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Expectations are too high for coaches and quarterbacks at blue blood schools but young guns are better prepared than ever. CBSSports NFL Columnist Pete Prisco stops by. Plus, Lee’s Leftovers and more!

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(01:34):
up with Pete Prisco coming up here in about twenty
minutes from now. Let's see how he tries to spin
the fact that he said Michael Parsons is going to
sign an extension with the Cowboys last last week, only
to get traded to the Packers.

Speaker 1 (01:45):
Hey, hey, full disclosure. I thought the same thing, and
I don't think Dallas would get rid of them.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
I think everybody thought the same thing if they're being honest.

Speaker 1 (01:55):
I mean, who really thought the Cowboys were their best
player right season?

Speaker 2 (02:00):
Like you know what, I I'm sitting here watching not
to change topics or whatever, but I mean I've sitting
there watching the highlights of the USC game. And I
can recall as a head coach, one game we played
against Heritage Christian, and Heritage Christian had an offensive line
and their offensive line ultimately went both ways, like two

(02:24):
or three of them went both ways, and they were
like six foot plus and they were like at two
ninety right around two ninety three hundred pounds, which in
high school football, that's it's hard to come up with
guys that are big and can play ball. You can
find one but not the other most often. And they

(02:44):
knocked my best player out of the game in the
first quarter, like my best player gone concussed, like he
was chewing on his tongue on the sideline. My quarterback said,
the hell with this, y'all not blocking any They're getting
right to me. I don't have time to make my
first read. We handed off. The running back is getting

(03:07):
hit three yards in the backfield. And I had to
be helpless as a coach and watch this for four quarters.
It has to be I bet Bill Belichick if he
felt anything remotely close to the feelings of helplessness that

(03:27):
I felt. I was discouraged, I was bewildered.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
I was shocked.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
I was scared.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
I was scared for my players.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
I was scared for my job. That's a lot of
pain for when you really think about when that game
started to get away from them, that's a whole lot
of time that Bill Belichick had to be in his
mind and in his emotions about what it was he
was experiencing and what he was going through on sat

(04:00):
lane door that gay look at that the highlights. I
felt his pain because I've been there once or twice
before as a coach where you just said there was
nothing that was going to go right for you. You
had to deal with it for two three quarters.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
Why does uh Brett McMurphy have an extra grind with
Bill Belichick?

Speaker 3 (04:18):
Yeah, he's such a douche, Like what what the whole
people got read off?

Speaker 1 (04:24):
Can you read off his tweets?

Speaker 2 (04:26):
Man, it's kind of cold blooded. That's that's Salento.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
Probably it's probably typing for him, not him.

Speaker 3 (04:31):
So this from a Brett McMurphy went on a rampage
last night because apparently, you know, he's all you know,
he's got a weird obsession with Belichick's girlfriend. From Brett McMurphy.
Weird stat in the history of college football. Super Bowl
champion coaches with twenty four year old girlfriends have never
won any games as a college head coach.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
Next one.

Speaker 3 (04:54):
Not sure if there's enough time left, but if TCU
closed is on a twenty five ten run, the final
score would be eeventy three twenty four.

Speaker 2 (05:02):
That is a good one though.

Speaker 3 (05:03):
Ironically, unc backup quarterback Max Johnson is twenty four years old,
the same age as Jordan Hudson. Bill Belichick's girlfriendy what
a tool?

Speaker 2 (05:15):
What a tool?

Speaker 3 (05:15):
Anyway, he wasn't alone, Like there's so many people who
couldn't wait to.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
See They never showed her. They hit her away, right
they I don't think I've seen her, Like I said.

Speaker 1 (05:24):
They showed her.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
Did they show her later on?

Speaker 1 (05:26):
Yeah? Well she was up there with I want to say,
Michael Jordan.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
Oh okay, so you had to know that was her
then because they didn't, like, they didn't highlight show her
when they showed that group. They were just showing Michael
Jordan and the Beast, Roy Williams and LT Right, it went.

Speaker 1 (05:44):
Like they I saw her in that booth.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
I think I didn't see her, but I tuned out
after the third quarter, like after it got really really
really really really really bad. So it's just so weird,
Like who cares? Why does anybody care? I don't know people,
you know, I always say when the haters come out
the play, I mean, it's just that's their time to shine?

(06:08):
Is it because she's hot and and and he's not
in the mix? She was a three? Is this even
a discussion? No? No, it just doesn't even It doesn't
make the light of day. But he's sitting there and
he's you know, he feels the way he feels, so
he said what he said. And when you lose, you
get the opportunity to shoot your hate, you get to

(06:30):
throw your SA grenades. That's just that's how it works.
I mean if they win, Like everybody was pumped up
after that first drived, which about the way Q can
I ask you this, if you have a drive where
you can get a defense off balance as well as
they did. They tempoed them very well. It looked really

(06:52):
like a really good operation. I know the defense is
going to adjust. They have to adjust. That's the name
of the game. Adapting aes adapting it does over and
over again. Here's your turn, here's our turn. How do
you not regain any semblance of what it was you
were able to do in that opening which were probably

(07:13):
scripted plays. How do you not find your way back
to that balance in that tempo during an entire game.

Speaker 1 (07:23):
I think the first thing is a couple of things
played a factor. Gio Lopez, their starter got banged up
and left the game. So now you have a backup
going into Max Johnson, who you know is very capable
by the way, from from what we saw like from
a little bit snippets of it, But you just worry
about all that, like you've got a backup that you're

(07:44):
going with. It's hard to do tempo too, for the
entirety of the game not gas out your defense, which
is a bit of a concern there too. You know,
I think there was probably a thought too. They knew
they were outmatched, they knew they were gonna have to
play a civic style and a way in order to
have a shot of winning that game. And once the

(08:04):
score got out of hand, you're really just trying to
make sure that you could stop the bleeding to some degree,
you know, string together some good plays, slow the game down,
limited amount of possessions that you know, Hoover and the
TCU defense is gonna have. But like I felt like
saying this too in the Ohio State text game, we
were talking about that earlier, it seemed like once Arch

(08:26):
and Texas got into more of a two minute drill
because they had to be at the end of that game,
he found a bit more of a rhythm. It tired
the defense out a bit more. He found, you know,
more opportunities. I don't know why more coaches don't go
to that as a change up. I feel like there
was a thought back in the day when everyone's running
that breakneck fast pace up tempo offense, that like, that's

(08:47):
what you had to do with the entirety of the game.
You ask most defenses and they'll tell you the most
difficult thing is to deal with the back and forth
of tempo and then going huddle or tempo then going huddle,
jumping in and out of it now. But it's also
hard for an offense to find a rhythm that way too,
So it's kind of pick your poison. I just you know,
I think last night, between the injury, between them being

(09:09):
incredibly outmatched, between these two programs, one trying to build
itself up in UNC and then TCU, which again played
in the National Championship a few years ago, I look
at it and just say, they're just on two completely
different paths right now as far as what they're trying
to accomplish. So it was a tough night for Bill Belichick,

(09:29):
a tough night for North Carolina football fans. Bubba Conningham,
their athletic director, because in that place looked like they
got excited about the debut of Bill Belichick. You know,
they showed out and at halftime you had fans pouring.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
Out of that stadium.

Speaker 1 (09:45):
You know, It's just it was not the debut that
you would hope for with Michael Jordan there and Lawrence
Taylor there and ESPN having Randy Moss and Teddy Bruce
Ski and everyone else who was there on behalf and
really to see Bill Belichick. That wasn't I think quite
as bad as the Aaron Rodgers debut for the Jets.
But damn it was close.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
Man, Oh geez was bad.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
I'm just saying, like, of all the things that we
have built up that had to have been number one,
this is a close set.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
You want to know why it's so bad, It is
because you were like, yep, this is what we expected.
Soon as they came out and ran down the field,
went down the field, score it was like, oh yeah, yep, yep,
Bill Belichick. Look at look at the operation. Look look
at how well organized they are. This is a finely

(10:37):
tuned machine. Look wait wait, wait wait, I didn't get
a chance to fit it. I didn't get a chance
to finish complimenting you. And then it was gone. Yeah,
I mean they was showing lt LT was point like
e t phone home. They scored the touchdown. LT was

(10:59):
just pointing, that's my guy, that's my guy. Im Jay
stood up, standing up like he does. Hit the game
winner gets.

Speaker 3 (11:11):
By the way over under on number of games that
Michael Jordan gets to uh for the rest of the
Upper North Carolina.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
I'll set it in a half. I will take the under.
I will too. I think sticks picks but knocked the under.
I never coming back to his head. You got you
got me off my yacht for this, you said, Bill Belichick?

Speaker 1 (11:40):
Is that the only head coach who had problems?

Speaker 2 (11:42):
Though? J honest?

Speaker 1 (11:42):
Does any other head coaches have some issues?

Speaker 4 (11:44):
You know?

Speaker 3 (11:45):
I mean, uh, Belichick's Belichick's dear friend is Nick Saban
and Nick nick Saban's x Alabama's got a.

Speaker 2 (11:52):
Little bit of a because Nick Saban is no longer there.
They want to buy him out.

Speaker 1 (11:57):
It is too much.

Speaker 3 (11:59):
They got and through I mean by Florida like Meta
mucial and like I don't recall do you guys, do
you ever recall a Belichick team or excuse me, a
Nick Saban team at Alabama getting run through the way
that Alabama did.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
Did you see the one video they showed it, like
number eighteen. I believe he was who like did a
half assed job of filling the gap from the backside
and then started jogging towards the ball carrier and had
no chance of catching up to him. Like it was
such a when you say dogging it right, Like there's
a terminology that you learn early on when you play football.

(12:39):
I don't know if it's still a term they use
these days, but if you got called a dogger, like, oh,
you're dogging it, you're dogging it. Take a lot, right,
they tell you get out of there, go go take
a lap right. This dude was dogging it so bad
on the play, And they were like, do you think
that a Nick Saban lad team would have had a

(13:00):
guy out there doing what we just saw having it
seemed pretty bad. Now they might have pinpointed one singular
play and they caught the kid doing what he was doing.
God Bless, I hope you make amends on that. But
to answer the question, no, you wouldn't see a team
that didn't have the level of accountability where they're getting

(13:22):
after the ball carrier, or they're getting after the blockers,
or they're running the ball down downhill really hard. Like
that was not a DNA Alabama team, let alone a
Nick Saban led Alabama team. Just wasn't no, that's gone,
that's digg gone.

Speaker 4 (13:41):
Well.

Speaker 2 (13:42):
Calen de Boor, the head coach of Alabama, he was
talking with the media yesterday and you know, no big deal.
Let's take a.

Speaker 4 (13:49):
Listen, mentioned the great week before the game.

Speaker 5 (13:53):
Just how much do you self scout the preparation before
games and are there times as a coach where maybe
you noticed during the week that things might not be
going away that you.

Speaker 1 (14:00):
Want them to. You said, what do you mean great week?

Speaker 4 (14:02):
A great week? You said, a great week of preparation
for this week.

Speaker 5 (14:05):
You're saying going up to without a Flores's day before
that game, I said that, you said that yeah before?
Oh yeah, okay, all right, yeah, I mean I think
our guys did. I mean, defensively, I felt like that
we were pretty honed in, gone back and actually looked
at the practice film on some of the reps that

(14:26):
we took that that that we're pretty much identical to
what we saw and just trying to figure out, you know,
why were we one step or you know, why was
our communication just a little bit slower?

Speaker 6 (14:38):
So it's just you know, again, these guys have already
shown me yesterday how bad they want it and how
they're going to respond, and so, you know, I really
feel like the tone in the locker room after the game,
at least from my standpoint and how I can address
the team is completely different than it was a year ago.

(15:00):
And so you know, we don't need to speak in
those terms, but it just it feels different. There's more
of a like just flat out upset. You know, I
can use a lot of different words to explain it,
but this, you know, really upset about how it went.
You know, these aren't learning moments anymore. You know, this
is us and our program, and you know, again we

(15:23):
understand the situation we've put ourselves in and that we're in.
But it is a long season and you know, let's uh,
let's take care of business this week and then that's
going to set up the next week and then we'll
worry about that. That's been our philosophy all along, but
we really got to live it now.

Speaker 3 (15:40):
So that was Caitlin de Boor, the Alabama head coach
who feels look he took over an impossible job trying
to replace Nick Saban, and so far in his short
time as Alabama coach, he's got four losses to unranked teams.
Nick Saban had four losses to unranked team his entire

(16:00):
time at Alabama.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
Yeah, it's.

Speaker 1 (16:04):
It's it's incredible. I mean, And if you actually think
about this past week, and I think the one thing
I'd actually point out is a lot of the expectations
were impossible to meet. Like, forget him replacing Nick Saban.
Nick Saban's the greatest college football head coach of all time,
the most successful of all time. He was not going

(16:25):
to be able to come in there and replicate exactly
how Nick Saban was able to do it. And I've heard,
you know, alumni and boosters and people say, hey, that
the operations of the team aren't that tight, Like they're
not as on time for the bus, the way they
you know, handle things, if they go to practice, it's
not as crisp as it's not what it was when
Nick Saban was there. Well, yeah, he's not Nick Saban,

(16:47):
and he's not he can't be Nick Saban. Like Calin
de Borh has been really successful when you look at
his track record up until this point. But he's got
to figure out how he's got to do it and
how it works for him at Alabama. And here's the truth,
it may not work. Sometimes coaches take jobs because it's
that job or the job and it's not the right fit. Now,

(17:10):
you give enough time, they put enough resources into it,
it might work out. I am not sure that anyone
in Tusca Loosa has enough patience to see it through
because of the expectations that are there following Nick Saban
And by the way, this could be the same conversation
we have about Arch Manning purely because his last name

(17:33):
is Manning, purely because he's the most highly touted quarterback
since Vince Young. Coming there as a recruit. Texas had
never been a preseason number one ever ever, in the
history of one of the blue bloods in college football.
They'd never been at preseason number one in the eight people.
This year was the first year of that. So the expectations,
the amount of money that's been spent and then transfer

(17:54):
portal and on that roster like, he was never going
to be able to live up to the expectations of
Texas fans had for him and everyone else out in
the media was expecting for him to do in his
first start on the road. Ever, so like we're to
a point now where it's impossible to live up to
the expectations for a lot of this, these storylines we

(18:15):
get in college football at this point, which is tough,
Like it's a tough world to live in as a
head coach and as a college quarterback. With the way
I think college football has has evolved, there is no
more patience anymore. Like I actually would say this though,
one of my biggest takeaways from this weekend is I
can't get over how incredible these young quarterbacks can play.

(18:40):
It could be Malik Washington at Maryland, go turn on
his tape, true freshman by the way, absolutely slinging it around,
and I get it. They played fau then they beat
the crap out of them. But to on that stage,
when you look at his fundamentals, you look at his mechanics,
like there is there's like back in the day, like
I was a multi sport athlete, you know, so I wasn't,

(19:01):
you know, working with a private quarterback coach on every
single weekend and all this kind of stuff, preparing myself
working in seven on seven leagues. These kids now they
come so polished and so ready. Bryce Underwood of Michigan.
My god, that kid looks phenomenal. He's got a rocket
for an arm, he plays with touch, he sees the

(19:21):
field well. And again I get it's New Mexico, and
so I'm not trying to like overhype you know, some
of these players, but I just look at them and say,
my god, Like I literally went back and watched like
some of my true freshman years when I was playing
at Notre Dame, and I was like, I don't know
how they were able to just be patient with me,
Like there was actually a period of time where you

(19:41):
were allowed to make mistakes and grow. These kids now,
like our expectation is if they don't come in and
they're not lighting the world on five like CJ. Carr
was phenomenal as a redshirt freshman for Notre Dame on
the road, first start ever, incredible, And I could go
on and on. We got like six different guys, the
Kid of Cow look like all these all these quarterbacks

(20:02):
who are young. The expectation, though, is now they come
in and they look like that, like there's no chance
for them to grow and improve make mistakes. It's a
terrible message we send to young people. And I don't
know how you change it. But unfortunately, like Kivin de
bor Is in that situation, a lot of these players
in that situation, it's a it's a hard time to
be in the spotlight. Now in college football, it's.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
The greatest time though, because it's never been better exposure.
So they just got to bounce back. You know. Archie's
just got to bounce back. I mean, Travis Hunter didn't
go undefeated to win the Heisman. You don't have to
go undefeated to win the Heisman. He's just got to
start playing better. I mean, some of these guys that
are trying to go for it, they just they got
to bounce back. That's all the ones that lost, they

(20:47):
got to bounce back. Notre Dame, they got to bounce back.
You know, guys out there, they got to bounce back.
I expect them to. So it should be good. Yeah.

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Speaker 2 (22:35):
Pete, good morning, what's up, guys?

Speaker 4 (22:38):
How are you all right?

Speaker 1 (22:39):
Hey?

Speaker 2 (22:39):
Pete?

Speaker 4 (22:41):
Hey, By the way, I was watching the Penn State
game the other day and they showed some guy from
the nineteen forties on the sideline and he was there
watching the game, and then they say it was LeVar Arrington.
I go, my god, what happened to?

Speaker 1 (22:54):
Oh god, right out the gate bar, you know, Pete.

Speaker 2 (23:02):
Just let you have that, Pete.

Speaker 6 (23:04):
You know, I love you back, Pete, I love you.

Speaker 4 (23:08):
But you made who was standing?

Speaker 2 (23:11):
Who standing?

Speaker 4 (23:13):
And they said, oh my god, you look like you
would disabuse him and throw him to the wall and
beat the daylights. I mean, you were like double his
you're big.

Speaker 5 (23:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (23:24):
I heard it out a lot that I'm a big dude.
I don't. I mean, I think I'm obese, and I
fight that. I deal with that. I deal with.

Speaker 4 (23:31):
You was just always a big you. Forget how big
you were when you played Ransom.

Speaker 1 (23:37):
Yeah, big guys, A big boy, Pete. I wanna want
to pick your brain about last night. I assumed you
watched the deput of Bill Belichick at at the u
n C him. All right, go ahead and just take
it away.

Speaker 4 (23:53):
Well, it just proves that players matter. I mean, and
you know, I guess Michael Barty hasn't done his job
there aline because they don't have any players.

Speaker 1 (24:04):
So I mean, is what you're saying, Well.

Speaker 4 (24:07):
I mean, look, we know Belichick can coach, but it
doesn't matter if you don't have players. And clearly they
don't have any players, because okay, you might lose that game,
but they get beat the way you got beat. That
tells you that the roster's not very good. And so
from that standpoint, it's going to be a tough turnaround
for them. I don't care how good a coach you are,
If you it's it's always been about players, It always

(24:29):
will be in it always has been.

Speaker 1 (24:31):
You're right, you're right. And then look, I think love art,
I both fel the way maybe Jonas does you know
he's a player, But what I was going to ask
you is do you feel like also, it's just they're
two different leagues. There are almost two different sports. Like,
as good as you can be at the NFL level,
it's hard to then jump into college. I think you
can have the same success or as good as you
gonna be in college to jump in the NFL and
have the same success.

Speaker 4 (24:52):
Yeah, they're two different games, but it's also structured two
different ways too. I mean, if you gave Bill Belichick
Oregon money and Oregon's program or Ohio State's money in
Ohio States program, you'd win there too. I Mean it's
really simple in college football. If you get the players
and you pay the players, you're gonna win. And you know,

(25:14):
now you pay them legally. Back in the day, you
pay them legally, and so yeah, I look. And in
the NFL you have a cap. You got to manage
the cap, and you got to manage your drafts, and
you got to be good at that. It's different. It's
really an entirely different thing. I mean college football, you
can have one year. Okay, let's say North Carolina unloads
with money. Next year, they just find anything and everything

(25:34):
they could possibly get, and they start paying guys to
come out of the portal. You don't think they're going
to be a better football team. Of course they will be.
It's really a simple thing. Players win. They always will.

Speaker 2 (25:45):
I thought that's what they did this year. But I
guess I guess not well.

Speaker 4 (25:49):
I mean maybe they need a new general manager. Whoever.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
They brought in a lot of new players through that portal.
I thought that's what they did.

Speaker 4 (25:56):
Yeah, them. I think there's seventy guys, and I think
thirty something of them came after spring ball.

Speaker 1 (26:01):
I mean, pretty hard to get forty our transfers. Thirty
are freshmen. So that's the talk.

Speaker 4 (26:07):
Okay, seventy new players, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
It's a lot. That's a lot. Speaking speaking of transferring,
I'm going to steal it because I know Jonas wants
to do it, and I'm jumping in because, well it's
my guy. You you said they all play, and you
said that it was pretty much a lock that Michael
Parsons would be playing for the Dallas Cowboys, but now

(26:32):
he goes to the Green Bay Packers. Just give us
your take on on what took place.

Speaker 4 (26:37):
Playing Are you playing?

Speaker 2 (26:39):
I mean, I'd assume he's going to play.

Speaker 4 (26:42):
Of course he's gonna play.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
They all play. I thought you were talking about the
Hell show. But you said he was going to show
up for the Dallas Cowboys, Pete.

Speaker 4 (26:51):
Priscott if they had traded showed up for the Dallas Cowy.

Speaker 2 (26:55):
So you were on the right side of your prediction.

Speaker 4 (26:57):
I'm always on the right side of that predict. They
all show play. Who's not playing? By the way, this
week the games start on Thursday, which NFL player isn't
playing because of this contract?

Speaker 2 (27:06):
I mean you make a valid point. It's a valid point.

Speaker 4 (27:09):
It's like I said, all summer long, they all play,
whether whether he gets traded or not, they all play.
And look, I think if you're the Green Bay Packers,
it's a great move. And normally I'll be the first
one to say this. I hate trade and page because
you're giving up valuable assets and draft picks to get
a guy and then you have to unload the money

(27:30):
on him and that's going to be a salary cap
problem for you. But this guy's twenty six years old.
It's not like he's, you know, thirty. You're trading for
a guy in his prime and the one thing and
when I was in Green Bay, the one thing sitting
in metla Floor's office he said is we got to
rush the passer better. And now they're going to rush
the passer better. It balances that defensive line, It gives

(27:51):
it you know, Gary on one side, Hid on the other.
Ben could come in and now all of a sudden
they get after the quarterback. So I usually hate trade
and pays, but I think it works for the Packers.
By the way, you guys know, I had the Packers
in the Super Bowl even yeah, right, so even before
that trade, and now I think even more so. So
I think think it's a great trade. From the Cowboys standpoint, Look,
you never let a guy like that go out the door.

(28:14):
But you also got to look at it from the
standpoint that what they win when he was there. And
so if you get those two picks and now you
have four first round picks, and you know, you can
have a ton of cap room. They have the second
most cap room in the league. Now there could be
some flexibility there as well. The problem with that is
who's fixing the roster. I mean, you know you're going

(28:34):
to leave that in the hand of Jerry Jones to
go fix that, you know, make that, take those picks
and turn them into something really good. That's a problem.

Speaker 3 (28:40):
Hey, Pete, what's the difference between Jerry Jones and Woody Johnson,
Because it doesn't feel like there's there's much of a
difference these days.

Speaker 4 (28:49):
Well, Jerry has football decision making powers and wood he doesn't, exactly,
although he sticks his.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
Nose into it, you know, but maybe Jerry shouldn't at
this point, you.

Speaker 4 (28:58):
Know, maybe he's GM. Did you watch the special on
that line? I mean, yeah, I mean, Jerry's not going
to step away from any of that, and and so
you know, wood he doesn't do it on a day
to day basis much more involved than people think he is. Though,
I think that's always.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
A bad thing.

Speaker 4 (29:14):
By the way, when when owners get involved in football
making decisions, it's a terrible, terrible thing because they have
no earthly idea what the hell they're doing. Now, Jerry's
been around the game, played the game, he's you know,
he portrays himself as a general manager. It's a little different.
But when Woody Johnson starts sticking his nose in there
making football decisions, that's not a good thing. Or any

(29:34):
owner I don't think. I just don't think that they're
capable of doing it. And that's why you need football
people in those decisions making positions, and they could come
to you and say, look, we're going to make this
blockbuster trade. We're gonna go what are you on board
with that? Because you obviously have to go to him,
you have to pay the guy, and you say, yeah,
you go, okay, that's fine. Not them making the decisions

(29:54):
or telling you bench this guy or play that guy.
That's not what you should be doing. You worry about
to ching ki ching ching and just keep rolling up
the cast register, which is what they all do.

Speaker 1 (30:04):
Hey, Pete, are you surprised there's no other teams though?
I mean, I'm seeing some articles now coming out where
Mike Vrabel was asked with the Patriots, because they would
have made a lot of sense. They have cap space,
they have a need for it, but apparently they didn't
want to pursue Michael Parsons. Do you have any idea why.
I was just Green Bay and this is the best
defensive player in the league and there's only one team
bidding for his services.

Speaker 4 (30:24):
Well, one of the things that you hear and talking
to people after the trade was made, was that a
lot of teams were reluctant to bring him into the
building because you know, look, whether you liked it or not,
And I have no problem with it.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
Podcast be careful with podcasts.

Speaker 4 (30:38):
His podcast turned off some people. He wasn't you know
people if some teams see him as a problem in
the building, and I, look, I hadn't seen that. So
I'm just telling you what i've heard.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
Don't be doing that.

Speaker 4 (30:52):
What I'm just it's out there, LeVar.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
I mean, yeah, got you put it out there.

Speaker 4 (30:56):
Well, I'm just telling you what teams say. So when
teams say that, that's why I don't think there was
such a great market for Look, when you have a
twenty six year old elite pass rusher in the prime
of his career come available and there isn't just a
market fighting for to get him, doesn't that isn't that
a little bit of a red flag.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
Of bar just it depends on what the red flag is.
It Is it the contract? I think, well, I think
the amount of money was the red flag. Honestly, here's
the other thing.

Speaker 4 (31:24):
Here's the other thing. Are you now seeing them where
the edge rusher has become the quarterback, that the elite
edge rusher has become the quarterback in terms of the money,
and that's always making teams out there a little more
reluctant to go pay them, because let's go through the
let's go through the edge rushers who've been paid.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
Okay, we talked about this earlier, but go ahead. I
think you got Yeah.

Speaker 4 (31:49):
Miles Garrett, they winning Nah, DJ Watt and they won nah.
You know, going and on.

Speaker 2 (31:56):
They're competitive in Pittsburgh. They're competitive at Pittsburgh. I thought
you were about to throw out, like you know, Brady
threw out Khalil Mack earlier. If Pete, what about Max Crosby,
what about him?

Speaker 4 (32:09):
There's another one. There's another one. The elite looks and
then and then some guys they say that now that
you'd rather pay the elite interior guy because he can
really disrupt in the.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
Interior in Dallas then got to him. Dallas got to
Pete Prisco, Dallas got to you. They got to you, Pete,
they got to you.

Speaker 4 (32:30):
No, they don't.

Speaker 2 (32:30):
Then they get an interior lineman and and in exchange
for Michael Parsons along and and that trade, by the way.

Speaker 4 (32:37):
I don't agree with it, So I'm just telling I
don't agree. I'm just telling you something stuff about that.
I don't agree with that, rushers, But would you rather
hears one? Would you rather have Aaron Donald in his prime?

Speaker 2 (32:47):
Not for compared, Aaron Donald can play outside and rush
from the outside just as well as he can rush
from the inside.

Speaker 4 (32:56):
Would you rather have Jalen Carter and now who's ready
to go to the elite's status from that, say he's
elite this year of that position or the edge guy?

Speaker 2 (33:05):
I mean again, if I can get a guy that
can do what they do on the inside and what
they do on the outside, but they have to be
able to do it at an elite level on the
outside too. It's like they're playing two positions. You can
play them in two separate positions and get the same
type of production that you would get, if not better
than the person that don't play.

Speaker 1 (33:26):
Edge edge they can put They've put.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
Jalen Carter on the edge at Tome. He's not going
to play there all the time, but you can use
them there. One can use him in a three linemen
alignment six technique. Yeah, yeah, you can do that. But
I'm just saying a guy that can play inside, out,
outside in is always to me, they're way more valuable

(33:50):
than anybody else. But that's you're talking about like one
of one in each of those situations, like Aaron Donald.
Name another Aaron Donald. You know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (33:59):
Chris own Prime, Okay, Chris.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
Jones because he can play, Yes, because he can play
on the edge as well as on the inside.

Speaker 4 (34:07):
Yes, Okay, okay. So so LeVar starting to agree with
the league guys who said the interior guys are more value.

Speaker 2 (34:14):
I'm not saying they're more valuable if they're just an
interior guy. If they can play outside just as effectively
as they do inside, I think that they hold value.

Speaker 4 (34:23):
They don't play outside that much. They can do it,
but they don't.

Speaker 2 (34:27):
But they can and they can do it effectively, which
is but it gives you. It gives your defensive coordinator
more latitude and and and the ability to be more
creative and the things that they're doing. If you have
a guy that you can move around like that, and
it makes it difficult to game plan a guy that
if you don't, if you don't prepare well for him,
you might be seeing him on the edge for the

(34:50):
bulk of the plays and you weren't even anticipating seeing
him out there, and that could create a problem. I'm
just saying, guys that have that type of versatility don't
come around very often. It's not it's not it's not
a usual deal.

Speaker 4 (35:02):
But here's the other part of it. Would you rather
have two twenty two million dollar edge players or one?

Speaker 2 (35:08):
And that's the conversation that was ensuing before. I just
think that again, game impact versus versus stats are two
different things. If I got a guy that can impact
the game, like a franchise player impacts the game, I
want the franchise player impact player versus oh I was
able to replace the production of how many sacks he

(35:29):
got through three guys that got I mean, where did
those three sacks that they replaced? Where did they come
in in the game? How did it impact the game?

Speaker 4 (35:36):
I'm with you, by the way, Levarcus, I always I
always say fourth quarter, game on the line, sack, fumble,
game over. I want that guy.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
I want that guy.

Speaker 4 (35:43):
And Michael Parsons is that guy.

Speaker 1 (35:46):
You want a closer that's the equivalent to a closer
in the NFL and football, right, correct.

Speaker 4 (35:51):
Correct, And but the other thing about him is you
can move him up and down the line too, and
rushing from every different spot if you want to. You've
seen him do that in Dallas. I think he can
rush from riety positions and there's what you can do
with him.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
Yeah, we've all seen edge rushers who can move down
inside and rush.

Speaker 4 (36:06):
But he does this. He does it with and is
very effective doing it. There's guys that do it and
then they you know, they're nuts that good at it.

Speaker 1 (36:13):
Yeah, Pete, you're the best. Congrats to your sun devils too.
Want to know, baby, let's go.

Speaker 4 (36:18):
Yeah, that wasn't That wasn't very good from what I hear.
It was the speed was terrible on the ESPN. Plus
he couldn't see it. It was the blacked it out.
It was terrible. And then I heard they weren't very good.
Tough game. This is to be state. By the way,
Brady Austin Simmons looked damn good the other night, looked
really good the other night.

Speaker 1 (36:36):
He did, as did a bunch of other guys like
Bryce Underwood, like Maleague Washington who we've talked about, like CJ. Carr,
like I can keep going. Yeah, dude, there's a lot
of good quarterback play right.

Speaker 3 (36:47):
Now, Arch didn't look very good a Pete, Pete quickly,
uh real, quick answer.

Speaker 2 (36:53):
Arizona State Girls Volleyball your your super Bowl pick before
the season starts.

Speaker 4 (36:58):
Thursday's what Buffalo Green Bay with the Bills winning it?

Speaker 3 (37:02):
There you go go screw you leading, all right? So
get him on X at Prisco CBS.

Speaker 2 (37:09):
Heard me right, Yeah, yeah, y'all knocked off the number
two Lady Lions and volleyball. So as you did get
a big win this past weekend, so we got that going.
I got that going for you. Yeah all right, So
there he is great. Pete Prisco with us here on
Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 3 (37:24):
Up next, we're going to close up shop with Leith
leftovers right here at FSR.

Speaker 7 (37:27):
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(38:00):
get done with the show.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
These might smell a little funk so incredible, but they're
still good.

Speaker 3 (38:07):
Time to find out what's lacks?

Speaker 7 (38:13):
What do we got?

Speaker 1 (38:14):
Man?

Speaker 9 (38:14):
I think I really do need to go to the
er or the urgent care because now my wrist is
hard to bend and my elbow is getting harder to bend.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
So anyway, we'll see if I make it. Make it?
So huh from the beastings? So we should do beast
things instead of blue choose, then, is what you're saying?

Speaker 1 (38:32):
Are you allergic to beastings? There Harry out earlier? No,
I heard, but like, wouldn't you know when.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
Did you get stung Sunday? If you're still dealing with it?

Speaker 1 (38:45):
Yeah, but you know right away you wouldn't take.

Speaker 9 (38:48):
You No, No, it's not like the first time I've
been stung by a bee.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
But that s is still swollen. Q. That's all I'm
gonna say.

Speaker 1 (38:55):
Like, buddy, I don't I don't think you understand his
body is supposedly all without alcohol, like seventy two hours,
there's there's withdrawal, setting.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
It with a swollen arm, swoorn everything. Dang, I mean
face right now, Dang, it's definitely the beard. See your ankles, Lee,
when you got that sugar foot, Get that boy a
piece of candy. Boy, get that boy, piece of candy.

(39:23):
Grandma pulled out that peppermint. Put it under your tongue.

Speaker 1 (39:27):
Butter Scotch, please.

Speaker 2 (39:28):
Bet Butter Scott or that hot fire dip that they
that world was original, lemonhead, you get better, get that
sugar on your tongue. Player, Celeia, you going to urge
your care right after the show or what? Well?

Speaker 9 (39:44):
First I got to stopped by the liquor store and
get some sugar and get a power ball because the
power ball has gone from one point one billion to
one point three.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
What does it matter if you're going to swell up
to death?

Speaker 4 (39:53):
Bro?

Speaker 2 (39:54):
Like, what do you care? Why do you care? You know?
I'll show you. We're ordering a breathalyzer test to about
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