November 4, 2025 • 40 mins
The guys react to Dan Quinn taking the blame for Jayden Daniels' severe injury and explain why the culture in Washington has gotten out of control. Is Kevin Stefanski's job in trouble after handing off the playcalling duties? Plus, a surprising MVP candidate has emerged out of the NFC.
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Speaker 2 (01:08):
All right, So we talked a little bit yesterday.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
About the Jade and Daniels injury, the dislocated elbow. He's
out indefinitely, and the question afterwards was about, you know,
why was he in the game at that point, and
you know, should he have been taken out of the
game earlier with it being such a wipeout and risking
his health, et cetera, et cetera. Well, Dan Quinn, the
Commander's head coach, spoke yesterday and accepted responsibility for that decision.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
I know many of you have been asking about the
thought process of Jaden being in the game in that situation.
Speaker 5 (01:45):
I get that.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
I've been thinking about honestly NonStop two and you know,
for me, the answers man, I missed it, but I would,
you know, hopefull you.
Speaker 5 (01:52):
On my thought process.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
At start of the fourth Core, I guess it was
probably like twelve and a half minutes left in the game,
and that was gonna be the last try for a
couple of guys Jayden and Zach and Debo and LT
and so we're gonna have any read run plays and
meaning no carries, you know, for the quarterback on a run,
and honestly, man, that's where I missed it. Of course
he could scramble.
Speaker 5 (02:15):
It's Jaden. It's what he's special at.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
And that is one hundred percent that's on me.
Speaker 6 (02:19):
So that's what he's specialized scrambling. Well, yeah, to me,
that's the bigger that's the bigger point of all of this.
You don't need to take the blame for a player
that got injured doing what they're special at, doing what
am I and I get the conventional wisdom of saying, Okay,
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the game's out of reach, like pull your starters out.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
I get that, but he didn't. He played his starters.
Speaker 6 (02:46):
Like it's always going to be an easy point of
reference and contention if something like this happens.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Like, but I mean, the man's a coach. He's got
to coach his team.
Speaker 7 (02:58):
And so so let me ask you this because this
is kind of what like went through my head watching
it and then even it as we talked a little
bit about yesterday, we didn't have time to fully discuss,
but we talk about taking out your starters.
Speaker 5 (03:09):
You can only take out so many like we do
this in.
Speaker 7 (03:11):
Preseason two, or react like oh yeah, the backups are
all in.
Speaker 5 (03:15):
Well, okay, your roster size is a.
Speaker 7 (03:16):
Bit bigger then, but once you get to the regular season, like, dude,
you dressed forty six.
Speaker 5 (03:21):
You can't pull everyone.
Speaker 7 (03:22):
There's not some sort of whole change, like all the
backups are in, Like you don't dress that many guys.
So I do wonder as a head coach when you
look at where Washington's been, where they've struggled offensively, and
some people had said, well, maybe there's the thought of
trying to get them into a rhythm, or maybe there's
the thought of just trying to get him one decent series,
get a touchdown, trying to get something going out of
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that game because.
Speaker 5 (03:44):
They played so poorly.
Speaker 7 (03:47):
But I also wonder, like in the locker room, you
got other starters who are going to sit in there
and have to battle and have to finish out the game. Yeah,
like how do you view it, like if your starter
comes out, how does your mind that change? Because now,
as a defender, like there's probably not many chances, like
many opportunities where you're sitting there thinking to yourself, I
need to protect myself to make sure I get out
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of this game healthy, because clearly we're throwing in the
white towel.
Speaker 6 (04:11):
But I'm still out here. You're told to fight for
sixty minutes. You're told to lock in and dial in.
If we were to look around the league we talked
about last week prior to this one, how how not
can non competitive? These games were and teams were getting
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beat by multiple possessions. How many of those quarterbacks finished
the game? You know, it's so easy to stop and
flash a big light on, oh my gosh, this coach
left their player in, he ends up getting hurt. What
are you doing? You should have pulled him out? Like,
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look around the league. How many quarterbacks that had two
possession games, two possession leads, you know, deficits that they
had to overcome, finished out the game.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
I don't think we need to even.
Speaker 6 (05:05):
Overthink it, the idea of saying, oh, you should have
pulled him, you should have pulled him, Like it's season,
we're in season.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
He's playing the game and he hasn't played that much.
I don't even care if he hasn't.
Speaker 6 (05:20):
If anything, if he hasn't played that much, I'm be like, Okay,
maybe he's tired. Let me give him, let me give
him a play count, because he could be tired, let
me inch him back in. But if he's up and
running and he's full go, why would you, as a
coach even give that too much thought of We're going
from whistle to whistle for four quarters. It's the regular season,
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it's not preseason. So why do why do I have
to be scrutinized. I mean, you get why scrutinized. It's
the profession, it's part of it. But you don't have
You didn't have anybody else coming out in rage. Oh
my gosh, they had the starter in at the end
of the game, and they weren't. They clearly had no
chance of winning the game. Well, remember it was Carson
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Wentz last week who defended the Vikings and defended Kevin
O'Connell and them and said, no, they did not. This
is not on them. I wanted to stay in the game.
I knew what the risk that comes along with this.
It was my choice to stay in.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
I was in pain and basically defended the organization because
there were some people who are like, well, man, he's
clearly in pain. Why is he still out there? And
then he ends up having season ending surgery? You know
the a few days later, the part that bugs me
about this, and I'm not surprised to.
Speaker 6 (06:35):
Say what My next point was, I hope you say
what I think it is good? Well I do, and
say it with your chest. Well, yeah, it's not going
to be what I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
I don't like that dan Quinn basically caved to the
soft narrative that was put out because of Jaden Daniels's injury. Like,
I don't like the fact that dan Quinn had to
come out. And I'm not surprised because I know he's
a stand up guy and he's a good dude. But
the fact that he came out and accepted responsibility for
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a quarterback getting injured in an NFL game, why because
people were asking, well, what is he still doing in there? Well,
he hasn't played that much. They're trying to get some
sort of a rhythm on offense. I know it's a blowout,
but he's got to get some reps and he's got
to he's got to get back into the swing of
things somehow. Marshaun Lattimore LaVar brought this up yesterday. He
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tore his acl I mean, is that dan Quinn's fault too?
Like it is our guys getting injured in the fourth
quarter of games that are out of reach. Is that
the coach's fault because they get injured or is that
just the fact that it's football. It's it's basic sanction violence,
and you're gonna fall and land awkwardly from time to
time and bad things are going to happen. The fact
that dan Quinn had to come out and apologize and
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accept response or take responsibility, I think it's a bad
look and I think it kind of presents him as
a Hey, if you uh, if you talk loud enough
and you uh and you make enough noise, he's gonna
cave to the narratives out there and have to speak
on it out.
Speaker 6 (08:02):
Can I ask you, guys, one serious question? Absolutely not okay,
never mind question. Okay, Why is there no scrutiny on
the decision making of Jaydon Daniels in this situation the
game is out of reach, You clearly cannot win the game.
(08:24):
That's that's the narrative that that is driving the outrage
and the backlash of the decision making of the head
coach because if he doesn't play hard, then he gets
the Cam Newton treatment and he never lives down the fashion.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
So if he throws the ball away.
Speaker 6 (08:39):
If he if he throws the ball away or hands
the ball off, because if I recall my recollection from
what dan Quinn said, it was usually he hands the
ball off in this situation or throws it to the flat.
So if it's throwing it to the flat, he can
easily throw it away. It garbage time. Hand the ball off.
(09:02):
I don't care if you lose five yards running hand
the hand the ball off.
Speaker 7 (09:08):
I get it, like I understand what you're saying, and
I think that comes with playing more and like time
in the League of maturity, where there's a saying like
live to play the next down, because you will not
survive if you keep trying to play outside the pocket
for so many plays. Eventually you'll get hurt, either via
(09:30):
a hit ear either via just unfortunate unluck, you know,
not being lucky enough to be able to get down
or side, whatever the case is. Bad things happen outside
the pocket. In the pocket, enough bad things happen, but
at least you're protected, so defenders know and they have
to let up to some degree, and they have to
hit you a certain way to some you know.
Speaker 5 (09:49):
So it changes.
Speaker 7 (09:51):
But eventually that comes The hard thing about what you're saying,
LeVar is you don't want to take out that competitiveness
in him. And again, he hasn't played that much, so
there's an element two of him wanting to get back
out there and play the way he's accustomed to. So
it's it's complicated. You could see it from both sides.
(10:14):
But I do hate the fact.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
I'm not upset at it.
Speaker 6 (10:17):
I don't know and I'm not I'm not attacking Jaydon
Daniels for it. All I'm saying is is if it
was clearly important enough for Jaydon Daniels to scramble and
pull the ball down in that minute in his mind
to create what he was going to create, what do
people have a problem for, Like, I haven't heard one
person really sit there and be like, why do he
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pull the ball down and start scrambling. It's not that
it's his fault, it's you don't have to come up
with justification.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
He was doing his job. It's he was doing it.
It's just football.
Speaker 5 (10:55):
It's what I said yesterday, It's it's football.
Speaker 7 (10:57):
We can dissect this whole decision from Dan Quinn, from
Jane Daniels, it's football.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Correct injuries happen.
Speaker 6 (11:03):
Correct injuries are gonna happen, and that's unfortunate that it happened.
It was grotesque, It was upsetting to watch it take place.
It's your franchise, guy.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
I get it.
Speaker 6 (11:14):
But if that, like we said, you said, Marshaun Lattimore,
if that was any other player on that field doesn't
get this type of attention, does it get this type
of vitriol coming back from it? If that's the case,
and then you'll wonder why the culture is. And then
you heard Dak Prescott touching on it because they're one
of those types of franchises that that's the way the
(11:36):
media covers like people may not understand this because they
may be so far removed from the old days, but
the media was actually supposed to be your your conduit
to market, advertise and promote the product. These guys used
to go out after games, smoke jacks together, drink beers together.
(11:58):
Sometimes you drank two much. I'll drop you off. Hey,
get say hi to the wife by first name.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Get them in.
Speaker 6 (12:06):
Maybe it's the local police officer, he drops both of
you off. You guys are at the local pub having
some pops after the freaking game and y'all had a relationship.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
There was an unwritten rule.
Speaker 6 (12:19):
That the relationship between the media and the players and
the organizations was imperative to the health.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Of the sport of the game.
Speaker 6 (12:29):
Not to tear them down, Not to look for these
angles that are so polarizing and just so sensationalized that
you're actually destroying. You're destroying the reputation of the coach,
You're destroying the reputation of the organization. Apologize, that's not
what this is for. You know what they should have
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been saying. This is a team that was one game
away from getting to the super Bowl the year before.
The Clearly the approach that dan Quinn has brought to
a team that had struggled and suffered for many many
moons before he got here, it's clearly something that's working.
Focus in on. Okay, it's unfortunate that he got hurt,
(13:11):
But dan Quinn, this new ownership group, they seemingly brought
a new energy that has rejuvenated the organization and the franchise.
Why are you slipping back into your old ways of
how to cover and how to do these things? And
then now it turns into an adversarial relationship between the
media and the organization.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Why do you think dan Quinn did it?
Speaker 6 (13:35):
Why do you get thinks they have to put that
much apologize because it's the nation's capital. That's the way
they bro They like the only the only media market
that's worse on handling. Well, it could be Philly too,
but but New York is is unforgiving and that's just
But you go into it understanding that's what you signed
(13:57):
up for. The Washington DC media, I'm telling you, they
handle it like it's a White House address. I've seen
it firsthand. I lived in it. I was a part
of it. They covered the Washington football team like they
covered a president and a politics.
Speaker 5 (14:14):
Everton up to the podium next, please heal.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Hello everyone, Hello, Hello, good evening to you all.
Speaker 7 (14:20):
He's the chair of the Talking Smack Hitstick Talking Committee.
Speaker 6 (14:26):
I would certainly never go into the details of the
exchanges nor verbal contact that I've made with my opponents,
but I just like to say, respectfully, they played a
wonderful game. They you know, for us, we can stand
to get better. I mean, how amazing were they? Like
you just have to be unassuming give the other team
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credit for what it is that they did it, and
even if they didn't do it, still give them credit. Underplay,
under deliver yourselves and keep it moving. And it's so
generic and it's so blak, but it's necessary because these
cats look for these weird ass angles to be able
to present the team.
Speaker 5 (15:07):
Can I be honest with you.
Speaker 7 (15:11):
One of the most disheartening things as as a competitor, though,
is having to play out a game where you know
you cannot win. Like you get to a point where
you're like, we're not able to score that many times
with this amount of time left, and you know that,
unfortunately was the position that they were in.
Speaker 5 (15:29):
It It's it's terrible to be playing out the game
that way, right.
Speaker 7 (15:32):
It's like you know, like like you're watching this this
death come at the at the end.
Speaker 5 (15:37):
You know it's coming. You can't stop it. There's nothing
you can do about it.
Speaker 7 (15:41):
And like I remember we played Baltimore on Monday night
football and we got to a point where we you know,
we weren't able to come back. There's just like two
little time left, We're down by a couple scores or
a few scores, and our play caller at the time
had called in a play that you would kind of
run more like a two minute situation, and I'll never forget.
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I was like, I think I even told Josh Cribs this.
I was like, please, Josh, just get down. I was like,
just don't you know, because Josh Cribs was the type
that whether he was a special teams returner or as
a receiver, he was so good to yards after contact,
yards after the catch, just trying to get, you know,
something more out of it. And I think I said
in the huddles, I just get down, whatever, just get down.
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I'm like, do not try to extend this. And sure enough,
like it was one of those kind of like throw
the slant kind of pitching around back where he got
like put to sleep. Now, I was like it was
a kick return I think was the one. This wasn't
a kick return. This was on This was on Monday,
the football versus Baltimore. But I just remember like the
whole play play out, and I was like, man, like,
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this is worst case scenario.
Speaker 5 (16:52):
Because he gets injured. You lose one of your best players.
Speaker 7 (16:55):
I don't know, you know, who knows, you know, how
severe it is, what's happening, and like and it wasn't necessary.
We could have just ran the damn ball, and I
kept thinking in my head, I should just check to
a run, like there's no point in that case. But
the problem is as a coach, like you know, they're
at a tough spot too, like if they basically a
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knowledge defeat, regardless of what point it's at, he's gonna
be up at that podium talking about something else that's
gonna involve like his job and.
Speaker 6 (17:23):
All of that. The angles, that's the angles. Adversarial coverage,
that's the angle.
Speaker 7 (17:28):
And when you lose, it doesn't matter. At the end
of the day, there's always gonna be something they're gonna
they're gonna try to target and talk to you to
pick at. It's always gonna be about how you lost.
Everything else. I can't tell you how many times we
won and I came back like, yeah, but I should
have done this or we should have done.
Speaker 5 (17:44):
This, and the media never asked about it.
Speaker 7 (17:46):
They don't ask about those like critical mistakes you actually
made in a win.
Speaker 5 (17:51):
It's only in a loss. And so that's the hard.
Speaker 7 (17:54):
Part about even this whole, this whole conversation is dan
Quinn was gonna have to answer to something if it
wasn't Jade Daniels injury, it'd be something else. Maybe it
would have been a lot of More's injury. Maybe they
would have you know, pivoted to him. Maybe it would
have been something else that they did or didn't do.
But that's ultimately too. The other issue with all this
is that's what you sign up for as a head coach.
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You know, when you lose, it's there's always going to
be a critical angle and no matter what, nothing you
have done is going to be the right decision because
everyone's looking with twenty twenty vision, because they've got the
ability to look at a hindsight and judge every decision
you made. And the unfortunate reality to football to life
is that's not how decisions are made.
Speaker 5 (18:37):
You know.
Speaker 7 (18:37):
Obviously dan Quinn wouldn't have made the decision if he
knew he was gonna get hurt.
Speaker 5 (18:43):
That's easy to say.
Speaker 7 (18:44):
Now, That's that's part of my issue with all this
is like it's an easy position to be in the
media and then have to continually like Harp on this
point when it's a tough position for dan Quinn to
be in the second he pulls out Jane Daniels, they're
admitting defeat. The second he pulls out Jane Daniels and
someone else gets hurt. It's like, well, why don't you
pull that guy out?
Speaker 5 (19:03):
Why?
Speaker 7 (19:03):
Why don't you pull all the guys out? You know what,
why don't you just ask the end of the game
with ten minutes left in the fourth quarter. You know,
it's like, it's like you're in such a no win
position as a head coach, and that and that in
that particular scenario you can't win.
Speaker 6 (19:17):
You shouldn't have to tell your kid if there is
a fire fireplace that's lit, don't stick your hand in
the fireplace.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
You'll burn your hand.
Speaker 6 (19:30):
You shouldn't have to tell your kids things that common
sense wise, you just don't do. You stay away from it.
If you're at the end of a game and you're
getting blown out. This is something that you learn in
pee wee league. This is something that if you didn't
play pee wee league, you learn a high school level.
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If you played in college, you know in the college level,
if the game is out of reach, do not object
yourself to injury.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
And if you do, because you want to be considered the.
Speaker 6 (20:06):
Effort guy air quotes, you are the effort guy who
gives it. There all on every single play. There's nothing
wrong with you being that type of player. There is
nothing wrong with it. But you should not have to
tell a player in this scenario. Make sure you're careful
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with what you do. That's not quitting, that's not being
a lack of a competitor. That's being wise about the scenario.
It was a handoff or a pass, there's no reason
for you to try to extend to play none, and
that should be the If you're going to focus on
that one play, why are you scrambling with a game
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that's out of reach.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
So you're basically saying you need a handler.
Speaker 6 (20:57):
We're I mean, we make these these bold claims that, well,
quarterbacks are the most intelligent beings on the football field.
If you're so intelligent, then you understand and you know
in this scenario. In fact, let's be clear, look at
the way they call these games anymore. On any play,
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I don't care if it's the first play or the
last play, your thought process.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Should be, don't get hit. The game is.
Speaker 6 (21:27):
Structured for you to be protected and not be hurt
by hits like the one.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Jaydon Daniels took that and maybe ended his season.
Speaker 6 (21:38):
Don't take those types of hits, not now, not ever,
not any time period, and that's the end of the story.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Something that he does very well. He did it.
Speaker 6 (21:50):
He pulled the ball down, started moving, moving out of
the pocket, and he got caught. He got caught. Done close.
You don't have to sit there and act like a
grown ass man has to be babysat by his.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Goddang head coach.
Speaker 6 (22:07):
That man is coaching the game, and he has other
players that he's got to worry about as well.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Okay, it's your franchise quarterback.
Speaker 6 (22:13):
I get that, no shade, but I'm just saying, handing
the freaking ball off case, closed throw throw the incomplete
throw the flat you didn't get in the yards?
Speaker 2 (22:24):
So what is incomplete? So what what mess with your
QB are? So what?
Speaker 8 (22:31):
So?
Speaker 6 (22:32):
What? Like routine play shouldn't even be a conversation And
then you're right, Jonas, he should not have come out
and apologized for it. He said he ran it in
his head. Okay, great, you called to play fifty times.
He said, what fifty times out of fifty times you
run this play? It's a handoff four throw, Come on, man,
throw to the flat, which is quick throw to the flat.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Which is quick.
Speaker 6 (22:55):
Shame old commanders, I mean, that's what it sounds like.
At least they trying.
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(25:11):
the other storyline in the state of Ohio is the
Cleveland Browns from a football standpoint, and Kevin Stefanski has
decided he's no longer going to be calling plays instead
that I'll go to Tommy Reese, the offensive coordinator. Here
was Stefanski explaining the decision.
Speaker 10 (25:27):
It's never about one person, So whether it's you're talking
about a player or a coach, it's not about one person.
But obviously I think Tommy's gonna be himself and that's
what you know, I'm asking him to do, and I'll
be there every step of the way to help him
in any way I can, like like you should with
any play caller. But bottom line is he understands what
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we need to do, which is stay on the field
and score some points.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Beginning of the end. For Stefanski just a.
Speaker 7 (25:57):
Well, it's it's never good when you're an offensive and you,
you know, give up those.
Speaker 5 (26:02):
Play calling duties.
Speaker 7 (26:04):
You know, we can talk about whether or not as
a head coach in the NFL you should even take
that on in the first place, there's so many hats
you have to wear as a head coach in the
NFL that that maybe it should be something that you
only do as a last resort, not something that you do.
I mean, there's only so many Sean mcvay's and Kyle shanahan's,
and then there's some others we can probably bring up
(26:24):
in point to whether they're offensive or defensive minded head
coaches that call that side of the ball. But it's
really really hard. I mean, Kevin O'Connell in Minnesota, I
remember sitting now with him and asking him and said,
you know, I've got to feel like I've got another
head coach on my staff that can coach on the
other side. And he's lucky he's got Brian Flores and
he feels confident in him. I think he had Wade
(26:45):
Phillips when.
Speaker 5 (26:46):
He first got there.
Speaker 7 (26:47):
So there's just there's a there's you know, a different
way of structuring it depending on who you are, but
it's it feels like, because of the circumstances surrounding Cleveland
that this is more of that sort of move Now.
It's also a great experience for Tommy, you know, who
gets to call plays at the NFL level, he's called
(27:07):
him at the college level. You know, he's someone who
I've admired for his transition into coaching and the job
that he's done, whether he's at Notre Dame or even Alabama,
he always has called things more in an NFL style,
and that's something that I appreciated. You know, he exploits matchups,
He understands what the opponent is trying to give them,
and and usually dials something up to be able to
(27:29):
attack that. You know, and and I see, I think
sometimes he was underappreciated in Notre Dame because you know,
people kind of want this, you know, more higher scoring,
more up tempo, more that it's always more of like
the gimmicky stuff that doesn't work at the high level.
Speaker 5 (27:45):
And you know, he wasn't that.
Speaker 7 (27:47):
And honestly, I think again he was underappreciated for the
job that he did as OOC during his time in
Notre Dame. But this is a great opportunity for him
despite the circumstances. And more so than that, I mean, look,
what's what's it's the downside if things don't work out,
It's like, well, it's not like the season's been going
well anyway, so he'll get a chance to coach up
(28:08):
call plays with Dylan. He'll eventually probably get a chance
to call plays for Shador Like. I feel like it's
all building towards that too, given how the season's going
for Cleveland. But to take on a Jets defense that's
struggled this year, you know, in your first first week
doing it. It's an awesome opportunity for him, but you know,
(28:29):
it does signify I think if things don't go well,
you gotta wonder if this change was made, because there's
a thought that, based on how things are going, Stefanski
could be out. And then I'll say this, if he
gets fired, two seconds later, he'll get a phone call
or multiple phone calls to be a head coach somewhere else.
Speaker 5 (28:48):
I think he's a damn good, damn good head coach.
Speaker 7 (28:50):
So if that's the direction Jimmy Hasm's going to go,
he can make that decision, but he's gonna watch him
go somewhere else and have success.
Speaker 6 (28:57):
I don't know that Haslam has any other recourse but
to go in a different direction. If they finished with
a poor record again this year, I mean, you had
three wins just a year ago, and listen, I mean
I don't again, I think people would debate and probably
be in favor of Stefanski in terms of everything went
(29:18):
wrong when Baker Mayfield wasn't believed in and Deshaun Watson
was that's when everything went bad. Now, granted, you know,
just the year before the three win season, they got
to eleven wins and Stefanski has been the coach of
the year in recent kind of recent years, so you
(29:38):
do know.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
How good of a coach he is.
Speaker 6 (29:41):
But you still have to be able to overcome the
circumstances that whether it's based upon injury or whether it
was based upon decisions made outside of your jurisdiction, whatever
it may be, you have to manage and then handle
what the expectations are for the team as the coach.
(30:02):
And right now this is a poorly performing team. You
got a guy that's playing at a high level, maybe
the best in the league, and the defensive player in
Miles Garrett, and you're wasting You're wasting his production. I
just I look at it like this, It's hard to
hold a guy in content when when he's not playing,
(30:25):
he's playing with a late round draft pick and you're
trying to figure out an offense with a rookie, late
round draft pick, there's a learning curve. It's not going
to be easy. You look at cam Ward and Tennessee
he I mean, he's getting banged up as a high
draft pick, and that is what it is. He's got
(30:46):
to go through the learning process and you hope he
can get through it and be the better for it.
But the problem is, more often than not, when you
go to these types of organizations, you don't necessarily get better.
It doesn't necessarily get that or for the quarterback, So
and looking at where this team is, they do not
have a franchise quarterback. And if you do not have
(31:08):
a franchise quarterback, you can't ask a coach to make
chicken salad out of chicken s And that's what it
ultimately come. And I'm not saying that Dylan Gabriel is
chicken ass. I'm not saying that should War Sanders this
chicken ass. I'm saying the situation.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
Is, uh, Brady, you mentioned if Stefanski gets clipped, he'll
get a call, you know, ten to fifteen minutes later
to be a head coach somewhere. I mean, if this
thing plays out the way we think it might play
out in Cincinnati. I mean that that could be an
interesting spot for Stefanski knows the division, get.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
To work with Joe Burrow.
Speaker 5 (31:43):
Yeah, short trip too. Yeah down there.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
That would be that's called sladding, that is slat sense.
Speaker 5 (31:53):
We should do a show from there. If this ends
up happening, you know, go down to the jungle, you know,
see if we can't, just I'll cup the nasty natty
either bang with.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
I think they'd welcome us there, Oh I bang.
Speaker 5 (32:07):
Yeah, I do not hope.
Speaker 7 (32:08):
So I mean, I don't you act like they hate
us just because I've said the organization is cheap. I mean,
maybe we could put pressure on them, Maybe they'd buy
some ham sandwiches or something for the video show.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
I'm just saying I didn't feel like too much to
ask for them.
Speaker 5 (32:24):
Maybe they could provide like a folding table for us
to put our our equipment on.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
I also, so Albert Brier made mention of this a
couple of weeks ago that.
Speaker 7 (32:33):
They're probably the type of organization that would hand us
like one napkin with the sandwich too, you know, not
like not like we could go get multiple you know,
what I'm saying those restaurants are like no, no, no, we
don't like to give out too many napkins, Like oh
this is where your your costs are lost on the napkins.
Speaker 6 (32:48):
Gotcha all right, you can only have one. It's extra
the other side of ketchup. So you know the chargue
for brit now you know how you use you know? No,
you never like bread is like you bring that out
to the table as soon as you get It's like
chips and salsa.
Speaker 7 (33:06):
Okay, But I'm saying I feel like most places are
starting to do that now. That's why I'm that's crazy.
That's a weird that's a weird development.
Speaker 6 (33:13):
I was like, wait, you guys charge for a starter
bread at this I feel like a lot.
Speaker 7 (33:18):
Of places charge for even chips and salsa now. I mean,
I remember che cheese chechese around. They used to have
the hat. You know, they get up, you stand on
the chair, they sing you on your birthday. It was
the best.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Salsay that That bothers me though.
Speaker 5 (33:33):
It's like a Saturday for Jonas.
Speaker 6 (33:35):
Like I went just like a super upscale steak steak
restaurant and they had the sour Oh no, I just
know this speedy at my house ran into the pool
because he saw mister Steaks and we had to fishing bout. Oh.
But I just don't understand why sour though is on
(33:59):
like and it was like twelve dollars damn.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
To get starter sour dough bread we're at.
Speaker 6 (34:06):
I'm not going to do some America. I'm going to
use y'all. I'm going to use y'all's cards soon though.
I know that you're a real out here for a player. Man,
that's a good bacteria in that sour though, though. You know,
I guess you gotta pay for that.
Speaker 5 (34:23):
See right, Ray.
Speaker 11 (34:23):
Knows Surday specialty stuff.
Speaker 5 (34:27):
You got that good bacteria.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
Stay away from that. We know that com bread. I
guess I guess who you're talking to.
Speaker 5 (34:35):
Yah, What are you talking about?
Speaker 3 (34:36):
Right?
Speaker 8 (34:36):
Ray?
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Yeah, I don't even.
Speaker 6 (34:40):
Talking about I don't know. She after her weekend, Yeah,
she came in talking about what what did you say?
She said something like, it was Monday, Monday. You do
know it's Tuesday, right, yep. Some of us just party
hearty all night long during the weekend and kept it
going on Monday and decided to come in on a
(35:01):
Tuesday and night like it was like the end of
the weekend.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
Where'd you stay at a Grand California or whatever it's called.
Speaker 11 (35:09):
I'm still there. I'm going right back after work.
Speaker 5 (35:11):
Still there, Still there?
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Damn how far with drive is that?
Speaker 11 (35:15):
Right now?
Speaker 12 (35:16):
It's only forty minutes, But by the time I get
off it might be an hour and a half.
Speaker 6 (35:20):
Dang well, I guess it's worth it though, Yeah, yeah,
is it worth it?
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Oh? There you go?
Speaker 12 (35:29):
Luxury, luxury, luxury. I feel so bougie walking through there.
You really, yeah, because the rooms are so expensive every
night and everyone else is just like, you know, going
to and fro from the park. And I got my
bathing suit on going to the pool with my sunglasses.
Speaker 11 (35:47):
Oh yeah, it's it's a vibe.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
Huh. Okay, And do you document all this on ig?
Speaker 11 (35:53):
I do you know?
Speaker 6 (35:54):
I do?
Speaker 2 (35:56):
Huh?
Speaker 5 (35:57):
What is the endgame with that the documentary? I'm just
I'm always curious, like, where is this all going?
Speaker 6 (36:03):
I will tell you off there, I tell you worried.
Speaker 7 (36:09):
You could get kidnapped, right right. I mean it's just
like the dad and me having daughters. But I'm always
like and it's funny, like now we're on college campuses.
I'm always like, hey, guys, like be safe, you know.
I always tell the kids, like have fun, be safe,
congrats you know, be safe all.
Speaker 5 (36:23):
Right, Like don't trust a drink if a guy gives
it to you. It's already opening, you know. I'm like
giving them advice that.
Speaker 7 (36:27):
I'm like, my girls aren't old enough to give them
that advice.
Speaker 5 (36:30):
But I'm like already there.
Speaker 7 (36:31):
I'm like, already worried about, concerned about these young people now.
Speaker 11 (36:34):
Can't be afraid to live your best life.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 5 (36:39):
There you go trunk of a car.
Speaker 11 (36:43):
That's it can be comfy.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
It's a good point.
Speaker 6 (36:46):
But I was about to say, I mean the people
that you're warning your your kids about when you see
them kids is Lorena Like wow, wow, wow, far you
might end up in Lorena.
Speaker 11 (37:01):
And I thought we were friends.
Speaker 10 (37:02):
Bar I.
Speaker 11 (37:04):
Have the muscle strength of a wet noodle. There's no
way I'm putting anyone in.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
A truck, Loraina, walk in your trap, take over your trap.
Speaker 11 (37:10):
You did, They'll get in my trunk willingly.
Speaker 6 (37:14):
You'll want you don't want to mess with lorrainus. You
want to take over your trap. That's all you would
tell you.
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Speaker 3 (37:40):
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Speaker 8 (37:46):
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Speaker 3 (37:57):
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All right, So the MVP favorites has a name that
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is maybe not familiar to people as far as names
that you would find on your standard normal MVP list.
One of those names is Sam Darnold, who's currently sitting
at twenty to one.
Speaker 5 (38:55):
Yeah like that, I like those.
Speaker 3 (38:57):
Josh Allen is the favorite at plus one eighty, followed
by Patrick Mahomes, Drake May's at plus four twenty five,
Matthew Stafford, Baker Mayfield, and then you've got Sam Donald, So.
Speaker 7 (39:09):
I'd sprinkle someone Drake May Baker, Sam Donald. I mean,
if those three keep it up, and I'm not saying
that Mahomes and Allen won't continue to be in the conversation.
Speaker 5 (39:18):
They both play for very.
Speaker 7 (39:19):
Good teams and they're actually, you know, two of the
best in the league. But don't you think if like
Donald keeps this up, what six and two right now?
Speaker 5 (39:29):
And like Donald, by the way.
Speaker 7 (39:31):
The thing that impresses me the most is he's not
dinking and dunking like he is chucking the thing down
the field. And I think a lot of people, including myself,
wrote this team off before the season because they got
rid of Metcalf, they got rid of Lockett. You know,
we were like, all right, how much can Jackson Smith
and Jigba you know handle.
Speaker 5 (39:48):
On his own?
Speaker 7 (39:49):
And they've been fine, Like there hasn't been one issue
whatsoever so far for this team. Donald's played phenomenal.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
H I would I would go the direct should have
Matthew Stafford at plus five point fifty twenty one touchdowns
two picks.
Speaker 5 (40:05):
On the year.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
They're a team that looks like they're gonna they're going
to continue on and potentially win that division of everything.
Speaker 7 (40:14):
Now, does he get knocked down a peg because of
that photographer situation?
Speaker 3 (40:18):
Yeah, I mean an assault like that is a bit much.
She's just trying to do her job. You didn't have
to throw her off the stage, you know, like she
was Martin. Sheenough that departed. It just it just was inappropriate.
But I don't know, I would go. I would go
to Matthew Stafford. There, who you got var who's your MVP?
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Oh man, this fella named the
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Speaker 2 (01:08):
All right, So we talked a little bit yesterday.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
About the Jade and Daniels injury, the dislocated elbow. He's
out indefinitely, and the question afterwards was about, you know,
why was he in the game at that point, and
you know, should he have been taken out of the
game earlier with it being such a wipeout and risking
his health, et cetera, et cetera. Well, Dan Quinn, the
Commander's head coach, spoke yesterday and accepted responsibility for that decision.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
I know many of you have been asking about the
thought process of Jaden being in the game in that situation.
Speaker 5 (01:45):
I get that.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
I've been thinking about honestly NonStop two and you know,
for me, the answers man, I missed it, but I would,
you know, hopefull you.
Speaker 5 (01:52):
On my thought process.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
At start of the fourth Core, I guess it was
probably like twelve and a half minutes left in the game,
and that was gonna be the last try for a
couple of guys Jayden and Zach and Debo and LT
and so we're gonna have any read run plays and
meaning no carries, you know, for the quarterback on a run,
and honestly, man, that's where I missed it. Of course
he could scramble.
Speaker 5 (02:15):
It's Jaden. It's what he's special at.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
And that is one hundred percent that's on me.
Speaker 6 (02:19):
So that's what he's specialized scrambling. Well, yeah, to me,
that's the bigger that's the bigger point of all of this.
You don't need to take the blame for a player
that got injured doing what they're special at, doing what
am I and I get the conventional wisdom of saying, Okay,
(02:40):
the game's out of reach, like pull your starters out.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
I get that, but he didn't. He played his starters.
Speaker 6 (02:46):
Like it's always going to be an easy point of
reference and contention if something like this happens.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Like, but I mean, the man's a coach. He's got
to coach his team.
Speaker 7 (02:58):
And so so let me ask you this because this
is kind of what like went through my head watching
it and then even it as we talked a little
bit about yesterday, we didn't have time to fully discuss,
but we talk about taking out your starters.
Speaker 5 (03:09):
You can only take out so many like we do
this in.
Speaker 7 (03:11):
Preseason two, or react like oh yeah, the backups are
all in.
Speaker 5 (03:15):
Well, okay, your roster size is a.
Speaker 7 (03:16):
Bit bigger then, but once you get to the regular season, like, dude,
you dressed forty six.
Speaker 5 (03:21):
You can't pull everyone.
Speaker 7 (03:22):
There's not some sort of whole change, like all the
backups are in, Like you don't dress that many guys.
So I do wonder as a head coach when you
look at where Washington's been, where they've struggled offensively, and
some people had said, well, maybe there's the thought of
trying to get them into a rhythm, or maybe there's
the thought of just trying to get him one decent series,
get a touchdown, trying to get something going out of
(03:44):
that game because.
Speaker 5 (03:44):
They played so poorly.
Speaker 7 (03:47):
But I also wonder, like in the locker room, you
got other starters who are going to sit in there
and have to battle and have to finish out the game. Yeah,
like how do you view it, like if your starter
comes out, how does your mind that change? Because now,
as a defender, like there's probably not many chances, like
many opportunities where you're sitting there thinking to yourself, I
need to protect myself to make sure I get out
(04:08):
of this game healthy, because clearly we're throwing in the
white towel.
Speaker 6 (04:11):
But I'm still out here. You're told to fight for
sixty minutes. You're told to lock in and dial in.
If we were to look around the league we talked
about last week prior to this one, how how not
can non competitive? These games were and teams were getting
(04:32):
beat by multiple possessions. How many of those quarterbacks finished
the game? You know, it's so easy to stop and
flash a big light on, oh my gosh, this coach
left their player in, he ends up getting hurt. What
are you doing? You should have pulled him out? Like,
(04:52):
look around the league. How many quarterbacks that had two
possession games, two possession leads, you know, deficits that they
had to overcome, finished out the game.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
I don't think we need to even.
Speaker 6 (05:05):
Overthink it, the idea of saying, oh, you should have
pulled him, you should have pulled him, Like it's season,
we're in season.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
He's playing the game and he hasn't played that much.
I don't even care if he hasn't.
Speaker 6 (05:20):
If anything, if he hasn't played that much, I'm be like, Okay,
maybe he's tired. Let me give him, let me give
him a play count, because he could be tired, let
me inch him back in. But if he's up and
running and he's full go, why would you, as a
coach even give that too much thought of We're going
from whistle to whistle for four quarters. It's the regular season,
(05:43):
it's not preseason. So why do why do I have
to be scrutinized. I mean, you get why scrutinized. It's
the profession, it's part of it. But you don't have
You didn't have anybody else coming out in rage. Oh
my gosh, they had the starter in at the end
of the game, and they weren't. They clearly had no
chance of winning the game. Well, remember it was Carson
(06:06):
Wentz last week who defended the Vikings and defended Kevin
O'Connell and them and said, no, they did not. This
is not on them. I wanted to stay in the game.
I knew what the risk that comes along with this.
It was my choice to stay in.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
I was in pain and basically defended the organization because
there were some people who are like, well, man, he's
clearly in pain. Why is he still out there? And
then he ends up having season ending surgery? You know
the a few days later, the part that bugs me
about this, and I'm not surprised to.
Speaker 6 (06:35):
Say what My next point was, I hope you say
what I think it is good? Well I do, and
say it with your chest. Well, yeah, it's not going
to be what I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
I don't like that dan Quinn basically caved to the
soft narrative that was put out because of Jaden Daniels's injury. Like,
I don't like the fact that dan Quinn had to
come out. And I'm not surprised because I know he's
a stand up guy and he's a good dude. But
the fact that he came out and accepted responsibility for
(07:05):
a quarterback getting injured in an NFL game, why because
people were asking, well, what is he still doing in there? Well,
he hasn't played that much. They're trying to get some
sort of a rhythm on offense. I know it's a blowout,
but he's got to get some reps and he's got
to he's got to get back into the swing of
things somehow. Marshaun Lattimore LaVar brought this up yesterday. He
(07:26):
tore his acl I mean, is that dan Quinn's fault too?
Like it is our guys getting injured in the fourth
quarter of games that are out of reach. Is that
the coach's fault because they get injured or is that
just the fact that it's football. It's it's basic sanction violence,
and you're gonna fall and land awkwardly from time to
time and bad things are going to happen. The fact
that dan Quinn had to come out and apologize and
(07:48):
accept response or take responsibility, I think it's a bad
look and I think it kind of presents him as
a Hey, if you uh, if you talk loud enough
and you uh and you make enough noise, he's gonna
cave to the narratives out there and have to speak
on it out.
Speaker 6 (08:02):
Can I ask you, guys, one serious question? Absolutely not okay,
never mind question. Okay, Why is there no scrutiny on
the decision making of Jaydon Daniels in this situation the
game is out of reach, You clearly cannot win the game.
(08:24):
That's that's the narrative that that is driving the outrage
and the backlash of the decision making of the head
coach because if he doesn't play hard, then he gets
the Cam Newton treatment and he never lives down the fashion.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
So if he throws the ball away.
Speaker 6 (08:39):
If he if he throws the ball away or hands
the ball off, because if I recall my recollection from
what dan Quinn said, it was usually he hands the
ball off in this situation or throws it to the flat.
So if it's throwing it to the flat, he can
easily throw it away. It garbage time. Hand the ball off.
(09:02):
I don't care if you lose five yards running hand
the hand the ball off.
Speaker 7 (09:08):
I get it, like I understand what you're saying, and
I think that comes with playing more and like time
in the League of maturity, where there's a saying like
live to play the next down, because you will not
survive if you keep trying to play outside the pocket
for so many plays. Eventually you'll get hurt, either via
(09:30):
a hit ear either via just unfortunate unluck, you know,
not being lucky enough to be able to get down
or side, whatever the case is. Bad things happen outside
the pocket. In the pocket, enough bad things happen, but
at least you're protected, so defenders know and they have
to let up to some degree, and they have to
hit you a certain way to some you know.
Speaker 5 (09:49):
So it changes.
Speaker 7 (09:51):
But eventually that comes The hard thing about what you're saying,
LeVar is you don't want to take out that competitiveness
in him. And again, he hasn't played that much, so
there's an element two of him wanting to get back
out there and play the way he's accustomed to. So
it's it's complicated. You could see it from both sides.
(10:14):
But I do hate the fact.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
I'm not upset at it.
Speaker 6 (10:17):
I don't know and I'm not I'm not attacking Jaydon
Daniels for it. All I'm saying is is if it
was clearly important enough for Jaydon Daniels to scramble and
pull the ball down in that minute in his mind
to create what he was going to create, what do
people have a problem for, Like, I haven't heard one
person really sit there and be like, why do he
(10:40):
pull the ball down and start scrambling. It's not that
it's his fault, it's you don't have to come up
with justification.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
He was doing his job. It's he was doing it.
It's just football.
Speaker 5 (10:55):
It's what I said yesterday, It's it's football.
Speaker 7 (10:57):
We can dissect this whole decision from Dan Quinn, from
Jane Daniels, it's football.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Correct injuries happen.
Speaker 6 (11:03):
Correct injuries are gonna happen, and that's unfortunate that it happened.
It was grotesque, It was upsetting to watch it take place.
It's your franchise, guy.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
I get it.
Speaker 6 (11:14):
But if that, like we said, you said, Marshaun Lattimore,
if that was any other player on that field doesn't
get this type of attention, does it get this type
of vitriol coming back from it? If that's the case,
and then you'll wonder why the culture is. And then
you heard Dak Prescott touching on it because they're one
of those types of franchises that that's the way the
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media covers like people may not understand this because they
may be so far removed from the old days, but
the media was actually supposed to be your your conduit
to market, advertise and promote the product. These guys used
to go out after games, smoke jacks together, drink beers together.
(11:58):
Sometimes you drank two much. I'll drop you off. Hey,
get say hi to the wife by first name.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Get them in.
Speaker 6 (12:06):
Maybe it's the local police officer, he drops both of
you off. You guys are at the local pub having
some pops after the freaking game and y'all had a relationship.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
There was an unwritten rule.
Speaker 6 (12:19):
That the relationship between the media and the players and
the organizations was imperative to the health.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Of the sport of the game.
Speaker 6 (12:29):
Not to tear them down, Not to look for these
angles that are so polarizing and just so sensationalized that
you're actually destroying. You're destroying the reputation of the coach,
You're destroying the reputation of the organization. Apologize, that's not
what this is for. You know what they should have
(12:50):
been saying. This is a team that was one game
away from getting to the super Bowl the year before.
The Clearly the approach that dan Quinn has brought to
a team that had struggled and suffered for many many
moons before he got here, it's clearly something that's working.
Focus in on. Okay, it's unfortunate that he got hurt,
(13:11):
But dan Quinn, this new ownership group, they seemingly brought
a new energy that has rejuvenated the organization and the franchise.
Why are you slipping back into your old ways of
how to cover and how to do these things? And
then now it turns into an adversarial relationship between the
media and the organization.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Why do you think dan Quinn did it?
Speaker 6 (13:35):
Why do you get thinks they have to put that
much apologize because it's the nation's capital. That's the way
they bro They like the only the only media market
that's worse on handling. Well, it could be Philly too,
but but New York is is unforgiving and that's just
But you go into it understanding that's what you signed
(13:57):
up for. The Washington DC media, I'm telling you, they
handle it like it's a White House address. I've seen
it firsthand. I lived in it. I was a part
of it. They covered the Washington football team like they
covered a president and a politics.
Speaker 5 (14:14):
Everton up to the podium next, please heal.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Hello everyone, Hello, Hello, good evening to you all.
Speaker 7 (14:20):
He's the chair of the Talking Smack Hitstick Talking Committee.
Speaker 6 (14:26):
I would certainly never go into the details of the
exchanges nor verbal contact that I've made with my opponents,
but I just like to say, respectfully, they played a
wonderful game. They you know, for us, we can stand
to get better. I mean, how amazing were they? Like
you just have to be unassuming give the other team
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credit for what it is that they did it, and
even if they didn't do it, still give them credit. Underplay,
under deliver yourselves and keep it moving. And it's so
generic and it's so blak, but it's necessary because these
cats look for these weird ass angles to be able
to present the team.
Speaker 5 (15:07):
Can I be honest with you.
Speaker 7 (15:11):
One of the most disheartening things as as a competitor, though,
is having to play out a game where you know
you cannot win. Like you get to a point where
you're like, we're not able to score that many times
with this amount of time left, and you know that,
unfortunately was the position that they were in.
Speaker 5 (15:29):
It It's it's terrible to be playing out the game
that way, right.
Speaker 7 (15:32):
It's like you know, like like you're watching this this
death come at the at the end.
Speaker 5 (15:37):
You know it's coming. You can't stop it. There's nothing
you can do about it.
Speaker 7 (15:41):
And like I remember we played Baltimore on Monday night
football and we got to a point where we you know,
we weren't able to come back. There's just like two
little time left, We're down by a couple scores or
a few scores, and our play caller at the time
had called in a play that you would kind of
run more like a two minute situation, and I'll never forget.
(16:04):
I was like, I think I even told Josh Cribs this.
I was like, please, Josh, just get down. I was like,
just don't you know, because Josh Cribs was the type
that whether he was a special teams returner or as
a receiver, he was so good to yards after contact,
yards after the catch, just trying to get, you know,
something more out of it. And I think I said
in the huddles, I just get down, whatever, just get down.
(16:27):
I'm like, do not try to extend this. And sure enough,
like it was one of those kind of like throw
the slant kind of pitching around back where he got
like put to sleep. Now, I was like it was
a kick return I think was the one. This wasn't
a kick return. This was on This was on Monday,
the football versus Baltimore. But I just remember like the
whole play play out, and I was like, man, like,
(16:50):
this is worst case scenario.
Speaker 5 (16:52):
Because he gets injured. You lose one of your best players.
Speaker 7 (16:55):
I don't know, you know, who knows, you know, how
severe it is, what's happening, and like and it wasn't necessary.
We could have just ran the damn ball, and I
kept thinking in my head, I should just check to
a run, like there's no point in that case. But
the problem is as a coach, like you know, they're
at a tough spot too, like if they basically a
(17:15):
knowledge defeat, regardless of what point it's at, he's gonna
be up at that podium talking about something else that's
gonna involve like his job and.
Speaker 6 (17:23):
All of that. The angles, that's the angles. Adversarial coverage,
that's the angle.
Speaker 7 (17:28):
And when you lose, it doesn't matter. At the end
of the day, there's always gonna be something they're gonna
they're gonna try to target and talk to you to
pick at. It's always gonna be about how you lost.
Everything else. I can't tell you how many times we
won and I came back like, yeah, but I should
have done this or we should have done.
Speaker 5 (17:44):
This, and the media never asked about it.
Speaker 7 (17:46):
They don't ask about those like critical mistakes you actually
made in a win.
Speaker 5 (17:51):
It's only in a loss. And so that's the hard.
Speaker 7 (17:54):
Part about even this whole, this whole conversation is dan
Quinn was gonna have to answer to something if it
wasn't Jade Daniels injury, it'd be something else. Maybe it
would have been a lot of More's injury. Maybe they
would have you know, pivoted to him. Maybe it would
have been something else that they did or didn't do.
But that's ultimately too. The other issue with all this
is that's what you sign up for as a head coach.
(18:15):
You know, when you lose, it's there's always going to
be a critical angle and no matter what, nothing you
have done is going to be the right decision because
everyone's looking with twenty twenty vision, because they've got the
ability to look at a hindsight and judge every decision
you made. And the unfortunate reality to football to life
is that's not how decisions are made.
Speaker 5 (18:37):
You know.
Speaker 7 (18:37):
Obviously dan Quinn wouldn't have made the decision if he
knew he was gonna get hurt.
Speaker 5 (18:43):
That's easy to say.
Speaker 7 (18:44):
Now, That's that's part of my issue with all this
is like it's an easy position to be in the
media and then have to continually like Harp on this
point when it's a tough position for dan Quinn to
be in the second he pulls out Jane Daniels, they're
admitting defeat. The second he pulls out Jane Daniels and
someone else gets hurt. It's like, well, why don't you
pull that guy out?
Speaker 5 (19:03):
Why?
Speaker 7 (19:03):
Why don't you pull all the guys out? You know what,
why don't you just ask the end of the game
with ten minutes left in the fourth quarter. You know,
it's like, it's like you're in such a no win
position as a head coach, and that and that in
that particular scenario you can't win.
Speaker 6 (19:17):
You shouldn't have to tell your kid if there is
a fire fireplace that's lit, don't stick your hand in
the fireplace.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
You'll burn your hand.
Speaker 6 (19:30):
You shouldn't have to tell your kids things that common
sense wise, you just don't do. You stay away from it.
If you're at the end of a game and you're
getting blown out. This is something that you learn in
pee wee league. This is something that if you didn't
play pee wee league, you learn a high school level.
(19:51):
If you played in college, you know in the college level,
if the game is out of reach, do not object
yourself to injury.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
And if you do, because you want to be considered the.
Speaker 6 (20:06):
Effort guy air quotes, you are the effort guy who
gives it. There all on every single play. There's nothing
wrong with you being that type of player. There is
nothing wrong with it. But you should not have to
tell a player in this scenario. Make sure you're careful
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with what you do. That's not quitting, that's not being
a lack of a competitor. That's being wise about the scenario.
It was a handoff or a pass, there's no reason
for you to try to extend to play none, and
that should be the If you're going to focus on
that one play, why are you scrambling with a game
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that's out of reach.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
So you're basically saying you need a handler.
Speaker 6 (20:57):
We're I mean, we make these these bold claims that, well,
quarterbacks are the most intelligent beings on the football field.
If you're so intelligent, then you understand and you know
in this scenario. In fact, let's be clear, look at
the way they call these games anymore. On any play,
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I don't care if it's the first play or the
last play, your thought process.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Should be, don't get hit. The game is.
Speaker 6 (21:27):
Structured for you to be protected and not be hurt
by hits like the one.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Jaydon Daniels took that and maybe ended his season.
Speaker 6 (21:38):
Don't take those types of hits, not now, not ever,
not any time period, and that's the end of the story.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Something that he does very well. He did it.
Speaker 6 (21:50):
He pulled the ball down, started moving, moving out of
the pocket, and he got caught. He got caught. Done close.
You don't have to sit there and act like a
grown ass man has to be babysat by his.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Goddang head coach.
Speaker 6 (22:07):
That man is coaching the game, and he has other
players that he's got to worry about as well.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Okay, it's your franchise quarterback.
Speaker 6 (22:13):
I get that, no shade, but I'm just saying, handing
the freaking ball off case, closed throw throw the incomplete
throw the flat you didn't get in the yards?
Speaker 2 (22:24):
So what is incomplete? So what what mess with your
QB are? So what?
Speaker 8 (22:31):
So?
Speaker 6 (22:32):
What? Like routine play shouldn't even be a conversation And
then you're right, Jonas, he should not have come out
and apologized for it. He said he ran it in
his head. Okay, great, you called to play fifty times.
He said, what fifty times out of fifty times you
run this play? It's a handoff four throw, Come on, man,
throw to the flat, which is quick throw to the flat.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Which is quick.
Speaker 6 (22:55):
Shame old commanders, I mean, that's what it sounds like.
At least they trying.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
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Speaker 2 (24:45):
In Cleveland.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
By the way, we should also mention this there was
a trade that took place in the NFL. With the
trade deadline coming up later on today. The Bengals have
traded Logan Wilson, their linebacker to the Dallas Cowboys. So
Jerry Jones did make a deal for somebody and Cincinnati's
bad defense gets worse, So good for everybody involved. But
(25:11):
the other storyline in the state of Ohio is the
Cleveland Browns from a football standpoint, and Kevin Stefanski has
decided he's no longer going to be calling plays instead
that I'll go to Tommy Reese, the offensive coordinator. Here
was Stefanski explaining the decision.
Speaker 10 (25:27):
It's never about one person, So whether it's you're talking
about a player or a coach, it's not about one person.
But obviously I think Tommy's gonna be himself and that's
what you know, I'm asking him to do, and I'll
be there every step of the way to help him
in any way I can, like like you should with
any play caller. But bottom line is he understands what
(25:48):
we need to do, which is stay on the field
and score some points.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Beginning of the end. For Stefanski just a.
Speaker 7 (25:57):
Well, it's it's never good when you're an offensive and you,
you know, give up those.
Speaker 5 (26:02):
Play calling duties.
Speaker 7 (26:04):
You know, we can talk about whether or not as
a head coach in the NFL you should even take
that on in the first place, there's so many hats
you have to wear as a head coach in the
NFL that that maybe it should be something that you
only do as a last resort, not something that you do.
I mean, there's only so many Sean mcvay's and Kyle shanahan's,
and then there's some others we can probably bring up
(26:24):
in point to whether they're offensive or defensive minded head
coaches that call that side of the ball. But it's
really really hard. I mean, Kevin O'Connell in Minnesota, I
remember sitting now with him and asking him and said,
you know, I've got to feel like I've got another
head coach on my staff that can coach on the
other side. And he's lucky he's got Brian Flores and
he feels confident in him. I think he had Wade
(26:45):
Phillips when.
Speaker 5 (26:46):
He first got there.
Speaker 7 (26:47):
So there's just there's a there's you know, a different
way of structuring it depending on who you are, but
it's it feels like, because of the circumstances surrounding Cleveland
that this is more of that sort of move Now.
It's also a great experience for Tommy, you know, who
gets to call plays at the NFL level, he's called
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him at the college level. You know, he's someone who
I've admired for his transition into coaching and the job
that he's done, whether he's at Notre Dame or even Alabama,
he always has called things more in an NFL style,
and that's something that I appreciated. You know, he exploits matchups,
He understands what the opponent is trying to give them,
and and usually dials something up to be able to
(27:29):
attack that. You know, and and I see, I think
sometimes he was underappreciated in Notre Dame because you know,
people kind of want this, you know, more higher scoring,
more up tempo, more that it's always more of like
the gimmicky stuff that doesn't work at the high level.
Speaker 5 (27:45):
And you know, he wasn't that.
Speaker 7 (27:47):
And honestly, I think again he was underappreciated for the
job that he did as OOC during his time in
Notre Dame. But this is a great opportunity for him
despite the circumstances. And more so than that, I mean, look,
what's what's it's the downside if things don't work out,
It's like, well, it's not like the season's been going
well anyway, so he'll get a chance to coach up
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call plays with Dylan. He'll eventually probably get a chance
to call plays for Shador Like. I feel like it's
all building towards that too, given how the season's going
for Cleveland. But to take on a Jets defense that's
struggled this year, you know, in your first first week
doing it. It's an awesome opportunity for him, but you know,
(28:29):
it does signify I think if things don't go well,
you gotta wonder if this change was made, because there's
a thought that, based on how things are going, Stefanski
could be out. And then I'll say this, if he
gets fired, two seconds later, he'll get a phone call
or multiple phone calls to be a head coach somewhere else.
Speaker 5 (28:48):
I think he's a damn good, damn good head coach.
Speaker 7 (28:50):
So if that's the direction Jimmy Hasm's going to go,
he can make that decision, but he's gonna watch him
go somewhere else and have success.
Speaker 6 (28:57):
I don't know that Haslam has any other recourse but
to go in a different direction. If they finished with
a poor record again this year, I mean, you had
three wins just a year ago, and listen, I mean
I don't again, I think people would debate and probably
be in favor of Stefanski in terms of everything went
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wrong when Baker Mayfield wasn't believed in and Deshaun Watson
was that's when everything went bad. Now, granted, you know,
just the year before the three win season, they got
to eleven wins and Stefanski has been the coach of
the year in recent kind of recent years, so you
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do know.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
How good of a coach he is.
Speaker 6 (29:41):
But you still have to be able to overcome the
circumstances that whether it's based upon injury or whether it
was based upon decisions made outside of your jurisdiction, whatever
it may be, you have to manage and then handle
what the expectations are for the team as the coach.
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And right now this is a poorly performing team. You
got a guy that's playing at a high level, maybe
the best in the league, and the defensive player in
Miles Garrett, and you're wasting You're wasting his production. I
just I look at it like this, It's hard to
hold a guy in content when when he's not playing,
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he's playing with a late round draft pick and you're
trying to figure out an offense with a rookie, late
round draft pick, there's a learning curve. It's not going
to be easy. You look at cam Ward and Tennessee
he I mean, he's getting banged up as a high
draft pick, and that is what it is. He's got
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to go through the learning process and you hope he
can get through it and be the better for it.
But the problem is, more often than not, when you
go to these types of organizations, you don't necessarily get better.
It doesn't necessarily get that or for the quarterback, So
and looking at where this team is, they do not
have a franchise quarterback. And if you do not have
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a franchise quarterback, you can't ask a coach to make
chicken salad out of chicken s And that's what it
ultimately come. And I'm not saying that Dylan Gabriel is
chicken ass. I'm not saying that should War Sanders this
chicken ass. I'm saying the situation.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
Is, uh, Brady, you mentioned if Stefanski gets clipped, he'll
get a call, you know, ten to fifteen minutes later
to be a head coach somewhere. I mean, if this
thing plays out the way we think it might play
out in Cincinnati. I mean that that could be an
interesting spot for Stefanski knows the division, get.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
To work with Joe Burrow.
Speaker 5 (31:43):
Yeah, short trip too. Yeah down there.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
That would be that's called sladding, that is slat sense.
Speaker 5 (31:53):
We should do a show from there. If this ends
up happening, you know, go down to the jungle, you know,
see if we can't, just I'll cup the nasty natty
either bang with.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
I think they'd welcome us there, Oh I bang.
Speaker 5 (32:07):
Yeah, I do not hope.
Speaker 7 (32:08):
So I mean, I don't you act like they hate
us just because I've said the organization is cheap. I mean,
maybe we could put pressure on them, Maybe they'd buy
some ham sandwiches or something for the video show.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
I'm just saying I didn't feel like too much to
ask for them.
Speaker 5 (32:24):
Maybe they could provide like a folding table for us
to put our our equipment on.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
I also, so Albert Brier made mention of this a
couple of weeks ago that.
Speaker 7 (32:33):
They're probably the type of organization that would hand us
like one napkin with the sandwich too, you know, not
like not like we could go get multiple you know,
what I'm saying those restaurants are like no, no, no, we
don't like to give out too many napkins, Like oh
this is where your your costs are lost on the napkins.
Speaker 6 (32:48):
Gotcha all right, you can only have one. It's extra
the other side of ketchup. So you know the chargue
for brit now you know how you use you know? No,
you never like bread is like you bring that out
to the table as soon as you get It's like
chips and salsa.
Speaker 7 (33:06):
Okay, But I'm saying I feel like most places are
starting to do that now. That's why I'm that's crazy.
That's a weird that's a weird development.
Speaker 6 (33:13):
I was like, wait, you guys charge for a starter
bread at this I feel like a lot.
Speaker 7 (33:18):
Of places charge for even chips and salsa now. I mean,
I remember che cheese chechese around. They used to have
the hat. You know, they get up, you stand on
the chair, they sing you on your birthday. It was
the best.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Salsay that That bothers me though.
Speaker 5 (33:33):
It's like a Saturday for Jonas.
Speaker 6 (33:35):
Like I went just like a super upscale steak steak
restaurant and they had the sour Oh no, I just
know this speedy at my house ran into the pool
because he saw mister Steaks and we had to fishing bout. Oh.
But I just don't understand why sour though is on
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like and it was like twelve dollars damn.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
To get starter sour dough bread we're at.
Speaker 6 (34:06):
I'm not going to do some America. I'm going to
use y'all. I'm going to use y'all's cards soon though.
I know that you're a real out here for a player. Man,
that's a good bacteria in that sour though, though. You know,
I guess you gotta pay for that.
Speaker 5 (34:23):
See right, Ray.
Speaker 11 (34:23):
Knows Surday specialty stuff.
Speaker 5 (34:27):
You got that good bacteria.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
Stay away from that. We know that com bread. I
guess I guess who you're talking to.
Speaker 5 (34:35):
Yah, What are you talking about?
Speaker 3 (34:36):
Right?
Speaker 8 (34:36):
Ray?
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Yeah, I don't even.
Speaker 6 (34:40):
Talking about I don't know. She after her weekend, Yeah,
she came in talking about what what did you say?
She said something like, it was Monday, Monday. You do
know it's Tuesday, right, yep. Some of us just party
hearty all night long during the weekend and kept it
going on Monday and decided to come in on a
(35:01):
Tuesday and night like it was like the end of
the weekend.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
Where'd you stay at a Grand California or whatever it's called.
Speaker 11 (35:09):
I'm still there. I'm going right back after work.
Speaker 5 (35:11):
Still there, Still there?
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Damn how far with drive is that?
Speaker 11 (35:15):
Right now?
Speaker 12 (35:16):
It's only forty minutes, But by the time I get
off it might be an hour and a half.
Speaker 6 (35:20):
Dang well, I guess it's worth it though, Yeah, yeah,
is it worth it?
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Oh? There you go?
Speaker 12 (35:29):
Luxury, luxury, luxury. I feel so bougie walking through there.
You really, yeah, because the rooms are so expensive every
night and everyone else is just like, you know, going
to and fro from the park. And I got my
bathing suit on going to the pool with my sunglasses.
Speaker 11 (35:47):
Oh yeah, it's it's a vibe.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
Huh. Okay, And do you document all this on ig?
Speaker 11 (35:53):
I do you know?
Speaker 6 (35:54):
I do?
Speaker 2 (35:56):
Huh?
Speaker 5 (35:57):
What is the endgame with that the documentary? I'm just
I'm always curious, like, where is this all going?
Speaker 6 (36:03):
I will tell you off there, I tell you worried.
Speaker 7 (36:09):
You could get kidnapped, right right. I mean it's just
like the dad and me having daughters. But I'm always
like and it's funny, like now we're on college campuses.
I'm always like, hey, guys, like be safe, you know.
I always tell the kids, like have fun, be safe,
congrats you know, be safe all.
Speaker 5 (36:23):
Right, Like don't trust a drink if a guy gives
it to you. It's already opening, you know. I'm like
giving them advice that.
Speaker 7 (36:27):
I'm like, my girls aren't old enough to give them
that advice.
Speaker 5 (36:30):
But I'm like already there.
Speaker 7 (36:31):
I'm like, already worried about, concerned about these young people now.
Speaker 11 (36:34):
Can't be afraid to live your best life.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 5 (36:39):
There you go trunk of a car.
Speaker 11 (36:43):
That's it can be comfy.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
It's a good point.
Speaker 6 (36:46):
But I was about to say, I mean the people
that you're warning your your kids about when you see
them kids is Lorena Like wow, wow, wow, far you
might end up in Lorena.
Speaker 11 (37:01):
And I thought we were friends.
Speaker 10 (37:02):
Bar I.
Speaker 11 (37:04):
Have the muscle strength of a wet noodle. There's no
way I'm putting anyone in.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
A truck, Loraina, walk in your trap, take over your trap.
Speaker 11 (37:10):
You did, They'll get in my trunk willingly.
Speaker 6 (37:14):
You'll want you don't want to mess with lorrainus. You
want to take over your trap. That's all you would
tell you.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
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To ask for O'Reilly verit scan today, My yoats my jo.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
Coming up next, we are going to tell you about
a surprise MVP candidate in the NFL that will be
yours here on FSR.
Speaker 8 (37:46):
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Speaker 3 (37:57):
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LaVar are Tim Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you here
coming up top of next hour. A little over ten
minutes from now, the war of words continues between two
people in the NFL that will be yours here on FSR.
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All right, So the MVP favorites has a name that
(38:41):
is maybe not familiar to people as far as names
that you would find on your standard normal MVP list.
One of those names is Sam Darnold, who's currently sitting
at twenty to one.
Speaker 5 (38:55):
Yeah like that, I like those.
Speaker 3 (38:57):
Josh Allen is the favorite at plus one eighty, followed
by Patrick Mahomes, Drake May's at plus four twenty five,
Matthew Stafford, Baker Mayfield, and then you've got Sam Donald, So.
Speaker 7 (39:09):
I'd sprinkle someone Drake May Baker, Sam Donald. I mean,
if those three keep it up, and I'm not saying
that Mahomes and Allen won't continue to be in the conversation.
Speaker 5 (39:18):
They both play for very.
Speaker 7 (39:19):
Good teams and they're actually, you know, two of the
best in the league. But don't you think if like
Donald keeps this up, what six and two right now?
Speaker 5 (39:29):
And like Donald, by the way.
Speaker 7 (39:31):
The thing that impresses me the most is he's not
dinking and dunking like he is chucking the thing down
the field. And I think a lot of people, including myself,
wrote this team off before the season because they got
rid of Metcalf, they got rid of Lockett. You know,
we were like, all right, how much can Jackson Smith
and Jigba you know handle.
Speaker 5 (39:48):
On his own?
Speaker 7 (39:49):
And they've been fine, Like there hasn't been one issue
whatsoever so far for this team. Donald's played phenomenal.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
H I would I would go the direct should have
Matthew Stafford at plus five point fifty twenty one touchdowns
two picks.
Speaker 5 (40:05):
On the year.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
They're a team that looks like they're gonna they're going
to continue on and potentially win that division of everything.
Speaker 7 (40:14):
Now, does he get knocked down a peg because of
that photographer situation?
Speaker 3 (40:18):
Yeah, I mean an assault like that is a bit much.
She's just trying to do her job. You didn't have
to throw her off the stage, you know, like she
was Martin. Sheenough that departed. It just it just was inappropriate.
But I don't know, I would go. I would go
to Matthew Stafford. There, who you got var who's your MVP?
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Oh man, this fella named the
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