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September 25, 2025 39 mins

Jonas Knox, Brady Quinn, and LaVar Arrington preview Thursday Night Football and discuss the Seahawks' chances to win the NFC West. Did Jaxson Dart and Brian Daboll officially end Russell Wilson's career. Plus, we have a tush push-induced injury with the Eagles!

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Speaker 4 (01:36):
Morning morning? Good?

Speaker 5 (01:38):
Good morning?

Speaker 1 (01:39):
Yeah, everybody's upping at him, rocking and rolling here ye,
welcome to week four in the NFL.

Speaker 3 (01:47):
Everybody, welcome aboard. We are already here.

Speaker 1 (01:51):
We've got an NFC West battle coming up later on
tonight on Prime Video. You got the Seahawks, you got
the Cardinals. Seattle is a one and a half point favorite.
I'd like to call this the the Pretender Bowl because
neither of all of these teams, even though they're sitting
with winning records, is going to be a factor in
the NFC when it's all said and done.

Speaker 5 (02:13):
That's not true. That's not true.

Speaker 6 (02:16):
First off, you have to admit Seattle has exceeded our
expectations so far, right, Yeah, yeah, I mean I thought,
like new Oc, no Metcalf, no Lockett, you know, Donald
gets there. I'm kind of thinking that, all right, this
isn't set up for like anyone to you know, ball
out necessarily, and Sam Donald's played really well in particular

(02:37):
the past two weeks, and they've been able to figure
it out. I mean, they were the top five scoring
offense right now in the NFL, So give a lot
of credit where credits due. I know it's only a
few games in the season, but still they've exceed our expectations.
That defense looks nasty, and this is a team that
you can call them a a pretender. I think they're
a team that could be a spoiler for a lot

(02:58):
of teams. I don't know that the one being a
wildcard team. I think the Rams are the best team
of that division, and then probably sanfran after that. But
I think they could be a team that plays spiller.
There's no doubt.

Speaker 7 (03:11):
So far that's what they seem like they could be.
Both teams are two and one. I had the Arizona
Cardinals winning the NFC West that and.

Speaker 4 (03:22):
That still possibly could play out.

Speaker 7 (03:25):
I still think that all in all, I believe Arizona
is still much of the same team that they have
been in the past, that it's it's a fool's goal team.
As far as with Seattle, I'm not. I'm not quite
sure yet. I think their their team is too new,
as you mentioned, with the addition of Donald and uh,

(03:46):
you know obviously some of the guys that are coming
of age on on that team, on the different units.
I'm not sure what Seattle is. I believe they can
be a really really they could be a good team
this year, at least that's what it looks like right
now that they are trending up.

Speaker 4 (04:08):
But I don't know yet.

Speaker 7 (04:09):
They could be fools Gold as well.

Speaker 4 (04:13):
I just don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 7 (04:15):
If Sam Darnold can can be what he needs to
be and they continue to improve, then you know it'll
be interesting. But as for tonight, I think this makes
for still a very intriguing game because even though I
think as might be a fools goal team, I mean,
it's a divisional opponent and they're both winning right now,

(04:37):
they're both two and one, and so I would assume
it'll be an intense game because they're they're familiarity with
one another.

Speaker 3 (04:45):
Why is Arizona always a tease?

Speaker 4 (04:47):
Is it?

Speaker 3 (04:47):
Kyler Murray?

Speaker 4 (04:48):
It just seems like it, right, because.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
He makes plays and he scrambles and does stuff that
nobody else can do. I don't know if it was
the first week or he made a play in scram
and got out of trouble, and I'm like, maybe Lamar
Jackson's the other guy that could do that.

Speaker 7 (05:05):
But there's no way from him to it was that
that was against Sam France, I was against I think
it was. I think so it was because it was
a penn stater that chased him.

Speaker 4 (05:14):
It was Jay R.

Speaker 7 (05:15):
Brown that came off of the edge chased him and
he went, dude, oh yeah, we one day close. I'm
hitting the State College today right after the show. Are
you okay?

Speaker 5 (05:29):
Nice? I am?

Speaker 4 (05:30):
I am.

Speaker 7 (05:31):
You know, he looks like Super Mario when he speeds up,
like he looks really really.

Speaker 3 (05:38):
The small version. He hasn't had the mushroom yet.

Speaker 4 (05:41):
Yeah, I was.

Speaker 6 (05:42):
Gonna ask him, what does he look like when he
sits down there on a like, you know, the side
of a curve or something.

Speaker 7 (05:49):
He looks like the little Mario on the curve. But
when he was running just then, he looked like the
music was on.

Speaker 3 (05:56):
Check this out, Brady was telling me.

Speaker 1 (05:58):
Brady told me one time he walked saw Kyler Murray
sitting on a curb waiting for an uber and his
feet were dangling, and I don't know, I just I
don't know what he meant by that, but I thought
it was kind of insulting. I just I don't understand
why why we have to attack him.

Speaker 7 (06:13):
I will say though, while while not the most impressive
obviously opponents that they've played outside of maybe San fran
And I mean, the Panthers had a quality win this
past week, their.

Speaker 4 (06:31):
Defense seems to be holding up there into the bargain. Now.

Speaker 7 (06:34):
I don't know what they're going to do without Connor,
as you mentioned earlier in the week, and and they'll
have to figure out what their running attack looks like
because that's important to that that that Arizona team. But
if their defense can continue to keep scores low and
manage the offenses of the other team and give the
the Arizona offense more opportunities, uh, they could be a

(06:58):
team that, while I do believe they're not an elite
elite team might pick, could still be alive for for
the NFC West.

Speaker 4 (07:08):
They could possibly Arizona.

Speaker 7 (07:11):
They could still possibly their fools gold, because I think
the NFC West is fools gold, but I am.

Speaker 3 (07:19):
You don't think you don't think that. You don't think
the Rams got a shot. Maybe you think the.

Speaker 4 (07:23):
Rams are a pretty good team.

Speaker 7 (07:24):
I mean, at least they looked really good against against Philly.

Speaker 4 (07:29):
But I think their fool's goal too. The Rams believe
the whole NFC West could be fools goal. It's a
fool's gold division.

Speaker 3 (07:39):
The Rams.

Speaker 7 (07:39):
But you know what a lot of people are wearing
fools gold with these days, and it's it's very in
style and and it's it's like the trends, So you know,
it's a thing now, So maybe it's not so bad.

Speaker 1 (07:51):
The Rams seem like the team of anybody in that
division that would have a shot at competing for a
Super Bowl. Everybody else sort of feels like like the Niners.
I don't know, man, the Bo's injury, Kittle. It just
feels like at a certain point the ceiling just isn't
as high as ever as La and then Seattle. And

(08:12):
to what Brady was saying going into the year, yes,
the expectations were low. And I felt the same because
I looked at it and I said, how did this
team get better? You lost dk Metcalf and you basically
swapped Gino Smith for Sam Darnold. What's the difference other
than the obvious and suiting through a couple of games,

(08:32):
it's like, all right, well, probably wrong about that one.
And then Arizona, I'm the same. Like Kyler Murray's a
wild card. I love watching him play. I just don't
know whether or not that gets you to a playoff,
gets you to a playoff game, or gets you a
playoff win in the NFC. But I just look at
the Rams as the class of that division, and as
long as Matthew Stafford stays healthy, that's the best team

(08:55):
in the NFC West in my mind.

Speaker 4 (08:58):
Yeah, I just don't feel like that much.

Speaker 6 (09:01):
Yeah, well, I mean it's enough to get a playoff spot,
but I think the Rams are in totality that the
best team.

Speaker 5 (09:08):
It just all comes down to Stafford's health.

Speaker 6 (09:10):
But like in regards to tonight's game, I would have
thought that the Cardinals would have been further along. You know,
the Marvin Harrison junior in lack of his development, you know,
some of the drops that he's had that has been shocking.
I did not think that Marvid Harrison junior would come
into the league and struggle the way he has. You know,

(09:32):
it is just it really is shocking considering how good,
how dominant he was at the college level. And look,
I'm not saying that there's not more to think about,
but as a wide receiver in the NFL, I understand
the competition going against this better. But your job is
probably as similar to what you're asked to do in college.

Speaker 5 (09:55):
As it is in the NFL.

Speaker 6 (09:57):
Like if you go through every single position group, you know,
for the offensive line, I mean, again, your opponent's better,
But like even your scheme, what you're asked to do,
there's more protections, is a greater probably variety of screens.
There's different run blocking schemes. You know, there's some schools
that only have like just zone blocking. That's all they
do all they do, Like they don't have barely any

(10:18):
gap blocking schemes. You know, you get the NFL, there's
a like wide array of things they ask you to
do and you know to understand and learn.

Speaker 5 (10:28):
You know, running packs is that.

Speaker 4 (10:29):
A good thing?

Speaker 8 (10:30):
Like?

Speaker 7 (10:31):
Is that is that necessarily a good thing? That that
it expands to that that level, Like what's what's that?

Speaker 9 (10:38):
Like?

Speaker 7 (10:39):
Well, yeah, you know, it's also there's a couple of
like like listening to my child talk about Jim Knowles's defense.
It's a ton It's a ton, a ton, a ton
of defenses. Like at one point he was like, I
don't even understand why. I don't understand. Like, guy was like,

(11:01):
what do you mean? He's like that there's only four
quarters to a game. And when he said that, I
was like, dang, it must be a lot of information,
what like, what is the what's the reasoning behind the
such a large expansion of of what it is that
array of things that you're going to do well.

Speaker 5 (11:23):
I mean, I think you'd agree with this.

Speaker 6 (11:25):
You would like to be able to have the ability
to do whatever it requires, it, whatever it takes, right.
And I think that's what it comes down to, especially
as an offense, Like if you're out there and the
defense is doing something, whether it's they're running a front
that you didn't prepare for, hadn't practiced, you better be

(11:45):
able to adapt and adjust, you know there if someone else,
I mean look at for example, the Rams versus Patriots
the Super Bowl that Golf went to. They run a
barefront almost the entire game. It completely neutralized the run
game that you know, the Rams kind of came into
with because most teams change, you know, what run plays

(12:05):
they're going to run. Some online coaches don't feel comfortable
running certain plays versus a bear front, so it kind
of simplified what they were doing. It limited their run package,
which if you were recall that year, that was kind
of everything. Todd Gurley was phenomenal that year, right, and
that was like based on how everything was built off
of their outside zone running scheme Todd Gurley and then

(12:28):
play action, pass boots everything else. Well, once that was eliminated,
to kind of eliminate the rest of their offense. So
you'd like to be able to have a bunch of
different things you're doing. The general point I'm making though,
just to get back to this, is I look at
and I look at all these teams, and it's like,
I just feel the most confident in the Rams being
able to win in a variety of ways. You know,

(12:50):
San France so far, so far as showed that with
Mac Jones as there, you know, backup coming in from Perty.
But with these other two I'm not necessarily counting them out.
It's just it's too early to know like whether or not,
like Sam Darnol will sustain this, you know, whether or not.

Speaker 5 (13:06):
You know, Kyler Murray and the Cardinals will continue to
grow from where they're at.

Speaker 6 (13:10):
I just thought Marvin Harrison would play a much bigger
factor into the Cardinals and.

Speaker 5 (13:15):
Their success than he has so far.

Speaker 6 (13:17):
And maybe all the things they're asking him to do
from a round justin standpoint, you know, is a big jump.
But again, like Brian Harline is one of the best
coaches in college football.

Speaker 5 (13:27):
It's just really shocking that he has not made the
transition I thought he was going to.

Speaker 1 (13:32):
It feels like a mecha BUCA through three weeks has
had more of an impact in the NFL than Marvin
Harrison Junior as in a year plus.

Speaker 5 (13:40):
Which is wild, wild to say, but also not wrong.

Speaker 7 (13:46):
Yeah, that's he had a big drop last week. Boy,
big drop.

Speaker 4 (13:51):
He was a boy.

Speaker 7 (13:52):
I mean he was going to walk into the end
zone if he caught the ball. I mean he was
all about himself. Speaking of Marvin Harrison Junior, Boy, big drop,
big old drop.

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be all right, Son, by the way, Braid Dumper, by
the way, Brady, I don't know if you've been taking
a peek at your Guardians and the absolute gag job
that the Detroit Tigers should put on in that division.

Speaker 5 (17:52):
Oh you're gonna put it.

Speaker 6 (17:54):
I can just say the fact that Guardians are coming back.
We used to say tribe time now, Yeah, tribe time.

Speaker 1 (17:59):
Now, and Detroit's completely unraveling. I think they had like
a thirteen to fourteen game lead, and now Cleveland's got
a one game lead in the division total.

Speaker 5 (18:08):
That's right, baby, that's right, baby time.

Speaker 6 (18:11):
For all you Cleveland fans who remember it before it
became the flipping Guardians.

Speaker 5 (18:16):
Hell, yeah, you should say tribe time now. It's our time, baby.

Speaker 7 (18:20):
Cleveland is anywhere I'm from?

Speaker 4 (18:26):
What exactly.

Speaker 5 (18:32):
A bone thugs?

Speaker 4 (18:33):
Yeah? Bone thugs? You know bone bone bom bom bom
boom damn me? What chi gonad?

Speaker 5 (18:42):
What are nowhere for you to? Does Pittsburgh have any
actual groups? Not that weird terrible stuff you played from DC?

Speaker 7 (18:49):
I mean, there you go, we got Shawnee, we actually opened.

Speaker 1 (18:56):
You.

Speaker 4 (18:56):
Remember your smile? Yeah, that's get out of here, Doug.
I actually like I love somebody smile geez.

Speaker 5 (19:09):
I like that song. It's a good song. J Bro, Wait,
what's the name.

Speaker 4 (19:17):
Yesterday? What are you gonna say? You're just an interesting dude?
You know you're ballads every time.

Speaker 7 (19:28):
Bro.

Speaker 4 (19:28):
You don't choose peace, you choose hate.

Speaker 6 (19:31):
Man, I just feel like Pittsburgh's got Do you feel
you still feel like he's just plump and full, like
ready to burst at any point?

Speaker 5 (19:38):
If it feels like that a little bit.

Speaker 4 (19:39):
With absolutely now absolutely.

Speaker 3 (19:43):
I'll tell you what though, whoever to Wendy out there, whoever.

Speaker 1 (19:46):
At the studio uh thermometer or thermostat up to seventy
eight degrees should be arrested and assaulted on their way
taking to jail.

Speaker 3 (19:57):
First, did you did did you feel that when you
walked in here. What a yes, what are we doing?
Is it a sauna in there? Oh? Yeah, I had
to turn it all the way down. I'm a vampire.
You can't have that.

Speaker 5 (20:07):
I bet ray ray turned out. I guarantee you she
turned it up.

Speaker 7 (20:10):
He is a little up, for sure, my old spicy Hey,
you don't want you don't want it. You don't want
that heat up in there either, brou because I'm sure
that'll make some some varmints and and stuff like that
comfortable enough to come out of where they're hiding.

Speaker 3 (20:25):
I don't know why it has smelled better in here lately.
Oh boy, oh boy, wow, I'm not touching that hard
right hand by Peterson.

Speaker 5 (20:37):
What well with that?

Speaker 3 (20:41):
Said the New York Giants, Oh they have, they have
fat smelling.

Speaker 4 (20:47):
Uh they have.

Speaker 1 (20:48):
They have found the long term plan, and the long
term plan at quarterback is Jackson Dart. They're not playing
Wilson's anymore. They're playing darts. And Brian day Ball, the
head coach of the Giants, explained his decision yesterday.

Speaker 9 (21:03):
I met both with Russ yesterday and Jackson privately, and
Russ was nothing but a pro which I expect them
to be. It's my decision. We're going with Jackson. We're
gonna get him ready to play this week and the
remainder of the season. He's going to do everything he can.
Russe will be the backup. It's my decision, and we're

(21:23):
going with Jackson.

Speaker 4 (21:24):
There you go the car long term, he was a
pro in the meeting, but he cried in the car.

Speaker 5 (21:32):
No, man, he's you know, he's he's such a good dude.

Speaker 4 (21:37):
Everyone gives number that home and I'm just saying, I
cracked in the car Tuesday.

Speaker 6 (21:41):
Tuesday, he was at at the children's hospital visiting sick kids,
and that's when, obviously, you know, this is all I
started to kind of make waves that it was coming out,
and I just you know, that's one of the things
I respect most about Russell is even during one of
the hardest times of his career as public figure, where
he is the punching bag for everyone out there, he's

(22:05):
still trying to bring joy to kids who, in some cases,
you know, may not ever really be able to live
the life that they had hoped to live.

Speaker 5 (22:13):
So I know, I'm trying to bring down the moment
to some seriousness.

Speaker 4 (22:16):
But definitely.

Speaker 5 (22:20):
Ready and guess what, I don't.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
Care how many of those kids care, how many those
kids were like killed, how many those kids are like, hey,
get Jackson.

Speaker 3 (22:27):
In here, who want the starter?

Speaker 6 (22:31):
What you send in the back of which which which
again like it's it's it's funny to make it's it's
great to make fun of it again making the punching bags.

Speaker 5 (22:38):
But these are kids who are terminally ill. These are
kids who like may never get out, you.

Speaker 6 (22:41):
Know, And so like that's the thing is, like he's
he's the punching bag for everyone else, meaningwhile he's trying
to bring a little bit of like light to all
these other young kids, and he's mad enough to go
out and do.

Speaker 5 (22:53):
It despite the fact that like his career is not
going the way he wants it to. So I'm sure
he handled it like a pro.

Speaker 6 (23:00):
Kudos to him. And you know, if people want to
make fun of him, they can make fun of him
about it. But he's more of a man than most
because I don't know anyone who I mean, Jonas won't
even leave a wall at a National Championship game between
Georgia and TCU to talk to people.

Speaker 5 (23:14):
I can't imagine.

Speaker 6 (23:15):
I can't imagine if he was going through what like
one of our cast members who's not a part of
the show right now is going through he would stand
up and go out in public and et cetera, et cetera.

Speaker 3 (23:24):
So I mean, if there were kids there would sorry, yeah,
well that.

Speaker 5 (23:28):
Sounds a little creepy now the way you're saying.

Speaker 4 (23:31):
But I don't know, Jonahs, have you ever done charity work?

Speaker 12 (23:36):
Meaning what like answers? No, I mean I know your
wife did, but have you ever done what's that mean?
She's with you, buddy, that's the chick you miss that?

Speaker 3 (23:50):
No, no, no, no, I got that.

Speaker 4 (23:52):
I got that.

Speaker 3 (23:52):
I didn't I didn't know you were going to be
so hot and bothered this morning over have you?

Speaker 5 (23:59):
I didn't make the Have you ever need to be
sensitive a movie?

Speaker 1 (24:02):
Well, I don't know why Brady's so sensitive about the
Russell Wilson topic.

Speaker 6 (24:05):
I'm not being sensitive about it. I'm just saying, like, well,
first off, here's the thing is, no one would know
what this is like more than me on this show.
All right, I've been benched, I've been talked to and
just had this discussion behind the scenes I'd had in
Cleveland with Brian Dabell, had in Kansas City with Brian Dable.
So trust me, like I've been through this scenario what
it sounds like, both publicly and behind the scenes, and

(24:27):
the reality is they're an ozer and three football team
and they're trying to make a change, to make.

Speaker 4 (24:31):
A spark like that. That's what they didn't even pick them.

Speaker 7 (24:35):
You did not even pick them out of two New
York teams that are struggling. You, my friend, did not
even pick the New York chance. I do not want
to hear this soapbox self righteous discussion about dat dang
Russell Wilson washed.

Speaker 3 (24:50):
Look at their schedule, he's washed, and you know what,
so hard of New Well.

Speaker 6 (24:53):
I think it would be tough, Giants, It would be
tough for anyone to go in and turn that around.
Right now, they're just not where they need to be
and it's gonna be tough to turn around. To Jonah's point,
look at their schedule, it's a much tougher schedule.

Speaker 1 (25:07):
I do wonder this about Russ though, I don't what
do you want? Well, I don't think he's washed, like
when I watch him play on.

Speaker 4 (25:13):
You think he is.

Speaker 5 (25:14):
He's like a spiffy clean I just through for four
and fifty yards like two weeks ago.

Speaker 1 (25:19):
I just think that he's been in situations where either
he's been the scapegoat or they've wanted to try and
hand the keys over to a younger player. He's just
been in like bad spots, and I don't know that
there are other spots for him. But it's almost like Weburg.

Speaker 4 (25:34):
That's not what it was in Pittsburgh. They gave him
that job.

Speaker 7 (25:38):
In Pittsburgh, there wasn't ay they I mean, Justin Fields
was out there, but that was because Russ couldn't be
out there. I wasn't because they benched him, and then
the first chance they got they put him back in.

Speaker 4 (25:48):
So I don't I don't know that that's an accurate.

Speaker 7 (25:51):
And accurate narrative of Russell Wilson's latest situations that he's
dealing with.

Speaker 4 (25:57):
I don't know that to be true.

Speaker 1 (25:59):
Could you find a would you take Russell Wilson? Could
you find a spot for him in the NFL that
you say that team starting quarterback, I'll take Russ over
that team starting quarterback.

Speaker 5 (26:09):
If you say, I mean that's one team, I think
you take him in Miami? Would you not?

Speaker 7 (26:18):
I wouldn't I take a chance with Tua. If I'm
putting Russell Wilson in, I take a chance with with
Tua just because I paid him and and I'm gonna
get my money's.

Speaker 4 (26:29):
Worth out of that. I just now the same Sames.
That seems kind of interesting.

Speaker 1 (26:35):
I take him in Minnesota. I would take him in
Minnesota over both Carson and J. J. McCarthy.

Speaker 4 (26:42):
No, oh yeah, I wouldn't do that.

Speaker 7 (26:49):
The Saints might be the only one that really makes sense,
and that's just because they just really bad without a quarterback.

Speaker 3 (26:56):
What about what about Tennessee? No, you would take him
over cam Ward?

Speaker 4 (27:02):
Nope, Let cam learn, Let him make them the mistakes,
let him learn. That's what number one overall.

Speaker 1 (27:08):
But it just feels like he doesn't. There's not a
spot for him, which sucks, and and there should be
because that.

Speaker 4 (27:15):
Is a spot for him. What do you mean on
a team he's the backup.

Speaker 3 (27:19):
Yeah, but he didn't go there to be a backup.

Speaker 7 (27:22):
There's nothing wrong, Like I don't understand this whole thing,
Like you're a failure because you're a backup. Come on,
the dude has been to two Super Bowls, he won one.
I mean, he's he's he's a backup.

Speaker 4 (27:38):
That's what he is.

Speaker 7 (27:40):
He's a backup. He threw fo a lot of yards
against who who was that they ended up losing?

Speaker 5 (27:45):
And and was that your Dallas Cowboys?

Speaker 4 (27:48):
Cowboys?

Speaker 5 (27:48):
Your Cowboys?

Speaker 7 (27:49):
I mean, the dude can still obviously serve up some plays.
But it's over, Johnny, It's it's finished.

Speaker 4 (28:00):
Put him in a body bag.

Speaker 7 (28:02):
He's a backup, and it's okay, it's okay, But why
are you trying to make him something that he's not.

Speaker 4 (28:09):
He's not a starter anymore. You're sorry.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
What's your problem with Russ?

Speaker 4 (28:13):
I don't have a problem with Rush.

Speaker 7 (28:16):
Like he goes to see the kids, you and he's
a great role model, he's a man of God like,
he's a man of faith. I have no problem with
I don't even know Russell Wilson, never met him the
day of my life. Don't know who he is outside
of him as a football player. I have no problem
with Rush. You know what I have a problem with
when we try to force feed somebody to be a

(28:36):
starter when their career pattern and path has led to
them being a backups.

Speaker 6 (28:43):
Here's what I find most interesting about this is, well, no,
you're you're saying he's a backup now, which he is.
He's been demoted. We haven't seen Jackson Dard do anything yet.
Like you're assuming he's gonna go in and give them
a better level of play?

Speaker 4 (28:59):
Well, who were assim going to give me more? I'm
not assuming that. I said, Well, we don't know.

Speaker 6 (29:06):
But here's what I'm saying. You just said, what's wrong.
We don't know that he's not gonna give them more.
We haven't seen Jackson Darty yet. So until we see
Jackson Dart, we don't know how to compare between the two.

Speaker 4 (29:17):
I'm not trying to compare. I'm just telling you that's what.

Speaker 5 (29:20):
That's what the Giants.

Speaker 7 (29:21):
Russell Wilson is the backup. Do you think I don't
care where he goes, he's going to be the back end.
Do you think it's okay? I'll put it this way.
I'll put it this way.

Speaker 6 (29:31):
I'll ask both of you guys this as Russell Wilson
played the last snap that will play this year for the.

Speaker 3 (29:35):
Giants barring injury.

Speaker 7 (29:39):
Yes, no, no, no, no, I'm saying I don't even
know even if there's an injury, I don't know that
he goes back in.

Speaker 5 (29:46):
All right, I don't think he's saying I don't say
his last snap.

Speaker 4 (29:50):
I'm gonna say yes he has. Okay, I'm gonna say yes,
I don't think he has.

Speaker 7 (29:57):
You're more likely to get struck by lightning walking out
your front door today. Then Russell Wilson is to start
as the New York Giants quarterback again this season.

Speaker 4 (30:08):
I know what this is.

Speaker 6 (30:09):
You know there's a lot of like black on black
crime with LeVar can't like, there's a lot of.

Speaker 4 (30:16):
I can't stand LeVar. I love me some LeVar. What
you mean, No, you can't stand.

Speaker 7 (30:23):
Tiger LeVar, Like tiger is not black, Tiger is other.
Like that's not LeVar. LeVar said that does not count
as black on black crown. And in fact, Var hates
my phone because Russell Wilson.

Speaker 4 (30:36):
I mean, he's not.

Speaker 5 (30:38):
My case for my phone.

Speaker 3 (30:40):
Like it's like, get that case out of here.

Speaker 5 (30:43):
So get yourself a white case.

Speaker 4 (30:45):
Y'all tripped out? Man, y'all trying to turn this into
like racial thing.

Speaker 5 (30:48):
It's not all right?

Speaker 4 (30:49):
Can I ask you this about it?

Speaker 5 (30:50):
I'm just observ.

Speaker 7 (30:54):
Y'all the biggest hater haters ever in the moment, I
have a moment y'all want to start.

Speaker 4 (31:00):
Man, that's what y'all do though, That's that's what y'all do.

Speaker 5 (31:04):
You guys don't like BB hat on cal.

Speaker 4 (31:12):
BB.

Speaker 3 (31:14):
So can I let me ask you guys this.

Speaker 1 (31:16):
Do you think that if Brian dave Ball was in
his first year as Giants head coach, he would have
made the switch by now?

Speaker 3 (31:22):
I don't think so, because I I think this has
everything to do with him.

Speaker 5 (31:26):
Really, I don't know. I knew, I knew day Ball
very early on. I think he would have been more
have to make the switch.

Speaker 6 (31:34):
I think he's actually yeah, I think he's actually mellowed
and matured in that sense of how he's handling, you know,
things and adversity specifically. So yeah, I think early on
he probably would have made it.

Speaker 5 (31:48):
After like one So this is this is you know,
you gave it three three games.

Speaker 6 (31:56):
I think after Dallas you're like, all right, he's playing
well enough besides the one decision, and then this past
week is like all right, it's it feels like it's time.
And that's the reality of it is the kid had
a great preseason. Let's put him in and see what
he's got. But like I said before, I've been through
this personally, Like, I don't think it's the last snap
that Russell Wilson takes this year.

Speaker 7 (32:18):
I just think it's unfortunate for russ And in this
scenario because it is a it's just not a good team.

Speaker 4 (32:28):
It's just not a good team.

Speaker 7 (32:29):
And you're you're rounding that corner of heading into being
zero to four because I do not even at home
see them defeating the Chargers this weekend. They gotta wait
until the Saints and they got to go into New Orleans,
And like I said, it's not a given that you
could go in and win in New Orleans. Even if

(32:50):
you're looking at it as how bad, how to how
bad this team is and can be the New Orleans
Saints that might be their win. Like that's about it.
That's how I see it. I mean, then they got
the Eagles, after that, the Broncos, the Eagles. Again, it's
not like you guys talked about with the scheduling, it's
not a schedule that is a forgiving schedule. So if

(33:13):
you're zero to three to start out with, you might
as well start the development of Jackson dark even if
even if even if you're eventually going to possibly lose
your job. You said you don't feel like it's a
lose your job type of scenario. I tend to think
it is. I feel like this is like that final

(33:33):
season to be a poor team, and whether it's his
fault or not, whether it's on the blame of something
else as to why this Giants team is continuing to underperform.
I just think that the time has run out on
us Russell Wilson, But the time is also running out
on on day Ball as a head coach of this team,

(33:55):
So why not why not see.

Speaker 4 (33:57):
If you can switch it up?

Speaker 7 (34:00):
I see if Jackson Dark can give you any type
of hope or feeling that maybe we do continue on
with day ball, maybe we do try to give it
a little bit more time. Because you can't make that
argument if you're keeping Russell Wilson in as you're starting
quarterback and possibly continuing to have the same results that
you've had through three games so far.

Speaker 6 (34:21):
I think the problem with that, and I understand what
you're saying because everyone always says this when a team
drafts a rookie quarterback and there's an expectation to play
the problem is is people think that it's gonna save
the head coach's job.

Speaker 5 (34:36):
And it never works out that way. It never does.

Speaker 6 (34:40):
When there's a coach that's on the hot seat or
there's pressure on them coming into the season and they
make this move, it doesn't matter. Unless that quarterback equates
to a bunch of wins, it usually ends up with
them getting fired. I mean, if I'm not mistaken, go
back to was it Mitchell Trubisky?

Speaker 3 (34:58):
Oh yeah, John Fox?

Speaker 6 (35:00):
I mean John Fox put him in and that was
the that was the whole expectation. Still got fired at
the end of that year. Right then comes in Matt
Naggy Like it's there's there's other examples of that too,
where that the change is made and the thought is, well,
coaches on the hot.

Speaker 5 (35:15):
Seat, it'll help save and it will help give him
another year.

Speaker 6 (35:18):
No, most owners look at it and they actually end
up saying, we need to bring in someone who we
feel like can develop this guy because the guy who's
currently here now we just witnessed that and he can't.

Speaker 3 (35:29):
Drake May last year.

Speaker 5 (35:31):
Drake May is another example that I could I could
give you a long list.

Speaker 6 (35:35):
I mean, you know, you could, you could go on
down whoever it's been, but it's it's just that that
logic usually never in reality equates to a coach saving
their job. Like, I think ownership's gonna make that decision regardless,
and I think they're gonna separate the two.

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Speaker 5 (36:32):
Good song coming on.

Speaker 4 (36:34):
At sports sports events all the time.

Speaker 5 (36:37):
Yeah, do they really?

Speaker 4 (36:39):
Yeah, like a basketball games and stuff like that. They
played us all and then they kind of sell on
the mont it. Well, they put you on the cam
Like it's like a smell, like smile into the cam.

Speaker 5 (36:49):
You know, yeah, I get that.

Speaker 6 (36:50):
Okay, wm me wait did I'd say I had a
high school team that I grew up with. He used
to make music for, like in arena NBA games. Real, yeah,
always get shocked by it.

Speaker 4 (37:03):
It was.

Speaker 5 (37:03):
It was like a really cool revelation.

Speaker 6 (37:06):
Once someone like told me They're like, oh yeah, this
is this is Ben's song. I was like, really, it's
pretty sweet.

Speaker 3 (37:11):
It's a cool gig.

Speaker 1 (37:13):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (37:13):
Yeah. I think it just just depends though, by the way,
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Speaker 1 (38:08):
That we turn it over to our executive producer for today. Yeah, dude,
Brian Berschinger.

Speaker 13 (38:12):
Oh, good morning, guys. Uh, it is official. The tush
push is dangerous and it causes harm to players. This
is after Eagles reporter Jeff McLain reported that Lane Johnson
suffered a stinger on the eagles first tush push of
their opening series versus the Rams last Sunday. It is

(38:32):
the first notable injury the Eagles I've had executing the play.
As Johnson told him after the game, though, he's trending
towards being at right tackle versus the Bucks on Sunday.

Speaker 4 (38:41):
Here you go, Brady, that's soft talk, right, Brady, get.

Speaker 5 (38:46):
Out of the play. That's how they're gonna get out
of the player.

Speaker 4 (38:52):
That's what you're going to use. You're going to cite
a stinger as the way.

Speaker 5 (38:58):
You're going to back their way right out of this.
They'd be like, Oh, it's it's not safe, it's not
healthy with us.

Speaker 4 (39:03):
I'm telling you her report.

Speaker 5 (39:05):
I'm telling you I wouldn't be shocked.

Speaker 6 (39:07):
If you really want to go into a conspiracy theory
about this. I bet the NFL would think about paying
off a player just to go in and act like
he has a Colley one in which we're like, they
take him off on the stretcher and he puts the
thumb up and they just towards the right.

Speaker 5 (39:27):
Back down and he's like, no, I'm not good. I'm
not gonna make it. I'm not good. And then they're like,
outlaw the play, get it out of here, get it out.

Speaker 7 (39:35):
Better than reporting beginning of the end. Bar gotta get
rid of the play. Why cause he got a stinger? Oh,
use some toilet paper,
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