October 27, 2025 • 41 mins
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two Pros FSR and subscribe. Man, it wasn't even that
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long ago that Brian Kelly.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
I ain't none me my family, I'm winning you.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Was taking victory laps and sideswiping Davos Sweeney after their
Week one when in Clemson's Death Valley, and now just
butt it of two months later, less than two months later,
that'll do it. Brian Kelly has been fired by LSU.
Apparently they're still working through how to figure out his
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fifty four million dollar buyout. But Brian Kelly and his
run at LSU has come to an end. And for
all the talk and all the gusto and everything that
he threw out there over the past couple of years,
probably not the way I think a lot of LSU
fans thought this is gonna play out because they got
their ass whooped my Texas A and M over the weekend.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
Well, first off, like both both these things can be true.
The first is Texas and m is a really good
football team. Mike Elko, who is a former defensive assistant
under Brian Kelly while on Notre Dame, is a.
Speaker 5 (02:17):
Hell of a football coach.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
And I'll say this right now, Marcel Reid, their quarterback,
is a player that I've watched every week and that
young man has continued to improve. He should be If
you want to place a long bit on the Heisman,
like I'd throw his name right now in the ring.
He should be able to get some good odds because
they're going to play a little more difficult schedule the
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rest of the way, but they he's gonna be a
guy that's draft eligible, and from watching what I see
in him, like he'd be a guy that I would
say could be a first round pick. I mean, he's
got all the talent and skill. It just comes down
to like development and taking that next step. And from
last year, this year he's done that. I mean his
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McKay annex's full work, Like everything's been much improved. So
Marcel reads a guy that like I'm keeping an eye
on for the rest of season, but also to see
what he does after this year, because I think he's
got a great chance of being one of the top
quarterbacks taken just on the field in comparison to like
Garret Nussmeyer, who look behind the scenes. When I talked
to like different talent evaluators, everyone was like afraid to
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say it publicly, but they kind of like gushed about him.
They loved nus Marcel read, hands down outplayed him. It
wasn't even close, Like wasn't even close. This past week.
So if that gives you any indication of what is
going to happen in the draft next year, I would
say this draft is by the way as open as
it's ever been for like, who potentially could be that
number one overall pick right now?
Speaker 1 (03:44):
I just think that it is a very, very volatile
time to be a coach at the college level at
a major university with a large contract. It's a it's
a it's a volatile time, and it's it's a unsettling
time because in il transfer portal, all of these elements,
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added extra elements of being able to pay players players
being able to transfer, is now turning into a job
that I don't I don't believe. I don't believe that
most of the coaches in the coaching industry have been
properly trained or equipped on being able to I don't
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know how you could be properly trained and equipped to
be able to handle where we are right now, so
to be able to get a team to play well,
play at a high level, stick together from season to season.
You know, these are these are the pressures that that
these coaches are facing these days, and you're starting to
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see those cracks show you know, you're starting to you're
starting to see a lot of the characteristics of what
comes with when it's pay for play, and that's how
I see it.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
I think with Brian Kelly it was different because, like
you did, the impression that like he made when he
first got there, right, and everyone kind of thought that
was cringe. It really like he's trying to be someone
he's not and he's almost like got this imposter syndrome.
And then as you saw, I mean, at least early on,
they were kind of close, but they could never quite
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get over the hump to win the SEC or to
get in the college Football Playoff. And one of the
things that a lot of Notre Dame fans witnessed and saws,
they always felt like there was more room for him
to do more in recruiting and all that. Morgus Freeman
has without a doubt proven that since he's taken over
as head coach, with the way he's grinded, the way
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he's recruitered and built.
Speaker 5 (05:45):
That roster at Notre Dame.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
For Brian Kelly, it's actually been the exact opposite of
what I think LSU fans were getting. Not only did
it not get enough wins in the win column in
comparison to ed Orgeron or Been less Miles in their
first four years. But also if you look at the
recruiting rankings, like they've they've legitimately had taken a step back.
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If you go through the first four years of Brian
Kelly's recruiting tenure or I guess it's four years he's
it was at LSU, they were averaging about eight point
five as far as their team recruiting ranks. It's for
high school student athletes. And again it's you can't use
ANIO in the transfer portal because obviously ed Orgeron less
Miles didn't have them.
Speaker 5 (06:29):
But ed Oseron was averaged about six.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
You know, that was usual where his class was not higher,
and in fact he had classes that were in the
top five over the like those six years, in four
of the six so they were actually above that. They
only had really one down year less Miles his last
six years he averaged a little it was like a
little over seven, but same thing, he averaged more often
than not a class that was like in the top six.
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You know, half that time, Brian Kelly's only had one
top five class in the four years he's been in
there now. His transfer portal class was the best of
any this offseason. But I'm always a leery of like
throwing that out there sometimes because it doesn't necessarily always
equate to wins. It just means you bought enough players
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who are talented enough and have been proven enough. But
you know, obviously the team they're leaving either doesn't have
the funds to keep them or they don't want to
pay them to keep them. Like, let's be real about that.
Some of these teams are okay letting go of players.
They're asking for these astronomical numbers, where other teams are saying, like,
we'll take that. That's a dire need for us. And
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we see this happen all the time in the NFL
and free agency. Teams let a player go, someone else
overpays and the guy might have a good year or two,
but he never usually equates to that contract. And that's
what you're seeing at the college football level. That's what
you're seeing from you know, LSU this year. Now, the
great of their defense has been improved from what it
was a year ago. They got awful last year, but
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it hasn't equated to them being a better team. And
so to the point about money, Like, what I find
most interesting in that I've you know, talking to some
different coaches and guys who have different feelings on this is,
you know, Philip Foehmer signed the first deal that was
like a million bucks per year to go coach at Tennessee.
And I bet if you did a study on the
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timeline now for college football coaches since that point and
you did the twenty years thirty years prior, you probably
saw a lot more turnover because I think with these
guys being paid more money, there's more there's higher expectations,
and with those higher expectations when when things don't work out,
especially early on or when you've got you know, this
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imposter syndrome where he says, you know, something weird like that,
or he's dancing with the recruit that he doesn't end
up even signing, or he's chewing out his players, or he's.
Speaker 5 (08:53):
Getting kg with the media.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
Like there's so many things that Brian Kelly has done
over his time at LSU that let him not to
be likable, like as a notre dame, a lum and
fan obviously, and someone who is the day he literally
left to say he could go win championships elsewhere and
started a collective like in twenty four hours after that. Like,
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the one thing I'd say that is the starkest contrast
between Marcus Fraan and Brian Kelly is Marcus is incredibly likable.
He's genuine and likable. Brian Kelly hasn't comed off as
either of those at any point, neither genuine or likable.
And I think when you don't have the success on
the field and you obviously don't want to work at
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it and recruit the way your predecessors have or even
the guy who replaced you, a notre dame has, it
becomes really revealing. LSU is not devoid of talent. Neuss
Meyer can play. They've got talent on that team. There's
no doubt about it. They'll have some first round picks.
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The head coach was problem m.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Yeah, they struggling in Boulder too. I wonder how that
that's that's gonna go. I just I just think that
this this coaching world we're in right now at the
college level is going. You're and you're right, it is going.
It is about how the guy is perceived. Like Marcus
Freeman is is a likable guy. He does check off
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the boxes. Good looking dude, speaks well, played the game,
you know, has has all the the attributes, has a
good looking family. He he stays in shape. Like it's
crazy to think all these little things matter moving forward.
You can't be a fat, slobbingly looking guy. And and
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when like I know, Elko is like on that borderline
of I'm sad, damn, but you had better. You had
better have a superpower if you're not checking off some
of the obvious, some of the obvious things that are
on the checklist of being a college coach, had a
major blue chip and you know, superpower in football.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
And the problem for Brian, Kelly and Brady alluded to
it was if you think about his tenure at LSU,
you don't think about any of the big wins, You
think about the fake Cajun accent, you think about the
outbursts going after Davos Swiney, just like none of it
is on the field and none of it is performance based.
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He just comes across really unlikable, Like he's a really
unlikable guy. And that's why, you know LSU fans were
chanting it, and you know he's four years in. It's
not like he didn't win games. It's just he didn't
live up to the expectations that were there. And when
he came in, there was all this conversation the yeah,
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the video with the recruit like, it's just the whole
thing was odd and it never seemed like And that's
why I under was it just a money thing that
he left Notre Dame. Was there talk about Notre Dame
wanting to split with Brian Kelly or was it just
him simply seeing a better offer and he wanted to
jump ship and go get more money?
Speaker 5 (12:11):
All right?
Speaker 4 (12:12):
So one of the things that I think becomes wearing
for athletic directors.
Speaker 5 (12:17):
And this is just my general observation of what I
see in this space.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
This is not like specific to any university or any
athletic director, but there's been a power shift in this
NIL era because.
Speaker 5 (12:33):
The the you know, the board of regents or whatever.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
Prominent alum who's got the deep pockets that's bank rolling
usually the collective or how this is operating.
Speaker 5 (12:45):
You know, they're in essence kind of controlling the whole thing.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
Right, They're the guy who's going to buy out the
coach or write the biggest check if they're trying to
buy out that coach. They're the guy that's going to
write the check to go find that top player they
need or retain a place player if they're trying to leave.
And so it's almost bypassed now the athletic director, who's
the guy who's in the position to oversee a coach
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that's making five times what he's making. Like the entire
process is flipped.
Speaker 5 (13:17):
You know.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
When you look at the structure of an NFL organization,
usually the general manager and the head coach are somewhat
on even footing, you know, and maybe that's not going
to be so much the case of what the coach
is being paid or compensated, but it's not that far off.
Speaker 5 (13:34):
There is a huge.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
Contrast between what the athletic director is being compensated and
then what the head coach is being compensated for some
of these top programs now, and the problem that creates
is is as long as that deep pocketed donor, as
long as he's got you know, the head coach has
his ear, it's really all that matters. Because that athletic
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director is not going to bite the hand that feeds him,
and that's that that's that alum. So like I look
at it in this case and I just I sit
there and say, if you look at a bunch of
the different circumstances that have happened, it's oftentimes out of these,
you know, whoever that alum is, whoever that donor is,
that's essentially calling the shots and saying.
Speaker 5 (14:19):
Nope, we're done.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
Like this got to the point at LSU where the
governor of the state of Louisiana was involved.
Speaker 5 (14:29):
Think about that for a second.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
Like You've got the governor of the state of Louisiana
as involved in the in the firing of a head
coach in college football.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
The state employee, Right, So l s U is a
public school, correct it is? Yeah, and then that's that's
that's the that's probably their hide employee for the employee.
Speaker 5 (14:52):
But that's a typical you don't hear about that very often.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
And and that's what makes it kind of unique, is
like there's obviously a lot of again deep pocketed donors
and a lums who wanted this to happen. They didn't
want to watch whatever is going to occur in Alabama.
What in a couple of weeks when they've got to
play him, they wanted him out now, and they want
to start that process. It's going to be a competitive process.
You have Penn State, You've got Florida. You know some
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are gonna you know, argue and jockey over will what's
the better job? Right, Lane Kiffin just keeps sitting there
winning a whole miss and he looks.
Speaker 5 (15:25):
Newer and better looking, and he does.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
I think it's Tan's gotten better, his teeth got wider, Like,
he just keeps looking better and better right the longer
this whole thing plays on.
Speaker 5 (15:37):
And the interesting thing.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
About that, ye hey, you look good to me. I
ain't just saying geez.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
I just think that's the biggest change right now in
college football that no one wants to really acknowledge is
the person with the most power is someone who is
not even necessarily operating within the confines of these this
college structure.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
And that's just the truth.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
Like it's the deep pocketed donor someone on the outside
is running a business, has a ton of money that
loves his school and wants to see them succeed.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
And that's ultimately who's controlling it. Now.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
We can say the athletic directors running the search firm
and all this stuff and it's you know, connecting the few.
But you better go get that guy to check off
the box of whoever you're gonna hire, otherwise you're not
getting that check.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
I think that this next round of coaches that will
eventually circulate through all of these schools, I don't think
anyone is safe. If you're in the SEC and you're
in the Big ten, I don't think any coach is safe.
And I don't know how how long some of these
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coaches will be in pockety.
Speaker 4 (16:54):
Think about like Michigan State, melt Tucker signed a huge deal,
right what Jonathan Smith get paid to go there, and
they're talking about he's maybe not gonna make it. I
mean now, no, granted, that's kind of the going great
or price. And what's crazy about this is if you're
a really good football coach and you're at any one
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of these schools, you're getting paid more because everyone's trying
to poach you in every universe. He has to sit
there and be like, well, we got to pay him more.
So when you go back to like what happened with
Brian Kelly every single year, it becomes really difficult for
that athletic director because if you're a good football.
Speaker 5 (17:34):
Coach and you're one of the top programs.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
The NFL is gonna come after you, other college program's
gonna come after you. So what do you think that
agent's doing for his coach. He's saying, hey, man, they
want to pay him this. I want to pay him this.
So as an athletic direct, you're gonna go back to
the donor. You're gonna go back to the school and say,
we got to pay more. We got to pay more.
Every year, every year there's someone coming after him, whether
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it's from above or level playing field in that league,
like someone's trying to pay him more. That gets wearing.
I mean after a while too, you kind of have
to look at it and say, like, all right, like
where are we at? And you know, could we find
someone who we feel like could do an equal, if
not better job. And in regards to Brian Kelly and
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you know, Lincoln Riley, we talked about this. They both
had the same agent at the time. I don't think
Lincoln Riley's represented by Trace Armstrong anymore. But you know,
those deals were kind of set in place and they
kind of swapped and they ended up Boere they ended
up and I don't know that Southern calor LSU was
happy with what they signed up for, what they're paying.
You know, obviously LSU is not, but what Southern Cal's paying,
even Lincoln Riley and what they're getting out of that,
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they got.
Speaker 5 (18:40):
A tough one. This figures versus Nebraska.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
They're favorited, but it's been actually a crazy spot where
you know, when when Lincoln Riley's been favored as a
s C, you know.
Speaker 5 (18:51):
They've struggled on the road. I think like he's.
Speaker 4 (18:54):
Won like three times or whatever, or I should say
covered like three times, and I think two of those
versus U see a at the Rose Bowl, like I mean,
so I think they're laying they're laying seven points right
now and they're playing in Lincoln this week.
Speaker 5 (19:07):
Has it been a good spot for him?
Speaker 1 (19:10):
I just think it creates such a dilemma, such a
dilemma because you gotta basically, in essence, walk up to
these coaches with a blank check in order to be
able to get them to come coach your team. You
gotta go to them with the blank check in order
to get them to leave where they're at or to
get them to come where you are over another school.
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And then you're locked in with them and you got
to do a buyout. Like it's it's a horrible time
in my estimation for coaches in terms of stability and
being able to stay out of place for an extended
amount of time. I'm not sure how that you know
how that will play out in terms of long tenured coaches.
But what we do know is is that there will
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be a lot of guys getting very wealthy in the
coaching field that will be basically bouncing around or you know,
I guess it's it's in contracts that they have to
within what is it, like good good faith go seek
a different job.
Speaker 5 (20:16):
There's and that actually applies to James Franklin.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
He's got mitigation in his contract, so like as soon
as he got fired, he hasked to publicly say like, yeah,
I can't wait to go coach.
Speaker 5 (20:24):
Somewhere else, right, because he has to actively seek to
go coach.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Yeah, So, and I don't even know how that's going
to offset what these guys are signing in terms of
guaranteed contracts for the amount of time that they're signing him. Otherwise,
the coach says, Hey, I'm gonna just go over here,
and and these schools are now in position where they're
going to be leveraged exactly. I mean that's always been
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how it is, leverage the next school to use it
against this school to get what it is that you want.
But I think it's even worse now.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
Well, because there's so many like there's obviously if you
compare it to the NFL, you know, and this is
where like the economics start to play a factor. Right,
So the NFL generates about ten billion annually from its
TV media rights deal, the big ten I believe is
the most expensive as of now that they generate about
over a billion, So there's there's a ten time difference
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between the two. So NFL teams can largely move on
from a staff because it's not just the head coach.
You know, you're signing up your coordinators to these handsome
deals too. But they can move on from them and
kind of start over because they are generating so much revenue,
not just for the TV media rights deal, but just
to give it a comparison, you know. For and by
the way, like think about the difference in well, they
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play seventeen games, so they're getting eight or nine home
games a year, right with college football. You're hopefully getting
that maybe with a playoff game, but you know, usually
it's not that many home games, so you're not getting
as much ticket sales as concessions all that. You know,
these schools aren't making quite as much from their TV
media rights deal. Whatever the revenue share breakdown is for
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the Big Ten for each team, you can do them
on that or you know, Notre Dame is a good
example because it's the only team and I think they're
getting a little over a fifty some million a year
for NBC and then they get partial rev share from
the ACC. So when you talk about like stroking a
check for fifty some million, and that's just the head coach,
that's not the coordinators too.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
Now, granted they're not quite to that extent. Like but
for example, Penn State Noles wasn't cheap cold, he wasn't cheap.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Yes, not at all.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
You start looking at the numbers they add up and
you go, all right, how are we going to do this?
Like are we able to tap into the endowment? Now
that might be a conversation for down the road, but
you know, typically endowed funds they've got a general purpose.
You know, there is it, or I should say general,
there's a specific purpose, and so those funds have to
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be allocated towards you know where those funds were designated. Now,
now again there's some gray area there, and somebody who's
smarter than I am would tell you how that works.
But you know, there's the problem trying to point out
as the business model. You know, the college schools aren't
equipped yet to be able to handle the turnover that
we're seeing. And that's why I keep going back to
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it's not that the school probably doesn't want to be
in this position. It's the donors and the alums, like
they're the ones with the money, where the school just says, okay,
you want, I'm gone write to check like like help
us out then, because otherwise we're in a really, really
tough spot. And they'll just threaten and say, well I'm
not going to donate that. It's like, well, okay, but
then we can't move on from them. So we're gonna
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be in the same position every year until you do something.
You get a group of people want to do something
to be the difference. I mean, there's some wild conversations
that are happening right now behind the scenes.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Yeah, creating a lot of opportunities for business people too.
I mean especially like former students and stuff like that
that have always dreamed about being a part of the
program at a higher level. Like a lot a lot
of those dudes. Was his name Shapiro? Is that is
his name? The guy the guy that was out of
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Miamivan Shapiro, like those, There's going to be a lot
of them popping up a lot, like a lot of
groupies popping up. This is gonna be interesting to see, man,
because the access is actually so phenomenal right now, based
upon what the conversation has just been. It's crazy, man.
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Jackson wasn't going to play. You know, I don't know
how much confidence you know, one would have in the
(26:50):
ability to win a game of this magnitude not having
your your star quarterback in so but it was a
big win because they bought themselves some time. And look
the Beers, honestly, they're they're not a bad team like
they they look pretty pretty decent, Like they were competitive,
(27:14):
So I mean, I'm chunks.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
Caleb Williams has gotten worse like as the season's gone on,
and and people will go, well, whatever the Cowboys game,
everybody throws for record yards against the Cowboys.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
Or defense, their defense is so bad. They're so bad
at Dallas. It's awful.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Yeah, it's bad.
Speaker 4 (27:34):
I mean, I don't know how you don't make a
change at some point soon.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
I don't know, But I do believe that the Ravens
they're they're far from out of the woods.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
I thought I was going to get away with one
because we were we were working under the impression that
Lamar Jackson was going to be available because it was
trending that way. And you know, he uh practiced as
a full participant on Friday, and then afterwards retroactively the
Ravens listed him as limited.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
The following day. They looked at the beers, they were like,
you know what, we could get through this one with
snoop snoop, So come on, gonna do it.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
Who messed up though? Was the training staff? Was it
the head coat? I mean, who messed up on this one?
Speaker 3 (28:25):
John Harbaugh spoke about the quote unquote mix up after
the game yesterday.
Speaker 5 (28:30):
Does a coach what.
Speaker 8 (28:31):
You do is you you ask, you might you know,
how is he doing? That's about as much as you
do how are we doing? And when do you think?
And then you get the guys ready that are going
to play. Then when the guys come back to practice,
you put them in there, you practice, And that's how
it works. On the coaching side, coaches are involved with
you know, statuses and whether guys player or not. That's
not a coaching decision.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
I mean, they don't have any say or any in
but on what's going on or how that whole thing
lays out. I know he's coming. I know they've got
a short week because they're playing the Dolphins this week,
and so I could understand the idea that, well, look
it's a short week, you know why rushing back here?
You know haven't written. But there are seasons on the
line with every game. And I just wonder how many
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people there like maybe Lamar was like, no, I'm not ready,
and they thought he was. And so he's just gonna
focus on Miami on this short week as opposed to
play the Bears.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Seemingly he could take another week to get healthier. I mean,
you don't want to risk it, and like you could
brag about being a good enough team where you can't
you don't have to play your start quarterback. I mean
they're at two wins. It's all hands on deck at
this point.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
They're for sure gonna get fined, Like the organization's gonna
get fined.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
Well, they should get fined. I mean, it's not that complicated.
Either he was a full participant or he wasn't. Coming
from someone who fully expected Lamar Jackson to play, I
was shocked, like this almost. I mean, this usually doesn't
happen in the NFL. There's rare instances when it does,
or maybe there's a setback or something. This they just
(30:08):
try to be like, oh yeah, sorry, are bad.
Speaker 5 (30:12):
It's bush league, man.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Well, there's a lot of people.
Speaker 4 (30:16):
There's a lot of people out there, like Jonas Knox
who that might have persuaded their bet to take the Chicago.
Speaker 5 (30:21):
Bears for some reason, not sure why.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
Like that's sitting at six and a half after that
news came out and the line dropped, and I'm thinking, man,
at time of the pick, we got it as six
and a half, and then it didn't matter.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
It just didn't matter.
Speaker 5 (30:35):
It's a just just the Bears aren't good. Is that
what you're saying?
Speaker 1 (30:37):
They can't throw the ball the job? I say their
defense is pretty dang good man. They're aggressive. I thought
I thought there were a lot of calls that went
against them, you know, and in that game, but I mean,
I thought they were pretty competitive. I don't. I don't
believe the score is indicative of what this Bears team is.
(31:00):
And I think that if they were to correct some
of the things that they're defiiching in with with Williams,
I think they're like their team that can win, like
I do. I think their team that is actually possibly
developing into a team that can win, like I maybe
you didn't like it the way, uh, you know, Caleb
(31:20):
Williams looked, but I didn't think the team look looked
bad at all. And they listen. I know Lamar Jackson
wasn't in the game, but I thought they played played
fairly well.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
So they beat the Raiders on a block kick, they
beat the Commanders because they were just giving away the football,
and then they beat the Saints and offensively they were
not good in that game. Like that's just and the
Cowboys stink.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
I don't. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
I don't see it, like and listen, I would love
to look at this and go, oh, you know they're
gonna be a wildcard teams. I'm pretty sure I had
them as a wildcard team with our picks before year.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
Which is embarrassing.
Speaker 5 (32:01):
That's a Bears fan right there.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
But I just it doesn't It doesn't look like Caleb
Williams is getting better. It looks like it's either stagnant
or maybe a little bit worse as the seasons.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
I think that's harsh.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
Can I Can I say this though, I'm not rooting
against the Bears or or for them not to have
success for any other reason other than to me, it's
funnier when Jonas loses.
Speaker 5 (32:26):
I don't know why.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
He's just one of the we all have buddies who
it's it's just funny when they lose, and so you
kind of root for them to lose.
Speaker 5 (32:32):
To see how they will react.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
Like Vart like he somehow has this like voodoo where
he just like squashes it.
Speaker 5 (32:38):
So it's not even fun.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
It's like, all right, whatever, like we'll just see what
happens Jonas. Jonas will like you'll text sudden a voice.
Now it will act like he doesn't care. Here we
go again. But there's a there's like a small part
of him that loves being miserable and like rooting for
bad teams. So he just has something to like complain about. Well,
and so it's actually fun to root against anything that
(33:03):
Jonas is rooting for outside of his son, Like we're
all rooting for a son.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
It's comfortable. It's comfortable. I know that.
Speaker 5 (33:12):
I know that.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
It's comfortable. That must suck.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
Listen, man, you grow up a Cubs fan, like God
taps you on the shoulder and says it's gonna get
worse every.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
Single year, and it usually got a world serious in
your lifetime, pal, all right, Not many people can say that.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Yeah, And how did they celebrate it.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
They took a power washer and hosed off all the
nice signings on the side of Wrigley Field. Like fans
are writing a dear Grandpa. They're thinking to you, uh,
this is this is for you. That mean writing in
chalk all over the side of Wrigley Field, and some
guy walks out with a powerwasher two days later and
hoses his Yeah, listen, that's that's just their world. But
(33:55):
you know, now we get to see uh Lamar Jackson
presumably show.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
On the Baltimore was a one win team. Yeah, up
until yesterday, that was our super Bowl pick. LeVar, Like,
can you let that sink in forward that if I
told you there, if I told you coming into the
season that in week seven, Week seven, the Ravens would
(34:25):
have one victory in a game where which I don't
even know that you say it's a must win situation
because I don't see how they can make it to
the playoffs where they're at currently, Like I I guess
they can. I see that they can, But can you
really like you're one in your one in five, like,
(34:49):
I don't see you. I mean, I guess you could
make a run for it. You could make a run
for it, But that's a whole lot of going on
a heater and they haven't shown that they're a be
a heater team. I just I think that's strange, man.
I think some of these teams that seemingly have taken
step steps back this year. I think this is probably
(35:12):
outside of New England. This is probably the biggest surprise
to me, the fact that New England is doing as
well as they're doing.
Speaker 5 (35:20):
Some people try to tell you.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
Some of you guys did try to try to tell
you you're right. I don't listen. I don't disagree.
Speaker 4 (35:29):
Have you already waved the white flag on that on
New England?
Speaker 1 (35:35):
I'm impressed. I'm impressed Cake down the streets. I'm impressed
he's playing well. I've been impressed with that team. They
look like a team that can be reckoned with. You
know what's creative bout Drake May. This is going to
continue because Josh McDaniels is never going to get another
(35:55):
head coaching opportunity. But it's the truth. He's not going
to so.
Speaker 5 (36:01):
He's always young.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
He's just going to be the offensive coordinator for the
Patriots for as long as he wants it, and Drake
May is gonna have consistent play calling with the same
guy for the foreseeable future.
Speaker 4 (36:14):
Josh McDaniels is only forty nine years old. Yeah, I know,
but he could he could be the OC for the
next like six seven years. And you know how this
league is. If they're winning Super Bowls, he's winning MVP,
someone's gonna be like, hey man, think about hiring Josh McDaniels.
They'll be like, does he have a resume. No, no,
I can't remember anything he did before before Drake Man.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
Yeah, well they do that. I'm kidding.
Speaker 5 (36:36):
I mean, look and he's got he's got as an
oc a great resume.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
It's just.
Speaker 5 (36:42):
I'll also say this, I don't.
Speaker 4 (36:43):
Know that you should hold that over a head coach's
head only because like, think about think about what the
Raiders are now hasn't been great. You know, the Broncos
were in a tough period of time and that was
a really short stint. Like the first year, man, they
were awesome.
Speaker 5 (37:03):
To watch for me, Daniels. Yeah, you know, after that,
it just things kind of went a little Haywater.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
What do you start six? And oh started six?
Speaker 5 (37:10):
And oh Man beat New England.
Speaker 4 (37:12):
They had those old school unithos throwback, which, by the way,
come on, man, Pittsburgh. I just I know that's everyone
makes a big deal about these like throwback traditional uniforms.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
There's a reason they switched over from those like those
are softfully yeah awful.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
Yeah, but it's been better if they put some Louisiana
hot sauce on them uniforms though, I'm telling you make
everything better. It's the perfect balance of peppers, vinegar, salt.
You could throw it on ugly uniforms. You can throw
it on wings, nachos, burgers, it don't matter. Hit any
tailgate food with it because you got that bold, handcrafted
flavor of the original Louisiana Hot sauce. That's Louisiana Hot.
(37:52):
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So, uh, Sunday morning, I walk out into the garage
and I was doing some stuff and I noticed there's
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size of a bowling ball hole in the drywall down
where some electrical wiring comes into the house for some
exterior lights. And it's chewed through, and I'm thinking to myself, Okay,
(39:17):
this has to be some sort of rodent mouse. But
I was like, man, my mouse is gonna be chewed
through like wires like that. So I think it like
a rat. And as I'm looking around more and more,
I'm like, all right, I'm looking at what it got into.
And so I'm sort of say, okay, I need to
clear out the garage see if whatever is got in
is still here.
Speaker 5 (39:36):
Now obviously, how did it get there.
Speaker 4 (39:38):
Well, my wife likes to leave the garage door open
for like hours upon hours at times of the year
where it's not smart. So that's most likely the culprit,
because there's no like hole in the exterior or something.
So as I'm clearing this stuff out, I see this
little furry fellow and he's not really that little. I'm
looking underneath and I still to this day do not
(39:59):
know if it's a beaver or a gopher. But because
it's got kind of great hair, it's definitely not a groundhog.
I know that, I know that, But what what? I
ended up trying to flush it out to one side
of the garage to then push it out this one
garage door. Well, it darted back towards my wife as
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she's watching this, and instead of like trying to stand
her ground and like shoe it a certain direction, she
runs to run behind her car that's parked in the garage.
Speaker 5 (40:29):
So what does it do?
Speaker 4 (40:30):
It runs up underneath and crawls up up up under there.
So then she looks at.
Speaker 5 (40:35):
Me, she's like, well, what do I do?
Speaker 4 (40:36):
I go, well, back it out of the garage, like
I'm not I don't want that to sit in here.
So then it was like we're trying to spray it
and see if it came down. She drove it around.
I don't even know it could still be up underneath
the car.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
We have no idea. Oh wow, yeah, that's an I
are for certain a car might be on ir at
some point. Your car's got beaver. That road in is
going beyond our big car. That's the right wire in there.
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(01:13):
long ago that Brian Kelly.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
I ain't none me my family, I'm winning you.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Was taking victory laps and sideswiping Davos Sweeney after their
Week one when in Clemson's Death Valley, and now just
butt it of two months later, less than two months later,
that'll do it. Brian Kelly has been fired by LSU.
Apparently they're still working through how to figure out his
(01:43):
fifty four million dollar buyout. But Brian Kelly and his
run at LSU has come to an end. And for
all the talk and all the gusto and everything that
he threw out there over the past couple of years,
probably not the way I think a lot of LSU
fans thought this is gonna play out because they got
their ass whooped my Texas A and M over the weekend.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
Well, first off, like both both these things can be true.
The first is Texas and m is a really good
football team. Mike Elko, who is a former defensive assistant
under Brian Kelly while on Notre Dame, is a.
Speaker 5 (02:17):
Hell of a football coach.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
And I'll say this right now, Marcel Reid, their quarterback,
is a player that I've watched every week and that
young man has continued to improve. He should be If
you want to place a long bit on the Heisman,
like I'd throw his name right now in the ring.
He should be able to get some good odds because
they're going to play a little more difficult schedule the
(02:39):
rest of the way, but they he's gonna be a
guy that's draft eligible, and from watching what I see
in him, like he'd be a guy that I would
say could be a first round pick. I mean, he's
got all the talent and skill. It just comes down
to like development and taking that next step. And from
last year, this year he's done that. I mean his
(02:59):
McKay annex's full work, Like everything's been much improved. So
Marcel reads a guy that like I'm keeping an eye
on for the rest of season, but also to see
what he does after this year, because I think he's
got a great chance of being one of the top
quarterbacks taken just on the field in comparison to like
Garret Nussmeyer, who look behind the scenes. When I talked
to like different talent evaluators, everyone was like afraid to
(03:22):
say it publicly, but they kind of like gushed about him.
They loved nus Marcel read, hands down outplayed him. It
wasn't even close, Like wasn't even close. This past week.
So if that gives you any indication of what is
going to happen in the draft next year, I would
say this draft is by the way as open as
it's ever been for like, who potentially could be that
number one overall pick right now?
Speaker 1 (03:44):
I just think that it is a very, very volatile
time to be a coach at the college level at
a major university with a large contract. It's a it's
a it's a volatile time, and it's it's a unsettling
time because in il transfer portal, all of these elements,
(04:09):
added extra elements of being able to pay players players
being able to transfer, is now turning into a job
that I don't I don't believe. I don't believe that
most of the coaches in the coaching industry have been
properly trained or equipped on being able to I don't
(04:30):
know how you could be properly trained and equipped to
be able to handle where we are right now, so
to be able to get a team to play well,
play at a high level, stick together from season to season.
You know, these are these are the pressures that that
these coaches are facing these days, and you're starting to
(04:51):
see those cracks show you know, you're starting to you're
starting to see a lot of the characteristics of what
comes with when it's pay for play, and that's how
I see it.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
I think with Brian Kelly it was different because, like
you did, the impression that like he made when he
first got there, right, and everyone kind of thought that
was cringe. It really like he's trying to be someone
he's not and he's almost like got this imposter syndrome.
And then as you saw, I mean, at least early on,
they were kind of close, but they could never quite
(05:24):
get over the hump to win the SEC or to
get in the college Football Playoff. And one of the
things that a lot of Notre Dame fans witnessed and saws,
they always felt like there was more room for him
to do more in recruiting and all that. Morgus Freeman
has without a doubt proven that since he's taken over
as head coach, with the way he's grinded, the way
(05:44):
he's recruitered and built.
Speaker 5 (05:45):
That roster at Notre Dame.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
For Brian Kelly, it's actually been the exact opposite of
what I think LSU fans were getting. Not only did
it not get enough wins in the win column in
comparison to ed Orgeron or Been less Miles in their
first four years. But also if you look at the
recruiting rankings, like they've they've legitimately had taken a step back.
(06:08):
If you go through the first four years of Brian
Kelly's recruiting tenure or I guess it's four years he's
it was at LSU, they were averaging about eight point
five as far as their team recruiting ranks. It's for
high school student athletes. And again it's you can't use
ANIO in the transfer portal because obviously ed Orgeron less
Miles didn't have them.
Speaker 5 (06:29):
But ed Oseron was averaged about six.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
You know, that was usual where his class was not higher,
and in fact he had classes that were in the
top five over the like those six years, in four
of the six so they were actually above that. They
only had really one down year less Miles his last
six years he averaged a little it was like a
little over seven, but same thing, he averaged more often
than not a class that was like in the top six.
(06:54):
You know, half that time, Brian Kelly's only had one
top five class in the four years he's been in
there now. His transfer portal class was the best of
any this offseason. But I'm always a leery of like
throwing that out there sometimes because it doesn't necessarily always
equate to wins. It just means you bought enough players
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who are talented enough and have been proven enough. But
you know, obviously the team they're leaving either doesn't have
the funds to keep them or they don't want to
pay them to keep them. Like, let's be real about that.
Some of these teams are okay letting go of players.
They're asking for these astronomical numbers, where other teams are saying, like,
we'll take that. That's a dire need for us. And
(07:37):
we see this happen all the time in the NFL
and free agency. Teams let a player go, someone else
overpays and the guy might have a good year or two,
but he never usually equates to that contract. And that's
what you're seeing at the college football level. That's what
you're seeing from you know, LSU this year. Now, the
great of their defense has been improved from what it
was a year ago. They got awful last year, but
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it hasn't equated to them being a better team. And
so to the point about money, Like, what I find
most interesting in that I've you know, talking to some
different coaches and guys who have different feelings on this is,
you know, Philip Foehmer signed the first deal that was
like a million bucks per year to go coach at Tennessee.
And I bet if you did a study on the
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timeline now for college football coaches since that point and
you did the twenty years thirty years prior, you probably
saw a lot more turnover because I think with these
guys being paid more money, there's more there's higher expectations,
and with those higher expectations when when things don't work out,
especially early on or when you've got you know, this
(08:43):
imposter syndrome where he says, you know, something weird like that,
or he's dancing with the recruit that he doesn't end
up even signing, or he's chewing out his players, or he's.
Speaker 5 (08:53):
Getting kg with the media.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
Like there's so many things that Brian Kelly has done
over his time at LSU that let him not to
be likable, like as a notre dame, a lum and
fan obviously, and someone who is the day he literally
left to say he could go win championships elsewhere and
started a collective like in twenty four hours after that. Like,
(09:16):
the one thing I'd say that is the starkest contrast
between Marcus Fraan and Brian Kelly is Marcus is incredibly likable.
He's genuine and likable. Brian Kelly hasn't comed off as
either of those at any point, neither genuine or likable.
And I think when you don't have the success on
the field and you obviously don't want to work at
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it and recruit the way your predecessors have or even
the guy who replaced you, a notre dame has, it
becomes really revealing. LSU is not devoid of talent. Neuss
Meyer can play. They've got talent on that team. There's
no doubt about it. They'll have some first round picks.
(09:59):
The head coach was problem m.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Yeah, they struggling in Boulder too. I wonder how that
that's that's gonna go. I just I just think that
this this coaching world we're in right now at the
college level is going. You're and you're right, it is going.
It is about how the guy is perceived. Like Marcus
Freeman is is a likable guy. He does check off
(10:25):
the boxes. Good looking dude, speaks well, played the game,
you know, has has all the the attributes, has a
good looking family. He he stays in shape. Like it's
crazy to think all these little things matter moving forward.
You can't be a fat, slobbingly looking guy. And and
(10:48):
when like I know, Elko is like on that borderline
of I'm sad, damn, but you had better. You had
better have a superpower if you're not checking off some
of the obvious, some of the obvious things that are
on the checklist of being a college coach, had a
major blue chip and you know, superpower in football.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
And the problem for Brian, Kelly and Brady alluded to
it was if you think about his tenure at LSU,
you don't think about any of the big wins, You
think about the fake Cajun accent, you think about the
outbursts going after Davos Swiney, just like none of it
is on the field and none of it is performance based.
(11:34):
He just comes across really unlikable, Like he's a really
unlikable guy. And that's why, you know LSU fans were
chanting it, and you know he's four years in. It's
not like he didn't win games. It's just he didn't
live up to the expectations that were there. And when
he came in, there was all this conversation the yeah,
(11:54):
the video with the recruit like, it's just the whole
thing was odd and it never seemed like And that's
why I under was it just a money thing that
he left Notre Dame. Was there talk about Notre Dame
wanting to split with Brian Kelly or was it just
him simply seeing a better offer and he wanted to
jump ship and go get more money?
Speaker 5 (12:11):
All right?
Speaker 4 (12:12):
So one of the things that I think becomes wearing
for athletic directors.
Speaker 5 (12:17):
And this is just my general observation of what I
see in this space.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
This is not like specific to any university or any
athletic director, but there's been a power shift in this
NIL era because.
Speaker 5 (12:33):
The the you know, the board of regents or whatever.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
Prominent alum who's got the deep pockets that's bank rolling
usually the collective or how this is operating.
Speaker 5 (12:45):
You know, they're in essence kind of controlling the whole thing.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
Right, They're the guy who's going to buy out the
coach or write the biggest check if they're trying to
buy out that coach. They're the guy that's going to
write the check to go find that top player they
need or retain a place player if they're trying to leave.
And so it's almost bypassed now the athletic director, who's
the guy who's in the position to oversee a coach
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that's making five times what he's making. Like the entire
process is flipped.
Speaker 5 (13:17):
You know.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
When you look at the structure of an NFL organization,
usually the general manager and the head coach are somewhat
on even footing, you know, and maybe that's not going
to be so much the case of what the coach
is being paid or compensated, but it's not that far off.
Speaker 5 (13:34):
There is a huge.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
Contrast between what the athletic director is being compensated and
then what the head coach is being compensated for some
of these top programs now, and the problem that creates
is is as long as that deep pocketed donor, as
long as he's got you know, the head coach has
his ear, it's really all that matters. Because that athletic
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director is not going to bite the hand that feeds him,
and that's that that's that alum. So like I look
at it in this case and I just I sit
there and say, if you look at a bunch of
the different circumstances that have happened, it's oftentimes out of these,
you know, whoever that alum is, whoever that donor is,
that's essentially calling the shots and saying.
Speaker 5 (14:19):
Nope, we're done.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
Like this got to the point at LSU where the
governor of the state of Louisiana was involved.
Speaker 5 (14:29):
Think about that for a second.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
Like You've got the governor of the state of Louisiana
as involved in the in the firing of a head
coach in college football.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
The state employee, Right, So l s U is a
public school, correct it is? Yeah, and then that's that's
that's the that's probably their hide employee for the employee.
Speaker 5 (14:52):
But that's a typical you don't hear about that very often.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
And and that's what makes it kind of unique, is
like there's obviously a lot of again deep pocketed donors
and a lums who wanted this to happen. They didn't
want to watch whatever is going to occur in Alabama.
What in a couple of weeks when they've got to
play him, they wanted him out now, and they want
to start that process. It's going to be a competitive process.
You have Penn State, You've got Florida. You know some
(15:17):
are gonna you know, argue and jockey over will what's
the better job? Right, Lane Kiffin just keeps sitting there
winning a whole miss and he looks.
Speaker 5 (15:25):
Newer and better looking, and he does.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
I think it's Tan's gotten better, his teeth got wider, Like,
he just keeps looking better and better right the longer
this whole thing plays on.
Speaker 5 (15:37):
And the interesting thing.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
About that, ye hey, you look good to me. I
ain't just saying geez.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
I just think that's the biggest change right now in
college football that no one wants to really acknowledge is
the person with the most power is someone who is
not even necessarily operating within the confines of these this
college structure.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
And that's just the truth.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
Like it's the deep pocketed donor someone on the outside
is running a business, has a ton of money that
loves his school and wants to see them succeed.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
And that's ultimately who's controlling it. Now.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
We can say the athletic directors running the search firm
and all this stuff and it's you know, connecting the few.
But you better go get that guy to check off
the box of whoever you're gonna hire, otherwise you're not
getting that check.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
I think that this next round of coaches that will
eventually circulate through all of these schools, I don't think
anyone is safe. If you're in the SEC and you're
in the Big ten, I don't think any coach is safe.
And I don't know how how long some of these
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coaches will be in pockety.
Speaker 4 (16:54):
Think about like Michigan State, melt Tucker signed a huge deal,
right what Jonathan Smith get paid to go there, and
they're talking about he's maybe not gonna make it. I
mean now, no, granted, that's kind of the going great
or price. And what's crazy about this is if you're
a really good football coach and you're at any one
(17:14):
of these schools, you're getting paid more because everyone's trying
to poach you in every universe. He has to sit
there and be like, well, we got to pay him more.
So when you go back to like what happened with
Brian Kelly every single year, it becomes really difficult for
that athletic director because if you're a good football.
Speaker 5 (17:34):
Coach and you're one of the top programs.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
The NFL is gonna come after you, other college program's
gonna come after you. So what do you think that
agent's doing for his coach. He's saying, hey, man, they
want to pay him this. I want to pay him this.
So as an athletic direct, you're gonna go back to
the donor. You're gonna go back to the school and say,
we got to pay more. We got to pay more.
Every year, every year there's someone coming after him, whether
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it's from above or level playing field in that league,
like someone's trying to pay him more. That gets wearing.
I mean after a while too, you kind of have
to look at it and say, like, all right, like
where are we at? And you know, could we find
someone who we feel like could do an equal, if
not better job. And in regards to Brian Kelly and
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you know, Lincoln Riley, we talked about this. They both
had the same agent at the time. I don't think
Lincoln Riley's represented by Trace Armstrong anymore. But you know,
those deals were kind of set in place and they
kind of swapped and they ended up Boere they ended
up and I don't know that Southern calor LSU was
happy with what they signed up for, what they're paying.
You know, obviously LSU is not, but what Southern Cal's paying,
even Lincoln Riley and what they're getting out of that,
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they got.
Speaker 5 (18:40):
A tough one. This figures versus Nebraska.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
They're favorited, but it's been actually a crazy spot where
you know, when when Lincoln Riley's been favored as a
s C, you know.
Speaker 5 (18:51):
They've struggled on the road. I think like he's.
Speaker 4 (18:54):
Won like three times or whatever, or I should say
covered like three times, and I think two of those
versus U see a at the Rose Bowl, like I mean,
so I think they're laying they're laying seven points right
now and they're playing in Lincoln this week.
Speaker 5 (19:07):
Has it been a good spot for him?
Speaker 1 (19:10):
I just think it creates such a dilemma, such a
dilemma because you gotta basically, in essence, walk up to
these coaches with a blank check in order to be
able to get them to come coach your team. You
gotta go to them with the blank check in order
to get them to leave where they're at or to
get them to come where you are over another school.
(19:33):
And then you're locked in with them and you got
to do a buyout. Like it's it's a horrible time
in my estimation for coaches in terms of stability and
being able to stay out of place for an extended
amount of time. I'm not sure how that you know
how that will play out in terms of long tenured coaches.
But what we do know is is that there will
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be a lot of guys getting very wealthy in the
coaching field that will be basically bouncing around or you know,
I guess it's it's in contracts that they have to
within what is it, like good good faith go seek
a different job.
Speaker 5 (20:16):
There's and that actually applies to James Franklin.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
He's got mitigation in his contract, so like as soon
as he got fired, he hasked to publicly say like, yeah,
I can't wait to go coach.
Speaker 5 (20:24):
Somewhere else, right, because he has to actively seek to
go coach.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Yeah, So, and I don't even know how that's going
to offset what these guys are signing in terms of
guaranteed contracts for the amount of time that they're signing him. Otherwise,
the coach says, Hey, I'm gonna just go over here,
and and these schools are now in position where they're
going to be leveraged exactly. I mean that's always been
(20:48):
how it is, leverage the next school to use it
against this school to get what it is that you want.
But I think it's even worse now.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
Well, because there's so many like there's obviously if you
compare it to the NFL, you know, and this is
where like the economics start to play a factor. Right,
So the NFL generates about ten billion annually from its
TV media rights deal, the big ten I believe is
the most expensive as of now that they generate about
over a billion, So there's there's a ten time difference
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between the two. So NFL teams can largely move on
from a staff because it's not just the head coach.
You know, you're signing up your coordinators to these handsome
deals too. But they can move on from them and
kind of start over because they are generating so much revenue,
not just for the TV media rights deal, but just
to give it a comparison, you know. For and by
the way, like think about the difference in well, they
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play seventeen games, so they're getting eight or nine home
games a year, right with college football. You're hopefully getting
that maybe with a playoff game, but you know, usually
it's not that many home games, so you're not getting
as much ticket sales as concessions all that. You know,
these schools aren't making quite as much from their TV
media rights deal. Whatever the revenue share breakdown is for
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the Big Ten for each team, you can do them
on that or you know, Notre Dame is a good
example because it's the only team and I think they're
getting a little over a fifty some million a year
for NBC and then they get partial rev share from
the ACC. So when you talk about like stroking a
check for fifty some million, and that's just the head coach,
that's not the coordinators too.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
Now, granted they're not quite to that extent. Like but
for example, Penn State Noles wasn't cheap cold, he wasn't cheap.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Yes, not at all.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
You start looking at the numbers they add up and
you go, all right, how are we going to do this?
Like are we able to tap into the endowment? Now
that might be a conversation for down the road, but
you know, typically endowed funds they've got a general purpose.
You know, there is it, or I should say general,
there's a specific purpose, and so those funds have to
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be allocated towards you know where those funds were designated. Now,
now again there's some gray area there, and somebody who's
smarter than I am would tell you how that works.
But you know, there's the problem trying to point out
as the business model. You know, the college schools aren't
equipped yet to be able to handle the turnover that
we're seeing. And that's why I keep going back to
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it's not that the school probably doesn't want to be
in this position. It's the donors and the alums, like
they're the ones with the money, where the school just says, okay,
you want, I'm gone write to check like like help
us out then, because otherwise we're in a really, really
tough spot. And they'll just threaten and say, well I'm
not going to donate that. It's like, well, okay, but
then we can't move on from them. So we're gonna
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be in the same position every year until you do something.
You get a group of people want to do something
to be the difference. I mean, there's some wild conversations
that are happening right now behind the scenes.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Yeah, creating a lot of opportunities for business people too.
I mean especially like former students and stuff like that
that have always dreamed about being a part of the
program at a higher level. Like a lot a lot
of those dudes. Was his name Shapiro? Is that is
his name? The guy the guy that was out of
(24:00):
Miamivan Shapiro, like those, There's going to be a lot
of them popping up a lot, like a lot of
groupies popping up. This is gonna be interesting to see, man,
because the access is actually so phenomenal right now, based
upon what the conversation has just been. It's crazy, man.
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Speaker 1 (26:06):
Something this week. Oh yeah, we will.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
We will get the latest because I was fascinated, Yeah
kind of, I don't know the conclusion, but I'm fascinated
to see how it played out. That'll be yours here
about fifteen minutes from now. Did the oh yeah, oh wow,
did the Baltimore Ravens saved their season yesterday with that win?
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Because it kind of feels for a week, right, I mean,
that was a super big, big game for them, and
that was it was not looking good knowing that Lamar
Jackson wasn't going to play. You know, I don't know
how much confidence you know, one would have in the
(26:50):
ability to win a game of this magnitude not having
your your star quarterback in so but it was a
big win because they bought themselves some time. And look
the Beers, honestly, they're they're not a bad team like
they they look pretty pretty decent, Like they were competitive,
(27:14):
So I mean, I'm chunks.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
Caleb Williams has gotten worse like as the season's gone on,
and and people will go, well, whatever the Cowboys game,
everybody throws for record yards against the Cowboys.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
Or defense, their defense is so bad. They're so bad
at Dallas. It's awful.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Yeah, it's bad.
Speaker 4 (27:34):
I mean, I don't know how you don't make a
change at some point soon.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
I don't know, But I do believe that the Ravens
they're they're far from out of the woods.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
I thought I was going to get away with one
because we were we were working under the impression that
Lamar Jackson was going to be available because it was
trending that way. And you know, he uh practiced as
a full participant on Friday, and then afterwards retroactively the
Ravens listed him as limited.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
The following day. They looked at the beers, they were like,
you know what, we could get through this one with
snoop snoop, So come on, gonna do it.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
Who messed up though? Was the training staff? Was it
the head coat? I mean, who messed up on this one?
Speaker 3 (28:25):
John Harbaugh spoke about the quote unquote mix up after
the game yesterday.
Speaker 5 (28:30):
Does a coach what.
Speaker 8 (28:31):
You do is you you ask, you might you know,
how is he doing? That's about as much as you
do how are we doing? And when do you think?
And then you get the guys ready that are going
to play. Then when the guys come back to practice,
you put them in there, you practice, And that's how
it works. On the coaching side, coaches are involved with
you know, statuses and whether guys player or not. That's
not a coaching decision.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
I mean, they don't have any say or any in
but on what's going on or how that whole thing
lays out. I know he's coming. I know they've got
a short week because they're playing the Dolphins this week,
and so I could understand the idea that, well, look
it's a short week, you know why rushing back here?
You know haven't written. But there are seasons on the
line with every game. And I just wonder how many
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people there like maybe Lamar was like, no, I'm not ready,
and they thought he was. And so he's just gonna
focus on Miami on this short week as opposed to
play the Bears.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Seemingly he could take another week to get healthier. I mean,
you don't want to risk it, and like you could
brag about being a good enough team where you can't
you don't have to play your start quarterback. I mean
they're at two wins. It's all hands on deck at
this point.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
They're for sure gonna get fined, Like the organization's gonna
get fined.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
Well, they should get fined. I mean, it's not that complicated.
Either he was a full participant or he wasn't. Coming
from someone who fully expected Lamar Jackson to play, I
was shocked, like this almost. I mean, this usually doesn't
happen in the NFL. There's rare instances when it does,
or maybe there's a setback or something. This they just
(30:08):
try to be like, oh yeah, sorry, are bad.
Speaker 5 (30:12):
It's bush league, man.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Well, there's a lot of people.
Speaker 4 (30:16):
There's a lot of people out there, like Jonas Knox
who that might have persuaded their bet to take the Chicago.
Speaker 5 (30:21):
Bears for some reason, not sure why.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
Like that's sitting at six and a half after that
news came out and the line dropped, and I'm thinking, man,
at time of the pick, we got it as six
and a half, and then it didn't matter.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
It just didn't matter.
Speaker 5 (30:35):
It's a just just the Bears aren't good. Is that
what you're saying?
Speaker 1 (30:37):
They can't throw the ball the job? I say their
defense is pretty dang good man. They're aggressive. I thought
I thought there were a lot of calls that went
against them, you know, and in that game, but I mean,
I thought they were pretty competitive. I don't. I don't
believe the score is indicative of what this Bears team is.
(31:00):
And I think that if they were to correct some
of the things that they're defiiching in with with Williams,
I think they're like their team that can win, like
I do. I think their team that is actually possibly
developing into a team that can win, like I maybe
you didn't like it the way, uh, you know, Caleb
(31:20):
Williams looked, but I didn't think the team look looked
bad at all. And they listen. I know Lamar Jackson
wasn't in the game, but I thought they played played
fairly well.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
So they beat the Raiders on a block kick, they
beat the Commanders because they were just giving away the football,
and then they beat the Saints and offensively they were
not good in that game. Like that's just and the
Cowboys stink.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
I don't. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
I don't see it, like and listen, I would love
to look at this and go, oh, you know they're
gonna be a wildcard teams. I'm pretty sure I had
them as a wildcard team with our picks before year.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
Which is embarrassing.
Speaker 5 (32:01):
That's a Bears fan right there.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
But I just it doesn't It doesn't look like Caleb
Williams is getting better. It looks like it's either stagnant
or maybe a little bit worse as the seasons.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
I think that's harsh.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
Can I Can I say this though, I'm not rooting
against the Bears or or for them not to have
success for any other reason other than to me, it's
funnier when Jonas loses.
Speaker 5 (32:26):
I don't know why.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
He's just one of the we all have buddies who
it's it's just funny when they lose, and so you
kind of root for them to lose.
Speaker 5 (32:32):
To see how they will react.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
Like Vart like he somehow has this like voodoo where
he just like squashes it.
Speaker 5 (32:38):
So it's not even fun.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
It's like, all right, whatever, like we'll just see what
happens Jonas. Jonas will like you'll text sudden a voice.
Now it will act like he doesn't care. Here we
go again. But there's a there's like a small part
of him that loves being miserable and like rooting for
bad teams. So he just has something to like complain about. Well,
and so it's actually fun to root against anything that
(33:03):
Jonas is rooting for outside of his son, Like we're
all rooting for a son.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
It's comfortable. It's comfortable. I know that.
Speaker 5 (33:12):
I know that.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
It's comfortable. That must suck.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
Listen, man, you grow up a Cubs fan, like God
taps you on the shoulder and says it's gonna get
worse every.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
Single year, and it usually got a world serious in
your lifetime, pal, all right, Not many people can say that.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Yeah, And how did they celebrate it.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
They took a power washer and hosed off all the
nice signings on the side of Wrigley Field. Like fans
are writing a dear Grandpa. They're thinking to you, uh,
this is this is for you. That mean writing in
chalk all over the side of Wrigley Field, and some
guy walks out with a powerwasher two days later and
hoses his Yeah, listen, that's that's just their world. But
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you know, now we get to see uh Lamar Jackson
presumably show.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
On the Baltimore was a one win team. Yeah, up
until yesterday, that was our super Bowl pick. LeVar, Like,
can you let that sink in forward that if I
told you there, if I told you coming into the
season that in week seven, Week seven, the Ravens would
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have one victory in a game where which I don't
even know that you say it's a must win situation
because I don't see how they can make it to
the playoffs where they're at currently, Like I I guess
they can. I see that they can, But can you
really like you're one in your one in five, like,
(34:49):
I don't see you. I mean, I guess you could
make a run for it. You could make a run
for it, But that's a whole lot of going on
a heater and they haven't shown that they're a be
a heater team. I just I think that's strange, man.
I think some of these teams that seemingly have taken
step steps back this year. I think this is probably
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outside of New England. This is probably the biggest surprise
to me, the fact that New England is doing as
well as they're doing.
Speaker 5 (35:20):
Some people try to tell you.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
Some of you guys did try to try to tell
you you're right. I don't listen. I don't disagree.
Speaker 4 (35:29):
Have you already waved the white flag on that on
New England?
Speaker 1 (35:35):
I'm impressed. I'm impressed Cake down the streets. I'm impressed
he's playing well. I've been impressed with that team. They
look like a team that can be reckoned with. You
know what's creative bout Drake May. This is going to
continue because Josh McDaniels is never going to get another
(35:55):
head coaching opportunity. But it's the truth. He's not going
to so.
Speaker 5 (36:01):
He's always young.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
He's just going to be the offensive coordinator for the
Patriots for as long as he wants it, and Drake
May is gonna have consistent play calling with the same
guy for the foreseeable future.
Speaker 4 (36:14):
Josh McDaniels is only forty nine years old. Yeah, I know,
but he could he could be the OC for the
next like six seven years. And you know how this
league is. If they're winning Super Bowls, he's winning MVP,
someone's gonna be like, hey man, think about hiring Josh McDaniels.
They'll be like, does he have a resume. No, no,
I can't remember anything he did before before Drake Man.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
Yeah, well they do that. I'm kidding.
Speaker 5 (36:36):
I mean, look and he's got he's got as an
oc a great resume.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
It's just.
Speaker 5 (36:42):
I'll also say this, I don't.
Speaker 4 (36:43):
Know that you should hold that over a head coach's
head only because like, think about think about what the
Raiders are now hasn't been great. You know, the Broncos
were in a tough period of time and that was
a really short stint. Like the first year, man, they
were awesome.
Speaker 5 (37:03):
To watch for me, Daniels. Yeah, you know, after that,
it just things kind of went a little Haywater.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
What do you start six? And oh started six?
Speaker 5 (37:10):
And oh Man beat New England.
Speaker 4 (37:12):
They had those old school unithos throwback, which, by the way,
come on, man, Pittsburgh. I just I know that's everyone
makes a big deal about these like throwback traditional uniforms.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
There's a reason they switched over from those like those
are softfully yeah awful.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
Yeah, but it's been better if they put some Louisiana
hot sauce on them uniforms though, I'm telling you make
everything better. It's the perfect balance of peppers, vinegar, salt.
You could throw it on ugly uniforms. You can throw
it on wings, nachos, burgers, it don't matter. Hit any
tailgate food with it because you got that bold, handcrafted
flavor of the original Louisiana Hot sauce. That's Louisiana Hot.
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Make sure you buy you so them.
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So, uh, Sunday morning, I walk out into the garage
and I was doing some stuff and I noticed there's
a gigantic hole I shouldn't say gigantic, but about the
size of a bowling ball hole in the drywall down
where some electrical wiring comes into the house for some
exterior lights. And it's chewed through, and I'm thinking to myself, Okay,
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this has to be some sort of rodent mouse. But
I was like, man, my mouse is gonna be chewed
through like wires like that. So I think it like
a rat. And as I'm looking around more and more,
I'm like, all right, I'm looking at what it got into.
And so I'm sort of say, okay, I need to
clear out the garage see if whatever is got in
is still here.
Speaker 5 (39:36):
Now obviously, how did it get there.
Speaker 4 (39:38):
Well, my wife likes to leave the garage door open
for like hours upon hours at times of the year
where it's not smart. So that's most likely the culprit,
because there's no like hole in the exterior or something.
So as I'm clearing this stuff out, I see this
little furry fellow and he's not really that little. I'm
looking underneath and I still to this day do not
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know if it's a beaver or a gopher. But because
it's got kind of great hair, it's definitely not a groundhog.
I know that, I know that, But what what? I
ended up trying to flush it out to one side
of the garage to then push it out this one
garage door. Well, it darted back towards my wife as
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she's watching this, and instead of like trying to stand
her ground and like shoe it a certain direction, she
runs to run behind her car that's parked in the garage.
Speaker 5 (40:29):
So what does it do?
Speaker 4 (40:30):
It runs up underneath and crawls up up up under there.
So then she looks at.
Speaker 5 (40:35):
Me, she's like, well, what do I do?
Speaker 4 (40:36):
I go, well, back it out of the garage, like
I'm not I don't want that to sit in here.
So then it was like we're trying to spray it
and see if it came down. She drove it around.
I don't even know it could still be up underneath
the car.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
We have no idea. Oh wow, yeah, that's an I
are for certain a car might be on ir at
some point. Your car's got beaver. That road in is
going beyond our big car. That's the right wire in there.
That a do it, folks, nice beaver dank
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