Best of 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe

Jonas Knox, LaVar Arrington, and Brady Quinn react to coaches around the league from the past few days and tell you what they are really trying to say in this edition of Coach Speak. Brady rips the NFL for continuing to send mixed messages in their officiating of the hip drop tackle after Frankie Luvu's suspension was lifted. Senior NFL Reporter for TheMMQB.com Albert Breer joins the guys to dive into the various impacts of the NFL trade deadline and assess the future of Kyler Murray.

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Speaker 3 (00:52):
Let's get you all jacked up for Yeah, I like
this song.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
Yeah, yeah, I think you're gonna like this thief all right,
So Brady Quinn came up with an idea. Okay, and
I'm a fan of this because this war you just
cut through all the bs, all the crap that coaches
tell you in the NFL. So it's a little something
called coach speak. Oh okay, to where Ryan Berschinger, our

(01:19):
executive producer, has pulled sound clips from coaches postgame or
throughout the early portion of this week talking about their teams.
And I don't know if we have any sort of
underlying music we can throw in. It's kind of add
a little spice to this.

Speaker 3 (01:37):
All right, God, that'll work.

Speaker 4 (01:39):
That isn't too loud. You'll still be able to hear
the coach.

Speaker 3 (01:43):
So I think we'll be fine.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
So, Bursch, you've got a you've got coaches in the NFL.
You've got comments they've made postgame or other during the
early portion of this week or after Sunday's performances, and
you're going to rattle them off off and we're going
to try and decipher what they're actually saying as opposed
to what they're telling the media and publicist.

Speaker 3 (02:06):
Oh I love this, that's correct, that's right now.

Speaker 5 (02:09):
Now, some of these statements might be a little bit
more direct, and some may be super generic. So it
will be up to you, guys to to better translate
what these coaches are saying.

Speaker 3 (02:20):
It's gonna be so fun.

Speaker 5 (02:22):
Let's let's start off with some sound from yesterday from Wednesday.
First off, let's start with Aaron Glenn. Of course, the
Jets just traded away a handful of guys and it's
been a you know, rough goings for the New York Jets.
A reporter asked him about how fans should feel about
the team despite their one and seven start. This this

(02:44):
this cut starts with the question, and it's a little
difficult to hear the question, but it's good to hear
the way that that Aaron interjects and and his his answer.

Speaker 4 (02:53):
Here we go the fans who were, you know, frustrated
by a one to seven records of his Sather.

Speaker 6 (02:58):
Ticket prices go up, and they saw you with their
favorite players, hit Trader.

Speaker 7 (03:02):
You seen nothing different that I've been saying. Listen, I
want this to be a team that the fans are
proud of. But again, I never said that we're going
to be proud of them right now. At some point,
I want this to be a team that this that
the fans are proud of, and I still I still
stick with that, you know, and I will still say
that this is a team that the fans will be
proud of. And I'm not going to get into the

(03:23):
patients and all that type of crap that you always hear,
but I will tell you this, our guys are working.

Speaker 4 (03:30):
We're going to continue to work.

Speaker 7 (03:32):
And again, I'm gonna stand by that statement. I want
this to be a team that the fans are proud of.
So don't let go of the rope. You've heard me
say that before and just continue to watch us work.

Speaker 3 (03:43):
Okay, Uh yeah, we.

Speaker 8 (03:49):
Stak. That's that's That's as simple as it can be.
They're not a good football team right now, but you know,
like everyone else, they're working to become a better football team.
But they stink, that's essentially what he's saying. And you
are being gouged and you know you're overpaying for your
ticket price right now. But that's the reality of fandom.

(04:11):
You know, they're not gonna all be winning seasons. They're
not gonna all end in the super Bowl, and uh yeah,
they stink. That's where we're at.

Speaker 4 (04:19):
My interpretation was our fans can't be proud of this
team because I'm not proud.

Speaker 3 (04:25):
Of them, damn.

Speaker 4 (04:27):
And for what it's worth, and now, I'm just giving
you an interpretation, and for what it's worth, the culture
that I'm trying to build here, there's going to be
casualties to that buildout. And once I get guys doing
it the way I want them to do it, guys
that subscribe to it the way that I want them to,

(04:51):
then we'll start winning and then we can have the
conversation of fans being proud of this team. But until
we get there, you got to deal with the tough
sledding of what decisions are going to be made, including
if that includes one of your favorite players going somewhere else.

Speaker 3 (05:11):
That's that's my interpretive. We stank.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
I think Aaron Glenn is saying I've made a terrible mistake.
I was waiting for my opportunity. I followed my heart
and out my head. I was a former New York jet.
I thought I could be the guy to fix this place,
only to find out we're as bad as everybody says
we are and it's not getting better anytime soon. And

(05:36):
I'm shocked we've actually won a Gaine.

Speaker 3 (05:43):
You won that route and then you won that round.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
Serious, there's no there's there's no way that Aaron Glenn,
upon further review.

Speaker 4 (05:52):
Would be like, this was a terrible mistake.

Speaker 3 (05:55):
I've made a horrible mistake.

Speaker 4 (05:56):
So when he goes home, he was telling his wife
that that's why he was telling his why why he
was brushing his teeth.

Speaker 3 (06:04):
Honey, this is this is way worse than I thought
it was.

Speaker 4 (06:11):
Hey, man, Because we've all had those moments where you
thought something was better than what it was. Yeah, you
come to that moment of realization that it's not only
not as good as you thought it was, but it's worse.

Speaker 3 (06:24):
Yeah. Hey, yeah, that's that's that's.

Speaker 4 (06:27):
My inter I made a terrible mistake. A couple of.

Speaker 3 (06:34):
Burs, yeah, next one up here, Mike Brabel.

Speaker 5 (06:37):
Mike Brabel was asked about why the Patriots didn't didn't
make any moves. It sounded like that they may have
been close to making some moves at ahead of the
NFL trade deadline. This is what Brabel had to say
to that question.

Speaker 9 (06:49):
Deals are like being pregnant. You either are or you aren't.
There's no like. It's either a deal or it's not.
So I don't know how close you can be. I
know that everyone worked hard, that we investigated and looked
in and made phone calls and they what personnel departments.

Speaker 3 (07:06):
Do Lavarn, what are your thoughts on that?

Speaker 4 (07:13):
Well, it sounds like somebody gets impregnated while somebody else
does the impregnating and if that doesn't take place between
the calls of the franchises, then there is no deal
to be made. I think that he was shooting from
the hip, basically saying that if we can get a

(07:36):
deal done where I guess the team doesn't try to
take advantage of what they want out of the deal,
then we'll get a deal done. But you can't be
sitting there playing around with it. I think he can't.
He shot from the hip. That wasn't cap I think
he wanted to possibly get some deals done, but maybe
it just didn't make sense in terms of what the
other teams were requiring for the deal to take place.

Speaker 3 (07:59):
Brady, what do you thinking?

Speaker 8 (08:01):
I think he was saying, look in the future, if
you want to do a deal, give us a damn call,
But otherwise kickrocks like I'm not I'm not playing around
with all this, all right. You either are or you
aren't in the market to a trade. We're not going
to waste our time with this. BS back and forth.

Speaker 3 (08:21):
Jonas.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
I think Mike Vrabel was just saying, look, man, I'm
happy that our owners out of the massage parlor. Okay,
that's it like that. That's my priority here. I'm trying
to win games, all right. I can't worry about make
believe trades. I've got a young quarterback, I'm trying to develop,
and I've got all these other things that could pop
up at any point in time. We're trying to win games,
turn around the franchise, and get back to the success

(08:45):
that we had years ago.

Speaker 3 (08:46):
I know what a trade looks like.

Speaker 4 (08:48):
I've been to Asia's of Orchid.

Speaker 3 (08:49):
Yeah, he or Asia. By the way, Ages of Orchid
is actually a better name. You want to see what
trade looks like. Follow me, third room on the left.

Speaker 4 (09:07):
I'll trade you that third room on the left for
that first one on the right.

Speaker 3 (09:14):
All right, let's let's go. Let's move on to the
next one.

Speaker 5 (09:18):
I think that the first couple here is just to
kind of warm you guys up, and uh and and
and just kind of uh, get get your get your
mind going in terms of translating here, because this next
one is going to take a lot of work in
order to translate the coach speak here because it's Mike McDaniel.
Oh oh, so here is Mike McDaniel. Of course, the

(09:41):
Dolphins are facing the Bills this this Sunday, and this
is Mike McDaniel talking about the Bills.

Speaker 10 (09:48):
They've beaten us because they've scored more points and done
the right football things longer than we have in those
games that that we lost. You know, I think that
that's the measure of a good football team is being
able to win, you know, particularly there's been a couple

(10:09):
of one score games as of late that they've they've won,
we've lost, And so what's critical is that you don't
have your I wish you could have them back plays
in the fourth quarter anticipating that regardless of how well
you play or whatever they do, they generally do a

(10:32):
great job of keeping the game, uh at least worst
case scenario, at least within reach.

Speaker 5 (10:41):
Okay, I do you want that to keep going? We
could keep going. There's there's a good another minute to
that answer. What is Mike McDaniel, Yes, what is he
really saying here?

Speaker 4 (10:53):
I think what he's really what he's really saying is
is that right now I'm on under the influence and
that's better. It's better that I do this interview while
I'm fried, so that I could give you guys some
very very educational and very very detailed reasons as to

(11:19):
why the Bills beat us so bad. And I guess
while I'm feeling as nice as I am and as
fried as I am, I would offer that well, the
obvious reasons are ABC as well as one, two, three
is the reasons why we can't beat the Bills because

(11:43):
I'm fried and they can go to ten, eleven, twelve
and c D F J k W. Did I mess
that up? I'm sorry, but this is the alphabet and
the numbers game, and that's why Buffalo is beating us,

(12:08):
like beating on us.

Speaker 3 (12:10):
There you go, okay, perfect, perfect.

Speaker 4 (12:13):
Yeah, Brady, Brady, I'll give you a shot.

Speaker 3 (12:16):
What is what is Mike McDaniel really saying here?

Speaker 8 (12:21):
Where am I am?

Speaker 3 (12:23):
I am?

Speaker 8 (12:23):
I still coaching with the Dolphins. I'm still doing this,
all right. I just need to get through these next
these next few press conferences. I don't I don't care.
I'm gonna get paid. I like that cash money. I
like that. You know Lulu Lemon, you know type swag.

(12:46):
You see that watch on my wrists. Oh, I don't
care about all this. Where am I?

Speaker 3 (12:54):
All right? Jonas? What's what's Mike McDaniel?

Speaker 4 (12:59):
Here we go?

Speaker 3 (13:01):
Is this no smoking section?

Speaker 2 (13:04):
Because I got to get out of here and I
can't believe that I'm still here. I know we're going
to Spain in a couple of weeks. That's all I'm
living for. That's all I'm waiting for. Other than that,
get me back on the market. I'll go be a
coordinator on somebody's staff next year, and I'll try and
pursue my coaching dreams at another point in time.

Speaker 3 (13:23):
I get, I.

Speaker 8 (13:24):
Get, get get.

Speaker 3 (13:29):
Your memories, I.

Speaker 11 (13:32):
Get, I get.

Speaker 3 (13:35):
Ha woite set us? They're better for longer than us.

Speaker 4 (13:42):
That's It's simple, what I mean, you know, if you
think about it's true.

Speaker 5 (13:50):
All right, So moving on here now this this one.
We can get a little more spicy with this one
because this might be insinuating some uh you know, some
some wrongdoings by another team. Let's go back to Monday here.
Raheem Morris was talking about their game with the Patriots,
uh and he he kind of accused the Patriots of

(14:13):
maybe uh meddling with the game a little bit.

Speaker 6 (14:16):
They did a nice job. They stimulated a snap. The
ball came early. We snapped early within that snap. That
was when we got the intentional grounding. Nice job by
those guys. Great situation to football, great play. Hey, we
clapping simulated our snap. Got to snap the ball and
that's what a ball was snapped earlier Mike when he
wasn't ready for snap.

Speaker 3 (14:33):
Brady, what's Raheem Morris really saying?

Speaker 8 (14:35):
Here? They cheated? They're cheaters. They cheated and always have been,
always will be. F them guys. Yeah, that's all I
got to say about it, all right?

Speaker 3 (14:48):
Yeah, LeVar, what what did?

Speaker 4 (14:50):
What's Raheem really saying? This one is simple a Mike,
stop hollering at my sad pieces.

Speaker 3 (14:56):
Man, Look, damn.

Speaker 4 (15:00):
It shouldn't. It shouldn't. Transit's transition over it to the
game on the field. What let's stop simulating all of
these weird ass that stay away from my chick, Mike,
that's my side.

Speaker 5 (15:19):
Piece, Jonas, What's what's Raheem really saying?

Speaker 2 (15:24):
I thought we'd be way better than this, and it
can't be because we're just not good.

Speaker 3 (15:30):
It's got to be something else.

Speaker 2 (15:32):
They're doing something to kind of cheat us and screw
us out of this whole situation. And uh, I myself,
I am a little perplexed that we were even able
to keep the game within five and a half, which
may have burned some people on two pros and a
cup of Joe. But still, going back to the clapping thing,
I think they're cheating. It's got to be that because

(15:52):
it can't be anything on the field from us because
I was hired over Bill Belichick, who's the greatest coach
in the history of the league.

Speaker 3 (16:00):
They chose me over him.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
Clearly, this is not a me problem, it's a them problem,
and they're trying to cheat the system.

Speaker 4 (16:08):
Oh ud Man, I'm just telling you man, he was
telling them. Listen, you remember this, You remember hearing this
this this, uh this audio? You remember that audio. Rah,
I'm just telling y'all, man, stay away, it's shady. I

(16:30):
don't like it. Stay away from that's that piece. All right,
let's clapping taking place.

Speaker 3 (16:36):
Here is my clapping, dag.

Speaker 5 (16:39):
Let's let's look at some post games sound from week nine.
Let's try something that's just a super generic cut. This
is from Brian Schottenheimer after the Cowboys lost to the
Cardinals on Monday night, we.

Speaker 12 (16:51):
Gotta play better offensively. We're better than you know, ten points,
which is all we scored. Great job by Sam on
the punt block special teams, but for us to score
ten points offensively is not the standard, and no one's
no one's happy about that.

Speaker 3 (17:06):
All right, LeVar.

Speaker 4 (17:08):
I just feel like that's pretty candid man Like it's
hard to poke fun at that. Like he's telling the truth.
They are better than ten points. Dak is actually having
a good year. And and this this offense has pickings
and seed lamb on it. They are better than ten points.
That's I take this one as this This is pretty literal.

Speaker 5 (17:31):
Oh yeah, Brady, what's the shot Nimer saying here?

Speaker 8 (17:36):
I think he's uh. I think this is what he's saying.
He's saying, Do you want undisturbed sleep let matches for
a match? Shot matches for his Black Friday sales. Save
up the five hundred dollars on slept temper Peedick adjustable
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Speaker 4 (17:56):
Their offers was sleep.

Speaker 3 (17:58):
Dang Jonas Helter.

Speaker 4 (18:02):
Saying here, we.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
Just got torched by Jacoby Brissett. Can I get some
help on defense?

Speaker 4 (18:08):
All right?

Speaker 2 (18:09):
And why'd you make me hire Maddie Refluse just because
he coached here for years in the past. Like, if
I'm not going to be given full autonomy on the
job to be able to.

Speaker 3 (18:17):
Make decisions here, and and you go ahead.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
And after you announce me as the head coach and
give me the opportunity you trade away our best player
on defense, I'm going to lead need a little more
help than that. All sort of point out the fact
that we only scored a certain amount of points, but
I'll leave out the fact that we've been scoring a
lot of points all year long, but we can't stop anybody.

Speaker 4 (18:37):
So y'all giving up a lot of points? Yeah, I
gotta reverse. I got to put it in reverse.

Speaker 3 (18:43):
Yeah, Okay, there we go.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
That is the uh, the first installment of.

Speaker 3 (18:49):
Coach speak here on this show.

Speaker 4 (18:51):
All right, So I'm just going to be outrageous from
here on out. Why not, just so everyone knows I
will never be literal ever again? On this segment, I
am going to choose the most outlandish story that I
can possibly think of, So just just make sure I
don't get sued or held accountable for any of it.

Speaker 3 (19:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
Well, I mean, if they're not going to be fourth, right,
then you know, anybody's guests is as good as anybody else's.

Speaker 4 (19:20):
So oh that's true.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
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Here on Fox Sports Radio, LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas
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to tell you about somebody in the NFL who got
some good news, but a little bit of bad news
when it came to a punishment that was handed out.
We'll get into the details on that for you right
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So we talked about this a little bit with Dean
Blandino when he joined us a couple of days ago
on the show about the Frankie Louvu hip drop tackle

(21:02):
that was a one game suspension handed out violation by
the NFL in the past couple of days, and then
upon further review, Derek Brooks who was in charge of
handling the appeal. He heard Frankie Louver's appeal. They've now
instead wiped away the one game suspension, but they find

(21:25):
him one hundred thousand dollars geez, So I guess game
check would have been a little over five hundred thousand dollars,
so at least it saved him a little bit of
coin there. But here was Frankie Luvu of the commanders
talking about his style of play and his reputation.

Speaker 14 (21:39):
My peers is looking towards me and kind of like, oh,
we don't respect frank lucause he's a thirty you know.
And all those lines or whatever made.

Speaker 3 (21:46):
The people thinking you're a dirty player.

Speaker 14 (21:48):
The headlines may be, but you know what I mean,
my teammates know who I am. The people that know me,
and the people that know around me know who I
am as a player as a person, and none of
my attentions are trying to get out there and trying
to hurt somebody.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
So part of this was the fact that this was
the third time he had done it, so repeat violations.
But the one in question on Sunday night, I think
you know what, We even discussed this with Blandino like
it happened so fast. The idea that that was a
blatant hip drop tackle, I just I didn't get it,
and apparently Derek Brooks didn't either, So he gets popped

(22:21):
a hundred K but it saves him a game check.

Speaker 8 (22:24):
Dude. I don't think any of them are necessarily intentional.
I think it's more of a habit or a technique
that he's developed when he's in certain positions just to
get a guy down on the ground. I mean, let's
be honest about what this is. Defenders have had to
adjust constolated rule changes and even the technique in which

(22:45):
they've changed to try to make the game safer. I
have said this for a long time now. Getting the
head out of football, to me, is the wrong message
that you're sending. You wear a helmet for a reason,
and for a long period of time, there was a
way in which tackling was taught head up, eyes up,
see what you hit, and making sure your head is

(23:06):
in a strong or your spine's at a strong stable position.
You know when your spine's not in a strong stable
position when you try to lean your head to the
left or right and you try to aim and attack
at his engine, his legs, and then you subject your
own neck as the tackler to be injured, or your

(23:27):
own head as well because it's not in a strong position.
So most tackles are made on angles, and the job
of a defensive players to get the guy on the ground.
So I don't know that any player is consciously thinking,
I can't wait to hip drop tackle this player and
injure him. In those moments, he's doing his job. He's

(23:48):
trying to get the player to the ground. And I
understand they're trying to eliminate this technique of doing so,
but at the end of the day, this comes down
to a guy's or a man's job being getting that
guy down on the ground, and a defender is gonna
do it by whatever means necessary because that's his job.

(24:09):
I just I look at this and I think, now,
because he's done it a few times before, a couple
of times before, people are quick to react to it.
It's no different than like Draymond Green in the NBA.
As soon as he starts to talk to an official,
they're quick to give him a tee. Why because he's
got a history of it, so now they're assuming that
anything he says anything he's done warrants that they're not

(24:31):
every tackle, not every game, not every play is all
the same. And so I understand they're trying to change
his habit of how he's made some of his hits
in the past and eliminate this particular tackle. Stop trying
to teach tackling how you do now, because every single
time they teach these angle tackles, they're trying to take
their head out of it. You subject the player, especially
if they end up aiming behind, he's gonna be able

(24:54):
to try to grab in some type of way and
swing his body to get the guy down. Otherwise he's
the ball here is going to carry them for four
or five yards. I just I think there's a big
issue right now to me with the way we're teaching
tackling and how it then applies to what we're seeing
or how the hip drop tackle has come along. I
think it's a byproduct of some of the technique being taught.

Speaker 4 (25:18):
I'll start by saying there is no exact there is
no exact perfect way to tackle, and people may say, well,
what does that mean. The reasoning behind it is is
there's too many variables that go into a play that
dictate how you're able to approach the person the ball carrier,

(25:45):
So there isn't an exact okay, soon as he catches
the ball, this is exactly the way you approach it.
This is how you make contact. It doesn't work that way.
Some guys run higher than others. Some guys are taller
than others. Some guys are shorter than others. Some guys
are bigger than others, some guys are smaller. It's too
many different variables in Louvu's case, and this tackle that

(26:10):
he just made that he got fined for, which I'm
curious as to why he would get fined one hundred
thousand dollars. That was his momentum. His momentum carried him
that way. He ran from an outside angle, he made
contact with the ball carrier. He's holding on to the
ball carrier. Because again the conversation with Dean Blandino that

(26:34):
was thrown out there, if you let the guy go
so that you don't get what is perceived to be
a hip drop, a hip drop technique, then you missed
the tackle. And it's okay for you to miss the
tackle because you let him go for safety purposes, where

(26:57):
you don't get labeled as a dirty player or a
hip drop technique, like that's that's pretty that's pretty crazy
to me.

Speaker 3 (27:07):
You can't drag him down, and you can't drive.

Speaker 4 (27:09):
Him down again. If you can't drag a guy down,
If you can't drag a guy down, I don't like
you're you're really really making it difficult. And again you
see you see the benefits of it because you see
more runners have success in running the ball because these

(27:31):
defenders don't really know. It's it's just hard to tackle
somebody anymore. It really is. If if I have to
tackle a guy that's smaller than me, he's most likely
going to be as quick or quicker than I am.
That's hard to try to figure out an open space
how you're going to tackle a person legally. It's it's

(27:54):
it's an added thought process. It's difficult, and at the
pro level, that's like you're you're asking guys to do
things that are unrealistic. And maybe that's what what the
rules are for. Maybe it is to make it unrealistic
for defenders to be able to legitimately be able to defend.

(28:14):
And maybe that's the hidden secret of it all, Like
keep putting rules in play, say it's for safety purposes,
but in reality, you're you're making it easier for players.
And then when a player and and and now that
I'm saying this out loud, maybe that's why it's one
hundred thousand dollars fine. You know that that's There's no

(28:34):
way that hit should have been a fine. There's no
way that hit should have been a penalty. There's no
way that the kids should have been suspended. It's just
that was a good hit. He came from an outside angle.
He ran up on him. The guys going forward, he's
running from the side diagonally, so his body and his
momentum is carrying carrying him across the back of his body.

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Like you gotta get in position to try to make
the tackle as best you can.

Speaker 3 (29:04):
How fast is the guy? How quick is the guy?

Speaker 4 (29:07):
Like there's all these different aspects of going into a
tackle and what that looks like, and it's just not
it's people can sit back and talk about how difficult
it is or how it should look. You can you
can rewind slow mode, Da da da. You can put
these diagrams in affect as much as you like, but

(29:30):
clearly you don't understand what it feels like to be
on the field with some of these guys trying to
do your job. And the simplest thing that a defender
is supposed to do is tackle. It's tackle, and so
to me, you make it more difficult. You find him
one hundred grand. That's a that's a message, that's what

(29:52):
that is. Like, don't tackle like this. If you see
what Luvu did, don't tackle like this because you don't
want to lose one hundred grand. You don't want to
risk missing a game. You don't want to miss losing
a game check. That's all this is is you're sending
a message to the other defenders to stop tackling a
certain type of way. I just think it's it's sad.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
So if they're telling you you can't do the hip
drop because you're gonna get suspended a game and you're
gonna miss your five hundred plus thousand dollars game check,
all right, then what do you do?

Speaker 4 (30:23):
Yeah, well you've seen you we've seen these these videos
that pop up where you'll see a guy like pull up.
You know, Like basically what you're saying is is if
you don't have the right angle, like This is real.
This is like real talk. If you do not have
the right angle to go tackle somebody, then don't tackle them. Yeah,

(30:46):
and I'm just and it sounds crazy, right, It sounds crazy,
But we have there have been videos that have popped
up where you see guys pull up, you see them
pull up. It's amazing to me. So basically, what you're
saying is is a guy has to be in front
of you, in front of you, and he has to

(31:09):
attack you for the tackle from in front of you.
Because if you attack somebody from the side, if God forbid,
you have to run somebody down from the side an
angle from behind, anything that you do is generally going
to be some type of up to interpretation of if

(31:29):
you're executing a legal tackle. That's what this is to me.

Speaker 2 (31:34):
I can't imagine that the thought of Frankie Louvu when
he goes into you know, when this was Jackson Smith
and Jigba. I can't imagine in that moment he's thinking, oh,
I want to rip this guy's knee up.

Speaker 3 (31:46):
I could understand if you were going if it was a.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
Direct shot at his kneecap and you were going to
take him out and you were going low, which I.

Speaker 4 (31:54):
Want to totally get him down. Every defender is thinking
to themselves, I want to get him down. That's how
hard you hit somebody. That's different, right, But getting like
somebody down with your momentum, which that's what he did.
You're supposed to use your momentum to try to get
somebody down. That's what you're supposed to do. Use your momentum.

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If I'm running up on you, if I got to
grab you by your shoulder pads, I want to use
my momentum to get you down. That might be my
only way of getting you down. You heard Q say
using your neck and extending your neck and getting your
head in the way, Like I'm not doing that. So

(32:37):
if I can make the tackle without having to get
my neck all the way involved in doing it, I
want to make contact. If you want to know the
proper contact point, it's your chest, your chest. The proper
aiming point is the shoulders. You attack the balance zone

(32:58):
of a ball carrier to impede thereforeward progress to throw
their balance off. If I can throw your balance off,
then from there I gotta see what I can do
to get you down. So if I strike your shoulder
then now I'm grabbing your shoulders, I'm wrapping you up,
and then now I'm trying to use my momentum to

(33:20):
force your shoulders to take your body down. And some
guys that's in theory. It sounds good and it makes sense,
but they might be strong enough to withstand your your
contact and your your leverage of trying to use your
momentum to pull them down. Some guys can break that.
So you're not like you got guys like Saquon and

(33:42):
guys squatting shobb and Autumn squatting the god dang world
on a squat rack on a bar, and you're saying,
we got to figure out how exactly to hit them
where it doesn't constitute it being interpreted as a hip drop. Hey,
come on, man, if somebody's hip dropping the tackle, you

(34:03):
can see a guy that grabs a guy, pulls them
and sits down on the back of their legs. Just
go look at Roy Williams. Roy Williams was the master
of hip that. If you want to call it hip
dropping whatever, I think it's crazy to even give it
a name. Horse the dude, well horse, he will horse

(34:24):
callar you, pull you back and then sit on your
legs to get you down.

Speaker 3 (34:30):
Like that's that? That to me the horse callar tackle.

Speaker 4 (34:35):
I get that, even though I'm like, hey, if you
could catch a guy from behind and you could get
a hold of the bat, I made a living off
of that, So most of the plays I would have
made would have been penalties. I'm gonna run you down
if I could get a hold of the back of
your pads. I'm gonna I'm gonna yank you down by
the back of your pads. I don't see why that
should be a problem either.

Speaker 13 (34:54):
Man.

Speaker 4 (34:55):
It's fine if it's if you want to call it,
make it a penalty and make it a legal that's fine.
Because guys did eventually start throwing their bodies into their legs.
But for some guys, I didn't throw my body. I
didn't drop my butt onto the back of their legs
when I when I horse collar guys, I just pulled them.
I pulled them down. I got a hold of the

(35:17):
back of their pads and held onto it and used
my momentum to pull them down. My body never touched them.
I never had to use my head, didn't have to
use my shoulders. I got a hold of their pads
and I pulled them down. So I just think that
creating all of these conversations about players safety and how
you got to tackle, and all these different focuses on

(35:40):
the defense, I think it just takes away. It really
takes away from the game, man, It really does, because
you're taking away the essence of what football represents. Football
is about moving the ball down the field and another
group trying to stop them from doing it, and doing
it ends the play by the person hitting the ground
or or incomplete pass. You gotta tackle. You gotta be

(36:03):
able to tackle, man.

Speaker 11 (36:04):
You know.

Speaker 13 (36:04):
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Speaker 3 (36:31):
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Speaker 2 (36:34):
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Speaker 3 (36:39):
You can get him on X at Albert Breer AB.
Good Morning.

Speaker 15 (36:44):
You want to make sure we're good here.

Speaker 11 (36:45):
I mean, I it sounds like some people have some
problems with us being number one.

Speaker 3 (36:50):
Oh yeah, I mean got here.

Speaker 4 (36:52):
Came in hot, Albert Breer came in hot today.

Speaker 8 (36:55):
Let's let's let's warn this out.

Speaker 11 (36:58):
Albert is that on a tough schedule they faced the SEC.

Speaker 8 (37:02):
Right, hold on, hold on, and M and Indiana both
have played so far a tougher schedule and and have
better wins.

Speaker 11 (37:11):
Am really played a tougher schedule though, Yeah, or are
you or are you just.

Speaker 15 (37:15):
Going by the patch on their jerseys?

Speaker 11 (37:18):
No?

Speaker 8 (37:19):
And this is where, like I think a lot of
people who want to try to act like the SEC
doesn't have a greater group of good football teams. I mean, look,
Ohio State is probably the best team in the country.
Indiana's right there at number two. Like you can, you
can make those cases, but don't act like a M's
not right there, And don't act like the SEC doesn't

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have more more depth. They've got better teams.

Speaker 16 (37:42):
They do, they do have more.

Speaker 15 (37:44):
Death they buy La.

Speaker 3 (37:47):
Albert.

Speaker 8 (37:47):
There's no dispute, by and large, you can play a
much more difficult road. Like that's not even debatable. That's
like fact.

Speaker 16 (37:56):
That the SEC is so big now and the Big
Ten is too.

Speaker 11 (38:00):
You really have to look at which teams they're playing, right, Like,
look at which SEC teams they've played.

Speaker 8 (38:06):
Okay, if you really want to go that route, all right,
let's just go ahead and talk about this. Which conference
has the most team most players draft in the NFL.

Speaker 15 (38:16):
I'm not arguing the SEC. The SEC is deeper, There's
no question about that. I'm not arguing that at all.

Speaker 16 (38:21):
I'm just saying, like the team specifically the teams that Texas.

Speaker 11 (38:24):
A and M has played like there, they have not
they have played Alabama?

Speaker 15 (38:28):
Have they they played?

Speaker 8 (38:30):
But they will take play Texas. They played Miszoo this week.
They've already beaten LSU in baton Rouge, which is a
tough road test. And I would go as far as
saying this, they beat Notre Dame on Notre Dame like
I would say this the Auburn's, Mississippi States in Florida's
those schools are better than the Rutgers, U, C, l A,

(38:51):
whoever else you want to throw on there. Yeah, yeah,
they are, well, I would take I would. I think
Florida would beat Illinois.

Speaker 16 (39:01):
Close though, right, Like so sure, but what are like
what do we No, No.

Speaker 8 (39:07):
I'm not m throw pens into this, which like that's
part of the issue.

Speaker 4 (39:10):
Is a down year.

Speaker 8 (39:11):
That's a down year, right, That's part of the issue.
Is your Penn State, your Michigan brands are not as
good as as some of these other teams that are
bidding for a playoff spot. Michigan's still in the hunt,
but we'll see what happens at the end of the year.

Speaker 4 (39:23):
That's fair.

Speaker 11 (39:24):
I mean, like, but I would I would agree with
like everything you're saying if they.

Speaker 16 (39:28):
Were playing like like I'll go home.

Speaker 15 (39:30):
It's playing like a.

Speaker 11 (39:31):
Legitimately like murderous schedule, I think, right, Like so like.

Speaker 8 (39:34):
You forma Florida a number of teams, But yeah, there
are a few of these schools.

Speaker 11 (39:38):
Like it's just these conferences have gotten so big now
that there are years where you have a little bit
of an easier path. It happens in both the Big
Ten and the SEC.

Speaker 15 (39:49):
Right, And I just feel like if you look at
A and M schedule, it's like, yes, the SEC is deeper,
there's no question.

Speaker 11 (39:55):
I'm not I'm not gonna be one of those like
Big ten guys who argues otherwise it's not.

Speaker 15 (39:59):
It's just it is where it is.

Speaker 16 (40:03):
It's just like A and M has an easier.

Speaker 15 (40:05):
Pass this year through the SEC than you might in
another year.

Speaker 11 (40:09):
I don't think that's debatable either, is it, Brady?

Speaker 8 (40:12):
Uh, it's it's easier in comparison to other SEC schools.
I don't. I wouldn't say that their schedule is easier
than Ohio States, for example, because they'll both play Texas.
Texas is not the team we thought they were. And
by the way, if you want to make the comparison
to like Indiana's strength the schedule, I realized their non
conference was easy, but you both played Illinois like they

(40:33):
blew the crap out of Illinois. Yeah, you played them
in Champagne and you still beat them. But the reality
is like Indiana's game, you.

Speaker 11 (40:41):
Watch that game, I mean, come on, you watch that
game like Illinois was never and we were in like
third gear in that game.

Speaker 15 (40:48):
You know, like I don't know, Like I just like
look at this and like I just I mean, it'll
all be sad. I mean it means.

Speaker 11 (40:54):
Here's the other thing, is this argument means less than
it ever has before. Right, it actually matter like where
it was, like it could mean getting in not getting in,
So it matters less than it ever has before.

Speaker 8 (41:07):
Sure, But the problem is the problem is is it
comes down to eye test. Is really what you're saying then,
as you're saying right now, it's not what's on paper,
it's what I think I see, and I agree with you,
Like Ohio State looks to be the best team statistically.
You could probably make some arguments. I mean, Indiana again

(41:29):
is a better point differential. They've equally as dominant, and
at the end of the day it doesn't really matter
because they would both end up getting buy It's a
different path. Like I look at honestly, Lo like a
Notre Dame of ten, and I understand what people have
a gripe with it, Like if Miami beats you, you
can't have them eight spots behind them, even though they
just lost, and they feel like they're on a downward,
you know, trend, and they struggle in November under crystabal.

(41:52):
But like I understand how people get frustrated because if
you're going to state a criteria, you need to abide
by that criteria, and so you can't go into this
offseason and say strength to schedule matters. Yeah, and then
when the first ranking comes out, you don't really make
strength of schedule look like it matters quite as much.
That's what's frustrating, I think for a lot of fans.

Speaker 11 (42:12):
Yeah, I just don't I don't think like I mean,
I don't and maybe I'm wrong about this. I don't
think the strength of schedule like between Ohio.

Speaker 15 (42:21):
State and texts A and M at least, like I
think Indiana.

Speaker 11 (42:24):
Schedule is probably a little lighter, although they did play
Oregon in Eugene, right Like I think, like with Ohio
State and text A and M, I I think to
this point and maybe it'll change as you know, the
year ago, like you know, you get deeper.

Speaker 15 (42:38):
Into the season.

Speaker 11 (42:38):
Ohio State doesn't have a real test left until until Michigan,
and you know, like and M, I think as a
couple left right, like, so this might look different like
at the end of the year.

Speaker 16 (42:49):
But like as of right now, you know, you talk
about the eye.

Speaker 15 (42:53):
Tests and everything else, and then you know the history.

Speaker 16 (42:56):
And all that, and I don't know that there's this
like I think some people are making it.

Speaker 11 (43:01):
Out to be because it's huge gap in the schedules,
and I just don't think there is that Texas A
and M schedule might be a little tougher, Like I'm
fine with that, but like to act as if like
they're going through like the murderers row the sec just
a case you know they've played.

Speaker 8 (43:16):
Don't don't tell that to Bama fans. Don't tell that
to Bama fans. And and I also I also would
add this, there's been more parody and upsets I think
this year than many others in which in regards to
the AP poll. And I think a lot of that
has to do with the fact that those games that
you're referring to that feel like layups, they're not anymore
because you go out there and you lay an egg

(43:38):
or your team has an off day, those average middle
of the road teams are now capable of pulling off
the upset.

Speaker 3 (43:45):
Right, So that's right, Yeah, And I sit there and.

Speaker 8 (43:49):
Looking at I go look at look at some of
these other like for example, Texas barely being in Kentucky.
It's like, dude, they won, they won, like at the
end of the day, like all that matters is winning
and losing. And so again, we don't need to waste
too much time on this, Like Ohio State looks to
be the best liked. By the way, do I feel
like Notre Dame looks to be better than Miami right now? Yeah?
I think if they played again, Notre Dame would beat

(44:10):
Miami and we can go talk to odds makers and
what those betting lines would look like. But the truth
of the matter is like, at some point your own
criteria has to come into play.

Speaker 11 (44:19):
I'm with you on that because I do think like
you know, this is one thing that was frustrating to
me about these arguments in the past, is like, at
some point, winning the game has to matter, you know
what I mean?

Speaker 16 (44:31):
Like and like I think sometimes like we get.

Speaker 11 (44:33):
Away from what happened a month ago, it's like, no,
those games count two, you know what I mean? Like that,
it's just because it happened in the September doesn't mean
it doesn't count. Like so, you know, like, I'm with
you on that part of it.

Speaker 8 (44:46):
Hey, By the way, Albert, how much more fun is
college to talk about that NFL? I know Jonas is
going to transition right now to NFL, but much more
fun at college, it is, just admit it, it's more fun.

Speaker 11 (44:56):
Well, I get more, I get more emotional and fired
up and everything.

Speaker 15 (44:59):
So it is fun to talk about.

Speaker 11 (45:01):
For sure.

Speaker 4 (45:04):
Go ahead, Jonas, transit transition, Jonas? Are you there? Is
Janas there? That's Jonas Jonas?

Speaker 15 (45:15):
Did Jeffer himself?

Speaker 4 (45:18):
I take it. I'll take no worry fine for Jonas.
You totally zoned out or did? I don't know.

Speaker 3 (45:24):
We don't know what I was.

Speaker 2 (45:26):
I was about to and then you know, I'd gotten
cut off with no blinker, so I just figured, okay,
I would just you.

Speaker 4 (45:32):
Know, got cut off with no blink. Yeah, three seconds did.

Speaker 3 (45:36):
That's not a fine. That's not a fine. You should
be fine.

Speaker 4 (45:40):
That was rude.

Speaker 3 (45:40):
I was getting ready to ask a question.

Speaker 8 (45:42):
Jonas knocks, being a weenie.

Speaker 13 (45:43):
I was.

Speaker 3 (45:44):
I was getting ready to ask a question.

Speaker 4 (45:45):
I got dead, are bro We We tried, we we said, Jonas,
go ahead.

Speaker 8 (45:50):
You wanted to say nothing.

Speaker 3 (45:52):
I mean, I got cut off in traffic. I don't
know what to tell you.

Speaker 4 (45:54):
That's what it was. He's sitting there talking instead of
paying attention. Go ahead, go ahead, Jonas.

Speaker 3 (45:59):
So, so ab, how did we get here with the
New York Jets.

Speaker 11 (46:04):
Yeah, it's it's actually a really interesting story. You know,
like this goes back to the summer and kind of
how they assessed you know, like their roster and I
you know, I I know when they when.

Speaker 15 (46:17):
They science nots that deal.

Speaker 11 (46:19):
One of the things that like the cat people were
instructed to do is like, let's make sure this deal.

Speaker 16 (46:27):
Is tradable because you never know, like you don't know.

Speaker 11 (46:32):
What this is going to look like in three months
and four months, and so you just want to give
yourself the flexibility you know, you give you give the
player some wins in the deal, of course, but like
you want to give yourself a flexibility where if something happens,
you're going to be able to have the flexibility to move.

Speaker 15 (46:50):
So that's really where it starts.

Speaker 11 (46:52):
And then you know, I give the Jets credit, like
because one thing that I thought was really interesting that
they've been doing over the last month.

Speaker 16 (47:00):
And a half is like they've got a weekly meeting
where they.

Speaker 11 (47:04):
Put trade values on every one of their players. And
it doesn't mean they're going to trade their players, but
like there's this like we have to be ready for anything, right, like,
and we know we're going to get calls, and so
we have.

Speaker 16 (47:14):
To like at least have an idea of what it
would take on.

Speaker 11 (47:17):
Any player on our roster, so we're not caught flat
footed and we're not like hustling to figure out whether
or not we want to do something.

Speaker 15 (47:25):
And you know, I think the Micah.

Speaker 11 (47:27):
Parsons trade informed them on a lot of this because
on Sauce, when they were talking about like what the
trade value would be, the trade value was what we
would need a.

Speaker 15 (47:36):
Micah Parsons type of deal. And you look at it
and like what did it wind up being? It wind
up it wound up being.

Speaker 11 (47:42):
A Micah Parsons type of return, right, Like, so I'm
not comparing the two players, but if you look at
the terms of the of the of the trade Dallas
and Green Bay, it was it was it was two
first round picks going from the Packers to the cow
Boys with a quality player and Kenny Clark. And so

(48:03):
in this case, same sort of thing, you know, like
two players and a quality to two first round picks
and a quality player going from Indianapolis to the Jets.
And then like, I think that kind of loosened them
up a little bit on Quinton Williams, where once the
Sauce deal happens and goes down, it jarred things loose

(48:23):
a little bit.

Speaker 15 (48:24):
And it was like, okay, like is there another deal
out there to be done?

Speaker 11 (48:27):
You know, and the Cowboys call and the Cowboys were
had had had had that discussion with with with with
the Jets about Quinn Williams going back to the summer
when they'd inquired on Michael Parsons and so uh, that deal.

Speaker 15 (48:43):
Gets done too.

Speaker 11 (48:44):
I think as much as anything else, Guys, it's like
an acknowledgment of where they are and that you know,
they aren't as close as they thought they'd be based on.

Speaker 15 (48:53):
The talent that was on hand.

Speaker 11 (48:55):
And so like now you know, you still maintain a
core and you still have Garrett Wilson and all the
Shanu and armand Membu and Jermaine Johnson and well McDonald
and a bunch of good young players.

Speaker 15 (49:07):
But this gives you some flexibility to keep building the team.

Speaker 11 (49:10):
And I think the big thing, of course, is this
gives you the capitol to get a quarterback at some
point over the next year or two.

Speaker 4 (49:18):
That's got to be what it is that that they're
trying to do is position to get a quarterback, right.
I mean, if you're going to if you're going to
use draft picks, you're going to use them on trying
to find a cornerback as well. You're going to try
to use it on trying to find a dominant interior
lineman or a pass rusher that can get to the quarterback.
Or you're going to use it trying to get a
receiver that can break games open for you and give

(49:41):
your your quarterback a weapon. I just don't I mean,
can we get is there any clarity on like is
it just that the getting a quarterback outweighs the talent
that you have in Quinn and in Sauce. Like I
know people say Sauce, I'm been as good in recent
recent games, but that's still an elite guy at the position. Sure,

(50:05):
you're going to just go draft another guy? Why why
those two? Is it strictly because the draft capital?

Speaker 11 (50:12):
I mean, well it was those two because those two
are you know, who they got calls on and who
would bring home the biggest return.

Speaker 4 (50:22):
You know.

Speaker 15 (50:22):
Now, I don't think Garrett Wilson was as available, And
I think part of that does.

Speaker 11 (50:29):
Relate back to whenever we do get a quarterback here,
we want to have like an infrastructure around him. On offense,
they have the two tackles, they have a number one
receiver they bring in Ady Mitchell, We'll see what he
becomes there, you know. But they did tell the Colts
at the beginning of this, and this was really three
weeks in the making. I would say they did tell

(50:50):
the Colts at the beginning of this, like.

Speaker 15 (50:51):
Anybody on our defense is available.

Speaker 11 (50:53):
Now, that doesn't mean they're looking to trade everybody, but
just make us an offer.

Speaker 13 (50:57):
You know.

Speaker 16 (50:57):
And you know, I'm always having to that, like LeVar,
because like you just never.

Speaker 11 (51:03):
Know what someone's gonna what someone's going to offer you,
you know, and it's it's not as long as like
you're not like this stuff.

Speaker 15 (51:13):
Isn't becoming public. It can be good to at.

Speaker 11 (51:17):
Least have those conversations because you're starting to think bigger
picture about your roster. And I think that's where the
Jets wanted to be here. So I think really the
availability of Sauce and Quinn had to do with their
value and the fact that they could bring a lot
back teams willingness to meet that value.

Speaker 15 (51:36):
And then you know the side of the ball that
they played on.

Speaker 8 (51:40):
Mm oh, you, Albert, I want to ask you about
the Colts. They feel like clearly, Daniel Jones, their guy
for the future with the moves they've made.

Speaker 16 (51:49):
Yeah, I think that's fair, Brady.

Speaker 15 (51:51):
I know they're they're over the moon with what they've
gotten from them so far.

Speaker 11 (51:56):
And you know, we'll see like what that what what
what what a new deal looks like. I'd like to
be Daniel Jones's agent right now because I think he's
got I think Brian Murphy at Athletes First has a
lot of leverage rights helpers that way.

Speaker 15 (52:10):
I think it's you.

Speaker 11 (52:12):
You look at where they're at, and you know, if
you are going to address the quarterback in a way
other than bringing Daniel Jones back, he would probably be
using first round picks, whether it's the draft to college
player or trade for a quarterback to get that quarterback.
So now you know they've essentially been trading for Sauce
Gardner eliminated a lot of their ability to go find

(52:34):
a quarterback in the off season, you know, So that
points Daniel Jones is a really good negotiating position where
I think.

Speaker 15 (52:41):
You know, he knows he's their guy going forward.

Speaker 11 (52:44):
You know, And if I'm them, I would actually explore
doing it now, you know, rather than waiting to le
the off season. Now we'll see he could force them
to tag them and you know, then you go through
that whole song and dance, and you know it's going
to probably cost forty fifty million dollars a year.

Speaker 15 (52:59):
To keep them there, you know.

Speaker 11 (53:01):
But but yeah, I'd say because this eliminates, you know,
the other path that the Colts would have to solve
the quarterback position. You know, I'd say, there's there's no
question that this is a signal that Daniel Jones is
going to be a quarterback next year and probably going forward.

Speaker 4 (53:18):
Albut for Kyler Murray, I'm sorry, what's that is it?
Is it a rat for Kyler Murray?

Speaker 13 (53:25):
No?

Speaker 15 (53:26):
Yeah, I was, Yeah, I.

Speaker 16 (53:29):
Think at the very least of our the Cardinals are going.

Speaker 11 (53:31):
To explore other options after the year.

Speaker 3 (53:34):
Now.

Speaker 11 (53:34):
Like it's interesting, like the contract sets up, so I
think he's got about thirty seven million dollars guaranteed for
next year.

Speaker 16 (53:41):
So it's sort of similar to Tua in that, Like,
you know, Tua.

Speaker 11 (53:46):
The same way has like a lot of guaranteed money
in twenty six and then and then and then you know,
the team whoever holds.

Speaker 15 (53:55):
The contract can get out of it after that. So
like for me with Kyle or it's like, you.

Speaker 16 (54:01):
Know, I look at Toua and I say, like, if
a new coach is coming.

Speaker 11 (54:03):
In there, a new coach can sell it as like,
all right, like Tua is our bridge quarterback.

Speaker 15 (54:09):
You know who is gonna be our quarterback in twenty six.
That will give us a little bit of flexibility.

Speaker 11 (54:14):
We can neither draft one and keep them behind to
it this year. We can wait till next year. But
at the very least we can get a good level
of play out of Tua. With Kyler, it's a little trickier.

Speaker 15 (54:25):
Because you know, you're not going to have a new
regime coming in there. I don't think and so and
you've had now.

Speaker 11 (54:32):
Jacoby Brissett going in there, and I don't know about
you guys, but watching them, it looks to me like
Trey McBride and Marvin Harrison and some of the talent
they have on hand there.

Speaker 15 (54:41):
It's starting to come alive with Jacoby at quarterback, you know, So.

Speaker 16 (54:46):
How do you handle that going forward?

Speaker 15 (54:48):
Can you go back to Kyler after this? I don't
think that's the plan right now. We'll see how.

Speaker 11 (54:52):
Jacoby continues to play, and then how do you handle
it after the year.

Speaker 15 (54:57):
Do you walk away, do you try to trade them?
Is there somebody out there.

Speaker 11 (55:01):
Who wanting to take him on as like a Sam
Darnold Baker Mayfield reclamation project. I think there's going to
be a lot of like those questions asked when we
get to February and March, and it wouldn't surprise me
in the least if the Cardinals.

Speaker 15 (55:14):
Are going in a different direction at the position.

Speaker 2 (55:17):
Albert Brier joining us here on Fox Sports Radio, Zach
Taylor in Cincy. I know that, you know, defensively, you know,
he's the offensive guy, but he's also the head coach,
and so anything on that team that looks, you know,
a little suspect, he's going to be the one that's
held accountable for it. And so Chase Brown calling out
the defense. You know, I know Joe Burrow's been injured,

(55:37):
but you know, it's been a couple of years since
they've made the playoffs, They've gotten off to these slow starts.

Speaker 3 (55:43):
They tried a different approach this year. What's his future
look like?

Speaker 2 (55:46):
Because I would imagine if that job opens up to
be able to coach Joe Burrow immediately has got to
be the top job of the.

Speaker 11 (55:54):
Market, right well, I mean, let's start here. I mean
generally my experience, I don't know. Yeah, the guy guys
can can can speak to this probably better than me.
But I generally think, like when something like this becomes public,
it's probably way worse behind the scenes, you know.

Speaker 15 (56:09):
And we've seen this before where you've got the.

Speaker 11 (56:12):
You have the kind of divide between offense and defense
when one side is out performing the other, and that's
certainly the case here, you know, where the offense is
doing everything it can to save the Bengals season and.

Speaker 15 (56:25):
Doing it without the quarterback, you know, and then you hear.

Speaker 11 (56:28):
About things like, you know, defensive players horsing around in
the locker room after after what happened on Sunday with
the with the Bears. So you know, certainly I think
that like there's a question of like how one side fits.

Speaker 15 (56:42):
With the other right now. And the job Al Golden's.

Speaker 11 (56:45):
Doing and replacing Uliant Romo and Loulian Arumo obviously is
acquitting himself pretty well in Indianapolis. Now, so are you
going to another coordinator change? I have a hard time
seeing them walk away through Zach Taylor after everything that
Zach's accomplished there over the last you know, five years
and going back to back AFC title games and making

(57:06):
it work through you know, Burrow being injured. But but
I but I certainly think like there's there's got to
be a look after you know, you spend all that
money on offense, and you know you've done so much
to to to try to make sure that you're you're
stable long term on.

Speaker 15 (57:22):
That side of the ball.

Speaker 11 (57:24):
You know, it's it's one of those questions where you
look at it and said, yes to take the defense
down to the studs now and.

Speaker 4 (57:29):
Almost start over jeez.

Speaker 3 (57:32):
Uh well, ab uh, it's that time.

Speaker 2 (57:35):
It's time to uh to go ahead and get your
thoughts here as we get ready for the big weekend
in the world of the NFL.

Speaker 3 (57:43):
Yeah, I mean, well, look.

Speaker 2 (57:44):
It's you know, I mean these are these are big games,
big games involving everybody including so ab Uh, do you
feel that at the end of this weekend's game against
Purdue that Ohio's date will have won by more than
twenty nine and a half points?

Speaker 11 (58:04):
Yeah, let's say you Because I haven't taken him to
cover the last few weeks right like and then they did,
I think, so.

Speaker 16 (58:10):
I'll take them to cover this week.

Speaker 15 (58:11):
How about that?

Speaker 8 (58:12):
Okay?

Speaker 15 (58:12):
Or I'll take them to Sorry, I shouldn't use that.

Speaker 16 (58:14):
That uh that that that phrasing.

Speaker 15 (58:16):
I will take them to. I will expect them to
win the game by more than twenty.

Speaker 3 (58:20):
Now, are they going to be out of third gear
to run up the score and be able to kind
of prove me?

Speaker 15 (58:25):
You never know, tick it into fifth gear?

Speaker 11 (58:27):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 15 (58:27):
LeVar might have an idea of what fifth gear looks like.

Speaker 4 (58:30):
Week. No, Wow, I should have got a targeting call.

Speaker 11 (58:33):
I know that.

Speaker 16 (58:36):
That's where you're going.

Speaker 4 (58:37):
Referees. Those referees were you're going.

Speaker 16 (58:40):
Wait, wait, wait, that's where you're going.

Speaker 2 (58:41):
Referees.

Speaker 4 (58:42):
Those referees they they were getting they were bailing y'all out.

Speaker 15 (58:46):
You know, I talk.

Speaker 11 (58:46):
It's what it was.

Speaker 16 (58:47):
You're gonna go with LeVar targeting call in the fourth quarter.

Speaker 15 (58:50):
When you were down by twenty.

Speaker 4 (58:52):
It wasn't called. They didn't he didn't get suspended. It
wasn't targeting. It's it's ridiculous.

Speaker 8 (58:57):
In defense, Dean Dean did say that that should have
been targeting.

Speaker 4 (59:03):
It should have been talking.

Speaker 16 (59:03):
I mean, did you see Caleb looked like looked like.

Speaker 3 (59:08):
He couldn't believe it. He couldn't believe he was ready
to go in.

Speaker 4 (59:12):
He knew what he did. You see what I did
right there? Guys, though, you got you got to shift
the attention to something else. Man, don't want to hear
about all this gloating.

Speaker 11 (59:22):
I'm just I'm just glad I won't call it cost
Caleb the first half and that big massive against Purdue.

Speaker 4 (59:27):
Yeah. Yeah, you know, it's so disappointing that we've been
doing this show for so long.

Speaker 8 (59:33):
And I think this season, like half your schedule has
got a winning record.

Speaker 4 (59:40):
Yeah, you have to yet to come on here after
an Ohio State game with a win against Ohio State.

Speaker 3 (59:45):
That's that's ready to represent.

Speaker 4 (59:48):
I'm just ready to like be a sore, sore winner
with Albert Breer on the line, and it just won't happen.
I just can't do it.

Speaker 3 (59:56):
Yeah, well, a.

Speaker 4 (59:59):
Part of what I got going on.

Speaker 3 (01:00:00):
Always appreciate it. We'll do it again next week.

Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
There he is the Albert Breer with us here on
Fox Sports Radio, senior NFL reporter, lead content strategist at
the MMQB at Albert Brier on X.

Speaker 3 (01:00:11):
He can't be hot today