November 27, 2025 • 43 mins
Brian Noe & Jason Martin fill in for the guys as they talk how the Baltimore Ravens are literally just ordinary, discuss about the Egg Bowl rivalry between OIe Miss and Miss State, but the focus is on Lane Kiffin and just where he could go if he were to leave Ole Miss, and more!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
You're listening to sports. Oh what is going on?
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Happy Thanksgiving to everybody out there early Thursday morning, getting
you set for some Thanksgiving ball over here. I'm sure
you're gonna have a feast. J Martin, you get into
the Thanksgiving festivities, I mean, happy day for you, I
would imagine, so right, yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Yeah, I mean the family's grown. Obviously.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
We now have two daughters, and you know, we can
see one of the sets of grandparents. My dad passed
last year and my mom's we don't we're not able
to see her the way that we once were. But yeah,
it's gonna be fun, and obviously we have a big
meal and celebrate a lot of a lot of things
that we have to be thankful for in this world.
And one of them, it looks like on this Thursday,
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Brian is really good football. A lot of times these
games haven't been great, but there's some matchups in this one,
and there's some intriguing storylines as well. So I'm excited.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
I'm excited for all three of these NFL games, and
I kind of feel sad for what do we have?
Speaker 1 (01:02):
What's the college game? We've got? Uh, We've got Navy and.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Memphis, which is an okay game, but sandwiched in between
all this NFL stuff, that's uh, it's not gonna be
highly rated.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
You know you're doing the commercial breaks, Yeah you could.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
I'll absolutely have it going, you know, I'll have it
on like a side screen or a whatever, like a
tablet or something like that.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
But uh, yeah, it's gonna be.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
The return of Joe Burrow and Lamar Jackson and everybody
else you know involved in this Bengals Ravens game tonight.
For me, that's gonna be the the center stage. You know,
I'm you know me, j Mart. We've done plenty of
shows together. And I love football. I am a ball addict.
I think I even put that on my ex bio
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ball addict, and uh I didn't realize.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Careful, be careful, I don't. Yeah, but I put it.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
In all caps, so I think everybody out he means football, right,
there's no uh, you know, there's no misconstruing that.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
But that we're talking about here, that's right, that's right. Yeah,
I know it. Man. Wow, that was crazy.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
But I didn't know how much I was in football
mode until yesterday.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
It's a true story.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
I was watching the the Pistons and the Celtics and
Asar Thompson went up for a point blank shot and
he got bumped, and I said, out loud but sort
of to myself. I'm like, where's the flag? I go,
where's the flag? I met, where's the foul? But I'm
so in football mode. I literally said, during a basketball game,
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where's the flag? Like, oh my gosh, I'm not in
basketball mode yet at all. I love hoops, but man,
I am in football mode right now.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
J Mart, Yeah, dude, up with you, Like, I mean,
I'm a thunder fence. I'm pretty excited right now. But
at the same time, I'm not there yet. Like the
NBA Cup God bless it, but just I can't get
there yet. Like there's been some really nice college matchups
and it's not like I've seen none of this stuff,
but yeah, the brain is college and pro football oriented
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right now. To say the least, it has my attention.
And we're getting down to the NDF one season, so
I've been obviously really watching that pretty hard as well.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
But like there's just this NBA season's got a long
long way to go.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
It's just there's so much basketball that's still going to
be left to watch after all the football was done,
it's just hard to get my attention on any given
matchup right now. In college the problem is all the
good matchups, all those teams are gonna end up playing
each other again, or they're going to have an opportunity
to make the tournament in March because of how many
teams get in. And then on the flip side, in
the NBA, most those teams see each other four times
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a year anyway, So what are you going to read
into what those teams are going to be in April
because of a Rocket's Warriors tilt on Thanksgiving Eve?
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Right, Yeah, it's true. It's one of those deals.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
I never really thought of it like that, and it
really is obvious where to go from foot fotball season
and transition to basketball season.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Just think of it as.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
A sports fan, just in terms of sense of urgency. Right,
if you look at college football, still a great sense
of urgency to win games right away. You maybe get
two mulligans, depending on your schedule, what conference you're in,
that sort of thing, maybe you get two losses and
that's pretty much it. That's all you could really hope
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for and still be able to be a playoff team.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
So it's go time. Man.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
You get a little bit more wiggle room with the NFL,
but these games matter. We're talking seeding, we're talking who
wins the division, who's a wildcard team. All that stuff
is very important. And I love hoops, but to go
from the sense of urgency that you have on a
game to game basis in football college in the NFL
to like either college or especially the NBA with eighty
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two games, it's just not even remotely close. You can't
watch these games like, come on, let's go. It's not
like that.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Man, you have so much more wig. Yeah you do.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
And I mean it's even worse for baseball, right because yeah,
you have one hundred and sixty two games there. Even
what's funny about it is, I'm making this argument, and
you're agreeing with this argument, but it always comes down
to like the last few games to see who's gonna
get the last spot. But my argument against that is
it's just like, yeah, but those aren't the teams that
are likely to win the championship anyway. Like at that point,
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you're kind of just watching the almost watching. You're watching
the NCAA bubble, which has grown less and less interesting
as the years have passed, but like to your point,
the NFL in college football, every game feels massive because
every game has such a seismic opportunity to shift what's
gonna happen in your division much less you know what
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you're gonna be able to do and where you're gonna
see it in the playoffs and all this. So I
think that's probably the biggest thing is that each football
game feels so monumentally important because there are so many
less of.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Them, absolutely no doubt about that. Well, you know, as
we look at the three NFL games here on Thanksgiving
and that we'll zero in on them a little bit
more as we go on throughout the show today, but
just a broad view if you look at all three,
you know, really at the same time Packers Lions, followed
by Chiefs Cowboys, and then the nightcap is Bengals Ravens
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and Joe Burrow's return. Just in terms of like, you
got family stuff going on, and you know, like you
might not be able to sit there for nine plus
hours and watch every minute, but what's the game where
you're like, I gotta have some time to see this game?
In particular, is there one that you have out of
these three that interests you the most.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Well, man, I mean, they all have really intriguing storylines.
One of the things that I want to talk about
an hour or two is things that we've been dead
wrong about in the NFL so far this season. Yeah,
and I think that each of these games potentially has
a qualifier, so I don't want to go there.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
The only thing that.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
I would say, of just of the three games, the
one that pro probably has my attention to most is
Bengals Ravens. Okay, interesting that that'd be in the divisional matchup.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Obviously, so is the opener of the day.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
But I want to see what Joe Burrow looks like
coming back, because I did not feel like this was
something we were going to see, Like three four weeks ago.
I wasn't looking at Joe Burrow being back on Thanksgiving.
I thought this was probably gonna take a little bit longer.
And I wasn't sure by the time he came back,
was there going to be any chance for his team
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to be able to do anything as well.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
So, and I don't know that it is. But then
you look at the.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Flip side with Baltimore. Baltimore doesn't have much room to
mess around either. Yeah, and the thing that's really intriguing
about then is, yes, they won their last game, but
how impressive did they look doing it? Like Almost nothing
I've seen from the Baltimore Ravens during the course of
this season has left me feeling comfortable about what's happening
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there this season. I feel like I'm watching a lost season.
But at the same time, they can easily get where
they need to go and win it all because they
have the talent on the team to do it. But
it's just kind of baffling to me how this thing
has played out for them so far this year.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Yeah, no, it's true.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
And that's the thing with the Ravens where you would
think after the slow, slow start where they go one
in five and Lamar missed a couple of games, and
for them to win five straight, you know, just on paper,
if someone wasn't paying close attention, Let's say they were
backpacking in Europe or something. They're an NFL fan, but
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they haven't been plugged in this year and they're just
playing ketchup. If they looked and said, wow, Ravens are
six and five man after a horrible start, you would think, wow,
they got a lot of momentum. They're really kicking it
into gear. And this five game winning streak has been
very shoulder shruggy, if you will, right, it's been very,
very ordinary, And Lamar doesn't look to be the superstar
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that he is. He's a two time MVP. Some would
argue he should be a three time MVP. He doesn't
look like that. He looks like an unhealthy guy that's
just trying to get through games right now. So you
have to wonder if they're gonna be able to kick
it into gear and be anything close to a dynamic
team as we inch closer to playoff time, because they
don't look like it right now at all.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
No, they don't.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
And then here's the reason why I'm so interested about
the Cincinnati side. Like, we know how good Joe Burrow
is as a player when he's healthy, one, how healthy
is he? But this is a three and eight football team,
right like, I mean, you look at their record right now,
I mean they basically have to run the table to
have any shot, and I don't honestly see that happening.
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And the biggest reason is because in his absence, it's
not as if Cincinnati hasn't been able to score points.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Yeah, it's not.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Like their offense has been you know, managed by I
don't know. I was gonna try to find a really
bad Cleo Lemon. I was gonna try to find like
a really bad Dolphins quarterback. Since I know you're a
Miami fan. Okay, yeah, yeah, that's going to hit right
close to home to you.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Sure.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
But the problem is the defense hasn't been good and
that doesn't change with Joe Burrow coming back, Like he
can come out there and ball out and they can
still lose because that's what they were doing a lot
last year with him playing almost MVP level football week
after week. The defense has been the biggest issue. And
they get rid of lu Narumo, who I don't think
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he was the problem in the first place. He goes
to Indianapolis and their defense is almost instantly better, almost
instantly more aggressive. And then you look at Cincinnati and
the same problems are there, which tells me it was
the personnel. It wasn't the person on the sideline.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Absolutely. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
There are many ex coordinators, ex head coaches that if
they didn't take the professional route and they just went
straight to X and would you look at that? I
guess It wasn't me imagine that, Like, you know, I'm
sure he feels that way. He has to to some degree.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Yeah, and you're right.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
It's not like the Bengals have been losing seven team
to thirteen or something like that consistently, and now you're like,
now they finally get some offense, They've got a shot.
They've been scoring points left and right. It's the defense.
It's been brutal. I can't wait for the Chiefs and Cowboys.
Oh yeah, I mean the Cowboys last week. That was
amazing to come back from a three touchdown deficit and
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beat the defending champs. But man, you talk about a
mirage going forward, j Mart that there's all this talk
look out for the Cowboys. Look, don't let them get hot.
You don't want to face them come playoff time. It's like, bro,
bring them on with that sucky defense. Are you kidding me?
I think Mahomes, he's not gonna need to eat a
Thanksgiving meal. He is just gonna feast on the Dallas
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Cowboys in a handful of hours here. I think the
Chiefs put it on them. I don't think that it's
a sweat at all. I think that what they that
was such a it's a phony win. Going forward. I
take nothing away from the win last week. It's gonna
sound a little bit weird. The win last week was fine.
You battle back from a three touchdown deficit as a great,
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great win. But going forward, do you think the Cowboys
are that team going forward?
Speaker 1 (12:11):
They are not.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
But I can't wait to see them face the Chiefs
and see if the Chiefs can start stacking wins right now.
We've been waiting for this all season long, and now
they finally save their season against the Colts. Can they
start to build on that and gain some momentum?
Speaker 3 (12:26):
And look, that's right. I think save the season is
the way to phrase that, because they had an opportunity
to end this week being under five hundred, and that's
not how this is going to play out. At best,
they're going to be five hundred. If they were lose today,
they'll still be six and six. Them coming back and
beating the Colts was huge for their entire season. And
in terms of Dallas, Dak's been exceptional much of the season.
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He's played great. I feel like in general, Dallas has
been better than many of us anticipated them being. Maybe
that's a little allusion to our topic and now too
about what we've been wrong about so far this season.
But I do think that it's a bit of fool's
gold here. Yeah, I think that Dallas is a pretty
good football team. It's gonna put up a good fight
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because they can score points. But it's the same problem
the Bengals have. That's exactly the exact same problem. Like
they have a great tandem with Ceedee Lamb and George Pickens,
and then you see the same thing in Cincinnati with
their tandemare receivers. There's a lot of talent there, but
then on the defensive side of the ball, who do
you trust? Obviously you don't have Michael Parsons there. They
tried to make a couple of moves at the deadline,
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and I do think that they helped themselves, but to
what degree. And the other thing about the win and
the comeback, Philadelphia is champion in name only right now,
like they just there's there's something absent there.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Maybe there's a.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Larger topic to have in the next couple of days
about Philadelphia. Not that everybody else in sports radio hasn't
done that, at least at some point during the course
of the season.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
US included, but I don't.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
I just I don't feel like the win over the
Eagles is as big a deal as it should be
because I don't think that the Eagles have been as
advertised throughout much of this season.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Today's gonna tell you.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
A lot, I think, because I'm not as sure as
you are when it comes to Casey just rolling them
in this game. You could definitely be right, and the
way you laid it out makes a lot of sense.
But at the same time, I just I'm to the
point when it comes to the Chiefs where from week
to week I expect whatever happens to happen because there's
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not really a reason to predict it because from one
week to the next, it doesn't feel like there's any
kind of progression where it makes any kind of sense.
It's just like one week they show up and they
look like the best team in the league. Next week
they show up and look like they're going to miss
the playoffs. Like they're all over the map. So the
question is which version of the Chiefs shows up. We
generally know which version of Patrick Mahomes is going to
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show up, but some of the other guys less.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
So, yeah, they've been It's been a weird year for
the Chiefs. Like normally they don't commit these mistakes that
hurt them themselves. They just capitalize on their opponent's mistakes.
But man, they've hurt themselves time and time again this season.
It's crazy. And as far as the Cowboys like this,
this is like welcome to the NFL. How do you
explain this where they came back and beat the defending
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champion Eagles when they're trailing by twenty one points and
yet that's the same Cowboys team that lost to the
Panthers and to the Arizona Cardinals, Like that's that's But
I think that's the larger point is I think that
Dak is this year's Burrow. Burrow had a sensational MVP
type season last year, and because they're an average team,
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because their defense was brutal, he didn't win MVP and
they didn't make the playoffs. And I think that's the
exact same track that the Cowboys are on. And so
I think it's gonna be a wasted season for Dak.
He's putting up numbers that are just ridiculous right now,
and I think it's just gonna be an average record
at the end of the day, and how do you
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get to an average record? You lose a game like
today against the Chiefs, and that's what I'm expecting. But hey,
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Speaker 1 (16:26):
All right? Coming up next?
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I'm going to give you time to prepare. If I
gave you two chances to guess who the eventual college
football national champion is going to be this season, which
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team is your top pick, and which team is your
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Speaker 1 (18:10):
Before all three of these.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Just exceptional NFL games kick off a little bit later
on this morning. But Brian, there's a game coming up
tomorrow that's pretty important. Of many right, there's an NFL
game tomorrow too that's pretty interesting, and then there's some
really good college football on Friday.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
I don't know if you've looked at the slate.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
But there's stuff to watch all day long tomorrow that's
going to be incredibly relevant to the college football playoff,
and of course just rivalries and everything else. It's gonna
be a lot of fun. But the one I'm talking
about isn't one that I think is going to be
particularly close, but it has a lot of impact beyond that,
and that is the Egg Bowl between Ole Miss and
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Mississippi State. I don't know if you can be a
sports fan at this point in time and not have
an opinion on the Lane Kiffin situation at Ole Miss,
how it's played out, the calendar becoming the giant villain
of all of this, at least on one half of
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the narrative, whether it's gonna be LSU, whether it's gonna
be Florida, whether he's gonna stay put at ole Miss,
everybody's weight in.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
We had what.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
Steven A and Paul Finebaum going at it earlier this
week on TV to where I think steven A called
Paul Finebaum a hypocrite by because Paul level critique at
Lane Kiffen for how this has played out, and stephen
A said, didn't you say I love ESPN, but I
would go be a senator, which I found really interesting,
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But I also find it to be a horrible example.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Like I think he like overthought it, like these these.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
Two things are not remotely the same, Like when you
look at what Lane Kiffin could walk away from.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Let's just say it here and then I just kind
of want your.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
Opinion to start it off is we've never seen anything
like this before where you have a one loss Ole
Miss team probably the best season maybe in their history,
going into this rivalry game where they can win it,
where they're gonna go to the College Football Playoff, and
where they're good enough to potentially win the entire thing,
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and their coach may take another job in the same
conference leave because they're not gonna let him coach in
the playoff. It'll affect their seating, it'll affect everything about that,
it could derail the entire season.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
And yet it's still something that could happen.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
And I think there's a lot of coaches where you'd
say there's no chance, But this guy, because of the
history of Lane Kiffin and how he has conducted himself
professionally in terms of his jobs, you can't. You could
never rule out the fact that he could walk away,
even at eleven and one, which is exactly what he
might be about to do.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
It's a crazy situation where if Lane is leaving, he
can't coach in the playoff. Man like the right because
the transfer window, right, so you need the next coach
to come in there, and the transfer window is between
January tewod and January sixteenth, So that's smack dab in
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the middle of the playoff, which is just so stupid
to me, Like you gotta ask yourself, is college football,
what would the NFL do? Would the NFL open free
agency smack dab in the middle of the playoffs? No,
they wouldn't be dumb they would not do that. There's
gotta be a better way to do this where you're
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not opening the transfer portal during the playoff. That's just dumb.
It makes no sense. You don't want your playoff to
be upstaged by yourself, like the college football playoff can
be upstaged in ways by the college football transfer portal.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
That makes no sense to me.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
But with the dates being what they are, so you
think about the first round, it starts December nineteenth and twentieth.
The quarterfinals are December thirty first and January first, So
in theory, you could have Lane stick around and maybe
you win the first playoff game.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
If you win the.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Quarterfinals, then what what do you You gotta have your
next head coach in place. You got the transfer portal
window opening up.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
You can't have Lane coaching the team in.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
The college football playoff as you're like now in the
final four. Basically, meanwhile, what do you what do you
do with the portal? You have no head coach, You
have no system in place. He can't be around for
the playoff. If he decides to go to LSU or
somewhere else, you can't have him as the old misshead
coach come playoff time.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
That's the situation we're in right here. No, that's right.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
Like, I mean, look, if I'm LSU and I'm gonna
pay him ninety to ninety eight mil whatever the number
turns out to be, and give him the twenty five
million annual roster cash as the offer has been reported,
I'm not paying him for a season that's going to
be a waste. I'm not giving him a dummy season
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like that. Money that I'm paying him actually has to
go into trying to field a team next year that
can win a championship, not two years from now. Especially
in nil and everything else, you can turn that around
relatively quickly. So I understand it from their perspective, and
you can understand from Lane's perspective because he's kind of caught.
He obviously had plays all the cards. I don't see
him as a victim here. He's a victim of his
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own success, if you want to say that. But he
could shut this down at any point. My question would
be this, and I said this last week to Aaron
Torres on our show on Saturday Night. I said that
as soon as I saw that they were going to
have the announcement about Lane, Kiffn's future at ole Miss.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
The day after the Egg Bowl, I said, Oh, he's
staying for sure. Oh wow.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
And the more I've thought about it, the more I've thought,
that's insane. And I feel like I got caught in. Okay,
I got caught in. I got caught in pro wrestling
booker mode, which is something I did for a while,
So maybe that's how I looked at it.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
I said, if I wanted to.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Create a hero, if I wanted to create an iconic moment,
the thing that I would do is turn it into
the greatest week in ole Miss football history, where they
go beat their rival to end the season with one loss,
where they have all sorts of momentum, potentially going into
a college football playoff. And then the next day the
question gets answered and Lane Kiffn says, you know what,
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it's it's really really nice to be wanted and LSU
and Florida and all these other opportunities. I'm so flattered
by all of this. But my family loves Oxford and
want we want to finish our business here. It's not
even that there's unfinished business and then we can leave.
It's just now like this place has been good to us,
gave us a chance. We want to win a championship
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right here. If he does that, they build a statue
for him outside the stadium and he becomes one of
the greatest heroes, maybe the biggest figure in almost football history,
or certainly one of them, and he.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Can write his ticket forever.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Like I'm looking at it from a storybook perspective, but
the realistic perspective is when you listen to Keith Carter,
the athletic director, talk about it and say, look, we
don't want our kids to be distracted this week going
into this rivalry game, and we want them to feel
like they have the full support of the university behind
them as they prepare for this game.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
That sounds like a eulogy.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
That sounds like we've got to make sure that they
have there, that they have their rescue animals, that they
have what they need, their comfort animals, their comfort squirrel
or whatever it is on the airplane to be able
to get through what's going to be a really traumatic
time period. So I have flipped on it in my
own head, but I'm sticking by my guns.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Yeah, I'm going to turn out to be a fool, probably,
and I'm well.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Aware of that. And here's the other thing. Maybe there's
a part of me. It's just like I'm rooting for
him to stay because I think that's the right decision.
And I'll lay that out for you here in a minute.
But I want to see Lane Kiffen stay at Old
Miss and build something there.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Yeah, because it could be his place. Yes, Like it's not.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Well, he's at LSU and now he's the next head
coach with Tedo and Sabin and right like now he's
won a championship along with these other guys. Yeah, he
could have his own thing at Ole Miss. I think
he's absolutely gone.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
Man, I.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Think he's going to LSU. As my guest, I've heard
some people say that he's going to Florida. I think
it's LSU. But if he were staying at Old Miss,
he would just come right out and be like, guys,
I'm not going anywhere. I'm focused on the egg Ball.
I'm focused on the College Football Playoff. We've worked for
years to be in this spot and this moment is
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all I'm about right here, So please stop connecting the dots.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
I listened.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
I decided I'm staying here at Ole Miss. It wouldn't
be hey after the egg bowl, We've got this mystery announcement.
Like unless this is straight from WWE, and you know,
look that's where I'm coming from. It's the face turn. Right,
normally it's a heel turn, it's a face turn. You
think he's gone, He's like psych I'm staying baby like, yeah, yeah,
I just don't think that's happening.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
But I like the thought. I just don't think you
would approach it that way.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
If that's now, Look, you're probably well, like I said,
I'm probably looking at it from a completely ridiculous perspective.
I admit that wholeheartedly. Like what you're saying is probably right.
You're probably smart. I'm probably not. That's just and probably
may have left the building. I just I look at
this and I and I do see it from this perspective. Also,
and I've heard this said by some people. I respect it.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
In the industry. Lane is different than a lot of
other people. He absolutely he is.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
He does things a lot now, there have been you know,
he's talked about getting sober and maturing a lot at
Old Miss, his family loving it there, and look, it's
a great town. And in this era he's closer to
a national championship by far than LSU or Florida either one.
At this point, I also say this, Let's say Lane
Kiffen is this coach for the next twenty five years
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at Ole Miss where he's right there on the doorstep,
but he didn't quite get there. He's Mark feu Egnzaga
or maybe Signetti and Indiana never quite get there, but
they're right there year after year after year. He's still
gonna go down as a legend there. Like, you think
about your quality of life there compared to what happens
to you in LSU. When you win a championship, you
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get fired a few years later. That's happened to Less Miles,
happened to edwar Jaran, It likely would have happened to
Brian Kelly, but he wasn't good enough anyway to win that.
And now they're going to pay him out his fifty
four million dollars, which we could talk about the end
of the hour.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
But like, Lane Kiffen is in.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
A perfect place where, yeah, the expectations are growing, but
they're only growing based on what he's done. Like, I
don't know that it's ever going to feel like a
failure for Lane Kiffen in that situation and then to
your point, and this to me is the key example
and the key argument. You just go become the next
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guy to win a championship at Florida. You just go
to become the next guy to win a championship at LSU.
Neither one of them that far removed from having done
just that, particularly LSU Ole Miss. You become the guy
who won at Ole Miss in that conference. You become
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kind of the face for what new college football can
look like. Where you're in a place where, yeah, they
felt like spending money because you have to in this
day and age.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
They gave him every advantage. They gave him everything that he's.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
Asked for there, and he turned that into a national champion.
That like, that's a perfect scenario. It's perfect for Yes,
it's perfect for a WWE storyline. But it's just like,
I feel like you get to the end of your
life if you're laying kiff and you say, man, I'm
glad that I state at Old Miss because the championship
were ships that I let's say we're living in hypotheticals now,
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but at which we talked about in the first hour
not being a smart thing but in this case, if
he wins a championship there or wins multiple championships at
Old Miss, I just feel like there's more there, Like
it means more that he did it there than he
just became the next guy that had the built in
historical generational advantages of a Florida or LSU and took
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that to the promised Land, right.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Right, It'd be like me.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
You could use many examples, whether it's the NFL might
make a lot of sense where if you, let's say,
Drake May wins the super Bowl in the next couple
of years with the Patriots, that matters a lot, but
they've won a lot of super Bowls, you know what
I mean. If you win a Super Bowl with I
don't know, say like the Jets, that was like, oh
(30:55):
my gosh, this guy's walking on water here the quarterback.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
You know, it's just different.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
So yeah, there's something to be said about that with
Lane if he's able to win it all, and that's
the key at Ole Miss, of course, it's going to
mean more because you haven't had that type of success
that you've had at Florida In LSU. He wears the
visor as a shout out to Steve Spurrier, Like Steve
Spurrier is his guy. But it's like if you go
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to Florida, you're not the old ball coach, You're not
the OBC. You're just like you're Lane. You know, OBC
is the legend. You know, he's the guy who walks
on water. In terms of like the Gator Nation fan base,
it's not gonna be Lane. They would love him if
he's able to win big, make no mistake, they would
love him. They'd love him in LSU also, but he's
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not the guy that brought them to prominence. He would
just be, like best case scenario, the guy that brought
them back to prominence. That's not the same thing as
leading someone who's never been there to prominence. But the
other thing, I'm still hung up on this transfer window thing, man,
where it's a shame. Let's say Lane he takes the
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job at LSU. That's not a crime, right, Like many
coaches have gone from one school to the next. He
has won enough games to be in the College Football Playoff,
and he should be able to coach his.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Team in the College Football Playoff.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
But the transfer window being where it is and it's
the only window all year, long. Now, if you don't
take advantage of this window between January two to the sixteenth,
you are screwed. You are left out in the cold,
in the wilderness with no jacket on and no talent
on your roster, and you're gonna suck. And it's a
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horrible spot to be in going forward. Ole Miss can't
set themselves up for failure going forward. So if Lane
Kiffin takes another gig and is like, what do you
mean I can't coach the playoff like we fought and
scratched to get here, like when it al Pajet, We
claw with our fingernails those yes, And now he can't
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even have him there because the transfer went How dumb
is college football to put this thing where it is.
That should never be the case where a coach really
can't move on because he can't be with his original
team in the playoff.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
It shouldn't be like that. Man, that's just a bad setup.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
I mean, he's gonna look like Benedict Arnold, like if
he walks out on them, even after what he's done
for them.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
Which I think is like it's it's a really.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
Tough spot, yeah, for him to be in, and he
has to I know he has to think about it
this way too and say, look, is my name ever
gonna be hotter than this again?
Speaker 1 (33:39):
Is Old Miss?
Speaker 3 (33:40):
Are we going to be in this position again to
where we're gonna have pretty much every job in a
country that's open wants me.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
Do I ever get another.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
Opportunity to take LSU or Florida? Do I have to
do it now or never? And in my opinion maybe not.
But even like, is it so bad to be the
Old Miss coach for the next thirty years? I don't
think so, not in this day and age. So I'm
still hoping against hope. And maybe that's why I'm gonna
look like a fool on Saturday. You can tune in
Saturday Night with me and Aaron Torres, and maybe I'll
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just have my foot already in my mouth by that
point in time, trying to remove it somehow at that point.
So we don't know whether or not Lane Kiffin is
going to stick at Ole Miss, for he's gonna go elsewhere.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
When we come back, We're gonna.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
Talk about two quarterbacks that have already gone elsewhere, both
from the same team, and now they've got They've got
a rookie at quarterback where things haven't been going particularly well,
and I'm gonna ask you how you feel about both
of those teams going forward. But back to lane game
Day's rule. I don't know if he's staying in Mississippi
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he said it to Florida, or.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
He's headed to Louisiana.
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Speaker 3 (36:38):
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Speaker 2 (36:44):
Yeah, Indiana's crushing it, Purdue not so much. Yeah, that's
kind of Patty Sweeka doing impressions of various talk show hosts,
you know, but very funny stuff. We'll get that in
in the third hour. We'll definitely get that in.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
Today.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
There is a very popular art argument in favor of
my absolute favorite team in the history of teams, Jason Martin,
and I actually hate this argument.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
I think it's a horrible argument. Now.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
It is the Notre Dame fighting Irish. I'm talking nd
football right here. I'm from South Bend. Love Notre Dame football.
But you know, this knockdown drag out between Notre Dame
and Miami, who should be in, who should be out?
Back and forth type thing, the head to head Miami
won it. I think that should be factored in a
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lot more heavily than the committee is factoring it in.
But the argument I will hear in favor of Notre
Dame is well, if they met on a neutral field, now,
Notre Dame would win. And it's like, how do we
know that exactly. How is that just sett in stone
for sure, no doubt about it. Like I thought I
(37:56):
thought Ohio State was gonna crush Michigan last year by
three touchdowns they lost. Like this idea that oh neutral field,
Oh yeah, Notre Dame would win. Notre Dame's just better. Now,
it's like the better team doesn't always win a game.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
So we get this straight.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
We're putting a team into the playoff just because we
think they would win on a neutral field.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
Now, like, really, that is.
Speaker 6 (38:21):
The body we play the original game, right, Why don't
we go by actual results instead of hypotheticals like this
idea that it's for sure going to happen just as
we see it.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
We've watched enough football to know better than that.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
We can't rank teams higher than the other just because
we think of what would happen.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
Now, that is so bad, man.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
But I hear that all the time right now, and
it's in favor of my Irish, But I think it's
a horribly flawed and awful argument.
Speaker 3 (38:50):
Yeah, Like you can have fun and hypotheticals, but you
can't live in hypotheticals, Like, yeah, there was a game
that was actually played between those two teams.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
That has to matter. It has to factor.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
In in some way, shape or form, or else it
shouldn't have been played in the first place. It makes
no sense to say, well, if they played now, Dude,
there's no trade deadline in college football. Josh Allen was
not acquired before the deadline to become played quarterback at
Notre Dame. And that's not even throw a shade on
their current quarterback. But nothing changed about the roster. Nothing
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changed except that Notre Dame has been crushing teams ever
since that point and Miami has shown some flaws. Do
I think that Notre Dame could beat Miami today, Yes,
But I also thought they could beat them in Week one, right,
Like it's the same exact deal, but they didn't like that.
That's the deal, Like, maybe they get another opportunity to
see each other in the playoff. I don't think so.
(39:45):
But unfortunately, that's the way it played out. I mean,
Alabama would beat Florida State, but they lost to Florida
State right in the first game. Is that's just that's
the way the game is played, That's how it played out.
I still think Alabama is better than Oklahoma, but they
lost to Oklahoma.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
That's just kind of the way it went again.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
I think Tennessee should have beaten Georgia earlier this season,
but Georgia won that game forty four to forty one,
and that's the result. That's it. That's the only metric
that we have that is at least semi objective, is
that there was a game actually played. I can't live
in a world of hypotheticals where it's well, since this
should have happened, or since this would happen today. We
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need to basically throw out everything that happened prior and
base this on paper, Like how many times is the
old cliche? The games are not played on paper. This
is why they play the games. And now you're making
an argument to the exact opposite effect.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
That's right, that's our great argument, laid out very well
by you.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
Listen.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
I think that it can make sense to consider more
than just head to head. Okay, if we're just talking fundamentally,
and if we're talking specifically about Notre Dame versus Miami,
the committee wants to consider more than.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
Head to head.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
Okay, you haven't lost me completely yet. If you want
to talk about, hey, Notre Dame has better losses than
Miami does. Okay, I'm listening, but it's not like it's
night and day. When the Committee says, we're not even
really comparing these two because we don't even view them
as equals right now, it's.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
Like, wait a minute.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
Notre Dame has not played and beaten murderer's row while
Miami hasn't played a soul. Let's not make it sound
like that. That's ridiculous to me. I don't think Notre
Dame has just separated themselves from Miami in terms of
the quality teams they've beaten. You can make an argument
they've lost to better teams, but at some point, head
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to head has to factor in more than it has.
I just don't think the committee is factored than in
the most And I think this too, Ja Mart Like
I think Notre Dame fans they gotta take the Homer
test here because I always say this, if your emotions
are invested, you have to flip the scenario completely around
and see if you still have the same stance. Do
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you still have the same opinion, because if you don't,
it shows that you're being a homer Am. I to
believe that Notre Dame fans if it was Notre Dame
with the head to head win right against Miami. Miami
had better losses, but they hadn't beaten a ton of
great teams. Should I believe that Notre Dame fans would
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be saying, oh, yeah, it makes sense even though we
beat Miami, Miami should be ranked ahead of us.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
There's no way they would be saying that.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
I think a bunch of Notre Dame fans are just
not being honest with themselves in this whole scenario here.
It pains me to say that, but I think that's
the truth.
Speaker 3 (42:41):
So you have to be very careful that what you
are applying to someone else you would apply to yourself
is basically.
Speaker 1 (42:49):
What you're saying right there.
Speaker 3 (42:51):
Yeah, and that's a perfect bridge to what we're going
to hit to open hour two, And that is what
if you were laying Kiffin because he's getting a very
interesting kind of mix of critique in the media and
then the public eye and his decisions just a couple
of days away.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
I love it all.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
Right, let's get on board the lane train. Where is
it headed or is it staying put?
You're listening to sports. Oh what is going on?
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Happy Thanksgiving to everybody out there early Thursday morning, getting
you set for some Thanksgiving ball over here. I'm sure
you're gonna have a feast. J Martin, you get into
the Thanksgiving festivities, I mean, happy day for you, I
would imagine, so right, yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Yeah, I mean the family's grown. Obviously.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
We now have two daughters, and you know, we can
see one of the sets of grandparents. My dad passed
last year and my mom's we don't we're not able
to see her the way that we once were. But yeah,
it's gonna be fun, and obviously we have a big
meal and celebrate a lot of a lot of things
that we have to be thankful for in this world.
And one of them, it looks like on this Thursday,
(00:46):
Brian is really good football. A lot of times these
games haven't been great, but there's some matchups in this one,
and there's some intriguing storylines as well. So I'm excited.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
I'm excited for all three of these NFL games, and
I kind of feel sad for what do we have?
Speaker 1 (01:02):
What's the college game? We've got? Uh, We've got Navy and.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Memphis, which is an okay game, but sandwiched in between
all this NFL stuff, that's uh, it's not gonna be
highly rated.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
You know you're doing the commercial breaks, Yeah you could.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
I'll absolutely have it going, you know, I'll have it
on like a side screen or a whatever, like a
tablet or something like that.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
But uh, yeah, it's gonna be.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
The return of Joe Burrow and Lamar Jackson and everybody
else you know involved in this Bengals Ravens game tonight.
For me, that's gonna be the the center stage. You know,
I'm you know me, j Mart. We've done plenty of
shows together. And I love football. I am a ball addict.
I think I even put that on my ex bio
(01:46):
ball addict, and uh I didn't realize.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Careful, be careful, I don't. Yeah, but I put it.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
In all caps, so I think everybody out he means football, right,
there's no uh, you know, there's no misconstruing that.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
But that we're talking about here, that's right, that's right. Yeah,
I know it. Man. Wow, that was crazy.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
But I didn't know how much I was in football
mode until yesterday.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
It's a true story.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
I was watching the the Pistons and the Celtics and
Asar Thompson went up for a point blank shot and
he got bumped, and I said, out loud but sort
of to myself. I'm like, where's the flag? I go,
where's the flag? I met, where's the foul? But I'm
so in football mode. I literally said, during a basketball game,
(02:34):
where's the flag? Like, oh my gosh, I'm not in
basketball mode yet at all. I love hoops, but man,
I am in football mode right now.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
J Mart, Yeah, dude, up with you, Like, I mean,
I'm a thunder fence. I'm pretty excited right now. But
at the same time, I'm not there yet. Like the
NBA Cup God bless it, but just I can't get
there yet. Like there's been some really nice college matchups
and it's not like I've seen none of this stuff,
but yeah, the brain is college and pro football oriented
(03:06):
right now. To say the least, it has my attention.
And we're getting down to the NDF one season, so
I've been obviously really watching that pretty hard as well.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
But like there's just this NBA season's got a long
long way to go.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
It's just there's so much basketball that's still going to
be left to watch after all the football was done,
it's just hard to get my attention on any given
matchup right now. In college the problem is all the
good matchups, all those teams are gonna end up playing
each other again, or they're going to have an opportunity
to make the tournament in March because of how many
teams get in. And then on the flip side, in
the NBA, most those teams see each other four times
(03:42):
a year anyway, So what are you going to read
into what those teams are going to be in April
because of a Rocket's Warriors tilt on Thanksgiving Eve?
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Right, Yeah, it's true. It's one of those deals.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
I never really thought of it like that, and it
really is obvious where to go from foot fotball season
and transition to basketball season.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Just think of it as.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
A sports fan, just in terms of sense of urgency. Right,
if you look at college football, still a great sense
of urgency to win games right away. You maybe get
two mulligans, depending on your schedule, what conference you're in,
that sort of thing, maybe you get two losses and
that's pretty much it. That's all you could really hope
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for and still be able to be a playoff team.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
So it's go time. Man.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
You get a little bit more wiggle room with the NFL,
but these games matter. We're talking seeding, we're talking who
wins the division, who's a wildcard team. All that stuff
is very important. And I love hoops, but to go
from the sense of urgency that you have on a
game to game basis in football college in the NFL
to like either college or especially the NBA with eighty
(04:52):
two games, it's just not even remotely close. You can't
watch these games like, come on, let's go. It's not
like that.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Man, you have so much more wig. Yeah you do.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
And I mean it's even worse for baseball, right because yeah,
you have one hundred and sixty two games there. Even
what's funny about it is, I'm making this argument, and
you're agreeing with this argument, but it always comes down
to like the last few games to see who's gonna
get the last spot. But my argument against that is
it's just like, yeah, but those aren't the teams that
are likely to win the championship anyway. Like at that point,
(05:23):
you're kind of just watching the almost watching. You're watching
the NCAA bubble, which has grown less and less interesting
as the years have passed, but like to your point,
the NFL in college football, every game feels massive because
every game has such a seismic opportunity to shift what's
gonna happen in your division much less you know what
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you're gonna be able to do and where you're gonna
see it in the playoffs and all this. So I
think that's probably the biggest thing is that each football
game feels so monumentally important because there are so many
less of.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Them, absolutely no doubt about that. Well, you know, as
we look at the three NFL games here on Thanksgiving
and that we'll zero in on them a little bit
more as we go on throughout the show today, but
just a broad view if you look at all three,
you know, really at the same time Packers Lions, followed
by Chiefs Cowboys, and then the nightcap is Bengals Ravens
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and Joe Burrow's return. Just in terms of like, you
got family stuff going on, and you know, like you
might not be able to sit there for nine plus
hours and watch every minute, but what's the game where
you're like, I gotta have some time to see this game?
In particular, is there one that you have out of
these three that interests you the most.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Well, man, I mean, they all have really intriguing storylines.
One of the things that I want to talk about
an hour or two is things that we've been dead
wrong about in the NFL so far this season. Yeah,
and I think that each of these games potentially has
a qualifier, so I don't want to go there.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
The only thing that.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
I would say, of just of the three games, the
one that pro probably has my attention to most is
Bengals Ravens. Okay, interesting that that'd be in the divisional matchup.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Obviously, so is the opener of the day.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
But I want to see what Joe Burrow looks like
coming back, because I did not feel like this was
something we were going to see, Like three four weeks ago.
I wasn't looking at Joe Burrow being back on Thanksgiving.
I thought this was probably gonna take a little bit longer.
And I wasn't sure by the time he came back,
was there going to be any chance for his team
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to be able to do anything as well.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
So, and I don't know that it is. But then
you look at the.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Flip side with Baltimore. Baltimore doesn't have much room to
mess around either. Yeah, and the thing that's really intriguing
about then is, yes, they won their last game, but
how impressive did they look doing it? Like Almost nothing
I've seen from the Baltimore Ravens during the course of
this season has left me feeling comfortable about what's happening
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there this season. I feel like I'm watching a lost season.
But at the same time, they can easily get where
they need to go and win it all because they
have the talent on the team to do it. But
it's just kind of baffling to me how this thing
has played out for them so far this year.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Yeah, no, it's true.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
And that's the thing with the Ravens where you would
think after the slow, slow start where they go one
in five and Lamar missed a couple of games, and
for them to win five straight, you know, just on paper,
if someone wasn't paying close attention, Let's say they were
backpacking in Europe or something. They're an NFL fan, but
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they haven't been plugged in this year and they're just
playing ketchup. If they looked and said, wow, Ravens are
six and five man after a horrible start, you would think, wow,
they got a lot of momentum. They're really kicking it
into gear. And this five game winning streak has been
very shoulder shruggy, if you will, right, it's been very,
very ordinary, And Lamar doesn't look to be the superstar
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that he is. He's a two time MVP. Some would
argue he should be a three time MVP. He doesn't
look like that. He looks like an unhealthy guy that's
just trying to get through games right now. So you
have to wonder if they're gonna be able to kick
it into gear and be anything close to a dynamic
team as we inch closer to playoff time, because they
don't look like it right now at all.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
No, they don't.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
And then here's the reason why I'm so interested about
the Cincinnati side. Like, we know how good Joe Burrow
is as a player when he's healthy, one, how healthy
is he? But this is a three and eight football team,
right like, I mean, you look at their record right now,
I mean they basically have to run the table to
have any shot, and I don't honestly see that happening.
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And the biggest reason is because in his absence, it's
not as if Cincinnati hasn't been able to score points.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Yeah, it's not.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Like their offense has been you know, managed by I
don't know. I was gonna try to find a really
bad Cleo Lemon. I was gonna try to find like
a really bad Dolphins quarterback. Since I know you're a
Miami fan. Okay, yeah, yeah, that's going to hit right
close to home to you.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Sure.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
But the problem is the defense hasn't been good and
that doesn't change with Joe Burrow coming back, Like he
can come out there and ball out and they can
still lose because that's what they were doing a lot
last year with him playing almost MVP level football week
after week. The defense has been the biggest issue. And
they get rid of lu Narumo, who I don't think
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he was the problem in the first place. He goes
to Indianapolis and their defense is almost instantly better, almost
instantly more aggressive. And then you look at Cincinnati and
the same problems are there, which tells me it was
the personnel. It wasn't the person on the sideline.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Absolutely. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
There are many ex coordinators, ex head coaches that if
they didn't take the professional route and they just went
straight to X and would you look at that? I
guess It wasn't me imagine that, Like, you know, I'm
sure he feels that way. He has to to some degree.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Yeah, and you're right.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
It's not like the Bengals have been losing seven team
to thirteen or something like that consistently, and now you're like,
now they finally get some offense, They've got a shot.
They've been scoring points left and right. It's the defense.
It's been brutal. I can't wait for the Chiefs and Cowboys.
Oh yeah, I mean the Cowboys last week. That was
amazing to come back from a three touchdown deficit and
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beat the defending champs. But man, you talk about a
mirage going forward, j Mart that there's all this talk
look out for the Cowboys. Look, don't let them get hot.
You don't want to face them come playoff time. It's like, bro,
bring them on with that sucky defense. Are you kidding me?
I think Mahomes, he's not gonna need to eat a
Thanksgiving meal. He is just gonna feast on the Dallas
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Cowboys in a handful of hours here. I think the
Chiefs put it on them. I don't think that it's
a sweat at all. I think that what they that
was such a it's a phony win. Going forward. I
take nothing away from the win last week. It's gonna
sound a little bit weird. The win last week was fine.
You battle back from a three touchdown deficit as a great,
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great win. But going forward, do you think the Cowboys
are that team going forward?
Speaker 1 (12:11):
They are not.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
But I can't wait to see them face the Chiefs
and see if the Chiefs can start stacking wins right now.
We've been waiting for this all season long, and now
they finally save their season against the Colts. Can they
start to build on that and gain some momentum?
Speaker 3 (12:26):
And look, that's right. I think save the season is
the way to phrase that, because they had an opportunity
to end this week being under five hundred, and that's
not how this is going to play out. At best,
they're going to be five hundred. If they were lose today,
they'll still be six and six. Them coming back and
beating the Colts was huge for their entire season. And
in terms of Dallas, Dak's been exceptional much of the season.
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He's played great. I feel like in general, Dallas has
been better than many of us anticipated them being. Maybe
that's a little allusion to our topic and now too
about what we've been wrong about so far this season.
But I do think that it's a bit of fool's
gold here. Yeah, I think that Dallas is a pretty
good football team. It's gonna put up a good fight
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because they can score points. But it's the same problem
the Bengals have. That's exactly the exact same problem. Like
they have a great tandem with Ceedee Lamb and George Pickens,
and then you see the same thing in Cincinnati with
their tandemare receivers. There's a lot of talent there, but
then on the defensive side of the ball, who do
you trust? Obviously you don't have Michael Parsons there. They
tried to make a couple of moves at the deadline,
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and I do think that they helped themselves, but to
what degree. And the other thing about the win and
the comeback, Philadelphia is champion in name only right now,
like they just there's there's something absent there.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Maybe there's a.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Larger topic to have in the next couple of days
about Philadelphia. Not that everybody else in sports radio hasn't
done that, at least at some point during the course
of the season.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
US included, but I don't.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
I just I don't feel like the win over the
Eagles is as big a deal as it should be
because I don't think that the Eagles have been as
advertised throughout much of this season.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Today's gonna tell you.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
A lot, I think, because I'm not as sure as
you are when it comes to Casey just rolling them
in this game. You could definitely be right, and the
way you laid it out makes a lot of sense.
But at the same time, I just I'm to the
point when it comes to the Chiefs where from week
to week I expect whatever happens to happen because there's
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not really a reason to predict it because from one
week to the next, it doesn't feel like there's any
kind of progression where it makes any kind of sense.
It's just like one week they show up and they
look like the best team in the league. Next week
they show up and look like they're going to miss
the playoffs. Like they're all over the map. So the
question is which version of the Chiefs shows up. We
generally know which version of Patrick Mahomes is going to
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show up, but some of the other guys less.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
So, yeah, they've been It's been a weird year for
the Chiefs. Like normally they don't commit these mistakes that
hurt them themselves. They just capitalize on their opponent's mistakes.
But man, they've hurt themselves time and time again this season.
It's crazy. And as far as the Cowboys like this,
this is like welcome to the NFL. How do you
explain this where they came back and beat the defending
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champion Eagles when they're trailing by twenty one points and
yet that's the same Cowboys team that lost to the
Panthers and to the Arizona Cardinals, Like that's that's But
I think that's the larger point is I think that
Dak is this year's Burrow. Burrow had a sensational MVP
type season last year, and because they're an average team,
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because their defense was brutal, he didn't win MVP and
they didn't make the playoffs. And I think that's the
exact same track that the Cowboys are on. And so
I think it's gonna be a wasted season for Dak.
He's putting up numbers that are just ridiculous right now,
and I think it's just gonna be an average record
at the end of the day, and how do you
(15:58):
get to an average record? You lose a game like
today against the Chiefs, and that's what I'm expecting. But hey,
we're off and running. He's Jason Martin, I'm Brian. No,
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Speaker 1 (16:26):
All right? Coming up next?
Speaker 2 (16:27):
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to be like, I wonder what they're going to talk
about next, I'm not really sure. Not this time, I'm
going to tell you exactly what we're talking about, because
I'm going to give you time to prepare. If I
gave you two chances to guess who the eventual college
football national champion is going to be this season, which
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team is your top pick, and which team is your
backup plan? Get two guesses, who are you going with?
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Speaker 1 (18:10):
Before all three of these.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Just exceptional NFL games kick off a little bit later
on this morning. But Brian, there's a game coming up
tomorrow that's pretty important. Of many right, there's an NFL
game tomorrow too that's pretty interesting, and then there's some
really good college football on Friday.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
I don't know if you've looked at the slate.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
But there's stuff to watch all day long tomorrow that's
going to be incredibly relevant to the college football playoff,
and of course just rivalries and everything else. It's gonna
be a lot of fun. But the one I'm talking
about isn't one that I think is going to be
particularly close, but it has a lot of impact beyond that,
and that is the Egg Bowl between Ole Miss and
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Mississippi State. I don't know if you can be a
sports fan at this point in time and not have
an opinion on the Lane Kiffin situation at Ole Miss,
how it's played out, the calendar becoming the giant villain
of all of this, at least on one half of
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the narrative, whether it's gonna be LSU, whether it's gonna
be Florida, whether he's gonna stay put at ole Miss,
everybody's weight in.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
We had what.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
Steven A and Paul Finebaum going at it earlier this
week on TV to where I think steven A called
Paul Finebaum a hypocrite by because Paul level critique at
Lane Kiffen for how this has played out, and stephen
A said, didn't you say I love ESPN, but I
would go be a senator, which I found really interesting,
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But I also find it to be a horrible example.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Like I think he like overthought it, like these these.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
Two things are not remotely the same, Like when you
look at what Lane Kiffin could walk away from.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Let's just say it here and then I just kind
of want your.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
Opinion to start it off is we've never seen anything
like this before where you have a one loss Ole
Miss team probably the best season maybe in their history,
going into this rivalry game where they can win it,
where they're gonna go to the College Football Playoff, and
where they're good enough to potentially win the entire thing,
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and their coach may take another job in the same
conference leave because they're not gonna let him coach in
the playoff. It'll affect their seating, it'll affect everything about that,
it could derail the entire season.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
And yet it's still something that could happen.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
And I think there's a lot of coaches where you'd
say there's no chance, But this guy, because of the
history of Lane Kiffin and how he has conducted himself
professionally in terms of his jobs, you can't. You could
never rule out the fact that he could walk away,
even at eleven and one, which is exactly what he
might be about to do.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
It's a crazy situation where if Lane is leaving, he
can't coach in the playoff. Man like the right because
the transfer window, right, so you need the next coach
to come in there, and the transfer window is between
January tewod and January sixteenth, So that's smack dab in
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the middle of the playoff, which is just so stupid
to me, Like you gotta ask yourself, is college football,
what would the NFL do? Would the NFL open free
agency smack dab in the middle of the playoffs? No,
they wouldn't be dumb they would not do that. There's
gotta be a better way to do this where you're
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not opening the transfer portal during the playoff. That's just dumb.
It makes no sense. You don't want your playoff to
be upstaged by yourself, like the college football playoff can
be upstaged in ways by the college football transfer portal.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
That makes no sense to me.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
But with the dates being what they are, so you
think about the first round, it starts December nineteenth and twentieth.
The quarterfinals are December thirty first and January first, So
in theory, you could have Lane stick around and maybe
you win the first playoff game.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
If you win the.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Quarterfinals, then what what do you You gotta have your
next head coach in place. You got the transfer portal
window opening up.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
You can't have Lane coaching the team in.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
The college football playoff as you're like now in the
final four. Basically, meanwhile, what do you what do you
do with the portal? You have no head coach, You
have no system in place. He can't be around for
the playoff. If he decides to go to LSU or
somewhere else, you can't have him as the old misshead
coach come playoff time.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
That's the situation we're in right here. No, that's right.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
Like, I mean, look, if I'm LSU and I'm gonna
pay him ninety to ninety eight mil whatever the number
turns out to be, and give him the twenty five
million annual roster cash as the offer has been reported,
I'm not paying him for a season that's going to
be a waste. I'm not giving him a dummy season
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like that. Money that I'm paying him actually has to
go into trying to field a team next year that
can win a championship, not two years from now. Especially
in nil and everything else, you can turn that around
relatively quickly. So I understand it from their perspective, and
you can understand from Lane's perspective because he's kind of caught.
He obviously had plays all the cards. I don't see
him as a victim here. He's a victim of his
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own success, if you want to say that. But he
could shut this down at any point. My question would
be this, and I said this last week to Aaron
Torres on our show on Saturday Night. I said that
as soon as I saw that they were going to
have the announcement about Lane, Kiffn's future at ole Miss.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
The day after the Egg Bowl, I said, Oh, he's
staying for sure. Oh wow.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
And the more I've thought about it, the more I've thought,
that's insane. And I feel like I got caught in. Okay,
I got caught in. I got caught in pro wrestling
booker mode, which is something I did for a while,
So maybe that's how I looked at it.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
I said, if I wanted to.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Create a hero, if I wanted to create an iconic moment,
the thing that I would do is turn it into
the greatest week in ole Miss football history, where they
go beat their rival to end the season with one loss,
where they have all sorts of momentum, potentially going into
a college football playoff. And then the next day the
question gets answered and Lane Kiffn says, you know what,
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it's it's really really nice to be wanted and LSU
and Florida and all these other opportunities. I'm so flattered
by all of this. But my family loves Oxford and
want we want to finish our business here. It's not
even that there's unfinished business and then we can leave.
It's just now like this place has been good to us,
gave us a chance. We want to win a championship
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right here. If he does that, they build a statue
for him outside the stadium and he becomes one of
the greatest heroes, maybe the biggest figure in almost football history,
or certainly one of them, and he.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Can write his ticket forever.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Like I'm looking at it from a storybook perspective, but
the realistic perspective is when you listen to Keith Carter,
the athletic director, talk about it and say, look, we
don't want our kids to be distracted this week going
into this rivalry game, and we want them to feel
like they have the full support of the university behind
them as they prepare for this game.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
That sounds like a eulogy.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
That sounds like we've got to make sure that they
have there, that they have their rescue animals, that they
have what they need, their comfort animals, their comfort squirrel
or whatever it is on the airplane to be able
to get through what's going to be a really traumatic
time period. So I have flipped on it in my
own head, but I'm sticking by my guns.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Yeah, I'm going to turn out to be a fool, probably,
and I'm well.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Aware of that. And here's the other thing. Maybe there's
a part of me. It's just like I'm rooting for
him to stay because I think that's the right decision.
And I'll lay that out for you here in a minute.
But I want to see Lane Kiffen stay at Old
Miss and build something there.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Yeah, because it could be his place. Yes, Like it's not.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Well, he's at LSU and now he's the next head
coach with Tedo and Sabin and right like now he's
won a championship along with these other guys. Yeah, he
could have his own thing at Ole Miss. I think
he's absolutely gone.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
Man, I.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Think he's going to LSU. As my guest, I've heard
some people say that he's going to Florida. I think
it's LSU. But if he were staying at Old Miss,
he would just come right out and be like, guys,
I'm not going anywhere. I'm focused on the egg Ball.
I'm focused on the College Football Playoff. We've worked for
years to be in this spot and this moment is
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all I'm about right here, So please stop connecting the dots.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
I listened.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
I decided I'm staying here at Ole Miss. It wouldn't
be hey after the egg bowl, We've got this mystery announcement.
Like unless this is straight from WWE, and you know,
look that's where I'm coming from. It's the face turn. Right,
normally it's a heel turn, it's a face turn. You
think he's gone, He's like psych I'm staying baby like, yeah, yeah,
I just don't think that's happening.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
But I like the thought. I just don't think you
would approach it that way.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
If that's now, Look, you're probably well, like I said,
I'm probably looking at it from a completely ridiculous perspective.
I admit that wholeheartedly. Like what you're saying is probably right.
You're probably smart. I'm probably not. That's just and probably
may have left the building. I just I look at
this and I and I do see it from this perspective. Also,
and I've heard this said by some people. I respect it.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
In the industry. Lane is different than a lot of
other people. He absolutely he is.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
He does things a lot now, there have been you know,
he's talked about getting sober and maturing a lot at
Old Miss, his family loving it there, and look, it's
a great town. And in this era he's closer to
a national championship by far than LSU or Florida either one.
At this point, I also say this, Let's say Lane
Kiffen is this coach for the next twenty five years
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at Ole Miss where he's right there on the doorstep,
but he didn't quite get there. He's Mark feu Egnzaga
or maybe Signetti and Indiana never quite get there, but
they're right there year after year after year. He's still
gonna go down as a legend there. Like, you think
about your quality of life there compared to what happens
to you in LSU. When you win a championship, you
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get fired a few years later. That's happened to Less Miles,
happened to edwar Jaran, It likely would have happened to
Brian Kelly, but he wasn't good enough anyway to win that.
And now they're going to pay him out his fifty
four million dollars, which we could talk about the end
of the hour.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
But like, Lane Kiffen is in.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
A perfect place where, yeah, the expectations are growing, but
they're only growing based on what he's done. Like, I
don't know that it's ever going to feel like a
failure for Lane Kiffen in that situation and then to
your point, and this to me is the key example
and the key argument. You just go become the next
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guy to win a championship at Florida. You just go
to become the next guy to win a championship at LSU.
Neither one of them that far removed from having done
just that, particularly LSU Ole Miss. You become the guy
who won at Ole Miss in that conference. You become
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kind of the face for what new college football can
look like. Where you're in a place where, yeah, they
felt like spending money because you have to in this
day and age.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
They gave him every advantage. They gave him everything that he's.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
Asked for there, and he turned that into a national champion.
That like, that's a perfect scenario. It's perfect for Yes,
it's perfect for a WWE storyline. But it's just like,
I feel like you get to the end of your
life if you're laying kiff and you say, man, I'm
glad that I state at Old Miss because the championship
were ships that I let's say we're living in hypotheticals now,
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but at which we talked about in the first hour
not being a smart thing but in this case, if
he wins a championship there or wins multiple championships at
Old Miss, I just feel like there's more there, Like
it means more that he did it there than he
just became the next guy that had the built in
historical generational advantages of a Florida or LSU and took
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that to the promised Land, right.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Right, It'd be like me.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
You could use many examples, whether it's the NFL might
make a lot of sense where if you, let's say,
Drake May wins the super Bowl in the next couple
of years with the Patriots, that matters a lot, but
they've won a lot of super Bowls, you know what
I mean. If you win a Super Bowl with I
don't know, say like the Jets, that was like, oh
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my gosh, this guy's walking on water here the quarterback.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
You know, it's just different.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
So yeah, there's something to be said about that with
Lane if he's able to win it all, and that's
the key at Ole Miss, of course, it's going to
mean more because you haven't had that type of success
that you've had at Florida In LSU. He wears the
visor as a shout out to Steve Spurrier, Like Steve
Spurrier is his guy. But it's like if you go
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to Florida, you're not the old ball coach, You're not
the OBC. You're just like you're Lane. You know, OBC
is the legend. You know, he's the guy who walks
on water. In terms of like the Gator Nation fan base,
it's not gonna be Lane. They would love him if
he's able to win big, make no mistake, they would
love him. They'd love him in LSU also, but he's
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not the guy that brought them to prominence. He would
just be, like best case scenario, the guy that brought
them back to prominence. That's not the same thing as
leading someone who's never been there to prominence. But the
other thing, I'm still hung up on this transfer window thing, man,
where it's a shame. Let's say Lane he takes the
(32:04):
job at LSU. That's not a crime, right, Like many
coaches have gone from one school to the next. He
has won enough games to be in the College Football Playoff,
and he should be able to coach his.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Team in the College Football Playoff.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
But the transfer window being where it is and it's
the only window all year, long. Now, if you don't
take advantage of this window between January two to the sixteenth,
you are screwed. You are left out in the cold,
in the wilderness with no jacket on and no talent
on your roster, and you're gonna suck. And it's a
(32:42):
horrible spot to be in going forward. Ole Miss can't
set themselves up for failure going forward. So if Lane
Kiffin takes another gig and is like, what do you
mean I can't coach the playoff like we fought and
scratched to get here, like when it al Pajet, We
claw with our fingernails those yes, And now he can't
(33:03):
even have him there because the transfer went How dumb
is college football to put this thing where it is.
That should never be the case where a coach really
can't move on because he can't be with his original
team in the playoff.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
It shouldn't be like that. Man, that's just a bad setup.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
I mean, he's gonna look like Benedict Arnold, like if
he walks out on them, even after what he's done
for them.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
Which I think is like it's it's a really.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
Tough spot, yeah, for him to be in, and he
has to I know he has to think about it
this way too and say, look, is my name ever
gonna be hotter than this again?
Speaker 1 (33:39):
Is Old Miss?
Speaker 3 (33:40):
Are we going to be in this position again to
where we're gonna have pretty much every job in a
country that's open wants me.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
Do I ever get another.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
Opportunity to take LSU or Florida? Do I have to
do it now or never? And in my opinion maybe not.
But even like, is it so bad to be the
Old Miss coach for the next thirty years? I don't
think so, not in this day and age. So I'm
still hoping against hope. And maybe that's why I'm gonna
look like a fool on Saturday. You can tune in
Saturday Night with me and Aaron Torres, and maybe I'll
(34:08):
just have my foot already in my mouth by that
point in time, trying to remove it somehow at that point.
So we don't know whether or not Lane Kiffin is
going to stick at Ole Miss, for he's gonna go elsewhere.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
When we come back, We're gonna.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
Talk about two quarterbacks that have already gone elsewhere, both
from the same team, and now they've got They've got
a rookie at quarterback where things haven't been going particularly well,
and I'm gonna ask you how you feel about both
of those teams going forward. But back to lane game
Day's rule. I don't know if he's staying in Mississippi
(34:44):
he said it to Florida, or.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
He's headed to Louisiana.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
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Yeah, Indiana's crushing it, Purdue not so much. Yeah, that's
kind of Patty Sweeka doing impressions of various talk show hosts,
you know, but very funny stuff. We'll get that in
in the third hour. We'll definitely get that in.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
Today.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
There is a very popular art argument in favor of
my absolute favorite team in the history of teams, Jason Martin,
and I actually hate this argument.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
I think it's a horrible argument. Now.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
It is the Notre Dame fighting Irish. I'm talking nd
football right here. I'm from South Bend. Love Notre Dame football.
But you know, this knockdown drag out between Notre Dame
and Miami, who should be in, who should be out?
Back and forth type thing, the head to head Miami
won it. I think that should be factored in a
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lot more heavily than the committee is factoring it in.
But the argument I will hear in favor of Notre
Dame is well, if they met on a neutral field, now,
Notre Dame would win. And it's like, how do we
know that exactly. How is that just sett in stone
for sure, no doubt about it. Like I thought I
(37:56):
thought Ohio State was gonna crush Michigan last year by
three touchdowns they lost. Like this idea that oh neutral field,
Oh yeah, Notre Dame would win. Notre Dame's just better. Now,
it's like the better team doesn't always win a game.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
So we get this straight.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
We're putting a team into the playoff just because we
think they would win on a neutral field.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
Now, like, really, that is.
Speaker 6 (38:21):
The body we play the original game, right, Why don't
we go by actual results instead of hypotheticals like this
idea that it's for sure going to happen just as
we see it.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
We've watched enough football to know better than that.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
We can't rank teams higher than the other just because
we think of what would happen.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
Now, that is so bad, man.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
But I hear that all the time right now, and
it's in favor of my Irish, But I think it's
a horribly flawed and awful argument.
Speaker 3 (38:50):
Yeah, Like you can have fun and hypotheticals, but you
can't live in hypotheticals, Like, yeah, there was a game
that was actually played between those two teams.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
That has to matter. It has to factor.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
In in some way, shape or form, or else it
shouldn't have been played in the first place. It makes
no sense to say, well, if they played now, Dude,
there's no trade deadline in college football. Josh Allen was
not acquired before the deadline to become played quarterback at
Notre Dame. And that's not even throw a shade on
their current quarterback. But nothing changed about the roster. Nothing
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changed except that Notre Dame has been crushing teams ever
since that point and Miami has shown some flaws. Do
I think that Notre Dame could beat Miami today, Yes,
But I also thought they could beat them in Week one, right,
Like it's the same exact deal, but they didn't like that.
That's the deal, Like, maybe they get another opportunity to
see each other in the playoff. I don't think so.
(39:45):
But unfortunately, that's the way it played out. I mean,
Alabama would beat Florida State, but they lost to Florida
State right in the first game. Is that's just that's
the way the game is played, That's how it played out.
I still think Alabama is better than Oklahoma, but they
lost to Oklahoma.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
That's just kind of the way it went again.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
I think Tennessee should have beaten Georgia earlier this season,
but Georgia won that game forty four to forty one,
and that's the result. That's it. That's the only metric
that we have that is at least semi objective, is
that there was a game actually played. I can't live
in a world of hypotheticals where it's well, since this
should have happened, or since this would happen today. We
(40:25):
need to basically throw out everything that happened prior and
base this on paper, Like how many times is the
old cliche? The games are not played on paper. This
is why they play the games. And now you're making
an argument to the exact opposite effect.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
That's right, that's our great argument, laid out very well
by you.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
Listen.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
I think that it can make sense to consider more
than just head to head. Okay, if we're just talking fundamentally,
and if we're talking specifically about Notre Dame versus Miami,
the committee wants to consider more than.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
Head to head.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
Okay, you haven't lost me completely yet. If you want
to talk about, hey, Notre Dame has better losses than
Miami does. Okay, I'm listening, but it's not like it's
night and day. When the Committee says, we're not even
really comparing these two because we don't even view them
as equals right now, it's.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
Like, wait a minute.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
Notre Dame has not played and beaten murderer's row while
Miami hasn't played a soul. Let's not make it sound
like that. That's ridiculous to me. I don't think Notre
Dame has just separated themselves from Miami in terms of
the quality teams they've beaten. You can make an argument
they've lost to better teams, but at some point, head
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to head has to factor in more than it has.
I just don't think the committee is factored than in
the most And I think this too, Ja Mart Like
I think Notre Dame fans they gotta take the Homer
test here because I always say this, if your emotions
are invested, you have to flip the scenario completely around
and see if you still have the same stance. Do
(42:05):
you still have the same opinion, because if you don't,
it shows that you're being a homer Am. I to
believe that Notre Dame fans if it was Notre Dame
with the head to head win right against Miami. Miami
had better losses, but they hadn't beaten a ton of
great teams. Should I believe that Notre Dame fans would
(42:27):
be saying, oh, yeah, it makes sense even though we
beat Miami, Miami should be ranked ahead of us.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
There's no way they would be saying that.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
I think a bunch of Notre Dame fans are just
not being honest with themselves in this whole scenario here.
It pains me to say that, but I think that's
the truth.
Speaker 3 (42:41):
So you have to be very careful that what you
are applying to someone else you would apply to yourself
is basically.
Speaker 1 (42:49):
What you're saying right there.
Speaker 3 (42:51):
Yeah, and that's a perfect bridge to what we're going
to hit to open hour two, And that is what
if you were laying Kiffin because he's getting a very
interesting kind of mix of critique in the media and
then the public eye and his decisions just a couple
of days away.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
I love it all.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
Right, let's get on board the lane train. Where is
it headed or is it staying put?
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