Best of 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe

Jonas and LaVar dive into Mike Tomlin's statement of support for his defensive coordinator despite the Steelers' struggles on defense. The guys explain why the NCAA allowing student athletes to bet on professional sports is very clearly a terrible idea. FOX College Football Analyst Petros Papadakis joins Jonas and LaVar to discuss the Dodgers performance in the World Series, Brian Kelly's firing, and much more.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the best of two pros and a couple
Joe with Labar airings and Rady Win and Jonas Knots
on Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
But one of the storylines in the NFL that's kind
of flown under the radar because we're not used to this,
just like we're not used to seeing the Baltimore Ravens
defense struggle the way it has this year, is the
Steelers defense has not been great this year and they're
in the midst of a pretty rough stretch where they're

(00:33):
allowing a lot of yards, a lot of points. The
second half against the Packers, like they got showed up
and spit out on National TV, and it's the first
time in a while where the conversation's not if you
could just get something from the quarterback, or you could
just get something from the offense, this team could be
a real threat. Instead, the defense has not been great.

Speaker 3 (00:55):
TJ.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
Watt has not been the same TJ. Watt that they've
thought he was going to be. They've ut with some
injuries as well too, and so Mike Tomlin, the Steelers
head coach, took time to back his defensive coordinator Tarrell Austin,
but also acknowledge they got issues on that side of
the ball.

Speaker 4 (01:11):
I've known Taylor a long time. He's very capable, he's
very thorough. I largely been pleased with his work, but
certainly he and I are not pleased with where we
are right now from a defensive unit perspective, and so we're.

Speaker 3 (01:23):
Just going to keep working.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
So the Pittsburgh Steelers are going to keep working, and
that work is going to continue this week against the
Indianapolis Colts, who have the best offense in the NFL.
So now all the discussion that we were having. Oh
and by the way, highest paid defensive unit in the NFL,
So they have the most money locked up on that

(01:45):
side of the ball in the league. And yet on
that side of the ball, they have underperformed in comparison
to maybe what the offense has done, and especially what
we've done in particular what we've seen from the Steelers
defense in particular over the past several years.

Speaker 3 (02:03):
Uh, Obviously it's not a dominant defense, but I don't
think it's a dominant offense either. So when when I
look at the Steelers team, ultimately I think that personnel wise,
Yet they do have t J. Watt, they have Jalen

(02:28):
Jalen Ramsey. They they had you know, they have brought
in some guys. They brought in the guy from UH
from the Eagles to be in the secondary. I think
they were hoping to shore up there their passing defense
so that they could ultimately, you know, really focus in
on the run and and then have enough offense with

(02:50):
with bringing in and acquiring Aaron Rodgers and and I
guess thinking that losing losing pickings and and bringing in
DK Metcalf would cure whatever it is that they were
dealing with with Pickens. I can't say it hasn't worked
out well for them. They're they're having a pretty good season.

(03:13):
They I mean, they had a slip up against Green Bay.
They totally looked like they were outmatched and out manned
in the second half. I don't know too many defenses
that are going to be able to defense the Green
Bay Packers fully healthy. It just makes me wonder about
when you look at where you know, the the top

(03:34):
teams are right now. I mean two of them that
come come to mind just very quickly are the Kansas
City Chiefs that just got healthy, got Rashid Rice back,
you know, got guys out there, and they're dangerous. They
can spread the field out on you. And obviously, you know,

(03:56):
you think about Cincinnati and what they could possibly do
with with what they have and multiple guys it and
it makes you wonder, why would you allow Pickens to go?
Because I think the best defense is a great offense. Honestly,
you could play really really fine defense. But you know,
if your offense isn't isn't up to snuff in today's NFL,

(04:19):
in today's football, you're you're you know, I don't see
it ending well for you.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
I mean, there was the stories out there that that
Pickens was kind of a pain in the ass. Yeah, yeah,
that they I mean, he was fined, you know, a
couple hundred thousand dollars from the team from the league
last year because of issues and incidents that were going
on there. He was clearly gonna want a new deal,
and so they thought, well, listen, if we could get
something in return, we can just give that money to

(04:47):
DK Metcalf and that would be fine.

Speaker 3 (04:50):
I just it's kind of missing one though. You need
one more. If I'm Pittsburgh, if I'm Aaron Rodgers, I
need it one more.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
But it is kind of it is kind of weird
that And look, this could be pure coincidence. But if
you look at the AFC North, if you were to say,
coming into this year and someone said, hey, what's the
identity of the AFC North, you go, oh, defense like
that's like, that's a that's the struggling Black and Blued.

Speaker 3 (05:18):
The divisions are struggling bro like. The Browns aren't bad.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
The Browns have the best defense in that division by
a mile, and they're awful. They are brutal. And so
the Steelers, you know, went out there was a you know,
the Patriots made a couple of deals yesterday and traded
away some guys who were backups. Kyle Duggar is one
of the guys that is on his way to Pittsburgh.

(05:43):
The safety keyon White is now a forty nine er.
So Pittsburgh, you know, tried to address that side of
the ball. I just I don't know what to make
of Pittsburgh at this point, because I feel like, if
you could get a little bit more help defensively, I'd
feel a lot better about this team going into the

(06:06):
back end of the season. And I've never I don't
recall ever saying that about Pittsburgh. It's always been, man,
if your offense could just deliver, you know, you'd be
on the right path. But now it feels like much
like Mike Tottlin was backing Matt Canada, who was his
oc for you know, a couple of years, and while
everyone was saying we got to get the offense fix,

(06:27):
the offense fix, now he's having to speak up on
Biafa Terra Austin because the defense just hasn't been good.
And that's a lot of money locked up on that
defense with Ramsey and Hayward and TJ.

Speaker 3 (06:38):
Watt.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
I mean, you're just not getting what you thought you
were going to be getting from that team coming into
the year.

Speaker 3 (06:44):
Yeah, but there's still a good team and they still
have time to improve, and I think that that's what's,
you know, most important. We're talking about a team that's
first in their vision and trying to figure out what's
the best approach moving forward, as their coach mentioned uh

(07:09):
in terms of how to how to be better. I
mean they're they're one game ahead, I believe, one game
ahead of Cincinnati. Cincinnati is you know they let one
get away? What does you know? What does this Baltimore
Ravens team do as they wait for the return of

(07:31):
Lamar Jackson. I'm sure he's probably going to play this week.
They are a four and three team. I think it's
still going to come down to, Yes, try to improve
what your defense is doing. Yes, that is the personality
and the identity that has been a part of the

(07:52):
Pittsburgh Steelers as well as a part of that that
division as a whole in its entirety. But they're going
to have to improve. They're going to have to improve
on the offensive side of the ball, and I feel
like if they're able to do it defensively, that is
a win, a win an added bonus for the Pittsburgh Steelers,

(08:17):
and who, like I would assume that whatever it is
they need to do to write the ship, they'll figure
out a way to do it.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
I mean, that's what they're known for. And you're getting
production from your running backs, like you know, maybe not
so much the previous game, but you've got Jalen Warren's
out there playing pretty good football. Like this felt like,
all right, now, we're not hearing conversations about well, if
we could just get anything from our quarterback, if we
could just get anything from the offense. Now it's switched

(08:44):
and everything's about the defense, Like this is what they're
known for.

Speaker 3 (08:47):
That's Steelers football.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
I've never in my life said, wow, man, that defense
is brutal when it comes to the Steelers, Like, no,
you just kind of pencil that in, like all right, well, yeah,
you're gonna get You're gonna get great play defensively from
the Steelers, from the Ravens, the Bengals have you know,
we talked about that yesterday. They've got their own issues
going on defensively there. But it's just it's odd that
in the same year that's the one you look at

(09:11):
and go, yeah, Like, offensively, that's not the issue. It's
just defensively. If they could get a little bit more
from their defense, this team's in a much better spot.

Speaker 3 (09:21):
If we're being honest. Is there any team that you
feel as a legitimate contender out of the AFC North
right now today? No? And I think that that's probably
the most indicting of comments and conclusions that you could
possibly come up with. But I think it would be

(09:43):
totally I don't think anyone would have a tremendous debate
that right now the AFC North doesn't have a team
that if you said the playoffs were starting today, this
team is dangerous in the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
It's the most disappointing division in the league by far,
because look, and Joe Burrow's injury is Joe Burrow's injury.
But that's been Joe Burrow's history. When is Joe Burrow
had a year where there hasn't been some sort of
a problem, you know, pop up to where he's got
health issues or something like that, or before the season
he'd ruptured a spleen or something like that a couple

(10:23):
of years ago as well too. So the Bengals situation,
you're just kind of used to that. But you know,
we talked about it yesterday. Zach Taylor basically called out
the defense. Listen, they're not good. Al Golden was their
defensive coordinator, was saying, yeah, we've got to fix that
side of the ball. So the Bengals have been disappointing,
The Ravens have been really disappointing despite getting a win

(10:45):
last week, and the Steelers on that side of the ball.
The conversation about the Steelers the past two games has
completely changed because if you beat Cincinnati and Joe Flacco
had been there an hour and a half. Then you
could look at the game against the Packers and go
oh right, all right, yeah, like, listen, this is not
not exactly the result we wanted in the second half.

(11:05):
But now you've dropped two in a row, and the
discussion about Pittsburgh's much different than it was, and Mike
Tomlin even said, look, we didn't handle adversity. Well, it
just it feels like that division as a whole, somebody's
got to win it. But to your point, I don't
look at anybody there and go all right, they're going
to be a problem for Kansas City, especially right now
the way it looks, and we're basically halfway.

Speaker 3 (11:26):
Through the year, and then there's the idea of trying
to figure out which we're going to get, which I
would expect and fully anticipate the Steelers to actually raise
up in this game against the Colts. Like I don't
think that this is going to be an easy game
where they went by two possessions and dominate the game

(11:47):
like they have with some of these other teams. I
think they're going to have their hands full with the Steelers.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
And so.

Speaker 3 (11:56):
I think the good thing about it is is while
today I'll say, I do not believe there is a
legitimate contender for the Super Bowl if the playoffs were
to start today out of the AFC North. There's still
a lot of football to be played, and there's still
a lot of time to do development and figure out what,
you know, what people are going to do. But in

(12:18):
terms of personnel wise, this just doesn't fit what they've
had in the past in my estimation, in terms of
what was connected to those dominant defenses.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
Do we have any game show music? We get some
game show music here because I got something for you
and I think you're gonna find interesting. All right, So,
according to DraftKings, can you guess which teams in the
AFC North is right now the favorite to win that division?

(12:53):
I will give you these standings as they currently stand
in the AFC North right now. These Steelers are in
first place at four and three, The Bengals are second
at three and five, Baltimore is third at two and five,
and the Browns are last right now at two and six. So,
with that being said, which team, according to DraftKings is

(13:16):
the favorite to win the AFC North right now on
the morning of October twenty ninth.

Speaker 3 (13:22):
I mean, I think the most sensible decision to make
would have to be the Pittsburgh Steelers. That is incorrect,
it's the Bengals, but it should be the Steelers. The
Baltimore Ravens are the favorite to win the AFC No.
Seven at minus one thirty, So you're gonna have to

(13:43):
actually pay one hundred and thirty bucks if you want
to win a hunterd back.

Speaker 2 (13:47):
That is how much confidence the odds makers have in
the Baltimore Ravens bouncing back. The team that's been the
most disappointing.

Speaker 3 (13:56):
They're not that far away. I mean, but two wins,
two wins? How many games have they been without Lamar Jackson.
He's been a part of those losses. Yeah, yeah, Like
it's not like they started losing when Lamar Jackson went out.
They've been losing even when he was in there.

Speaker 2 (14:21):
I mean, look the you know, and you want to
blame the defense on that, but the opener where Derek
hen Like Derek Henry's fumbles have been a problem as
well too. That's what you know, sort of led to
the demise of Baltimore and their opener against the Bills.
But yeah, like that win against the Bears, and I
think you pointed it out was their second win of
the season, and like we're coming up on November, like

(14:43):
that's and that team's favored to win that division right now.

Speaker 3 (14:47):
That says a lot about what they, you know, the
odds makers feel about that division. I mean, what did
you say they are at two and five? Yeah? Yeah,
Like and.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
That's that says a lot about how people feel about
the Steelers because don't don't don't the don't the.

Speaker 3 (15:05):
Statistics say that if you lose your first three or
four games something to that effect, well, yeah, you don't
go to the playoffs. Yea. Then the Baltimore Ravens like
run over the number amount of losses where you'd say,
statistics say that they are they're definitely not going to
make the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (15:24):
Yeah. It was one of the like, if you know,
if you start out the year one and three, your
odds to make the postseason are, you know, drastically lower
than I think like five percent maybe something like that.
But yeah, and yet here we are and look and look.

Speaker 3 (15:37):
It's a poor it's a poor play out of the
AFC North has made it a possibility.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
It's also the other thing about Lamar Jackson that I
find kind of interesting is everybody just assumes, oh, well
he's back now, just pencil them in. Everything's going to
be fine. And there was some speculation that part of
the issue with you know, what happened with the injury
report status last week and whether or not he was
a full participant or not a full you know whatever. However,

(16:03):
the fines are going to be handed out for that.
There was part of like there is some rumblings that
maybe they thought he was going to play against Chicago
and he decided not to. I was like, no, I
don't think I'm ready yet. And so they've got a
short week. They're actually going to be playing at Miami
coming up tomorrow night. But everyone just assumes, well, Lamar's

(16:24):
coming off this injury everything, he's just got to pick
up where we expect him to be at an MVP level.
It's a hamstring. He's a mobile quarterback. Like I don't know,
I mean, like you tell me mobile quarterback the hamstring.

Speaker 3 (16:39):
I think if he was one hundred percent healthy, it's
still a tap bit far fetched to think that a
two and five team in the AFC North would be
favored to still win that division. That's to me. I
think that what you and listen, you do have to
go with the quarterback. And and so maybe maybe the

(17:02):
reasoning behind the odds being in favor of Lamar Jackson
is the estimation or guestimation of what his impact will
be once he starts playing, whether one hundred percent or not,
is still better than every quarterback in that in that division.
And I wouldn't say that that's inaccurate. You know, I

(17:25):
think that Aaron Rodgers is still showing glimpses of his talent,
but he's not the Aaron Rodgers of old. And and
so if you're looking at it from the standpoint of
is there a big enough gap wins wise for the
teams ahead of Baltimore to stay ahead of Baltimore, I

(17:48):
would say it's it's it was. It's dangerously close to
there not being enough games left for you to be
able to define it that way. But you still have
a whole half of a season to go. Like if
we were like two three more games out from this,

(18:09):
I'd have a more definitive take on how feasible it
is for a third place team to actually climb to
winning the division.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
The last two games for Pittsburgh changed I think how
people felt about the division because if Pittsburgh would have
held on against Cincinnati, if they would have just split
one of these two, now they're a five and two
team and you've got a much much wider gap as
far as your lead goes, and that don't.

Speaker 3 (18:37):
You still have to ask the question is this team
good enough to sustain that going into the playoffs? Like, Okay,
they're at five and two, but is that a is
that five and two misleading?

Speaker 2 (18:51):
Especially after the Cincinnati game, I would say, yeah, you.

Speaker 3 (18:54):
Know what I mean, like the way they go about winning,
and that's been the problem even when they were undefeated,
where they were at like nine to zero the one
year and people were like, yeah, but is it sustainable
in the playoffs?

Speaker 2 (19:08):
And that was that was one of my favorite Rob
Parker takes of all time.

Speaker 3 (19:12):
Rob Parker said, it's the worst twelve and oh team
of all time. I was like, yeah, who's second worst?

Speaker 2 (19:20):
Just like throwing out just label, just giving him a
label the worst of all time? Okay, but yeah, no,
it's you know that that division has been a disappointment.
The Steelers had an opportunity the past two weeks to
kind of separate themselves. They did not and so because
of that, Baltimore getting Lamar Jackson back on a short

(19:41):
week at Miami is going to be the favorite.

Speaker 3 (19:44):
Right now, they are only three two games two, one game.
They're one game ahead. How many could they lost to Cincinnati?
I know they had one more win than Baltimore, but no, no,
they have two more two more wins. Yeah, but I'm

(20:05):
trying how many? How many divisional games have those teams playing?
So Baltimore's want to know in the division? Yep, and
the Steelers are one and one. Cincinnati is sitting there
at two and oh. So that's the other thing. I mean,
you get to Natties two and oh in two division
in the division. Yeah, So I don't know. I would
I would be more willing to lean towards Cincinnati if

(20:26):
if Flacco can continue to play at a high level
all their way down the list.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
Yeah, I mean, if you, I mean, if you're looking
for long shot odds on DraftKings to the Bengals to
win that division right now, sitting at plus eight hundred,
so they're eight to one, so that'll pay you out
a decent amount. By the way, the Browns at forty
to one, which means, you know, you bet ten dollars
on that you're going to win a Rolls Royce.

Speaker 3 (20:48):
So that's a hard one. I feel like the AFC
North is a hard division to call, and I'll leave
it at that. We got to get the break, But
I feel like that's a hard one to call in
terms of who you think is going to win. But
I think that that is one of the most insanely
Bowl predictions to give odds that the Baltimore Ravens will

(21:09):
win it, considering how this season has started and what
they've had to kind of make it through or work through.

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(22:45):
I want to throw at somebody here whoever put the
hand soap the ascented like Haunted Fall whatever cinnamon hand
soap that's in the men's restroom. Nice word, smells great,
smells delicious. You know that was was it? Brie loves

(23:06):
to put those in there? Or is this pumpkin spice
on our side?

Speaker 3 (23:10):
I mean that's what I'm drinking this morning. It's a
nice talking spice.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, listen, there's nothing better than
pumpkin spice.

Speaker 3 (23:19):
I know that. Uh No, you're no longer longer.

Speaker 2 (23:26):
You're no longer willing to uh to give the the
pumpkin spice I got you. Yeah, try Yeah, the sugar
free kind of kind of ruined it right at the
non sugar Yeah yeah, listen, uh Bree, nice job.

Speaker 3 (23:40):
I don't remember.

Speaker 2 (23:41):
It's like a haunted some haunted scent. I don't remember
the name of it. But yeah, burst you know what
I'm talking about. Yeah, yeah, the slight cedar would Yeah,
it's very nice. Now here's something that I think that
I actually don't know what people were thinking when they
when they implement into this. To be honest with you,

(24:02):
this is kind of flown under the radar because everybody's
been so wrapped up in the NBA betting scandal. But
last week the NCAA's Division one cabinet approved a rule
change to allow college athletes to bet on professional sports,
and Division two and Division three management councils also signed

(24:23):
off on it, allowing it to go into effect this
coming Saturday. NCAA athletes are still prohibited from betting on
college sports and sharing information about college sports with betters.
Betting sites also aren't allowed to advertise or sponsor NCAA championships.
So like, all right, listen, we don't want to sponsor
your championships, but all these athletes feel free to give

(24:44):
it a whirl, all right, you know, spin the chamber
and see what happens on some of these betting apps.

Speaker 3 (24:49):
Now.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
Greg Sankie, the SEC commissioner, he asked the NCAA to
rescind the pending rule change that will allow athletes and
the athletic department staff members to bet on professessonal sports
coming this Saturday. According to a copy of a membo
obtained by ESPN, Pat and Our Doozy, the head coach
of pitt He also aired his thoughts on this new

(25:11):
rule and allowing college athletes to bet on professional sports,
and he said.

Speaker 6 (25:16):
This, I'm not a gambler, I don't, So I just
don't understand it. You know, I'm not addicted anything. I
just don't think it's a great thing to teach our
young people how to do. You know, it's hard enough
in the compliance office of trying to get your guys
not to gamble.

Speaker 3 (25:28):
You can gamble on a boxing match.

Speaker 6 (25:30):
You can gamble, you know, on horse races because it's
on an NCAA sport. But who's gambling on horse races really?
I mean unless you go to the you know, the
horse track. But now you know, just you know, it's
a thing on your phone and you can pick it
up and you can get get on an app and
it's like what are we doing? Like and once you
do it once and you win, you want to go
do it again. It becomes an addiction. I just think
it's it's not good.

Speaker 2 (25:51):
So that was Paton ar Doozy airing his concerns about
college athletes being allowed to gamble on professional sports starting Saturday.

Speaker 3 (26:00):
As interesting, It's a topic that was being discussed, debated, obviously,
you know, fought over who who was a part of
these conversations that led to the conclusion of being that
these young men and women at the collegiate level should

(26:21):
be allowed to partake in sports betting at you know,
the pro level. That would be what what my first
question would be.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
It's also interesting that they're like, look, they can bet
on professional sports, do not bet on college sports. They
do realize that when you go on your DraftKings app,
it's just like one little tabaway.

Speaker 3 (26:46):
I just I just don't understand why there is even
the conversation of it being a compromise, you know what
I mean, Like, it just seems like that's so out
of place. It's so out of place, like even like
and take this into consideration, more often than not, a junior,

(27:07):
a senior, a red shirt junior, a red shirt senior
help sometimes a red shirt sophomore are twenty one years old.
And I think it's inappropriate for college students, college student
athletes to endorse liquor. But I don't think that they

(27:28):
should be endorsing that. So what about Stick City longer?
I don't think that they should be endorsing it. And
so to me, when you're talking about something like gambling,
that one is I mean, how I view gambling on

(27:49):
sports as as something that certainly you have to want
to do, Like that's something like a casual person like, yeah,
there you can find cases of people who casually go
on to these sites. But for the most part, if
you're downloading one of these these gambling sites, you're gambling.

(28:14):
And so I just don't I don't feel like opening
up that door and saying, oh, there's an exception here.
Don't bet on college because you're here, but you can
bet on pros because you're not there. I just I
think that's poor judgment. I don't I don't understand how
morally speaking, how that makes sense. It almost comes across

(28:38):
as the agenda of what of what sports betting represents.
It's bigger sports betting, what they what the consumer presents.
Even at the college level with the active athletes, it

(28:58):
presents the opportunity to increase the bottom line. And I
think that that's that's a tap bit like off.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
Putting, like here's what here's what I love about it
that I don't get it. I don't understand why anybody
thought that this was a great idea. That being said,
why should it even be? All right, So like let's
like let's have a call, like let's throw out possible
reasons as to why they thought that this was appropriate.

(29:29):
Maybe because they're like, well, look, i mean they're getting
nil money now, so if we can make a few
bucks off them, why not, Like, let's not turn down
any business.

Speaker 3 (29:37):
Like I'm being sick because I don't understand any grew up.
Maybe they grew up in a casino. Maybe their family
members were a part of sports book and casinos.

Speaker 2 (29:48):
And I swear to God, like I'm saying all of
this and laughing, I'm not joking.

Speaker 3 (29:55):
Like maybe there.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
Is some element of well, look, I mean you know
they're being paid now, well let's treat them like a
olds like let's uh, you have that you have the
right to go in there. Or maybe they're trying to
snuff some of these people out, like hey, you know,
we gotta we got to figure out, you know, in
real time right now, who we can trust who we can't,
and let's start, you know, going down that road. But

(30:16):
it is interesting that they just randomly decided, you know
what's starting November first, feel free, Like everybody go ahead
and uh and and give it a whirl and go
gamble on professional sports.

Speaker 3 (30:26):
If you're if you're a college athlete. It's just it
it seems like it's Crowbard.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
Yeah, almost to an agenda, almost like you're trying to
bait some people into doing some stuff like oh, here
we go, like let's let's throw this in there and see,
uh see who takes the who takes the bait on this?

Speaker 3 (30:43):
Like let's be real here, right, you you go on
to the site, you start seeing the lines and stuff
like that, it's right there, It's right there in front
of you. Bro.

Speaker 2 (30:53):
It's like putting a bottle of vodka in an AA
meeting next to the cookies and being like, all right,
let's see, uh, let's see who's serious about this, Like,
let's see.

Speaker 3 (31:02):
Less unless you told me that they had a site
that was specifically for athletes in college that did not
show any college sports on that site, on that app
And even then I'd be like, yeah, but you're still
feeding feeding something that could be like a gateway to
them going on to another site and and doing just that.

(31:27):
But again, I've always come to the conclusion, this has
always been my conclusion on sports betting, why do you
do it? Why why do you do it? Like if
you're if you're going to to enjoy me, what I'm
saying is like, why why do you why do you

(31:47):
log in? Why do you place the bets? Why do
you collect the money? And I get it that it's
a it's you know, it's a pastimes. What's your motivation
And why wouldn't you just like, oh, like I can
get my fix by telling you like I would me,
I would bet on this game, and I go this route,

(32:09):
I take the over unders on that boom, and I
can get my if I'm going to get a rush
off of the get the bet, I can get that
off of somebody who really does it and saying yeah,
do this. It's it's also here, you know what I mean, Like,
why are you directly doing it? Like? That's what I've
never understood.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
Here's also the part of this that I don't think,
because look, I think this is.

Speaker 3 (32:34):
Also just have somebody else do it. That's that's what
I want. I try to do it, be like about it.
But why wouldn't you just have somebody else? Of course,
and you.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
Could have always done that, and people probably did. I
think this is air just to see what's going to
happen next, And I'm all about the chaos. I'm all
about what's going to be the better story for the
radio show. I mean you know, hey, listen, not trying
to hope for negativity, but if it's presented and there's
a bad ending to all this, I'm in Like, I

(33:04):
think that's more entertaining and it's more fun to discuss.
The part about the Terry Rozier NBA story and the
NBA story that I think ties into this is the
real issue that they had was the fact that people
were giving away information about statuses of players' health and
whether or not they were going to be partaking in

(33:27):
upcoming games, most notably Lebron James and the Damon Jones story.
Damon Jones was tipping people off to Lebron's not playing
in this game, hammered the Milwaukee Bucks at the time.
You mean to tell me that none of these college players,
like and I'm not saying this whatever happened, but just
for example, well like they just played with these guys.

(33:48):
Like if you're Jackson Dart's teammate at Ole Miss and
he's starting for the Giants, you don't think Jackson Darts
aware of who's playing and who's not in the upcoming
Giants game. And so all of a sudden, somebody from
Ole Miss says, hey, man, uh, is such and such
gonna be playing like what are we looking at? It does? Now,
we we're gonna go run heavy on this. There are
props you can do for rushing yards, passing yards. He's

(34:10):
the quarterback of that team. He's probably still got friends
that are at ole Miss. They could hit him up.

Speaker 3 (34:16):
And that's here's the thing. Who's to say that's just
not a normal regular conversation.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
Yes, and it's not even there's no ill intent, like
there's no He's just like, man, like, how's it going
up there?

Speaker 3 (34:28):
What's going I don't know?

Speaker 7 (34:29):
Man?

Speaker 2 (34:29):
This week, you know, coach coach is playing it and
a tackle down you can bet on all that we're
going to go. We're probably going to this week, you.

Speaker 3 (34:39):
Know, like just like tie it together. Hey.

Speaker 2 (34:42):
For some reason, you know, we get we get a
lot of old Miss players that are betting on Giants games.
I don't know what it is, Like for some reason
they're betting the the over under on passing and rushing
yards and the Giants games.

Speaker 3 (34:53):
I don't know what it is. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (34:54):
Maybe it's because they played with the Giants starting quarterback
last year and now they can gamble on those games.
Like like it is to Nardozzi's credit. Pat Nardozzi said it,
I think it's a bad idea. You're right, and that's
what makes it awesome, because somehow, someway.

Speaker 3 (35:10):
This is gonna blow up in their face. And I
don't get it. I just don't understand. Why wouldn't you
call your your your friend in New York City or
in California, or in Wyoming or Montana, yes, and tell
them to place the bet and then you get the
money off of them. I'll never understand why you would

(35:33):
directly connect yourself to doing bets that you have what
you would say, air quotes in sad information to So
this is how it used to be done. What's that
to stop you from doing it for yourself? Agreed? Agreed, Like,
there's no way to really fully regulate the rules of
engagement of how all of this works.

Speaker 2 (35:55):
So I probably shouldn't. No, No, I'll just I'll air
this out.

Speaker 3 (36:00):
That's fine.

Speaker 2 (36:01):
So how it used to go back in the day,
because I knew a guy that would handle gambling, and
basically what he would do is because if you had
information on certain sporting events, you couldn't you didn't want
to load up heavy on an event or something like that,
because all of a sudden it would flag people and

(36:23):
people would catch wind of the fact that, oh, this
is well, there's a lot of action coming on in
this one spot, on this one player in this one game.
What's happening here? And next thing you know, you can't
gamble at that casino. And that happens in Vegas all
the time. Dana White, who's a notorious blackjack player, isn't
allowed at the Palms casino because he won too much

(36:43):
money off them. They're not looking to get done over,
they're looking to do the doing over of people. That's
why they the Vegas looks the way that looks. So
what you would do back in the day is if
you wanted to bet one hundred thousand dollars on a
sporting event, a result like whatever it was, instead of

(37:04):
betting one hundred thousand dollars at let's say, you know,
the MGM Grand Sportsbook, you would take ten thousand dollars
and you would go bet it at ten different places,
so that that way it wouldn't look so out of
the ordinary that there would be a.

Speaker 3 (37:20):
Bunch of money coming in.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
Well, theoretically, if you wanted to take that same approach.
You didn't really need the app to go ahead and
do that. If you're a professional athlete and you've got information,
you could hit up some guy and say, hey, take
some cash, go to Caesar's bet on this result, and
then we'll split the winnings. There's no paper trail, there's

(37:43):
no you're.

Speaker 3 (37:45):
Not on it.

Speaker 2 (37:45):
Like this stuff has always existed, but now they're making
it so easy for people to get into that world
and get caught up in some stuff that maybe they're
not even really fully aware that they're doing anything wrong.
Like all those NFL players Calvin Ridley and Jamison Williams
and all those guys that got suspended, and Ridley got
suspended for a year, Calvin Ridley was just sitting at home,

(38:08):
he was away from the team and was like, on
the game, Yeah, I'm gonna been on my team and
I'm gonna bet on six other teams in a parlay
and see what happens, not even thinking, oh, by the way,
you're gonna be suspended for a year if you do that.

Speaker 3 (38:20):
He didn't even winn either, No think he won. And
there weren't even big bets like these. They're not big bets.
And I could like again, like, it's no to me.
I'm not a gambler, so I could be totally off
base for this, but I feel like it's no different
than fantasy football or fantasy whatever sport, Yeah, name it.

(38:40):
Like you you predict, you say this is what it's
going to be, and you're rewarded if you're right, and
you lose if you're wrong. Pretty simple, Right, So if
you're sitting there and like you said, and you're watching
and you're spectating, like I would assume for the people
who gamble, it makes this watching the games more interesting.

(39:05):
It intensifies the experience of doing it because you have
more of a vested interests literally, an invested interest and
what happens during the course of that game. Some people
it's almost like, you know, isn't that why they came
up with espresso? Like some people got used to coffee

(39:28):
and coffee didn't keep them up as well as it
should have. So now enter in a stronger version of
the coffee. Right, then you get a capasito, and so
you see what I'm saying. Right, It's like at some
point it's like you're it's like this isn't it's not
just good enough? For me to sit here and watch it. No,

(39:50):
or it's not just good enough for me to sit
here and play fantasy football with it, Like I want
some I need something to heighten my experience, need some
juice that's human nature, and need some juice that's that's
human nature. And what you're doing by saying these these
young men and women athletes in college, what you're saying

(40:11):
is is that we're going to acclimate you and onboard
you to something that maybe you've already been doing, something
that you might be curious about doing, you know, pique
your interest, get you involved, and now we have converted
uh and have penetrated a different market. Legally, you've legally

(40:32):
penetrated a younger demographic. It's the only bananas. I mean,
if you, if you really think about it, like if
you if you take a deeper dive into it and say,
why is this even a conversation? I mean, it's legal
for the rest of the student body to gamble as

(40:52):
much as they want to gamble, and they're and they're
and they're probably friends with those guys. So now you're
talking about implementing a an influencer an influencer driven concept,
why are they allowed to to to bet on on pros,
because if they're allowed to bet on pros, then they'll

(41:14):
probably be telling their friends in and around in and
around campus, like what they're betting on, what they're doing,
do dot, do this? That, and the other like what
are you doing? You know? And maybe that grows their
their presence within a college demographic of people. If you
looked at what sports betting, what they're going after demo wise,

(41:38):
I think that would tell you the story. That would
tell you the story that maybe one of the penetration
points that they've been trying to figure out might be
that age of a demographic, which is the college level
of of of age grew.

Speaker 2 (41:53):
And it's and it's it's gotten bigger and bigger. And look,
part of it was during COVID. I mean people were
looking for anything to hey, listen, man, I bet on
a horse race in Japan, Okay, and they were running
backwards and the guys had masks on, I swear, And
that is a true story. So I am guilty as
anybody of all this, but like a lot of that

(42:14):
took place during COVID because it was like, well the
UFCS on. Oh and by the way, you can gamble
on this stuff. Sweet, Like, that's where this started picking up.
And if you go back a little bit further than that,
it wasn't that long ago. I think it was around
twenty fifteen. It might have been a little bit maybe
even later than that, to where Tony Romo wanted to
hold a fantasy football convention in Las Vegas and Roger

(42:38):
Goodell in the NFL told him no, because we don't
want to partner with anything that would be somewhat close
to gambling. And look where we're at now to where
now it's hey, anybody wants some action here, like, hey,
college athletes, go bet on some professional sports, on guys

(42:58):
that you might have relationships with, because we didn't have
just a problem with that with the NBA and and
any sort of insider trading or like the whole thing
this is like a wife getting her husband a hooker
for his birthday and then being like.

Speaker 3 (43:12):
What do you mean you fooled around?

Speaker 2 (43:13):
Like all right, what do you mean how could you
if you're putting this in their hands. I'm not gonna
be overly critical when stuff like this pops off or
there's an issue, just saying to patn oar Doozy's credit,
and as we've laid out, do not be surprised if
something funky happens like this. This just feels like they're

(43:35):
setting yourself up for something.

Speaker 3 (43:36):
That obviously a setup. It's it's obviously not there's nothing
positive about that. Like something should probably stay, you know,
like it just shouldn't be available.

Speaker 2 (43:53):
Like if your son called you up and was like, hey, Dad,
I'm betting on Abdul's over under sack total for this.

Speaker 3 (44:00):
What do you think of this?

Speaker 2 (44:01):
She'd probably be like, wait what wait, wait.

Speaker 3 (44:04):
What do you mean? You know how long I paid
your bills for brouh keep your money in your bank account? Damn.
That is crazy, though, that is crazy to think like
college athletes being able to just gamble. Yeah, now with

(44:26):
that being said, I again, I played blackjack when I
was in college. Not much, not often, but I did
play blackjack, you know what I mean? Like I gambled
you counting cards and wearing act ray glasses. I wasn't
a I've never been a degenerate gambler though, so but

(44:47):
I'm just saying, I'm saying you shouldn't be able to
gamble and bet. But I was playing blackjack in college.
Like if I went somewhere on like spring break or whatever,
and they had a casino, I'd go play. I go
play blackjacks, some hands of blackjack. Now, if I'm looking

(45:08):
at it from that casual perspective, is it so wrong?
Like if you're playing Devil's Advocate to it? Is it
so wrong to say, Hey, you know, I bet on
I bet on this football game. I'm a fan of
the team, or you know, I feel like I'm good at,
you know, predicting games and stuff like that. I want
to I want to throw a couple of dollars down.

(45:30):
I mean, how how out of control? That is crazy?
How that is crazy? That Black and Drag is black
and drack? Is I've seen sound black and drack? Is it?
I've seen of our black and drag?

Speaker 2 (45:45):
Somebody eyed LaVar and I for Black and Drag and
they actually got our faces on that.

Speaker 3 (45:51):
That's disturbed. I'm gonna have to see this one. That's disturbing.
It's actually upsetting, really it really is? Is it too
good or is it terrifying? Yeah, I'm not that tan.
It's just oh nibble. I'm so mad at them for that.
All right, I'm done with my point is Oh my God.

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(47:18):
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p Petros.

Speaker 3 (47:34):
Good morning, Hello, sir, Good morning, Hello. How you doing.
I'm all right, I guess I guess that's cool.

Speaker 7 (47:41):
Kind of tired of going to Dodger Stadium every day
with all the fanfare and hoopla and chaos because it's
a world series, but that's.

Speaker 3 (47:49):
Part of the job.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
I was going to ask you, what was that scene
like yesterday?

Speaker 7 (47:52):
In comparison to keep a little more subdued, the media
showed up later because well, everybody was up so late
and so many people. Even though LA gets a pretty
bad rap about showing up late and leaving early, I
don't think people really understand the urban sprawl that we
live in and in Los Angeles, generally from outside the area.

(48:16):
But given that stigma that LA has people, I think
it was something like eighty percent ninety percent retention of
the people that stayed. Everybody that I know, including the
CEO of iHeartRadio, stayed all the way until midnight. So

(48:36):
the next day was a little more subdued vibe, but
still chaotic and still hard to get in and out.

Speaker 3 (48:44):
But it's great.

Speaker 7 (48:45):
I mean, the CLA in the World Series to have
the World Series at Dodger Stadium and have it I
guess since we've had the Dodgers, which has been way
over a decade and a half since we've had the
Dodgers on the station, I think they've been to five
World Series. Wow, which is just crazy because you could

(49:06):
work with or from a baseball organization for thirty years
and never even sniff it, maybe not even the playoffs.
And to see what the Dodgers have accomplished and to
kind of take it for granted I guess that these
games are going to happen all the time is pretty remarkable.
And then the fact that people are scared to leave

(49:29):
because something historic might happen, like it did with Otani
in the NLCS, like it did with Yamamoto out in Toronto.
You just don't know what's going to happen, or an
eighteen inning game, which so rarely happens but has happened
twice now with the Dodgers in the World Series since
we've had them, So there's a lot to it.

Speaker 3 (49:49):
And it's historic and a lot of fun.

Speaker 7 (49:51):
But as you know, I'm a curmudget In's football season,
so I get a little over it. But they are,
They're in it. They're in a real fight with the
Blue Jays, and we'll see what happens tonight.

Speaker 3 (50:03):
You know, I hate to keep the conversation of baseball
going because I mean, I'm very limited in how I
feel about baseball, but I will say I do watch
the playoffs, and I do watch the World Series. Do
you feel like this like like nature got it right
with this matchup? I mean, to two, it didn't look

(50:24):
like you know, it doesn't look like anybody's going to
just run away with the series. I mean, and then
you get the almost historic run in terms of innings
for the extra ending innings needed to win the game. Petros,
what like to me, do you think that this is
like this is a good World Series even though it
wasn't two major markets and obviously one not even being

(50:47):
in America.

Speaker 7 (50:48):
Well, I mean, the Dodgers are one of the blue
bloods of baseball and they represent almost the entire West Coast,
so people are gonna.

Speaker 3 (50:59):
Grab ate toward that.

Speaker 7 (51:00):
And then you have the Otani factor, which is gigantic,
which is sort of like the Taylor Swift factor last
year for the NFL or the year before or whatever,
where it's like, you didn't think the NFL could get
any more popular, and then here's another twenty five million
people around the world because of Taylor Swift, which is

(51:23):
sad but true. And there's a reason they show her
every time she's at a game. It's because they know
they have you. They're trying to get somebody else in
your house to be watching because they know you are
going to keep watching no matter how many times they
show Taylor Swift. It's a little different with Otani because
he's a player, but what Otwanni brought. I just didn't

(51:46):
think the Dodgers could become more popular, and then Otani
came to the Dodgers and it.

Speaker 3 (51:51):
Was like, wow, they can become more popular.

Speaker 7 (51:55):
So the Dodgers being part of it is a huge
shot in the arm for Fox. Toronto, I guess is
a big market. I don't know much about it. I've
only been to the airport there and I know it's
a city full of ravines and I used to watch
Degrassy Junior High a lot as a young man, but Toronto.

Speaker 3 (52:16):
Yes, yeah, he played Jimmy Brooks. He was in a wheelchairs,
Aubrey he was.

Speaker 7 (52:21):
Shot in the Yeah, Degrassi When I was a kid.
First it was called I think de Grassy Street in
the eighties. It was like a Canadian public television show
about young people and they really did go there, like
glue sniffing and sex and everything. And then they had

(52:42):
a Degrassy Junior High. Then they had like de Grassy High,
and then it went away for ten years, and then
it was Degrassi the Next Generation, which had some of
the people from the old shows as adults and the
people that were kids or there kids. And Jimmy Brooks

(53:02):
aka Aubrey Graham aka Drake was yeah on the show
and one of the main characters, and he did get
shot and was in a wheelchair for maybe three or
four seasons. It went for like another twelve or fifteen years.
But sadly, I even have a Degrassy tattoo. Really you don't, yeah, yeah,

(53:24):
I do, really yep.

Speaker 2 (53:26):
Really, So basically it was like Saved by the Bell,
but with the potential of a slut appearing in an episode,
yeah or death. Okay, now where's the tattoo. I was
about to ask, where's the location?

Speaker 7 (53:37):
If the tattoo is from the first line of the
song for Degrassi the Next Generation?

Speaker 3 (53:43):
Can I guess it? Go ahead, whatever it takes.

Speaker 7 (53:47):
Correct, But I have three dots after the takes well
that you know there's going to be another I know
I could.

Speaker 3 (53:53):
Make it through. Yeah right, Oh god? Was Drake's character?
Was Drake's character basis? If I do?

Speaker 2 (54:00):
Was it based in that show? Was it based off
Chris from Boys in the Hood? It was in a wheelchair?

Speaker 7 (54:06):
Well, he was a basketball player, but he wasn't that
big of a baller.

Speaker 3 (54:09):
You know, it's not like he was. You know, this
is us against Bannick.

Speaker 7 (54:13):
You know, it's Crenchaw high running back being recruited by
USC A little different.

Speaker 3 (54:19):
Lynnwood's problem. Who you got I'm gonna go to NFL.
Who you got as the LA team? And do you
the Raiders?

Speaker 7 (54:30):
Hell?

Speaker 3 (54:30):
Yeah, no, no, yeah, true, I live here, I'm here
my whole life. Bring him back to the Collie's this
to the face. They certainly are not the team right now.

Speaker 7 (54:44):
Boob missiled up and raiderrets in nineteen eighty five.

Speaker 3 (54:47):
Yeah, let's go Matusac and Alzado and all those like
I like, I like those. You know, Charlie Garner, Uh
huh oh no, he was shifty Charlie Garner with a
beats on the Yeah. But what team do you have?
Like are you? Is it the Chargers season? Is it
the Rams? They don't care. They look both period. They

(55:09):
both look pretty good.

Speaker 7 (55:10):
The Rams are better than the Chargers, I think, But
the Chargers.

Speaker 3 (55:13):
Had been beat up. I mean, I feel bad.

Speaker 7 (55:15):
We interviewed Rayshawn Slater and then like ten hours later
his leg fell off.

Speaker 3 (55:20):
So everybody blames us.

Speaker 7 (55:22):
But the Chargers, if they're around, they have healthy tackles.
Those guys are great, Alt and Slater and obviously they're
well coached.

Speaker 3 (55:32):
I don't know what's going on with their defense.

Speaker 7 (55:34):
Their defenses had trouble stopping people, and their defense was
supposed to be really special. And Derwin James and guys
like that, and Justin Herbert, of course, there's always an
argument about him and is he good in the fourth quarter?
And it's Madison beer good for him? They were sitting
next to Bieber at the UH at the Dodger game

(55:54):
two nights ago.

Speaker 2 (55:55):
She's a she's what good get for him?

Speaker 3 (56:00):
Good. Get for Justin Bieber, No, for Justin Herbert. He did, well,
she's to hail from the isle ye Lesbos, she did. Yeah,
but uh, yeah we had this conversation the last time.
Oh yeah we talked about the island. Yes we did.
Uh where it came from and everything, all of sapphic

(56:21):
love Let's go. But I do not. I do not.

Speaker 7 (56:25):
Really, I don't adhere to any NFL team. I'm not
and I was when I was a kid. I loved
the Chiefs because I loved acoy A, and I loved
Barry Word and Steve de Bergh.

Speaker 3 (56:37):
Yeah, but I'm not. I'm not a fan of any
NFL team.

Speaker 7 (56:42):
I enjoy watching NFL football from time to time, but
there's a lot of football in my life on Saturdays.
But I I don't think LA has a team. I
think the Rams are obviously excellent and really well coached
by a little tiny guy that sounds like Tony Robbins
with On Gruden's voice.

Speaker 3 (57:01):
Huh.

Speaker 7 (57:02):
And McVeigh does an absolute stellar job. I mean, there's
no doubt about it. And as annoying as Kelly Stafford is,
you have to give Matt Stafford his props, and you
have to give Puka Nakua, who we all knew is
a big recruit for USC, and then he played at
Washington and then BYU I saw him a bunch of

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college and talked to him. He's a great guy, great kid.
So you have to give the Rams credit. The Chargers
are obviously decent. I think that people thinking they were
a super Bowl team when the year started and they
beat the Chiefs and all that were maybe a little
bit premature because the Chiefs now look like the best
team in football. So and obviously the Colts are really good,

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and they came down here and blew the Chargers' doors off.
They couldn't stop them. The Chargers just couldn't stop them defensively.
So I'm not really sure. But as far as what
people really gravitate for in La adults, it's the Raiders.
But that being said, the Chargers and the Rams they're here.
They're not going anywhere. The NFL wants them here. The

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NFL's built a hub for themselves in Inglewood with so Fi.
They made that rich god build so Fi Kronky, and
they made him take the Chargers for one dollar a year.
So everybody got a sweetheart deal there. Because of Kronky,
and Kronky's deal was, hey, we let you move this
team out of Saint Louis.

Speaker 3 (58:24):
So they're not going anywhere.

Speaker 7 (58:27):
So the play for the Chargers and the Rams is
for our kids. They're not looking for guys like us
who are either transient. LA is a town of people
who are transplants, and they're not looking for us to
buy a Ram shirt or anything like that. They want

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our kids to be into the Ram or the Chargers.

Speaker 2 (58:51):
Also, wouldn't you think that the Cowboys probably have more
of a fan base here than even the Rams of
the Chargers do. It's always felt like to me that
it was Raiders, Cowboys, and then Rams.

Speaker 3 (59:02):
I think it's fair.

Speaker 7 (59:03):
Fair to argue that. I mean, when I was a
kid in the eighties, the Rams moved from LA down
to Orange County, and that made him sort of like
the Angels to a lot of people. They used to
be right in LA and when they moved, I think
it changed a lot of the dynamic the way people

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looked at him. But you're right, I mean you could
there's bars for any There's Jacksonville Jaguar bars all over
southern California that people can go and watch a Jaguars
game because we're an area of transplants and a lot
of people from out of town.

Speaker 2 (59:40):
Twenty years there was no NFL team here, so there's
right fans of all random teams all around the league
in southern California and.

Speaker 3 (59:48):
It's like London. Yeah, it really iss. Hey, you want
to go to Wembley or something. You know, at least
LA transplants know what they're looking at. I mean it's
a little different than your they'd be chair for every
single thing that have is because they don't. I don't tell.

(01:00:09):
I think they know everything that's going on.

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
I remember as a kid out here, like just to
think about the Cowboys because you mentioned, you know, the
Chargers and the Rams, the plays for the kids. I
remember as a kid the Cowboys were out in Thousand Oaks.
They had their training camp a Thousand Oaks, and growing up,
the youth football team was the Canao Cowboys in the
Cano Valley like that was that was just the tea

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it was.

Speaker 3 (01:00:33):
They were at.

Speaker 7 (01:00:34):
Kalou and the Kowlou locker room had the giant star
on the carpet. Yeah, I've been in there, so yeah,
that's part of it, especially where you're from, in Ventura County.
And then you have to think the Cowboys, you know,
quote unquote America's team, and the fact that they're constantly
on television. That's totally understandable and believable, and I think

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that you'd have a pretty you'd have a pretty good
argument putting that Mark Twain in the water and seeing
that there are more Cowboys supporters than maybe Rams or Chargers.
It doesn't mean those teams aren't making a buttload of
money and that the stadium's not full. It just might
not be full of Ram fans or Charger fans. But

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either way, I think they're very comfortable with the play
that football is back in LA. But you're absolutely right.
La has been a melting pot for football fandom for
quite some time.

Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
We were talking about this earlier. Petro's pet excuse me,
Petros Papadegas with us here on Fox Sports Radio. But
we were talking about this earlier. Petros the on November one,
this upcoming Saturday, college athletes are going to be allowed
to gamble on professional sports. Pat n Ardoozy was very
critical of it. Greg Sank, the SEC Commissioner, has said,

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what are we doing here? This doesn't make any sense,
and we were trying to figure out why, like why
this would even be allowed that they couldn't already do
it if they found a buddy or somebody in a frat.
But what's your best guess as to why now all
of a sudden jammed in on November first, on a Saturday.
They're like, you know what, college athletes go ahead and

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bet on professional Yeah, listen, don't.

Speaker 3 (01:02:16):
Yeah, I don't know. It's weird. Yeah, the whole thing
is weird.

Speaker 7 (01:02:21):
It's such a weird kind of diversion from the way
that I was quote unquote raised. I didn't go to
school to be a journalist. I'm certainly not a journalist now,
But I didn't go to school to be a broadcaster.

Speaker 3 (01:02:36):
Let's just put it like that.

Speaker 7 (01:02:37):
I guess I did to a certain degree because at
USC I was interviewed a whole bunch and that ended
up becoming my media career. So I guess I went
to school just by being a football player. And in
that regard, LaVar probably did a thousand times more than
me because of the level of player he was and
how much attention he got. So you could say that

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he had media training without having media training, same with Brady.
So I guess what I'm saying is the first thing
I did when I was in the media the people
that mentored me, is hammer into my head that gambling
and talking about gambling and being associated with gambling or
anything like that was radioactive, and that the information I

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had from my coaches meetings and all the different stuff
I did was in no way to be disseminated in
any other way than to be entertaining and to not
give anybody tips about it. Was very staunch and a
very very very strong line. And of course Vegas was
a whole different deal. You could go to Vegas, but

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I know the NFL discouraged their players from going there
for many many years, even though they couldn't make them
not go, and you couldn't even bet you and LV
in town and there was no pro sports. Well, Vegas
now is not only a pro sports town, but UNLV
is an up and coming program playing an allegiance not
even swallowed up by the big stadium like you see

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UCLA or UCF was, or Tulane or Houston was. They've
all except for UCLA, those schools have moved to smaller
campus stadiums and thrived. So you look at Vegas and
it's just a totally different deal. Everybody's taking money from DraftKings,
including me. You know, if they ask us to read commercials,

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we do it. They pay us or fan duel or whatever.
The line has become deeply, deeply blurred. So I understand
why there's more problems and why the touch of a
button on your phone can get so many young people
who are athletes in trouble. And I don't think the

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leagues are going to stop take that's already found money,
right the tens of millions or hundreds of millions of
dollars they're getting an advertising money. I mean ESPN has
betting site, Fox does. So the line is really really
blurry now, and I guess it's going to get more blurry.
Since we talked about Europe. I mean you could always

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in stadium bet games in Europe. There's kiosks and things
like that, and I suppose that's the model we're headed towards.
But it's going to lead to a lot of a
mucked up situation when it comes to young people and
athletes and devices and gambling and all that stuff. I
think we are just hitting the tip of the Iceberg.

(01:05:30):
I think the integrity and the credibility of the NBA
is going to be very much in question as the
FBI continues to look into this stuff. And I mean,
the Tim Donnaheath thing probably should have tipped us off
a long time ago. But I agree that it's weird.
I don't know other than the fact that everybody's taken
big advertising money from gambling companies. I don't know why else.

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It's not like there's a billion people playing college foot ball.
You can you can prevent these guys from gambling, or
at least tell them they're not allowed to. And I
don't think it's going to take a dent out of
the companies, you.

Speaker 3 (01:06:09):
Know what I mean?

Speaker 7 (01:06:10):
So you're right, I don't really understand why other than
the fact that it's no longer taboo in our society.

Speaker 3 (01:06:18):
Where does the before let you go?

Speaker 2 (01:06:20):
Obviously Brian Kelly the latest casualty Lane Kiffin.

Speaker 7 (01:06:24):
Yeah, I thought Brandy was going to be here and
we're going to be able to find out how big
of an.

Speaker 3 (01:06:27):
A hole that guy.

Speaker 2 (01:06:28):
It's just like it does it does feel like And
Kirby Smart made the point where he said, look, man,
now you know it. All of a sudden, there's more voices,
there's more people with influence, and if you're not winning,
you know, a college football playoff, then all of a
sudden everything is deemed to be a failure. Is this
just are we now venturing into You're no longer going

(01:06:51):
to have your Mike Gundy's, your Kirk Farences like this
is going to be basically similar to the NFL, to
where it's going to be two three years and done.
And if you don't produce your out in college football,
That's what it feels like.

Speaker 7 (01:07:03):
I can't speak to the Franklin situation, obviously, the var
is very close to that. And I didn't I mean
I didn't know him personally. We dealt with the team
a few times and didn't feel warm and fuzzy. Let's
just put it like that, and that's okay, But it
seems like and when it comes to Brian Kelly, if

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you rub people the wrong way.

Speaker 3 (01:07:26):
And you come off like a bad guy.

Speaker 7 (01:07:30):
Somebody's gonna come and buy you out the second that
they are allowed to. It seems like that now and
building equity within a program, being a nicer guy, being
more of a mentor to young people. Does that help you,
Probably a little bit. But if you're a guy like
Brian Kelly and you start to slip at a place

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like LSU, and obviously that's very unique, but they're gonna
come and get you. And if you're an a hole,
they're probably going to come and get you a few
weeks before they normally would have. But you're absolutely right, Jonas.
The dynamic of the college football playoff I believe changes
a lot of things to where if they know in

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October or September that you're not going to make the
playoff and they have somebody willing to buy you out,
which seems like that, but that's not very different than
it's always been the buyout thing. It's I mean, there's
a reason Lane Kiffin got fired on a tarmac at USC.
Why would anybody do that other than the fact that
a booster made you do it. If you need to

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fire him, fine fire him the next day. He's the
USC football coach. He didn't break any laws, he's.

Speaker 3 (01:08:41):
Not a criminal. He lost, Yeah you don't.

Speaker 7 (01:08:44):
Yeah, you don't have to fire him on the tarmac
and never let him back in the building. They created
this whole mythology of mismanagement just because a booster, and
I know who it was, told him to do it.
And that's not in the era of the twelve team playoff.

Speaker 3 (01:09:02):
Or anything like that.

Speaker 7 (01:09:03):
That was just them losing a bad game at Arizona
State to Todd Graham and giving up fifty five points.
So it's always been the case where if a booster
gets pissed and it's somebody who gives tens of millions
or one hundred million dollars to the school, then they're
gonna probably do what the guy says or a lady,
And that's not changed that much. Maybe it's a little

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more prevalent, like Kirby Smart said, but I think it
has more to do with the playoff, And I also
think it has to do like it used to be
in recruiting, you'd have to think like three years in
advance about your offensive line. You'd have to think about
make sure your defensive backfield was shored up with high
school kids and people like that. Maybe some JC guys

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was the route that you wanted to take if you
needed a quick fix, and that's not the case anymore.
With the transfer portal, you can shore up your whole
team if you do it right in a one off season.
So what guys like Kirk Signetti have done, it's the
unthinkable at a place like Indiana that they could just
all of a sudden, as a football mausoleum, stand up

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and become one of the best teams in the country,
if not the best, and dominate people and destroy lesser
teams and show no mercy in Indiana. If Signetti can
do that, then what kind of excuse does Lincoln Riley
or guy like that have who's been somewhere for four
or five years and is still mediocre. So people see

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that and with the portal and what you can do,
and they'll pull the trigger.

Speaker 3 (01:10:35):
On you faster.

Speaker 7 (01:10:36):
So there are reasons, and I feel bad for assistant
coaches and families. I don't feel bad for these head coaches,
correct they get I agree, yeah, they make one hundred
million dollars and then everybody feels bad for them. I
don't care. I care about the assistants and their families.
Of course, that's the life they've chosen that, not the families,
but the assistants, And I do care. That's a terrible

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part of this. But other than that, I'm not going
to sit here and play a violin for people like
Brian Kelly. Forget it, who cares?

Speaker 2 (01:11:07):
Petros popinak is. He is the co host of the
Petros and Money Show, which you can hear on at
the Blowtorch AM five to seventy LA Sports Fox College
football Analyst.

Speaker 3 (01:11:15):
By the way, which game you got this weekend? Petros,
I'm not good enough to work this weekend. Oh there's
my Degrassi song.

Speaker 7 (01:11:21):
But next weekend I have a What I'm having because
of the baseball is a lot of weeks off and
then double up, double up, week off, double up, double up.

Speaker 3 (01:11:31):
You know that's the way the year is going to be.

Speaker 7 (01:11:33):
So next week I have I'm going to Orlando, where
I've never been, to see UCF play Houston, one of
the best teams in the Big twelve. Houston's a lot
of fun under Willie Fritz. And then I'll come home
and do a UNLV Colorado State. So I got that
going for me.

Speaker 3 (01:11:48):
And then.

Speaker 7 (01:11:51):
Yeah, and then the Dodgers, you know, we have all that,
and then not only that, but my colleagues are going
to take over for at six o'clock. That's still going scam, Yeah,
Sax and Kate's in.

Speaker 3 (01:12:03):
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Speaker 7 (01:12:05):
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Speaker 3 (01:12:10):
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Speaker 7 (01:12:15):
Yeah, but it's not just solely Dodger program No, it's
not right. So you guys aren't just folks. But if
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there is there is a workaround nationally on the iHeartRadio
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Speaker 3 (01:12:36):
Other than that, it's Dan Patrick.

Speaker 2 (01:12:38):
All right, well, Pat Jaguars, we will love we will
do it again next week. There he is, the Great
Patrick's papadas with us here sounds horrible though, it's

Speaker 3 (01:12:49):
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