Best of 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe

Monday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, the Ravens deliver a colossal gag-job vs the Bills on Sunday Night. Aaron Rodgers delivers bigtime for the Steelers and sticks it to the Jets. Mike McDaniel is unlikely to make it through the season with the Dolphins. And Senior NFL Columnist for CBSSports, Pete Prisco, gives his week 1 impressions.

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Is the best of two pros and a couple Joe
with Lamar airings and rating win and Jonas Knox on radio.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
How the hell are we feeling here on this Monday morning?

Speaker 3 (00:16):
Good man? Good what up?

Speaker 2 (00:18):
Sticks out?

Speaker 3 (00:21):
What?

Speaker 2 (00:26):
What a game last night?

Speaker 3 (00:29):
Oh? Yeah, that was a game. That was That was
a game.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
What a colossal gag job by the Baltimore Ravens.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
It was a little uh yeah, it was a little
gag job.

Speaker 4 (00:40):
That's just especially when it's a team that ended your
season a few months ago and you're like, you know,
we're going to make a statement. They were in total
control of that game, total control, and the fourth quarter
happened and next thing you know, it was just a
comedy of airs for the Baltimore Ravens, who ended up
coming up short again to the Buffalo Bills. But that

(01:02):
was a hell of a game and a hell of
a way to close up the first Sunday in the NFL.

Speaker 5 (01:07):
Yeah, you know, I thought it was a very very
exciting day outside of the obviously the obvious being the
first real week of NFL football. I just I felt
like coming away from some competitive games, some teams looking like.

Speaker 3 (01:31):
Some really good teams that it's still I hate.

Speaker 5 (01:35):
I hate to do this because if it was your
team that came out on top yesterday, I just feel
like this kind of takes away from it a little
bit from me, not from anyone else. You keep it
the way you want to keep it. But it's it's
Week one, and I almost feel as though because of

(01:55):
the way preseason is played and there's not a there's
not a.

Speaker 3 (02:03):
Level of.

Speaker 5 (02:06):
I would say game legs, there's not a true level
of game legs or preparation in terms of how you're
going to play that first team because you're really not
sure what these teams are going to come out and
do wrinkle wise and personality wise for the season plays,

(02:29):
you know, so to speak, what is the new trend
that that coaches are going to have within their playbooks.
I think it's a hard week to judge, I really do.
It would be premature and irresponsible for me to say

(02:49):
this is a good team or this isn't a good
team based upon yesterday's results. But at face value, I
thought it was. It was a good opening day for
the NFL for well.

Speaker 4 (03:02):
An example of that was last year Week one, the
Patriots beat the Bengals and New England was awful and
fired their coach and went through that whole circus they
went through and then ultimately hiring Mike Rabels. So you know,
like you just yeah to your point, you look back
at Week one results, you know, in retrospect, and you realize,

(03:25):
all right, what really were we discussing or breaking down
or what really what did that result actually mean?

Speaker 2 (03:33):
The one thing I know is that.

Speaker 4 (03:36):
Buffalo and Baltimore, those teams are good, and it feels like,
much like they met last year in the postseason, that
this may be an opportunity to see them play twice
again this year. Josh Allen, the winning side of things,
the quarterback for the Buffalo Bills, the reigning MVP, talked

(03:57):
about the performance afterwards.

Speaker 6 (04:00):
Everybody there, I'm just proud of our team for staying
in it. No one on the sideline blinked, I mean
down fifteen points whenever we were with five six minutes left,
staying with it, Fans leaving, you know, the stadium. You know,
you gotta play this game for sixty minutes. And that's
that's a really good outfit that we just played. And
you know, God willing we we take care of business.
How we're supposed to and how we think we will.

(04:21):
You know, it's probably a team we'll see again. So
you know, they're they're a great lea coach team. Hats
off to them for having a really good game plan.
But you know, gotta were stuck in there and I'm
just proud of our guys.

Speaker 4 (04:30):
Why are fans leaving the stadium? So it's the last
year for that stadium. You should enjoy every second you
possibly can. It's not like you're seeing bad football players
out there. There's Hall of famers riddled all over that field.
Why would you want to leave early?

Speaker 2 (04:43):
The hell? Else is going on in Buffalo?

Speaker 3 (04:44):
Some we it's this thing called work that people have
to go to getting that work.

Speaker 7 (04:52):
Yeah, get a like you know, get a get a
real job.

Speaker 5 (04:55):
Yep, that's exactly right, that's exactly where so that that happens.
You know that that's a part of things. So if
you could try to beat the traffic, the rush, the
wave out of a game, I get it. You know,
It's it's interesting, you know people, that's a part of

(05:16):
I feel like football culture. You have a you have
a certain demographic or a certain portion of fans, and
I'm not sure why they go to games because you
see them leaving at halftime. Yeah, like literally, like that's
their time to depart. Like we got the first half
in wonderful, we're out. It's weird. I don't know. And

(05:40):
I've seen that. I won't throw any throwing these sets
out there. I won't throw any names out there. But
I literally only go to one football game live, so
y'all can do the math on that. But it's weird
because when I'm going out to go to the suites.
When I'm going to the suites, it's, uh, it's it's

(06:00):
interesting how many people I see the partying the game
while I'm heading out and back in to.

Speaker 3 (06:06):
Go to the suites.

Speaker 5 (06:07):
But and I thought it was like maybe, like is
this a coincidence? And then now this is like, you know,
the next week, and it's like, no, it's still a
very very large Russia people who are leaving the stadium
at halftime. It's kind of or maybe they're leaving the
Goteil gate and they are they allow re entrance.

Speaker 4 (06:25):
No, I don't think And that's funny. Yeah, And so
I'm glad that any of those Bills fans that wanted
to walk away from game one with like I mentioned,
Hall of Famers everywhere, final year of that stadium, with
all the great players that have been through. I'm glad
they walked up back to the front gate and they
were like, you can take a walk back to where
you came from. You're not a real member of Bill's mafia.

(06:47):
You phony ass.

Speaker 3 (06:49):
I love it. I love it, Hi, good morning.

Speaker 8 (06:53):
What I'd say about that is this was probably those
might be the best game we see all season, at
least in the regular season. Yeah, it had literally everything
you're looking for.

Speaker 3 (07:03):
The star power.

Speaker 8 (07:04):
You know, you obviously have two guys who've been League
MVPs who were searching for Super Bowls. You had defenses
that at times stepped up. You had running games that
at times were dominant. I mean, I think most people
probably thought after the long Derek Henry run that thing
was over. But then you've got, you know the advantage
of just I would say luck, like like luck played

(07:26):
a factor too. I mean, you can't tell me it's
not luck. When you get a tipball like that that
goes to Keon Cole when he catches it to help
them get back into the game. Where Derrick Henry, who
has had you know, one of his best nights of
his career, and then fumbles you know, you know, in
their own territory with three minutes left. There's just there's
so many things that went into that, even the story

(07:46):
of the kicker who hits the kick. Matt Prater just
signed there this week, he just signed there. The whole
thing is like as good of a story as you
could write. And it's week one Sunday Night football. It
was phenomenal. I thought the day of games in general
were actually really really good, very competitive, very tight games.

(08:09):
You know, Washington, New York. The score looked more out
of hand than it actually was. I mean the Giants obviously,
you know, had an opportunity to make it a one
score the game they're late, had a couple of opportunities really,
But all in all, I mean, just an incredible day
of football in the NFL.

Speaker 7 (08:24):
And what what a night man that was.

Speaker 8 (08:26):
That was unbelievable, Like that was one of the craziest
endings and turnarounds. I do have a bone to pick though,
at some point about some decision making by Sean mcdert, though.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
Well, let's say, what's the what's the issue?

Speaker 8 (08:41):
So two times this happened in the game and it
made zero sense to me. I was talking to a
buddy when they did it the first time. But the
Bills went down fifteen, and this was in the third
quarter of the first time they went for two. And
there's probably some people out there who are gonna try
to make an analytical argument, but to me, at that
point the third quarter, you could probably say, you can

(09:02):
go for two, you can kick pat. It doesn't matter
quite as much because what they did in that in
that instance was they went for two.

Speaker 3 (09:09):
They didn't get it.

Speaker 8 (09:10):
Now that puts you down nine, it's two possessions. Later,
after that long Derek Henry run, they' down forty to
twenty five. The next touchdown they get kick the pat.
Why because you don't want to be down two possessions.
You don't know if you're gonna get the ball back,
how many possessions you have left. I would have applied
the same logic in the third quarter that I did

(09:33):
in the fourth quarter if I'm Sean McDermott, because of
how that game's going like that.

Speaker 3 (09:38):
That was a game where.

Speaker 8 (09:40):
If I'm especially a defensive minded head coach, I don't
know how many more times I'm gonna get the ball back,
and how many more times all get the ball back
without them throwing out another score. I mean, at that
moment in the third quarter, it felt like it was
kind of a shootout and the Buffalo was really gonna
have to make some big time defensive changes. I do
have one more grape too way about this game, but

(10:03):
that for some reason it bothered me because well, no,
like you shouldn't change your decision making to extend it
to like a point where you have to have a
couple more possessions. You assume you're gonna get the ball
back a couple more times, but you can't make the
assumption that you know, uh, Baltimore is gonna only have
forty points, like they're not going to score in one

(10:24):
of those possessions. So I hated that decision making. The
last thing I'll just say is this and this LeVar
you can chime in on. When Derek Henry starts going off,
Chris Collins Hath said something that I'm sit there thinking, like.

Speaker 3 (10:37):
Chris, you know this isn't true, Like why are you
saying this?

Speaker 8 (10:41):
He's like, well, you know, Buffalo's trying to adjust to
a too high safety look just to get two guys
taking angles that Derek Henry to stop him.

Speaker 3 (10:49):
You know, he's being so dominant. I saw I heard that.

Speaker 8 (10:52):
I was like, Bro, you know that's not why a
team would like in no way shape or would a
team ever play. You could say, oh, they're playing cover four,
so the safety is a part of the you know,
getting an attack of the run.

Speaker 3 (11:06):
Dude, they're playing nickel.

Speaker 8 (11:08):
They had nickel, they had Dine package out there, like
they needed to play more base personnel, which they did
in the second half because you bring an additional linebacker. Like,
if there's any adjustment that the Bills needed to make
or should have made earlier, was hey, man, we've got
you know, we've got some guys that we feel like
can maybe match up when Baltimore goes to their sub
personnel three wide receiver sets, We're just gonna have to

(11:31):
play base personnel and use three linebackers versus their three
wide receiver sets and make Lamar say, all right, you've
got a match up the pass game.

Speaker 3 (11:40):
Take that instead of just.

Speaker 8 (11:41):
Handing it off to Derrick Henry letting him run all
over us. But in no way shape or for me,
you sitting there saying we're gonna pay a too high
shell to stop Derrick Henry running the football. Like, if anything,
you put an extra body down the line on the
line of scrimmage and it's post high, or you're playing
zero coverage where there's no safety help and you're trying
to get everyone you can up around the line of
scrimmage to stop Derrick Henry before he gets started.

Speaker 3 (12:04):
It was one of the most.

Speaker 8 (12:04):
Insane comments that I've ever heard made by a guy
who I respect, I love listening to. He's done a
phenomenal job throughout his career, but it was it was
some of the worst commentating I've heard regards to you know,
what the Bills are.

Speaker 3 (12:21):
Trying to do to stop Derrick Henry. I mean it's.

Speaker 5 (12:26):
You're not husing a too high for stopping the run.
I mean you when you have, in fact, again the
way the way they were getting through the first and
second wave of of tacklers, I mean, too high doesn't
even really matter. I mean, you got first, first wave,
second wave of defenders, you got the D line, you

(12:48):
got the linebackers, you got the secondary guys. I mean,
by the time a second secondary guy is going to
get to Derrick Henry, that's already you know, eight to
nine yards. You know, he's already past the second second
level of the defense. So yeah, I don't I don't think.
I don't see that per se. And generally speaking, when

(13:08):
you have some safety, did you hear this? I did
hear it. I did hear I didn't give it too much.
I just was like, you know, I did kind of
go like what, But I didn't give it any more
thought than like, like what.

Speaker 3 (13:22):
You know?

Speaker 4 (13:22):
But Sean McDermot, Chris collins Worth, it's week one for everybody.
You know, maybe they'll work through this stuff as the
season goes on.

Speaker 3 (13:30):
I just listen.

Speaker 5 (13:32):
When you have that second safety, generally, the front side
safety is.

Speaker 3 (13:36):
Alway, he's back anyway.

Speaker 5 (13:38):
It's the backside safety that is going to be the
backside plug field gap player. So whether you have a
single high or not, generally speaking, if it's a single high,
you you probably you do have another guy that's out
and coverage, versus having another guy that might be inside
the run length like what is considered to be the

(14:01):
I guess the box, but they're off the ball unless
you've shifted and brought that safety down, which would possibly
give you an extra backer closer to the run if
in theory, you know, you looked at it that way,
but listen the way the way Derek was getting through
that first level and to the second level. Yeah, it's

(14:22):
not that that was not That was not the problem.
The problem was is that the Bills offensive line was
doing an amazing job of ceiling and opening up run
lanes Baltimore. Excuse me, Baltimore, Well, Bills were too, but
Baltimore's old line was doing both old lines were doing

(14:43):
a great job of getting to their spots and opening
up run lanes for for guys to be able to
get into them. And you know, when you have that,
that's going to be difficult. But to your point, why
you you know you were joking about it. It's being
week one. You know, that's probably something that once these
guys do get their real game legs under them, that

(15:04):
it most likely will be a little bit more difficult
to be able to create those type.

Speaker 3 (15:10):
Of run lanes.

Speaker 5 (15:11):
Possibly, possibly these old lines could just be really that
good and be able to hook and and turn guys
the way they want to turn them. But I found
out to be pretty interesting, Like, man, these offensive linemen
are literally on some of the plays, they were getting
a hold of these defensive linemen and they were turning
them back inside like they didn't even reach them. They

(15:35):
got a hold of them and made it into a
reach block. And I'm sitting there like, man, I ain't
never seen nothing like that, Like, I don't, I don't,
that's not that's not common to see that. But they
were manhandling one another out there. So made it a
pretty cool game to watch.

Speaker 3 (15:52):
Is it fair to say this is a preview of the
NFC Championships? A two? I I number one week indo
it home?

Speaker 2 (15:57):
So and you know they I thought about this too.

Speaker 4 (16:00):
How many times do we talk about, well, you know
the NBA or some of these other sports have a
seven games. Give me a seven game series between the
Bills and the Ravens. Please let me watch this over
and over again. I want to see it as many
times as possible. I'd rather watch that game than virtually
any other matchup in the NFL.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
Give me those reasons.

Speaker 8 (16:20):
You never get that same sort of intensity, that same
sort of environment that for every single game, because you
know it's a best a seven series Like that's what
makes football unique, That's what makes the sudden death playoffs
in the NFL unique, that's what makes it great. If
you're a Bills fan that left, like sorry about it,
than you miss you can't come back for game two,
Game three, and game four, like that's it. You get

(16:42):
one shot at it, that's got it. I couldn't disagree
more like, that's what I think I love about football
in comparison to the NBA, to a lot of the
leagues and great a different sports, but still that's what
makes it awesome in my.

Speaker 3 (16:53):
Mind is you get one shot at this, that's it.

Speaker 4 (16:55):
The Ravens have got to be kicking themselves just thinking
that team ended our season last year in a really
close game and a Mark Andrews drop on a two
point conversion, and then we have this opportunity.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
We've got a.

Speaker 4 (17:08):
Two score lead, everything's going our way, and it was,
like we said earlier, a comedy of airs that led
to them losing.

Speaker 5 (17:15):
The Lamar put his hands on one of the fans.
I mean, you know, he was letting y'all know this
was real. You know this ain't for fake.

Speaker 3 (17:22):
This for real out here. You know when slam Tess
out here, you know, I did find it interesting.

Speaker 8 (17:28):
Collinsworth had to bring up the Mark Andrews drop and
he's going, you know, you know what, He'll forget about that.

Speaker 3 (17:34):
Never, It'll be with them forever. He's just gonna play
with it. I was like, damn, I don't know about that.

Speaker 8 (17:41):
It's like, I mean, he might think if they never
win a Super Bowl, he might think about that, Yeah,
I might stick with them, But under the way he
put it, it's like, stick with them forever, We'll never
forget about that.

Speaker 3 (17:56):
It's rough. I will say this too quickly.

Speaker 8 (18:00):
I feel like maybe they got away a little bit
from you know, involving Lamar Jackson in the run game
the way they could have and kind of dictated that.
I just it's so hard, like going back to the
Derek Henry success, which it's unfortunate he fumbles, you know
in that moment, which ultimately kind of led to the
comeback because he had such a great game.

Speaker 7 (18:21):
But it's a numbers count. So the two h shell thing.

Speaker 8 (18:26):
The reality is you don't have enough bodies down around
the line of scrimmage to stop Derick Henry before he
gets started. And that's the reality of any big back
like him. If you think a safety ten yards away
is gonna be able to stop Derrick Henry, You're out
of your damn mind.

Speaker 3 (18:42):
I mean, you want.

Speaker 8 (18:43):
To get to him in the backfield or around line
of scrimmage, or one or two yards deep before he
starts hitting that nineteen miles per hour he was clocked
at going last night like that dude running twenty miles
an hour almost, You're not stopping him.

Speaker 7 (18:57):
You had no shot, so you kind of have to.

Speaker 8 (19:00):
And the problem is is if you combine Lamar Jackson
and Derek Henry's ability both run the football, in order
to properly account for every run gap and properly account
for both is you have to play zero coverage. There's
no other way defensively for you to be able to
stop that rushing attack, which leaves everyone vulnerable because now

(19:21):
it's man to man, there's no safety help. And Lamar
Jackson is a former MVP, was good enough to dice
you up from the pocket. So I know, Baltimore lost.
I'd say you're Baltimore Ravens fan, You're fine. I mean
Zay Flowers, the way he's stepped up the playmaking ability,
Hopkins arguably had made the greatest catch we'll see all year.
I mean, this team is loaded, and I think they're

(19:43):
gonna be able to be right back in the AFC
Championship Game. I just I sit there and like wonder,
like is watching both those teams, you felt like, Okay,
they looked maybe they're just further ahead of everyone else,
but they look better than Casey, they look better than Chargers,
they look better than the Bengals. I don't know who
who else you're throwing the AFC in that picture, but
they look like a level above everyone else in the AFC.

Speaker 5 (20:07):
Yeah, I'm not gonna get carried away. That's that's all
I'm gonna say. Week one. I just you could look
better than what you are, or you could not look
as good as you're gonna be.

Speaker 3 (20:17):
I just that's to me.

Speaker 5 (20:19):
That's the first thing that was my first conclusion is
coming away with I'm not going like, yes, they looked good,
and there were a couple of teams that actually looked good,
and I'm not willing to say they're good. I just
I'm not And I guess I just gotta wait and see.

(20:40):
It's wait and see for me.

Speaker 3 (20:42):
Super Bowl Ravens. I got the Ravens, winn't it.

Speaker 7 (20:47):
So you're not trying to sticks pick.

Speaker 8 (20:49):
Damn right, you're not trying to get too excited about,
you know, how good they looked with exception of they
look good.

Speaker 5 (20:54):
But you know, I assume they're going to look good.
I assume they're going to be good. I assume, but
Buffalo is going to look good. I assume Buffalo is
going to be good. I'm just not willing to confirm
or or just really really go all in, like, yep,
they look like that.

Speaker 3 (21:13):
They are the teams.

Speaker 5 (21:14):
I think they're good because personnel wise, they're a really
good team. But I don't know, like Pittsburgh. No, No,
something got caught my throat a little.

Speaker 8 (21:23):
Bit said, sounds like something hiccups or maybe yeah, something
a little like like I don't like maybe like that morning,
you know that morning, like.

Speaker 3 (21:33):
You could least that. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (21:36):
But anyway, I know the air is different here in
Pennsylvania this time of the year, you differently, right. Yeah,
I'm there, yeah, because I go to all the games
and so instead of just flying right out and then
flying right back, I got some things I have to do.

Speaker 3 (21:52):
And hey, I'll to tay you this much. A little disappointed.

Speaker 8 (21:55):
I know they pitched to shut out you know, scored
three some points, but they didn't cover all right.

Speaker 5 (22:00):
Yeah, I was always us It's almost like, in my
mind looking at it, not not to just really pivot
so quickly. It was like they didn't want to show
anything and they were so vanilla so early that it
was like, are you like, are we doing ball control here?

Speaker 3 (22:19):
You know, like let's give them some let's give the
fans some.

Speaker 5 (22:22):
Excitement, like like let's go ahead and like let's do it.
Let's let's get up and then be a little bit
more conservative. But I don't know, I you know, I
reserved my judgments on that. They did end up pulling away,
but it was a very very slow start.

Speaker 8 (22:43):
Super you think they're saving it because they've got I mean,
they're not going to show anything versus Villanova next week,
but then they've got a buy in a couple of weeks.

Speaker 3 (22:51):
Then they got in that white out. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (22:53):
I mean, that's like I said, coming into week one,
and I don't know if you were on to hear this,
but coming into week one, I think that's what a
lot out of NFL teams had to deal with with
one another. We don't really know from the preseason what
you're going to get, you know, You get to know
the personnel, but you don't really get to know what
the plays, what, what the trends, what, what the new formations,

(23:14):
what the new wrinkles, what what those are going to be.
Everybody has to start getting that on film and then
you're going to start to see who's who and what's what.

Speaker 7 (23:26):
Baltimore, Yeah, one one to bet they're pretty damn good.

Speaker 5 (23:29):
I mean, I don't disagree. I don't disagree, but it'll
be better games, I would assume, or at least you're
going to. I'm not going to say better games because
they were. There were some really good games yesterday. Just
I think there's going to be a different there's going
to be different outcomes for different teams moving forward.

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Speaker 4 (24:40):
We had a little bit of revenge in the NFL yesterday. Yeah,
we did just a tame bit, uh, a little statement
being a.

Speaker 3 (24:46):
Little sweet little sweet three.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
All right, what a game? Aaron Rodgers is back.

Speaker 4 (24:56):
Rolls back into MetLife Stadium and forget about the after
four or plays injury? How about four touchdowns? Rogers gets
it done. The Steelers go in pick up a big win,
and here he was afterwards talking about what the win
meant for him in his career.

Speaker 9 (25:16):
He spoke about the meeting with Alan Glenn McAfee a
few months ago. Beating him is the significance in that sense,
he basically told you to your face that he.

Speaker 4 (25:26):
Didn't think you were right for that team.

Speaker 9 (25:29):
Yes, that's what he did, so there are significance in
beating him. For you, I was happy to beat everybody
associated with the Jets. It was nice to win, especially,
you know, hearing some of the cat calls out there
and the Bluebirds. You know, I don't I'm not sensitive
about that. I expected that, you know, I kind of

(25:49):
like that. But there were probably people in the organization
I didn't think I could play anymore. So it was
nice to remind those people that I still can.

Speaker 5 (25:59):
Come on, are come on, I mean, it's the Steelers.
So I'm happy. I'm happy it worked out. Happy it
worked out in the first first week of the season.
I'm just not convinced.

Speaker 3 (26:12):
I'm not. There was very little defense that was played
in that game.

Speaker 5 (26:17):
If I'm either one of those teams, more so the Steelers,
because I mean, i'd say the Jets, they look like
a different team. They look like a pretty good team,
different than what they have been.

Speaker 3 (26:32):
But I just don't. I'm not convinced.

Speaker 5 (26:35):
If I'm the Steelers, I'm concerned about what that defense
looks like. And for some strange reason, the New York Jets,
with all that talent that they have, they just don't
really play up to the level or the potential of
the type of talent that they have.

Speaker 3 (26:50):
So to me, listen, don't. I don't want to.

Speaker 5 (26:53):
Come off as someone who is down on them. I'm
just not a believer in it yet. And I said,
I was just in Pittsburgh. I spent a little time
in Pittsburgh. People seem to be very high on the team.
The reports, the reports from Mike Tomlin, the reports from

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the local beat reporters, some people I know that are
in the media that are local, they are they.

Speaker 3 (27:22):
They're calling this all in year. I just didn't.

Speaker 5 (27:27):
I didn't see it that way the way the offseason
played out. But again, it's Week one. They put up
a lot. Rather them had the performance they did versus
it being different, I'd rather them have had an offensive
explosion and need to work on the defense. I feel
more confident in them shoring up what they have to

(27:48):
do and what's going on with their defense versus their offense.
So to see him ball out there, to see him
go out there and deal and put four touchdowns up
there and fight through to get them to VIC, I
mean good. I'm a Steelers than so I'm gonna be
a hater because that's what we do with Steelers fans.
But ultimately, I mean, they got to win, and they

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got it in a hostile environment, and they got it
in Week one and it's an AFC opponent, so it's good.
It's a good, good victory for him. I thought he
looked great, you know.

Speaker 8 (28:19):
I thought this was like kind of a you know,
he downplayed it a bit. You know, I'm sure there's
so many things in his mind that are going on
where he wanted this one bad. And so I'm always
rooting for players when that's the case. You know, if
you feel like you've been wrong by organization, you have
the opportunity to go back and stick it right in
their face, you know, for the Jets fans and those

(28:39):
that are booing and all that stuff.

Speaker 3 (28:41):
It's like.

Speaker 8 (28:44):
He didn't choose to leave, Like do we all forget
that he gets hurt after four plays his first year there.
He chose to come to you guys, and then the
second year, your ownership decides to fire the coach pretty
much surely, and it's using Madden ratings to help build
a roster.

Speaker 7 (29:05):
Like you want to boo him.

Speaker 3 (29:08):
He came to your new.

Speaker 8 (29:09):
Head coach, Aaron Glenn, and your new head coach told
him they didn't want him, and you're booing him. How
does that make any sense? I mean, I get it.
He's on the other team. Now, there wasn't a choice.
He wanted to come back. He flew across the country
on his own dime to meet with Aaron Glenn for
what five minutes. So if you want to boo him, fine,

(29:33):
but you gotta lay in this bed that you've made
for yourself being a Jets fan, so you can try
to look at some of the takeaways and sit there
and say, well, you know, the offense looked okay, we
got some talent this team, Yeah you do, but it's
gonna fall apart at some point, Oh damn, because this
is this is a bad organization. And what I chocked
that performance up to and give credit to Justin Fields

(29:54):
and all that, but there's a lot of firsts with
this Jets team, new quarterback in that spot, with that,
we didn't know what was gonna look like. If you're Pittsburgh,
you know, different play caller too, trying to get understanding
what they're trying to do. So all those things I
think to me amounted up to why Pittsburgh. I think
struggled a little bit defensively, but I'm not concerned about
them defensively moving forward. They're still one of the better

(30:14):
defensive teams. They'll get this corrected, They'll get this turned
right back around. I think, if anything, for Steelers fans,
you should be excited. You've got a passing game where
you have I don't know when the last time was
you saw a game like that where your quarterback threw
for four touchdown passes, had complete command of the offense,
and it just looked how it's supposed to look. I mean,

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you probably have to go back to Ben Roethlisberger and
maybe a few years back in his time there's a
Steelers quarterback where you felt this confident about the offense.
So I'm excited for Aaron Rodgers. I'm excited for the Steelers,
even though I grew up not liking the Steelers, but
I am a Rogers fan, so I'm excited for him.

Speaker 3 (30:53):
And that was a big moment.

Speaker 8 (30:55):
I don't think his emotions, you know, really told the
true story his words to some degree, but not how
much that meant to him.

Speaker 4 (31:02):
I mean, that guy across the field told him, no,
we're good here, see you, Yeah, we're all good here,
we're gonna go in another direction. He gets his opportunity
and he goes out there and does.

Speaker 3 (31:12):
What he bowling up early too, wasn't they.

Speaker 4 (31:15):
And then and then you know, to see the way
the game was iced with Jalen Ramsey making that hit
and knocking the ball out Boswell, you know, hitting that
sixty yarder, which and look justin Fields did look good.
But the story of that game was Rogers going back
to MetLife and playing the way he did. And he
was fantastic.

Speaker 3 (31:33):
Man.

Speaker 5 (31:34):
I think that's the story for you and maybe a
story for Q. I still think to the rest of
the fielders, well, he played well. I think that it
was New York versus it was New York versus Pittsburgh,
Pittsburgh versus New York.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
He's an America's quarterback.

Speaker 3 (31:50):
I don't think that it was a one sided deal.

Speaker 5 (31:53):
I think that the idea that they swapped out quarterbacks
was was the storyline. I think that was a story
and it lived up to what it was. Justin Fields
lived up to what the game presented as well.

Speaker 3 (32:06):
He could have.

Speaker 5 (32:07):
He could have easily came out there and not played well,
but he did. He did I mean, he didn't throw
for as many touchdowns, but they were in that game.
And keep in mind, if they don't go for two
points two times, that game is tied. So it's not
like it was like this big discrepancy and that they
came in and they dominated the New York Jets game

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one or not.

Speaker 3 (32:29):
Again, I think week one is week one the same.

Speaker 5 (32:33):
The same things we could say about what what can
be done and what can be determined and figured out
for one could be the same that you could say
for the other. Now where I will say where I
will agree is again, this is the Jets, and I
don't know if if yet I'm going to give it
a fair goal because I'm looking at my my my alumni,
my alma mater team, and they seem to have have

(32:56):
changed the culture.

Speaker 3 (32:58):
There seems to have been a culture.

Speaker 5 (33:00):
If this seems to be a team that really has
the opportunity to be a good team, I would have
said that that's impossible because talent will never outplay dysfunction. Now,
if Woody is honoring the fact that Aaron Glenn, which
it did appear that this is a different type of

(33:21):
a feel in terms of the personality of that team.
They came out there and they looked like a Detroit team.
They did they pounded the ball. You know, Justin Field's
had a good feel for when to hand the ball
off and when to run the ball. He made some
good plays, made some good throws. I did not come

(33:42):
away from the game thinking that the New York Jets
are a team that's going to like go downhill from here.

Speaker 3 (33:48):
It looked as though they have a chance to be
a pretty decent team.

Speaker 8 (33:52):
One concern I think you have to have if you
are a Jets fan and you're optimistic, is the amount
of carriers that Field is going to get throughout the year.

Speaker 3 (34:00):
You know, rushing the.

Speaker 8 (34:02):
Ball twelve times per game, it's at that's hard. That's
a lot of wear and tear on your quarterback. And
if that's what you feel like you need to do
for him to be effective, so be it. You know,
Justin Field's a big, you know, strong athletic kids so
or young man, so you know he's going to have
every opportunity to be able to do that. But you
know eventually that injury but comes. I don't want to
go back to something in regards to the debut, because

(34:24):
it is someone historic. I don't believe we've ever seen
another quarterback in his first game with that team to
open a season do what Rogers did throw for two
hundred and forty yards four touchdowns with zero interceptions. I
believe that kind of stands alone. Now, we can try
to check this somewhere, but I don't think we've ever had.

Speaker 3 (34:40):
A if you're saying it so.

Speaker 8 (34:43):
Well, I've checked some sources, but you know you got
to You got to double double check and triple check.

Speaker 5 (34:49):
It's good to set yourself down. That always so somebody.
It always helps. Well, that's what you're you're a professional,
that's what you do. But it helps to have a
lead to lap. Really, what I'm trying to get to
is a hell sta lead alat who can double check
this and then make it, make sure it has these
stamp of approval.

Speaker 4 (35:06):
He can, let me tell you, he can discount double
chick it, Brady, that's what he came.

Speaker 3 (35:11):
Up with, what you came up with. I do not
believe Lee is going to.

Speaker 5 (35:16):
If you're placing your hat on that that you're going
to be good if he double checks it. Good luck
with that, you know, I standard for our show.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
That is very true.

Speaker 2 (35:26):
You know, I do.

Speaker 4 (35:27):
Have you mentioned a little bit of history when it
comes to the Steelers and we're talking about you know,
Steeler quarterback play and we're talking about you know, Aaron
Rodgers coming out there and throwing four touchdowns. Yeah, you
mentioned it. Seems like it's been a while since we've
seen something like that. I'm a Steelers quarterback. You've got
to go all the way back the year Stillers twenty twenty.

(35:55):
Come on, when people are driving around with n ninety
fives on not six feet of social distancing one play
toilet paper and only one role at a time, and
having to wipe down their groceries when they brought them
into the house, you gotta go all the way back. Then.

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For the last time a Steelers quarterback threw four touchdowns
in a game, and that was the aforementioned Ben Roethlisberger.
So first time in five years we've seen this.

Speaker 5 (36:28):
Come on, boss, say this is the same song for
ground Holiday.

Speaker 7 (36:32):
Yeah, it makes it makes sense.

Speaker 5 (36:35):
Pucks Tony Phil Right, Yeah, but that's not Western Pennsylvania.

Speaker 3 (36:40):
It's Pennsylvania, dude, it's Ohio. We couldn't find anything else.

Speaker 7 (36:51):
Okay, we tried the stealing you gotta pay.

Speaker 5 (36:54):
You gotta play the the other Pittsburgh Steelers song, No
not the from similar Yeah, you gotta play uh here
we Go Taylor, you gotta play to Here.

Speaker 3 (37:07):
We Go song?

Speaker 4 (37:09):
Hey, Lee, you got an update on this uh factoid
that I found?

Speaker 2 (37:13):
Yeah, and Brady is.

Speaker 10 (37:14):
Correct that there hasn't been really an NFL quarterback debuting
with a new team that has thrown for four touchdowns
or has a similar out look. The best I can
find was Will Levis's debut in the NFL, where he
threw four touchdowns as a Titan, and uh, Fernando Mendoza,
an Indiana quarterback, through for four touchdowns against he was
my West saw State and his debut for the Hoosiers
back in twenty Uh, well this this year.

Speaker 8 (37:38):
Well that wasn't his debut though he played Old Dominu
last weekly. This is why you have to fact check
those fact checks.

Speaker 3 (37:43):
And that's why you don't have Lee come on and
do it. This is this is another thing.

Speaker 8 (37:47):
Is like that's why you can't That's why you can't
trust Ai because Lee probably went to Grock and like
it's just it's not there yet, Like like I don't
even need to look at anything I can definitively tell you.
Fernando Man was who they got off to a slow
star first old dominion in that game came out the
rough start, did not have that great of it. He
actually didn't even have a touchdown pass in his debut.

(38:09):
He had a rushing touchdown.

Speaker 3 (38:11):
That's it?

Speaker 2 (38:13):
How about that?

Speaker 3 (38:13):
And also Will Levis how many yards on that game?

Speaker 2 (38:18):
I don't have that right now?

Speaker 8 (38:24):
Like where here's I want to know? Least where'd that
stat go? You looked it up in this shut the
page down?

Speaker 10 (38:32):
Croc didn't have that information, Brady. That's why I got you, buddy.

Speaker 5 (38:36):
Oh see, he's firing back today.

Speaker 3 (38:39):
He's firing back because it could be this good, it's sober.

Speaker 5 (38:43):
This could be indicator of how we were getting lead
from heroing out. Just no, I won't be out of
town forever lead, I just know that. So all that
fire out.

Speaker 10 (38:54):
He was nineteen thirty eight yards, four touchdowns, one hundred
and thirty point five passer rating against the Felts.

Speaker 8 (39:01):
So not not quite as many yards as Rogers, but
pretty damn close.

Speaker 4 (39:06):
So I just want to know what's it gonna take
to get LeVar back in on the Steelers train.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
Like, what's it gonna take?

Speaker 3 (39:11):
And that was what we ate.

Speaker 5 (39:12):
It's gonna take a little time. Man, it's gonna take
a little time. I just, you know, cautious optimism. Like
I was very very optimistic about the way the offense played.
DK showed some some real like he he showed why
they brought him there. Like he made some good plays.
I like to play calling, you know, some creative deals.

(39:34):
Who would ever thought? Who was the first guy that
scored the touchdown? Was number seventeen or number fifteen whatever?
I forget his name. I don't know his name, but
the koan was that what I felt like it was
a different name than that.

Speaker 2 (39:49):
Was that his name Ben Scarannick maybe Skarnic Camroonic I comrade.

Speaker 7 (39:56):
Well he went to Notre Dame for a year, so okay.

Speaker 3 (39:58):
Well, yes it that sounded more more like his name.

Speaker 5 (40:02):
Anyway, Listen, there were a lot of There was a
lot of positives to take away from what that offense did.
There just wasn't very many positives to take away from
the defense. I mean, Jalen made the big play at
the end of the game. Big play. That was a big,
big play.

Speaker 3 (40:18):
Huge.

Speaker 5 (40:21):
It's interesting because during that same drive logist the one
call before before he got sacked, Before Fields got sacked,
he could have ran for at least fifteen to twenty
yards on that play, and he didn't see he I
think he saw it late, and then I think he
predetermined that he was going to want to try to

(40:43):
slip through that same opening and try to run it again,
and it led to him he was caught in his
though got sacked.

Speaker 3 (40:50):
I just feel like.

Speaker 5 (40:52):
I need more time. I need more time because I
don't want to trust them and get hurt.

Speaker 3 (40:57):
I don't want to get hurt by dolt here. I
don't want to get hurt. I don't. I don't.

Speaker 5 (41:02):
I don't want to feel false, false enthusiasm and false
hope for what the future could hold for my Pittsburgh.

Speaker 8 (41:11):
Yeah, yeah, LeVar, I do think you're missing the main
point of all this is outside of the Bills, everyone
in the a f C East lost, and I think
if you're if you're, I mean, we're not playing horseshoes
and grenades. If we were, I would say the Jets
looked like the second best team. If we were the

(41:32):
second best team in the FC East, the Dolphins look
the worst Dolphins.

Speaker 3 (41:36):
Dolphins look like, and then the Patriots.

Speaker 8 (41:39):
The Patriots looked kind of bad too, like, not very
much better than the Dolphins. So if you if you're
if you're worried about your bet in regards to where
the Patriots finished, Now, I know it ultimately doesn't matter.

Speaker 3 (41:53):
They all are finish, but you've got them finishing last.
They probably have Dolphins boned bone. Yeah.

Speaker 8 (42:00):
Well, but the Jets are helping you out, so you
might win that bet because the Patriots look pretty duchy.

Speaker 5 (42:07):
Yeah that bad, real rebel cheeks, you know, bad.

Speaker 3 (42:12):
Yeah, like take a shower after it.

Speaker 4 (42:14):
Well, they should focus on their football team stuff, trying
to recruit North Carolina players, you know, tang Yeah, get
your ex on.

Speaker 7 (42:22):
The other all right, if we're going to venture there,
do we want to talk about this?

Speaker 5 (42:25):
Well?

Speaker 2 (42:25):
Lee has an update, by the way, he Alway does.
Oh yeah, yes what so?

Speaker 10 (42:30):
Yeah, even a better stat here if we're actually talking
about debuts with a new team. Fran Tarkenton in sixty
one threw for four touchdowns and ran for one September seventeenth,
nineteen sixty one, and Marcus Mariota threw for four touchdowns
in his NFL debut as well.

Speaker 7 (42:43):
Hello, Okay, but we're not.

Speaker 3 (42:45):
But that's not what a new team. Yeah, we're with
the new team.

Speaker 5 (42:48):
I know.

Speaker 10 (42:49):
I'm just saying you were right that it was You
were right, Brady, you were right. But I did find
the closest thing that was where the Yeah.

Speaker 8 (42:56):
Well you already have listened Will Levis, But that was
a week eight of that series that was we get correct.

Speaker 7 (43:00):
So you're saying Marcus Murray in his first game for
that team?

Speaker 11 (43:02):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (43:03):
Or is that what week was that ninth?

Speaker 10 (43:06):
It was September thirteenth, Week one versus Tampa Bay and
fran Tarkenton came off the bench in September seventeenth, so
that might have been week.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
Two, or it could have been week one one, And yeah,
through for four ran for one and man the Dolphins.

Speaker 3 (43:23):
Rough.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
Oh boy, Tyreek Hill.

Speaker 3 (43:26):
Looks already frustrated.

Speaker 5 (43:28):
Yeah, yeah, I mean how long does he last right
throughout that?

Speaker 3 (43:32):
And last? How long does he last?

Speaker 12 (43:35):
Mike McDaniel that, oh the Wills is off, said, you're
going to ride it to the Wills fall off.

Speaker 5 (43:45):
The Wills might be off in week one, Yeah, they
might be off.

Speaker 12 (43:52):
And week they were atrocious in that Again, you made
it and then you make a team like the Colts
look like they looked and the dude was doing the
celebration that the guy there's this this social media influencer
that that does these dances, and one of his dances
is he gets on his back and he starts like

(44:14):
doing this weird.

Speaker 5 (44:15):
Movement and he'll do it all the way into a
grocery store and then pop up and then go walk
like that never happened, right, And this dude did that
is his like his celebration when he got an interception
in the game. But I just, you know, I look
at this team and it's like, should we think that
the Colts, because the Colts have potentially been a team

(44:36):
that should be better than what they are.

Speaker 3 (44:38):
They should be good.

Speaker 5 (44:39):
Like last year, I thought they would be much better
than what they were, especially defensively speaking.

Speaker 3 (44:47):
But in my mind, when I saw.

Speaker 5 (44:49):
The way they played and looked at the way the
game went, and can you say that, Okay, maybe this
Coats team has a chance to be really good. And
that's why the quarterbacks situation is so, you know, it's
so critical to their season that they get the right
guy in there. And maybe that's why they didn't start

(45:10):
out with Anthony Richardson, because they felt like, look, we
got a defense that can carry us. We don't need
an offense that is going to hurt us. And if
you're going to be a player that could possibly potentially
hurt us, we don't need that right now. We need
somebody who's going to manage the game and do what
they need to do in a way where you know,

(45:30):
we have a chance to win the game at the
end of games. I felt like that was the you know,
that was the recipe in this game for the Colts.

Speaker 3 (45:39):
And I had to wonder to myself.

Speaker 5 (45:41):
Is this a good team or is this a good
Is this a team that beat up on a very
very bad team. Yeah, I didn't know which one to
really settle in on that one.

Speaker 4 (45:51):
That one you just said, like, Miami looks awful. They
made New Orleans look like a wild card team. They
think the worst team in the league yesterday, And I mean, look, that's.

Speaker 3 (46:07):
What that's what O gage is, Like you hit twenty one,
I'm over.

Speaker 4 (46:12):
I mean there's one of the yea like Mercy ruled,
Like there's one of those like that. Would you know
the stories in the off season, there were rumblings and oh,
you know, Mike McDaniel lost the locker room.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
The veterans were tired of it, you.

Speaker 4 (46:24):
Know, the Tua Tyreek Hill stuff. It just seems like
there's no real answers there. And I don't I don't know,
man like Daniel Jones, I think the stat was he
they scored on every drive. I think they're like seven
for seven on scoring drives. So it's not even just offensively,
they looked bad. Defensively, they got chewed up and spit.

Speaker 2 (46:46):
Out, and I it just feels like this one's going
to go sideways in a hurry and so.

Speaker 7 (46:54):
Well, and and that's the that's the hard part, I think.
And maybe tell me if I'm wrong.

Speaker 8 (46:58):
But when you're in a place like Miami, where there's
already a ton of distractions and other things to do,
I feel like it tends to be a little bit
more of a slippery slope once you start that slide.
Do you get know, in all seriousness, like, do you
guys agree with that? Because I just I do feel like,
you know, one of the players I don't know who

(47:18):
was talking postgame from Green Bay, Detroit, but they're imagining me.
They literally said, hey, man, there's nothing else to do
up here. We just lock in like we're ready to go.
And it's like, that's not the case of the dolphins.
There's a bunch of other things to do, and there's
other places like that as well. But I just I
look at it, and I say, like, I wonder how
much when things don't go right, how quickly guys look

(47:38):
to other avenues to get away from it, which is
much easier to do in Miami than somewhere else.

Speaker 5 (47:44):
Never seeing somebody climb back up a slippery slope once
slipping down it, never seen it.

Speaker 3 (47:51):
I don't know. Maybe Grock knows, but I've known.

Speaker 4 (47:55):
I mean, so basically guys are looking around, going all right,
I can go down to Ocean Ave or I can
stay back and you know, catch catch on the jugs
machine for a little bit.

Speaker 5 (48:07):
It ain't ocean in the tutsis and you know King
of Diamonds KOD stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
You know, the Ocean Ave KOD that's tourism.

Speaker 5 (48:20):
Yeah, l r P k O. D ain't there anymore.
I don't know whatever, Yeah, there's something there. I know,
Tootsies is there. I mean, I heard, I heard, I.

Speaker 2 (48:31):
Heard that the nfl p E does their meetings.

Speaker 3 (48:34):
Is that right? Yeah? That is.

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Speaker 2 (49:00):
Good morning, Happy Monday.

Speaker 13 (49:02):
What's up, guys.

Speaker 11 (49:03):
How are you hey, Pete?

Speaker 13 (49:06):
Good weekend, Good weekend of football.

Speaker 8 (49:08):
Yeah, I mean, Pete, we were actually waiting for you
to just segue into how great that game was last night.

Speaker 5 (49:13):
They all played, They all played, They all played, Pete.

Speaker 13 (49:18):
Was there anybody who didn't play yesterday? Anybody?

Speaker 8 (49:21):
They all There's some backups who didn't play, But yeah,
there I'm.

Speaker 13 (49:25):
Talking about anybody in a contract situation who didn't play
on opening anybody.

Speaker 8 (49:29):
Even Cam, even Cam Hayward got his his restructure contract
down before the start of it.

Speaker 13 (49:35):
They all play.

Speaker 11 (49:38):
Never forget it.

Speaker 3 (49:39):
And you were aide of that, bet, Pete. Yeah, what that?
What that?

Speaker 5 (49:43):
We're on the You were on the right side of
that prediction, bet Pete.

Speaker 13 (49:48):
And I liked my prediction for the Super Bowl too
after yesterday. What is Buffalo over Green Bay?

Speaker 3 (49:58):
Yeah, that's that's not bad. It's not bad choice.

Speaker 13 (50:01):
That is na fantastic last night it was. And how
do you look at it? You look at it as
a comeback or a choke?

Speaker 8 (50:08):
Well, the fumble hole the tip ball ends up being
a touchdown pass to Coleman. I mean, there are some
things that for sure went Buffalo's way. And let me
ask you this, Pete, because I brought this up earlier.
It bothered me when Buffalo did it at the time,
and then Sean McDermott kind of, you know, changed course.

Speaker 3 (50:25):
But also I think that was just due to to
where they were in the game.

Speaker 8 (50:28):
Down fifteen, you score a touchdown, are you going for
two or not?

Speaker 11 (50:35):
No?

Speaker 3 (50:37):
Okay, So why did you do it in the third quarter?

Speaker 2 (50:39):
Then?

Speaker 8 (50:39):
Because usually this is something that you you specifically used
to do with Belichick all the time.

Speaker 3 (50:44):
You know, you used to say.

Speaker 14 (50:45):
Everyone thinks that he's a GENI yes, and that he
makes these sorts of decisions and it's like it's stupid,
it doesn't make any sense. He's Bill the greatest coach ever,
Bill Belichick, and look what he does, So why not why.

Speaker 3 (50:55):
Don't do that? Why don't you do with Sean McDermott
right now?

Speaker 13 (50:58):
Well, I mean, I'm I thought, I thought the decision
to when you when you kick the extra point, and
then you went for two with stupid two, and so
you end up chasing it the whole time.

Speaker 8 (51:08):
I think, well, they they didn't do that in the
fourth quarter though they scored the touchdown, they kicked the
pat so they were only down one score. But I
guess the point is, like, if you don't get that
two point conversion, now it's a two score game or
two possession game, I should.

Speaker 11 (51:21):
Say which is right?

Speaker 13 (51:23):
And I don't understand that. And everybody always says, well,
the analytics say you should do this, this and this.
You ended up chasing yourself. You chase your tail and
just do it the right do it the right way.
And you know, the analytics supposedly say the Ravens should
have gone for it on fourth and three at the
end of the game. What seriously, I mean, you go,
you don't get this air and you kick a field

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goal the game's over. That would have been I mean,
they do play defense in this league. You know there
are or at least you think they can. They didn't
in the last quarter of that game. But I just
think sometimes we get too caught up. And here's the
other thing about the analytics. I say it all the time.
Every game is not the same, every play is not
the same, every team is not the same. So the analytics,

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you can't just throw a blanket blanket analytics out there
and say, oh, look this it's fourth and three, as
you go for it, what if your left tackle third.

Speaker 11 (52:14):
Right? Yeah, I go.

Speaker 13 (52:16):
But so I thought they ended up chasing it the
whole time and that they could have backfired on them.

Speaker 11 (52:20):
They got it.

Speaker 13 (52:21):
Look they got a miracle win because and it didn't
backfire on them, But it was the wrong I always
think it's the wrong decision.

Speaker 5 (52:28):
Let me ask you about the I mean, we saw
a lot of games that there were moments that shifted
the game. I mean the fumble on the kickoff and
the Jets Steelers game, you know, the catch by the
receiver the tight end, and the Niners game. We just

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talked about the situation and the Bills game. I mean
in week one. In Week one, how I mean, especially
with the way preseasons go. Now, Pete, how much do
you place in terms of if you think a team
is good or if a team isn't so good in
week one? I mean, can you definitively in your mind

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see a team during week one and say, yep, they're
the one. I mean you did just say, I said
Buffalo and Green Bay. So maybe you already answered the question.
But how possible is that or how how how how
plausible is it to say you can see how good
a team is in week one of the season.

Speaker 13 (53:30):
Well, you have an idea going in, but I think
you know, the first month of the season is for
feeling things out. I don't think you can really say
definitively that somebody is a really good team until you
get into mid October.

Speaker 11 (53:43):
That's me.

Speaker 13 (53:44):
That's always been my feeling on it. I mean, yeah,
you got some teams.

Speaker 7 (53:47):
That play with Baltimore and Buffalo are really good teams.

Speaker 11 (53:50):
They are okay, you know, no, but you saw.

Speaker 7 (53:55):
All easy LeVar question.

Speaker 5 (53:57):
Hey, but you is always instigating and protagon all right,
so you creating two minutes?

Speaker 3 (54:06):
Good?

Speaker 13 (54:07):
Oh he's instigating, of course he is. But but no,
you have an idea who's good but I'm saying, like, Okay,
say there's a team that looks good in the first
two weeks of the season, and you have in the
back of your head you go, I'm not so sure
they really are that good. We can't really decide if
they are until mid October.

Speaker 11 (54:23):
I will say this one thing.

Speaker 13 (54:24):
You notice, aside from Allen, I think Geno Smith, Herbert
and so we didn't There aren't a lot of big
passing games anymore early in the season. And I think
that's because you know how teams play that off coverage
all the time now and they may be patient, yeah, yeah,
they play they make you be patient, and a lot
of these quarterbacks don't like to be patient. And I

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think it's kind of changed the big numbers in the
passing game. And I don't you know, I don't know
if that's going to change going forward or if it
can change, but I think that's something to keep an
eye on, is is all the all the teams that
don't really you know, throw the football and we're getting
back to maybe teams running the ball. You saw Henry
Travis etn had a big day, you know, So I

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wonder if that's going to kind of ease back a
little bit as we get throughout the season. But early
in the season you didn't see a lot of passing numbers,
and Brady, I think in college football for your guys.

Speaker 11 (55:15):
Over there, they're not doing it either.

Speaker 13 (55:17):
They're not putting up big passing numbers either.

Speaker 7 (55:20):
Well, it depends on what you're talking about.

Speaker 8 (55:21):
I mean, I don't know that i'd use Iowa iways
stay where I was at this weekend as an indication
of that. But I do want to ask a more
general question, and not to skip over your Johns because
I think you were up, But which team did you
come away after Week one more optimistic about? And which
team did you come away after Week one a little
bit like, oh that could be a problem this year.

Speaker 13 (55:44):
Well, more optimistic about the Packers than I was, and
I thought they would be a super Bowl team.

Speaker 11 (55:49):
But I okay, well, here's why I.

Speaker 13 (55:54):
Thought they'd be a super Bowl team before they got Parsons,
but in large part because I thought a lot of
young players are to take their game up. I think
you saw Van Ness improve all summer, and he showed
it in the game. I think Edwin Cooper is going
to be a star, and we saw that in the game.
So a lot of those younger players on that team
before Parsons, I thought they were going to take the net.

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Wyatt played, made some big plays another guy, So you
saw young players taking steps forward, and that's usually a
sign of a team that's going to be better. So
they were better on defense even with Parsons, than I.

Speaker 11 (56:25):
Thought they were going to be. So that's a good side.

Speaker 13 (56:28):
And then a team that concerns me more so than
I thought that would be concerned about, probably the Texans,
in large part because of the offensive line. I don't
think they really solved it, and they've addressed it and
they've made it. And yes, they had to adjust a
little bit yesterday when the right guard who ed Ingram

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was supposed to start at right guard didn't play, so
they moved guys around. But it's not like ed Ingram is,
you know, Zach Martin in his prime either.

Speaker 11 (56:56):
He's not a very good player.

Speaker 13 (56:57):
So I think their offensive line is going to be
a problem for the Texans, and it's going to be
a problem for CJ. Strout all season long.

Speaker 4 (57:04):
All right, Pete Prisco, I got something for you, all right.
So the Denver Broncos are up twenty to twelve. Yeah,
it's a fourth and eight at the Titans thirty six
yard line with one oh four left, and Sean Payton
goes for it and bo Nicks throws deep.

Speaker 2 (57:24):
What the hell was that?

Speaker 13 (57:26):
I have no We were sitting there in the green
room watching that, and I'm like, what the hell is
he doing? I mean, it made no There's of all
the things you could possibly do in that scenario, that
one made no sense.

Speaker 11 (57:37):
Zero.

Speaker 2 (57:37):
I mean, try the field goal or punted down right
and pin them deep.

Speaker 13 (57:40):
If you try the field goal in altitude, that's like
ten yards less. I mean you got to kick the
field goal to go up eleven.

Speaker 11 (57:45):
In that situation. I'm with you.

Speaker 13 (57:47):
And if you miss the field goal, then okay, then
they're at the spot where you just try to hit
a shot down the field. It made no sense to me.
And by the way, I haven't watched the all twenty
two of that, but it looks like he picked the
wrong guy because the other guy across the field is
wide wide open. Yeah, so you know, and and you know,
if you said that to Sean Payton said, well, look,
this guy's wide open. He picked the wrong guy. Well,

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he's still got to hit the pack and pick the
right guy and the whole deal.

Speaker 11 (58:12):
I'm with you.

Speaker 13 (58:13):
That was a bad decision and you know it could
have backfired on him. It didn't. They got away with it,
but kicked the field goal there and go up eleven.

Speaker 11 (58:20):
It made no sense, Pete.

Speaker 5 (58:24):
Uh, did you see the block that the tight end
of the Jacksonville Jaguars made on on the run play
Like it was like kind of like a counter power
or something like that.

Speaker 11 (58:34):
Yeah, he blasted the guy.

Speaker 3 (58:36):
Did you like that? I mean that that was Penn Stater.

Speaker 5 (58:38):
I just figured bring it up and make that final
for you.

Speaker 13 (58:42):
Hey, let me tell you something, La, that Pencicator is
a damn football player.

Speaker 11 (58:46):
He's a really he's a really.

Speaker 13 (58:48):
Good football player because he's he's going to be a
pass catching guy. He had fifty I think he had
fifty something strange and he's one of the best.

Speaker 11 (59:00):
He's one of the best.

Speaker 3 (59:01):
If you shut up, yeah, it took your walk.

Speaker 11 (59:05):
Yeah, and he's going to be he's he's got one
of the best.

Speaker 3 (59:08):
Let the man answered the question to you, go ahead, Pete. Well,
he's kind of like on our party, Like why is
he interrupting us all the time? Man? Cam and you
have a conversation.

Speaker 13 (59:19):
Uh, yes, we can, LeVar, we can.

Speaker 3 (59:22):
Let's who is this guy? Man, let's go put him
in the corner.

Speaker 5 (59:25):
Man like, oh come on, yeah, okay, go ahead, go ahead, finished.

Speaker 13 (59:28):
Okay, But LaVar LeVar, Yes, he's a guy they're expecting
the expecting really big things from him in the passing game.
But more than that, he's one of the best blocking
tight ends in the league and he's been there for
for a couple of years. And that was one block.
But he also he also had the block on etn
seventy yard run where he kicked out the guy too.
So yeah, that's it. I'll tell you what he keep

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an eye on him. Is the guy that could be
in the mix for catching sixty passes and and maybe
having six six seven touchdowns. But more than that, he's
just a really bruising blocker of the run.

Speaker 3 (01:00:00):
I had one for.

Speaker 8 (01:00:00):
You, and then Jones Is got to clean it up.
And this is about another Penn Stater I want to
ask you about. I'm just kidding, I don't ask Let's
go to the Let's let's get to met life, Rogers,
the Jets fields. I know you're a big Rogers fan.
I want to say, you're a little pessimistic though about

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him joining the Steelers. He just had arguably the greatest
debut we've ever seen for a quarterback with a new
team starting the season. How do you feel about Rogers
in this one? But also how'd you feel about Justin Fields?

Speaker 13 (01:00:33):
Well? I wasn't pessimistic about Rogers. I was pessimistic more
so about the Mealers as a whole.

Speaker 11 (01:00:37):
No, I wasn't because I'm the one.

Speaker 7 (01:00:39):
You were on the wrong side of that one. Let's
just put it that way.

Speaker 3 (01:00:42):
Good.

Speaker 11 (01:00:43):
No, I wasn't.

Speaker 13 (01:00:43):
I was the one pre I preached all summer. I said,
he's the last eight games of the season, he played
like Aaron Rodgers last year, and he had more touchdown passes.
I've said this on the show than Herbert and Mahomes.
And he had the same number of touchdown passes as
Alan last year. So you're wrong, Brady.

Speaker 11 (01:00:59):
You're trying to why they him?

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
Then?

Speaker 7 (01:01:01):
Why they brought him when he comes back to met Life.

Speaker 13 (01:01:03):
Because they blew everybody in New York.

Speaker 11 (01:01:05):
They're nasty. Of course they're going to pool them.

Speaker 13 (01:01:08):
I mean, why not. They would boo me if they
had any chance. He probably throws stuff.

Speaker 15 (01:01:15):
At Yes, we got I and by the way, and
by the way, Rogers.

Speaker 13 (01:01:34):
Rogers comments after the game were just vintage, by the way,
a little needle at him and anything.

Speaker 11 (01:01:39):
I could play.

Speaker 13 (01:01:39):
And I came in and showed him I play.

Speaker 3 (01:01:40):
I love that.

Speaker 13 (01:01:41):
I love the fact that he did that.

Speaker 11 (01:01:43):
He was good.

Speaker 13 (01:01:43):
You know, Look, it wasn't great. He didn't There weren't
a lot of passes going.

Speaker 11 (01:01:46):
Down the field.

Speaker 13 (01:01:47):
But it was darn good for him in this first
game for the Steelers, and as far as on the
other side feels, it's a good thing he really did.
I didn't like the two point play decision. I mean,
sown in the triple coverage.

Speaker 11 (01:01:59):
That was thing.

Speaker 13 (01:02:01):
Get him on the perimeter, get him on the perimeter,
let him use his legs.

Speaker 11 (01:02:04):
A little bit.

Speaker 13 (01:02:04):
I didn't like that call at all. But all in all,
I thought Fields was okay, you know, better than okay,
and I thought Rogers was good. And then you know,
but as good as he was, it took the sixty
yard field goal to win the game. I mean, that's
not like he you know, went up and down the
field on him and let him out. But it was
good for Rogers and by the way Brady quit putting
word in my mouth. I never said that about Rogers.
I said the Steelers. The Steelers got to run the

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ball better than they have and they got to play
better teams.

Speaker 8 (01:02:30):
Yeah, very pessimistic about Rogers, the Steelers the whole.

Speaker 3 (01:02:34):
I trust me.

Speaker 8 (01:02:34):
I remember this because you were You and I were
both emphatic that things he was going to turn things
around New York.

Speaker 7 (01:02:39):
It didn't happen.

Speaker 8 (01:02:41):
And now you're kind of like, I mean, you guys
have to understand for people don't know. I worked with
Pete for a long time. Pete would gush about Aaron Rodgers.
He would pick Aaron Rodgers and the Green Bay Packers
win the Super Bowl, like for like five years straight
because he's being like, they got Rogers, they got Rogers,
they got Rogers. Like every year he'd say the same thing.

(01:03:01):
And this was the first time where I really didn't
hear you gushing about him joining the Steelers on what
their chances would be or how I would elevate their chances.

Speaker 13 (01:03:09):
Well, I thought he would play well. I just didn't
think the Steelers were good enough. How's that? And now
the way I watched them on the other day, they
still weren't great on defense and Steelers and they still
art consistently running the ball, So you know, there's still
even though they won that game, there's still questions about that.
But he played well, and I thought he would play
well because he's Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 2 (01:03:30):
Hey, Pete, what's the question?

Speaker 3 (01:03:32):
Pete?

Speaker 4 (01:03:32):
What's uh? What's the game you lost yesterday that you
were on the right side of? Still, even though you.

Speaker 13 (01:03:37):
Lost, well, anybody and I picked them. I picked the Bills,
So I think that's a gift. I'll take that gift, okay,
because I picked the Bills, it was and you had
no business yet if.

Speaker 7 (01:03:51):
You had answer answer the question, though, Pete, what I
talking about?

Speaker 3 (01:03:54):
When you got right?

Speaker 13 (01:03:57):
I'm trying to think which one did I come on?

Speaker 7 (01:04:00):
I beat you the past two years of DA so
it's gotta be.

Speaker 13 (01:04:02):
One the face, Okay.

Speaker 11 (01:04:04):
I had to say, you're.

Speaker 13 (01:04:07):
On the right side of the shots into the end
zone to go to overtime? Are you hit the shot?

Speaker 2 (01:04:14):
Had you bet the Saints?

Speaker 11 (01:04:17):
No?

Speaker 13 (01:04:17):
I had to say, I picked the Saints as one
of my picks.

Speaker 11 (01:04:22):
Why are you laughing at?

Speaker 13 (01:04:23):
Why are you laughing at?

Speaker 4 (01:04:24):
That?

Speaker 13 (01:04:24):
They had they were think I had the ball he
should have caught the.

Speaker 11 (01:04:27):
Ball in the end zone.

Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
What was the line six? Was it six in that game?

Speaker 5 (01:04:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 13 (01:04:31):
Six?

Speaker 2 (01:04:32):
And so you were on the right side of that.

Speaker 7 (01:04:34):
But they were lucky to be in that game.

Speaker 8 (01:04:36):
At the end of it, they're getting their asses kicked
for the in the first half, first three quarters.

Speaker 13 (01:04:39):
Brady, what was happening at the end of the game.
He had four shots into the end zone at the
end of the game. One of them was in the
guy's hands go to over.

Speaker 8 (01:04:46):
So you're so you're telling me you were You were
on the wrong side of that one.

Speaker 13 (01:04:51):
No, I was on the right side of that one,
the right side.

Speaker 7 (01:04:54):
Excuse me, I had But you're the best.

Speaker 3 (01:04:58):
You're the best.

Speaker 13 (01:04:59):
We used to do our picture, know you beat me
one year?

Speaker 7 (01:05:02):
I beat No, you never beat me. Pete, I beat
you every single year. And by the way, you and
Can just took els the entire last two years.

Speaker 13 (01:05:15):
I'm off to a great start. I think I went
eleven and eleven and four so far with my pick.

Speaker 3 (01:05:20):
Wow.

Speaker 13 (01:05:20):
How about that?

Speaker 3 (01:05:21):
Yeah, that's pretty good, Pete.

Speaker 11 (01:05:23):
And and and that was on the right side the same.

Speaker 2 (01:05:27):
To make that twelve wins?

Speaker 4 (01:05:29):
Uh, Pete always fun get him on X at Prisco, CBS,
Senior NFL columnist for CBS Sports, CBS Sports h Q
analyst here on F s R.

Speaker 5 (01:05:39):
Thanks Pete Brady, I beat you.

Speaker 7 (01:05:43):
You did not stop lying, man.

Speaker 2 (01:05:46):
We almost got him to drop an S bomb on
the air.

Speaker 3 (01:05:48):
It was close.

Speaker 2 (01:05:49):
Mondays with him are going to be wild by the
way we just tr