just say
the whole you said, the let's not get you know
what was it out of control about or whatever it
may be, Like why there? Why are we over reacting
over a third and fourth string quarterback? That's like, let's
start there. It's you know, let's start there. Like the
phenomenon of it all is that Shador Sanders is the

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driving factor of the topic.

Speaker 4 (38:08):
And that's it.

Speaker 5 (38:10):
That is it, even Shiloh getting getting waived and all
that stuff, major story, driving headlines, like he was probably
not going to make the team anyway, but it's such
a big driving story. It's an engine to a vehicle
that is very leverageable and very usable. And that's what's

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happening here. If Dylan Gabriel and Shador Sanders were battling
it out for one and two, this is a relevant conversation.
I don't even know that they're saying that Kenny Pickett
is going to be available for week one, which means
that they're planning on rolling with Kenny Pickett on on

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the roster. So one of these guys is going to
be on the practice squad, and one of these guys
probably won't even be activated on game day. It's probably
going to be Kenny Pickett and Joe Flacco. And like
I said, I think Joe Flacco is a rent rent
a QB. And Kenny Pickett is still someone that the

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verdict is out on him, like or not yet out
on him. He's young enough where you can say, can
he resurrect his career or is he heading down the
direction of being a career backup.

Speaker 4 (39:30):
We don't know what Kenny Pickett's going to be.

Speaker 5 (39:32):
But the more relevant conversation is what's going to happen
with Joe Flacco leading this team. What's going to happen
If Joe Flacco can do it, it's probably going to
be Kenny Pickett's team to.

Speaker 4 (39:42):
Try to figure it out.

Speaker 5 (39:44):
There's all kinds of debates and discussions about two dudes
that aren't even going to touch the field.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
And by the way, the reason Dylan Gabriel is being
talked about as much as he is as a third
rounder is because Shitor was taken in the same draft.
Not even why, but he's he's.

Speaker 4 (40:02):
Like, we're making this like, oh, they're doing him so wrong.
Oh God. It's still like Gabriel's a minority.

Speaker 3 (40:09):
Two people.

Speaker 4 (40:12):
Stop, It's just either one of them are going to play.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
Why do you let me ask you, why do you
guys think that Shador has been picked? You know, like
because everybody gets like from time to time, somebody gets chosen.
You know, you mentioned Tebow, you mentioned like, why do.

Speaker 4 (40:29):
You think it's it's the same.

Speaker 5 (40:31):
Well, the amount of content and what Tim Tebow did
as a good person was brilliant because it built a
brand and then the man made the quote and went
and won a national title with one of the more
dominant football teams in college football.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
But isn't it Don't you think it's because like that
just shows you the job that Dion did.

Speaker 5 (40:53):
And it was really became like it's it's Dion's brand,
and it's Dion's son that built Shador, built Dion Senior,
and built uh Shiloh's.

Speaker 4 (41:07):
Brands while they were were coming up in college.

Speaker 2 (41:10):
That was a one win program that a year later
was having rock concerts before games.

Speaker 5 (41:16):
You want to know, the one common thread between Tim
Tebow and and the comparison is they they both players
have truly tapped into the Christian community. If we want
to take it a step deeper, when you get the
Christian community behind you, they jump all on it and
it's not really about anything other than God will serve

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and protect. And when you bring God into it, and
it's like this is a God thing, and this is
this is something that was was spiritually deemed, this was
something that was divinely ordered and stuff like that. Once
you get people on that that praise train and that
they got you in their prayer groups, like you had

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rare groups for Sanders, like come on, man, you see
what's going on abroad, people getting bombed, talking kind and stuff.
I don't know that Jesus is worrying about who's going
to start for the Cleveland Browns.

Speaker 4 (42:12):
I just don't know.

Speaker 2 (42:13):
The religious component I think was more applicable to t Bow,
because you know he was no.

Speaker 4 (42:19):
No, it's very it's very equal, bro.

Speaker 3 (42:24):
It is very two different churches.

Speaker 6 (42:26):
Probably though I don't know, I don't know, I don't
know was a virgin.

Speaker 4 (42:34):
That's very true.

Speaker 5 (42:37):
His level of approach to Christianity was much much more
different and much more pronounced than Shadors, but not more
than Dion's.

Speaker 4 (42:47):
Keep that.

Speaker 6 (42:50):
Jonasman accusations about Tibo losing his virginity to Jill at
some point.

Speaker 2 (42:57):
But hey, haven't we all you know? I mean, so,
I think.

Speaker 3 (43:04):
If you're looking for answers, they're just look at your
left palm.

Speaker 2 (43:06):
By the way, Lee was And I didn't get what
he meant by this. But Lee was saying earlier that,
you know, in Hidora's church, there's a lot more singing.
And I didn't know what that was all about. That
crazy Lee, What were you What did you mean by that? Oh,
it's just a much you know, much more engaging crowd. Okay, yeah,

(43:28):
I wasn't sure. I was trying to figure that out
with your meat. What you're trying to imply there, Labar,
I didn't know what he was trying to imply there.

Speaker 5 (43:35):
I don't know, man, Like you're trying to say church
is just singing when it's a black church, like dang God,
dang bro. I can guarantee you that Tim Tebow was
in the same type of chase, probably like Pentecostal or
you know, something to that effect, like where it was
mixed crowds of people don't mega churches ain't worried about

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what your color is these days.

Speaker 4 (43:57):
They just worried about if.

Speaker 5 (43:58):
You tap in or if you sway up one of
those those those uh, one of them atm machines before
you come into the House of God in the sanctuary,
because it ain't free to worship.

Speaker 4 (44:09):
They say it is, but it ain't.

Speaker 5 (44:11):
Somebody gotta pay these bills, you know for this nice, big,
beautiful church, in this great sound system.

Speaker 4 (44:17):
Somebody got to be able to pay for it.

Speaker 5 (44:19):
Gassing up that jet so they could fly privately to
go bless somebody when they get there. I mean some
of these things, some of them have two jets, you know,
because the Lord has been good to them. So I'm
just saying, when you get the Christian community involved, they.

Speaker 4 (44:36):
Go all in.

Speaker 5 (44:37):
And I'm while I'm like joking, like I'm really like
lightweight joking, I'm being dead serious. I'm being dead serious.
That is the issue that you're going to run into.
It's like either it's either Greeks, It's either Greek society. Right,
so you see how like certain people were chosen and
climb to relevance like Colin Kaepernick or now see how

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much support you know, Ryan Clark has garnered and the
things that he says, and a lot of people say
it's racially driven, but it's also there's a back story,
a backplot to.

Speaker 4 (45:14):
All of it, and those are Greeks. They're Greeks, and
they get behind it.

Speaker 5 (45:19):
They get behind it, they push the narrative, and they're very,
very strong and how they get their messages out and
it catches hold, and these figures become way more sympathetic
figures to a specific group of people than to anything else.
This topic is really an irrelevant topic. It really is.

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Neither one of them will play a significant role for
the Cleveland Browns foreseeably.

Speaker 4 (45:46):
In the near future. Wow, it's a non topic.

Speaker 6 (45:49):
I'm not going that far because I do think, well,
here's the reality is Joe Flacco's forty.

Speaker 3 (45:56):
He's gonna start the season. I don't know if he's
gonna finish it.

Speaker 6 (45:58):
But recent history has told us that take more than
one quarterback for the Browns to finish the season.

Speaker 3 (46:03):
I mean, hell was like that when I was there.

Speaker 6 (46:04):
So if that's the case and both these guys are
on the roster, which mind you, it sounds like they're
going to keep four. There's a lot of time before
the start of the season. We've seen a lot of
movement with teams trading for various quarterbacks. Sam Howe obviously
just got traded to be a backup with the Eagles.
Whether he's second, third string, whatever, there's still a lot
of time, So I would say, I don't know that

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they're going to necessarily factor in right away, but.

Speaker 3 (46:30):
I'm not writing them off not playing this year or
factoring at some point this season. Yeah, but let's be
real about this, like this is football.

Speaker 6 (46:38):
Like none of these guys who are coaching a team,
who are evaluating players who are on these teams, are.

Speaker 3 (46:45):
Trying to do anything other than win.

Speaker 6 (46:47):
I know we like to play out the conspiracy theories
and everything else, but all these players are out there
trying to do the best they can to win. No
one was throwing in the towel for Shador, no one
was calling poor plays for shaudor there's things that he's
got a work con to improve upon, because what you
saw was not just Shaudor working with threes and fours
right and Dylan Gabriel working with ones and twos. It

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was the difference between how one guy has made strides
and you know, processing and spreading the football around and
getting down with in the offense first another and mind you,
don Gabriel's played more football than Shador. So there's that
element of it too where it's like he's seen a
lot more, done a lot more at the college level
before he came, you know, to the NFL level, so
he should be further along than where Shador is at

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this point.

Speaker 1 (47:32):
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Speaker 3 (47:42):
All right, So.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
Did you guys happen to did you guys happen to
see the news that Carson Wentz, once thought to be
the next big thing in the NFL, has found.

Speaker 3 (47:55):
A new home Pensylvania.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
He will be the backup to kJ McCarthy in Minnesota.
So the Vikings traded Sam Howel to the Eagles. Brett
Rippen got released, and so there's a thought that the
Vikings are trying to acquire that and bringing that extra
pick because they're working on a deal to maybe bring
Adam Thielen back to Minnesota. All right, So there's that,

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and then there's this.

Speaker 3 (48:21):
There's your NFC North news and it impacts the Bears.
Go ahead, Jones.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
Then there's this Game Show time.

Speaker 4 (48:28):
Oh wow, oh wow.

Speaker 2 (48:31):
This now makes six teams for Carson Wentz. And not
only six teams, but we're talking one every single year
since he's left the Philadelphia Eagles. He's on a new
team every single year since leaving the Eagles back in

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twenty twenty. So we're going to start one at a time.
Can you name the teams Carson Wentz has played for
since Philadelphia?

Speaker 3 (49:07):
Yes, Indianapolis Colts.

Speaker 2 (49:09):
That is correct, the Indianapolis Colts. He was one of
many who have been trying to fill the sheep.

Speaker 5 (49:14):
I know too, I'm aware of two teams. I believe,
I know he played for my team. So he played
for the Washington Ridskins now known as the Commanders.

Speaker 4 (49:23):
I believe.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
I'm glad to be clarified.

Speaker 3 (49:27):
Brady Quinn, you're next. Do you want me to go
with the one that I think LeVar doesn't know?

Speaker 4 (49:31):
Please?

Speaker 5 (49:32):
Don't go with the one I do know, because I'm
in I'm out in deep water if.

Speaker 3 (49:35):
You say it. Yeah. So, do you want me to
go with the one you don't know that I.

Speaker 4 (49:40):
Know you don't know, Yes? Please?

Speaker 3 (49:43):
The one that you don't know is the Kansas City Chiefs.

Speaker 5 (49:46):
Oh come, on man that that that's like that that
was my bullet.

Speaker 4 (49:50):
That was my silver bullet.

Speaker 3 (49:51):
You knew that one.

Speaker 5 (49:52):
That was my That was because I remember his uniform
matched his hair. That was right.

Speaker 4 (50:02):
Now, I'm out.

Speaker 6 (50:03):
I'm out the Redheads. By the way, see, I thought
this one would be easy for you. The last one,
I'm out.

Speaker 3 (50:12):
You really don't know the last one.

Speaker 4 (50:14):
I'm out.

Speaker 3 (50:16):
I had kc Okay.

Speaker 6 (50:18):
I would have thought you knew the Rams because you
live in southern California.

Speaker 4 (50:22):
Nope.

Speaker 2 (50:24):
And by the way, I if I have this correct,
I think he snapped they're losing streak against the Niners.

Speaker 3 (50:35):
I think you're right.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
I think he started that game. Carson Wentz started that game.

Speaker 4 (50:38):
We wouldn't even remember.

Speaker 2 (50:41):
So, yes, that is correct.

Speaker 5 (50:42):
And literally I had to watch regional games. I told
you all that before I wouldn't even.

Speaker 2 (50:46):
Know Eagles, Colds, Commanders, Rams, chiefs now Vikings. And this
guy was the next big thing like this, like that's
how quick things turned. He was thought to be all everything.
You go back to the to the Super Bowl year

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and now he's just kind of bouncing around the league
just kind of you know, come to terms with the
fact that you know he's probably just this is what
is lot in the NFL is going to be just
going to be a backup. He'll make you know, a
great living doing it, but he's going to be the
the answer in case there's any issues with JJ McCarthy.

Speaker 4 (51:24):
There made a Pro Bowl is a Pro bowler?

Speaker 3 (51:26):
Yeah? Your guy?

Speaker 6 (51:28):
Well, hey, by the way, on that note, can you
believe the Browns cut their only Pro Bowl quarterback?

Speaker 3 (51:34):
I was about late. Yeah, yeah, their only Pro Bowl
comeback in Ross.

Speaker 2 (51:37):
You said that. I was like, what about Flacco? And
then I realized he's never made a.

Speaker 6 (51:41):
Problem crazy, which is which is crazy considering again, Flaco
has been the Super Bowl MVP and played.

Speaker 3 (51:49):
Forever, has played at a really, really high level.

Speaker 6 (51:51):
Yeah, but also during a period of time where the
Super Bowl hit a lot different than it did when
Tyler Hunting was able to qualify for it. But also
again it goes back to you had Tom, you had Peyton,
like you had the string of quarterbacks that were in
the AFC for a period of time, Roethlisberger. I mean,
now you've got obviously Josh Allen, Patrick, mahomes Lamar Jackson.

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I mean you're dealing with a slew of guys, you
could have. But think about Joe Burrow last year. You
could make it a case that Lamar Jackson Joe Burrow
should have won the MVP over Josh Allen at least
statistically speaking, and you know they fall the wayside just
because the media wanted Josh Allen more so, where Josh

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should have won it two years ago and Lamar probably
should have won it last year.

Speaker 5 (52:36):
Seez Saguon Barkley should have won it last year. I mean,
if we're just being real about it, But you know what,
he wanted to be a good stand up dude. His
coach wanted to be a d bag and not make
history with the kid and kept.

Speaker 4 (52:50):
Them out of the gang.

Speaker 3 (52:51):
Was that one of your sticks picks? Didn't you have?
Then you say he was going to play and then
he dated him none.

Speaker 4 (52:58):
I don't know, I don't I've Yeah, he should have played.
I know that.

Speaker 5 (53:02):
Yeah, he's going to regret that and I hate that
he's going to have to live with that.

Speaker 3 (53:07):
What are you eating that one?

Speaker 5 (53:09):
Do you got some white cheddar? Smart food? Uhpcorn popcorn?

Speaker 3 (53:16):
Did you have to include it was smart food?

Speaker 5 (53:18):
I mean I was just reading off the whole thing
for you. If you don't want me to answer your question,
don't ask.

Speaker 3 (53:24):
You're right, Hey, you're right. That's not bad.

Speaker 4 (53:26):
My bad.

Speaker 3 (53:27):
I'll take a step back. That's my phone. I did
ask the question.

Speaker 2 (53:31):
Was it in that box of food in the in
the studio there that Lee helped himself to No, he
got players lounge.

Speaker 5 (53:39):
I got it from the snack set right off of
the right off of the weight room.

Speaker 3 (53:43):
Because he's still a player.

Speaker 4 (53:45):
I am a play. I play, by the way.

Speaker 6 (53:52):
On a separate note, we're talking a little bit of
a football.

Speaker 4 (53:55):
Yeah, there's a long time.

Speaker 6 (53:56):
Many days do we have jonas if you want to
look this up until the actual opening day, like the
Thursday night?

Speaker 3 (54:01):
Is it two weeks right or like a week and
a half week and a half.

Speaker 6 (54:04):
And what a lot of fans don't realize is you
know this the roster's not set, you know they they
a lot of players feel like after that initial cut
to get down to their fifty three man roster, they're like, oh,
I'm saved.

Speaker 3 (54:18):
It's like no, it's no, you're not.

Speaker 6 (54:19):
Like I remember being on teams where like during that
first week building up to the first game, guys were
still getting brought to the coach's office, they were releasing
them and then signing them the practice squad, or they
were being released you wouldn't see him again because someone
else picked them up. It is not set until the
game day week one, that first game roster. That's when

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like those players are safe, or that's when, for the
most part, your team's going to look about eighty percent
of what it should look like for the remainder of.

Speaker 2 (54:49):
The season because you're gonna cut the cutdown is what
tomorrow for Eastern Time to get down to fifty three and.

Speaker 6 (54:54):
Then yeah, but like I said, even then, there's still
movement because a lot of teams are stashing agawn in
the back end of the rock, and once all the
cuts happened, they'll then try to like release a guy
and then bring him back to the practice squad and
they'll pay him like he's on the active roster because
they can do that, but he'll be on the practice
squad and then they'll bring him back up and down
and all that stuff. So there's definitely some hiding up

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some players that you know a team doesn't want to
let go of, but they also know that they're probably
not going to impact that game at least not week
one or week two. Maybe later in the season. You know,
they might see a lot of promise in that player,
or they could have guys coming back from injury who
they know we're going to impact them. They're like, well,
we need it for depth now, but later on we
may have to move on from this guy, or at
least put him on the practice squad.

Speaker 5 (55:36):
I was staying at the same hotel as the rookies
for the Steelers, and I was walking in to go
to my room and I saw this just giant dude
and he was walking. I was like, hey, many On Steele.
He's turning like he's like yeah. I was like, man,
how's it going. He turned and looked at me. He
was like almost like you know, f off. I looked

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at him. I was like, bro, I'm just asking you, like,
how's it going? And he turned to look one more
time and just turned around and just kept walking like,
didn't respond or nothing. I was like, you don't have
to be an a hole, like be a cool dude, right,
And I walked away. I was like, what an arrogant

(56:18):
d bag? Right? And I'm sitting there, I'm just calling
him all kinds of names and stuff like that, And
then I stopped and I thought to myself, I was.

Speaker 4 (56:25):
Like, oh snap, it's cut down day. That dude was
no longer a Pittsburgh Steeler.

Speaker 5 (56:34):
I'm sitting there asking the Steeler house ows camp going
like he was going.

Speaker 4 (56:41):
He was walking into the great abyss, like what's next?
And I feel bad. I feel bad that I handled
it that way.

Speaker 6 (56:49):
The sad thing is is we have seen some guys
play the last football they'll ever play, and.

Speaker 3 (56:55):
They're they'll ever play the rest of their lives. They
now going to make that transition.

Speaker 6 (56:59):
So it's it's tough, man. This is like the worst
time of year. I remember being a player when you
make the roster because you go out there to camp
with what ninety or whatever it is. I mean, there's
a lot of dudes out there, and then you come
out after final cuts are made and you're looking around
like dang, like half these guys got swooped up, got
cut released whatever like you and you never talked to

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him again, or some of them, it's like you don't.

Speaker 3 (57:21):
See him for years.

Speaker 6 (57:23):
So it's it's a sad time for players, I think
for veteran guys who are accustomed to it. You become callous,
you know, honestly, And I remember started moving around team
to team.

Speaker 3 (57:31):
It's like you kind of just were like, all right,
what do I need to know? Who do I need
to know? You know?

Speaker 6 (57:36):
And then that's why it's hard for teams that have
a lot of roster ever turnal because they preach you know,
team and loving your teammates, knowing your teammates. I remember
with Mangini and Cleveland, it got to a point where,
like I remember he had Sean Rodgers at.

Speaker 3 (57:49):
A TV one time.

Speaker 6 (57:51):
Hey Sean, like name this new tight end and and
Sean's like, coach, that dude got here like forty eight
hours ago. Man, He's like I haven't even seen him
till right now, Like how I was I supposed to.

Speaker 3 (58:03):
Know his name?

Speaker 6 (58:04):
Like there was always so much roster turnover where like
you had like four to five new dudes between the
practice squad and the active roster every single week between
injuries and just everything else that went on, and it
was like, yeah, it's impossible to preach that as a
coach if they're like, how could you possibly know your
your teammates?

Speaker 5 (58:23):
I stopped making friends. I ain't even talk to people
when they come in, because it was like they're going
to they're not even going to be here.

Speaker 4 (58:32):
I am.

Speaker 5 (58:33):
I Am like that, Yeah, you got lucky.