Best of 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Is the best of two pros and a couple Joe
with lamar As rating Wind and Jonas Knox on radio.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
We got a thief in the house. What's going on?
Not today?

Speaker 3 (00:19):
Not today?

Speaker 2 (00:19):
Any all got a problem? A problem here? Damn, we
got a problem here. I did.

Speaker 3 (00:27):
So you really carry that everywhere you go?

Speaker 2 (00:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (00:30):
Is that legal?

Speaker 4 (00:30):
Is that?

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Like?

Speaker 3 (00:31):
Are the laws around it totally different things?

Speaker 2 (00:33):
And where you're at totally legal?

Speaker 3 (00:36):
What I'm saying, are there some places that outlaw firearms?

Speaker 2 (00:39):
You guys, it's not really considered a firearm. That's why
it's illegal. So yeah, you know, it's just the education
of it and knowing now I can't. The crazy thing
is I can travel with it. I would have to
get a air the air deals that go into them.

Speaker 3 (00:58):
I have air repellets.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
It's not the pellets, it's the because it's it's not
a real gun. It's like it's like an air gun.
So the the air tubes that go in there. You
would have to get that at the location where you're at.
But other than that, you could travel with it. Have
you shot the animals? And no, I'm not that type
of dude. If I'm shooting, I'm either target practicing on

(01:22):
like a real target, or I'm I'm live skunk. I
wish I wish I was strapped when I when the skunk,
But I didn't. I never saw it. I never saw
I just saw sticks running like like all crazy, like
I knew something bad had happened. Yeah it was a
bad thing. Yeah, he's been around. It's either he or she.

(01:48):
But it's very aggressive because it has I mean, and
more aggressive than some of these new coaches that that
we had at the college football level. They didn't too
many of them didn't fear too well, you know, some
of the high profiles. But that's you know, that's here,
Nord there. I'm just saying, I wish I could have
busted a cap in that stunk.

Speaker 3 (02:08):
That's somewhere. That's that's probably right now, is where it's at.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
Oh yeah, well yeah, I guess you're right. Yeah. The
the Bill Belichick er a North Carolina's it started off amazing, great,
I mean, that was what you thought it was going
to be. Right. They went right down the field, you know,
and then played a little defense and then the game started.

Speaker 5 (02:29):
Then the rest of the game took place, and it
was like whoah, yeah, TCU had a ten to seven lead,
and then there was a pick six and it was
just like.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
Boom, and they needed some glucco. That's the sound effect
you're making, you know. I've heard that before us for
something else. So if they came out really hard in
that first that first that first set of plays, that
first drive, they needed some I needed some assistance after.

Speaker 5 (03:02):
That, Yeah, that was not ideal. I was still kind
of I was, look, I North Carolina plus three and
a half, all ow in it. That's my fault.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
I'll wear that one there. That's a bad What was
Quinn's wins? What was your pick on this one?

Speaker 6 (03:20):
I would not have selected North Carolina for a few reasons.
I didn't select the game, but had I, I would
have gladly laid.

Speaker 3 (03:28):
The points, even though you don't love three and a
half as a number.

Speaker 6 (03:32):
TCU and Sonny Dikes, I mean, this is not like
a program that's an upstart or in some sort.

Speaker 3 (03:38):
Of rebuild mode.

Speaker 6 (03:40):
Outside of the speculation of Josh over their quarterback being
a furry that dude can sling it. So I think
there was so many more questions around North Carolina and
what this is going to look like. And you can
sense from Bill Belichick. I know people wrote it off
as this is just Bill Belichick saying typical Bill Belichick things.

(04:00):
But when he was like, we just hoped to take
care of the football and uh, fundamentally sound, I was like,
all right with their ass kicked, because this is a
team that's again not that long removed from playing for
a national championship. TCU has some pieces and they are
kind of reloading. They try to make a run the

(04:22):
Big twelve this year.

Speaker 5 (04:23):
Uh Bill Belichick did speak after did Yeah, he did,
h and I want to sounded like this.

Speaker 7 (04:30):
Oh well, it was a great, uh you know, great
atmosphere here for the game tonight. You know, fans were
at tremendous injury energy walk and you know we played
competitively but then just couldn't sustain it. So obviously we
have a lot of work to do. You know, he
did do a better job all the way around coaching,
playing all three phases of the game. Just wasn't up

(04:52):
to what it needs to be. And I know we're
a lot better than that. So we'll need to you know,
need to work on those things and show it on
Saturday and turn around. But you know, get TCU credit
that came in did a good job, and they were
clearly the better team tonight. You know, they deserve to
win and and uh they did it decisively.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
There you go. I mean you had Lt. Michael Jordans.

Speaker 3 (05:16):
Yeah, and no, none of that mattered.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
I mean you had Randy Moss in the building.

Speaker 3 (05:23):
You Randy.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
I mean it was a who's who of people. He
had the same environment. I mean like Coach had the
same environment.

Speaker 7 (05:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:32):
I mean it's a sad thing that then they pete
it away. He had Travis Hunter and Sanders or whatever.

Speaker 6 (05:40):
Yeah, if you if you think about the debut, if
you think about the debut of Coach Prime, they they
played TCU and beat Well yeah, but that game could
have gone either way. They beat Yeah, they what I'm
saying like it was right there at their place. It
wasn't like I was like, oh no, it'd be no.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
It could have gone either way. I remember, I remember
a couple of things we were there for. I will say,
you know, Prime took a l this this week two.
I just feel like all these guys, you know, Mike Vick,
DeShawn Jackson, I mean, Eddie, George Fared well, well, you know,

(06:20):
I think that was maybe about it, like for the
high profile famous former player quarterbacks, I mean or or
you know, coaches and.

Speaker 3 (06:29):
I don't know, you only got one quarterback.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
I mean I met coaches, I.

Speaker 3 (06:33):
Don't know wide receiver.

Speaker 2 (06:35):
Yeah, yeah, I meant coaches, former high profile players. I
think it was sunny. Dikes was saying, Uh, they were
talking about it during the game, they thought about last
year or the year before last year year.

Speaker 5 (06:48):
Well, he just said that they didn't handle the playing
Deon Sander or coach.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
The magnitude they lost. They lost in the magnitude of
the game. They didn't lose the game.

Speaker 5 (06:59):
And you know, he kind of took a little bit
from that, but everybody will. By the way, I didn't
realize the significance because I remember when it happened, but
I don't know that we spent a lot of time
talking about it. Max Johnson's the severity of his injury
that he suffered, the leg injury. They showed the scar
going up his entire like the side of his leg

(07:19):
by his femur Brad Johnson's son, who was there. And
he got into the game because North Carolina's starter got
hurt and threw a touchdo the pass and I didn't
realize he almost lost his leg. I mean, I remember
it happening because it was week when it was in
the opener last year. But they showed the scarring last

(07:40):
night during the game and it was wild to look at.
So that was, you know, at least one feel good
moment for North Carolina. I have to forgive me everything else.
I was watching Gilded Era bad then.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
Oh you were out. I was out. Damn, I was out.
I didn't see the finish of the games. Sorry, guys,
you were watching What the Guilt Era? What the hell's that?
Check it out. It's on Pride. I mean, if you're
into that type of stuff, you know, I don't know
what that don't You got to check it out. Yeah,
it's it's like an old school movie, Gilded Age. Yeah,

(08:13):
it's pretty Dope's very inspiring, you know, just how they
did things back then, you know, set up of the
cribs and you know, it was just pretty pretty interesting
set up of the cribs. Yeah, I mean, it wasn't
a great time for for my my group of people,
but we were making we were making moves a little

(08:33):
bit though, you know, but it's still inspired, you know,
what about lease type of people. These type of people
were hanging out with my type of people. They were
probably in the kitchen or handling buggy duties, you know,
cart you know, make sure that the ladies were were
getting on the you know, to their destinations by horse

(08:55):
carriage properly. I don't think Lee's people were the main
characters in the show, is what I'll say. You know, yeah,
so it's a good show, and it was more interesting
to get back to watching that and you know, fighting
for social status and trying to build your railroad and
all that stuff, versus watching the end of the North

(09:17):
Carolina TCU game. That was the point that I was
making sloppy. I needed to stimulate my mind and that
U n C t TCU game was not doing that anymore.
Noting that, no, no, it wasn't it still a fun.

Speaker 3 (09:32):
I thought, there's a lot of games I follow in
that category.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
For there were, there were yours wasn't one of them, though.
That was an intriguing guy. That was a good guy.
It's funny.

Speaker 6 (09:42):
Like to recap week one, I would just generally say
there was a lot of good games, a lot of
a lot of fun. I think we learned a lot
about teams even in their losses, like that was one
to me where somehow I feel more optimistic about Notre
Dame following that loss.

Speaker 3 (09:58):
In part because like some of the up as fixable.

Speaker 6 (10:01):
You know, there's different things like I saw from that
game where you've got a new defensive coordinator and Chris
ash for Notre Dame and they're mixing in different guys
in different spots because I think they're trying to kind
of settle in on who's going to be the guy
and there's that or even what the rotation is going
to be on defense.

Speaker 3 (10:17):
So like those things are easily fixable.

Speaker 6 (10:20):
The offensive line first time going up against with that group,
going up against a really good group of edge rushers
for Miami, there were some you know, there's some guys
who will come back to or starters who weren't there.
But you're trying to figure all that stuff out. The
one thing though, is that QB CJ.

Speaker 3 (10:37):
Carr is a baller.

Speaker 6 (10:39):
Like that young man was poised, He was tough, made
plays when he needed to let his team right back
into it to have a shot there at the end.
I know people were like, you know, people were frustrated,
Jeremi I love didn't get more touches, which I look
at it and say, I get the frustration. The problem
is he had over twenty five percent of the targets
slash touches.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
Thumping him too. I mean there was I didn't expect,
but everyone's better. He was getting up slow though, I
didn't like it, like late in the game, so it's
too early. Is that is that his personality to get
up slow?

Speaker 6 (11:13):
Oh yeah, he's trying to jump over it, for one,
all the time. You know, Jenerian Price went and there
he had a really nice series where he drove right
down the field. So I don't know what you said.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
I said, well then f Jeremidah and I was, I
was concerned for him. But if that's not how Jim
Brown used to get up too though exactly like he
was hurt, all right, that's exactly. I was like concerned
for him, like dang now really hitting him?

Speaker 5 (11:36):
If you if you go and I know we're going
to get into the Texas side of it in that
lost to Ohio State, but if you're well, if you're
a team that's got the balls, you got to talk
about it real time.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
Yeah, because if you if you go on the road week.

Speaker 5 (11:51):
One, especially in some of these environments like and you
can you know it. Alabama's a whole other conversation. Alabama, sold,
don't do what you're about, Jonas. Don't don't do what
you're going on the road in week one in a
difficult place like that, Like it's not like Notre Dame
one on the road.

Speaker 6 (12:08):
We don't need to talk about Penn State. You guys
don't plenty one. We did a great win. You didn't
play it. We didn't all right about the big boys.
Then I was talking about the peak. I'm just saying
you can. I'll get the count of the back. We're
not gonna talk Penn State because.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
I break up Penn State. We had a fine weekend.
I was done with the game at half time. I
was actually done with that exactly for the UNC game.
We're excited for them to play so at some point
this season this week, what what one Brady Quinn just
did is that's where you were trying to proper And

(12:44):
I was not trying to attack Jonah onthing I was not.
That was proper joning etiquette. You take the attention off
of where the attention was and you put it on
something else, and you do it where the person that
was about the jone now has to do what I'm doing,
which is defend what we thrown out there. I was
not bringing up Penn State. I was not, And again

(13:06):
you're You're one hundred percent right. Nevada was not going
to be that big of a challenge. I saw some
really fine things take place with our team, but I
wasn't going to make it about Penn State. I was
making it about the fact that you you were about
you were about you were about to put arch Manning

(13:28):
in purgatory, no until he gets to a better day.
I was not. I was not about to do that. Okay,
we'll go ahead and finish what you were going to
say about arch man and going into the horse. You go,
thank you.

Speaker 5 (13:38):
My point was, if you're one of these teams and
you go on the road, you dare to go on
the road and take on, you know, a quality opponent
in week one.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
Yep, you deserve a lot of credit for that.

Speaker 5 (13:51):
That's why. Look the L s US win over Clemson.
Brian Kelly was winless in season openers with L s U.
They five straight as a program. The fact that they
won that game even better. But if they lost that
one too, I'd be like, listen. But they went on
the road. That's a difficult environment. Same for Notre Dame.
That crowd was juiced up on whatever they were juiced

(14:13):
up on.

Speaker 2 (14:13):
You know, they was the Sugar Texas, the pink thing,
all that. You know, they had all kinds of stuff
going on. Mike Irvin was leading the charge. Mike was
leading the chart boy, because sweat turned up my back,
my knees, my shoulders, my neck, everything was hurt watching

(14:36):
Mike jump around the way that he was doing, Like, God, bless,
I love my team. I can't do all that jumping around. Man.
That's sorry. Not for the first game. At least, maybe
I might lose it in the championship round, but god dang,
not the first game out, Mike, Come on, save some
of that energy. Oh. Fun weekend though, fun weekend. That

(14:57):
was a great weekend. It was, It really was.

Speaker 6 (15:00):
Can we have the conversation though about ours? Because look,
he started games before, and everyone acts like that was
his first start. It was his first road start. It
was his first you know time attempting a pass on
the road.

Speaker 3 (15:13):
But people act.

Speaker 6 (15:15):
Like, oh, this was his competition back in high school.
This is why he struggled so much. Like dude, he
played throughout the course of the playoffs.

Speaker 3 (15:23):
It wasn't like he hasn't been in in bigger moments
like the kid truth is very capable of being a
quarterback that's the defend title holder.

Speaker 6 (15:33):
Like well, but but but that's that's one thing. They
lost fourteen guys the NFL Draft. They had eight new
starters on defense, so right, so, and they have a
new defensive coordinator, newk coordinator. There's a lot of changes. Like,
I don't chalk that.

Speaker 3 (15:46):
Up to well, that's the defending national because there's not
many guys coming back from that team. I mean, they
have a new starting quarterback for that for that matter.
But what I would say is what I would say
is this, it's not just a state Like map Atricia
came in and literally did a master's class on how
to make a quarterback feel about as uncomfortable and lack

(16:08):
confidence as anyone I've ever seen. Like his ability to
kind of put in coverages and disguise looks and pressures
to get to the point where where every time march
Manding dropped back and I went through every throw every
play yesterday, there's nowhere to go to the football like.
There was a few times where you know, he made
some throws, in particular, once he finally found a rhythm

(16:30):
there more than a two minute drive at the end
of the game. The touchdown pass, the ball out the
sideline to the tight end. There was a couple in there.

Speaker 6 (16:37):
But for the most part, like his fundamentals weren't great,
he seemed like he was completely off rhythm, off timing
with what the offense called to do.

Speaker 3 (16:45):
You know, sometimes he got lazy with it. Everyone's gonna
go back to the throw.

Speaker 6 (16:48):
To Ryan Wingoing on the shallow cross where he threw
it behind him.

Speaker 3 (16:51):
There's no doubt he forced some footballs in there too.
But go back and watch the tape like I'm not
I'm not sitting there saying, oh that man, he missed
a bunch of throws or missed bunch of reads. There
was nothing there for him. Like that is as good
a defense as you will see the entire season, especially
for a big game. Give Ahouse State credit and the

(17:11):
pass us. What was interesting about is, you know, people
tend to kind of confuse when you say something like this.
They were rushing to contain him.

Speaker 6 (17:20):
They weren't necessarily rushing to sack him first, if you
understand what I'm saying. Yeah, like they were rushing to
make sure that he didn't get outside the pocket, and
they try to suffocate it out around him. And it
was interesting watching it on tape because you could tell
he wanted to leave the pocket, he wanted to try
to get out and run, and he felt like he
was like he couldn't really see he couldn't really get

(17:41):
out where he wanted to, you know, be able to
see the field a little bit better, and I think
it was really unsettling for him. And so for that
game and that moment, to have a performance like that, Yeah,
it looks it looks crappy. Everyone's gonna come at you
now that we live in a world of social media
where any swinger Joe can make a comment. I hope
he puts the blinders in your muffs on. I hope

(18:02):
he's able to overcome it because the kids got talent ability,
and I think this is still a really good team.
Like the one thing I'd say about all through the
Top ten matchups is those six teams, because there's three
of those games, they're all going to be a playoff team,
like I can promise you that I would be shocked
if LSU, Clemson, Ohio State, Texas Suntard Day in Miami
don't make the playoff because all like those teams like Wall,

(18:25):
those games looked it looked like big boys playing. It
looked like a different level of the sport than everything
else that I watched this weekend.

Speaker 2 (18:33):
They definitely showed that they can bounce back, especially Notre Dame.
You seeing their personality last year. I've said it before.
If you're going to lose a game, lose it early.
If you want to lose a big game, lose it early.
Especially with the expanded playoffs. Yeh, lose it early. It's
not as punitive as it was, you know, if you

(18:53):
were counting it.

Speaker 6 (18:54):
It really it doesn't matter that much. I mean, Ohio
State took the worst loss they've had in the ohastan
Michigan Robi.

Speaker 3 (18:58):
They still made it y.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
I just say lose it early because you get it
out of the way. You get the pressure of being
undefeated out of the way. You could sit there and say,
you know, we got to get better and how did
we lose that? Or or that was a really good
game that we played and it's just early. We lost it.
Let's get better. I think it gives you like a
different mindset knowing that you got that loss out of
the way, because in college sports, especially in football, there's

(19:24):
this idea of going undefeated, and sometimes going undefeated is
more becomes more of a focal point than winning games.
And I know that might sound like weird, like what
you mean if you go undefeated that means you win. No,
I'm saying the ultimate goal, like what Ohio State was
able to do, or even though There Dame was able
to do to even play for the national title. The

(19:45):
ultimate goal is to make it to the end and
be able to play for a national title. It doesn't
say you got to be undefeated to do that, but
I think sometimes there's unnecessary pressure that mounts up when
you have an undefeated season goal. It's like a no
no picture going right. It's like the closer you get
to that no no hitter going on, not no picture,

(20:07):
but no hitter, the closer you get. It's really not
about your effectiveness of making sure like you do what
you need to do so when it's surviving to trying
to get it right. So I mean get it out
of the way. I mean, play a big game. You
reaped the spoils of winning early on, but that could
be false. Just like losing early on you you garner

(20:28):
all of the venom and all of the hate that
comes your way when you lose a big one or
you lose one early, but you have a whole entire
season to play your way out of it. So I mean,
I don't I don't see it as a bad thing.
It's just all about the leadership and how the coaches
and the players respond to having a first you know,
first week where they lose the game.

Speaker 5 (20:47):
The arch Manning hype train he was it was going
to be next to impossible for him to live up to.

Speaker 2 (20:54):
All the hype that was going into it.

Speaker 5 (20:56):
Like you had people pointing out all the Heisman odds
are changing mid game and this is going it's like
Jesus who started that? Like who started this whole all?
You know, Arch Manning's going to be the gonna win
the highest Maybe he's gonna.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
For what it's worth, Jonas, if a kid is going
to have a real legitimate shot of winning the Heisman,
there has to be somewhat of a little bit of
a hype train, even if it's not a super large one,
and like you want to keep them under wraps, you
still got to have a hype train coming into it.
I mean that's what you want to have. You want
the spotlight on you if that's what you're going for,

(21:31):
and sometimes you don't ask for it. It's just a
part of the way you played or what's connected to you.

Speaker 5 (21:37):
Or it could build up during the season, not before
the season actually starts, and we're talking about.

Speaker 2 (21:43):
That's fair too, but but there might be a guy
that's ahead of you based off of the hype train
they had coming into the season. By the way, what
was the scene like there in Columbus?

Speaker 3 (21:52):
How is incredible?

Speaker 6 (21:53):
I Mean it felt like as big of a college
football game as I've ever been around. Been a part of,
like the crowds, the patient just the way I think
the intensity in the stadium.

Speaker 3 (22:04):
I mean you can feel it. I mean obviously it
was a low scoring game.

Speaker 6 (22:06):
Also like how State ran away with it, so you know,
as tex just kind of started amount of comeback and
make it really interesting in there in the end.

Speaker 3 (22:14):
You know, we're some.

Speaker 6 (22:16):
Of the guys are watching going man, I got a
flight to catch, but I'll gladly stay for this if
it goes into overtime. You know what the type of
atmosphere it was, but it was it felt like a
playoff atmosphere.

Speaker 3 (22:28):
I mean, it felt different than other games you're part of, so.

Speaker 6 (22:31):
It's you know there, It's hard to describe to people,
but it's like college football has this feel where just
it feels there's something about the authentic, genuine feel, nostalgic feel, tradition,
all the things that go along with it. This was
like another level above that. And I don't know how
how to put it into words, but I guess if
you were a part of any of the playoff games

(22:52):
last year, like it felt like there was a lot
on the line and obviously no one's getting eliminated right now,
but it felt like it was about the Big Ten
versus the SEC. It felt like it was about arch
Manning's heisman opportunity, your heisman chances. It felt like it
was about an Ohio State team that feels like they
are good enough to repeat for.

Speaker 3 (23:11):
A national championship. It felt like every single.

Speaker 6 (23:14):
Narrative that was out there that was a part of
this game, Like you're saying, how the Heisman odds are
changing during it felt like all that was going on
at once.

Speaker 3 (23:24):
That's how big it felt.

Speaker 5 (23:25):
Yeah, the presentation on TV was great. Like it it
felt massive. The when you were doing the pregame and
my son walks in the.

Speaker 2 (23:35):
Room, Papa, Papa.

Speaker 5 (23:38):
He's watching the games, watching the pregame, and I'm like,
go Cubs depesche mode.

Speaker 2 (23:41):
Yeah. I told him.

Speaker 5 (23:41):
I was like, hey, I'm all, well, you know what
you know Uncle Brady, Well, that's that's my friend, that's him.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
Did you say, go Cubs des Oh wait wait wait
wait wait wait do you see uncle Brady? Yeah, that's
my friend. Yeah. Well I'm trying you do you do
know like uncle and friend, Like that's kind of you know,
uncle is family, not not friends.

Speaker 3 (24:03):
Yeah, but we're using it in the way that way,
you know, you know you'd use it.

Speaker 2 (24:07):
Well, you mean, what do you mean?

Speaker 3 (24:09):
What I mean?

Speaker 2 (24:09):
What do you mean?

Speaker 1 (24:10):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (24:10):
You know that's that's my cousin, that's my cousin. That's
actually not cousin.

Speaker 2 (24:14):
What do you mean?

Speaker 1 (24:16):
Wait?

Speaker 2 (24:17):
Oh no, what do you say exactly? Are you insinuating
that black people call everybody cousin uncle cousin?

Speaker 3 (24:26):
There's a lot of that going.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
I trust me. My kids got a lot of people.
Na I call him that nephew Labar. Won't you let
him finish? Cauz.

Speaker 3 (24:35):
So but tell me I'm wrong? No, no, no, tell me
I'm wrong right now exactly, my bro. It's a term of.

Speaker 5 (24:46):
Yeah, he's watching, he's watching you on TV. He goes,
he's my friend too, he's my friend too. I was like,
you're right, you're right. Here's your friend. That's right, by cool.

Speaker 3 (24:55):
He doesn't care about football. Ges he doesn't care about football.

Speaker 5 (24:58):
Okay, Papa, we go throw ball? He uh, Papa, he
saw it. He still thinks to Nitney Lyon is a wolf.
So we're watching the Penn State game.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
He goes the Wolves the wolves, and so you get
the wolves. Yeah, but it was, uh, it was.

Speaker 5 (25:12):
Like the whole scene was fantastic. It looked like everybody
was gassed up. But did you see Albert Breer by
the way?

Speaker 2 (25:18):
Was he there?

Speaker 4 (25:18):
Was?

Speaker 2 (25:18):
He?

Speaker 3 (25:19):
I did saw Albert. He came by with his fam.

Speaker 6 (25:21):
I told uh, his his two boys. I said, hey, guys, now,
you gotta be good for mom. Okay, because sometimes you guys.

Speaker 3 (25:28):
Actually make our national radio show and the hours gonna laughing,
but no, it was great.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
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Speaker 5 (26:23):
Potentially some cause for concern here? Uh oh, Micah Parsons, No,
who is donning the number one in green Bay? He'll
be wearing number one, MICHAEH. Parsons in Green Bay. Apparently
he might need to get an epidural if he's going
to play against the Detroit Lions. According to Adam Schefter,

(26:47):
he's been dealing with an L four L five facet
joint sprain in his back. He may need the injection
because it may help him play. Before trading for Parsons
life last week, the Cowboys prescribed him a five day
course of anti inflammatories to help him recover from back tightness.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
They also had him on.

Speaker 5 (27:08):
A physical therapy program. So that is the situation when
it comes to Michaeh Parsons as he gets ready for
the opener against the Detroit Lions. Is this concerning or
is this nowhere near the level of what Matthew Stafford
was dealing with with his back issue.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
OK?

Speaker 6 (27:24):
You, I think anything involving a back issue is concerning
in my opinion, dealt with L four or five L
five S one back issues. Had my disc taken out
on the L four L five my right side, So
it's yeah, it's extremely problematic. It makes me wonder if
this was something that the Cowboys knew and it was

(27:46):
part of their hesitation with some of the negotiations, or
maybe part of the lack of guarantees or how they
structured the guarantees within the contract. That forced Dave Mulligetta
and Michah Parsons to to look elsewhere and maybe feel
like they couldn't get a deal done. You know, these
sorts of things don't get better, you know, I mean

(28:08):
unless I'm wrong, which I've never known anyone who had
back issues that are like, yeah, actually I you know,
had a back issue and now I'm back stronger and
better than ever. Like I've never heard of an athlete
who's had that. So that that's what it leads me
to think, is you know, a like, what are the
Packers getting in this trade? You know, it will make
up Parsons be able to be the Mica Parsons we've

(28:29):
seen over the course of his career so far, and
then it's like is this thing going to plague him
the rest of his career.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
I've taken a little bit of a different different approach
to it. There have been back injuries you can come
back from, man.

Speaker 3 (28:44):
I mean they're not saying come back, but I'm saying
how many guys have had them and then like been
a better player?

Speaker 2 (28:48):
Well, I'll say, like Tommy John Yeah, but it's not
I don't think this is that far into it being
a bad situation, like any surgery. It's just I was like,
like if somebody were to throw their back out breaking
leaves or mowing the lawn or something like that, like
you give it a little bit of time, it comes

(29:09):
back to normal. I think a sprain in your back
is much different than degenerative, like to end up having
to get a disc removed. I mean, maybe that happens
down the line. I don't know. I don't know if
it becomes a degenerative issue. But if I don't hear
degeneratives as they're they're talking about about it, or like

(29:30):
arthretic type of deals where where it seems like that's
like you can't really come back from that. If it's
just a strained a pooled muscle in your back, I
don't I don't see it being a big, big situation.
And to give that amount of money that that they've
offered in the contract for the trade, and and to

(29:52):
give away what they did in assets to the Cowboys,
he was going to have to go through a pretty
good I mean, we all know doctors, if they really
want a player, they're going to pass the guy through
through a physical anyway. But they're not I don't see
them doing that type of deal. If something shows up
on the MRIs and the scans that they run when

(30:14):
they're doing the physical before they do this deal, I
don't think it's a red flag at this moment. I'll
say so getting an epidor getting an epidoral doesn't like
it sounds worse than what it is. Really all you're
doing is basically taking an injection in the area that
doles the pain of where you have the pain. I'd

(30:35):
be no different if you were to do it for
a knee or for a toe, like if you had
turf toe. You know, sometimes they do injections that like
kind of block where where the pain is. I don't
I don't see it from my perspective as being that serious.
And I'm not just saying that because it's Michael Parsons. Yeah,

(30:56):
all right, there we go. I knew that was coming.
I knew that was lead. The laugh was concerned.

Speaker 5 (31:01):
I know that he was really sweating his balls off
yesterday when the news came out.

Speaker 9 (31:05):
That's not true, but yeah, I mean it's of course
it's concerning, just hearing about the big, big name player
of course being injured.

Speaker 2 (31:12):
But I think he's gonna be fine. Just like v LaVar.
You put me at ease just now with the yeah,
I mean he's not They're not saying he's injured right that,
they're saying he's dealing with a strain in his back.

Speaker 9 (31:24):
I mean I do see that term he used degenerative, degenerative.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
Uh now if you hear it out there, but if
you hear if you hear that, then that's where there's
no come out there, but there's no coming back from that.

Speaker 9 (31:36):
Oh, you're internet the doctors, your armchair doctors.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
If those armchair doctors are accurate.

Speaker 6 (31:43):
I mean you mean the guy who actually like have
like they have their you know, m D. But they're
just online looking at it. Is that what you're saying.

Speaker 9 (31:51):
Yeah, just a lot of responses to these reports, like
people saying that the packers didn't know and uh, people
chiming in about you know, they sound like they know
what they're talking about. They put throughout a lot of
big words and say that the sprain probably is trying
to describe a degenerative issue, which.

Speaker 2 (32:08):
As possible because of strain as a tear. I will
say this about the cowboys.

Speaker 6 (32:15):
The cowboys, I think their doctors did Jalen Smith's knee surgery.
If I'm not mistaken, remember when he heard in the festival, Yeah,
and he was at like a lock for being a
first round pick. Well, the Cowboys end up taking them.
Now he dropped to the second round. But I believe
if my information is correct, their medical staff was the
ones who did the surgery, and I think that they

(32:37):
felt comfortable enough because they knew, you know, what they
were getting.

Speaker 3 (32:41):
Based on again doing the surgery.

Speaker 6 (32:44):
So there is something you know to that when it's
your player, you have a history of it and you're
able to kind of, you know, then look at it
moving forward. There's an element I think of them feeling
more comfortable with what they're offering for a contract where
they feel like the players in his career or his
his lifespan and his playing career.

Speaker 3 (33:04):
So that might be something to that. I don't know.

Speaker 6 (33:06):
I mean, look, I hope he's the player that we've
all seen because you know, the NFL needs that. It'd
be fun to see the Packers with Rashaan Gary on
one side him on the other what that.

Speaker 3 (33:15):
Would look like. But it would be a shame if
you know, he went there and he.

Speaker 6 (33:20):
Is, like I thought, the whole back story he was
telling during camp and everything else. I thought that was
just a negotiation tag day. I didn't actually think there
was anything legitimately there.

Speaker 5 (33:29):
I mean, yeah, it's I also, did you see the
Albert Breer story that so Albert Breer was reporting on,
you know, some of the stuff that was going on
in Dallas with Micah Parsons, and he said, quote, Zach Martin, C. D. Lamb,
and Dak Prescott are and were very popular in the
locker room. That's not the case with Parsons, who has

(33:49):
rankled teammates in different ways, seen by some as egotistical
and self centered. His podcast has created issues too that
go all the way up to quarterback Dak Prescott. So
I already starting to get the uh, you know now
he's got a back issue. Now he was a pain
in the ass behind the scenes. Like it feels like
we're starting to get some of the Micah shade thrown

(34:09):
out there when it comes to their experience.

Speaker 2 (34:12):
And they could they could throw shade out there, but
it's it's done. He's not he's no longer a Dallas cowboy.
I mean, prepare for your season. I think they have
a lot of bigger fish to fry. They signed Doron
Bland to a deal. See right there you go. They
did get that extension done, So it was interesting.

Speaker 6 (34:32):
Didn't that kind of look reactionary because that's a big
deal and it's I'm not saying it's close to Micah's.

Speaker 3 (34:37):
I mean it's not too far off, like total value
of the deal. But you look at it, you just go,
all right, did they just say, Okay, we're going to
show people we have the cap space.

Speaker 6 (34:46):
We could do a deal if we wanted to. We
just we didn't like it. We could work out with Micah.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
I had to do something. They win, don't have it
right now. If you're a betting man, who's gonna finish
higher green Bay, right, I'm taking green Bay easily stick. Yeah.
I mean that was cue that threw out the pick,
but I agreed with him. I be surprised if Dallas

(35:14):
can reach ten wins, They're going to struggle to reach
ten wins, if you if from looking at it, because
talent will never outperform dysfunction and while he may be
highly functioning business wise and as a brand. I saw
this happening in Washington, and listen, I get that Jerry

(35:35):
Jones has much more of a resume than what Dan
Snyder had or had. But a lot of the things
that you see taking place in Dallas are aily similar
to the things that was going on when Dan Snyder
owned the Washington Redskins. And that's just the reality of it,
and it comes across as very dysfunctional. I mean, we're

(35:56):
heading into gang week. This is week one, and and
Dallas is we're talking about reports of what people had
to say about Michael Parsons. Like, think about it. You
have enough on your plate just to prepare on a
regular work week to try to win a game. So
the fact that y'all are talking about Michael Parsons still

(36:18):
and you want to have like quotes and accounts as
to why you got rid of them, and this, that
and the other, that's confusion. No matter how you want
to splice it. That is creating confusion. Your locker room
has to talk about it. It's on their minds. That's
not an easy one to just move on from. Yep,
moving on, got a game this week? Like, no, they're
asking about Michael Parsons, who is probably again I asked

(36:42):
this question over the weekend. There's not one number one
most elite player up for discussion outside of Michael Parsons
that was on that roster. You can't say Dak Prescott
number one, number two. You can't say CD Lamb number one,
number two. Even though his yardage, you know he led

(37:03):
it with yardage. He's not a number one, number two
rated receiver in the league. That's justin Jefferson and our
guy out and Chase in Cincinnati. Hands down, I don't
think that's up for debate. Michael Parsons is up for
debate as most dominant defensive player in the league, the
only one you had on your team and you're going
into a season without him now due to a trade

(37:24):
you didn't want to pay him. Confusion will never outdo
or excuse me, talent will never outdo confusion. And that's
what you got going on in Dallas. I'll be shocked
if they hit ten wins. Their win total DraftKings is
seven and a half, so I'll be shocked if they
break seven and a half wins. I take that back.
You'll the under, Oh yeah, I take the.

Speaker 6 (37:46):
Underall sticks picks is the Khalil mac trade. The closest
thing we have to really look at, like how that
worked out in retrospect to both the Raiders and the Bears.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
I would I would say Reggie White, even though the
historical value of it was a little bit different, that
was a signing though, Yeah, I mean it was a
little different.

Speaker 6 (38:09):
I'm just I'm just trying to use an apples apples comparison,
like both edge Rusher is more recent, like in our
the start of this millennium, and.

Speaker 2 (38:17):
I don't think that even compares.

Speaker 6 (38:19):
I don't think, okay, but I understand the point of
trying to make in regards to the player. I'm just
saying promising Edge Rusher, like you would make the case
that when Khalil Mack was on the Raiders, number one
defensive player on that team, maybe the best overall player.

Speaker 3 (38:33):
On that team.

Speaker 2 (38:34):
Absolutely right, absolutely, So the reason why I would say
it's not comparable is what year was Khalil Mack in.
I think he was older five, he was going no, no,
it wasn't fun. Was it the same exact year? Twenty seven?
I think when he got de twenty eighteen, so he

(38:54):
was off of his he was still in his first contract.

Speaker 5 (38:58):
And that's why this Gruden had just taken over and
want to Oh well, yeah, they commit that much change,
is it?

Speaker 2 (39:03):
Yeah, well, yes, it is comparable. I thought he was
older when he left. No, no, no, he was. He
hadn't even came off of his first contract and.

Speaker 3 (39:13):
He was looking at he well, he was older in
the sense of his age because he got into the
NFL at twenty three, but in regards to his like
contract for being a first round pick, he was in
the very he's like almost the exact same spot. What's
interesting about it, though, is he goes to Chicago and
he's never ever able to replicate the production that he

(39:37):
had with the Raiders until he got to the Charges
when he turned thirty two. You know, I just I
think it's interesting that we like kind of tend to
look at this and this isn't like a comment to
like Devalue Michael Parsons's impact, how good of a player
he is.

Speaker 6 (39:53):
But I also think we tend to overvalue too, like
how good some guys are, and that like the next
guy is waiting to come in, can't have a good year,
can't have good production, or whatever else maybe the case
so like like they like, for example, if you're able
to find, you know, a couple of guys who can
come in and maybe one gives you nine, maybe one
gives you ten. One good guy gives you six, and

(40:15):
Parsons only has twelve sacks, you know for the package
next year, you kind of look at it and all right,
like maybe in the end, like we kind of it
worked out better for us. We're probably saving some money
under the cap. We've got guys who are you know,
equally as productive, if not more so, and you know
we've got some future draft capital on top of that.
That could be I don't know, I mean, that could be,

(40:36):
but of course it all can be. Mislead sack could
be a sack, like you know, when did you get
the sack? How did this sack? Like Michael Parsons is
a game wrecking machine. I'm not discounting that, Like I'm
not discounting any part of his game, even if I'm
just so if you look out and that's that, you
know what I mean? Like the passion of it is

(40:58):
the impact of game? How about this is the impact
of game planning. Like you're not gonna prepare for an
average NFL guy the same way you are Micat Parsons.

Speaker 3 (41:06):
You're gonna have to add chips.

Speaker 6 (41:07):
You're gonna have to put in things where you're probably
not running them to that side. You're gonna know wherever
he's out on the field. There might be times when
he's supposed to be on the left side he goes
on the right side, and then you have to slide
the line that way.

Speaker 3 (41:18):
Trust me, I know better than anyone else how this works.

Speaker 6 (41:21):
I'm saying in retrospect, when you look at how that
deal worked out for both Chicago and Oakland at the
time where the Raiders were, I'm not really sure it
worked out for anyone. Yeah, I mean, I mean, Jonas,
you're a Bears fan, Like, did you feel like the
Bears had he was like one year?

Speaker 2 (41:36):
Maybe?

Speaker 5 (41:36):
Yeah, I mean that was and that was the double
doint game where they went to the playoffs and Colomack
was good for him. He was especially good when they
had first gotten him in that first game.

Speaker 3 (41:46):
He was an All Pro that first year.

Speaker 5 (41:47):
Yea, and he and look, one of the draft picks
turned into Josh Jacobs, who ultimately you know how, I
gave him a whackers. So the Kolomac trade isn't like
I go back to this. You mean to tell me
Dallas couldn't have gotten something more for Michah Parsons like that.
That's the part that still is confusing to me, because

(42:09):
we were making the point that, yeah, they got a
couple of first round picks, but okay, well they got
a couple of first round picks, but they got a
couple of first round picks from a team that's going
to be picking what twenty six, twenty seven, maybe like
really late in the draft for the next couple of weeks.

Speaker 2 (42:25):
They're gonna stink. So that draft capital becomes more valuable
because you might be able to package that in.

Speaker 5 (42:31):
But it's at that point in the first round, it's
almost like a second round pick.

Speaker 2 (42:36):
You can package that that pick, that value of a
first round pick into a trade. Maybe, Yeah, I mean
that's what it is, right, That's why they call it draftcapay.
But maybe they could, and maybe somebody wouldn't take them up.

Speaker 5 (42:48):
On that, and maybe they won't, but if you got
a chance, I look at it and I go. Because
part of what was the motivating factor, and we mentioned
this today after the trade happened, and why Gruden Khalil
Mack to the Bears was the Packers were the other
team ironically that were in discussions with the Raiders about

(43:08):
Khalil Mack and he chose to do the deal with
Chicago because he thought the first round picks they were
going to get from Chicago better, We're going to be
higher up because they were a worse team. It flipped
and so those became later picks because the Packers struggled
that year and the Bears won the division.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
I just they went in more than seven.

Speaker 5 (43:26):
I find it hard to believe that there was no
other team that had an offs on the table other
than the Packers.

Speaker 6 (43:33):
I don't I don't get this, Like, how could it
you know, if I mean, he's everything that I think
we all look at him to be.

Speaker 3 (43:40):
How are the.

Speaker 6 (43:40):
Packers the only team who were in on this. There
wasn't anyone else. There was no one else interested in
Micah Parsons. I haven't heard of one other team reported
on that.

Speaker 2 (43:49):
And that's what's confusing.

Speaker 5 (43:50):
And Jerry Jones even said something along the lines of, listen,
we didn't want to trade it to Green Bay, but
you know, but we ended up having to do the.

Speaker 2 (43:59):
Deal with Cleveland negotiate against themselves at one point too,
and one of the largest fully guaranteed contracts in the history.
I know Atlanta, but.

Speaker 3 (44:10):
Atlanta, there's there's a few other teams.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
But but didn't they end up negotiating against themselves, like.

Speaker 6 (44:17):
They had to do that contract otherwise she was going
to Atlanta? Do you think that one hundred percent?

Speaker 3 (44:21):
I know, I know if not for that contract, he
was not going to be in Cleveland.

Speaker 2 (44:28):
Yeah, Okay, Well I don't know what to say. All
I'll say is he got his money from Green Bay.
I don't know if anybody else was out there knocking,
I don't know, but that wouldn't be That's Michael Parsons.
And again like if you're.

Speaker 3 (44:47):
If you're in New England, you have caps face too.
You wouldn't, Yeah, wouldn't. If you're Mike rab kicked the
tigers on that you have to.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
You have to.

Speaker 3 (44:55):
Maybe they feel like they're in rebuild Node and they
want to.

Speaker 2 (44:58):
But they were making it like they were interested in
t J. Watt or Hendrickson that.

Speaker 6 (45:03):
They were already there was already rumors of that, like
why would New England not be involved?

Speaker 3 (45:07):
Why wouldn't I mean, I.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
Mean, maybe maybe they poisoned the whale with some people.
Maybe it was like Okay, you know Michael Parsons likes
his podcast. Michael Parsons got a bad back. Michael Parsons
isn't like by his teammates in the locker.

Speaker 6 (45:21):
Everyone has a podcast now, Like, is that big of
an issue for teams?

Speaker 2 (45:26):
Being a sarcastic guy, I'd be that serious.

Speaker 3 (45:28):
Yeah, I hope that people really get that upset about podcasts.
I feel like there's so many out there.

Speaker 6 (45:33):
It's like I fully expect when I meet someone for
for the first time for them to say.

Speaker 3 (45:37):
Yeah, I have a podcast. But yeah, I get that.

Speaker 6 (45:39):
It's like social like everyone's had a podcast. Someone wants
to talk on camera to someone or to no one
and just talk, you know, Like I get it.

Speaker 3 (45:47):
So I don't know why that would.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
Even be happens to be doing it at a higher
level than a lot of these guys.

Speaker 3 (45:53):
It's like what it was on Zen's, Like everyone does
zins now. Yeah, Like I had neuroplasticity.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
The other day. One is doing Zen's on on a
golf course. I just did it, just to do it.
They were sitting there in front of me. My buddy
was did you feel like your mind was working faster?
I felt a little off balance actually for a few minutes,
and then then it came back around. Yeah, just for
a few minutes. Though nobody would have known. I linked

(46:22):
up against the counter.

Speaker 6 (46:24):
There is a h and I just want to preface
anything I say right now by this is probably not true.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
All right.

Speaker 6 (46:32):
Most things you see on social media are not fact
check true or have any evidence behind them. There's this
doctors like claiming that nicotine is like the wonder drug
that we've been missing forever and it would cure everything.
It's like every time he's like, oh yeah, like cancer,
nicotine can cure that, I'm like, what is this guy saying?
But it does lend itself to like this cult following

(46:53):
of Zen's and like every every person who does them's like,
oh yeah, it's making me healthier, it's making me smarter,
it makes my.

Speaker 3 (47:00):
Brain work faster. Neuroplasticity is what people will say.

Speaker 2 (47:02):
So what's the difference between a zin.

Speaker 3 (47:05):
There's no tobacco. Okay, I already knew you were going
with that. There's there's no tobacco.

Speaker 2 (47:10):
I had a coffee flavor, but it was really good.

Speaker 3 (47:16):
He was gonna say, like a lip bandit, or he
was going to say some stupid phrase for what he calls.
Were we gonna say that?

Speaker 2 (47:22):
No, I just you know what the difference between that
and a whip pillow?

Speaker 3 (47:25):
Hogs leg?

Speaker 2 (47:26):
Yeah, hogs leg, horseshoe.

Speaker 3 (47:28):
You know this is how well I know. I've known
Jonas for so long. I know the setup. By the way,
can you tell us the one time how Lovey Smith
decided he was starting?

Speaker 2 (47:39):
I think I don't think you've heard this.

Speaker 5 (47:41):
So Lovey Smith had Kyle Orton and Rex Gross camp,
so he was deciding on who was going to start
a preseason?

Speaker 2 (47:47):
So how did that work out? What? What do you do?
Flipping coins?

Speaker 4 (47:50):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (47:50):
Huh? Flip flip the coin? Was it best out of three?

Speaker 4 (47:54):
Nah?

Speaker 2 (47:55):
Just one time? No, I just need it one time
figure out and got the start and ultimately got the job. Yeah,
that's how that went. Okay, it's a good store. We'll
dust that one off next training camp. That's a really
good store.

Speaker 3 (48:09):
It's a great story.

Speaker 6 (48:09):
But you know what, though, what, Well, let's get to
something else that I think is more important to talk about.

Speaker 3 (48:15):
Okay, depending the Prostate Cancer Foundation. They're here to remind
you that help is a long game.

Speaker 6 (48:22):
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Speaker 2 (48:30):
Yeah, no doubt. Make sure you get that thing checked out, man.
Make sure it's clean. Make sure there's no polyps on
there or no growth. Health is wealth, and wealth is
you know your health. Would you check it out for
someone if they asked you to, I mean, if it
was going to save their lives, I certainly would. You know,

(48:52):
I'm going to get paid. You got to pay me
to do that dirty work. You know, the dirty work.

Speaker 3 (48:57):
Do you feel like you've done that enough to know
what's in there?

Speaker 8 (49:00):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (49:02):
That is a very very interesting question anything. Thank you, Lorena,
thank you, thank you for bailing me out right there,
because I'm just the one that's bold enough to answer
that candidly.

Speaker 3 (49:14):
Which I really didn't want to see where that was.

Speaker 2 (49:17):
Yeah I can, I would candidly answer that. But thanks
for bailing me out, Loreena. Hey man, I'll say this time,
good man.

Speaker 3 (49:24):
You looked good on the sideline too. They showed you.
I was like, he looked happy. He looked like he
was just floating out there.

Speaker 2 (49:28):
And shooting him up all morning. Oh gosh, Okay, thanks, guys.

Speaker 3 (49:32):
I'm just saying, man, you looked it looked like it
was an awesome weekend for you.

Speaker 2 (49:35):
It was good. It definitely was good. It's always nice
to be back, man, being.

Speaker 3 (49:42):
I understand why you don't just move there for this
period of time.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
You know, it's possible that that could happen. It's possible.
It's a lot of traveling, man, that's that's a lot
of traveling back and forth. But I do have a
daughter at Oregon that I want to see play too,
and I do like be each beach weather when I
woke up, when I woke up on Sunday, Sunday night,
or Monday, Monday morning, Monday morning, it was, it was.

(50:09):
It was just it's different. I can't. I can't live
on the East coast ever. Again, maybe unless it's Miami,
but I can't. If it's not like where I'm at now,
I don't want to do it. I need motivation, So
there you go, get motivation that's out of State College.
Though I love State College and I love the way
our people are and all that good stuff. I love

(50:30):
State College and will be there a lot, but I
just don't want to live there so especially when it
starts snowing.

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Speaker 5 (50:45):
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Speaker 2 (51:00):
Good morning, what's up guy?

Speaker 4 (51:02):
How are you all right?

Speaker 3 (51:03):
Hey, Pete?

Speaker 4 (51:05):
Hey, yea. By the way, I was watching the Penn
State game the other day and they showed some guy
from the nineteen forties on the sideline and he was
there watching the game, and then they said it was
LeVar Ericton. I go, god, what happened?

Speaker 3 (51:21):
Went out the gate?

Speaker 2 (51:24):
You know, Pete? I let you have that. Pete.

Speaker 4 (51:28):
You know I love you.

Speaker 2 (51:30):
I love you back, Pete, I love you.

Speaker 4 (51:32):
But you made who was standing? Who are standing there?
And they said, oh my god, you look like you
would disabuse him and throw him to the wall and
beat the daylights. I mean you were like double his
you're big.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
Yeah. I heard out a lot that I'm a big dude.
I don't. I mean, I think I'm obese, and I
fight that. I deal with that. I deal with you.

Speaker 4 (51:56):
You were just always a big you. Forget how big
you were when you played Ransom.

Speaker 3 (52:02):
Yeah, big guys, a big boy. Hey, I wanna want
to pick your brain about last night.

Speaker 6 (52:09):
I assumed you watched the deput of Bill Belichick.

Speaker 3 (52:13):
At at the unc Andy. All right, go ahead, just
take it away.

Speaker 4 (52:17):
Well, it just proves that players matter. I mean, and
you know, I guess Mike Lombardi hasn't done his job.
There goes because they don't have any players.

Speaker 2 (52:28):
I mean, very is what you're saying.

Speaker 4 (52:31):
Well, I mean, look, we know Belichick and coach, but
it doesn't matter if you don't have players. And clearly
they don't have any players, because okay, you might lose
that game, but they get beat the way you got beat.
That tells you that the roster is not very good.
And so from that standpoint, it's going to be a
tough turnaround for him. I don't care how good a
coach you are. If it's it's always been about players,

(52:53):
it always will win and.

Speaker 3 (52:54):
Always has this You're right, you're right, And and then
look I think love art. I both feel the way.

Speaker 6 (52:58):
Maybe Jonas does you know he's a player, But what
I was going to ask you is do you feel
like Also, It's just they're two different leagues.

Speaker 3 (53:05):
There are almost two different sports.

Speaker 6 (53:06):
Like, as good as you can be at the NFL level,
it's hard to then jump into college. I think you
can have the same success or as good as you
can to be in college to jump in the NFL
and have the same success.

Speaker 4 (53:17):
Yeah, they're two different games, but it's also structured two
different ways too. I mean, if you gave Bill Belichick
Oregon's money an Oregan's program, or Ohio State's money in
Ohio States program, you'd win there too. I Mean it's
really simple in college football. If you get the players
and you pay the players, you're gonna win. And you know,

(53:38):
now you pay them legally. Back in the day, you
pay them legally, and so yeah, I look. And in
the NFL you have a cap. You got to manage
the cap, and you got to manage your drafts and
you got to be good at that. It's different. It's
really an entirely different thing. I mean college football, you
can have one year. Okay, let's say North Carolina unloads
with money.

Speaker 2 (53:56):
Next year.

Speaker 4 (53:57):
They just find anything and everything they could possibly get,
and they start paying guys to come out of the portal.
You don't think they're going to be a better football team.

Speaker 2 (54:04):
Of course they will be.

Speaker 4 (54:05):
It's really a simple thing. Players win. They always will.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
I thought that's what they did this year. But I
guess I.

Speaker 4 (54:12):
Guess not well, I mean, maybe they need a new
general manager.

Speaker 2 (54:17):
They brought in a lot of new players through that portal.
I thought that's what they did.

Speaker 4 (54:21):
Yeah, them. I think there's seventy guys, and I think
thirty something of them came after spring ball.

Speaker 3 (54:25):
I mean, well, pretty hard to get.

Speaker 6 (54:27):
Forty are transfers, thirty are freshmen.

Speaker 3 (54:31):
So that's the top.

Speaker 4 (54:31):
Okay, so that's seventy new players.

Speaker 2 (54:34):
Yeah, it's a lot. That's a lot. Speaking speaking of transferring,
I'm going to steal it because I know Jonas wants
to do it, and I'm jumping in because, well it's
my guy. You you said they all play, and you
said that it was pretty much a lock that Michael
Parsons would be playing for the Dallas Cowboys, but now

(54:56):
he goes to the Green Bay Packers. Just give us
your take. On on what took place.

Speaker 4 (55:01):
He playing?

Speaker 2 (55:02):
Is he playing? I mean, I'd assume he's going to play.

Speaker 4 (55:06):
Of course he's gonna play. They all play.

Speaker 2 (55:09):
I thought you were talking about the Helly All show.
But you said he was going to show up for
the Dallas Cowboys Pete Priskot and traded if they hadn't.

Speaker 4 (55:16):
Traded me Winter showed up for the Dallas Cowboy.

Speaker 2 (55:19):
So you were on the right side of your prediction.

Speaker 4 (55:21):
I'm always on the right side of that predict. They
all show up to play. Who's not playing? By the way,
this week the games start on Thursday. Which NFL player
isn't playing because of this contract?

Speaker 2 (55:31):
I mean you make a valid point. It's a valid point.

Speaker 4 (55:33):
Looks like I said, all summer long, they all play.
Whether whether he gets traded or not, they all play.
And look, I think if you're the Green Bay Packers,
it's a great move. And normally I'll be the first
one to say this. I hate trade and page because
you're giving up valuable assets in draft picks to get
a guy and then you have to unload the money

(55:54):
on him and that's going to be a salary cap
problem for you. But this guy's twenty six years old.
It's not like he's, you know, thirty. You're trading for
a guy in his prime. And the one thing, and
when I was in Green Bay, the one thing sitting
in mettla Flor's office, he said is we got to
rush the passer better. And now they're going to rush
the passer better. It balances that defensive line, It gives

(56:15):
it you know, Gary on one side. On the other,
Ben could come in and now all of a sudden
they get after the quarterback. So I usually hate trade
and page, but I think it works for the Packers.
By the way, you guys know, I had the Packers
in the Super Bowl even yeah, so even before that trade,
and now I think even more so. So I think
I think it's a great trade. From the Cowboys standpoint, Look,
you never let a guy like that go out the door.

(56:38):
But you also look at it from the standpoint that
what they win when he was there. And so if
you get those two picks and now you have four
first round picks, and you know, you can have a
ton of cap room. They have the second most cap
room in the league. Now there could be some flexibility
there as well. The problem with that is who's fixing
the roster. I mean, you know, you're going to leave

(56:58):
that in the hands with Jerry Jones to go fix
you know, make that, take those picks and turn them
into something really good. That's a problem.

Speaker 5 (57:04):
Hey, Pete, what's the difference between Jerry Jones and Woody Johnson?
Because it doesn't feel like there's there's much of a
difference these days.

Speaker 4 (57:13):
Well, Jerry has football decision making powers and wood he doesn't, exactly,
although he sticks his.

Speaker 5 (57:18):
Nose into it, you know, but maybe Jerry shouldn't at
this point, you know, maybe.

Speaker 4 (57:23):
But he's a GM. Did you watch the special on
that foot I mean, I mean, I mean Jerry, Jerry's
not going to step away from any of that. And
and so you know, wood he doesn't do it on
a day to day basic He's much more involved than
people think he is. Though I think that's always.

Speaker 2 (57:37):
A bad thing.

Speaker 4 (57:38):
By the way, when when owners get involved in football
making decisions, it's a terrible, terrible thing because they have
no earthly idea what the hell they're doing. Now, Jerry's
been around the game, played the game. He's you know,
he portrays himself as a general manager. It's a little different.
But when Woody Johnson starts sticking his nose in there
making football decisions. That's not a good thing or any owner.

Speaker 2 (57:59):
I don't think.

Speaker 4 (57:59):
I just think that they're capable of doing it, and
that's why you need football people in those decisions making positions.
And they could come to you and say, look, we're
going to make this blockbuster trade. We're going to go
what are you on board with that? Because you obviously
have to go to him, you have to pay the guy,
and you say, yeah, you go, okay, that's fine. Not
them making the decisions. They're telling you bench this guy

(58:20):
or play that guy. That's not what you should be doing.
As you worry about to ching ki ching kiching. You
just keep rolling up the cascer register, which is what
they all do.

Speaker 6 (58:28):
Hey, Pete, are you surprised there's no other teams though?
I mean, I'm seeing some articles now coming out where
Mike Vrabel was asked with the Patriot because they would
have made a lot of sense. They have cap space,
they have a need for it, but apparently they didn't
want to pursue. Micah Parsons, do you have any idea why?
I was just green Bay and this is the best
defensive player in the league and there's only one team
bidding for his services.

Speaker 4 (58:48):
Well, one of the things that you hear and talking
to people after the trade was made was that the
lack of teams were reluctant to bring him into the
building because you know, look, whether you liked it or not,
and I have a problem with it, be careful with podcast.
His podcast turned off some people. He wasn't you know
people some teams see him as a problem in the building,

(59:09):
and I, look, I hadn't seen that. So I'm just
telling you what I've heard. That what I'm just it's
out there, LeVar.

Speaker 2 (59:18):
I mean, yeah, there, I'm.

Speaker 4 (59:21):
Just telling you what teams say. So when teams say that,
that's why I don't think there was such a great
market for Look, when you have a twenty six year
old elite pass rusher in the prime of his career
come available and there isn't just a market fighting for
to get him, doesn't that Isn't that a little bit
of a red flag? LeVar?

Speaker 2 (59:40):
Just it depends on what the red flag is. It
is it the contract? I think, well, I think the
amount of money was the red flag. Honestly, here's the
other thing, here's the other thing.

Speaker 4 (59:50):
Do you are you now seeing him where the edge
rusher has become the quarterback, that the elite edge rusher
has become the quarterback in terms of the money, And
that's always making teams out there a little more reluctant
to go pay him, because let's go through the let's
go through the edge rushers who've been paid.

Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
Okay, we talked about this earlier, but go ahead.

Speaker 4 (01:00:11):
I think you got Yeah, Miles Garrett, they winning nah
uh dj Watt and they won. Nah, you know, going
and on.

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
They're competitive in Pittsburgh. Huh, they're competitive in Pittsburgh. I
thought you were about to throw out, like you know,
Brady threw out Khalil Mack earlier. Pete, what about Max Crosby?
What about him?

Speaker 4 (01:00:33):
There's another one. There's another one, the elite look and
then and then some guys they say that now that
you'd rather pay the elite interior guy because he can
really disrupt in the.

Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
Interior in Dallas and got to him. Dallas got to
Pete Prisco, Dallas got to you. They got to you, Pete,
they got to you.

Speaker 4 (01:00:54):
No, they don't.

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
Then they get an interior lambing and and in exchange
for Michael Parsons along and and.

Speaker 4 (01:00:59):
That's right, by the way, I don't agree with it,
so I'm just telling I don't agree. I'm just telling
you something. This stuff about that, I don't agree with
that Edge rushers, But would you rather ears one? Would
you rather have Aaron Donald in his prime.

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
Not for compared to Aaron Donald can play outside and
rush from the outside just as well as he can
rush from the inside.

Speaker 4 (01:01:20):
Would you rather have Jalen Carter and it now, who's
ready to go to the elite's status from that say
he's elite this year of that position, or would you
rather have the edge guy?

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
I mean again, if I can get a guy that
can do what they do on the inside and what
they do on the outside, but they have to be
able to do it at an elite level on the
outside too. It's like they're playing two positions. You can
play them in two separate positions and get the same
type of production that you would get, if not better
than the person that don't play.

Speaker 4 (01:01:50):
Edge, doesn't play edge, they can.

Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
Put They've put Jalen Carter on the edge at Tome.

Speaker 4 (01:01:55):
He's not gonna play edge.

Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
He's not going to play there all the time, but
you can use them there you want. You can use
him in a three linemen alignment six technique.

Speaker 3 (01:02:05):
Yeah, yeah, you can do that.

Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
But I'm just saying a guy that can play inside out,
outside in is always to me, they're way more valuable
than anybody else. But that's you're talking about like one
of one in each of those situations, like Aaron Donald.
Name another Aaron Donald. You know what I mean? Okay,
Chris Jones, because yes, because he can play on the

(01:02:30):
edge as well as on the inside.

Speaker 4 (01:02:31):
Yes, okay, okay. So so LeVar starting to agree with
the league guys WO said the interior guys are more value.

Speaker 2 (01:02:38):
I'm not saying they're more valuable if they're just an
interior guy. If they can play outside just as effectively
as they do inside, I think that they hold value.

Speaker 4 (01:02:47):
They don't play outside that much. They can do it,
but they don't.

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
But they can and they can do it effectively, which
is but it gives you, It gives your defensive coordinator
more latitude and the ability to be more creative and
the things that they're doing. If you have a guy
that you can move around like that, and it makes
it difficult to game play a guy that if you don't,
if you don't prepare well for him, you might be

(01:03:11):
seeing him on the edge for the bulk of the
plays and you weren't even anticipating seeing him out there,
and I could create a problem. I'm just saying, guys
that had that type of versatility don't come around very often.
It's it's not a usual deal.

Speaker 4 (01:03:26):
But here's the other part of that. Would you rather
have two twenty two million dollar edge players or five?

Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
And that's the conversation that was ensuing before. I just
think that again, game impact versus versus stats are two
different things. If I got a guy that can impact
the game like a franchise player impacts the game, I
want the franchise player impact player versus oh I was
able to replace the production of how many sacks he

(01:03:53):
got through three guys that got I mean, where did
those three sacks that they replaced, Where did they come
in in the game? How did it impact the game?

Speaker 4 (01:04:00):
I'm with you, by the way, Levarcus, I always I
always say, fourth quarter, game on the line, fack, fumble,
game over. I want that guy, And Michael Parsons is
that guy?

Speaker 3 (01:04:10):
You want a closer that's the equivalent to a closer
in the NFL and football, right.

Speaker 4 (01:04:15):
Correct, correct, and you played. But the other thing about
him is you can move him up and down the
line too, and rush him from every different spot if
you want to. You've seen him do that in Dallas.
I think he can rush from a variety of positions
and this is what you can do with them.

Speaker 6 (01:04:27):
Yeah, we've all seen edge rushers who can move down
inside and rush, but he does.

Speaker 4 (01:04:31):
He does it and is very effective doing it. There's
guys that do it and then they you know, they're
nuts that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:36):
Good at it.

Speaker 3 (01:04:37):
Yeah, Pete, you're the best. Congrats to your sun devils too.
Want to know, baby, let's go.

Speaker 4 (01:04:42):
Yeah, that wasn't That wasn't very good from what I hear,
it was the speed was terrible on the estm. Plus
he couldn't see it. It was the black that I was terrible.
And then I heard they weren't very good. Tough game.
This is to be stated by the way Brady Austin
Simmons looked damn good the other night, looked really good
the other night.

Speaker 6 (01:05:00):
He did, as did a bunch of other guys like
Bryce Underwood, like Maleague Washington, who we've talked about, like CJ. Carr,
like I can keep going. Yeah, dude, there's a lot
of good quarterback play right now.

Speaker 4 (01:05:12):
Arch didn't look very good.

Speaker 2 (01:05:14):
A Pete Pete quickly, real quick answer. Arizona State Girls Volleyball.

Speaker 5 (01:05:20):
Your Super Bowl pick before the season starts Thursday's what.

Speaker 4 (01:05:24):
Ruffalo Green Bay with the Bills winning it?

Speaker 2 (01:05:26):
There you go, there you go. Screw you all right,
So get him on X at Prisco CBS. You hurt me, right, Yeah? Yeah,
y'all knocked off the number two Lady Lions and volleyball,
so as you did get a big win this past weekend,
so we got that going, got that going for you. Yeah,