September 10, 2025 • 52 mins
Wednesday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, the discipline comes down on Jalen Carter for spitting on Dak Prescott. Ryan Day raises issue with the timing of a single transfer window, which is being overcomplicated by the NCAA. And The Old P, Petros Papadakis talks dirty play, head-size comparisons and much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It is the best of two pros and a couple
Joe with lamar Ares rating Winn and Jonas Knox on radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Good morning, boys, how are we feeling?
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Hello?
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Hey, I we're uh we were off and running here
on this Wednesday morning and.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Mistake last night?
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Did you Pittsburgh style?
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Pittsburgh style? Every time? A guy, every single time. It's
really good.
Speaker 4 (00:35):
You've been enjoying yourself out there, man, you really haven't.
Speaker 5 (00:38):
You know, I've been accused of that. I have been
accused of that.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
And you guilty has charged.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
I mean, I'll take it. I'll take it. I got.
Speaker 6 (00:54):
You.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Don't even need a jury or a judge. I take it.
What I love these State college boy?
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Uh w? Where do you have the steak at you
out for it?
Speaker 5 (01:09):
The American Alehouse. It's a really dope place. If you
when you.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Come back in town. Did you do the American Alehouse?
Ever when you come here, qu.
Speaker 5 (01:20):
I don't think we have you gotta do the American
Alehouse and Top Tree out Yeah yeah, man, yeah, yeah,
it's a great place. There was a whole entire there's
a bunch of lums from the Blue Band that are
part of this. Like I don't know what what to column,
(01:40):
but they play their their instruments and it's literally like
being in like a music hall at this place. And
it's small. It's a small, quaint place. It's very very nice.
But they was playing, they was playing them instruments. Well,
I just really enjoying myself.
Speaker 7 (01:59):
So yeah, rusty tromp bone and everything.
Speaker 5 (02:03):
Oh I mean rusty is their knee caps? Didn't them
knee joints? Yeah, you know, it is what it is. Yeah, yeah,
it was good though. It was good, bro, I mean listen,
but it was good.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
I mean, you know, I guess good news if you're
Jalen Carter of the Philadelphia Eagles. Uh, he's not going
to be suspended for this upcoming game with the Eagles
because the NFL said, you know what, he basically missed
the entire game last last week, so we're going to
go ahead and count that as suspension, but he is
(02:38):
going to get popped fifty seven thousand dollars. That'll be
the game check for a gave for week two, So
a little over fifty seven thousand dollars out of his pocket.
And then, you know, the NFL just kind of kind
of saying, well, we'll let this, you know, we'll let this,
you know, kind of pass, and you know he served
time served and all that to go along with it.
(03:00):
And I just wonder, you know, what is the what
is the cutoff point to where you can blow a
loogie on some guy and the NFL go, all right,
it's far enough into the game that this would deem
we suspend him for this game and next week? Like
are we talking first series? Second series? Like how far
(03:22):
into a game are you allowed to spit a lougi
before it doesn't impact your next week if you get
kicked out? That's my big question, great question.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
I mean, we have the way for Dean.
Speaker 5 (03:31):
I ton't you guys, but don't you guys think that
it would be based off of one the severity of
the infraction. So you gotta wait, way, what what the
lugi represented? That would probably be the first biggest question
is how egregious is the action?
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (03:51):
And then secondly, I think you would probably look at
it if it's a game, if we're just basing it
at as okay, this person is going to get a
game suspension. Then when you base it off of the
quarter that they got ejected, So if they got ejected
in the first quarter, you know, somewhere in and around
(04:12):
the first quarter, early to mid I would probably say that.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
What one half, one half.
Speaker 5 (04:21):
Maybe the game, probably the game, probably the game, probably
the game. And then second quarter, second quarter, I don't know.
I feel like I feel like second quarter is no
man's land. But anything after that halftime, third quarter, fourth quarter,
it's the first half of the next game. And then
you come back in the second half of the game,
(04:42):
I would think.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
But that's like college, you know what I mean. I
don't think that's pro but I.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Mean, it's just four quarters of whatever game.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
We're basing it off of a game, right, If you
got kicked out in the first quarter, you're gone for.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
The next game. Yeah, if you get kicked out in
the second quarter, I don't know what to tell you.
Speaker 5 (05:00):
Fourth quarter, first half of the next game, come back
in the second half.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
I just wonder if the video of Dak Prescott spitting
on the ground in front of him made the NFL go,
this wouldn't look all that great if we suspended Jalen
Carter for another game and Dak Prescott just kind of
got to walk away with a smirk on his face
and some half assed lie after the game.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
I just want I.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Wonder if if he has anything to do with it.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
I really don't because at the end of the day,
there are a lot of things you're you know, one
of the number one rules of thumb that are taught
to you the moment you start playing sports is that
always maintain your control because it's always the second guy
that gets caught. So in this scenario, sure he provoked
them with what he did. He provoked them, he taunted him,
(05:51):
but what he did was not he didn't break the rules,
Like he didn't spit on him and then he spit
back on him. He spit in his direction, and he
taunted him. I don't think that they take that into
consideration whatsoever because of the bottom line.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Really yeah, because I look at it from the standpoint
of it.
Speaker 7 (06:11):
But they do look at taunting like one of the
things they do on sports money contact conduct is is taunting.
Speaker 5 (06:18):
Yeah, but you're to get war. You're not going You're
not going to get this. No, but from a gang
getting taunted, here's.
Speaker 7 (06:25):
What I'd put Well, first off, if you do it
enough times, you could I believe it's for multiple and
sports my conducts in fractions.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
The other thing I'd say is.
Speaker 7 (06:36):
If, like I think the punishment on Jaylor Carter, Jaalen
Carter should be lessened if he was being taunted, right
Like to me, if Jalen Carter's action just came out
of nowhere, it looks worse, right, But if he was
prompted or if someone you know, some antagonized him to
(06:56):
do that, you know, yeah, which he was, so like
That's why I'm saying, like it it felt different after
seeing what Dak was doing to them, be like, okay,
like Dak kind of escalated the situation, Jalen Carter took
it a step further. You know, who knows where it
goes from there. But but ultimately, like, no one's throwing punches,
but that's probably the next step, and that's what the
(07:18):
NFL is trying to stop. So that's why I kind
of look at it and go, yeah, it probably should
have been offsetting, Like if we're being real, I mean,
I know, I know people are gonna react, you know,
in a crazy way to that, especially Dallas fans, but
you know, it just I don't know, You're right, it
doesn't warrant being injected, but he wasn't like blameless in
(07:39):
this whole thing.
Speaker 5 (07:39):
Either I don't disagree with the he wasn't blameless, but
I don't agree with offsetting and because again I think
weighing the weighted aspect of it what Jalen Carter Carter
did if he was on the street, if we put
them out on a on a sidewalk, but hold.
Speaker 7 (08:00):
On to you can Okay, a dude's gonna step to him.
You can't tell me that if you don't spit at someone,
they're not gonna step to you. There's gonna like be
like what I'm gonna take that?
Speaker 5 (08:10):
Sure, sure they are, but again, it still has to
be a level of control on the other person's behalf
because we're one spit in the direction the other person.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
Spit on, right, That's what I'm saying is the other
one isn't I get that, I get that.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
Threatened well, But that's.
Speaker 7 (08:32):
What I'm saying is if Jalen Carter spit towards Dak Prescott,
you don't know that I would have would have escalated
to that. And that's what I'm saying. It's like to
me it was about him. I I I understand, Like,
but what I'm saying, there's levels to this right, there's
levels to this. So what I'm saying is, if we're out,
if we're on the street, you're at a bar or something,
(08:53):
some dude spits at you. Someone's probably stepping to that person.
What you just do, like you guys, something to say.
Speaker 5 (09:00):
And then so you're basically saying, if an alpaca spits
at you, you have the right to punch him in
the face. And better there be no repercussions from you
slapping that that outpaa.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Put him down because of spit.
Speaker 5 (09:14):
At put a canoe on his shoulders, and that should
be offsetting. He spit at you, you put him down,
and and y'all just keep it moving.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Damn right.
Speaker 5 (09:23):
No no repercussions, by the way, subtle little jab from
LeVar there that I think he thought we were just
going to gloss over.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Uh you. So you're you're saying that Jalen Carter hit him.
So what you're doing is taking a shot at Dak
Prescott's accuracy again because he wasn't.
Speaker 5 (09:39):
That's correct. Very well done, Jonas Knox chef.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Very very well done. God dang, Dak.
Speaker 5 (09:47):
You couldn't even hit that man with a with a looge,
but put the ball, take the ball out of his head.
That's why he should be suspended, or that's why it
should be offsetting, because.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Dak couldn't even hit him with the spit.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
I got to get in that stead out.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Couldn't even do it. Shouldn't on that.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Thing, help it.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
On that thing? Oh that that's run its course.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
She's still slinging a fraudulent Was it an n f
T something like that she was slinging.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
No, that was it was a crypto? Was it?
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Coop?
Speaker 6 (10:19):
You got it?
Speaker 4 (10:20):
Token coin?
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Coop? Didn't you?
Speaker 6 (10:22):
You bought one of those?
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Didn't you? You got conned into that?
Speaker 3 (10:25):
No? I did not buy any Well, they said, I
don't think.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
She knew that it was a scam. She was, she was.
Speaker 5 (10:33):
Here, he goes, Yeah, all right, They said, she show
up to your doors, that ring your doorbell and deliver
the n f T.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
What else? What did you? Uh? Did you not?
Speaker 1 (10:55):
That?
Speaker 5 (10:55):
I know that in real life, but that's maybe what
I heard on now I'm jokings.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Now did you happen to see? Pro Football Talk reported
that while the suspension allows the Eagles to avoid the
guarantees and Carter's rookie contract, they've elected not to do
so that they're going to go ahead and uh not
not take that opportunity here.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
So stand I bet you Sirianni was happy that.
Speaker 5 (11:20):
I mean, I want to say he was happy, but
I bet you Sirianni was on the inside like we
don't play that. S we don't play that. Don't be
spitting at us, don't don't be don't don't if if
you don't want to get got, don't be doing no
getting what.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
You know, what do you think Big Dom was doing?
Speaker 3 (11:39):
You you were sitting there.
Speaker 5 (11:40):
Probably Dom was probably sitting there like all f I
gotta get him out of here, like I gotta get
him off the field.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
What's going to happen next? You know.
Speaker 5 (11:52):
Luckily they were at home, you know, because if they're
not at home, if they're in Dallas, I know Don
would have been having some He's grown.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Up very nicely too. By the way.
Speaker 5 (12:02):
He was always a cool dude, super super cool dude,
bubbly dude.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
But he's like he's a grown man now. Man, he's
a good dude. Bro. I really, man, it was really
cool seeing.
Speaker 5 (12:13):
Them because I got an opportunity, you know, like how
you change from when you're younger, like you meet somebody
later on in life. You guys had experiences and hung out.
We used to walk around together, man, and yeah, it's
pretty cool seeing him. He's married, got a family, beautiful family. Yeah,
he's probably sitting there like, I'm gonna do my job
because I got to deliver, because I'm Big Dom and
(12:34):
that matters here in the city of brotherly Love.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
You know, I'm gonna hold it down.
Speaker 5 (12:39):
I'm gonna take Big Jalen to the locker room, make
sure he's good, make sure he's safe, and then give
him a big hug in the locker room and say, yeah,
we're gonna beat these cowboys every time we see them. Yeah,
that's what I think, shouts out to Big Dom. We
are baby, I'm with you. Man, Okay, I'm done. Hey
he's the biggest Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
But Lee, why do you keep coming in the studio?
What happened here? What is going on?
Speaker 4 (13:10):
What?
Speaker 2 (13:10):
What is what's going on here? If you seem alarmed
by I'm not alarmed. I'm always have to check at
the beginning of the show to make sure we're all
set up on the on the on the zoom.
Speaker 5 (13:21):
I'm trying to delete as many emails as I can
so you can send me at zoom link because I
don't have it on on I don't have my other
email on this on this computer, so there's that. I
don't want to get suspended for that either. I don't
want that to be an egregious uh thing for me.
But sorry, tell you when you can send me something. Okay, okay, anyways,
(13:46):
let's get back to this topic.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Man.
Speaker 5 (13:47):
Let's let's let's talk some more sports. You know, it
is time for a break too at some point, but
you know, let's get so do you guys feel as
though it's legit break?
Speaker 4 (13:57):
Huh?
Speaker 5 (13:58):
I mean, hey, no, I'm cool that will work.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Yeah, well, look what's are of us?
Speaker 4 (14:14):
What?
Speaker 3 (14:16):
What whata?
Speaker 6 (14:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (14:23):
So listen, yeah, I got problems man.
Speaker 6 (14:25):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
You know, he's uh time served and we were often
running into uh into week two of the NFL, so
that's uh, that appears to be uh where things are at.
And you know, Dak Prescott spits on the ground, uh
plays koy. Afterwards, Jalen Carter spits on him lands the
loogie plane, so to speak, and next thing you know,
(14:47):
he's getting popped fifty seven thousand dollars for his game
check in week two so I'm surprised. So he got
paid for week one, but week two he's not going
to get paid. So it's kind I mean.
Speaker 5 (15:00):
Which about a way, that's a hell of a fine
to spin on somebody. Seventy five g's that's a lot
of fifty seven fifty seven, Yeah, I mean fifty seven
is a lot.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
I agree either way, it's a lot. It's a lot.
That's a lot spin on somebody. Man, it's a really
expensive uh you know, Loue.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
But I don't know, man, But if he he spit
on his chest.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
So he didn't technically spit on him.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Yeah, so had he spit in his face, would that
have been two games? Like, there's there's a lot of.
Speaker 5 (15:35):
Information we need to know the weighted part of it.
But do y'all think that? So a boy your your account? Q?
Do you think that something should have been done to
Dak Prescott? Should he have been disciplined for what he did?
Speaker 7 (15:50):
I mean, yeah, I think I think there should have
been something. I don't know what that is, and it
wasn't to the level of Jalen. I get that, but
like acting like Dak Prescott's innocent in all this where
I don't think it escalates to Jalen doing that.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
If Dak's not talking.
Speaker 7 (16:04):
Trash and it spits at him, you're lying to yourself
like that played a role in all this. So it's
one of the reasons why when I kind of went
back and looked at it, I don't even know that
he should have been ejected. I think they should have
penalized the Eagles and then moved on if it would
have known the full story. And now that they do
know the full story, it's, you know, like he already
(16:27):
served the kind of the suspension. He's getting fine, but
it's just kind of like, I don't know, something small
for Dak would make sense, probably because it again it
was like he was innocent in all this.
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Speaker 2 (17:33):
So Ryan Day, the head coach of Ohio State, he
had some comments about the single window that was proposed
for the portal in college football in January, and he
had this to say yesterday.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
I don't think it's a good idea at all.
Speaker 8 (17:52):
In the conversations that we had with the Big Ten coaches,
I think the majority of them agree. I just don't
quite understand how, you know, for teams that are playing
in the playoffs are expected to, you know, make the
decisions and sign their their upcoming players while they're still
(18:13):
getting ready to play for games.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
It doesn't make any sense to me.
Speaker 8 (18:17):
I know the calendar is funky, but you know, I
know that the Big Ten and Antony Petitti has been
working hard because he doesn't believe it either, and neither
to the coaches in the Big Ten. We had at
a lot of long discussions about that and tried to
work through the different windows. But I don't agree with
it being in January, right, So.
Speaker 5 (18:36):
We'll assume the SEC feels the same way too. Those
are the two biggest conferences that matter.
Speaker 7 (18:42):
Well, that's why I don't understand how does this all
come about? Then, Like you have coaches who are telling
you this isn't a good idea.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
Now.
Speaker 7 (18:50):
Granted, a coach who probably expects to be playing this
time of year coincides with the semi finals in National Championship,
which I do believe is bringing up a good point.
Even though it's only fourteen teams, it really is tough,
Like on the coaches on the players.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
I think about if you're a player who's a backup.
Speaker 7 (19:10):
And and you know you know you're not gonna get
a chance to play there the following year, but you're
playing in the semi final game. I mean, people both
privile your Your backup falls right in this category. The
backup for Penn State last year had to make a
decision and because he knew Drew Aller was going to
be the guy and he had to transfer instead of
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being with his team through it, and who knows goes down?
Speaker 5 (19:37):
If he goes down, we do not have our real
backup quarterback with like you're talking about a matter of
a week, right, we're talking like a matter of a week.
So that you've you've basically impacted the college playoff with
with this portal.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
Go ahead.
Speaker 7 (19:55):
Well, and you wonder too, like what about what about
a player where like, let's say the starter goes down
and could be any position in the quarterfinal game, and
so the backup's now thrust it into that role for
the semi final final. Yet can't transfer, Right, He's got
this window, he's got to play it out. His team
has a chance to play for national championship. You know
you can't do that. Yet when that starter comes back
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next year, he's gonna.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
Be a back up.
Speaker 7 (20:20):
Like I just it's not that complicated. I don't know
why they can't look at it and say, let's go
to the spring window. The spring window is the only window,
and it allows a couple of things. Let's say a
new coach takes over, Maybe that young man can stay
at that school, go through spring and figure out if
he wants to be there for this new coach or
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not know or figure out, for example, if he's gonna
be the starter or not. And once that happens, you
can say, yeah, I don't know, I'm gonna go elsewhere.
That's fine. You still have the summertime, you still have
training camp and all of that. I don't know why
they don't look at the spring window for football and
say this is the only window they need. They don't
need to. It would allow a lot of the kids,
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you know, to be able to make a sound decision,
forced them to commit for a year to a place,
and allow the coaches to still be able to kind
of do the recruiting they do at the high school
level and play for national championship to not be impacted.
It doesn't seem this complicated. I don't know why or
who's pushing this whole January date, especially when you have
(21:24):
the defending national champions the head coach saying you him
and other than the big others in the Big ten
don't like it. And I can't imagine the SCC likes
it or the Big twelve of the ACC. I don't
get where this comes from.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Prabula even spoke about it afterwards, saying he didn't want
to leave, like he wanted to be a part of
the you know, the college football playoff and go through
the whole process. And it wasn't like he didn't get
any playing time last year. They used him in spots
last year, and and James Franklin had his back afterwards
said listen, this is not on him, Like he said
it back then, He's all he had no choice. He
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had to do it. He literally had to do it.
He didn't want to do it, but he had to
do it.
Speaker 5 (22:03):
And it just I mean, if he wanted to play
like like like, that's just because again, transferring is transferring
right Like to me, there's the whole that's a whole
different conversation. If you've made the decision that you want
to transfer, there could be greener pastors other places. I
get that. So, but you didn't have to transfer. There's
(22:25):
always that right. So, but having his back and being
supportive of what Bo did, I think we all were
within the community because we all understood what the scenario
was when Drew Allard declared that he was going to
come back this season. So but with that being said, again,
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it is four teams that it was the quarterfinals of quarterfinals, quarterfinals.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
I believe it would open after the quarterfinals.
Speaker 5 (22:56):
Right after the quarterfinals, And so to me, when I
look at it from that perspective, you're still like the
teams that are in the playoffs are probably impacted by
it as well. And I won't go too deep into that,
but it's just there's a lot of communication I would
assume that is taking place leading up to that portal
(23:20):
opening up, and I doubt it's by the players themselves.
It's this new age of agents are a part of this.
Parents are more activated in what's going on now. People
make it a point to put it out there what
the plan is going to be moving forward. Plus it's
(23:41):
a ten day window. That's not a large amount of time.
You're talking about thousands of young athletes that are going
into the portal, and these schools have ten days to
figure out what they want to do not only with
those kids that are in or young young men that
are in the portal, but what they're going to do
(24:04):
with the players that are currently on their team. Like now,
you got to take that into consideration. So I think
there's so many moving elements in it that there should
be a fair opportunity where the time is used properly
by all teams, all things given, make it even in
terms of what that what that looks like, because if
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a team is playing far into the playoffs or you know,
preparing for the playoffs, they're not preparing for You're not
just going to take this portion of your your team
and send them to to just recruit for the transfer portal.
So somebody's going to somebody's going to take an al
in that, and it just doesn't seem like that should
(24:48):
be how it is.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Yeah, that's a good point.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
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Speaker 2 (25:02):
So we do have traditions here on this show, and
one of those involves this man. He's the old peon X.
He is Petros Papadekas, the co host of the Petros
and Money Show, which you can hear on the Blowtorch
AM five to seven LA Sports Fox College Football analyst.
Good morning, p How are you.
Speaker 6 (25:20):
Good morning to you? Good morning everybody.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
I'm okay.
Speaker 5 (25:22):
There he is there he is hello, Hello, Hello, Hello,
hello hello.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
Almost like a Timmy be impression. Petros.
Speaker 6 (25:30):
Oh, the toe tapping Timmy b.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
That's right, that's right, the one only you know how
the toe top.
Speaker 6 (25:38):
I think that's his uh, that was his nickname back
in the day.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
I'm just saying, do you know how to toe?
Speaker 4 (25:44):
Petros?
Speaker 6 (25:44):
How do you get that nickname? No, I don't believe.
Speaker 9 (25:46):
I believe because he has nervous legs.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
Nervous legs, Petros, Yes, I'm here.
Speaker 5 (25:57):
Do you seem like when you were a player you
were kind of like tough, hard nose, nasty, you know,
like fight you and all that good stuff, you know,
scratch you try to get the upper hand. Would you,
I mean, would you have happened to ever have let
one go out of your mouth into another player at
any point time?
Speaker 9 (26:17):
And you're no, no, No, I wasn't. I mean not purposely,
you know. I have a mouth breather, or I was
for me. I'm trying not to be, but I'm a
mouth breather too for something. Yeah, and my tongue is
too big for my mouth and.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
Yeah, so your big tongue, you big tongue, dude, like.
Speaker 9 (26:36):
Big and flaccid and uh so, my yes, my tongue
is too big for my mouth, and I have a
mouth breather, and I I have a lisp, which is
a little bit odd for a radio personality. But so
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all of those things lead to me spinning when I talk,
but not on purpose.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
Okay.
Speaker 9 (27:03):
I always had a hard time talking much on the
football field with the mouthpiece in and just being able.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
To do what would sound like when you tried to talk.
Speaker 10 (27:11):
Sure, you know like that, so to spin for so long,
like you know, I haven't won a spit was going
down your chin like I don't know, Like.
Speaker 9 (27:22):
I'm just I am. I'm very It's been a long
long time since I played football, and I still work
in football, and I'm around football, and I am expected
to talk about football at the drop of a hat
at all times. But I think that, I mean, I
remember it now.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
What's that You're into other things now? Though?
Speaker 6 (27:45):
Well, I mean it's.
Speaker 9 (27:46):
Been twenty you know, twenty eight years or something, twenty
five years since I look through a face mask, So
I mean that's a quarner imagine quarter of a century.
Speaker 6 (27:55):
So I will say this.
Speaker 9 (27:59):
When I got done playing football and got into the media,
I really felt like I was just an old football
player acting like a media member or putting on a facade,
and then after a few years of that, I felt
like a media member acting like an ex football player
whenever anybody asked me about what the right.
Speaker 6 (28:19):
Things to do were as far as a football player goes.
But yes, it's it's it's good to remember.
Speaker 5 (28:26):
And you went and shame somebody and tell them that
you know you never played, You would you wouldn't do that.
Speaker 9 (28:32):
I mean, what the way some people talk about the
sport having never played is obvious, I guess, but I
don't think it's nice or prudent to point out on
a panel show or or or really anywhere. I mean,
because that line got very blurred. I mean, there used
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to be a time where analysts analyzed because they were
ex players are coaches, and the play by play people
didn't do as much analysis, And now everybody does analysis.
You can be a football analyst just showing up, and
I guess it's the same thing for me. I mean,
what am I a short yardage tailback and I'm talking
about all kinds of other stuff in football because I'm
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a quote unquote football analyst. So it's yeah, it's it's
a very blurry line in today's day and age, and
it's changed a lot since I got done playing. But
I never I've never respected when somebody sits there and says, well,
that guy sucks, and it's like, okay, well, being a
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second string quarterback on an NFL football team, that guy
doesn't suck. The circumstance of football, I think, and how
many moving parts and how many people are out there,
and what's actually happening, and the reason behind everything, and
most importantly, whatever level you're at, if you're out there
with the helmet on, how quickly things happen out there.
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Things happen out there in literally the blink of an eye,
and you can either be right or wrong. But people
will analyze what happened in the blink of an eye
for hours and hours and sit there and think about
it and say, well, you should have done this, you
should have done that, without really realizing the just the
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fleeting nature of the moment and just how bad things
can go in a very very short time as a player,
and then people will sit back and say.
Speaker 6 (30:35):
Well, this, this, this and this and this, and.
Speaker 9 (30:37):
It's it's that part of it is a little bit disconcerting.
I guess if we're talking about non players and players,
just how quickly things happen out there. And then the
other thing that people I don't think understand is and
it's very hard to wrap your head around unless you
are an ex player or been in a facility and
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watch people come and go and live that life like
football players do or coaches, is that the circumstantial nature
of football is probably the biggest It's kind of like, okay,
there's a defense out there with guys like LeVar, and
as the new word to call guys like LeVar on
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defense is creatures.
Speaker 6 (31:21):
You know, they had some real creatures on that side
of the ball.
Speaker 9 (31:24):
And there's all kinds of people that are really tough
as hell, but nobody out there hits harder than the ground.
The thing that cancusses everybody most of the time is
the ground. I mean not to say that that's happens
every time, but nobody really talks about that. And it's
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kind of the same thing with circumstance and football. Circumstance
is most of the time the biggest dictator of what
actually happensness.
Speaker 6 (31:54):
You can be a.
Speaker 9 (31:55):
Diligent person and live your life and persevere and fight
through it. And football is full of great stories like that.
But since you're asking me a philosophical question, I'll give
you more of a philosophical answer. I've seen so many players,
as I know you guys have even more that were
better than the guys that were celebrated and great. But
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because of something in life a girlfriend grades problems, inability
to overcome something, we never saw them featured like they
should have been as great players, just because that's how
it is. Sometimes the best football players most of us
have ever seen didn't play that much, or there's a
reason something happened.
Speaker 6 (32:38):
You know, they got hurt badly and things of that nature.
Speaker 9 (32:41):
Quarterbacks get picked somewhere, and if they would have got
picked somewhere else, they would have had a fifteen year
career somewhere. If they if they got picked this place,
it was like a two year career and now they
work at enterprise Rennakar, which could have very easily happened
to Brady Quinn. I mean Brady Brady, Tom Brady, So
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I mean Brady Quinn. Athletic specimen, you know he was
craft But so I think that's one thing that maybe
escapes the non players of the world. And of course
I'm not talking about Pete Schrager, who we know and
used to work with at Fox, but the non players
of the world. I think the circumstance of football sometimes
escapes people and they think, well, this guy's a great
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football player, He's obviously going to have an NFL career.
Speaker 6 (33:27):
It's not that way.
Speaker 9 (33:29):
And I think most of us that have been inside
the sport have seen it not work out for so
many people, and we understand why. And that is a
little bit. I think that's it just is not logical.
It's not linear for people to understand. Sports Fans are
people that looking at a football team from the outside
and and they don't understand the abstract nature of Wow,
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look at all these weird little plinko chips that had
to fall for this guy's career to go this way.
Maybe maybe it's a little too weird of an answer.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
I'm surprised that there was such an uproar over it,
Like and I understand Ryan.
Speaker 6 (34:06):
I think it's just that guy.
Speaker 9 (34:08):
You know, that guy says something to off every week
and then he has to come back and apologize.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
I look at it like this and we were talking
about a little bit earlier, and I told them like,
if they were to ever, if Brady or LeVar were
ever to say, hey, you didn't play the game, you
wouldn't know. I wouldn't be offended by it. It's true,
like there are elements of that that I don't know,
and I.
Speaker 9 (34:26):
Will you played line one thousand, Oh, it wouldn't that
you guys didn't have a complex blocking.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
No, No, I did not play line maybe one time
in pro but I just unnecessary.
Speaker 6 (34:38):
I wouldn't know. I wouldn't but I wouldn't know. I
thought he was I thought he was a tackle. No,
definitely not.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
Yeah, yeah, tackle all the way, but.
Speaker 6 (34:54):
On the perimeter.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Yeah yeah, Sorry.
Speaker 6 (34:59):
Man, all right, go ahead. Do you want me offended
to it?
Speaker 2 (35:02):
I just I think that the problem is. I think
that the problem is people more so in my position,
who either didn't play or played just at a high
school level and nothing beyond, are really sensitive to that
part of the argument because there is no response to it.
You're right, I didn't play, Like, there's there's an element
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of football at the college and NFL level that you
guys know that nobody listening outside of people who did it.
Will know, And there's some people that just get really
offended by that.
Speaker 9 (35:32):
Adament unnecessary flex I think a big part of Adam
Matt Yes, and and and in the moment, it was
super unnecessary and very disrespectful. And obviously that guy has
got his own brand going and he makes a lot
of money doing it wearing that broach.
Speaker 6 (35:49):
So go do your thing.
Speaker 9 (35:51):
I guess he showed up at a friend of mine's funeral,
so that was nice of him. But other than that,
I do think that people football has always been an
outside in sport, right, no matter what you do, even
if you are an ex football player, even if you're
Joe Montana, Yes, you can show up and analyze a game,
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but unless you're really in somebody's facility and you really
know why they're doing there's a reason people do everything
on the football field. There's a reason every play is called.
There's a reason everybody's out there one reason or another.
There's always a reason. It might not be a good reason,
it might not have worked out, it might have looked
really bad after they called the play, or whatever what
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have you, but there's always a reason. And unless you're
in somebody's building and in their meetings all week and
all that. The truth is, you really don't know, So
most of us are just kind of guessing in that
regard and giving educated guesses based on your experience, based
on your meetings, based on what the coaches have told you.
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But sometimes that reasoning is not the true and sometimes
it doesn't work out. So that part of it is
is a mystery. And I think, what there's never been
more interest in the sport of football ever, but there's
never been less understanding of what it's like to play
and what the people that play are like and the
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sacrifices that they make.
Speaker 6 (37:21):
Now, why is this? Why is there more interest?
Speaker 9 (37:24):
And twenty four hour shows with Mina chimes telling you
what's going on with her South Korean flag behind her.
Speaker 6 (37:32):
And set you know.
Speaker 9 (37:34):
I mean, there's so much, there's so much analysis, fantasy
football shows, everybody with their hot takes, the new YouTube
channel on two pros and a cup of Joe comment
tell us if you like our takes, you know. So
there's never been more interest, But I do think it's
a very it's a weird irony because there's never been
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more interest, but there's never been less understanding. Right, It
felt like when I was younger, people that were interested
in football understood the sport more. So why don't they
understand the sport like they used to in a personal way?
And I think it's because a video games Madden and
stuff like that, where the players never get tired things
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of that nature. Fantasy football, which is a fantasy You're
not picking a team, you're picking individual players in a
team sport.
Speaker 6 (38:28):
From what I.
Speaker 9 (38:29):
Understand, I do a lot of fantasy football commercials, but
I've never actually done fantasy football ever. So I think
that helps dehumanize it. The fact that most players are faceless.
You know, we know what Tom Brady looks like, but
beyond that, you know, you know what Joe Burrow looks like,
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and Josh Allen maybe, but most players in the league
are not very identifiable by their face. And that's because
guys wear helmets. So I think that there's and all
of these shows that just kind of talk about it
without really knowing about it or without really digging into
the human side of it. I think that we've kind
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of lost touch of the person inside the pads in
some regard. Other than knowing what Arch Manning looks like
when he's going to the bathroom.
Speaker 4 (39:21):
Yeah. On that note, did you see the clip of
him throwing.
Speaker 6 (39:26):
Yes, yeah, yeah, I did.
Speaker 4 (39:29):
It look like he was wincing in pain.
Speaker 9 (39:30):
I don't know, I you know, I mean, people cover
the team, you know, it's I think that. I think
that he went out and had the game he had
against Ohio State. We talked about it, and there's going
to be scrutiny, you know, probably through September, and we'll
see how you know, That's that's how it goes. If
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you play great in your first game, everybody's on top
of you. If you don't play so good, then everybody's
on top of you in.
Speaker 6 (39:56):
A different way.
Speaker 7 (39:57):
So here's the thing is, there was a rumor that
he was playing a little bit banged up. I remember that,
and I reached out to someone I know. He said, yeah,
he's been taking like fifty percent of the snaps in practice.
So that's all I would say. I don't know the
extent of what's going on. Clearly they want to keep it,
you know, behind closed doors.
Speaker 6 (40:14):
I don't know what. You know, you're going to the bathroom.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
Do you.
Speaker 7 (40:20):
What if we ever cross paths and that the clip?
Speaker 4 (40:25):
Yeah, I saw the clip, But that's why I'm asking.
Speaker 6 (40:27):
The window clip, the Sark Sarks clip.
Speaker 7 (40:30):
Yes, Patricks, we played it yesterday. Okay, good, we've got
we wanted us to play it again for you.
Speaker 9 (40:35):
No, I just I wanted. I just I didn't know
that you saw the clip. I thought you might laugh
or something.
Speaker 7 (40:40):
Go ahead and make you know this is This is
why I'm asking you is because you know Sark and
it feels like he got a little cagey about people
asking about the health of Arch Manning, when in reality,
I don't know any of the quarterbacks who throw a football,
And as soon as the bulls getting ready to leave
their hand, they're already making a face like this hurts.
Speaker 6 (41:00):
Well, I don't know what you look like when you
go to the bathroom.
Speaker 9 (41:05):
Okay, moving on, I mean, I mean I didn't understand
the answer, you know, I didn't. You know, Hey, it
looks like your quarterback was in pain there. Did he
tell you that? Well, no, but you know, it kind
of looks like that, and he sort of threw it
like uncle Rico, I don't know what you look like
when you go.
Speaker 4 (41:19):
To the bathroom.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
He did get a defensive there.
Speaker 9 (41:25):
I think deep down, people that know Steve Sarkisian know
that he has a bad temper and that he will mother.
He's not as bad as he used to be, but
he will mother f anybody's mother. You saw him freak
out against that guy in the tunnel. That was just
the get back TV production guy that you know was
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trying to like talk on on a headset and hold
a team back.
Speaker 6 (41:49):
And next thing you know, Sarks like barking in this face.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
Was he was he more enjoyable to be around when
he was drinking on the sidelines?
Speaker 6 (41:57):
Well, I do remember, I don't know if he was
ever drinking.
Speaker 9 (42:01):
I will say this, the stories about Steve Sarkisian at
Washington make whatever happened at USC look like a trip
to Disneyland. Really yeah, and that's why when he left.
I don't know if I've ever said that on Arab,
but when he left Washington, the people at Washington like
throw a party.
Speaker 6 (42:21):
They're like, you're kidding me.
Speaker 9 (42:22):
USC hired this train wreck out from under us, and
now we get to go hire Chris Peterson and we
can't believe our good fortune. I mean that was really
the vibe in Seattle, overwhelmingly, and it lasted quite some time,
and you know what.
Speaker 6 (42:38):
It reminds me a little bit. Guys of USC.
Speaker 9 (42:41):
You know how USC has played what Missouri State and
Georgia Southern, and they've scored like two hundred points and
they're flexing on social media and everybody's all geeked up
and all that. It reminds me of twenty fifteen when
Steve's Sarkisian had USC and everybody's talking about how talented
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they were and how many weapons they had. And in
the first game, I think they played Idaho State and
put up a bunch of points. In the second game,
they played Arkansas State and put up a bunch of points,
and everybody was saying, Wow, this USC team, they're a
sleeper and blah blah blah. And then Christian McCaffrey came
to the coliseum and ran all over him. And then
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the Chris Peterson team, with a freshman quarterback named Jake
Browning and a freshman running back named Miles Gaskin came
down on a Thursday night or a Friday, I think
it was Thursday night and beat USC. And then two
days later, Sarkisian had an episode of some.
Speaker 6 (43:43):
Kind of was fired.
Speaker 9 (43:44):
So it reminds me a little bit about USC this year,
you know, playing a couple of very very undermanned opponents
at home, and now all of a sudden, you're going
to go to Purdue. I don't know how good Purdue is,
but conference wrote games are hard, and conference first road
game of the year that is a conference game is
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especially hard.
Speaker 6 (44:07):
So it does remind me a little bit of that.
But was Sark more fun? Yes, you know.
Speaker 9 (44:13):
We would have him come out to radio shows and
people be like, I can't believe it. He hung out
all night with us, and it's like, yeah, great, you know,
and maybe now you look back, it's not so great,
not such a great thing. But I will say this,
I never walked into the bathroom to see what he
looked like. I took pictures of one who's going to
the bathroom.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
So I did want to ask you this because in
the NFL they've adjusted the kickoff yet again, and you'd,
being an old school football fan yourself, somebody who partook
in the kickoff, the fact that we're seeing an uptick
in kickoff returns and the plays all of a sudden
alive again, it's got to warm your heart a little
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bit as a throwback football fan.
Speaker 6 (44:58):
No I don't know. I mean, does the NFL are
we talking about the NFL?
Speaker 2 (45:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (45:03):
Yeah, Does the NFL kickoff still look weird to you guys?
Speaker 2 (45:07):
Yes, yeah, it doesn't look nice, but at least for getting.
Speaker 9 (45:10):
Return, Yeah, it does look weird. But yeah, it looks
like less people are being exploded, like you know, like.
Speaker 6 (45:18):
By a mortar. It used to be.
Speaker 9 (45:21):
But uh but yeah, I don't, you know, I don't
The kickoff to me is kind of a wash. I
was on the kickoff team and the kickoff return team.
I was the wedge and the wedge breaker, and I mean,
I hate to admit it, but I would just pray
that our game was like nothing nothing, So all I
had to do was do it twice, you know.
Speaker 6 (45:40):
And uh, you know at halftime in the bedgebuster, Yeah,
I just wanted to do it.
Speaker 3 (45:46):
And then I would go over to if you was
in the wedge when I was coming to get it, Petros.
Speaker 6 (45:53):
You but what if I was holding hands? But if
I was holding hands with the guy next to me,
then we would be I was.
Speaker 5 (45:59):
I would coming after every last one of y'all. I
came after every single person that was in that wedge.
Speaker 6 (46:09):
The worst part about you kickoff.
Speaker 9 (46:12):
Is that you have like forty seconds You used to
have like thirty seconds to think, not that long, you know,
but a long enough thirty yards to like run down
and listen to your pads click and clack, to just
think about it, like why am I doing this? Why
am I running this fast to this kind of destruction?
Speaker 3 (46:26):
But here I am. I was grunting. I was grunting
and trying to pick up as much speed as I
could to hit y'all. That's what I was doing the
whole way down. And I do have to say unload.
Speaker 6 (46:40):
I don't think. I don't know if I know.
Speaker 9 (46:42):
Brady played a little some linebacker at the high school level,
but I don't know.
Speaker 6 (46:46):
Wedge, I don't know if you did that. He's got
a good head for it.
Speaker 3 (46:50):
He was in the way, but thank you.
Speaker 6 (46:54):
But I didn't know. I mean, the first I heard
that arch Manning could have been beat up. It was
two weeks ago.
Speaker 4 (47:02):
When we were your head. He's projecting.
Speaker 6 (47:06):
I don't know, Brady, I think we should do one.
Let's let's you know what.
Speaker 4 (47:11):
It's not just the hat, Brad, you were size eight.
I've seen it.
Speaker 2 (47:15):
I do not.
Speaker 9 (47:18):
I felt like I put a bucket on my head,
don't you, Bruce Bochy me. I'm you right now by
My head might be tall, might be big on the top,
but your head comes down around the bottom like a horse.
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But Brady was the first person to mention that arch
Manning could have some shoulder problems to me when we
were on the air two weeks ago, you know, because
of course you guys were all up there and all that,
and uh and so I that was the first I
heard of it. So when I saw him throw the
ball and win, like you said, I was not as
surprised as maybe some others because I had heard it
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from you.
Speaker 6 (48:06):
Here Jo Pro's and a cup of Joe.
Speaker 4 (48:09):
I was gonna ask you quickly, just the transfer portal.
Why do they complicate this and make it so hard?
Speaker 9 (48:15):
I think the Quarner system versus the semester system. I
think a lot of the reason that college football is
so weird and so great is because all of these
places are so different. I mean, you're asking Stanford to
play in the same world as Arizona State, you know,
same league for a while, you know, and you walk
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on campus in those places and they're just you.
Speaker 6 (48:38):
Know, Northwestern and Alabama.
Speaker 9 (48:41):
You know, you walk around and they're just so dramatically different,
and pro football, I don't think is like that. You know,
pro football, anybody's game and anybody's facility could really be anything.
Places have personality and teams have personality, but it's not
just so entrenched in the past and tradition and the
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area and the personality of those colleges dictate the sport
in a way. So you know, everybody goes to college
at a different time. Everybody has I mean, we just
expect everybody to be in the same pot, which is awesome,
but I think it also makes it complicated.
Speaker 6 (49:20):
It's unfortunate.
Speaker 9 (49:20):
I think, not just the portal, but once the season starts,
you don't want to talk about it too much, and
you don't want to talk about you know, this team's
in il as this compared to this and that, like
Gundy and Dan Lanning were doing it last week. And
now that we have games and everybody understands that everybody's
getting paid, let's just play the games and celebrate our sport.
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Because the off season is too long and filled with
too much bs. But why do they make it complicated?
Because everything in college football is complicated and stupid.
Speaker 2 (49:51):
It is Petros. We always appreciate what game we got
this weekend.
Speaker 9 (49:55):
I have I got to go to Logan, Utah. You
guys ever been to Logan? No no insurance anybody? Yeah
you've been to Utah Utah? No Logan.
Speaker 4 (50:07):
Yeah. I feel like, uh, do you have the drive
by Logan to go to Provo?
Speaker 6 (50:14):
I don't think so. I've been to Provo. I've been
to Provo, I've done games. I've never been to Utah State.
I've done games, but I've never been there.
Speaker 9 (50:23):
I've been to Salt Lake City a bunch of times,
obviously to see the utes and Kyle Winningham's team.
Speaker 6 (50:29):
He's never not been the coach.
Speaker 9 (50:32):
Since I've been to Salt Lake and then, uh, Provo
obviously is BYU. But I've never been to Logan, which
is supposed to be a nice place. So it's not
you know there people in Utah. Everything seems like relatively
close to Salt Lake City. It's not like, uh, everything's
like forty minutes.
Speaker 4 (50:49):
In some direction.
Speaker 2 (50:50):
They got you back on the road again. Nice this week.
Speaker 6 (50:52):
I am yet next week I don't know if I
will be all right.
Speaker 2 (50:55):
Well, we appreciate it to the Air Force versus Utah. Yeah,
they love and they'll be watching that.
Speaker 4 (51:01):
And by the way, you will not opposite direction. It's
the opposite direction of provo. It's north.
Speaker 6 (51:08):
Yeah, it's not.
Speaker 4 (51:08):
It's not. I have no idea about the geography in Utah. Well,
i'll send you a photo. Brady, thank you.
Speaker 6 (51:14):
I gotta be fair. I don't know either me.
Speaker 4 (51:16):
Hey, make sure you're trying to fig your big head.
Your big head in there, right.
Speaker 6 (51:21):
We'll see if they let me on the plane with it,
they might make me check it.
Speaker 4 (51:25):
You big tongue ass.
Speaker 6 (51:28):
Act like your head's not big, Brady. Fine, I didn't
say it. Go look at the it's not true. It's
not true what they said.
Speaker 4 (51:35):
Hey, go to the bucket store. I get yourself a hat.
Speaker 6 (51:41):
They're a bucket store around here.
Speaker 4 (51:45):
I'll help you get your head dry.
Speaker 2 (51:54):
Get him on the hecks at the old put is
here on box Moort radio.
Speaker 6 (52:02):
Oh my gosh.
It is the best of two pros and a couple
Joe with lamar Ares rating Winn and Jonas Knox on radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Good morning, boys, how are we feeling?
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Hello?
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Hey, I we're uh we were off and running here
on this Wednesday morning and.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Mistake last night?
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Did you Pittsburgh style?
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Pittsburgh style? Every time? A guy, every single time. It's
really good.
Speaker 4 (00:35):
You've been enjoying yourself out there, man, you really haven't.
Speaker 5 (00:38):
You know, I've been accused of that. I have been
accused of that.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
And you guilty has charged.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
I mean, I'll take it. I'll take it. I got.
Speaker 6 (00:54):
You.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Don't even need a jury or a judge. I take it.
What I love these State college boy?
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Uh w? Where do you have the steak at you
out for it?
Speaker 5 (01:09):
The American Alehouse. It's a really dope place. If you
when you.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Come back in town. Did you do the American Alehouse?
Ever when you come here, qu.
Speaker 5 (01:20):
I don't think we have you gotta do the American
Alehouse and Top Tree out Yeah yeah, man, yeah, yeah,
it's a great place. There was a whole entire there's
a bunch of lums from the Blue Band that are
part of this. Like I don't know what what to column,
(01:40):
but they play their their instruments and it's literally like
being in like a music hall at this place. And
it's small. It's a small, quaint place. It's very very nice.
But they was playing, they was playing them instruments. Well,
I just really enjoying myself.
Speaker 7 (01:59):
So yeah, rusty tromp bone and everything.
Speaker 5 (02:03):
Oh I mean rusty is their knee caps? Didn't them
knee joints? Yeah, you know, it is what it is. Yeah, yeah,
it was good though. It was good, bro, I mean listen,
but it was good.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
I mean, you know, I guess good news if you're
Jalen Carter of the Philadelphia Eagles. Uh, he's not going
to be suspended for this upcoming game with the Eagles
because the NFL said, you know what, he basically missed
the entire game last last week, so we're going to
go ahead and count that as suspension, but he is
(02:38):
going to get popped fifty seven thousand dollars. That'll be
the game check for a gave for week two, So
a little over fifty seven thousand dollars out of his pocket.
And then, you know, the NFL just kind of kind
of saying, well, we'll let this, you know, we'll let this,
you know, kind of pass, and you know he served
time served and all that to go along with it.
(03:00):
And I just wonder, you know, what is the what
is the cutoff point to where you can blow a
loogie on some guy and the NFL go, all right,
it's far enough into the game that this would deem
we suspend him for this game and next week? Like
are we talking first series? Second series? Like how far
(03:22):
into a game are you allowed to spit a lougi
before it doesn't impact your next week if you get
kicked out? That's my big question, great question.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
I mean, we have the way for Dean.
Speaker 5 (03:31):
I ton't you guys, but don't you guys think that
it would be based off of one the severity of
the infraction. So you gotta wait, way, what what the
lugi represented? That would probably be the first biggest question
is how egregious is the action?
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (03:51):
And then secondly, I think you would probably look at
it if it's a game, if we're just basing it
at as okay, this person is going to get a
game suspension. Then when you base it off of the
quarter that they got ejected, So if they got ejected
in the first quarter, you know, somewhere in and around
(04:12):
the first quarter, early to mid I would probably say that.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
What one half, one half.
Speaker 5 (04:21):
Maybe the game, probably the game, probably the game, probably
the game. And then second quarter, second quarter, I don't know.
I feel like I feel like second quarter is no
man's land. But anything after that halftime, third quarter, fourth quarter,
it's the first half of the next game. And then
you come back in the second half of the game,
(04:42):
I would think.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
But that's like college, you know what I mean. I
don't think that's pro but I.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Mean, it's just four quarters of whatever game.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
We're basing it off of a game, right, If you
got kicked out in the first quarter, you're gone for.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
The next game. Yeah, if you get kicked out in
the second quarter, I don't know what to tell you.
Speaker 5 (05:00):
Fourth quarter, first half of the next game, come back
in the second half.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
I just wonder if the video of Dak Prescott spitting
on the ground in front of him made the NFL go,
this wouldn't look all that great if we suspended Jalen
Carter for another game and Dak Prescott just kind of
got to walk away with a smirk on his face
and some half assed lie after the game.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
I just want I.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Wonder if if he has anything to do with it.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
I really don't because at the end of the day,
there are a lot of things you're you know, one
of the number one rules of thumb that are taught
to you the moment you start playing sports is that
always maintain your control because it's always the second guy
that gets caught. So in this scenario, sure he provoked
them with what he did. He provoked them, he taunted him,
(05:51):
but what he did was not he didn't break the rules,
Like he didn't spit on him and then he spit
back on him. He spit in his direction, and he
taunted him. I don't think that they take that into
consideration whatsoever because of the bottom line.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Really yeah, because I look at it from the standpoint
of it.
Speaker 7 (06:11):
But they do look at taunting like one of the
things they do on sports money contact conduct is is taunting.
Speaker 5 (06:18):
Yeah, but you're to get war. You're not going You're
not going to get this. No, but from a gang
getting taunted, here's.
Speaker 7 (06:25):
What I'd put Well, first off, if you do it
enough times, you could I believe it's for multiple and
sports my conducts in fractions.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
The other thing I'd say is.
Speaker 7 (06:36):
If, like I think the punishment on Jaylor Carter, Jaalen
Carter should be lessened if he was being taunted, right
Like to me, if Jalen Carter's action just came out
of nowhere, it looks worse, right, But if he was
prompted or if someone you know, some antagonized him to
(06:56):
do that, you know, yeah, which he was, so like
That's why I'm saying, like it it felt different after
seeing what Dak was doing to them, be like, okay,
like Dak kind of escalated the situation, Jalen Carter took
it a step further. You know, who knows where it
goes from there. But but ultimately, like, no one's throwing punches,
but that's probably the next step, and that's what the
(07:18):
NFL is trying to stop. So that's why I kind
of look at it and go, yeah, it probably should
have been offsetting, Like if we're being real, I mean,
I know, I know people are gonna react, you know,
in a crazy way to that, especially Dallas fans, but
you know, it just I don't know, You're right, it
doesn't warrant being injected, but he wasn't like blameless in
(07:39):
this whole thing.
Speaker 5 (07:39):
Either I don't disagree with the he wasn't blameless, but
I don't agree with offsetting and because again I think
weighing the weighted aspect of it what Jalen Carter Carter
did if he was on the street, if we put
them out on a on a sidewalk, but hold.
Speaker 7 (08:00):
On to you can Okay, a dude's gonna step to him.
You can't tell me that if you don't spit at someone,
they're not gonna step to you. There's gonna like be
like what I'm gonna take that?
Speaker 5 (08:10):
Sure, sure they are, but again, it still has to
be a level of control on the other person's behalf
because we're one spit in the direction the other person.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
Spit on, right, That's what I'm saying is the other
one isn't I get that, I get that.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
Threatened well, But that's.
Speaker 7 (08:32):
What I'm saying is if Jalen Carter spit towards Dak Prescott,
you don't know that I would have would have escalated
to that. And that's what I'm saying. It's like to
me it was about him. I I I understand, Like,
but what I'm saying, there's levels to this right, there's
levels to this. So what I'm saying is, if we're out,
if we're on the street, you're at a bar or something,
(08:53):
some dude spits at you. Someone's probably stepping to that person.
What you just do, like you guys, something to say.
Speaker 5 (09:00):
And then so you're basically saying, if an alpaca spits
at you, you have the right to punch him in
the face. And better there be no repercussions from you
slapping that that outpaa.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Put him down because of spit.
Speaker 5 (09:14):
At put a canoe on his shoulders, and that should
be offsetting. He spit at you, you put him down,
and and y'all just keep it moving.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Damn right.
Speaker 5 (09:23):
No no repercussions, by the way, subtle little jab from
LeVar there that I think he thought we were just
going to gloss over.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Uh you. So you're you're saying that Jalen Carter hit him.
So what you're doing is taking a shot at Dak
Prescott's accuracy again because he wasn't.
Speaker 5 (09:39):
That's correct. Very well done, Jonas Knox chef.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Very very well done. God dang, Dak.
Speaker 5 (09:47):
You couldn't even hit that man with a with a looge,
but put the ball, take the ball out of his head.
That's why he should be suspended, or that's why it
should be offsetting, because.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Dak couldn't even hit him with the spit.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
I got to get in that stead out.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Couldn't even do it. Shouldn't on that.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Thing, help it.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
On that thing? Oh that that's run its course.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
She's still slinging a fraudulent Was it an n f
T something like that she was slinging.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
No, that was it was a crypto? Was it?
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Coop?
Speaker 6 (10:19):
You got it?
Speaker 4 (10:20):
Token coin?
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Coop? Didn't you?
Speaker 6 (10:22):
You bought one of those?
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Didn't you? You got conned into that?
Speaker 3 (10:25):
No? I did not buy any Well, they said, I
don't think.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
She knew that it was a scam. She was, she was.
Speaker 5 (10:33):
Here, he goes, Yeah, all right, They said, she show
up to your doors, that ring your doorbell and deliver
the n f T.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
What else? What did you? Uh? Did you not?
Speaker 1 (10:55):
That?
Speaker 5 (10:55):
I know that in real life, but that's maybe what
I heard on now I'm jokings.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Now did you happen to see? Pro Football Talk reported
that while the suspension allows the Eagles to avoid the
guarantees and Carter's rookie contract, they've elected not to do
so that they're going to go ahead and uh not
not take that opportunity here.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
So stand I bet you Sirianni was happy that.
Speaker 5 (11:20):
I mean, I want to say he was happy, but
I bet you Sirianni was on the inside like we
don't play that. S we don't play that. Don't be
spitting at us, don't don't be don't don't if if
you don't want to get got, don't be doing no
getting what.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
You know, what do you think Big Dom was doing?
Speaker 3 (11:39):
You you were sitting there.
Speaker 5 (11:40):
Probably Dom was probably sitting there like all f I
gotta get him out of here, like I gotta get
him off the field.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
What's going to happen next? You know.
Speaker 5 (11:52):
Luckily they were at home, you know, because if they're
not at home, if they're in Dallas, I know Don
would have been having some He's grown.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Up very nicely too. By the way.
Speaker 5 (12:02):
He was always a cool dude, super super cool dude,
bubbly dude.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
But he's like he's a grown man now. Man, he's
a good dude. Bro. I really, man, it was really
cool seeing.
Speaker 5 (12:13):
Them because I got an opportunity, you know, like how
you change from when you're younger, like you meet somebody
later on in life. You guys had experiences and hung out.
We used to walk around together, man, and yeah, it's
pretty cool seeing him. He's married, got a family, beautiful family. Yeah,
he's probably sitting there like, I'm gonna do my job
because I got to deliver, because I'm Big Dom and
(12:34):
that matters here in the city of brotherly Love.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
You know, I'm gonna hold it down.
Speaker 5 (12:39):
I'm gonna take Big Jalen to the locker room, make
sure he's good, make sure he's safe, and then give
him a big hug in the locker room and say, yeah,
we're gonna beat these cowboys every time we see them. Yeah,
that's what I think, shouts out to Big Dom. We
are baby, I'm with you. Man, Okay, I'm done. Hey
he's the biggest Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
But Lee, why do you keep coming in the studio?
What happened here? What is going on?
Speaker 4 (13:10):
What?
Speaker 2 (13:10):
What is what's going on here? If you seem alarmed
by I'm not alarmed. I'm always have to check at
the beginning of the show to make sure we're all
set up on the on the on the zoom.
Speaker 5 (13:21):
I'm trying to delete as many emails as I can
so you can send me at zoom link because I
don't have it on on I don't have my other
email on this on this computer, so there's that. I
don't want to get suspended for that either. I don't
want that to be an egregious uh thing for me.
But sorry, tell you when you can send me something. Okay, okay, anyways,
(13:46):
let's get back to this topic.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Man.
Speaker 5 (13:47):
Let's let's let's talk some more sports. You know, it
is time for a break too at some point, but
you know, let's get so do you guys feel as
though it's legit break?
Speaker 4 (13:57):
Huh?
Speaker 5 (13:58):
I mean, hey, no, I'm cool that will work.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Yeah, well, look what's are of us?
Speaker 4 (14:14):
What?
Speaker 3 (14:16):
What whata?
Speaker 6 (14:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (14:23):
So listen, yeah, I got problems man.
Speaker 6 (14:25):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
You know, he's uh time served and we were often
running into uh into week two of the NFL, so
that's uh, that appears to be uh where things are at.
And you know, Dak Prescott spits on the ground, uh
plays koy. Afterwards, Jalen Carter spits on him lands the
loogie plane, so to speak, and next thing you know,
(14:47):
he's getting popped fifty seven thousand dollars for his game
check in week two so I'm surprised. So he got
paid for week one, but week two he's not going
to get paid. So it's kind I mean.
Speaker 5 (15:00):
Which about a way, that's a hell of a fine
to spin on somebody. Seventy five g's that's a lot
of fifty seven fifty seven, Yeah, I mean fifty seven
is a lot.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
I agree either way, it's a lot. It's a lot.
That's a lot spin on somebody. Man, it's a really
expensive uh you know, Loue.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
But I don't know, man, But if he he spit
on his chest.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
So he didn't technically spit on him.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Yeah, so had he spit in his face, would that
have been two games? Like, there's there's a lot of.
Speaker 5 (15:35):
Information we need to know the weighted part of it.
But do y'all think that? So a boy your your account? Q?
Do you think that something should have been done to
Dak Prescott? Should he have been disciplined for what he did?
Speaker 7 (15:50):
I mean, yeah, I think I think there should have
been something. I don't know what that is, and it
wasn't to the level of Jalen. I get that, but
like acting like Dak Prescott's innocent in all this where
I don't think it escalates to Jalen doing that.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
If Dak's not talking.
Speaker 7 (16:04):
Trash and it spits at him, you're lying to yourself
like that played a role in all this. So it's
one of the reasons why when I kind of went
back and looked at it, I don't even know that
he should have been ejected. I think they should have
penalized the Eagles and then moved on if it would
have known the full story. And now that they do
know the full story, it's, you know, like he already
(16:27):
served the kind of the suspension. He's getting fine, but
it's just kind of like, I don't know, something small
for Dak would make sense, probably because it again it
was like he was innocent in all this.
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Speaker 2 (17:33):
So Ryan Day, the head coach of Ohio State, he
had some comments about the single window that was proposed
for the portal in college football in January, and he
had this to say yesterday.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
I don't think it's a good idea at all.
Speaker 8 (17:52):
In the conversations that we had with the Big Ten coaches,
I think the majority of them agree. I just don't
quite understand how, you know, for teams that are playing
in the playoffs are expected to, you know, make the
decisions and sign their their upcoming players while they're still
(18:13):
getting ready to play for games.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
It doesn't make any sense to me.
Speaker 8 (18:17):
I know the calendar is funky, but you know, I
know that the Big Ten and Antony Petitti has been
working hard because he doesn't believe it either, and neither
to the coaches in the Big Ten. We had at
a lot of long discussions about that and tried to
work through the different windows. But I don't agree with
it being in January, right, So.
Speaker 5 (18:36):
We'll assume the SEC feels the same way too. Those
are the two biggest conferences that matter.
Speaker 7 (18:42):
Well, that's why I don't understand how does this all
come about? Then, Like you have coaches who are telling
you this isn't a good idea.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
Now.
Speaker 7 (18:50):
Granted, a coach who probably expects to be playing this
time of year coincides with the semi finals in National Championship,
which I do believe is bringing up a good point.
Even though it's only fourteen teams, it really is tough,
Like on the coaches on the players.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
I think about if you're a player who's a backup.
Speaker 7 (19:10):
And and you know you know you're not gonna get
a chance to play there the following year, but you're
playing in the semi final game. I mean, people both
privile your Your backup falls right in this category. The
backup for Penn State last year had to make a
decision and because he knew Drew Aller was going to
be the guy and he had to transfer instead of
(19:33):
being with his team through it, and who knows goes down?
Speaker 5 (19:37):
If he goes down, we do not have our real
backup quarterback with like you're talking about a matter of
a week, right, we're talking like a matter of a week.
So that you've you've basically impacted the college playoff with
with this portal.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
Go ahead.
Speaker 7 (19:55):
Well, and you wonder too, like what about what about
a player where like, let's say the starter goes down
and could be any position in the quarterfinal game, and
so the backup's now thrust it into that role for
the semi final final. Yet can't transfer, Right, He's got
this window, he's got to play it out. His team
has a chance to play for national championship. You know
you can't do that. Yet when that starter comes back
(20:18):
next year, he's gonna.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
Be a back up.
Speaker 7 (20:20):
Like I just it's not that complicated. I don't know
why they can't look at it and say, let's go
to the spring window. The spring window is the only window,
and it allows a couple of things. Let's say a
new coach takes over, Maybe that young man can stay
at that school, go through spring and figure out if
he wants to be there for this new coach or
(20:40):
not know or figure out, for example, if he's gonna
be the starter or not. And once that happens, you
can say, yeah, I don't know, I'm gonna go elsewhere.
That's fine. You still have the summertime, you still have
training camp and all of that. I don't know why
they don't look at the spring window for football and
say this is the only window they need. They don't
need to. It would allow a lot of the kids,
(21:04):
you know, to be able to make a sound decision,
forced them to commit for a year to a place,
and allow the coaches to still be able to kind
of do the recruiting they do at the high school
level and play for national championship to not be impacted.
It doesn't seem this complicated. I don't know why or
who's pushing this whole January date, especially when you have
(21:24):
the defending national champions the head coach saying you him
and other than the big others in the Big ten
don't like it. And I can't imagine the SCC likes
it or the Big twelve of the ACC. I don't
get where this comes from.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Prabula even spoke about it afterwards, saying he didn't want
to leave, like he wanted to be a part of
the you know, the college football playoff and go through
the whole process. And it wasn't like he didn't get
any playing time last year. They used him in spots
last year, and and James Franklin had his back afterwards
said listen, this is not on him, Like he said
it back then, He's all he had no choice. He
(21:59):
had to do it. He literally had to do it.
He didn't want to do it, but he had to
do it.
Speaker 5 (22:03):
And it just I mean, if he wanted to play
like like like, that's just because again, transferring is transferring
right Like to me, there's the whole that's a whole
different conversation. If you've made the decision that you want
to transfer, there could be greener pastors other places. I
get that. So, but you didn't have to transfer. There's
(22:25):
always that right. So, but having his back and being
supportive of what Bo did, I think we all were
within the community because we all understood what the scenario
was when Drew Allard declared that he was going to
come back this season. So but with that being said, again,
(22:46):
it is four teams that it was the quarterfinals of quarterfinals, quarterfinals.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
I believe it would open after the quarterfinals.
Speaker 5 (22:56):
Right after the quarterfinals, And so to me, when I
look at it from that perspective, you're still like the
teams that are in the playoffs are probably impacted by
it as well. And I won't go too deep into that,
but it's just there's a lot of communication I would
assume that is taking place leading up to that portal
(23:20):
opening up, and I doubt it's by the players themselves.
It's this new age of agents are a part of this.
Parents are more activated in what's going on now. People
make it a point to put it out there what
the plan is going to be moving forward. Plus it's
(23:41):
a ten day window. That's not a large amount of time.
You're talking about thousands of young athletes that are going
into the portal, and these schools have ten days to
figure out what they want to do not only with
those kids that are in or young young men that
are in the portal, but what they're going to do
(24:04):
with the players that are currently on their team. Like now,
you got to take that into consideration. So I think
there's so many moving elements in it that there should
be a fair opportunity where the time is used properly
by all teams, all things given, make it even in
terms of what that what that looks like, because if
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a team is playing far into the playoffs or you know,
preparing for the playoffs, they're not preparing for You're not
just going to take this portion of your your team
and send them to to just recruit for the transfer portal.
So somebody's going to somebody's going to take an al
in that, and it just doesn't seem like that should
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be how it is.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Yeah, that's a good point.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
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Speaker 2 (25:02):
So we do have traditions here on this show, and
one of those involves this man. He's the old peon X.
He is Petros Papadekas, the co host of the Petros
and Money Show, which you can hear on the Blowtorch
AM five to seven LA Sports Fox College Football analyst.
Good morning, p How are you.
Speaker 6 (25:20):
Good morning to you? Good morning everybody.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
I'm okay.
Speaker 5 (25:22):
There he is there he is hello, Hello, Hello, Hello,
hello hello.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
Almost like a Timmy be impression. Petros.
Speaker 6 (25:30):
Oh, the toe tapping Timmy b.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
That's right, that's right, the one only you know how
the toe top.
Speaker 6 (25:38):
I think that's his uh, that was his nickname back
in the day.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
I'm just saying, do you know how to toe?
Speaker 4 (25:44):
Petros?
Speaker 6 (25:44):
How do you get that nickname? No, I don't believe.
Speaker 9 (25:46):
I believe because he has nervous legs.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
Nervous legs, Petros, Yes, I'm here.
Speaker 5 (25:57):
Do you seem like when you were a player you
were kind of like tough, hard nose, nasty, you know,
like fight you and all that good stuff, you know,
scratch you try to get the upper hand. Would you,
I mean, would you have happened to ever have let
one go out of your mouth into another player at
any point time?
Speaker 9 (26:17):
And you're no, no, No, I wasn't. I mean not purposely,
you know. I have a mouth breather, or I was
for me. I'm trying not to be, but I'm a
mouth breather too for something. Yeah, and my tongue is
too big for my mouth and.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
Yeah, so your big tongue, you big tongue, dude, like.
Speaker 9 (26:36):
Big and flaccid and uh so, my yes, my tongue
is too big for my mouth, and I have a
mouth breather, and I I have a lisp, which is
a little bit odd for a radio personality. But so
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all of those things lead to me spinning when I talk,
but not on purpose.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
Okay.
Speaker 9 (27:03):
I always had a hard time talking much on the
football field with the mouthpiece in and just being able.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
To do what would sound like when you tried to talk.
Speaker 10 (27:11):
Sure, you know like that, so to spin for so long,
like you know, I haven't won a spit was going
down your chin like I don't know, Like.
Speaker 9 (27:22):
I'm just I am. I'm very It's been a long
long time since I played football, and I still work
in football, and I'm around football, and I am expected
to talk about football at the drop of a hat
at all times. But I think that, I mean, I
remember it now.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
What's that You're into other things now? Though?
Speaker 6 (27:45):
Well, I mean it's.
Speaker 9 (27:46):
Been twenty you know, twenty eight years or something, twenty
five years since I look through a face mask, So
I mean that's a quarner imagine quarter of a century.
Speaker 6 (27:55):
So I will say this.
Speaker 9 (27:59):
When I got done playing football and got into the media,
I really felt like I was just an old football
player acting like a media member or putting on a facade,
and then after a few years of that, I felt
like a media member acting like an ex football player
whenever anybody asked me about what the right.
Speaker 6 (28:19):
Things to do were as far as a football player goes.
But yes, it's it's it's good to remember.
Speaker 5 (28:26):
And you went and shame somebody and tell them that
you know you never played, You would you wouldn't do that.
Speaker 9 (28:32):
I mean, what the way some people talk about the
sport having never played is obvious, I guess, but I
don't think it's nice or prudent to point out on
a panel show or or or really anywhere. I mean,
because that line got very blurred. I mean, there used
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to be a time where analysts analyzed because they were
ex players are coaches, and the play by play people
didn't do as much analysis, And now everybody does analysis.
You can be a football analyst just showing up, and
I guess it's the same thing for me. I mean,
what am I a short yardage tailback and I'm talking
about all kinds of other stuff in football because I'm
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a quote unquote football analyst. So it's yeah, it's it's
a very blurry line in today's day and age, and
it's changed a lot since I got done playing. But
I never I've never respected when somebody sits there and says, well,
that guy sucks, and it's like, okay, well, being a
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second string quarterback on an NFL football team, that guy
doesn't suck. The circumstance of football, I think, and how
many moving parts and how many people are out there,
and what's actually happening, and the reason behind everything, and
most importantly, whatever level you're at, if you're out there
with the helmet on, how quickly things happen out there.
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Things happen out there in literally the blink of an eye,
and you can either be right or wrong. But people
will analyze what happened in the blink of an eye
for hours and hours and sit there and think about
it and say, well, you should have done this, you
should have done that, without really realizing the just the
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fleeting nature of the moment and just how bad things
can go in a very very short time as a player,
and then people will sit back and say.
Speaker 6 (30:35):
Well, this, this, this and this and this, and.
Speaker 9 (30:37):
It's it's that part of it is a little bit disconcerting.
I guess if we're talking about non players and players,
just how quickly things happen out there. And then the
other thing that people I don't think understand is and
it's very hard to wrap your head around unless you
are an ex player or been in a facility and
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watch people come and go and live that life like
football players do or coaches, is that the circumstantial nature
of football is probably the biggest It's kind of like, okay,
there's a defense out there with guys like LeVar, and
as the new word to call guys like LeVar on
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defense is creatures.
Speaker 6 (31:21):
You know, they had some real creatures on that side
of the ball.
Speaker 9 (31:24):
And there's all kinds of people that are really tough
as hell, but nobody out there hits harder than the ground.
The thing that cancusses everybody most of the time is
the ground. I mean not to say that that's happens
every time, but nobody really talks about that. And it's
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kind of the same thing with circumstance and football. Circumstance
is most of the time the biggest dictator of what
actually happensness.
Speaker 6 (31:54):
You can be a.
Speaker 9 (31:55):
Diligent person and live your life and persevere and fight
through it. And football is full of great stories like that.
But since you're asking me a philosophical question, I'll give
you more of a philosophical answer. I've seen so many players,
as I know you guys have even more that were
better than the guys that were celebrated and great. But
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because of something in life a girlfriend grades problems, inability
to overcome something, we never saw them featured like they
should have been as great players, just because that's how
it is. Sometimes the best football players most of us
have ever seen didn't play that much, or there's a
reason something happened.
Speaker 6 (32:38):
You know, they got hurt badly and things of that nature.
Speaker 9 (32:41):
Quarterbacks get picked somewhere, and if they would have got
picked somewhere else, they would have had a fifteen year
career somewhere. If they if they got picked this place,
it was like a two year career and now they
work at enterprise Rennakar, which could have very easily happened
to Brady Quinn. I mean Brady Brady, Tom Brady, So
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I mean Brady Quinn. Athletic specimen, you know he was
craft But so I think that's one thing that maybe
escapes the non players of the world. And of course
I'm not talking about Pete Schrager, who we know and
used to work with at Fox, but the non players
of the world. I think the circumstance of football sometimes
escapes people and they think, well, this guy's a great
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football player, He's obviously going to have an NFL career.
Speaker 6 (33:27):
It's not that way.
Speaker 9 (33:29):
And I think most of us that have been inside
the sport have seen it not work out for so
many people, and we understand why. And that is a
little bit. I think that's it just is not logical.
It's not linear for people to understand. Sports Fans are
people that looking at a football team from the outside
and and they don't understand the abstract nature of Wow,
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look at all these weird little plinko chips that had
to fall for this guy's career to go this way.
Maybe maybe it's a little too weird of an answer.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
I'm surprised that there was such an uproar over it,
Like and I understand Ryan.
Speaker 6 (34:06):
I think it's just that guy.
Speaker 9 (34:08):
You know, that guy says something to off every week
and then he has to come back and apologize.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
I look at it like this and we were talking
about a little bit earlier, and I told them like,
if they were to ever, if Brady or LeVar were
ever to say, hey, you didn't play the game, you
wouldn't know. I wouldn't be offended by it. It's true,
like there are elements of that that I don't know,
and I.
Speaker 9 (34:26):
Will you played line one thousand, Oh, it wouldn't that
you guys didn't have a complex blocking.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
No, No, I did not play line maybe one time
in pro but I just unnecessary.
Speaker 6 (34:38):
I wouldn't know. I wouldn't but I wouldn't know. I
thought he was I thought he was a tackle. No,
definitely not.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
Yeah, yeah, tackle all the way, but.
Speaker 6 (34:54):
On the perimeter.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Yeah yeah, Sorry.
Speaker 6 (34:59):
Man, all right, go ahead. Do you want me offended
to it?
Speaker 2 (35:02):
I just I think that the problem is. I think
that the problem is people more so in my position,
who either didn't play or played just at a high
school level and nothing beyond, are really sensitive to that
part of the argument because there is no response to it.
You're right, I didn't play, Like, there's there's an element
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of football at the college and NFL level that you
guys know that nobody listening outside of people who did it.
Will know, And there's some people that just get really
offended by that.
Speaker 9 (35:32):
Adament unnecessary flex I think a big part of Adam
Matt Yes, and and and in the moment, it was
super unnecessary and very disrespectful. And obviously that guy has
got his own brand going and he makes a lot
of money doing it wearing that broach.
Speaker 6 (35:49):
So go do your thing.
Speaker 9 (35:51):
I guess he showed up at a friend of mine's funeral,
so that was nice of him. But other than that,
I do think that people football has always been an
outside in sport, right, no matter what you do, even
if you are an ex football player, even if you're
Joe Montana, Yes, you can show up and analyze a game,
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but unless you're really in somebody's facility and you really
know why they're doing there's a reason people do everything
on the football field. There's a reason every play is called.
There's a reason everybody's out there one reason or another.
There's always a reason. It might not be a good reason,
it might not have worked out, it might have looked
really bad after they called the play, or whatever what
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have you, but there's always a reason. And unless you're
in somebody's building and in their meetings all week and
all that. The truth is, you really don't know, So
most of us are just kind of guessing in that
regard and giving educated guesses based on your experience, based
on your meetings, based on what the coaches have told you.
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But sometimes that reasoning is not the true and sometimes
it doesn't work out. So that part of it is
is a mystery. And I think, what there's never been
more interest in the sport of football ever, but there's
never been less understanding of what it's like to play
and what the people that play are like and the
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sacrifices that they make.
Speaker 6 (37:21):
Now, why is this? Why is there more interest?
Speaker 9 (37:24):
And twenty four hour shows with Mina chimes telling you
what's going on with her South Korean flag behind her.
Speaker 6 (37:32):
And set you know.
Speaker 9 (37:34):
I mean, there's so much, there's so much analysis, fantasy
football shows, everybody with their hot takes, the new YouTube
channel on two pros and a cup of Joe comment
tell us if you like our takes, you know. So
there's never been more interest, But I do think it's
a very it's a weird irony because there's never been
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more interest, but there's never been less understanding. Right, It
felt like when I was younger, people that were interested
in football understood the sport more. So why don't they
understand the sport like they used to in a personal way?
And I think it's because a video games Madden and
stuff like that, where the players never get tired things
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of that nature. Fantasy football, which is a fantasy You're
not picking a team, you're picking individual players in a
team sport.
Speaker 6 (38:28):
From what I.
Speaker 9 (38:29):
Understand, I do a lot of fantasy football commercials, but
I've never actually done fantasy football ever. So I think
that helps dehumanize it. The fact that most players are faceless.
You know, we know what Tom Brady looks like, but
beyond that, you know, you know what Joe Burrow looks like,
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and Josh Allen maybe, but most players in the league
are not very identifiable by their face. And that's because
guys wear helmets. So I think that there's and all
of these shows that just kind of talk about it
without really knowing about it or without really digging into
the human side of it. I think that we've kind
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of lost touch of the person inside the pads in
some regard. Other than knowing what Arch Manning looks like
when he's going to the bathroom.
Speaker 4 (39:21):
Yeah. On that note, did you see the clip of
him throwing.
Speaker 6 (39:26):
Yes, yeah, yeah, I did.
Speaker 4 (39:29):
It look like he was wincing in pain.
Speaker 9 (39:30):
I don't know, I you know, I mean, people cover
the team, you know, it's I think that. I think
that he went out and had the game he had
against Ohio State. We talked about it, and there's going
to be scrutiny, you know, probably through September, and we'll
see how you know, That's that's how it goes. If
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you play great in your first game, everybody's on top
of you. If you don't play so good, then everybody's
on top of you in.
Speaker 6 (39:56):
A different way.
Speaker 7 (39:57):
So here's the thing is, there was a rumor that
he was playing a little bit banged up. I remember that,
and I reached out to someone I know. He said, yeah,
he's been taking like fifty percent of the snaps in practice.
So that's all I would say. I don't know the
extent of what's going on. Clearly they want to keep it,
you know, behind closed doors.
Speaker 6 (40:14):
I don't know what. You know, you're going to the bathroom.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
Do you.
Speaker 7 (40:20):
What if we ever cross paths and that the clip?
Speaker 4 (40:25):
Yeah, I saw the clip, But that's why I'm asking.
Speaker 6 (40:27):
The window clip, the Sark Sarks clip.
Speaker 7 (40:30):
Yes, Patricks, we played it yesterday. Okay, good, we've got
we wanted us to play it again for you.
Speaker 9 (40:35):
No, I just I wanted. I just I didn't know
that you saw the clip. I thought you might laugh
or something.
Speaker 7 (40:40):
Go ahead and make you know this is This is
why I'm asking you is because you know Sark and
it feels like he got a little cagey about people
asking about the health of Arch Manning, when in reality,
I don't know any of the quarterbacks who throw a football,
And as soon as the bulls getting ready to leave
their hand, they're already making a face like this hurts.
Speaker 6 (41:00):
Well, I don't know what you look like when you
go to the bathroom.
Speaker 9 (41:05):
Okay, moving on, I mean, I mean I didn't understand
the answer, you know, I didn't. You know, Hey, it
looks like your quarterback was in pain there. Did he
tell you that? Well, no, but you know, it kind
of looks like that, and he sort of threw it
like uncle Rico, I don't know what you look like
when you go.
Speaker 4 (41:19):
To the bathroom.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
He did get a defensive there.
Speaker 9 (41:25):
I think deep down, people that know Steve Sarkisian know
that he has a bad temper and that he will mother.
He's not as bad as he used to be, but
he will mother f anybody's mother. You saw him freak
out against that guy in the tunnel. That was just
the get back TV production guy that you know was
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trying to like talk on on a headset and hold
a team back.
Speaker 6 (41:49):
And next thing you know, Sarks like barking in this face.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
Was he was he more enjoyable to be around when
he was drinking on the sidelines?
Speaker 6 (41:57):
Well, I do remember, I don't know if he was
ever drinking.
Speaker 9 (42:01):
I will say this, the stories about Steve Sarkisian at
Washington make whatever happened at USC look like a trip
to Disneyland. Really yeah, and that's why when he left.
I don't know if I've ever said that on Arab,
but when he left Washington, the people at Washington like
throw a party.
Speaker 6 (42:21):
They're like, you're kidding me.
Speaker 9 (42:22):
USC hired this train wreck out from under us, and
now we get to go hire Chris Peterson and we
can't believe our good fortune. I mean that was really
the vibe in Seattle, overwhelmingly, and it lasted quite some time,
and you know what.
Speaker 6 (42:38):
It reminds me a little bit. Guys of USC.
Speaker 9 (42:41):
You know how USC has played what Missouri State and
Georgia Southern, and they've scored like two hundred points and
they're flexing on social media and everybody's all geeked up
and all that. It reminds me of twenty fifteen when
Steve's Sarkisian had USC and everybody's talking about how talented
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they were and how many weapons they had. And in
the first game, I think they played Idaho State and
put up a bunch of points. In the second game,
they played Arkansas State and put up a bunch of points,
and everybody was saying, Wow, this USC team, they're a
sleeper and blah blah blah. And then Christian McCaffrey came
to the coliseum and ran all over him. And then
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the Chris Peterson team, with a freshman quarterback named Jake
Browning and a freshman running back named Miles Gaskin came
down on a Thursday night or a Friday, I think
it was Thursday night and beat USC. And then two
days later, Sarkisian had an episode of some.
Speaker 6 (43:43):
Kind of was fired.
Speaker 9 (43:44):
So it reminds me a little bit about USC this year,
you know, playing a couple of very very undermanned opponents
at home, and now all of a sudden, you're going
to go to Purdue. I don't know how good Purdue is,
but conference wrote games are hard, and conference first road
game of the year that is a conference game is
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especially hard.
Speaker 6 (44:07):
So it does remind me a little bit of that.
But was Sark more fun? Yes, you know.
Speaker 9 (44:13):
We would have him come out to radio shows and
people be like, I can't believe it. He hung out
all night with us, and it's like, yeah, great, you know,
and maybe now you look back, it's not so great,
not such a great thing. But I will say this,
I never walked into the bathroom to see what he
looked like. I took pictures of one who's going to
the bathroom.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
So I did want to ask you this because in
the NFL they've adjusted the kickoff yet again, and you'd,
being an old school football fan yourself, somebody who partook
in the kickoff, the fact that we're seeing an uptick
in kickoff returns and the plays all of a sudden
alive again, it's got to warm your heart a little
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bit as a throwback football fan.
Speaker 6 (44:58):
No I don't know. I mean, does the NFL are
we talking about the NFL?
Speaker 2 (45:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (45:03):
Yeah, Does the NFL kickoff still look weird to you guys?
Speaker 2 (45:07):
Yes, yeah, it doesn't look nice, but at least for getting.
Speaker 9 (45:10):
Return, Yeah, it does look weird. But yeah, it looks
like less people are being exploded, like you know, like.
Speaker 6 (45:18):
By a mortar. It used to be.
Speaker 9 (45:21):
But uh but yeah, I don't, you know, I don't
The kickoff to me is kind of a wash. I
was on the kickoff team and the kickoff return team.
I was the wedge and the wedge breaker, and I mean,
I hate to admit it, but I would just pray
that our game was like nothing nothing, So all I
had to do was do it twice, you know.
Speaker 6 (45:40):
And uh, you know at halftime in the bedgebuster, Yeah,
I just wanted to do it.
Speaker 3 (45:46):
And then I would go over to if you was
in the wedge when I was coming to get it, Petros.
Speaker 6 (45:53):
You but what if I was holding hands? But if
I was holding hands with the guy next to me,
then we would be I was.
Speaker 5 (45:59):
I would coming after every last one of y'all. I
came after every single person that was in that wedge.
Speaker 6 (46:09):
The worst part about you kickoff.
Speaker 9 (46:12):
Is that you have like forty seconds You used to
have like thirty seconds to think, not that long, you know,
but a long enough thirty yards to like run down
and listen to your pads click and clack, to just
think about it, like why am I doing this? Why
am I running this fast to this kind of destruction?
Speaker 3 (46:26):
But here I am. I was grunting. I was grunting
and trying to pick up as much speed as I
could to hit y'all. That's what I was doing the
whole way down. And I do have to say unload.
Speaker 6 (46:40):
I don't think. I don't know if I know.
Speaker 9 (46:42):
Brady played a little some linebacker at the high school level,
but I don't know.
Speaker 6 (46:46):
Wedge, I don't know if you did that. He's got
a good head for it.
Speaker 3 (46:50):
He was in the way, but thank you.
Speaker 6 (46:54):
But I didn't know. I mean, the first I heard
that arch Manning could have been beat up. It was
two weeks ago.
Speaker 4 (47:02):
When we were your head. He's projecting.
Speaker 6 (47:06):
I don't know, Brady, I think we should do one.
Let's let's you know what.
Speaker 4 (47:11):
It's not just the hat, Brad, you were size eight.
I've seen it.
Speaker 2 (47:15):
I do not.
Speaker 9 (47:18):
I felt like I put a bucket on my head,
don't you, Bruce Bochy me. I'm you right now by
My head might be tall, might be big on the top,
but your head comes down around the bottom like a horse.
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But Brady was the first person to mention that arch
Manning could have some shoulder problems to me when we
were on the air two weeks ago, you know, because
of course you guys were all up there and all that,
and uh and so I that was the first I
heard of it. So when I saw him throw the
ball and win, like you said, I was not as
surprised as maybe some others because I had heard it
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from you.
Speaker 6 (48:06):
Here Jo Pro's and a cup of Joe.
Speaker 4 (48:09):
I was gonna ask you quickly, just the transfer portal.
Why do they complicate this and make it so hard?
Speaker 9 (48:15):
I think the Quarner system versus the semester system. I
think a lot of the reason that college football is
so weird and so great is because all of these
places are so different. I mean, you're asking Stanford to
play in the same world as Arizona State, you know,
same league for a while, you know, and you walk
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on campus in those places and they're just you.
Speaker 6 (48:38):
Know, Northwestern and Alabama.
Speaker 9 (48:41):
You know, you walk around and they're just so dramatically different,
and pro football, I don't think is like that. You know,
pro football, anybody's game and anybody's facility could really be anything.
Places have personality and teams have personality, but it's not
just so entrenched in the past and tradition and the
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area and the personality of those colleges dictate the sport
in a way. So you know, everybody goes to college
at a different time. Everybody has I mean, we just
expect everybody to be in the same pot, which is awesome,
but I think it also makes it complicated.
Speaker 6 (49:20):
It's unfortunate.
Speaker 9 (49:20):
I think, not just the portal, but once the season starts,
you don't want to talk about it too much, and
you don't want to talk about you know, this team's
in il as this compared to this and that, like
Gundy and Dan Lanning were doing it last week. And
now that we have games and everybody understands that everybody's
getting paid, let's just play the games and celebrate our sport.
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Because the off season is too long and filled with
too much bs. But why do they make it complicated?
Because everything in college football is complicated and stupid.
Speaker 2 (49:51):
It is Petros. We always appreciate what game we got
this weekend.
Speaker 9 (49:55):
I have I got to go to Logan, Utah. You
guys ever been to Logan? No no insurance anybody? Yeah
you've been to Utah Utah? No Logan.
Speaker 4 (50:07):
Yeah. I feel like, uh, do you have the drive
by Logan to go to Provo?
Speaker 6 (50:14):
I don't think so. I've been to Provo. I've been
to Provo, I've done games. I've never been to Utah State.
I've done games, but I've never been there.
Speaker 9 (50:23):
I've been to Salt Lake City a bunch of times,
obviously to see the utes and Kyle Winningham's team.
Speaker 6 (50:29):
He's never not been the coach.
Speaker 9 (50:32):
Since I've been to Salt Lake and then, uh, Provo
obviously is BYU. But I've never been to Logan, which
is supposed to be a nice place. So it's not
you know there people in Utah. Everything seems like relatively
close to Salt Lake City. It's not like, uh, everything's
like forty minutes.
Speaker 4 (50:49):
In some direction.
Speaker 2 (50:50):
They got you back on the road again. Nice this week.
Speaker 6 (50:52):
I am yet next week I don't know if I
will be all right.
Speaker 2 (50:55):
Well, we appreciate it to the Air Force versus Utah. Yeah,
they love and they'll be watching that.
Speaker 4 (51:01):
And by the way, you will not opposite direction. It's
the opposite direction of provo. It's north.
Speaker 6 (51:08):
Yeah, it's not.
Speaker 4 (51:08):
It's not. I have no idea about the geography in Utah. Well,
i'll send you a photo. Brady, thank you.
Speaker 6 (51:14):
I gotta be fair. I don't know either me.
Speaker 4 (51:16):
Hey, make sure you're trying to fig your big head.
Your big head in there, right.
Speaker 6 (51:21):
We'll see if they let me on the plane with it,
they might make me check it.
Speaker 4 (51:25):
You big tongue ass.
Speaker 6 (51:28):
Act like your head's not big, Brady. Fine, I didn't
say it. Go look at the it's not true. It's
not true what they said.
Speaker 4 (51:35):
Hey, go to the bucket store. I get yourself a hat.
Speaker 6 (51:41):
They're a bucket store around here.
Speaker 4 (51:45):
I'll help you get your head dry.
Speaker 2 (51:54):
Get him on the hecks at the old put is
here on box Moort radio.
Speaker 6 (52:02):
Oh my gosh.
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