November 4, 2025 • 58 mins
Jonas Knox, LaVar Arrington, and Brady Quinn explain why the Chase Brown debacle has officially put Zac Taylor on the hot seat in Cincinnati. The guys react to Dan Quinn taking the blame for Jayden Daniels' severe injury and explain why the culture in Washington has gotten out of control. FOX Sports NFL and College Football Rules Analyst Dean Blandino joins the guys to dive into the confusion surrounding the hip drop tackle.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:03):
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
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(00:40):
buying should be. I did think it was funny last
night when Drakeman was like, yeah, you know, Jerry Jones
talking about making a trade, But I don't know that
there's a trade that's going to be available.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
It's going to help this team right now, It's just there.
They're not you get a pass rusher. Here's what I
don't get.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Jordan Schultzer reports that Mazzi Smith is a healthy, healthy,
inactive in preparation for potentially being on the trade block
right their former first round pick out of Michigan. And
I'm thinking to myself, like, wasn't it before the season
all it was all about getting Kenny Clark because they
couldn't stop the run. And that's why they got rid
of Micah Parsons because they want to pay him. And
(01:20):
you know that that whole narrative happened. Now you're getting
rid of a guy he drafted to it essentially clog
up the middle and stopped the run.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
That even makes any sense.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
They've also been linked to Trey Hendrickson, so they didn't
want to pay mic before the year.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
But you're going to go trade for a pass rusher.
You got one of the premier pass rushers in the league,
and you go go trade for another one.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
They would almost be paying Trey Hendrickson half of what
mic is making, so.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Well, they would probably get half of the time from
from from Trey.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Hey, no, I'm just saying how much old her?
Speaker 5 (01:53):
Why?
Speaker 4 (01:54):
Because he's white, that's part of it. But they black
don't crack.
Speaker 5 (01:59):
But I'm just saying I'm just giving it to everybody today. Yes,
I'm saying how much older is he?
Speaker 4 (02:06):
Then, Michael Parsons with your white as that that is
not what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
He's just older, That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Can we run with that as one of the headlines
on social media? Birst Can we just say LeVar Arrington
says Trey Hendrickson's inferior because he's white.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Just say that on it and see, uh see how
that plays.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
Let's let's watch how that gets out and when it's
taken literally put out there out of contact.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Let's see the blowback.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
I get on into some views a shoulder bump to Trandrickson, so.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Random people bumping me out in public? What well that
thing got like ten point six million views.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
Yeah, I mean it's a dope little clip. Bruh, I
know it is.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
This is what I don't underst I don't understand anything anymore.
I really don't. I don't understand anything.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
So I think with that, I'll say this.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
You got this tall, y'all good looking, strapping man who
hi hipp Rob Stone, who's doing an amazing drop and
teaser for for the show. And then you got little
man like you got a little man in the background
who everybody knows and respects about the way anybody who
(03:21):
ever meets mark Ingram is like totally enamored by him
and loves his personality, loves hanging with him. And so
once you look at it in context, you seem like
making fun and doing things in the background, and it
is a trending dance, like that dance is trending. He
was smart for doing it because it hit the algorithm
(03:43):
of all these people doing that dance, like the football
players are doing it when they score touchdowns. People are
doing it randomly, like it's just it's it's the trend
that's the algorithm. You gotta pull it up to see it.
I've not studied it enough to know how to do
it. It's not in my spare time.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
I didn't know that was a trending dance. It is
just having sex with the air dang.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
I mean it is a gyration of the hips and
its like you know, but.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
That's smart because that's what that's what people are paying
attention to. So then it just catches the algorithm on
people doing that dance, that trending dance, and people were
watching it and they like went through the whole process.
I said, like, oh, look at this dude, like he
just bumped him. Oh wow, that's the TV show, you know,
the one that they do before the games on Saturday,
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like boom, they're putting all these dots together, which made
Jos's trending video way better than anybody else's trending video
unless it was like Shaquille O'Neill or somebody that's famous
doing the dance.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
I mean as somebody who's a regular watcher and supporter
of Big newon Kickoff because I'm a loyal friend. Uh,
this is not the first time that they've messed with Robstone,
you know, and.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Now everybody's just sort of catching on to it. It's
just a.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
Cool thing about knowing something that they've always done. But
you get an opportunity, like you explained it perfectly earlier.
Jona's like you get a guy that you don't think
really jokes around, you know, or or just like really serious,
like oh coming up next on the should at all, like,
oh for them to win today, here are the keys
to the game. And then they start going into all
(05:20):
of these details and it gets real, real detailed from
the details, and then it's like, oh wait, he's actually
a person, like he actually jokes around or he can
make you laugh like.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
You're talking about Rob Stone. No, he's talking about you. Actually, Yeah,
Brady's a sloppy it's like the rest of us. But
nobody would know that scumbag to him.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
Nobody would know that he's like a prankster and a
jokester with what he does.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
When you know that, I try to mess with far
every time I get a chance, just get a rise up.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
But that's the beauty of it. Like people don't know that.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
So it's like when you get an opportunity to have
those moments, it hits way harder.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
It just hits hard, if you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
We get it on this again, ah, because it's just
you know, you should have got pivot over.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Pivoted from the racial comment he made a mountain tree Hendrickson.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
That's what it was.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
Well, it took a black man to make sure that
it went over ten million views, Like it took that
that flavor, that spice, that that added spice to what
was going on, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah,
that's all. Yeah, speaking of if you want to throw
some spice on it, why not throw some Louisiana Hot
Sauce on that over ten million views. You know what,
(06:26):
it goes perfectly, great balance of peppers, vinegar and salt.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
You could put it on ten million viewed videos. You
could put it on wings, nachos, burgers. It tastes good
on all of it. If you asked me that Tailgate
Food hit it with that bold, hand crafted flavor of
the original Louisiana hot sauce. That's Louisiana Hot about you
some We're hungry, We're hungry for more. Throw some hot
sauce on it.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
So Chase Brown had those comments about the defense for
the Cincinnati Bengals, speaking of Trey Hendrickson.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
The white Guy, Levars Barrier, and Zach Taylor.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
The head coach, spoke about the difference in approaches from
one Jamar Chase, who said, I'm not going to come
out after anybody.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
I don't want them questioning what the f I'm.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Doing, and Chase Brown, who basically called out the defense specifically.
Here was the Bengals head coach yesterday.
Speaker 6 (07:18):
If you're not doing everything you can on your own,
you know, and I've pointed that out with Chase. You know,
there's two big plays that we could have done better
that would have led to points, And so I think
I liked Jamar a.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Little bit better.
Speaker 6 (07:29):
I can tell Jamar is frustrated, but he didn't want
guys coming at him if he's had a poor performance
or something that he was disappointed in. So I trust
that that's a one time thing and what we'll learn
from that. That's not how we want to react. And
one of our best players, one of our highest character players,
I think, in a moment's frustration, said that, And I
don't expect that time again.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Wouldn't you say that?
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Chase Brown doing that publicly and the way that game
played out, even though everybody acknowledges that the offense is fine,
but the fact that that happened is a bad look
for Zach Taylor.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
And I just wonder.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
If, for whatever reason, this continues down the path that
it's going and it doesn't appear like the defense is
going to get any better and they're just going to
be floundering and missing the playoffs again. I mean, is
Zach Taylor's job safe, because it feels like if that
job opens up, that's got to be maybe.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
The most coveted job in the league. With Joe Burrow
as your quarterback.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
I mean, so it's kind of a weird spot to
be in because, yeah, Joe Burrows hasn't been healthy for
Zach Taylor, but this season and that the way that
played out on Sunday, I don't know who else you
point the blame at other than Zach Taylor or who
else will be the fall guy.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Rather, I kind of listen to that, and I don't.
To me, it's not about Chase Brown. It's not about
his reaction. I think both LaVar and I would agree
like you, when you have an one side of the
ball that performs the way they have the last two weeks,
when you look at what's happened to that side of
the ball, Joe Burrow being out again, I mean, it
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feels like it's a broken record if you're a Bengals
player who's been there with Joe Burrow with how much
time he's missed. And what's frustrating about it is he
is such a difference maker.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Like it could be one thing if he was like
kind of average, but he's not.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
I mean, he's he's that talented of a player, So
it's even more frustrating that they can't keep him healthy.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
He can't be out there. It's always something.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
And then after you go through a period of time
where you don't feel like there's any hope.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Maybe with Jake Browning, you get Joe Flaccowan, and you've got.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
A guy who's playing at as high of a levels
of Bengals quarterback maybe has and that includes, by the way,
Joe Burrow.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
If you look at what he's done in the.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Last two weeks, I mean, I thought that saw an
interesting stat Not to get off on a tangent, but
the sack percentage for Joe Flacco is like half of.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
That that it has been with Burrow.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
I mean, he against the ball at quicker, he's able
to kind of move that the change when not taking
as many negative plays. Not saying that they're gonna pick
Joe Flack over Joe Burrow by any means, just saying
it's even changed the dynamics of how the offensive line
is viewed because they're able to protect him better given
him getting the football out of his hand quicker. But
the general point is the frustration is understandable. What Pete
(10:21):
said yesterday Pete Prisco when he joined us, was that
you keep changing these coordinators and you keep kind of
getting the same results, you're not really maximizing it, and
eventually they're going to start pointing to the head coach.
And it's unfortunate because I think if Joe Burrow's healthy
for the entirety of his time with Zach Taylor, we're
probably never having this conversation because they're a perennial playoff team,
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but because he hasn't been. If you look at it,
started looking at the coaching record, you start becoming concern
questioning it. And it's just the unfortunate reality of what
this has been. It's been a team that has gone
churned through coordinators. I mean some in the case of
Brian Callahan going to take a another head coaching job,
but you know, Louis and Rumo, he moves on. Cults
(11:05):
are looking looking good. Al Golden comes in, can't. I mean,
you're the You're the worst defense in the league and
in any category yards points, So I don't. I don't
look at this and I sit there and say, this
is purely on what Zach Taylor's done. It's been really
unfortunate how it's all worked out for him. But eventually
someone's gonna start pointing the finger at you, and they
(11:25):
just say, maybe we need a change to find someone
who can figure this out, you know, figure out how
to find more consistency from our defense or a little improvement. Uh,
you figure out a way of keeping Joe Burrow healthy.
You know, they're just they're they're looking for answers, and
eventually they start to point at the head coach.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
I'm going to go back to Chase Brown for a
moment here and maybe put it in a little bit
of context, because I happened to have made multiples and
the mentality of a mommultiple that has a identical twin
brother that also made it into the National Football League.
(12:09):
Let's just say the mentality of a multiple is way
different than just a regular person. The ones that are
high achieving, over achieving multiples, their relationship dynamics are, I mean,
even with their other siblings, is staunchly different than somebody
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who's just been by themselves or is a singular child.
So when you look at a Chase Brown calling out
something that's very obvious. He didn't call anybody out by name,
but what he ultimately was doing was he was voicing
his opinion. It was an obvious opinion. It was not
(12:54):
an opinion where like to me, if I was comparing
this to.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
What Tua did, Tua took it.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
In a lane where it was very very easy to
pick away from it and indict other players that are
on that roster. For Chase Brown to hold himself and
the rest of the team, because even though it can
be perceived that he was talking about the defense finishing
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and making sure they need to do what they need
to do, saying that saying that we need at the
end of the day, we need to finish. If I'm
Zach Taylor, I don't choose sides. The level of accountability
that a twin has a multiple has they never been
by themselves ever, not one moment in their lives have
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they ever been together even pre life they just well
maybe the minutes between them being born. But you know,
you're talking about a matter of minutes, like my twins
are ten minutes apart. But yeah, right, So the level
of accountability is different for guys like that. And again,
both of them are in the league, so you know,
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you're more likely to get struck by lightning or win
the lottery than get drafted or play in the National
Football League. And two of them are in the league,
so they're high achieving people. So I think when you
have it in proper context, that these guys are like
competing at the highest of high levels to go from
where they came from to where they are.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Now in the league.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
They're not taking anything for granted. And I think that
sometimes it should be said, like, let's not take this
for granted, just us having the opportunity to be here
and put these uniforms on and play the game. And
if I think, if it's put in the proper context,
like that's part of knowing who your personnel is. Like,
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if I'm Zach Taylor, I say it like he's a multiple,
you know what that dude had to go through in
order to make it to where he is right now.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
I have to go through.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
Tell us far I don't know being a multiple, Well,
he's making it from being a Canadian Canadian kid, So.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
I was gonna say, I mean, he's probably still pissed
off about the Blue Jays losang.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
Yeah, I mean there's the possibility you gotta finish probably
addicted to maple syrup. I mean, if you think that
their maple syrup is is definitely the lick right out,
just put that joint right in the tree, and just
go ahead and plug it, and and and and get
a hold of it. Put it right on your pancakes
right there.
Speaker 5 (15:24):
You used to Canadian women, you know, I mean in
the States, there's these one uh group that's called cave
Verdi's cave Verdians who anyway, uh look that up.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Yeah, bruh Uh. It's a very very unique.
Speaker 5 (15:39):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
You're gonna go down. You're gonna go down. Levar's you know,
rabbit hole.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
Who mess up the rhythm in a in a good way.
I just I just think that these are the moments
where when I talk about having a healthy culture, understanding
who your.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Guys are, how they're wired, why they do things, don't don't.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
It one by an indict one by saying I side
with this one, like it's like, why would you take
this one? Jamar Chase and said, I liked his approach,
and I hope this one over here doesn't take that approach.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Again and falls back. While I can understand what he's.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
Saying, manage and minimize like exposure or anything like that.
You've ultimately made it a choice between the two players,
and it didn't necessarily need to be that you can
make sense of what Chase Brown said because it's very true.
Finish out, finish like, let's finish out. That is not
an indictment if it is the obvious truth. Finish out
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like the kid is a competitor. Like he's right. Maybe
we can keep it a little bit more internal with
what he said, but he's right, like we all got
to hold ourselves a little bit more accountable and we're
still in this thing to make this thing work.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
Boom, moving on, Jamar. Chase is right.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
He took a different approach, but nonetheless he's correct.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
And valid and what he feels as well.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
I think that's that to me is the ultimate that
should have been the way Zach Taylor handled it, because again,
I think this is a day and age right now
where coaches that show that they're not maintaining their locker
room and that loyalty and that buy in, they're the
ones that are on the chopping block these days.
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Speaker 1 (18:41):
All right, So we talked a little bit yesterday.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
About the Jaden Daniels injury, the dislocated elbow. He's out indefinitely,
and the question afterwards was about, you know, why was
he in the game at that point, and you know,
should he have been taken out of the game earlier
with it being such a wipeout and risking his health,
et cetera, et cetera. Well, Dan Quinn, the Commander's head coach,
(19:06):
UH spoke yesterday and accepted responsibility for that decision.
Speaker 8 (19:10):
I know many of you have been asking about the
thought process of Jayden being in the game in that situation.
I get that I've been thinking about honestly NonStop too.
And you know, for me, the answer is, man, I
missed it, but I would you know, I'll fill you
it on my thought process. At the start of the
fourth Core, I guess it was probably like twelve and
a half minutes left in the game, and that was
(19:32):
gonna be the last drive for a couple of guys
Jayden and Zach and Debo and LT and so we're
gonna have any read run plays and meaning no carries,
you know, for the quarterback on a run. And honestly, man,
that's where I missed it. Of course he could scramble.
It's Jaden, It's what he's special at. And that is
one hundred percent that's on me.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
So that's what he's specialized scrambling. Well, yeah, to me,
that's the bigger that's the bigger point of all it is.
You don't need to take the blame for a player
that got injured doing what they're special ad doing what
am I and I get the conventional wisdom of saying, Okay,
(20:12):
the game's out of reach, like pull your starters out.
I get that, but he didn't. He played his starters
like it's always going to be an easy point of
reference and contention if something like this happens. Like, but
I mean, the man's a coach, he's got to coach
his team.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
What So, So let me ask you this because this
was kind of what like went through my head watching it.
And then even though as you talked a little bit
about yesterday, we didn't have time to fully discuss just discuss,
but we talk about taking out your starters.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
You can only take out so many like we do this.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
In preseason two, or react like oh, yeah, the backups
are all in. Well, okay, your roster size is a
bit bigger then, but once you get to the regular season, like, dude,
you dress forty six.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
You can't pull everyone.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
There's not some sort of whole change, like all the
backups are in, Like you don't dress that many guys.
So I do wonder as a head coach when you
look at where Washington's been, where they've struggled offensively, and
some people had said, well, maybe there's the thought of
trying to get them into a rhythm, or maybe there's
the thought of just trying to get him one decent series,
get a touchdown, trying to get something going out of
(21:16):
that game because they played so poorly. But I also wonder,
like in the locker room, you got other starters are
going to sit in there and have to battle and
have to finish.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Out the game.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Yeah, huh, Like, how do you view it, like if
your starter comes out, how does your mindset change? Because now,
as a defender, like there's probably not many chances, like
many opportunities where you're sitting there thinking to yourself, I
need to protect myself to make sure I get out
of this game healthy, because clearly We're throwing in the
white towel, but I'm still out here.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
You're told to fight for sixty minutes. You're told to
lock in and dial in. If we were to look
around the league we talked about last week prior to
this one, how how not can non competitive? These games
were and teams were getting beat by multiple possessions. How
(22:07):
many of those quarterbacks finished the game? You know, it's
so easy to stop and flash a big light on,
oh my gosh, this coach left their.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Player in, he ends up getting hurt. What are you doing?
You should have pulled him out? Like, look around the league.
Speaker 4 (22:26):
How many quarterbacks that had two possession games, two possession leads,
you know, deficits that they had to overcome, finished out
the game.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
I don't think we need to even.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
Overthink it, the idea of saying, oh, you should have
pulled him, you should have pulled him, Like it's season,
we're in season.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
He's playing the game and he hasn't played that much.
I don't even care if he hasn't.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
If anything, if he hasn't played that much, I'm be like, Okay,
maybe he's tired. Let me give him, let me give
him a play count. Because he could be tired, let
me inch him back in. But if he's up and
running and he's full go, why would you, as a
coach even give that too much thought of We're going
from whistle to whistle for four quarters. It's the regular season,
(23:15):
it's not preseason. So why do I have to be scrutinized.
I mean, you get why scrutinized. It's the profession, it's
part of it. But you don't have You didn't have
anybody else coming out and rage, Oh my gosh, they
had the starter in at the end of the game
and they weren't. They clearly had no chance of winning
(23:35):
the game.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Well, remember it was Carson Wentz last week who defended
the Vikings and defended Kevin O'Connell and them and said, no,
they did not. This is not on them. I wanted
to stay in the game. I knew what the risk
that comes along with this. It was my choice to
stay in. I was in pain and basically defended the
organization because there were some people who are like, well, man,
(23:57):
he's clearly in pain. Why is he still out there?
And then he had up having season ending surgery, you know,
the a few days later, the part that bugs me
about this, and I'm not surprised to.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
Say what My next point was, I hope you say
what I think it is good? Well I say, and
say it with your chest. Well, yeah, it's not going
to be what I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
I don't like that dan Quinn basically caved to the
soft narrative that was put out because of Jaden Daniel's injury. Like,
I don't like the fact that dan Quinn had to
come out. And I'm not surprised because I know he's
a stand up guy and he's a good dude. But
the fact that he came out and accepted responsibility for
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a quarterback getting injured in an NFL game, why because
people were asking, well, what is he still doing in there? Well,
he hasn't played that much. They're trying to get some
sort of a rhythm on offense. I know it's a blowout,
but he's got to get some reps and he's got
to he's got to get back into the swing of
things somehow. Marshaun Lattimore LaVar brought this up yesterday. He
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tore his ac. I mean, is that dan Quinn's fault too?
Like it is, are guys getting injured in the fourth
quarter of games that are out of reach. Is that
the coach's fault because they get injured or is that
just the fact that it's football. It's it's basic sanction violence,
and you're gonna fall and land awkwardly from time to
time and bad things are going to happen. The fact
that dan Quinn had to come out and apologize and
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accept response or take responsibility, I think it's a bad
look and I think it kind of presents him as
a Hey, if you uh, if you talk loud enough
and you uh and and you make enough noise, he's
going to cave to the narratives out there and have
to speak on it out.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
Can I ask you guys one serious question? Absolutely not okay,
never mind rushin, Okay. Why is there no scrutiny on
the decision making of Jaydon Daniels in this situation the
game is out of reach. Yeah, you clearly cannot win
the game.
Speaker 5 (25:56):
That's that's the narrative that that is driving that outrage
in the backlash of the decision.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Making of the head coach, because if he doesn't play hard,
then he gets the Cam Newton treatment and he never
lives down the fashion.
Speaker 5 (26:09):
So if he throws the ball away, I'm if he
if he throws the ball away or hands the ball off,
because if I recall my recollection from what dan Quinn said,
it was usually he hands the ball off in this
situation or throws it to the flat.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
So if it's throwing it to the flat, he can
easily throw it away. It's garbage time. Hand the ball off.
I don't care if you lose five yards running hand
the hand the ball off.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
I get it, like I understand what you're saying, and
I think that comes with playing more and like time
in the League of maturity, where there's a saying like
live to play the next down, because you will not
survive if you keep trying to play outside the pocket
for so many plays.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Eventually you'll get hurt, either via a hit here, either via.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Just unfortunate unluck, you know, not being lucky enough to
be able to get down or side, whatever the case is.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Bad things happen outside the pocket.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
In the pocket, enough bad things happen, but at least
you're protected, so defenders know and they have to let
up to some degree, and they have to hit you
a certain way to some you know, so it changes,
but eventually that comes. The hard thing about what you're saying,
LeVar is you don't want to take out that competitiveness
in him. And again, he hasn't played that much, so
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there's an element two of him wanting to get back
out there and play the way he's accustomed to. So
it's it's complicated. You could see it from both sides.
But I do hate the fact.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
Upset at I don't and I'm not. I'm not attacking
Jaydon Daniels for it. All I'm saying is is if
it was clearly important enough for Jaydeon Daniels to scramble
and pull the ball down in that minute in his
mind to create what he was going to create, what
do people have a problem for, Like, I haven't heard
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one person really sit there and be like, why do
you pull the ball down and start scrambling. It's not
that it's his fault, it's you don't have to come
up with justification.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
He was doing his job. It's fault he was doing it.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
It's just football. It's what I said yesterday. It's it's football.
We can dissect this whole decision from Dan Quinn, from
Jane Daniels. It's football. Correct injuries happen. Correct injuries are
going to happen, and that's unfortunate that it happened. It
was grotesque, It was upsetting to watch it take place.
It's your franchise, guy.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
I get it.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
But if that, like we said, you said Marshaun Lattimore,
if that was any other player on that field doesn't
get this type of attention, does it get this type
of vitriol coming back from it?
Speaker 1 (28:58):
If that's the case, and then you'll wonder why the
culture is.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
And then you heard Dak Prescott touching on it because
they're one of those types of franchises that that's the
way the media covers. Like people may not understand this
because they may be so far removed from the old days,
but the media was actually supposed to be your conduit
to market, advertise and promote the product. These guys used
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to go out after games, smoke jacks together, drink beers together.
Sometimes you drank too much, I'll drop you off. Hey,
get say hi to the wife by first name.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Get them in.
Speaker 5 (29:39):
Maybe it's the local police officer. He drops both of
you off. You guys are at the local pub having
some pops after the freaking game and y'all had a relationship.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
There was an unwritten.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
Rule that the relationship between the media and the players
and the organizations was imperative to the health of the
of the game. Not to tear them down, not to
look for these angles that are so polarizing and just
so sensationalized that you're actually destroying. You're destroying the reputation
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of the coach, You're destroying the reputation of the organization.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
You to apologize, that's not what this is for. You
know what they should have been saying.
Speaker 5 (30:23):
This is a team that was one game away from
getting to the super Bowl the year before. The Clearly
the approach that dan Quinn has brought to a team
that has struggled and suffered for many many moons before
he got here, it's clearly something that's working. Focus in on.
Speaker 4 (30:41):
Okay, it's unfortunate that he got hurt, But dan Quinn,
this new ownership group, they seemingly brought a new energy
that has rejuvenated the organization and the franchise. Why are
you slipping back into your old ways of how to
cover and how to do these things? And then now
it turns into an adversarial relationship. Between the media and
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the organization. Why do you think damn Quinn did it
get you have to put that much apologize. Well, because
it's the nation's capital. That's the way they bro They
like the only the only media market that's worse on handling. Well,
it could be Philly too, but but New York is
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is unforgiving and that's just But you go into it
understanding that's what you signed up for. The Washington DC media,
I'm telling you, they handle it like it's a White
House address.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
I've seen it firsthand. I lived in it, I was
a part of it.
Speaker 5 (31:40):
They covered the Washington football team like they covered the
president and apolitics. Up to the podium next, please heal
Hello everyone, Hello, Hello, good evening to you all.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
He's the chair of the Talking Smack Hitstick Talking Committee.
Speaker 4 (31:58):
I would certainly never go into the details of the
exchanges nor verbal contact that I've made with my opponents,
but I just like to say, respectfully, they played a
wonderful game. They you know, for us, we can stand
to get better. I mean, how amazing were they? Like
you just have to be unassuming give the other team
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credit for what it is that they did it.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
And even if they didn't do it. Still give them credit.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
Underplay under under deliver yourselves and keep it moving. And
it's so generic and it's so bland, but it's necessary
because these cats look for these weird ass angles to
be able to present the team.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Can I be honest with you.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
One of the most disheartening things as a competitor, though,
is having to play out a game where you know
you cannot win. Like you get to a point where
you're like, we're not able to score that many times
with this amount of time left, and you know that,
unfortunately was the position.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
That they were in. It's it's terrible to be playing
out of the game that way, right.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
It's like you know, like like you're watching this this
death come at the at the end, you know it's coming.
You can't stop it. There's nothing you can do about it.
And like I remember we played Baltimore on Monday night
football and we got to a point where we you know,
we weren't gonna able to come back. There was just
like two little time left. We're down by a couple
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scores or a few scores, and our play caller at
the time had called in a play that you would
kind of run more like a two minute situation and
I'll never forget. I was like, I think I even
told Josh Cribs this. I was like, please, Josh, just
get down. I was like, just don't you know, because
Josh Cribs was the type that whether he was a
special teams returner or as a receiver, he was so
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good to yards after contact, yards after the cash, just
trying to get, you know, something more out of it.
And I think I said in the huddles, I just
get down whatever, just get down. Do not try to
extend this. And sure enough, like it was one of
those kind of like throw the slant kind of pitching around.
Speaker 5 (34:06):
That where he got like put to sleep. Now, I
was like a kick return. I think it wasn't. There
was another one.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
This wasn't a kick return. This was on This was
on Monday, the football RISUS Baltimore. I think I just
remember like the whole play plan out and I was like, man, like,
this is worst case scenario.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Because he gets injured. You lose one of your best players.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
I don't know, you know, who knows, you know, how
severe it is, what's happening, and like it wasn't necessary.
We could have just ran the damn ball. And I
kept thinking in my head, I should just check to
a run, like there's there's no point in that case.
But the problem is as a coach, like you know,
they're at a tough spot too, like if they basically
a knowledge defeat, regardless of what point it's at, he's
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gonna be up at that podium talking about something else
that's going to involve like his job and all of that.
Speaker 4 (34:56):
The angles, that's the angles. Adversarial cover, that's the angle.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
And when you lose, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
At the end of the day, there's always gonna be
something they're gonna they're gonna try to target and talk
to you to pick at.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
It's always gonna be about how you lost. Everything else.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
I can't tell you how many times we won and
I came back like, yeah, but I should have done
this or we should have done this, and the media
never asked about it. They don't ask about those like
critical mistakes. You actually made it a win, it's only
in a loss. And so that's the hard part about
even this whole, this whole conversation is dan Quinn was
gonna have to answer to something if it wasn't Jaden
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Daniel's injury, it'd be something else. Maybe it would have
been a lot of Moore's injury. Maybe they would have
you know, pivoted to him. Maybe it would have been
something else that they did or didn't do. But that's
ultimately too. The other issue with all this is that's
what you sign up for as a head coach. You know,
when you lose, it's there's always gonna be a critical
angle and no matter what, nothing you have done is
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gonna be the right decision because everyone's looking with twenty
twenty vision, because they've got the ability to look at
a hindsight and judge every decision you made. And the
unfortunate reality to football to life is that's not how
decisions are made.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
You know.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
Obviously dan Quinn wouldn't have made the decision if he
knew he was gonna get hurt.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
That's easy to say.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
Now, That's that's part of my issue with all this
is like it's an easy position to be in the
media and then have to continually like Harp on this
point when it's a tough position for dan Quinn to
be in the second he pulls out Jane Daniels, they're
admitting defeat the second he pulls out Jane Daniels and
someone else gets hurt.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
It's like, well, why don't you pull that guy out? Why?
Speaker 3 (36:36):
Why don't you pull all the guys out? You know what,
why don't you just ask the end of the game
with ten minutes left in the fourth quarter? You know,
it's like, it's like you're in such a no win
position as a head coach, and that and that in
that particular scenario you can't win.
Speaker 4 (36:50):
You shouldn't have to tell your kid if there is
a fire fireplace that's lit, don't stick your hand in
the fireplace.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
You'll burn your hand.
Speaker 4 (37:03):
You shouldn't have to tell your kids things that common
sense wise, you just don't do. You stay away from it.
If you're at the end of a game and you're
getting blown out. This is something that you learn in
pee wee league. This is something that if you didn't
play pee wee league, you learn a high school level.
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If you played in college, you know in the college level,
if the game is out of reach, do not subject
yourself to injury. And if you do, because you want
to be considered the effort guy. Air quotes, you are
the effort guy who gives it there all on every
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single play. There's nothing wrong with you being that type
of player. There is nothing wrong with it. But you
should not have to tell a player in this scenario.
Make sure you're careful with what you do. That's not quitting,
that's not being a lack of a competitor. That's being
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wise about the scenario. It was a handoff or a pass,
there's no reason for you to try to extend to
play none, and that should be the If you're going
to focus on that one play, why are you scrambling
with a game that's out of reach. So you're basically
saying you need a handler. We're I mean, we make
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these bold claims that, well, quarterbacks are the most intelligent
beings on the football field. If you're so intelligent, then
you understand and you know in this scenario. In fact,
let's be clear, look at the way they call these
games anymore. On any play, I don't care if it's
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the first play or the last play, your thought process.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
Should be, don't get hit.
Speaker 4 (38:59):
The game structured for you to be protected and not
be hurt by hits like the one Jaydon Daniels took
that maybe ended his season. Don't take those types of hits,
not now, not ever, not any time period, and that's
the end of the story.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
Something that he does very well. He did it.
Speaker 4 (39:23):
He pulled the ball down, started moving, moving out of
the pocket, and he got caught. He got caught. Done,
case closed. You don't have to sit there and act
like a grown ass man has to be babysat by
his goddang head coach. That man is coaching the game,
and he has other players that he's got to worry
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about as well. Okay, it's your franchise quarterback.
Speaker 5 (39:46):
I get that, no shade, but I'm just saying, handing
the freaking ball off case closed, throw throw the incomplete
throw the flat you didn't get in the yard.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
So what he is incomplete? So what what mess with
your QB are? So what? So?
Speaker 9 (40:04):
What?
Speaker 1 (40:06):
Like routine play shouldn't even be a conversation.
Speaker 4 (40:09):
And then you're right, Jonas, he should not have come
out and apologized for it. He said he ran it
in his head. Okay, great, you called the play fifty times.
He said, what fifty times out of fifty times you
run this play? It's a handoff four throw? Come on, man,
throw to the flat, which is quick throw to the flat.
Which is quick, same old commanders. I mean, that's what
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it sounds like. At least they trying, they trying to
have them vibes.
Speaker 7 (40:33):
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Speaker 2 (40:44):
It's Two Pros and a Cup of Joe. Fox Sports Radio,
LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knocks. Jonas coming up in
about twenty minutes from now, We're gonna have another edition
of The Leftovers right here on FSR, but right now
the ones we go to our man, Dean Blandino, Fox Sports,
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NFL College Football Rules Analyst. Now you're doing You can
get him on X if you dare at Dean Blandino, Dean, Dean,
what's happening now you're doing?
Speaker 4 (41:19):
Dean?
Speaker 9 (41:20):
How you guys going your mother? Dean? Hey, don't talk
about my mother? Why?
Speaker 4 (41:29):
Why is that always part of the greeting, like, Hey,
how's your mother?
Speaker 1 (41:32):
How's your mom? Makes me?
Speaker 9 (41:35):
Pillow? Will Set not the guy that hit the game
winning home run in the World Series given id either?
Not that Will Smith? Right?
Speaker 1 (41:41):
Yeah, keep my Mama's name out to mouth.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
Dean, was there was there anything from this weekend NFL
or college? Uh that that sort of irked you. Maybe
a player or a call.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
Or a rule they went one way or the other
that you look at and go not not a big
fan of that anything. Jump out to you.
Speaker 9 (42:04):
Well, Brady's back right, I'm here, brother, thank you. We
missed you last week. Miss you know you you you
were there. I believe, I mean I saw you.
Speaker 3 (42:17):
Like bullying, you know, everyone everyone who takes that approach,
I think didn't understand. It was all trying to distract
Rob so you wouldn't see Mark in the background.
Speaker 9 (42:34):
Got it, got it?
Speaker 1 (42:35):
Got it?
Speaker 3 (42:36):
He gets very He always want like passed the buck
to market. It's like, now we gotta let Mark do
his thing and you just be a professional and do
your job. But like then Rob gets you know, he
just stops what he's doing. It does just like get
the camera to look at Mark. It's like, it's funnier
if you just do your job and then let Mark dance.
Speaker 9 (42:51):
In the background, and then let Mark. But yeah, no,
I get it. I get Rob. Robs used to doing
like big events, like Rob does bowling, like Rob like
that's you.
Speaker 3 (43:01):
You know, God, do you really want me to get
let me get off on a quick tangent here on
that on that moment. So he comes down to South
Florida to do an event. I think it was up
there like del It was up in del Ray or
Boker somewhere, and he goes, oh, you should bring the family.
I said, okay, So we make signs. You know, we
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got like ham Bone, Rob Stone, and who do you
think you are? I am like, we have all these
like for Pete and Pete Webber. We have all these signs.
And we get there and our girls are excited. They're
like yelling and stuff, and everyone kept having the calm
to keep being quiet. Apparently it's like golf, like they
don't like people yelling while they're bowling. And in fact,
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we were down more towards like the middle to end
of the lane and we were holding the signs up
because but because the lighting, apparently one of the bowlers
thought there was like a glare, so they walked over
to our family, but like, can you please tell your
kids to put the signs down? So at this point,
I'm like, why did Rob invite us to this? It's
like it's not a family friendly event. They don't want
us to hold signs up for him, for any of
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the players. Like, the whole thing was a disaster. So
that was my rob Stone Bowling Star. I'll never go
back to another bowling event again after that.
Speaker 9 (44:11):
I didn't realize that that bowlers were that because you know,
my my brother bowls. He's a big bowler, and he
bowled at two ninety eight. One time threw eleven strikes
to brow and the whole bowling alley stopped because it
obviously hit the twelve one year Bowl three hundred game
and he got an eight, and it was like, and
this is in Long Island, like you know, you remember
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the Ryder Cup, Like those are my people, Like we
just everybody was heckling and screaming, and so I didn't
realize bowling was was that that type of that type
of dean.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
I actually did the opposite.
Speaker 2 (44:43):
I did eight and a spare and then eleven straight
strikes for a two ninety I swear to god, yeah,
true story.
Speaker 1 (44:49):
Yeah never came again. He long, Oh yeah, sir.
Speaker 9 (44:54):
The Caleb downs play right, like that's targeting. It's targeting,
and this we've kind of like sometimes it's it's frustrating
for me because I work with the college and the
replay officials and all that, and I think sometimes we
go overboard and making something that isn't targeting targeting, Like
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you know, the running back and the linebacker and they
meet in the hole and they both lower their heads
and then we end up throwing the linebacker out because
he dropped his head. But this is like everybody in
the world down leaves his feet, he launches, it's borderline late.
He hits him in the head neck area, and it's like,
we're finding a way to make that not targeting. And
that was one where if you if you want to
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put that in a in a textbook for what is targeting,
what it looks like. That was it, and that should
have been should have been confirmed.
Speaker 3 (45:44):
What I found interesting about is I looked at it
and I thought, oh, that's that's targeting. He's gonna be ejected.
I'll miss the first half of next week's game. And
then they took it off, but they kept the penalty,
and Clatt's like advocating for this, well, you know, the
intent and all the stuff. I'm like, dude, he was
defenseless like that, that's not like subjective in this case
with the circumstances of that particular play, but he kind
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of applauded it, and I thought, like, this is not
the right direction.
Speaker 9 (46:10):
We're not that's not the play. And I agree with
Joel on there are plays where because of for circumstances,
that it should be fifteen and not an ejection.
Speaker 1 (46:20):
Right, that was not one. That was not one.
Speaker 3 (46:23):
He was dead wrong. And I don't know why he
supported that. But again he'll be calling some more high
state games later on. Maybe that's something to do with it.
You Know what's funny is this segment has become one
in which we now get people who reach out via
social media with questions. And I think one of the
questions and one of the frustrations for NFL fans Dean,
is like what does a.
Speaker 1 (46:42):
Hip drop tackle?
Speaker 3 (46:43):
Because we feel like there's a loose interpretation, that's a
ridiculous call. Well, but again, like, could you help us
define it, help us understand what the officials are singing,
how you guys go about looking for that?
Speaker 9 (46:56):
Yeah, well, it's the definition of a hip drop tackle
is you you wrap up the ball carrier, you leave
your feet, you basically drop the in the rule book
it says unweight, which is like, I don't know, that's
just stupid. It's just you drop to the ground and
you you land on the legs or trap the legs
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of the runner, like that's that's the hip drop. And
we've seen, you know, we've seen some pretty you know,
I think it was I don't know if it was
now going on on on three years. It was in
the playoff game the running Backs of the Cowboys. He
he boke, his leg collared, you know that that was
you know, it's a dangerous when it's when it is
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an egregious flagrant on it, it can lead to pretty
significant injuries. But this this Frankie Lulu thing was like
crazy because I thought last night somebody texting me, Hey,
they suspended Frankielul. What did he do? It was the
repeated violations of the hip drop. And then I watched
the play from the game, something like what the one
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like that, that's not what he's momentum taking him like
he's just trying to make it tackle.
Speaker 4 (48:06):
It happens so fast too, bro, the angle, the angle
of which he came to make contact. If he lets
go so he doesn't hip hip drop, he misses the tackle,
it'll go down as a mistackle. But if he makes
the tackle, you've now labeled it a hip drop, Like
it doesn't necessarily make it a hip drop because he
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he his momentum was going forward.
Speaker 1 (48:31):
He makes contact with the shoulder pads.
Speaker 4 (48:34):
If you're pulling the guy down by his shoulder pads,
you're supposed like you try not hip drop or dropping
your your level. It's like cow cow staer bulldogging right,
like you gotta drop your weight, you gotta like, have
you seen what these guys squat?
Speaker 1 (48:52):
Like? Did you see what Saquan squads?
Speaker 9 (48:54):
You?
Speaker 4 (48:54):
Have you seen Derrick Henry's stiff arms and the things
he does in the weight room on in a season,
Tell me, please explain to me how Lulu gets a
guy down if he's thinking about, oh, you can't hip
drop or you got to follow a certain type of
way when you make contact with Sakwan Barkley or Derrick
Henry or any of these guys out, How does that work?
Speaker 1 (49:15):
How does that work?
Speaker 9 (49:17):
It doesn't work. And this rule they put in and
this is health and safety, you know, the health and
safety people of the NFL. And look that's important. We
get it it's it's really important. You want to protect
the players from unnecessary risk. But this to me is like,
this isn't. This isn't Roy Williams back in the day
with the horse, it was intentional. It was I'm going
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to grab your collar and I'm going to drop and
I'm going to you know, and this is just trying
to make a play and that I mean, it's to
have a suspension and this does not get called. This
has been called twice all year because it's such a
hard play to officiate. So they told the officials, you know,
you better be a thousand per cent sure to throw
a flag. And the two times they've thrown it, it's like,
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you know, is that a foul? Is that not a foul?
So they're just strictly doing it during the week on
on tape, and you've got the you've got the health
and safety people, you have the compliance people. John Runyon,
you know he used to play for the Eagles, know LeVar,
you know he I love John.
Speaker 1 (50:15):
But nasty. It was nasty, I mean him.
Speaker 9 (50:20):
Back in the day. So it's it's you know, it's hard.
I get it in terms of they want to protect
the players, but that's a tough one. When you see
that and you say, Okay, he had a couple of
others and now we're suspending him, that's crazy.
Speaker 4 (50:31):
I think it's crazy to say we're protecting the players.
Here's two reasons why. One I got to keep I
got to keep pulling this one out and and keep
getting clarity on it. And then the second one is
what it is the chip block. You are a defenseless defender.
When a guy hides behind something, he hides behind somebody
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and and and comes out and hits you, that is
a defenseless defender. No different than Okay, I know if
I'm going across the middle and I have to catch
the ball, I know I'm going to get hit eventually.
If I'm pass rushing and I'm a good pass rusher,
I know that there's probably gonna be somebody who tries
to block me along with this guy eventually. But if
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I cannot see you and I am engaged with someone
else trying to get around someone else, you have to
by rules say it's the same exact thing. He is
a defenseless defender. And then another thing, the second one
that I'm seeing. I'm sorry, I'm speaking with so much
passion because I'm sitting here seeing guys get yoked up,
(51:39):
jacked up, and we're talking about player safety. It's the
tight end crack, the tight end crack, like he is
not detectable. And if he is actually cracking down on
a pass rusher from a from a blitz, I mean
from a shift or from a motion, that is a
defenseless defender.
Speaker 1 (52:00):
How is a tight end able to crack a.
Speaker 4 (52:03):
Guy on the line of scrimmage if we're talking about
player safety, if he's getting up the field, then he
should at least you should at least have a rule
that says that defender must be able to see you
before you make contact with them. I mean, isn't that
kind of the courtesy that we're giving receivers no question and.
Speaker 9 (52:24):
Look on the chip block and that's like that's a
version of a blindside block. You don't you know you
could talk about Okay, you know there are rules you
could put in and say, if I'm engaged, we know
a chop block, right, if I'm engaged high, you can't
go low. Well, if I'm engaged and my focus is
on the guy in front of block and somebody just
ear holds me from the side that that should be
a foul. That should be whether it's a it's a
(52:45):
version of a chop block, or you have the blindside
block rule already. And you know they did look at
this a couple of years ago. They try to outlaw
that that you know, that whatever you want to call it,
the wham block whatever. And if you're going outside in,
like if I'm and I'm a receiver and I'm outside
the top two yards at least two yards outside the tackle,
and I come outside in, I can't go low. If
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I'm in motion going back toward the ball, I can't
go low. But if I'm part I if I'm the
tight end and I'm part of that, I'm part of
that interior, I can come across and I can go low.
Or if I cross the center, I can go low.
So and like you said, for those who are going
to be the defensive player can't see it, and then
that could lead to injuries. So I know they looked
at that. And actually when I think it was the
(53:29):
Jets and that was I know Robert Solo, that was
a big thing for him when he was with the Jets.
They proposed it. It didn't get a lot of traction.
But I agree with you when we're talking about player safety,
those seem like things that are more, you know, as
an intentional block, where this loving thing, he's just he's
making a tackle and the bodies just go that way
as they go to the ground.
Speaker 2 (53:50):
Dean Blandino with us here on Fox Sports Radio. Dean
watching the Bengals Bears game, there was a moment and
I don't know when this rule changed. I think, you know,
Adam Archiletta and Sparrodidas were also kind of confused by
it as well too. But andre Yosi Vash caught the
ball for a touchdown on what was thought to be
(54:11):
a touchdown, but it was ruled that he stepped out
of bounds and he was the first player to touch
the ball after coming back in bounds. I was always
under the impression that that was a penalty. Apparently it's
just an incomplete pass. They just ruled an incomplete pass
and they picked the flag up. What is the rule there?
And did that change recently? And maybe we just didn't
(54:33):
know about it.
Speaker 9 (54:35):
So the rule is if the receiver goes out of bounds,
either on their own or through legal contact, they can't
they can't come back inbounds and be the first to
touch and you become back inbounds when you re establish
with both feet. So he goes out a bounds, then
he gets both feet back inbounds and he touched it.
(54:55):
That's a foul. If he doesn't reestablish and he touches it,
it's just an income complete pass. So that's what they
ruled that he did. He didn't re establish with both
feet before the ball was touched. And uh and they
and so they just picked up the flag made they
did in complete pass versus versus the penalty when you
actually touch it after getting both feetback in.
Speaker 3 (55:16):
Interesting one more thing from that game, Dean, have you
ever seen a challenge where a team is hoping to
get a touch back and results in the opponent getting it?
Is that the first time we've ever seen that in
a coach's challenge.
Speaker 9 (55:29):
It's happened before, It's happened before, and it's it's kind
of like, oh my god, not not in a while.
It's I remember play, Oh man, this is going back
where it was. It was both it was it was
the Steelers and the Ravens, don't want to say, and
it was a it was a it was a catch
rule to catch at the goal line, and they rule
(55:54):
to catch. Forget it was on defense. The defense wanted
to challenge that it was incomplete. The offense one of
the challenge that it was a touchdown, and so the
defense ends up challenging that it's incomplete and they end
up saying no, it's a catch and gets what it's
a touchdown. So it's one of those It's one of
those deals where it's like, Okay, coach, I got some
good news and I got some bad news. Like what
(56:15):
do you want? You want? You want the challenge?
Speaker 3 (56:18):
But is that to you in your position or just
having knowledge of all this kind of on the guy
up in the booth or the box, who's got that
TV that he's looking at, who's should be giving his
head coach better, better instruction and direction at that point?
Speaker 1 (56:33):
Is that who it falls on?
Speaker 8 (56:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (56:35):
Yeah, and those guys that they have a tough job
because you know there the coaches got you know, they
want that information right away. They've got they've got a
video they've got a video screen, and they've got some angles.
They can't really control any of the angles, but they're
watching what the replay booths is queuing up, and yeah,
that's on that person to say, Okay, we you know,
(56:58):
we don't want to challenge this because this this could
end up going the other way and this would be
this would be obviously a bad deal. And that's that's
what happened. But those guys have a tough job because
it's so you don't have a ton of time to
make those decisions.
Speaker 1 (57:12):
Dean, where are you at this weekend? You got a
going on?
Speaker 9 (57:15):
Were Well, we were supposed to be this little little
background of on on how the scheduling works. We were
supposed to be in Washington for Detroit to the Lions
and the Commanders, but the commanders have lost everybody and
and so now we're we're switched to what we think
is going to be hopefully a better game the we're
doing Seattle at the at the Niners.
Speaker 1 (57:38):
Nice. Wow, should be a good game.
Speaker 2 (57:39):
Yeah yeah, j Dean always fund Fox Sports College Football rules.
Speaker 9 (57:46):
Yeah, Rams at the Niners. I got my week's Rams
at the Niners.
Speaker 1 (57:49):
Yeah, which okay, Yeah, good game, good battle.
Speaker 9 (57:52):
Somebody at the Niners. Somebody at the Niners could be
could be the Jaguars, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (57:56):
Ye have fun the side of the Super Bowl, so uh,
you know, have fun up there.
Speaker 1 (58:01):
Dean. There is the Great Dean Blandino with us here
on Fox Sports Radio
It is time right now for the tire rack play
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Speaker 2 (00:03):
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
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(00:40):
buying should be. I did think it was funny last
night when Drakeman was like, yeah, you know, Jerry Jones
talking about making a trade, But I don't know that
there's a trade that's going to be available.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
It's going to help this team right now, It's just there.
They're not you get a pass rusher. Here's what I
don't get.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Jordan Schultzer reports that Mazzi Smith is a healthy, healthy,
inactive in preparation for potentially being on the trade block
right their former first round pick out of Michigan. And
I'm thinking to myself, like, wasn't it before the season
all it was all about getting Kenny Clark because they
couldn't stop the run. And that's why they got rid
of Micah Parsons because they want to pay him. And
(01:20):
you know that that whole narrative happened. Now you're getting
rid of a guy he drafted to it essentially clog
up the middle and stopped the run.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
That even makes any sense.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
They've also been linked to Trey Hendrickson, so they didn't
want to pay mic before the year.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
But you're going to go trade for a pass rusher.
You got one of the premier pass rushers in the league,
and you go go trade for another one.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
They would almost be paying Trey Hendrickson half of what
mic is making, so.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Well, they would probably get half of the time from
from from Trey.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Hey, no, I'm just saying how much old her?
Speaker 5 (01:53):
Why?
Speaker 4 (01:54):
Because he's white, that's part of it. But they black
don't crack.
Speaker 5 (01:59):
But I'm just saying I'm just giving it to everybody today. Yes,
I'm saying how much older is he?
Speaker 4 (02:06):
Then, Michael Parsons with your white as that that is
not what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
He's just older, That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Can we run with that as one of the headlines
on social media? Birst Can we just say LeVar Arrington
says Trey Hendrickson's inferior because he's white.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Just say that on it and see, uh see how
that plays.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
Let's let's watch how that gets out and when it's
taken literally put out there out of contact.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Let's see the blowback.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
I get on into some views a shoulder bump to Trandrickson, so.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Random people bumping me out in public? What well that
thing got like ten point six million views.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
Yeah, I mean it's a dope little clip. Bruh, I
know it is.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
This is what I don't underst I don't understand anything anymore.
I really don't. I don't understand anything.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
So I think with that, I'll say this.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
You got this tall, y'all good looking, strapping man who
hi hipp Rob Stone, who's doing an amazing drop and
teaser for for the show. And then you got little
man like you got a little man in the background
who everybody knows and respects about the way anybody who
(03:21):
ever meets mark Ingram is like totally enamored by him
and loves his personality, loves hanging with him. And so
once you look at it in context, you seem like
making fun and doing things in the background, and it
is a trending dance, like that dance is trending. He
was smart for doing it because it hit the algorithm
(03:43):
of all these people doing that dance, like the football
players are doing it when they score touchdowns. People are
doing it randomly, like it's just it's it's the trend
that's the algorithm. You gotta pull it up to see it.
I've not studied it enough to know how to do
it. It's not in my spare time.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
I didn't know that was a trending dance. It is
just having sex with the air dang.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
I mean it is a gyration of the hips and
its like you know, but.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
That's smart because that's what that's what people are paying
attention to. So then it just catches the algorithm on
people doing that dance, that trending dance, and people were
watching it and they like went through the whole process.
I said, like, oh, look at this dude, like he
just bumped him. Oh wow, that's the TV show, you know,
the one that they do before the games on Saturday,
(04:34):
like boom, they're putting all these dots together, which made
Jos's trending video way better than anybody else's trending video
unless it was like Shaquille O'Neill or somebody that's famous
doing the dance.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
I mean as somebody who's a regular watcher and supporter
of Big newon Kickoff because I'm a loyal friend. Uh,
this is not the first time that they've messed with Robstone,
you know, and.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Now everybody's just sort of catching on to it. It's
just a.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
Cool thing about knowing something that they've always done. But
you get an opportunity, like you explained it perfectly earlier.
Jona's like you get a guy that you don't think
really jokes around, you know, or or just like really serious,
like oh coming up next on the should at all, like,
oh for them to win today, here are the keys
to the game. And then they start going into all
(05:20):
of these details and it gets real, real detailed from
the details, and then it's like, oh wait, he's actually
a person, like he actually jokes around or he can
make you laugh like.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
You're talking about Rob Stone. No, he's talking about you. Actually, Yeah,
Brady's a sloppy it's like the rest of us. But
nobody would know that scumbag to him.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
Nobody would know that he's like a prankster and a
jokester with what he does.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
When you know that, I try to mess with far
every time I get a chance, just get a rise up.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
But that's the beauty of it. Like people don't know that.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
So it's like when you get an opportunity to have
those moments, it hits way harder.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
It just hits hard, if you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
We get it on this again, ah, because it's just
you know, you should have got pivot over.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Pivoted from the racial comment he made a mountain tree Hendrickson.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
That's what it was.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
Well, it took a black man to make sure that
it went over ten million views, Like it took that
that flavor, that spice, that that added spice to what
was going on, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah,
that's all. Yeah, speaking of if you want to throw
some spice on it, why not throw some Louisiana Hot
Sauce on that over ten million views. You know what,
(06:26):
it goes perfectly, great balance of peppers, vinegar and salt.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
You could put it on ten million viewed videos. You
could put it on wings, nachos, burgers. It tastes good
on all of it. If you asked me that Tailgate
Food hit it with that bold, hand crafted flavor of
the original Louisiana hot sauce. That's Louisiana Hot about you
some We're hungry, We're hungry for more. Throw some hot
sauce on it.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
So Chase Brown had those comments about the defense for
the Cincinnati Bengals, speaking of Trey Hendrickson.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
The white Guy, Levars Barrier, and Zach Taylor.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
The head coach, spoke about the difference in approaches from
one Jamar Chase, who said, I'm not going to come
out after anybody.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
I don't want them questioning what the f I'm.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Doing, and Chase Brown, who basically called out the defense specifically.
Here was the Bengals head coach yesterday.
Speaker 6 (07:18):
If you're not doing everything you can on your own,
you know, and I've pointed that out with Chase. You know,
there's two big plays that we could have done better
that would have led to points, And so I think
I liked Jamar a.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Little bit better.
Speaker 6 (07:29):
I can tell Jamar is frustrated, but he didn't want
guys coming at him if he's had a poor performance
or something that he was disappointed in. So I trust
that that's a one time thing and what we'll learn
from that. That's not how we want to react. And
one of our best players, one of our highest character players,
I think, in a moment's frustration, said that, And I
don't expect that time again.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Wouldn't you say that?
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Chase Brown doing that publicly and the way that game
played out, even though everybody acknowledges that the offense is fine,
but the fact that that happened is a bad look
for Zach Taylor.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
And I just wonder.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
If, for whatever reason, this continues down the path that
it's going and it doesn't appear like the defense is
going to get any better and they're just going to
be floundering and missing the playoffs again. I mean, is
Zach Taylor's job safe, because it feels like if that
job opens up, that's got to be maybe.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
The most coveted job in the league. With Joe Burrow
as your quarterback.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
I mean, so it's kind of a weird spot to
be in because, yeah, Joe Burrows hasn't been healthy for
Zach Taylor, but this season and that the way that
played out on Sunday, I don't know who else you
point the blame at other than Zach Taylor or who
else will be the fall guy.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Rather, I kind of listen to that, and I don't.
To me, it's not about Chase Brown. It's not about
his reaction. I think both LaVar and I would agree
like you, when you have an one side of the
ball that performs the way they have the last two weeks,
when you look at what's happened to that side of
the ball, Joe Burrow being out again, I mean, it
(09:03):
feels like it's a broken record if you're a Bengals
player who's been there with Joe Burrow with how much
time he's missed. And what's frustrating about it is he
is such a difference maker.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Like it could be one thing if he was like
kind of average, but he's not.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
I mean, he's he's that talented of a player, So
it's even more frustrating that they can't keep him healthy.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
He can't be out there. It's always something.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
And then after you go through a period of time
where you don't feel like there's any hope.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Maybe with Jake Browning, you get Joe Flaccowan, and you've got.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
A guy who's playing at as high of a levels
of Bengals quarterback maybe has and that includes, by the way,
Joe Burrow.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
If you look at what he's done in the.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Last two weeks, I mean, I thought that saw an
interesting stat Not to get off on a tangent, but
the sack percentage for Joe Flacco is like half of.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
That that it has been with Burrow.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
I mean, he against the ball at quicker, he's able
to kind of move that the change when not taking
as many negative plays. Not saying that they're gonna pick
Joe Flack over Joe Burrow by any means, just saying
it's even changed the dynamics of how the offensive line
is viewed because they're able to protect him better given
him getting the football out of his hand quicker. But
the general point is the frustration is understandable. What Pete
(10:21):
said yesterday Pete Prisco when he joined us, was that
you keep changing these coordinators and you keep kind of
getting the same results, you're not really maximizing it, and
eventually they're going to start pointing to the head coach.
And it's unfortunate because I think if Joe Burrow's healthy
for the entirety of his time with Zach Taylor, we're
probably never having this conversation because they're a perennial playoff team,
(10:42):
but because he hasn't been. If you look at it,
started looking at the coaching record, you start becoming concern
questioning it. And it's just the unfortunate reality of what
this has been. It's been a team that has gone
churned through coordinators. I mean some in the case of
Brian Callahan going to take a another head coaching job,
but you know, Louis and Rumo, he moves on. Cults
(11:05):
are looking looking good. Al Golden comes in, can't. I mean,
you're the You're the worst defense in the league and
in any category yards points, So I don't. I don't
look at this and I sit there and say, this
is purely on what Zach Taylor's done. It's been really
unfortunate how it's all worked out for him. But eventually
someone's gonna start pointing the finger at you, and they
(11:25):
just say, maybe we need a change to find someone
who can figure this out, you know, figure out how
to find more consistency from our defense or a little improvement. Uh,
you figure out a way of keeping Joe Burrow healthy.
You know, they're just they're they're looking for answers, and
eventually they start to point at the head coach.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
I'm going to go back to Chase Brown for a
moment here and maybe put it in a little bit
of context, because I happened to have made multiples and
the mentality of a mommultiple that has a identical twin
brother that also made it into the National Football League.
(12:09):
Let's just say the mentality of a multiple is way
different than just a regular person. The ones that are
high achieving, over achieving multiples, their relationship dynamics are, I mean,
even with their other siblings, is staunchly different than somebody
(12:31):
who's just been by themselves or is a singular child.
So when you look at a Chase Brown calling out
something that's very obvious. He didn't call anybody out by name,
but what he ultimately was doing was he was voicing
his opinion. It was an obvious opinion. It was not
(12:54):
an opinion where like to me, if I was comparing
this to.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
What Tua did, Tua took it.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
In a lane where it was very very easy to
pick away from it and indict other players that are
on that roster. For Chase Brown to hold himself and
the rest of the team, because even though it can
be perceived that he was talking about the defense finishing
(13:24):
and making sure they need to do what they need
to do, saying that saying that we need at the
end of the day, we need to finish. If I'm
Zach Taylor, I don't choose sides. The level of accountability
that a twin has a multiple has they never been
by themselves ever, not one moment in their lives have
(13:44):
they ever been together even pre life they just well
maybe the minutes between them being born. But you know,
you're talking about a matter of minutes, like my twins
are ten minutes apart. But yeah, right, So the level
of accountability is different for guys like that. And again,
both of them are in the league, so you know,
(14:04):
you're more likely to get struck by lightning or win
the lottery than get drafted or play in the National
Football League. And two of them are in the league,
so they're high achieving people. So I think when you
have it in proper context, that these guys are like
competing at the highest of high levels to go from
where they came from to where they are.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Now in the league.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
They're not taking anything for granted. And I think that
sometimes it should be said, like, let's not take this
for granted, just us having the opportunity to be here
and put these uniforms on and play the game. And
if I think, if it's put in the proper context,
like that's part of knowing who your personnel is. Like,
(14:47):
if I'm Zach Taylor, I say it like he's a multiple,
you know what that dude had to go through in
order to make it to where he is right now.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
I have to go through.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
Tell us far I don't know being a multiple, Well,
he's making it from being a Canadian Canadian kid, So.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
I was gonna say, I mean, he's probably still pissed
off about the Blue Jays losang.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
Yeah, I mean there's the possibility you gotta finish probably
addicted to maple syrup. I mean, if you think that
their maple syrup is is definitely the lick right out,
just put that joint right in the tree, and just
go ahead and plug it, and and and and get
a hold of it. Put it right on your pancakes
right there.
Speaker 5 (15:24):
You used to Canadian women, you know, I mean in
the States, there's these one uh group that's called cave
Verdi's cave Verdians who anyway, uh look that up.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Yeah, bruh Uh. It's a very very unique.
Speaker 5 (15:39):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
You're gonna go down. You're gonna go down. Levar's you know,
rabbit hole.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
Who mess up the rhythm in a in a good way.
I just I just think that these are the moments
where when I talk about having a healthy culture, understanding
who your.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Guys are, how they're wired, why they do things, don't don't.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
It one by an indict one by saying I side
with this one, like it's like, why would you take
this one? Jamar Chase and said, I liked his approach,
and I hope this one over here doesn't take that approach.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Again and falls back. While I can understand what he's.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
Saying, manage and minimize like exposure or anything like that.
You've ultimately made it a choice between the two players,
and it didn't necessarily need to be that you can
make sense of what Chase Brown said because it's very true.
Finish out, finish like, let's finish out. That is not
an indictment if it is the obvious truth. Finish out
(16:41):
like the kid is a competitor. Like he's right. Maybe
we can keep it a little bit more internal with
what he said, but he's right, like we all got
to hold ourselves a little bit more accountable and we're
still in this thing to make this thing work.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
Boom, moving on, Jamar. Chase is right.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
He took a different approach, but nonetheless he's correct.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
And valid and what he feels as well.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
I think that's that to me is the ultimate that
should have been the way Zach Taylor handled it, because again,
I think this is a day and age right now
where coaches that show that they're not maintaining their locker
room and that loyalty and that buy in, they're the
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Speaker 1 (18:41):
All right, So we talked a little bit yesterday.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
About the Jaden Daniels injury, the dislocated elbow. He's out indefinitely,
and the question afterwards was about, you know, why was
he in the game at that point, and you know,
should he have been taken out of the game earlier
with it being such a wipeout and risking his health,
et cetera, et cetera. Well, Dan Quinn, the Commander's head coach,
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UH spoke yesterday and accepted responsibility for that decision.
Speaker 8 (19:10):
I know many of you have been asking about the
thought process of Jayden being in the game in that situation.
I get that I've been thinking about honestly NonStop too.
And you know, for me, the answer is, man, I
missed it, but I would you know, I'll fill you
it on my thought process. At the start of the
fourth Core, I guess it was probably like twelve and
a half minutes left in the game, and that was
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gonna be the last drive for a couple of guys
Jayden and Zach and Debo and LT and so we're
gonna have any read run plays and meaning no carries,
you know, for the quarterback on a run. And honestly, man,
that's where I missed it. Of course he could scramble.
It's Jaden, It's what he's special at. And that is
one hundred percent that's on me.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
So that's what he's specialized scrambling. Well, yeah, to me,
that's the bigger that's the bigger point of all it is.
You don't need to take the blame for a player
that got injured doing what they're special ad doing what
am I and I get the conventional wisdom of saying, Okay,
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the game's out of reach, like pull your starters out.
I get that, but he didn't. He played his starters
like it's always going to be an easy point of
reference and contention if something like this happens. Like, but
I mean, the man's a coach, he's got to coach
his team.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
What So, So let me ask you this because this
was kind of what like went through my head watching it.
And then even though as you talked a little bit
about yesterday, we didn't have time to fully discuss just discuss,
but we talk about taking out your starters.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
You can only take out so many like we do this.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
In preseason two, or react like oh, yeah, the backups
are all in. Well, okay, your roster size is a
bit bigger then, but once you get to the regular season, like, dude,
you dress forty six.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
You can't pull everyone.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
There's not some sort of whole change, like all the
backups are in, Like you don't dress that many guys.
So I do wonder as a head coach when you
look at where Washington's been, where they've struggled offensively, and
some people had said, well, maybe there's the thought of
trying to get them into a rhythm, or maybe there's
the thought of just trying to get him one decent series,
get a touchdown, trying to get something going out of
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that game because they played so poorly. But I also wonder,
like in the locker room, you got other starters are
going to sit in there and have to battle and
have to finish.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Out the game.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Yeah, huh, Like, how do you view it, like if
your starter comes out, how does your mindset change? Because now,
as a defender, like there's probably not many chances, like
many opportunities where you're sitting there thinking to yourself, I
need to protect myself to make sure I get out
of this game healthy, because clearly We're throwing in the
white towel, but I'm still out here.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
You're told to fight for sixty minutes. You're told to
lock in and dial in. If we were to look
around the league we talked about last week prior to
this one, how how not can non competitive? These games
were and teams were getting beat by multiple possessions. How
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many of those quarterbacks finished the game? You know, it's
so easy to stop and flash a big light on,
oh my gosh, this coach left their.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Player in, he ends up getting hurt. What are you doing?
You should have pulled him out? Like, look around the league.
Speaker 4 (22:26):
How many quarterbacks that had two possession games, two possession leads,
you know, deficits that they had to overcome, finished out
the game.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
I don't think we need to even.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
Overthink it, the idea of saying, oh, you should have
pulled him, you should have pulled him, Like it's season,
we're in season.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
He's playing the game and he hasn't played that much.
I don't even care if he hasn't.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
If anything, if he hasn't played that much, I'm be like, Okay,
maybe he's tired. Let me give him, let me give
him a play count. Because he could be tired, let
me inch him back in. But if he's up and
running and he's full go, why would you, as a
coach even give that too much thought of We're going
from whistle to whistle for four quarters. It's the regular season,
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it's not preseason. So why do I have to be scrutinized.
I mean, you get why scrutinized. It's the profession, it's
part of it. But you don't have You didn't have
anybody else coming out and rage, Oh my gosh, they
had the starter in at the end of the game
and they weren't. They clearly had no chance of winning
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the game.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Well, remember it was Carson Wentz last week who defended
the Vikings and defended Kevin O'Connell and them and said, no,
they did not. This is not on them. I wanted
to stay in the game. I knew what the risk
that comes along with this. It was my choice to
stay in. I was in pain and basically defended the
organization because there were some people who are like, well, man,
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he's clearly in pain. Why is he still out there?
And then he had up having season ending surgery, you know,
the a few days later, the part that bugs me
about this, and I'm not surprised to.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
Say what My next point was, I hope you say
what I think it is good? Well I say, and
say it with your chest. Well, yeah, it's not going
to be what I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
I don't like that dan Quinn basically caved to the
soft narrative that was put out because of Jaden Daniel's injury. Like,
I don't like the fact that dan Quinn had to
come out. And I'm not surprised because I know he's
a stand up guy and he's a good dude. But
the fact that he came out and accepted responsibility for
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a quarterback getting injured in an NFL game, why because
people were asking, well, what is he still doing in there? Well,
he hasn't played that much. They're trying to get some
sort of a rhythm on offense. I know it's a blowout,
but he's got to get some reps and he's got
to he's got to get back into the swing of
things somehow. Marshaun Lattimore LaVar brought this up yesterday. He
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tore his ac. I mean, is that dan Quinn's fault too?
Like it is, are guys getting injured in the fourth
quarter of games that are out of reach. Is that
the coach's fault because they get injured or is that
just the fact that it's football. It's it's basic sanction violence,
and you're gonna fall and land awkwardly from time to
time and bad things are going to happen. The fact
that dan Quinn had to come out and apologize and
(25:21):
accept response or take responsibility, I think it's a bad
look and I think it kind of presents him as
a Hey, if you uh, if you talk loud enough
and you uh and and you make enough noise, he's
going to cave to the narratives out there and have
to speak on it out.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
Can I ask you guys one serious question? Absolutely not okay,
never mind rushin, Okay. Why is there no scrutiny on
the decision making of Jaydon Daniels in this situation the
game is out of reach. Yeah, you clearly cannot win
the game.
Speaker 5 (25:56):
That's that's the narrative that that is driving that outrage
in the backlash of the decision.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Making of the head coach, because if he doesn't play hard,
then he gets the Cam Newton treatment and he never
lives down the fashion.
Speaker 5 (26:09):
So if he throws the ball away, I'm if he
if he throws the ball away or hands the ball off,
because if I recall my recollection from what dan Quinn said,
it was usually he hands the ball off in this
situation or throws it to the flat.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
So if it's throwing it to the flat, he can
easily throw it away. It's garbage time. Hand the ball off.
I don't care if you lose five yards running hand
the hand the ball off.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
I get it, like I understand what you're saying, and
I think that comes with playing more and like time
in the League of maturity, where there's a saying like
live to play the next down, because you will not
survive if you keep trying to play outside the pocket
for so many plays.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Eventually you'll get hurt, either via a hit here, either via.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Just unfortunate unluck, you know, not being lucky enough to
be able to get down or side, whatever the case is.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Bad things happen outside the pocket.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
In the pocket, enough bad things happen, but at least
you're protected, so defenders know and they have to let
up to some degree, and they have to hit you
a certain way to some you know, so it changes,
but eventually that comes. The hard thing about what you're saying,
LeVar is you don't want to take out that competitiveness
in him. And again, he hasn't played that much, so
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there's an element two of him wanting to get back
out there and play the way he's accustomed to. So
it's it's complicated. You could see it from both sides.
But I do hate the fact.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
Upset at I don't and I'm not. I'm not attacking
Jaydon Daniels for it. All I'm saying is is if
it was clearly important enough for Jaydeon Daniels to scramble
and pull the ball down in that minute in his
mind to create what he was going to create, what
do people have a problem for, Like, I haven't heard
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one person really sit there and be like, why do
you pull the ball down and start scrambling. It's not
that it's his fault, it's you don't have to come
up with justification.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
He was doing his job. It's fault he was doing it.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
It's just football. It's what I said yesterday. It's it's football.
We can dissect this whole decision from Dan Quinn, from
Jane Daniels. It's football. Correct injuries happen. Correct injuries are
going to happen, and that's unfortunate that it happened. It
was grotesque, It was upsetting to watch it take place.
It's your franchise, guy.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
I get it.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
But if that, like we said, you said Marshaun Lattimore,
if that was any other player on that field doesn't
get this type of attention, does it get this type
of vitriol coming back from it?
Speaker 1 (28:58):
If that's the case, and then you'll wonder why the
culture is.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
And then you heard Dak Prescott touching on it because
they're one of those types of franchises that that's the
way the media covers. Like people may not understand this
because they may be so far removed from the old days,
but the media was actually supposed to be your conduit
to market, advertise and promote the product. These guys used
(29:26):
to go out after games, smoke jacks together, drink beers together.
Sometimes you drank too much, I'll drop you off. Hey,
get say hi to the wife by first name.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Get them in.
Speaker 5 (29:39):
Maybe it's the local police officer. He drops both of
you off. You guys are at the local pub having
some pops after the freaking game and y'all had a relationship.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
There was an unwritten.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
Rule that the relationship between the media and the players
and the organizations was imperative to the health of the
of the game. Not to tear them down, not to
look for these angles that are so polarizing and just
so sensationalized that you're actually destroying. You're destroying the reputation
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of the coach, You're destroying the reputation of the organization.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
You to apologize, that's not what this is for. You
know what they should have been saying.
Speaker 5 (30:23):
This is a team that was one game away from
getting to the super Bowl the year before. The Clearly
the approach that dan Quinn has brought to a team
that has struggled and suffered for many many moons before
he got here, it's clearly something that's working. Focus in on.
Speaker 4 (30:41):
Okay, it's unfortunate that he got hurt, But dan Quinn,
this new ownership group, they seemingly brought a new energy
that has rejuvenated the organization and the franchise. Why are
you slipping back into your old ways of how to
cover and how to do these things? And then now
it turns into an adversarial relationship. Between the media and
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the organization. Why do you think damn Quinn did it
get you have to put that much apologize. Well, because
it's the nation's capital. That's the way they bro They
like the only the only media market that's worse on handling. Well,
it could be Philly too, but but New York is
(31:25):
is unforgiving and that's just But you go into it
understanding that's what you signed up for. The Washington DC media,
I'm telling you, they handle it like it's a White
House address.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
I've seen it firsthand. I lived in it, I was
a part of it.
Speaker 5 (31:40):
They covered the Washington football team like they covered the
president and apolitics. Up to the podium next, please heal
Hello everyone, Hello, Hello, good evening to you all.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
He's the chair of the Talking Smack Hitstick Talking Committee.
Speaker 4 (31:58):
I would certainly never go into the details of the
exchanges nor verbal contact that I've made with my opponents,
but I just like to say, respectfully, they played a
wonderful game. They you know, for us, we can stand
to get better. I mean, how amazing were they? Like
you just have to be unassuming give the other team
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credit for what it is that they did it.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
And even if they didn't do it. Still give them credit.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
Underplay under under deliver yourselves and keep it moving. And
it's so generic and it's so bland, but it's necessary
because these cats look for these weird ass angles to
be able to present the team.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Can I be honest with you.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
One of the most disheartening things as a competitor, though,
is having to play out a game where you know
you cannot win. Like you get to a point where
you're like, we're not able to score that many times
with this amount of time left, and you know that,
unfortunately was the position.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
That they were in. It's it's terrible to be playing
out of the game that way, right.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
It's like you know, like like you're watching this this
death come at the at the end, you know it's coming.
You can't stop it. There's nothing you can do about it.
And like I remember we played Baltimore on Monday night
football and we got to a point where we you know,
we weren't gonna able to come back. There was just
like two little time left. We're down by a couple
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scores or a few scores, and our play caller at
the time had called in a play that you would
kind of run more like a two minute situation and
I'll never forget. I was like, I think I even
told Josh Cribs this. I was like, please, Josh, just
get down. I was like, just don't you know, because
Josh Cribs was the type that whether he was a
special teams returner or as a receiver, he was so
(33:49):
good to yards after contact, yards after the cash, just
trying to get, you know, something more out of it.
And I think I said in the huddles, I just
get down whatever, just get down. Do not try to
extend this. And sure enough, like it was one of
those kind of like throw the slant kind of pitching around.
Speaker 5 (34:06):
That where he got like put to sleep. Now, I
was like a kick return. I think it wasn't. There
was another one.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
This wasn't a kick return. This was on This was
on Monday, the football RISUS Baltimore. I think I just
remember like the whole play plan out and I was like, man, like,
this is worst case scenario.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Because he gets injured. You lose one of your best players.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
I don't know, you know, who knows, you know, how
severe it is, what's happening, and like it wasn't necessary.
We could have just ran the damn ball. And I
kept thinking in my head, I should just check to
a run, like there's there's no point in that case.
But the problem is as a coach, like you know,
they're at a tough spot too, like if they basically
a knowledge defeat, regardless of what point it's at, he's
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gonna be up at that podium talking about something else
that's going to involve like his job and all of that.
Speaker 4 (34:56):
The angles, that's the angles. Adversarial cover, that's the angle.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
And when you lose, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
At the end of the day, there's always gonna be
something they're gonna they're gonna try to target and talk
to you to pick at.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
It's always gonna be about how you lost. Everything else.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
I can't tell you how many times we won and
I came back like, yeah, but I should have done
this or we should have done this, and the media
never asked about it. They don't ask about those like
critical mistakes. You actually made it a win, it's only
in a loss. And so that's the hard part about
even this whole, this whole conversation is dan Quinn was
gonna have to answer to something if it wasn't Jaden
(35:34):
Daniel's injury, it'd be something else. Maybe it would have
been a lot of Moore's injury. Maybe they would have
you know, pivoted to him. Maybe it would have been
something else that they did or didn't do. But that's
ultimately too. The other issue with all this is that's
what you sign up for as a head coach. You know,
when you lose, it's there's always gonna be a critical
angle and no matter what, nothing you have done is
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gonna be the right decision because everyone's looking with twenty
twenty vision, because they've got the ability to look at
a hindsight and judge every decision you made. And the
unfortunate reality to football to life is that's not how
decisions are made.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
You know.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
Obviously dan Quinn wouldn't have made the decision if he
knew he was gonna get hurt.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
That's easy to say.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
Now, That's that's part of my issue with all this
is like it's an easy position to be in the
media and then have to continually like Harp on this
point when it's a tough position for dan Quinn to
be in the second he pulls out Jane Daniels, they're
admitting defeat the second he pulls out Jane Daniels and
someone else gets hurt.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
It's like, well, why don't you pull that guy out? Why?
Speaker 3 (36:36):
Why don't you pull all the guys out? You know what,
why don't you just ask the end of the game
with ten minutes left in the fourth quarter? You know,
it's like, it's like you're in such a no win
position as a head coach, and that and that in
that particular scenario you can't win.
Speaker 4 (36:50):
You shouldn't have to tell your kid if there is
a fire fireplace that's lit, don't stick your hand in
the fireplace.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
You'll burn your hand.
Speaker 4 (37:03):
You shouldn't have to tell your kids things that common
sense wise, you just don't do. You stay away from it.
If you're at the end of a game and you're
getting blown out. This is something that you learn in
pee wee league. This is something that if you didn't
play pee wee league, you learn a high school level.
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If you played in college, you know in the college level,
if the game is out of reach, do not subject
yourself to injury. And if you do, because you want
to be considered the effort guy. Air quotes, you are
the effort guy who gives it there all on every
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single play. There's nothing wrong with you being that type
of player. There is nothing wrong with it. But you
should not have to tell a player in this scenario.
Make sure you're careful with what you do. That's not quitting,
that's not being a lack of a competitor. That's being
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wise about the scenario. It was a handoff or a pass,
there's no reason for you to try to extend to
play none, and that should be the If you're going
to focus on that one play, why are you scrambling
with a game that's out of reach. So you're basically
saying you need a handler. We're I mean, we make
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these bold claims that, well, quarterbacks are the most intelligent
beings on the football field. If you're so intelligent, then
you understand and you know in this scenario. In fact,
let's be clear, look at the way they call these
games anymore. On any play, I don't care if it's
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the first play or the last play, your thought process.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
Should be, don't get hit.
Speaker 4 (38:59):
The game structured for you to be protected and not
be hurt by hits like the one Jaydon Daniels took
that maybe ended his season. Don't take those types of hits,
not now, not ever, not any time period, and that's
the end of the story.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
Something that he does very well. He did it.
Speaker 4 (39:23):
He pulled the ball down, started moving, moving out of
the pocket, and he got caught. He got caught. Done,
case closed. You don't have to sit there and act
like a grown ass man has to be babysat by
his goddang head coach. That man is coaching the game,
and he has other players that he's got to worry
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about as well. Okay, it's your franchise quarterback.
Speaker 5 (39:46):
I get that, no shade, but I'm just saying, handing
the freaking ball off case closed, throw throw the incomplete
throw the flat you didn't get in the yard.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
So what he is incomplete? So what what mess with
your QB are? So what? So?
Speaker 9 (40:04):
What?
Speaker 1 (40:06):
Like routine play shouldn't even be a conversation.
Speaker 4 (40:09):
And then you're right, Jonas, he should not have come
out and apologized for it. He said he ran it
in his head. Okay, great, you called the play fifty times.
He said, what fifty times out of fifty times you
run this play? It's a handoff four throw? Come on, man,
throw to the flat, which is quick throw to the flat.
Which is quick, same old commanders. I mean, that's what
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it sounds like. At least they trying, they trying to
have them vibes.
Speaker 7 (40:33):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
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Speaker 2 (40:44):
It's Two Pros and a Cup of Joe. Fox Sports Radio,
LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knocks. Jonas coming up in
about twenty minutes from now, We're gonna have another edition
of The Leftovers right here on FSR, but right now
the ones we go to our man, Dean Blandino, Fox Sports,
(41:07):
NFL College Football Rules Analyst. Now you're doing You can
get him on X if you dare at Dean Blandino, Dean, Dean,
what's happening now you're doing?
Speaker 4 (41:19):
Dean?
Speaker 9 (41:20):
How you guys going your mother? Dean? Hey, don't talk
about my mother? Why?
Speaker 4 (41:29):
Why is that always part of the greeting, like, Hey,
how's your mother?
Speaker 1 (41:32):
How's your mom? Makes me?
Speaker 9 (41:35):
Pillow? Will Set not the guy that hit the game
winning home run in the World Series given id either?
Not that Will Smith? Right?
Speaker 1 (41:41):
Yeah, keep my Mama's name out to mouth.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
Dean, was there was there anything from this weekend NFL
or college? Uh that that sort of irked you. Maybe
a player or a call.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
Or a rule they went one way or the other
that you look at and go not not a big
fan of that anything. Jump out to you.
Speaker 9 (42:04):
Well, Brady's back right, I'm here, brother, thank you. We
missed you last week. Miss you know you you you
were there. I believe, I mean I saw you.
Speaker 3 (42:17):
Like bullying, you know, everyone everyone who takes that approach,
I think didn't understand. It was all trying to distract
Rob so you wouldn't see Mark in the background.
Speaker 9 (42:34):
Got it, got it?
Speaker 1 (42:35):
Got it?
Speaker 3 (42:36):
He gets very He always want like passed the buck
to market. It's like, now we gotta let Mark do
his thing and you just be a professional and do
your job. But like then Rob gets you know, he
just stops what he's doing. It does just like get
the camera to look at Mark. It's like, it's funnier
if you just do your job and then let Mark dance.
Speaker 9 (42:51):
In the background, and then let Mark. But yeah, no,
I get it. I get Rob. Robs used to doing
like big events, like Rob does bowling, like Rob like
that's you.
Speaker 3 (43:01):
You know, God, do you really want me to get
let me get off on a quick tangent here on
that on that moment. So he comes down to South
Florida to do an event. I think it was up
there like del It was up in del Ray or
Boker somewhere, and he goes, oh, you should bring the family.
I said, okay, So we make signs. You know, we
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got like ham Bone, Rob Stone, and who do you
think you are? I am like, we have all these
like for Pete and Pete Webber. We have all these signs.
And we get there and our girls are excited. They're
like yelling and stuff, and everyone kept having the calm
to keep being quiet. Apparently it's like golf, like they
don't like people yelling while they're bowling. And in fact,
(43:44):
we were down more towards like the middle to end
of the lane and we were holding the signs up
because but because the lighting, apparently one of the bowlers
thought there was like a glare, so they walked over
to our family, but like, can you please tell your
kids to put the signs down? So at this point,
I'm like, why did Rob invite us to this? It's
like it's not a family friendly event. They don't want
us to hold signs up for him, for any of
(44:05):
the players. Like, the whole thing was a disaster. So
that was my rob Stone Bowling Star. I'll never go
back to another bowling event again after that.
Speaker 9 (44:11):
I didn't realize that that bowlers were that because you know,
my my brother bowls. He's a big bowler, and he
bowled at two ninety eight. One time threw eleven strikes
to brow and the whole bowling alley stopped because it
obviously hit the twelve one year Bowl three hundred game
and he got an eight, and it was like, and
this is in Long Island, like you know, you remember
(44:32):
the Ryder Cup, Like those are my people, Like we
just everybody was heckling and screaming, and so I didn't
realize bowling was was that that type of that type
of dean.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
I actually did the opposite.
Speaker 2 (44:43):
I did eight and a spare and then eleven straight
strikes for a two ninety I swear to god, yeah,
true story.
Speaker 1 (44:49):
Yeah never came again. He long, Oh yeah, sir.
Speaker 9 (44:54):
The Caleb downs play right, like that's targeting. It's targeting,
and this we've kind of like sometimes it's it's frustrating
for me because I work with the college and the
replay officials and all that, and I think sometimes we
go overboard and making something that isn't targeting targeting, Like
(45:15):
you know, the running back and the linebacker and they
meet in the hole and they both lower their heads
and then we end up throwing the linebacker out because
he dropped his head. But this is like everybody in
the world down leaves his feet, he launches, it's borderline late.
He hits him in the head neck area, and it's like,
we're finding a way to make that not targeting. And
that was one where if you if you want to
(45:36):
put that in a in a textbook for what is targeting,
what it looks like. That was it, and that should
have been should have been confirmed.
Speaker 3 (45:44):
What I found interesting about is I looked at it
and I thought, oh, that's that's targeting. He's gonna be ejected.
I'll miss the first half of next week's game. And
then they took it off, but they kept the penalty,
and Clatt's like advocating for this, well, you know, the
intent and all the stuff. I'm like, dude, he was
defenseless like that, that's not like subjective in this case
with the circumstances of that particular play, but he kind
(46:07):
of applauded it, and I thought, like, this is not
the right direction.
Speaker 9 (46:10):
We're not that's not the play. And I agree with
Joel on there are plays where because of for circumstances,
that it should be fifteen and not an ejection.
Speaker 1 (46:20):
Right, that was not one. That was not one.
Speaker 3 (46:23):
He was dead wrong. And I don't know why he
supported that. But again he'll be calling some more high
state games later on. Maybe that's something to do with it.
You Know what's funny is this segment has become one
in which we now get people who reach out via
social media with questions. And I think one of the
questions and one of the frustrations for NFL fans Dean,
is like what does a.
Speaker 1 (46:42):
Hip drop tackle?
Speaker 3 (46:43):
Because we feel like there's a loose interpretation, that's a
ridiculous call. Well, but again, like, could you help us
define it, help us understand what the officials are singing,
how you guys go about looking for that?
Speaker 9 (46:56):
Yeah, well, it's the definition of a hip drop tackle
is you you wrap up the ball carrier, you leave
your feet, you basically drop the in the rule book
it says unweight, which is like, I don't know, that's
just stupid. It's just you drop to the ground and
you you land on the legs or trap the legs
(47:19):
of the runner, like that's that's the hip drop. And
we've seen, you know, we've seen some pretty you know,
I think it was I don't know if it was
now going on on on three years. It was in
the playoff game the running Backs of the Cowboys. He
he boke, his leg collared, you know that that was
you know, it's a dangerous when it's when it is
(47:41):
an egregious flagrant on it, it can lead to pretty
significant injuries. But this this Frankie Lulu thing was like
crazy because I thought last night somebody texting me, Hey,
they suspended Frankielul. What did he do? It was the
repeated violations of the hip drop. And then I watched
the play from the game, something like what the one
(48:01):
like that, that's not what he's momentum taking him like
he's just trying to make it tackle.
Speaker 4 (48:06):
It happens so fast too, bro, the angle, the angle
of which he came to make contact. If he lets
go so he doesn't hip hip drop, he misses the tackle,
it'll go down as a mistackle. But if he makes
the tackle, you've now labeled it a hip drop, Like
it doesn't necessarily make it a hip drop because he
(48:29):
he his momentum was going forward.
Speaker 1 (48:31):
He makes contact with the shoulder pads.
Speaker 4 (48:34):
If you're pulling the guy down by his shoulder pads,
you're supposed like you try not hip drop or dropping
your your level. It's like cow cow staer bulldogging right,
like you gotta drop your weight, you gotta like, have
you seen what these guys squat?
Speaker 1 (48:52):
Like? Did you see what Saquan squads?
Speaker 9 (48:54):
You?
Speaker 4 (48:54):
Have you seen Derrick Henry's stiff arms and the things
he does in the weight room on in a season,
Tell me, please explain to me how Lulu gets a
guy down if he's thinking about, oh, you can't hip
drop or you got to follow a certain type of
way when you make contact with Sakwan Barkley or Derrick
Henry or any of these guys out, How does that work?
Speaker 1 (49:15):
How does that work?
Speaker 9 (49:17):
It doesn't work. And this rule they put in and
this is health and safety, you know, the health and
safety people of the NFL. And look that's important. We
get it it's it's really important. You want to protect
the players from unnecessary risk. But this to me is like,
this isn't. This isn't Roy Williams back in the day
with the horse, it was intentional. It was I'm going
(49:39):
to grab your collar and I'm going to drop and
I'm going to you know, and this is just trying
to make a play and that I mean, it's to
have a suspension and this does not get called. This
has been called twice all year because it's such a
hard play to officiate. So they told the officials, you know,
you better be a thousand per cent sure to throw
a flag. And the two times they've thrown it, it's like,
(50:00):
you know, is that a foul? Is that not a foul?
So they're just strictly doing it during the week on
on tape, and you've got the you've got the health
and safety people, you have the compliance people. John Runyon,
you know he used to play for the Eagles, know LeVar,
you know he I love John.
Speaker 1 (50:15):
But nasty. It was nasty, I mean him.
Speaker 9 (50:20):
Back in the day. So it's it's you know, it's hard.
I get it in terms of they want to protect
the players, but that's a tough one. When you see
that and you say, Okay, he had a couple of
others and now we're suspending him, that's crazy.
Speaker 4 (50:31):
I think it's crazy to say we're protecting the players.
Here's two reasons why. One I got to keep I
got to keep pulling this one out and and keep
getting clarity on it. And then the second one is
what it is the chip block. You are a defenseless defender.
When a guy hides behind something, he hides behind somebody
(50:56):
and and and comes out and hits you, that is
a defenseless defender. No different than Okay, I know if
I'm going across the middle and I have to catch
the ball, I know I'm going to get hit eventually.
If I'm pass rushing and I'm a good pass rusher,
I know that there's probably gonna be somebody who tries
to block me along with this guy eventually. But if
(51:19):
I cannot see you and I am engaged with someone
else trying to get around someone else, you have to
by rules say it's the same exact thing. He is
a defenseless defender. And then another thing, the second one
that I'm seeing. I'm sorry, I'm speaking with so much
passion because I'm sitting here seeing guys get yoked up,
(51:39):
jacked up, and we're talking about player safety. It's the
tight end crack, the tight end crack, like he is
not detectable. And if he is actually cracking down on
a pass rusher from a from a blitz, I mean
from a shift or from a motion, that is a
defenseless defender.
Speaker 1 (52:00):
How is a tight end able to crack a.
Speaker 4 (52:03):
Guy on the line of scrimmage if we're talking about
player safety, if he's getting up the field, then he
should at least you should at least have a rule
that says that defender must be able to see you
before you make contact with them. I mean, isn't that
kind of the courtesy that we're giving receivers no question and.
Speaker 9 (52:24):
Look on the chip block and that's like that's a
version of a blindside block. You don't you know you
could talk about Okay, you know there are rules you
could put in and say, if I'm engaged, we know
a chop block, right, if I'm engaged high, you can't
go low. Well, if I'm engaged and my focus is
on the guy in front of block and somebody just
ear holds me from the side that that should be
a foul. That should be whether it's a it's a
(52:45):
version of a chop block, or you have the blindside
block rule already. And you know they did look at
this a couple of years ago. They try to outlaw
that that you know, that whatever you want to call it,
the wham block whatever. And if you're going outside in,
like if I'm and I'm a receiver and I'm outside
the top two yards at least two yards outside the tackle,
and I come outside in, I can't go low. If
(53:07):
I'm in motion going back toward the ball, I can't
go low. But if I'm part I if I'm the
tight end and I'm part of that, I'm part of
that interior, I can come across and I can go low.
Or if I cross the center, I can go low.
So and like you said, for those who are going
to be the defensive player can't see it, and then
that could lead to injuries. So I know they looked
at that. And actually when I think it was the
(53:29):
Jets and that was I know Robert Solo, that was
a big thing for him when he was with the Jets.
They proposed it. It didn't get a lot of traction.
But I agree with you when we're talking about player safety,
those seem like things that are more, you know, as
an intentional block, where this loving thing, he's just he's
making a tackle and the bodies just go that way
as they go to the ground.
Speaker 2 (53:50):
Dean Blandino with us here on Fox Sports Radio. Dean
watching the Bengals Bears game, there was a moment and
I don't know when this rule changed. I think, you know,
Adam Archiletta and Sparrodidas were also kind of confused by
it as well too. But andre Yosi Vash caught the
ball for a touchdown on what was thought to be
(54:11):
a touchdown, but it was ruled that he stepped out
of bounds and he was the first player to touch
the ball after coming back in bounds. I was always
under the impression that that was a penalty. Apparently it's
just an incomplete pass. They just ruled an incomplete pass
and they picked the flag up. What is the rule there?
And did that change recently? And maybe we just didn't
(54:33):
know about it.
Speaker 9 (54:35):
So the rule is if the receiver goes out of bounds,
either on their own or through legal contact, they can't
they can't come back inbounds and be the first to
touch and you become back inbounds when you re establish
with both feet. So he goes out a bounds, then
he gets both feet back inbounds and he touched it.
(54:55):
That's a foul. If he doesn't reestablish and he touches it,
it's just an income complete pass. So that's what they
ruled that he did. He didn't re establish with both
feet before the ball was touched. And uh and they
and so they just picked up the flag made they
did in complete pass versus versus the penalty when you
actually touch it after getting both feetback in.
Speaker 3 (55:16):
Interesting one more thing from that game, Dean, have you
ever seen a challenge where a team is hoping to
get a touch back and results in the opponent getting it?
Is that the first time we've ever seen that in
a coach's challenge.
Speaker 9 (55:29):
It's happened before, It's happened before, and it's it's kind
of like, oh my god, not not in a while.
It's I remember play, Oh man, this is going back
where it was. It was both it was it was
the Steelers and the Ravens, don't want to say, and
it was a it was a it was a catch
rule to catch at the goal line, and they rule
(55:54):
to catch. Forget it was on defense. The defense wanted
to challenge that it was incomplete. The offense one of
the challenge that it was a touchdown, and so the
defense ends up challenging that it's incomplete and they end
up saying no, it's a catch and gets what it's
a touchdown. So it's one of those It's one of
those deals where it's like, Okay, coach, I got some
good news and I got some bad news. Like what
(56:15):
do you want? You want? You want the challenge?
Speaker 3 (56:18):
But is that to you in your position or just
having knowledge of all this kind of on the guy
up in the booth or the box, who's got that
TV that he's looking at, who's should be giving his
head coach better, better instruction and direction at that point?
Speaker 1 (56:33):
Is that who it falls on?
Speaker 8 (56:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (56:35):
Yeah, and those guys that they have a tough job
because you know there the coaches got you know, they
want that information right away. They've got they've got a
video they've got a video screen, and they've got some angles.
They can't really control any of the angles, but they're
watching what the replay booths is queuing up, and yeah,
that's on that person to say, Okay, we you know,
(56:58):
we don't want to challenge this because this this could
end up going the other way and this would be
this would be obviously a bad deal. And that's that's
what happened. But those guys have a tough job because
it's so you don't have a ton of time to
make those decisions.
Speaker 1 (57:12):
Dean, where are you at this weekend? You got a
going on?
Speaker 9 (57:15):
Were Well, we were supposed to be this little little
background of on on how the scheduling works. We were
supposed to be in Washington for Detroit to the Lions
and the Commanders, but the commanders have lost everybody and
and so now we're we're switched to what we think
is going to be hopefully a better game the we're
doing Seattle at the at the Niners.
Speaker 1 (57:38):
Nice. Wow, should be a good game.
Speaker 2 (57:39):
Yeah yeah, j Dean always fund Fox Sports College Football rules.
Speaker 9 (57:46):
Yeah, Rams at the Niners. I got my week's Rams
at the Niners.
Speaker 1 (57:49):
Yeah, which okay, Yeah, good game, good battle.
Speaker 9 (57:52):
Somebody at the Niners. Somebody at the Niners could be
could be the Jaguars, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (57:56):
Ye have fun the side of the Super Bowl, so uh,
you know, have fun up there.
Speaker 1 (58:01):
Dean. There is the Great Dean Blandino with us here
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