December 2, 2025 • 46 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, the guys talk about the Patriots beating up on the Giants during Monday Night Football, the complete disfunction of the Las Vegas Raiders organization, who could be the next head coach for Penn State, and more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the best of two pros and a couple
Joe with Lamar airings, Rady Win and Jonas Knox on radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Here's the only thing I'll take away from that game.
Two things happen that are gonna be noteworthy. Everyone's going
to make a big deal about Jackson dark and absolutely
lit up on the sideline, which on him. And it's
shocking that he hasn't learned by now after all the
hits he's taken, why he would just think that he
could get an extra yard or so and no one's
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going to take a shot at him a legal hit.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
By the way.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
And then I have no idea what happened on the kick.
I just I've never seen that before in my life.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
And I don't get it, Like why did he stop? Well,
Like why did he just put his foot in the
ground Like it just seemed like it was a normal routine.
Why I don't understand why he stopped.
Speaker 5 (00:56):
Maybe that patch of turf was like three inches taller
than the other around it, and so he just tripped
up on it like a little speed bump in the turf.
Maybe that's what it was. Other than that doesn't make
any sense whatsoever.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
He just personally, I'm confused as to why Q didn't
a A three most memorable, which was the coach's decision
not to play abdual Carter were.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Going to do it.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
So I mean, I wait to see, Well, I don't I.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Do my job, you know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (01:28):
Like, I don't I don't do this like their pennstaters
or anything like that.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
I do my job, and I know that's three.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
Like I thought, it was interesting how the telecast danced
around the fact that it was Like when they came
out at halftime, the reporter asked the coach, you know,
why isn't he you know, why did you sit Abdul
for the first quarter? And it was a coach's decision,
Like okay, thank you coach, and you ended the interview.
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It's not even like you asked another question. So it
made that reporter feel so awkward that he would just say, oh,
it's just a football a coach's decision, Like you can't
elaborate on that, Like you do know that this is
Monday night football. You do know you're an interim head coach.
You do know that this is the New York Giants.
You do know this is the New York Giants versus
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the Patriots. How do you not press the question? So
it almost seems as though it was almost like a
like even when Joe and Troy touched on it, it
was more or less a Okay, it's a coach's decision
and no context, no color to it. Generally speaking, you're
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going to give a little context, a little color to
why a player isn't playing in the game, especially when
you list them as a starter on on the telecast.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
You want to do you want to hear Mike Kafka afterwards, absolutely,
interim head coach, here was him, hopefully answering the question
that everybody wants to know why Abdul Carter was benched
for the start of that game.
Speaker 6 (03:04):
You know, I talked with that duel about this week
and decided to not play them for the first two series.
This was just strictly my decision to not play him
this week early in the game, early in the game,
and he listened. When he came back in the game,
you saw the kind of impact he had and the
player that this guy is, and I this is a
this is a kid that I again I back. I
support this kill highly and for any young player that
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we have on the roster, whether it's a duel or
any rookie or young player, We're gonna make sure we
take them under our wing and continue to develop these
guys because they're poor in us. They're important to me
and them duels no different, just like Jackson, just like
you know, young players like Tracy and da all these
guys are that are stepping up in big time, major roles.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
You know, these are the guys that.
Speaker 6 (03:46):
We're continuing to develop, continuing to grow, continue to be pros.
And you know, the standards that we have in our
program are super our sky high and everyone's gonna upheld
to them. But that was my decision, my decision only.
Anything else else outside of it, it's gonna be kept
in house.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
I mean, speak to the last part of what you said.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
You know, Shody danced around it with with lamb and pickings.
Why do co if you're going to make a disciplinary
hold on decision?
Speaker 2 (04:17):
What well? I mean, as far as what's been alleged
of what happened, I don't know if we're going to
kill into that.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Do he? It doesn't matter. We can't go into what's
alleged in the mud.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
Get a snorl Why are you not going But why
are you not going to talk about it? If that's
what you're going to do, you know you're going to
be asked about it. Like even that explanation that he
just gave, he gave no context until the end. He says, Okay,
there's a standard. It's a very high standard, and everybody's
going to be held to it.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
What exactly are you talking about?
Speaker 4 (04:54):
Like, you don't have to go into the gory gory
details of anything, but you can give some Okay, he
did X, Like go ahead, Q.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
What is it alleged that he X?
Speaker 4 (05:07):
What he did that would lead to him not living
up to this standard of what being a New York
Giant is supposed to be.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
That's what I want to know.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Let's do this. Do we have the sound of Abdull Carter?
Do we have it? Jonas?
Speaker 5 (05:21):
No, we don't have Abdual card I think we do.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
We're just working on it.
Speaker 7 (05:24):
That's efforting, efforting, efforting now, So it's not a great explanation,
But I do think that we have to be have
some integrity here and make sure that we hear from
not just a coach but also the player.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
I'm going to be fair to all parties here.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Correct, before we started throwing around some allegations that you
know aren't very flattering.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
They're not flattering.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Again, sure, Lorne, I think there's a clip of it.
You can just hear the beginning part. So well, it's
ready if you want it, all right, let's do it justified.
Speaker 8 (06:05):
Yeah, I mean I let my team down the first
two jobs.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
I was out the excore seventeen points.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
I'll take that. I take responsibility for that. I gotta
be out there.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
I gotta do better.
Speaker 5 (06:16):
I mean, sounds responsible to me.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
You know, yea sounds doesn't really want to say what
exactly happened. But now more your this is more your
real house. Justas well.
Speaker 5 (06:28):
I'm just a fair and bounce reporter, So I mean
there now. Jordan Renan, who covers the Giants for ESPN,
he said that Abdul Carter this came out a short
time ago that Abdul Carter was benched for the first
quarter of the game because of tardiness. It was the
second time in three games that the rookie linebacker was disciplined.
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So this just standard tardiness.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
It happened that that's all you're going with.
Speaker 5 (06:55):
It's all so there's that. Then there was a report
that came out earlier on from Wesley Steinberg, who I'm
almost positive this is a fake account.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
I was about to say, who is he?
Speaker 5 (07:07):
I don't know. I'm not sure so this was this
was but yeah, well, I mean listen, here's here's the
report from Wesley Steinberg. The Giants defense Van Abdul Carter
will miss the first drive tonight for disciplinary reasons after
getting caught watching porn in a team meeting when his
headphones disconnected.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
Now, what do you mean? What is headphones disconnected? What
does that mean?
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Listened?
Speaker 5 (07:33):
He had his headphones in and he was watching, you know, something.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
On but didn't know that he had his headphones disconnected.
So the sound he popped out was going out through
the meeting.
Speaker 5 (07:43):
Yeah, they popped out.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Yeah, which, you know, I gotta be honest with you,
I'm not sure that's the first time that's probably ever
happened in a team meeting, you know, or that a
guy had that happened before.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Well, so definitely is not unique. Yeah, and that's not
on me.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
I'm just saying that's not There are some really, really
nasty dudes that be in locker rooms.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
That's right, and I would say it's more on the
defensive side of the ball than offensive.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
We got.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
The names that popped into my head immediately were receivers.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
I'm sorry, receiver. Receivers are the biggest freaks in locker rooms. Man,
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
I'm thinking about a few defensive players in the back of.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
My head right now, and that I'm like, yeah, okay,
I'm thinking of a few. And that was before you
had internet traveling, you know, stuff like that. Like, I'm
talking dudes at many DVD movie TV players.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
What about porn?
Speaker 5 (08:39):
What about tight ends that may or may not be
behind bars currently?
Speaker 4 (08:42):
Yeah, I mean that's next level. Yeah, that's next level freak.
But that's a that's an offensive player. I mean, you home,
get it done.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
This is an interesting conversation. In the actual game itself, you're.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Running out their homeless shorties. Man, come on, bro, good dude.
Speaker 5 (09:01):
Us really repped your engine on that shopping cart.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
In the cart, come on, ben, dude was riding his
bicycle like on the move, a John on the move, man,
Come on, man, you could do better than that. But
that's a But listen, people be allowing dudes to get
away with stuff like, Okay, if you felt like this
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is a high standard and whatever it is that he did,
let's just say whatever it is that he did, if
it if it required you to feel like you were
going to discipline him by holding him out for a
series or two or the first quarter, that's really no
standard building to me. That's not that's not a significant
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movement of we're disciplining you. We're helping you to understand
that this thing is which, by the way, at the
pro level, like what do you mean You're like you
don't need a father figure?
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Sorry, I mean if if somebody becomes a father figure
to you at the league level, like that's that's interesting
at some point, grow the f up?
Speaker 5 (10:14):
Is that a George Michael song? Father figure?
Speaker 3 (10:18):
It is? I don't know, is it?
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Which appropriate?
Speaker 4 (10:20):
It wouldn't have been the intro song that we listened
to to the show. I'll say that that wasn't George
Michaels and that wasn't father.
Speaker 5 (10:26):
I mean, And by the way, if the story is true,
he was just watching it, you know. I mean, it's
not like we don't know.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
We don't know that because nobody's really putting it out there.
I mean, he put it out there. If that if
that's true.
Speaker 5 (10:41):
Now, does this impact his standing within Styck City or
does it give new meaning to that term.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
I don't know what's true or what's not true, and
and and me and I do don't communicate, So I
don't you know, I don't know what he's got going on,
you know, I I don't know if he's okay. I
don't you know, I don't know what he's got going on.
So I hope he's okay. I hope he's being responsible.
I hope that that report is not true. I can say,
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at the least, at the minimum, it sounds as though
the tardiness is true. And I would say he knows
better than that. Like most athletes that have to make
it through a successful campaign at the college level, you know,
one of the main things that you have to always
do and be is on time. That's just not it's
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a non negotiable. And I don't know if times are changing,
because I'm hearing more and more about how guys are
a little bit dismissive towards being on time. But from
what I can gather, you know, that's still a standard,
that's a very very respected standard. It's a very very
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supported and and you know it's a standard where there
can be repercussions and consequences for not being on time.
You know, clocks were set ten minutes behind. Ten minutes
behind was on time. So fifteen minutes fifteen minutes early,
you're actually early ten minutes. And it was like that
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with coach Kaflin in New York as well. He had
the clock set ten minutes earlier. So one thing that
I'm never in life at this point is late. Like
to this day, I'm just never late. I'll either beat
my alarm up or I'll do I'll do four or five,
you know, snooze alarms, whatever it may be. But late,
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it's just not a part of what I do on
a daily basis. And I don't know where these new
school cats, you know, are getting that from.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
You're just okay to be late.
Speaker 5 (12:53):
Do you think not that it's an part of it?
Is they recognize, look, we already at our coach, our
defensive coordinator got clipped. They're just trying to get through
this year.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
But that that's a horrible show character. If that's the case,
that's because it's more about you. It's more about your
body of work. It's more about your reputation than it
is about there being a substitute teacher in the classroom.
Even though I was probably the worst behave people when
there was substitutes growing up, you were I was. I
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was like substitute. Yes, crumble up a piece of paper.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
I could see you getting after it.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
I hit the nerd.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
Now, I hit the nerd closest to me upside the
head with that balled up piece of paper.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Damn would you be doing what was alleged? You know?
Speaker 4 (13:44):
As far as though I was in grade school, Q,
I was in grade school when this was going on.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Yeah, high school. I didn't care. High school. I didn't
care the main teacher over there.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Maybe it was good housekeeping or you know, pres secrets
back then.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Unless sure, on man, you mean Playboy or Penthouse or something.
I don't know that. Yeah, I don't know about that.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
The Penhouse always felt was better because it was more
graphic than Playboy.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
Yeah, play was tasteful if you.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Could you could read alongside.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
Of Yeah you could, you could. And they became celebrities
or were celebrities like this was locker room talk. Yeah,
well there you go, there you go.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Well, stupid, we're just trying to get to the bottom
of what happened here.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
I don't know, but I wonder what were their subtitles?
What what he was alleged looking at. I mean, since
we're getting into stories in Playboy, where their subtitles?
Speaker 3 (14:49):
You know? Was it in English? You know? I don't know.
Speaker 5 (14:51):
Now did he use your browser's password or does he
have his own?
Speaker 4 (14:56):
I don't know what that is and I do not
have a password to it.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
What is that?
Speaker 5 (15:03):
I don't know?
Speaker 3 (15:04):
Spell it.
Speaker 5 (15:07):
And give you yours?
Speaker 3 (15:09):
Spell it, give you yours.
Speaker 8 (15:12):
That when this subject took a turn, well, I just
you know, I want to throw a possibility out there.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
Uh oh uh oh.
Speaker 8 (15:19):
Look, these days, it's very easy to be on your
your x feed, right, and you're not even necessarily looking,
and some sometimes stuff just pops up on your x
feed and you know, you don't have headphones in, and
then the audio just starts playing automatically, and you're like, oh, geez.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
Hey, that's a good one. That's a good one, coop.
Speaker 5 (15:40):
Yeah, but isn't that based on algorithm? Not necessarily, they
kind of know what you're peeking, peeking around at, and
they go, you know, I mean maybe you'll like this too.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
Not necessarily, because what what will happen is they'll actually
put it in a post that's a normal post. You'll
see those those like schmutty things that that Coop throughout there,
you'll see them in regular post like as like paid
advertisement type deals like placement, product placement, whatever. I don't know,
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I know a geo fences, but that doesn't I don't
think it's based off of if you're searching that. I
think it's based off of like age, sex, you know,
stuff like that. You know, like, I mean, I guess
you would say what in twenty twenty five. I mean
I'm talking like male female male versus female.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
I mean, what are you talking about right now?
Speaker 3 (16:35):
Did you hear what Coop just said?
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Damn yes? But like, how what does that do with
geo fencing.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
Because you're you're advertising to a certain demographic of people,
so they they clearly whoever whatever porn Coop was seeing
on his ex was clearly him being geo fenced. Like
they're they're they're advertising the Coop, they want Coop, and.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
It clearly went.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
I was just throwing out hypotheticals.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
I don't know what that you put yourself in the game.
You gotta play. You put yourself in, coach, put me in.
You in the game.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Bruh, Well, I want to give you a chance to
offend yourself, Coop. What is he talking about?
Speaker 8 (17:24):
I think I think it's he's just saying correctly that
you don't necessarily have to seek it out in order
for it to show up in your algorithm.
Speaker 5 (17:33):
Give an example, what were you looking for and what
popped up instead?
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Now you're scrolling?
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Yeah, exactly, exactly exactly.
Speaker 8 (17:41):
So if I if I click on a picture of
Sidney Sweeney, then all of a sudden, I might scroll
a couple more, you know, a page down, and then
all of a sudden there's.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
Like yeah, but it doesn't say that it's just somebody
getting it handed to him, Like, it's just it's just.
Speaker 5 (17:58):
There and what's there?
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Yeah? Cuoe, what was it? What you got busted for?
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Dude?
Speaker 2 (18:03):
I didn't get busted for anything.
Speaker 5 (18:05):
This is a fairly hypothetical thing.
Speaker 8 (18:07):
I'm talking about what maybe happen to Abduall Carter out frame.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Hey Emmers, all right.
Speaker 5 (18:16):
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By the way, the Patriots are a pretty good team,
even though I can't take too much away from them
playing against the Giants, but they're pretty.
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Speaker 5 (19:16):
Hey, should we get into the uh, the debacle that
is the Las Vegas Raiders and the the Chip Kelly
throwing under the bus conversation we were having. We talked
about this a little bit on Friday, LaVar and I Brady,
but you actually set the story over about Chip Kelly
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in Las Vegas gets fired as offensive coordinator and then
a report comes out from Tom Pellisero that says, well,
you know, he was calling the wrong plays and he
was you know, had the formations wrong, and just all
of this detail that comes out after the guy is gone,
and it's like, wait, what, we're just gonna, like, we're
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gonna go in that in depth to throw a guy
under the bus staffter he's out out of the building.
It's just been a real back and forth apparently, and
Chip Kelly trying to get his side. It just the
whole thing's a mess, and I think it's an indicator
of what a mess that place is under Pete Carroll.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Yeah, under Peter Carroll. But also you have to think
of ownership too, right, I mean this is Pete Carroll's
first year. Mark Davis, with the help of some others,
you know, selected Pete Carroll to be a part of
this and really build this team back up. And I
think everyone knew it was going to be a slow build,
that it wasn't like they could turn things around right away.
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But Pete's also getting up there in age. But I
think one of the things you have to like pay
attention to in all of this is who's on that
staff and why they would put so much blame on
the Raiders offense, which, mind you, has been poorshe there's
no doubt about it. They've been poor, but they also
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don't have much talent. Their best player is Brought Bowers,
who was hurt for a good portion of the season.
They were lying heavily on a rookie running back in
Ashton Genty. They don't really have any threats or anyone
on the outside of wide receiver that scare you. And
Pete Carroll handpicked Geno Smith to come in here knowing
all of this to be growing pains in a division
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that basically every single team is five hundred or better.
So it was always going to be a rough year,
a uphill battle. What's interesting about the play calling conversation
and just to take you behind the scenes, and I'm
sure LeVar knows this too, and he because he's probably
looking at the defense the same way. When you have
a play caller, he's reading off of a laminated game plan.
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And I can't tell you how many hours go into
scripting out that game plan. And the reason why there's
always a paper laminated version of this is because there's
a number associated with every single play you're going to
run in a game, and there's a number of fotiated
with every single play, like flip one four all right,
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every single play is in a right handed formation, so
you know, gun trips right, sixty four, special eight sneak.
If you said flip one twenty four, if that was
that play, you'd flip itto, gun trips left, sixty five,
all evens go to odds, rights to left, et cetera.
You know sixty five specially h sneak. So that's how
it's scripted out. There is no way, no way, for
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as long as Chip Kelly has been calling plays, running
teams being a part of it, that he would call
a play that wasn't called the correct way. All these
game plans that's right there in front of them on paper.
It'd be really, really, really hard to do that. Now,
you may make some adjustments on the sidelines. There might
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be times when they say, hey, they're giving us this. Look,
we didn't expect this. Remember what we did three weeks ago.
We're gonna do this, and you end up calling the
player putting the play together like that. That could happen,
but usually that's coming from the play caller, so he's
not going to mess up the call. So this entire
point report for coming from Tom Pelsero, and I know
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it comes from an agent because that's always how it works.
Most of those guys just get their information from an agent.
Is I mean, it's hard to believe it's factual. You know,
are there going to be times where something wasn't tagged
the right way or something else potentially, or maybe there's
some confusion too, depending on the process of how they
go about calling plays. But to sit there and throw
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it on Ship Kelly, it feels like there's something else
at play here. And if I was to tell you
LeVar that Nate Carroll and Brennan Carroll, who are Pete
Carroll's sons, are both on that offensive staff O line
run game coordinator, wouldn't that concern you a little bit
once you think, like, Okay, he was maybe trying to
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preserve his sons and put the blame on Ship Kelly,
when in reality this past week that offense looked no different.
It looked like the same damn offensive looked like all year,
and the same offense that Pete Carroll brought from Seattle
back during his time there as head coach. It didn't
look anything like what we saw from chip Kelly out
Ohio State last year or anything that I've seen with
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chip Kelly's offense in the past. So they can point
the blame all the one at chip Kelly, But the
reality is this felt more like they were trying to
protect their family and what this offense looks like in Las.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
Vegas, oh because they're a family ain't done winning.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
Yeat Listen, it's a It's an interesting theory, I'll say that.
And nepotism is one hundred percent a very real deal,
and so is self preservation. And when you're in the
power rankings at number thirty one out of thirty two,
there have to be some consequences. And here's the thing
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I would say in this scenari hold the ship, hold
the line, and continue to build and see where you
can get to in year two and year three. But
because of the precedents that has been set by what
they've done in years past, a La Antonio Pierce, you
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didn't give that same grace to him last season. And
if I'm Pete Carroll, you probably came in and did
your interview and said.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Look at this roster.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
Give me this roster along with my coaching staff that
I will assemble. Here's the list of guys, and we're
going to win next year. Oh that's right, we're gonna
get it done. And you know what, that's probably what
one of the selling points was for Pete Carroll to
get this job. So for them to be as poor
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as they are. Two wins, two wins, and your offense stinks,
and your defense stinks, and your team stinks, which means
you're coaching stinks. You can try to pinpoint one person
if you like, You can make it about hey, it
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was the offensive coordinator's fault. Hey, it was the defensive
coordinator's fault. The preservation here, I don't even think it's
for his kids, it's for him. It's for Pete Carroll himself,
an aging coach that came back out of after losing
his job in Seattle, where he had full control. They said,
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he didn't answer to nobody.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
The owner left him to do what he wanted to do.
You step into this situation here and you can't do
any better than two wins, and you're looking at a
guy that took a team that was in pretty pretty
bad shape in some regards in New England, and he
turns it around in one year.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
You see a guy go into Chicago and he's turning
around the team in one year.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
Like you see a guy.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
Go into these situations and they're able to do this.
But Pete Carroll is over here and he has had
horrible results. I think it's not only self preservation over
his kids that are on the offensive side of the ball,
but it is it more specifically, in my estimation, it's
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over him because at this point it's over Johnny.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
If he loses his job based off of this, it's over.
You can forget about it. Say that because it's old,
crusty ass. They're gonna retire him to a retirement home.
They ain't taking him nowhere but to that that.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
Little house where you get three four naps a day,
you get three hots.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
And and and you play board games.
Speaker 5 (28:08):
Let me ask you this. There you go, let me
ask you this. Who's done a better job, Pete Carroll
or Bill Belichick.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
It's a funny question.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
Well, I'm gonna say Bill Belichick because he gets he
gets happy action, fun time off the field.
Speaker 5 (28:29):
That's correct.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
What does it get LeVar?
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Happy action, fun time?
Speaker 2 (28:37):
What's wrong with you?
Speaker 5 (28:39):
That is correct?
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Happy action? Fun time.
Speaker 5 (28:46):
The Raiders are unwatchable bad, like really really bad. And
and this this whole concept that's my favorite part. When
bad teams make coaching decision or coaching moves, like what
do you really think is going to happen? It's rare
that a team makes a coaching move and the team
all of a sudden, you know, goes on a heater.
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They did a little bit with Antonio Peers, the Raiders did.
They did a little bit with rich Bassacia. But if
you go back to when Urban Meyer was fired by
the Jaguars, they still sucked. When eber Flus was fired
by the Bears, they still sucked. The Giants move on
from Brian day Ball, they still suck. So this idea
that one guy, specifically a coordinator, is the reason to
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blame for why you're bad. When the offensive lines had issues,
Bowers has been banged up, as we've talked about, and
Gino Smith just hasn't played well. To me, it's just
a bad look. It's a rap move, it feels like,
and it feels like people there are just doing whatever
they can and not be accountable for their poor profile.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
And by the way, the Seattle Seahawks, how good are
they this year?
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Yeah? Balling?
Speaker 4 (29:57):
How are they doing? Where are they at post Pete Carroll?
So let's not act as though. Let's not act as
though the Pete Carroll effect, which in the past has
been real, it's a real effect, it's a real impact.
What he brings to the table is very real. But
where we're at today it's not. It's a very real
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miss and they got to live with that. You brought
Geno Smith in as the franchise guy because you trusted
Pete Carroll. That move and not move alone Mike should
constitute the idea of possibly saying, you know what, maybe
he's to the point now where he's not fit to
be a head coach in the National Football League because
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you damn sure had ap doing it with two backups
last year. I didn't think he the choice he wanted
was in the draft, and they did not make the
move to try to get the two players that he
was trying to bring in to start the rebuild of
this team. Until you start the rebuild from the bottom up,
foundational pieces, this team is going to continue to struggle
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and it's going to continue to get the same results.
And if you have a head coach making the decisions
like bringing in this guy thinking that he's going to
be the starter that changes the you know, the fortunes
of this franchise.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
Then if you're.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
Judging all things given, all things, even if you're judging evenly,
then Pete Carroll should be on the scrap heap on
Black or Black Monday as well.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
Right, and just being real.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
All I know is Chip Kelly will end up making
one point six four million dollars per game that he
was the coordinator for in Las Vegas. He had signed
a three year, eighteen million dollars deal. That's six million teer.
You can obviously, oh yeah, and you can obviously see why.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
Let's coach q D.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
He left Ohio State he got.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
Ain't paying us enough. Man, come on, let's go coach.
We'll leave Joe this here. Jonas wants to coach. Jonas
wants to do Radio Boy himself. Anyway, come on, let's
go coach man.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
That's kind of true.
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Speaker 2 (32:17):
As of this moment, right, now pretty fantastic. No, it's incredible.
You can bet on anything. It's like future odds on everything.
Uh Kalani Sataki has a sixteen percent chance according to
this live betting market. Brian Hartline now is at eighteen percent.
But it's Jeff Brom, the current head coach at Louisville,
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who actually is the odds on favorite to be the
next head coach that we are Penn State. And I
gotta tell you who's the odds on favorite, Jeff Brom. Okay,
And I gotta tell you I would love it if
that was the higher for Penn State. I think this
is one of the more underrated coaches in college football.
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I think he's maximized a lot of what he's had
wherever he's been going, from his time at you know,
Purdue and now obviously at at Louisville. I think if
he goes to Penn State, he can recruit, he can coach,
and he'll find quarterbacks. Like I just I would love
that for him and for Penn State. I think it'd
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be a really really good job there, and then there's
a domino effect there. You know, you'd be looking at
the potential now of you know what happens with Brian Harline.
Does he look at Louisville, does he look at potentially Kentucky,
which he's rumored to be interviewing for so a lot
of things up in there right now. But again, nowhere
else in the world can you find the Church of
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Latter Day Saints teaming up with Crumble Cookies to try
to find a way of keeping their head Coach.
Speaker 5 (33:48):
I mean, like, who do you got in that one
Church of Latter Day Saints and Crumble Cookies or you know,
Penn State and Primanny.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
The Pagoula family. I don't know. It's it's it's pretty wild.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
He is not the same as Pagoula. It's two different families.
But yeah, but go ahead. You know one is in Buffalo,
and I mean it's your alma mater, bro.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
You tell me, because I find all this stuff fascinating.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
Is it is fascinating. It's fascinating listening, lebar, what are
you hearing? I'm not hearing anything.
Speaker 5 (34:20):
Why can't you can we just give us some intel,
like something? Can you throw us a bone, like throw something?
Speaker 4 (34:27):
I'm just I'm just curious. So the the percentages that
are being thrown out there none of them included Terry
Smith on there none of I didn't hear you say
Kaylin de boor either, like.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
I didn't say killing the boor, I didn't say Brian Dable.
I know there's a lot of former players pushing for
Brian Dable behind the scenes. Supposedly he interviewed very well,
which he does interview.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
They work up Bobby.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
You didn't bring up Bobby Ingram, Like there's there's a
couple of guys that are interviewing that are well.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
I'm sure a It sounds like there's been a wide
net that's been casting, so I don't doubt that, but
I'm not sure how many have a legitimate shot.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
So okay, it's interesting.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
I mean, I think I'm much like why nobody else
with vested interest. We're just waiting to see what happens.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
That's all.
Speaker 5 (35:22):
No offense. But why would kaln Debor leave Alabama for?
Speaker 4 (35:25):
Why would you say no, no offense? If he were
to leave, it would be the same reason. Why why
the you know Lane Kiffin left the old.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Miss No, it would be different reason.
Speaker 4 (35:39):
Well, what would be the different reason? It's the bottom
line to me, that's it. That's always the same reason
to tell you. If I'm getting more money, then I'm
going like, that's hey. I if ESPN came to me
and said we're gonna give you X amount of more
than what you're making that Fox, I'd be like ce Jonas,
I love y'all heading over to Yes, I'm gonna catch you.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
I'm gonna check y'all trust I like that.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
But I also think there's other things that play into
to that. If the money's equal to that, you know,
maybe someone's not happy with with where they're at and
how that's all going, because.
Speaker 4 (36:14):
People do want them out of there at Alabama, right,
That's what I well.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
There's people who aren't necessarily happy with how things have gone,
which it was always gonna be tough to fill the
shoes of the greatest college football head coach of all time,
you know, so that was gonna be a tough task regardless.
But I do think that they're you know, if your
family's unhappy or you're not liking where you're at, how
things are going. Even though you'd have to say he's
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done a pretty decent job, there will be a most
likely a playoff team this year. I mean, most people
think that regardless of the outcome and the SEC championship
game they're in. I'm not one of those people who
feels that way, but we I don't think the committee
is going to ding them for playing in the conference championship.
Speaker 4 (36:56):
M That's who I'm looking at if if it were,
And I guess I'll this be my first time maybe
even saying anything publicly about you know, obviously, I think
what makes it complicated is that James Franklin is a
fine football coach and the fact that he's a fine
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football coach, and.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
You know it it ended the way that it did
with him.
Speaker 4 (37:23):
I think that that creates a level of a standard
or and I guess, listen, either way, you were going
to need to bring in somebody who you feel is
going to get you to that next level. I think
that's what I'm the point I'm trying to get at.
So and so that's I mean, that's the the great
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question here is I feel like that's.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
An unknown with Terry. But Terry has a lot of
assets and built a little bit of of kind of
goodwill with how he has finished out the season. So
there's that conversation. Is he the guy that can do it?
You know?
Speaker 4 (38:04):
I think that would remain to be seen, but I
know the players love them and there there's just much
like we were mentioning with day Ball. Uh, there's a
lot of Letterman and a lot of players that are
taking strong stances on wanting Terry Smith to get the
job as well, like O. J McDuffie, Mike Robinson, guys
like that.
Speaker 3 (38:24):
Go where you're going to say, John, sticks picks. That's
not what I'm saying. That's not a sticks pick though.
Speaker 4 (38:29):
So you're sitting there doing like you're you're motioning to
do a sticks pick, but that's not there's no stick.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
There's no sticks picks. Yeah, okay.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
One thing that's been reported out there too that is
uh an interesting note and again and this makes it
all you know, to me pretty fascinating, is was James
Franklin represented by Jimmy Sexton. I don't know all that, Okay, Well,
the reason why I bring that up and I don't
and I believe that's the case that uh, Jimmy Sexton
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was upset that Penn State moved on from James Franklin
the way that they did with it. So there's a
thought that the largest coaches agent, power broker for c AA,
Jimmy Sexton, you know, maybe holding it a little bit
against Patcraft and making this a much more difficult process.
And I think part of that process is going to
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be more difficult too when he has Kaitlyn de Wore,
for example, as a client. So some of the candidates
that we're talking about for the Penn State job are
candidates that are, you know, again with the same agent
that you just fired that coach with. So you just
dealt with that in that respect. Now you're you're that
university looking for other head coaching candidates, and Jimmy Sexton
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may be saying, yeah, I don't know, Caitlyn, maybe you're
better off where you're at, you know, maybe the grass
is in greener here.
Speaker 4 (39:54):
So there is there is that There's that possibility. Yeah,
I mean, there is that possibility, but.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
It's there's a relationship to between the agent and the
athletic director that could be strained. There are some reports
out there that are you know, hinting at some of that.
So again, a lot of drama going on in regards
to the college football world the hiring cycle, but it
doesn't feel like it's it's done yet. It feels like
once this Penn State Domino drops, There'll be more that
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come along with that. And again we're already seeing some
of the lower jobs like a I should say lower,
but a group of six jobs you know, Memphis, USF
a number of other you know, opportunities have opened up,
so those are smaller. But I think once this whole
thing gets figured out between Colonie Sataki and BYU and
Penn State, then we'll start to, you know, see what
other candidates are potentially out there.
Speaker 4 (40:46):
Are you Are you able to bet on who isn't
going to get the job?
Speaker 9 (40:51):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (40:51):
Yeah, actually you can. And by the way, as we
keep talking, the odds that have changed, Jeff Bram's a
forty six percent chance now is odds that continue to
go up. Uh, Colon Takias, he's pushed ahead of Brian Hartline,
but the talk is now a twenty five percent. So hm, all.
Speaker 5 (41:09):
Right, I mean I did do a little bit of research.
Speaker 4 (41:11):
When I get flagged if i've if I cast a bet,
like if I put a big bet out there and
and bet on you might not do.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
You want me to be with you?
Speaker 3 (41:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (41:22):
Okay. By the way, there's about three point almost three
point six million dollars that have been placed on this
specific topic on this site. That's pretty heavy volume.
Speaker 3 (41:32):
But my.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
I guess comment to that would be, you can go
ahead and place a bet because there's nothing you've provided
us that have lent us any direction whatsoever where this
thing's going.
Speaker 3 (41:45):
So I would be good with my bet.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
I think so, because I gotta be honest with you.
I don't know if you know what's going on or not,
Like you've led us to believe that you have no
idea what's.
Speaker 3 (41:52):
Happening there, don't.
Speaker 5 (41:55):
By that way, Bet, there's a there's a Crumble Cookies, uh,
four miles from Beaver Stadium in State College. So if
Sataki's like, you know what, why don't I just go
take the Mormon bake goods all the way over to
State College and just be a part of this whole process.
Here go coach up LeVar Arrington. The second. I mean,
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there's one right there nearby. So if Crumble really wants
to get their hands dirty and get involved, just keep
it local too.
Speaker 3 (42:23):
You know, it's interesting, I've had Crumble Cookies in State College.
So there you go. Yeah, there is a Crumbled.
Speaker 5 (42:31):
I didn't know that was a Mormon company. I'll be
honest with.
Speaker 3 (42:34):
You, I didn't know that either.
Speaker 2 (42:35):
I don't know about a Mormon company, but I have
to go started by a gentleman who who happens to
be Mormon.
Speaker 5 (42:41):
H I said, Mormon cousins started it.
Speaker 2 (42:44):
Jason McGowan, I believe it's the CEO. Yeah, I was
a big BYU Donable.
Speaker 4 (42:51):
It was funny too, referring was that going to exer
self control? It was going to be funny too. It
was funny, like I laughed about it on the inside
before I was about to say it, and then I
was like, yeah, Price didn't say it.
Speaker 3 (43:04):
I want to say it.
Speaker 5 (43:05):
LeVar, can you narrow down? If you can't say that,
I think Terry Smith.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
Well, let me put it this way. Who if you
were a betting guy, if you were going to put
who would you bet on right now? Because again, the
betting favorite Jeff Brahm has about a coin flip chance
right now of getting the head coaching job, and that
was not at any point in time that you have mentioned.
So again, I think you're safe to bet because I
don't feel like you have any clue what's going on
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there at Penn State.
Speaker 4 (43:32):
There you go that's that's a great that's a great conclusion.
That's a wonderful conclusion, and that's what we'll stick with.
So if I place a bet then and if my
bet happens to hit, then I'm okay.
Speaker 3 (43:47):
I'm in clear because I don't know anything. I really don't.
Speaker 2 (43:51):
Man, people are laying a bunch of bets. Is this you, Jonas?
Speaker 5 (43:54):
No?
Speaker 2 (43:54):
No, I'm just watching the volume of these bets go up.
Speaker 5 (43:58):
I would also encourage you guys, based on this past
week's results, to steer clear of betting in general.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
Oh that's a good point. By the way, Should I
give you an update on our spread? Really bad for me,
really bad for me. You weren't much better, and then
Jonas was just barely over over five hundred.
Speaker 5 (44:17):
But the best of the week.
Speaker 2 (44:20):
Right right, suck Good job, Jonas.
Speaker 3 (44:24):
Jonas was legitimate. Okay, I was one and four.
Speaker 2 (44:28):
I didn't put myself last there because LeVar gave you
a hard time last week and then LeVar you went
two and four. So for the season, Jonas is now
back to five hundred. God, it's been a lot of
work for you to get there, Jonas, good job, LeVar.
You were at forty one and forty seven, so you're
trending in the wrong direction. And then I'm that forty
nine and thirty one, so still in the lead by
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a decent manner.
Speaker 5 (44:56):
Whens, Whens, I don't.
Speaker 3 (44:57):
Even care about this.
Speaker 4 (44:59):
Just so we're clear on this, Like we're clear, you
can stand up, do your little victory dance.
Speaker 3 (45:04):
Little corn ball.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
Byways, not an eight. Not a great week. We did.
We did get one back closer to five hundred, but
we're two games back from five hundred with the conference
championship weekend ago. So we'll be unloading.
Speaker 5 (45:20):
The clip for conference championship weekend, that is for sure.
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So yeah, listen, maybe we'll get an answer. Maybe we'll
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get an answer on the the Penn State head coaching job.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
I did see a bunch of two dollars bets go through,
and that's that's Jonas's wheelhouse.
Speaker 3 (45:48):
Since that's.
Speaker 4 (45:51):
Big money, big money, I bet that much.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
I'll tell you what though, I mean the volumes increasing.
It's fun to watch this thing. This is, this is
a really fascinating sight.
Speaker 5 (46:01):
I mean listening, you guys have you guys have got influence.
I mean that people. People are listening, People are wanting
to get involved, you know, they want to. I want
to try and make some coin off this. So but
LaVar told us man Terry Smith's going to be the guy.
Speaker 3 (46:15):
So I did not say that, LaVar.
Speaker 2 (46:17):
You really haven't said anything like if you had to occur,
I had to say, who you think it's gonna be?
Who do you think it's gonna be?
Speaker 3 (46:22):
Right?
Speaker 4 (46:22):
This ain't Star Wars bro Like, you're not going to
Jedi mind trick me into saying something like I'm telling you, guys,
I don't know anything. That's That's what it is. I
don't know anything. I'm just waiting, just like everybody else
This is the best of two pros and a couple
Joe with Lamar airings, Rady Win and Jonas Knox on radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Here's the only thing I'll take away from that game.
Two things happen that are gonna be noteworthy. Everyone's going
to make a big deal about Jackson dark and absolutely
lit up on the sideline, which on him. And it's
shocking that he hasn't learned by now after all the
hits he's taken, why he would just think that he
could get an extra yard or so and no one's
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going to take a shot at him a legal hit.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
By the way.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
And then I have no idea what happened on the kick.
I just I've never seen that before in my life.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
And I don't get it, Like why did he stop? Well,
Like why did he just put his foot in the
ground Like it just seemed like it was a normal routine.
Why I don't understand why he stopped.
Speaker 5 (00:56):
Maybe that patch of turf was like three inches taller
than the other around it, and so he just tripped
up on it like a little speed bump in the turf.
Maybe that's what it was. Other than that doesn't make
any sense whatsoever.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
He just personally, I'm confused as to why Q didn't
a A three most memorable, which was the coach's decision
not to play abdual Carter were.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Going to do it.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
So I mean, I wait to see, Well, I don't I.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Do my job, you know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (01:28):
Like, I don't I don't do this like their pennstaters
or anything like that.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
I do my job, and I know that's three.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
Like I thought, it was interesting how the telecast danced
around the fact that it was Like when they came
out at halftime, the reporter asked the coach, you know,
why isn't he you know, why did you sit Abdul
for the first quarter? And it was a coach's decision,
Like okay, thank you coach, and you ended the interview.
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It's not even like you asked another question. So it
made that reporter feel so awkward that he would just say, oh,
it's just a football a coach's decision, Like you can't
elaborate on that, Like you do know that this is
Monday night football. You do know you're an interim head coach.
You do know that this is the New York Giants.
You do know this is the New York Giants versus
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the Patriots. How do you not press the question? So
it almost seems as though it was almost like a
like even when Joe and Troy touched on it, it
was more or less a Okay, it's a coach's decision
and no context, no color to it. Generally speaking, you're
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going to give a little context, a little color to
why a player isn't playing in the game, especially when
you list them as a starter on on the telecast.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
You want to do you want to hear Mike Kafka afterwards, absolutely,
interim head coach, here was him, hopefully answering the question
that everybody wants to know why Abdul Carter was benched
for the start of that game.
Speaker 6 (03:04):
You know, I talked with that duel about this week
and decided to not play them for the first two series.
This was just strictly my decision to not play him
this week early in the game, early in the game,
and he listened. When he came back in the game,
you saw the kind of impact he had and the
player that this guy is, and I this is a
this is a kid that I again I back. I
support this kill highly and for any young player that
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we have on the roster, whether it's a duel or
any rookie or young player, We're gonna make sure we
take them under our wing and continue to develop these
guys because they're poor in us. They're important to me
and them duels no different, just like Jackson, just like
you know, young players like Tracy and da all these
guys are that are stepping up in big time, major roles.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
You know, these are the guys that.
Speaker 6 (03:46):
We're continuing to develop, continuing to grow, continue to be pros.
And you know, the standards that we have in our
program are super our sky high and everyone's gonna upheld
to them. But that was my decision, my decision only.
Anything else else outside of it, it's gonna be kept
in house.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
I mean, speak to the last part of what you said.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
You know, Shody danced around it with with lamb and pickings.
Why do co if you're going to make a disciplinary
hold on decision?
Speaker 2 (04:17):
What well? I mean, as far as what's been alleged
of what happened, I don't know if we're going to
kill into that.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Do he? It doesn't matter. We can't go into what's
alleged in the mud.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
Get a snorl Why are you not going But why
are you not going to talk about it? If that's
what you're going to do, you know you're going to
be asked about it. Like even that explanation that he
just gave, he gave no context until the end. He says, Okay,
there's a standard. It's a very high standard, and everybody's
going to be held to it.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
What exactly are you talking about?
Speaker 4 (04:54):
Like, you don't have to go into the gory gory
details of anything, but you can give some Okay, he
did X, Like go ahead, Q.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
What is it alleged that he X?
Speaker 4 (05:07):
What he did that would lead to him not living
up to this standard of what being a New York
Giant is supposed to be.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
That's what I want to know.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Let's do this. Do we have the sound of Abdull Carter?
Do we have it? Jonas?
Speaker 5 (05:21):
No, we don't have Abdual card I think we do.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
We're just working on it.
Speaker 7 (05:24):
That's efforting, efforting, efforting now, So it's not a great explanation,
But I do think that we have to be have
some integrity here and make sure that we hear from
not just a coach but also the player.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
I'm going to be fair to all parties here.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Correct, before we started throwing around some allegations that you
know aren't very flattering.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
They're not flattering.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Again, sure, Lorne, I think there's a clip of it.
You can just hear the beginning part. So well, it's
ready if you want it, all right, let's do it justified.
Speaker 8 (06:05):
Yeah, I mean I let my team down the first
two jobs.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
I was out the excore seventeen points.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
I'll take that. I take responsibility for that. I gotta
be out there.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
I gotta do better.
Speaker 5 (06:16):
I mean, sounds responsible to me.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
You know, yea sounds doesn't really want to say what
exactly happened. But now more your this is more your
real house. Justas well.
Speaker 5 (06:28):
I'm just a fair and bounce reporter, So I mean
there now. Jordan Renan, who covers the Giants for ESPN,
he said that Abdul Carter this came out a short
time ago that Abdul Carter was benched for the first
quarter of the game because of tardiness. It was the
second time in three games that the rookie linebacker was disciplined.
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So this just standard tardiness.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
It happened that that's all you're going with.
Speaker 5 (06:55):
It's all so there's that. Then there was a report
that came out earlier on from Wesley Steinberg, who I'm
almost positive this is a fake account.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
I was about to say, who is he?
Speaker 5 (07:07):
I don't know. I'm not sure so this was this
was but yeah, well, I mean listen, here's here's the
report from Wesley Steinberg. The Giants defense Van Abdul Carter
will miss the first drive tonight for disciplinary reasons after
getting caught watching porn in a team meeting when his
headphones disconnected.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
Now, what do you mean? What is headphones disconnected? What
does that mean?
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Listened?
Speaker 5 (07:33):
He had his headphones in and he was watching, you know, something.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
On but didn't know that he had his headphones disconnected.
So the sound he popped out was going out through
the meeting.
Speaker 5 (07:43):
Yeah, they popped out.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Yeah, which, you know, I gotta be honest with you,
I'm not sure that's the first time that's probably ever
happened in a team meeting, you know, or that a
guy had that happened before.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Well, so definitely is not unique. Yeah, and that's not
on me.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
I'm just saying that's not There are some really, really
nasty dudes that be in locker rooms.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
That's right, and I would say it's more on the
defensive side of the ball than offensive.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
We got.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
The names that popped into my head immediately were receivers.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
I'm sorry, receiver. Receivers are the biggest freaks in locker rooms. Man,
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
I'm thinking about a few defensive players in the back of.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
My head right now, and that I'm like, yeah, okay,
I'm thinking of a few. And that was before you
had internet traveling, you know, stuff like that. Like, I'm
talking dudes at many DVD movie TV players.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
What about porn?
Speaker 5 (08:39):
What about tight ends that may or may not be
behind bars currently?
Speaker 4 (08:42):
Yeah, I mean that's next level. Yeah, that's next level freak.
But that's a that's an offensive player. I mean, you home,
get it done.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
This is an interesting conversation. In the actual game itself, you're.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Running out their homeless shorties. Man, come on, bro, good dude.
Speaker 5 (09:01):
Us really repped your engine on that shopping cart.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
In the cart, come on, ben, dude was riding his
bicycle like on the move, a John on the move, man,
Come on, man, you could do better than that. But
that's a But listen, people be allowing dudes to get
away with stuff like, Okay, if you felt like this
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is a high standard and whatever it is that he did,
let's just say whatever it is that he did, if
it if it required you to feel like you were
going to discipline him by holding him out for a
series or two or the first quarter, that's really no
standard building to me. That's not that's not a significant
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movement of we're disciplining you. We're helping you to understand
that this thing is which, by the way, at the
pro level, like what do you mean You're like you
don't need a father figure?
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Sorry, I mean if if somebody becomes a father figure
to you at the league level, like that's that's interesting
at some point, grow the f up?
Speaker 5 (10:14):
Is that a George Michael song? Father figure?
Speaker 3 (10:18):
It is? I don't know, is it?
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Which appropriate?
Speaker 4 (10:20):
It wouldn't have been the intro song that we listened
to to the show. I'll say that that wasn't George
Michaels and that wasn't father.
Speaker 5 (10:26):
I mean, And by the way, if the story is true,
he was just watching it, you know. I mean, it's
not like we don't know.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
We don't know that because nobody's really putting it out there.
I mean, he put it out there. If that if
that's true.
Speaker 5 (10:41):
Now, does this impact his standing within Styck City or
does it give new meaning to that term.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
I don't know what's true or what's not true, and
and and me and I do don't communicate, So I
don't you know, I don't know what he's got going on,
you know, I I don't know if he's okay. I
don't you know, I don't know what he's got going on.
So I hope he's okay. I hope he's being responsible.
I hope that that report is not true. I can say,
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at the least, at the minimum, it sounds as though
the tardiness is true. And I would say he knows
better than that. Like most athletes that have to make
it through a successful campaign at the college level, you know,
one of the main things that you have to always
do and be is on time. That's just not it's
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a non negotiable. And I don't know if times are changing,
because I'm hearing more and more about how guys are
a little bit dismissive towards being on time. But from
what I can gather, you know, that's still a standard,
that's a very very respected standard. It's a very very
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supported and and you know it's a standard where there
can be repercussions and consequences for not being on time.
You know, clocks were set ten minutes behind. Ten minutes
behind was on time. So fifteen minutes fifteen minutes early,
you're actually early ten minutes. And it was like that
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with coach Kaflin in New York as well. He had
the clock set ten minutes earlier. So one thing that
I'm never in life at this point is late. Like
to this day, I'm just never late. I'll either beat
my alarm up or I'll do I'll do four or five,
you know, snooze alarms, whatever it may be. But late,
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it's just not a part of what I do on
a daily basis. And I don't know where these new
school cats, you know, are getting that from.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
You're just okay to be late.
Speaker 5 (12:53):
Do you think not that it's an part of it?
Is they recognize, look, we already at our coach, our
defensive coordinator got clipped. They're just trying to get through
this year.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
But that that's a horrible show character. If that's the case,
that's because it's more about you. It's more about your
body of work. It's more about your reputation than it
is about there being a substitute teacher in the classroom.
Even though I was probably the worst behave people when
there was substitutes growing up, you were I was. I
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was like substitute. Yes, crumble up a piece of paper.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
I could see you getting after it.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
I hit the nerd.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
Now, I hit the nerd closest to me upside the
head with that balled up piece of paper.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Damn would you be doing what was alleged? You know?
Speaker 4 (13:44):
As far as though I was in grade school, Q,
I was in grade school when this was going on.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Yeah, high school. I didn't care. High school. I didn't
care the main teacher over there.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Maybe it was good housekeeping or you know, pres secrets
back then.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Unless sure, on man, you mean Playboy or Penthouse or something.
I don't know that. Yeah, I don't know about that.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
The Penhouse always felt was better because it was more
graphic than Playboy.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
Yeah, play was tasteful if you.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Could you could read alongside.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
Of Yeah you could, you could. And they became celebrities
or were celebrities like this was locker room talk. Yeah,
well there you go, there you go.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Well, stupid, we're just trying to get to the bottom
of what happened here.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
I don't know, but I wonder what were their subtitles?
What what he was alleged looking at. I mean, since
we're getting into stories in Playboy, where their subtitles?
Speaker 3 (14:49):
You know? Was it in English? You know? I don't know.
Speaker 5 (14:51):
Now did he use your browser's password or does he
have his own?
Speaker 4 (14:56):
I don't know what that is and I do not
have a password to it.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
What is that?
Speaker 5 (15:03):
I don't know?
Speaker 3 (15:04):
Spell it.
Speaker 5 (15:07):
And give you yours?
Speaker 3 (15:09):
Spell it, give you yours.
Speaker 8 (15:12):
That when this subject took a turn, well, I just
you know, I want to throw a possibility out there.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
Uh oh uh oh.
Speaker 8 (15:19):
Look, these days, it's very easy to be on your
your x feed, right, and you're not even necessarily looking,
and some sometimes stuff just pops up on your x
feed and you know, you don't have headphones in, and
then the audio just starts playing automatically, and you're like, oh, geez.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
Hey, that's a good one. That's a good one, coop.
Speaker 5 (15:40):
Yeah, but isn't that based on algorithm? Not necessarily, they
kind of know what you're peeking, peeking around at, and
they go, you know, I mean maybe you'll like this too.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
Not necessarily, because what what will happen is they'll actually
put it in a post that's a normal post. You'll
see those those like schmutty things that that Coop throughout there,
you'll see them in regular post like as like paid
advertisement type deals like placement, product placement, whatever. I don't know,
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I know a geo fences, but that doesn't I don't
think it's based off of if you're searching that. I
think it's based off of like age, sex, you know,
stuff like that. You know, like, I mean, I guess
you would say what in twenty twenty five. I mean
I'm talking like male female male versus female.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
I mean, what are you talking about right now?
Speaker 3 (16:35):
Did you hear what Coop just said?
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Damn yes? But like, how what does that do with
geo fencing.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
Because you're you're advertising to a certain demographic of people,
so they they clearly whoever whatever porn Coop was seeing
on his ex was clearly him being geo fenced. Like
they're they're they're advertising the Coop, they want Coop, and.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
It clearly went.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
I was just throwing out hypotheticals.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
I don't know what that you put yourself in the game.
You gotta play. You put yourself in, coach, put me in.
You in the game.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Bruh, Well, I want to give you a chance to
offend yourself, Coop. What is he talking about?
Speaker 8 (17:24):
I think I think it's he's just saying correctly that
you don't necessarily have to seek it out in order
for it to show up in your algorithm.
Speaker 5 (17:33):
Give an example, what were you looking for and what
popped up instead?
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Now you're scrolling?
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Yeah, exactly, exactly exactly.
Speaker 8 (17:41):
So if I if I click on a picture of
Sidney Sweeney, then all of a sudden, I might scroll
a couple more, you know, a page down, and then
all of a sudden there's.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
Like yeah, but it doesn't say that it's just somebody
getting it handed to him, Like, it's just it's just.
Speaker 5 (17:58):
There and what's there?
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Yeah? Cuoe, what was it? What you got busted for?
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Dude?
Speaker 2 (18:03):
I didn't get busted for anything.
Speaker 5 (18:05):
This is a fairly hypothetical thing.
Speaker 8 (18:07):
I'm talking about what maybe happen to Abduall Carter out frame.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Hey Emmers, all right.
Speaker 5 (18:16):
Well listen, that'll wrap up our coverage of Patriots giants doing.
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By the way, the Patriots are a pretty good team,
even though I can't take too much away from them
playing against the Giants, but they're pretty.
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Speaker 5 (19:16):
Hey, should we get into the uh, the debacle that
is the Las Vegas Raiders and the the Chip Kelly
throwing under the bus conversation we were having. We talked
about this a little bit on Friday, LaVar and I Brady,
but you actually set the story over about Chip Kelly
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in Las Vegas gets fired as offensive coordinator and then
a report comes out from Tom Pellisero that says, well,
you know, he was calling the wrong plays and he
was you know, had the formations wrong, and just all
of this detail that comes out after the guy is gone,
and it's like, wait, what, we're just gonna, like, we're
(19:57):
gonna go in that in depth to throw a guy
under the bus staffter he's out out of the building.
It's just been a real back and forth apparently, and
Chip Kelly trying to get his side. It just the
whole thing's a mess, and I think it's an indicator
of what a mess that place is under Pete Carroll.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Yeah, under Peter Carroll. But also you have to think
of ownership too, right, I mean this is Pete Carroll's
first year. Mark Davis, with the help of some others,
you know, selected Pete Carroll to be a part of
this and really build this team back up. And I
think everyone knew it was going to be a slow build,
that it wasn't like they could turn things around right away.
(20:36):
But Pete's also getting up there in age. But I
think one of the things you have to like pay
attention to in all of this is who's on that
staff and why they would put so much blame on
the Raiders offense, which, mind you, has been poorshe there's
no doubt about it. They've been poor, but they also
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don't have much talent. Their best player is Brought Bowers,
who was hurt for a good portion of the season.
They were lying heavily on a rookie running back in
Ashton Genty. They don't really have any threats or anyone
on the outside of wide receiver that scare you. And
Pete Carroll handpicked Geno Smith to come in here knowing
all of this to be growing pains in a division
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that basically every single team is five hundred or better.
So it was always going to be a rough year,
a uphill battle. What's interesting about the play calling conversation
and just to take you behind the scenes, and I'm
sure LeVar knows this too, and he because he's probably
looking at the defense the same way. When you have
a play caller, he's reading off of a laminated game plan.
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And I can't tell you how many hours go into
scripting out that game plan. And the reason why there's
always a paper laminated version of this is because there's
a number associated with every single play you're going to
run in a game, and there's a number of fotiated
with every single play, like flip one four all right,
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every single play is in a right handed formation, so
you know, gun trips right, sixty four, special eight sneak.
If you said flip one twenty four, if that was
that play, you'd flip itto, gun trips left, sixty five,
all evens go to odds, rights to left, et cetera.
You know sixty five specially h sneak. So that's how
it's scripted out. There is no way, no way, for
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as long as Chip Kelly has been calling plays, running
teams being a part of it, that he would call
a play that wasn't called the correct way. All these
game plans that's right there in front of them on paper.
It'd be really, really, really hard to do that. Now,
you may make some adjustments on the sidelines. There might
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be times when they say, hey, they're giving us this. Look,
we didn't expect this. Remember what we did three weeks ago.
We're gonna do this, and you end up calling the
player putting the play together like that. That could happen,
but usually that's coming from the play caller, so he's
not going to mess up the call. So this entire
point report for coming from Tom Pelsero, and I know
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it comes from an agent because that's always how it works.
Most of those guys just get their information from an agent.
Is I mean, it's hard to believe it's factual. You know,
are there going to be times where something wasn't tagged
the right way or something else potentially, or maybe there's
some confusion too, depending on the process of how they
go about calling plays. But to sit there and throw
(23:36):
it on Ship Kelly, it feels like there's something else
at play here. And if I was to tell you
LeVar that Nate Carroll and Brennan Carroll, who are Pete
Carroll's sons, are both on that offensive staff O line
run game coordinator, wouldn't that concern you a little bit
once you think, like, Okay, he was maybe trying to
(23:56):
preserve his sons and put the blame on Ship Kelly,
when in reality this past week that offense looked no different.
It looked like the same damn offensive looked like all year,
and the same offense that Pete Carroll brought from Seattle
back during his time there as head coach. It didn't
look anything like what we saw from chip Kelly out
Ohio State last year or anything that I've seen with
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chip Kelly's offense in the past. So they can point
the blame all the one at chip Kelly, But the
reality is this felt more like they were trying to
protect their family and what this offense looks like in Las.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
Vegas, oh because they're a family ain't done winning.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
Yeat Listen, it's a It's an interesting theory, I'll say that.
And nepotism is one hundred percent a very real deal,
and so is self preservation. And when you're in the
power rankings at number thirty one out of thirty two,
there have to be some consequences. And here's the thing
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I would say in this scenari hold the ship, hold
the line, and continue to build and see where you
can get to in year two and year three. But
because of the precedents that has been set by what
they've done in years past, a La Antonio Pierce, you
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didn't give that same grace to him last season. And
if I'm Pete Carroll, you probably came in and did
your interview and said.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Look at this roster.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
Give me this roster along with my coaching staff that
I will assemble. Here's the list of guys, and we're
going to win next year. Oh that's right, we're gonna
get it done. And you know what, that's probably what
one of the selling points was for Pete Carroll to
get this job. So for them to be as poor
(25:57):
as they are. Two wins, two wins, and your offense stinks,
and your defense stinks, and your team stinks, which means
you're coaching stinks. You can try to pinpoint one person
if you like, You can make it about hey, it
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was the offensive coordinator's fault. Hey, it was the defensive
coordinator's fault. The preservation here, I don't even think it's
for his kids, it's for him. It's for Pete Carroll himself,
an aging coach that came back out of after losing
his job in Seattle, where he had full control. They said,
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he didn't answer to nobody.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
The owner left him to do what he wanted to do.
You step into this situation here and you can't do
any better than two wins, and you're looking at a
guy that took a team that was in pretty pretty
bad shape in some regards in New England, and he
turns it around in one year.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
You see a guy go into Chicago and he's turning
around the team in one year.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
Like you see a guy.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
Go into these situations and they're able to do this.
But Pete Carroll is over here and he has had
horrible results. I think it's not only self preservation over
his kids that are on the offensive side of the ball,
but it is it more specifically, in my estimation, it's
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over him because at this point it's over Johnny.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
If he loses his job based off of this, it's over.
You can forget about it. Say that because it's old,
crusty ass. They're gonna retire him to a retirement home.
They ain't taking him nowhere but to that that.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
Little house where you get three four naps a day,
you get three hots.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
And and and you play board games.
Speaker 5 (28:08):
Let me ask you this. There you go, let me
ask you this. Who's done a better job, Pete Carroll
or Bill Belichick.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
It's a funny question.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
Well, I'm gonna say Bill Belichick because he gets he
gets happy action, fun time off the field.
Speaker 5 (28:29):
That's correct.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
What does it get LeVar?
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Happy action, fun time?
Speaker 2 (28:37):
What's wrong with you?
Speaker 5 (28:39):
That is correct?
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Happy action? Fun time.
Speaker 5 (28:46):
The Raiders are unwatchable bad, like really really bad. And
and this this whole concept that's my favorite part. When
bad teams make coaching decision or coaching moves, like what
do you really think is going to happen? It's rare
that a team makes a coaching move and the team
all of a sudden, you know, goes on a heater.
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They did a little bit with Antonio Peers, the Raiders did.
They did a little bit with rich Bassacia. But if
you go back to when Urban Meyer was fired by
the Jaguars, they still sucked. When eber Flus was fired
by the Bears, they still sucked. The Giants move on
from Brian day Ball, they still suck. So this idea
that one guy, specifically a coordinator, is the reason to
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blame for why you're bad. When the offensive lines had issues,
Bowers has been banged up, as we've talked about, and
Gino Smith just hasn't played well. To me, it's just
a bad look. It's a rap move, it feels like,
and it feels like people there are just doing whatever
they can and not be accountable for their poor profile.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
And by the way, the Seattle Seahawks, how good are
they this year?
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Yeah? Balling?
Speaker 4 (29:57):
How are they doing? Where are they at post Pete Carroll?
So let's not act as though. Let's not act as
though the Pete Carroll effect, which in the past has
been real, it's a real effect, it's a real impact.
What he brings to the table is very real. But
where we're at today it's not. It's a very real
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miss and they got to live with that. You brought
Geno Smith in as the franchise guy because you trusted
Pete Carroll. That move and not move alone Mike should
constitute the idea of possibly saying, you know what, maybe
he's to the point now where he's not fit to
be a head coach in the National Football League because
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you damn sure had ap doing it with two backups
last year. I didn't think he the choice he wanted
was in the draft, and they did not make the
move to try to get the two players that he
was trying to bring in to start the rebuild of
this team. Until you start the rebuild from the bottom up,
foundational pieces, this team is going to continue to struggle
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and it's going to continue to get the same results.
And if you have a head coach making the decisions
like bringing in this guy thinking that he's going to
be the starter that changes the you know, the fortunes
of this franchise.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
Then if you're.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
Judging all things given, all things, even if you're judging evenly,
then Pete Carroll should be on the scrap heap on
Black or Black Monday as well.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
Right, and just being real.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
All I know is Chip Kelly will end up making
one point six four million dollars per game that he
was the coordinator for in Las Vegas. He had signed
a three year, eighteen million dollars deal. That's six million teer.
You can obviously, oh yeah, and you can obviously see why.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
Let's coach q D.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
He left Ohio State he got.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
Ain't paying us enough. Man, come on, let's go coach.
We'll leave Joe this here. Jonas wants to coach. Jonas
wants to do Radio Boy himself. Anyway, come on, let's
go coach man.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
That's kind of true.
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Speaker 2 (32:17):
As of this moment, right, now pretty fantastic. No, it's incredible.
You can bet on anything. It's like future odds on everything.
Uh Kalani Sataki has a sixteen percent chance according to
this live betting market. Brian Hartline now is at eighteen percent.
But it's Jeff Brom, the current head coach at Louisville,
(32:39):
who actually is the odds on favorite to be the
next head coach that we are Penn State. And I
gotta tell you who's the odds on favorite, Jeff Brom. Okay,
And I gotta tell you I would love it if
that was the higher for Penn State. I think this
is one of the more underrated coaches in college football.
(33:02):
I think he's maximized a lot of what he's had
wherever he's been going, from his time at you know,
Purdue and now obviously at at Louisville. I think if
he goes to Penn State, he can recruit, he can coach,
and he'll find quarterbacks. Like I just I would love
that for him and for Penn State. I think it'd
(33:22):
be a really really good job there, and then there's
a domino effect there. You know, you'd be looking at
the potential now of you know what happens with Brian Harline.
Does he look at Louisville, does he look at potentially Kentucky,
which he's rumored to be interviewing for so a lot
of things up in there right now. But again, nowhere
else in the world can you find the Church of
(33:44):
Latter Day Saints teaming up with Crumble Cookies to try
to find a way of keeping their head Coach.
Speaker 5 (33:48):
I mean, like, who do you got in that one
Church of Latter Day Saints and Crumble Cookies or you know,
Penn State and Primanny.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
The Pagoula family. I don't know. It's it's it's pretty wild.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
He is not the same as Pagoula. It's two different families.
But yeah, but go ahead. You know one is in Buffalo,
and I mean it's your alma mater, bro.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
You tell me, because I find all this stuff fascinating.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
Is it is fascinating. It's fascinating listening, lebar, what are
you hearing? I'm not hearing anything.
Speaker 5 (34:20):
Why can't you can we just give us some intel,
like something? Can you throw us a bone, like throw something?
Speaker 4 (34:27):
I'm just I'm just curious. So the the percentages that
are being thrown out there none of them included Terry
Smith on there none of I didn't hear you say
Kaylin de boor either, like.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
I didn't say killing the boor, I didn't say Brian Dable.
I know there's a lot of former players pushing for
Brian Dable behind the scenes. Supposedly he interviewed very well,
which he does interview.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
They work up Bobby.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
You didn't bring up Bobby Ingram, Like there's there's a
couple of guys that are interviewing that are well.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
I'm sure a It sounds like there's been a wide
net that's been casting, so I don't doubt that, but
I'm not sure how many have a legitimate shot.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
So okay, it's interesting.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
I mean, I think I'm much like why nobody else
with vested interest. We're just waiting to see what happens.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
That's all.
Speaker 5 (35:22):
No offense. But why would kaln Debor leave Alabama for?
Speaker 4 (35:25):
Why would you say no, no offense? If he were
to leave, it would be the same reason. Why why
the you know Lane Kiffin left the old.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Miss No, it would be different reason.
Speaker 4 (35:39):
Well, what would be the different reason? It's the bottom
line to me, that's it. That's always the same reason
to tell you. If I'm getting more money, then I'm
going like, that's hey. I if ESPN came to me
and said we're gonna give you X amount of more
than what you're making that Fox, I'd be like ce Jonas,
I love y'all heading over to Yes, I'm gonna catch you.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
I'm gonna check y'all trust I like that.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
But I also think there's other things that play into
to that. If the money's equal to that, you know,
maybe someone's not happy with with where they're at and
how that's all going, because.
Speaker 4 (36:14):
People do want them out of there at Alabama, right,
That's what I well.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
There's people who aren't necessarily happy with how things have gone,
which it was always gonna be tough to fill the
shoes of the greatest college football head coach of all time,
you know, so that was gonna be a tough task regardless.
But I do think that they're you know, if your
family's unhappy or you're not liking where you're at, how
things are going. Even though you'd have to say he's
(36:39):
done a pretty decent job, there will be a most
likely a playoff team this year. I mean, most people
think that regardless of the outcome and the SEC championship
game they're in. I'm not one of those people who
feels that way, but we I don't think the committee
is going to ding them for playing in the conference championship.
Speaker 4 (36:56):
M That's who I'm looking at if if it were,
And I guess I'll this be my first time maybe
even saying anything publicly about you know, obviously, I think
what makes it complicated is that James Franklin is a
fine football coach and the fact that he's a fine
(37:18):
football coach, and.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
You know it it ended the way that it did
with him.
Speaker 4 (37:23):
I think that that creates a level of a standard
or and I guess, listen, either way, you were going
to need to bring in somebody who you feel is
going to get you to that next level. I think
that's what I'm the point I'm trying to get at.
So and so that's I mean, that's the the great
(37:45):
question here is I feel like that's.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
An unknown with Terry. But Terry has a lot of
assets and built a little bit of of kind of
goodwill with how he has finished out the season. So
there's that conversation. Is he the guy that can do it?
You know?
Speaker 4 (38:04):
I think that would remain to be seen, but I
know the players love them and there there's just much
like we were mentioning with day Ball. Uh, there's a
lot of Letterman and a lot of players that are
taking strong stances on wanting Terry Smith to get the
job as well, like O. J McDuffie, Mike Robinson, guys
like that.
Speaker 3 (38:24):
Go where you're going to say, John, sticks picks. That's
not what I'm saying. That's not a sticks pick though.
Speaker 4 (38:29):
So you're sitting there doing like you're you're motioning to
do a sticks pick, but that's not there's no stick.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
There's no sticks picks. Yeah, okay.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
One thing that's been reported out there too that is
uh an interesting note and again and this makes it
all you know, to me pretty fascinating, is was James
Franklin represented by Jimmy Sexton. I don't know all that, Okay, Well,
the reason why I bring that up and I don't
and I believe that's the case that uh, Jimmy Sexton
(39:06):
was upset that Penn State moved on from James Franklin
the way that they did with it. So there's a
thought that the largest coaches agent, power broker for c AA,
Jimmy Sexton, you know, maybe holding it a little bit
against Patcraft and making this a much more difficult process.
And I think part of that process is going to
(39:27):
be more difficult too when he has Kaitlyn de Wore,
for example, as a client. So some of the candidates
that we're talking about for the Penn State job are
candidates that are, you know, again with the same agent
that you just fired that coach with. So you just
dealt with that in that respect. Now you're you're that
university looking for other head coaching candidates, and Jimmy Sexton
(39:49):
may be saying, yeah, I don't know, Caitlyn, maybe you're
better off where you're at, you know, maybe the grass
is in greener here.
Speaker 4 (39:54):
So there is there is that There's that possibility. Yeah,
I mean, there is that possibility, but.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
It's there's a relationship to between the agent and the
athletic director that could be strained. There are some reports
out there that are you know, hinting at some of that.
So again, a lot of drama going on in regards
to the college football world the hiring cycle, but it
doesn't feel like it's it's done yet. It feels like
once this Penn State Domino drops, There'll be more that
(40:22):
come along with that. And again we're already seeing some
of the lower jobs like a I should say lower,
but a group of six jobs you know, Memphis, USF
a number of other you know, opportunities have opened up,
so those are smaller. But I think once this whole
thing gets figured out between Colonie Sataki and BYU and
Penn State, then we'll start to, you know, see what
other candidates are potentially out there.
Speaker 4 (40:46):
Are you Are you able to bet on who isn't
going to get the job?
Speaker 9 (40:51):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (40:51):
Yeah, actually you can. And by the way, as we
keep talking, the odds that have changed, Jeff Bram's a
forty six percent chance now is odds that continue to
go up. Uh, Colon Takias, he's pushed ahead of Brian Hartline,
but the talk is now a twenty five percent. So hm, all.
Speaker 5 (41:09):
Right, I mean I did do a little bit of research.
Speaker 4 (41:11):
When I get flagged if i've if I cast a bet,
like if I put a big bet out there and
and bet on you might not do.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
You want me to be with you?
Speaker 3 (41:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (41:22):
Okay. By the way, there's about three point almost three
point six million dollars that have been placed on this
specific topic on this site. That's pretty heavy volume.
Speaker 3 (41:32):
But my.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
I guess comment to that would be, you can go
ahead and place a bet because there's nothing you've provided
us that have lent us any direction whatsoever where this
thing's going.
Speaker 3 (41:45):
So I would be good with my bet.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
I think so, because I gotta be honest with you.
I don't know if you know what's going on or not,
Like you've led us to believe that you have no
idea what's.
Speaker 3 (41:52):
Happening there, don't.
Speaker 5 (41:55):
By that way, Bet, there's a there's a Crumble Cookies, uh,
four miles from Beaver Stadium in State College. So if
Sataki's like, you know what, why don't I just go
take the Mormon bake goods all the way over to
State College and just be a part of this whole process.
Here go coach up LeVar Arrington. The second. I mean,
(42:16):
there's one right there nearby. So if Crumble really wants
to get their hands dirty and get involved, just keep
it local too.
Speaker 3 (42:23):
You know, it's interesting, I've had Crumble Cookies in State College.
So there you go. Yeah, there is a Crumbled.
Speaker 5 (42:31):
I didn't know that was a Mormon company. I'll be
honest with.
Speaker 3 (42:34):
You, I didn't know that either.
Speaker 2 (42:35):
I don't know about a Mormon company, but I have
to go started by a gentleman who who happens to
be Mormon.
Speaker 5 (42:41):
H I said, Mormon cousins started it.
Speaker 2 (42:44):
Jason McGowan, I believe it's the CEO. Yeah, I was
a big BYU Donable.
Speaker 4 (42:51):
It was funny too, referring was that going to exer
self control? It was going to be funny too. It
was funny, like I laughed about it on the inside
before I was about to say it, and then I
was like, yeah, Price didn't say it.
Speaker 3 (43:04):
I want to say it.
Speaker 5 (43:05):
LeVar, can you narrow down? If you can't say that,
I think Terry Smith.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
Well, let me put it this way. Who if you
were a betting guy, if you were going to put
who would you bet on right now? Because again, the
betting favorite Jeff Brahm has about a coin flip chance
right now of getting the head coaching job, and that
was not at any point in time that you have mentioned.
So again, I think you're safe to bet because I
don't feel like you have any clue what's going on
(43:31):
there at Penn State.
Speaker 4 (43:32):
There you go that's that's a great that's a great conclusion.
That's a wonderful conclusion, and that's what we'll stick with.
So if I place a bet then and if my
bet happens to hit, then I'm okay.
Speaker 3 (43:47):
I'm in clear because I don't know anything. I really don't.
Speaker 2 (43:51):
Man, people are laying a bunch of bets. Is this you, Jonas?
Speaker 5 (43:54):
No?
Speaker 2 (43:54):
No, I'm just watching the volume of these bets go up.
Speaker 5 (43:58):
I would also encourage you guys, based on this past
week's results, to steer clear of betting in general.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
Oh that's a good point. By the way, Should I
give you an update on our spread? Really bad for me,
really bad for me. You weren't much better, and then
Jonas was just barely over over five hundred.
Speaker 5 (44:17):
But the best of the week.
Speaker 2 (44:20):
Right right, suck Good job, Jonas.
Speaker 3 (44:24):
Jonas was legitimate. Okay, I was one and four.
Speaker 2 (44:28):
I didn't put myself last there because LeVar gave you
a hard time last week and then LeVar you went
two and four. So for the season, Jonas is now
back to five hundred. God, it's been a lot of
work for you to get there, Jonas, good job, LeVar.
You were at forty one and forty seven, so you're
trending in the wrong direction. And then I'm that forty
nine and thirty one, so still in the lead by
(44:52):
a decent manner.
Speaker 5 (44:56):
Whens, Whens, I don't.
Speaker 3 (44:57):
Even care about this.
Speaker 4 (44:59):
Just so we're clear on this, Like we're clear, you
can stand up, do your little victory dance.
Speaker 3 (45:04):
Little corn ball.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
Byways, not an eight. Not a great week. We did.
We did get one back closer to five hundred, but
we're two games back from five hundred with the conference
championship weekend ago. So we'll be unloading.
Speaker 5 (45:20):
The clip for conference championship weekend, that is for sure.
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So yeah, listen, maybe we'll get an answer. Maybe we'll
(45:40):
get an answer on the the Penn State head coaching job.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
I did see a bunch of two dollars bets go through,
and that's that's Jonas's wheelhouse.
Speaker 3 (45:48):
Since that's.
Speaker 4 (45:51):
Big money, big money, I bet that much.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
I'll tell you what though, I mean the volumes increasing.
It's fun to watch this thing. This is, this is
a really fascinating sight.
Speaker 5 (46:01):
I mean listening, you guys have you guys have got influence.
I mean that people. People are listening, People are wanting
to get involved, you know, they want to. I want
to try and make some coin off this. So but
LaVar told us man Terry Smith's going to be the guy.
Speaker 3 (46:15):
So I did not say that, LaVar.
Speaker 2 (46:17):
You really haven't said anything like if you had to occur,
I had to say, who you think it's gonna be?
Who do you think it's gonna be?
Speaker 3 (46:22):
Right?
Speaker 4 (46:22):
This ain't Star Wars bro Like, you're not going to
Jedi mind trick me into saying something like I'm telling you, guys,
I don't know anything. That's That's what it is. I
don't know anything. I'm just waiting, just like everybody else
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