December 8, 2025 • 46 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, the guys talk about the shortcomings of the College Football Playoff committee as the field is set and Notre Dame isn't included, Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs getting beat by the Texans on SNF, Pete Prisco joining the show, and more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the best of two pros and a couple
Joe with Lamar Airings, Winn and Jonas Knox on radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
And a good morning, good morning. Oh he sounds happy.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
I mean you're okay, figure out what do you mean?
Speaker 2 (00:20):
A year ago?
Speaker 3 (00:21):
A year ago, we were destined to see each other
before the National Championship game in a in a in
a matchup between two blue blood schools, and look at
where we are now in the same exact play. You
know how disappointed I was that y'all didn't make it.
(00:41):
Then after I accepted the fact that y'all didn't make it,
how happy I was that I would get to throw
this in your face.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Yeah, I'm joking. I'm joking.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (00:49):
I mean the difference is you've got a new coach
and we'll see what happens from there.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Well, we did get a new coach, but you know,
we were definitely not in a position to have which By.
Speaker 5 (00:58):
The way, it's interesting that you trying to distract off
of what you said Friday distract made its waves.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Yeah, well you mean distract.
Speaker 5 (01:07):
That's exactly what I said. There is no words to
be twisted. You broke out some stuff Friday that not
a lot of people were aware.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Of and I'm glad that you were aheadline.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
I'm glad you had some awareness of the awareness because
you know the way the segment played out, it was
almost everybody was at like, did you like put Q
up on what was going on?
Speaker 2 (01:33):
And I said absolutely not.
Speaker 6 (01:35):
No.
Speaker 5 (01:35):
You people forget like like I know people, I know
things going on, people talk to me about stuff.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Indeed, it was well well done.
Speaker 5 (01:46):
It's one of the reasons why, like people think a
lot of it. It's so funny to me about the
college football playoff and how people have reacted to things
that I'm saying in regards to like, oh, it's because
it's about Notre Dame. It's like, no, Actually, we're gonna
have a nice little segment here, and I'm gonna teach
you some things why if I was a Miami fan,
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I would be very frustrated with being left out last
year and almost being left out this year, and I'll
explain why. And if I was a college football fan,
or if I'm a BYU fan, I'd be very upset
about being treated differently then Bama was treated. And there's
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reasons why. So we can all act like everything's on
the up and up, and that money's not involved and
there's not motivation to get certain conferences, certain teams and
have certain things happen. I mean, we talked about we've
talked about the College fall playoff, how the committee right
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doesn't want to have rematches because we've already seen these games, Like,
what's the point of having a rematch? We literally have
two of them in the first round in this year.
Two I like personally, well, okay, rematches when they're not
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orchestrated the way they are by this committee. So if
you had a rematch where they have to win a
game or two to get there, that's one thing. But
they then have a rematch where it's like we've seen
Bama Oklahoma. Does anyone really care to see that again?
Besides Alabama Oklahoma? Oklahoma's offense stinks. Alabama's defense and really
offense in the SEC championshipame stinks. We watched that before.
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Do we need to see Ole Miss blowout t Lane again?
We've already watched that matchup. Well, but this is how
we this is how we construct our national championship in
college football. And it's crazy because you know, the playoff
and tournament format is obviously one of the greatest things
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about men's basketball women basketball, like that March madness, and
it's celebrated, it's awesome. And instead we have a network
in ESPN that makes this drama filled, stupid show on
Tuesday nights and they use it just to make money
off of. And then we get into the playoff, we're like, yes,
this is for the national championship. Well, no, it's not.
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You don't have the twelve best teams in there. And
I'm not like advocating too for saying like, hey, a
team like Tulane shouldn't make it in or jam you
shouldn't make it in. But again, as we talk about this,
I will show you how messed up the entire process is.
Speaker 6 (04:37):
Well, I mean, let's get into Yeah, let's do it.
Speaker 5 (04:39):
Let's do some radio formatics. We got radio formatics.
Speaker 6 (04:42):
I mean, let's fire off.
Speaker 7 (04:44):
You know, we've already gotten the particulars out of the way,
the details of the show out of the way. College
football playoff is out. For those of you that aren't aware,
here's you're one through twelve, with Indiana as the number
one seed. You've got Ohio State two, going to have
Georgia sitting at three, Texas Tech at four. The five
to twelve matchup will be Oregon and James Madison. You're
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going to see U as well Miami and Texas A
and M You've got Ole miss Tulane, as Brady mentioned,
and you've got the rematch of Alabama Oklahoma, which we
saw previous earlier in the year as well too. So
missing in this whole conversation is Notre Dame, who, in
my opinion, was strung along and strung along and strung along.
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And I talked to Brady about this actually off the air,
and it was, you know, in the midst of a
hardware store fire near his house, that the idea that
after wins, you would then decide to flip Notre Dame
in Alabama was the first signal, Okay, this is a script.
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It's a scripted television show. They were written into the
script and now we're getting towards the final episode where
the switch is gonna happen and Alabama goes out gets
knifed in. The SEC championship game wasn't even close, not
even close. They've got three losses, but they're in and
Notre Dame is on the outside.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Look it in God c I'm gonna let you have it.
It's not.
Speaker 5 (06:22):
So there's a number of ways of looking at this,
Like there's the case for Notre Dame. And I think
a lot of people who look at Notre Dame's case
were like, well, they lost the head to head to Miami.
That's correct. And I think you guys know and anyone
who knows that I've talked about this situation is the
comparison to me was never Notre Dame in Miami. I've
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always said that, like, head to head does matter, and
that game, if it's purely the only thing you're looking at,
has to matter. So Notre Dame was never gonna go
over go in ahead of Miami because of the head
to head. Now, the idea that we needed a team
in between the two to compare those two things, that's
where we start like making this a mockery when you say, like, well,
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because there was BYU in between them, we weren't able
to really compare those two teams. And trust me, I
know because I'm sure LeVar back in the day, you know,
when he was talking to one girl, if there was
another girl between him, he never could look across the
bar and another girl to compare the two, right, bar
I mean.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
That never happened yesterday, damn got rich.
Speaker 5 (07:31):
But think about how stupid that argument is. And now
we go, well, guys, there was a buffer. BYU was
in between him. It's like, no, man, you're comparing all
those teams. You were looking at Notre Dame's case, you're
looking at Miami's case, you're looking at BYU's case, you're
looking at Bama's case. But the truth of the matter was,
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in a week where Notre Dame was ahead of Alabama,
both teams won one much more were convincingly versus a
losing team versus another team who is a losing team
in Auburn, and nearly dropped that game. They jumped Alabama
ahead of Notre Dame, and the rationale behind that is inexplicable.
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Some would say, well, you know, the College Football Playoff
Committee penalized Alabama too much when they lost to Oklahoma,
so this was a way of moving them back where
they should have been in the first place. There was
that little spun narrative out there. There was others who
felt like, well, this was actually a move to put
Alabama in a position where, regardless of outcome, they were
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going to make it into the College Football Playoff because
they're Alabama and they've got a good resume of wins, which,
all right, are we not going to then factor into
who they've lost to and how they've lost? You know,
how are we looking at these teams as what they
are as teams? Are we looking at just their ceiling
by what they've done when they've won? Do we look
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at their floor? Because the floor is pretty low at Alabama.
I mean, let's just look at their Week one lost
to Florida State, another losing team who's bad. I guess
we don't take that into consideration, at least not those
Week one games for Bama, just for Notre Dame and Miami.
So when you really start looking at how this committee
had compared the teams, there was things they did along
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the way that made no logical sense, no rational sense
outside of saying this was purely for TV. There was
no reason to wait to move Miami ahead of Notre
Dame in the rankings. They could have done it all year.
Miami beat Notre Dame week one. There was never a
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reason to move Miami behind Notre Dame. Notre Dame started
off zero to two. They always could have kept Notre
Dame behind Miami. So the committee purely did this for
the theatrics as a part of ESPN because it's Notre
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Dame and using that brand. That's where I think a
lot of people are frustrated with this, because it's not
just about not making the playoff. It was being upon
in a TV show for a network that has no
ties to that brand or that school. And then when
you look at the brands they are propping up Miami,
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which would have been the if.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
They're not for them.
Speaker 5 (10:28):
They're the only team representing the ACC who owns the
distribution to the ACC ESPN?
Speaker 3 (10:36):
AC knew it was SEC, I didn't know it was ACC.
I didn't who was the distribution to the SEC ESPN ESPN.
They owned both. So when you really look at what occurred,
and if you look at the Big twelve, it's split.
It's Fox and it's ESPN. So when you look at that,
you go, huh, that's kind of odd.
Speaker 5 (10:57):
You got two of the teams that you're really trying
to prop those con is up which and then just
to dive deeper into it, let's just talk about how
Miami got where they got and how the ACC got
where they got. Because as as I'm making a case
for what I think Notre Dame was frustrated by, you
also have to understand, you know, and we'll get to
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the Bama and the SEC Championship game, but if you
look at the ACC Championship and how it was constructed,
the reason why they only have one team in it's
an at large bid, not their conference championship is purely
on Jim Phillips. It's purely on the ACC for the
manner in which they construct their tie breaking scenarios to
determine who plays in that championship game. So congratulations to
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Manny Diaz and Duke and those players. They won the
ACC Championship this year. Were they the best team in
the ACC? Of course not. And mind you, not only
are that the best team in the ACC, they weren't
the team that was gonna end up going on to
go play for a national championship, which is a shame
because it kind of provided like a false sense of
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what these players and coaches could achieve because eight and
five you're not getting in the playoff. You're not and
because of the tie breaking scenarios that were I believe
head to head and It's like, you know, percentage of
record versus common opponents and their win loss record. That's
the ACC's tie breaking scenario to determine that Duke and
Uva we're best suited to go play for the AEC championship.
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We find ourselves in this entire situation where you get
to Lane and James Madison, this Sun Belt champion both
the part of the playoff. Now you're gonna ask why
is that. It's because the AAC, for example, in their
tie breaking criteria to determine who plays off for their
their conference championship, it reads like this head to head. Okay,
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if that doesn't break the scenario, you go to the
next thing. What's that College football highest ranked College Football
playoff teams? Which makes the most sense for every conference
that's trying to play under the college football playoff to
play for a national championship. Ultimately, your conference is trying
to determine who are those best two teams they're gonna
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play for our conference championship and then go on to
play for a national championship to represent our conference. And
because the ACC wasn't able to identify that they could
send a team with five losses to their Conference Championship
that if they win, which again congrats to Duke. Awesome game,
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awesome seeing them be able to survive and still, you know,
go get that thing in overtime. But they could not
foresee that if that team was going to win, they
were gonna end up being left out of the playoff.
I mean ESPN had a crew there waiting being like, oh,
we will see if Duke gets it. It's like, yeah, no,
there's no shot. There's no shot, Like, what are you
talking about. And so, because of that and the way
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it's word in the college football playoff, if you had
to end up having the five highest ranked conference champions
get access to the tournament, so you have the SEC,
the Big Ten, and the Big Twelve with Texas Tech,
but you still needed two more conference champs. So the
ACC gets left out. The AAC again, a better worded
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tie breaking scenario allows North Texas and Talane to play
off for it, and obviously Tulane to move on into
the playoff, and then James Madison from the Sun Belt.
And if they would have tweaked the language to be
that of the AAC in the ACC Championship, it would
have been Miami playing off against UVA. What would that
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have meant, Miami probably beats UVA. There's an extra spot
James Madison doesn't get in Notre Dame would end up
getting as that large bit it could have been byu
that would be then up for debate. So I'm not
even just making a case for Notre Dame. But based
on how the College Football Playoff Committee saw it, they
did rank No Name ahead of byu So that's who
would have gotten that final spot. So there's just one
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example of the ineptitude of the ACC in that conference,
again distributed by the ESPN. ESPN has their hand in
all this, and because of their own inability to determine
the best suited conference champion, they end up finding themselves
in the midst of all of this, completely fumbling it,
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but then lucking out because the committee throws Miami in
there to save the ACC the representation, and again ESPN
for having a conference that was basically going to be
left out because of the stupidity of those involved not
being able to figure out their own conference champion.
Speaker 7 (15:40):
They've kind of spit on conference championship games. Basically is
because they've they've determined that well, look, you know, as
long as you, because anybody that watched the SEC title
game that wasn't close.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
No, it wasn't competitive like.
Speaker 7 (15:57):
Atat like it never at one point during that game
did I look at it and go, oh, I don't know, man,
Alabama's got a shot here.
Speaker 6 (16:02):
That wasn't close.
Speaker 7 (16:04):
And so if you're using the same rationale as to
why BYU got left out or why it's okay, well
then make it well.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
That's the next part of the conversation is why does
BYU get like counter and knocked down after the performance
in their Big twelve championship game and not Bama. And
in fact, on average over the of the four team
playoff for ten years, the average was teams that lost
in the conference championship but would move down two spots.
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And I just had someone send me a piece of
research and it was like the last three years, the
only team to lose in their conference championship and not
move down is Alabama. And to further that point, the
only team in SEC Conference cham championship history to not
score a point for three quarters is this year's Alabama team.
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This year's Alabama off And it was by the way,
Tys Simps in the passing game is the only thing
that's kept that entire offense together. They can't run the football,
they can't stop the run. This is not like your
Nick Saban Alabama teams. It's not I would be shocked
if Oklahoma and beat them agin in and Oklahoma can't score.
Poor jeoh matteers got to deal with a surgeygre repaired
thumb or a messed up thumb and their offense is struggled.
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But like again, that plays to these ideas and thoughts
and conspiracy theories that this is what ESPN wants because
there are a lot of the teams that you know
they're beholden to given their distribution within the SEC and
the ACC and how they wanted this whole thing to
work out. They didn't want to leave out of Abama team,
which I think if you wanted to set that precedent,
you had every right to leave Bama au based on
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that performance and laying an egg. But they tried to
send a message really to notre name that they want
to penalize teams for playing in a conference championship weekend.
And I'll just add on top of that for all
the people who are like, yo, you need a joy
to conference here, it is, LeVar. Are how many teams
in the semi last year won their conference championship?
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Oh uh?
Speaker 3 (18:05):
In the semi final of the College Football Playoff?
Speaker 5 (18:10):
Yeah, year zero just expanded twelve teams?
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Zero?
Speaker 5 (18:13):
That is dead on correct. How many teams in the
national championship? How many teams that won it all last year?
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Zero? There you go and the other glad I could
assist you.
Speaker 7 (18:25):
Just just listening to on the this and I'll give
Sean mcdonnok credit because he.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Gave it Brady Quinn credit here with this. Dude just
ran off.
Speaker 6 (18:36):
Bruh, listen, bro.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
I think he's like, he's like he needs.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
To be like clinically diagnosed, Like you got some type
of issue. Man, I'm telling you, I don't get it, Spectrum,
I don't get.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
It, brou.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Probably I'm sitting there trying to keep my mouth off
of the table.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Like what the sound like a cybor like a computer
like type it in enter.
Speaker 6 (19:04):
So they had to the internet.
Speaker 7 (19:06):
They had a lot of time to h to kill
during the SEC championship game.
Speaker 6 (19:12):
It wasn't good. It was And so Sean mcdonn is
making the point.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Are he.
Speaker 7 (19:19):
Sean McDonough brought up the point he said, you know
why is the question is why was Notre Dame knocked
down a spot and why were they swapped with Alabama?
Like that's and he tried, you know, he tried to
make the argument to be fair and balanced. And Greg
McElroy is like, well, I think they were just correcting
the fact that Alabama was punished too hard, dropping from
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four to ten for their loss to Oklahoma. It's like,
all right, so what are we doing? Are you script doctors? Like, hey,
you know, we wrote this thing out, but we didn't
like how that went. So after the fact, we're gonna
go and then we're gonna start correcting things like you did.
Speaker 6 (19:55):
Like is that how this whole thing is done now?
Speaker 3 (19:57):
Like?
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Is that is that?
Speaker 7 (19:58):
Because if that's the case, then why waste anybody's time
in the build up until we get to the final rankings.
Just release the final rankings, figure out what you guys
want to do, and don't spend time discussing in a meeting,
Go to television, announce your rankings, and then a few
weeks later, decide, you know what, upon further review, we
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were too harsh on them, We'll go ahead and swap
them the spot.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Still think none of it makes sense.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
The problem with what you're saying is it still runs
into the problem that Q was presenting, and that there
is it clearly showed itself this year that the agenda
is clear.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
It's clear, and and waiting to do the rankings.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
I don't think that that rectifies it. Like, the fact
of the matter is you want the teams in that
you want, and they're representing the bottom line that it's
going to represent.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
I think it's very simple.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
I mean Q just explained that that, like gave y'all
like a class on it, and and if you're taking
notes on it, you can understand more of the why.
But at the end of the day, the dilemma is
you have conflicting interests with the people who own the
college football playoffs period, and and they're going to make
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decisions that are are weighted on how it benefits them
most because they are the platform that that has.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
The control over it. I mean, that's just you know, I.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Was about to say something real crazy.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Now Notre Dame knows what it feels like to be.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
I really was, Now, b why you knows what it
feels like to be against the establishment.
Speaker 5 (21:46):
You know what I mean like, well, that's here's.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
The reality to it is fight fight the power.
Speaker 5 (21:51):
We make a case that ESPN, you go, budd you
can equally hate the case that ESPN just hates any religion.
They hate Mormons.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
There, you get all of them there.
Speaker 5 (22:01):
That's the thing is they hit all of them.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
There, you go.
Speaker 5 (22:04):
Disney's become so sacrilegious that they just hate every sort
of a sense of faith. And that's that's what they're.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Pushing, pushing. I knew we could get him there. I
knew we could get him there.
Speaker 5 (22:15):
I mean, we could call it a conspiracy theory, but
it seems rather obvious to me that any form of
a belief and a higher being they're just trying to
push out. The last time I checked, is is TCU involved.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Nope?
Speaker 5 (22:28):
Nope, Is Baylor involved? Nope? Dang, just saying, I mean,
last time I saw is Boston College and some of
these other institutions that are tied back to, you know,
some sort of faith or religion. I just think ESPN
hates God and that's they're trying to take over, trying
to act like they're God out there in the college
football playoff and the.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Truth Shell said, free.
Speaker 5 (22:55):
Yeah, how about them Apple's ESPN. You just hate God,
you hate us Mormons, the.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Catholics tackle to Mapples.
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Speaker 6 (23:46):
And by the way, if you were.
Speaker 7 (23:49):
Really really hoping, really wishing, possibly praying that the Kansas
City Chiefs were not done for and that there were
still top I am to make a run of this
whole thing. The Houston Texans stepped right up and said,
go f yourself with a dominant performance last night, you
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can look at whatever the final score, stat metric you want.
The Kansas City Chiefs look like a shell of themselves,
so much so that I think LeVar basically closed the
coffin last night. In our text chain, would you say
Superman's dead?
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Superman is dead? Yep, yeah, Superman is dead.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
I mean the Texans they're they're like a unique team,
you know, like I've always said, like I look at
him and I'm like, man, are they doing good this year?
And you look at him and it's like, oh, they're like
at the top of their conference stuff like that. And
last night I think I think I found myself coming
away from that game asking myself the question, is the
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Texans defense that good?
Speaker 7 (24:56):
Is it?
Speaker 3 (24:58):
I mean, it looked they look dominant, but then it
But but the whole point was or is Kansas City
just no?
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Are they just not that good? Is I said this before?
Speaker 3 (25:16):
I feel like the fear factor of what the Kansas
City Chiefs represent, even in Arrowhead, is waning, like it's
it's it's it's fading away. I think last night might
have been to me, that's like the nail in the
coffin of it's the end of an era.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
It's it's like, will.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
They be good again? Maybe they'll be good again. Will
they ever be as good as they once were? I
think that that ship has sailed. Andy Reid had his
time and it was an amazing time. Patrick Mahomes had
his time, and it was an amazing time.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
It's over.
Speaker 5 (25:57):
It's over.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
It's over. It's that's it. It's a rap. Johnny godmn,
the movie's over. Like that's the credits are coming up.
Speaker 7 (26:08):
Oh hey, by the way, Coop's clapping by the seat.
I wish people could see Coop. Hey, take a bound.
Speaker 6 (26:13):
He's wearing a Broncos poncho.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
It's a team.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
That's a team, that's a team of the future. Yeah yeah,
I'm just saying, man, go ahead, Coop, go ahead, get
it out.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
This is one of the greatest takes you've ever had.
The arguin you're you're on fire. Keep going. I don't
want to. Hey, listen, I'm looking at the highlights.
Speaker 4 (26:38):
Like.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
There were a lot of drops last night.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
I mean, they didn't help the case of what Patrick
Mahomes could have been if those guys were catching the ball.
I mean, even Kelsey's drop led to a to a
turnover going on everyone.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Oh it's over for Kelsey. He'd been checked out.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
He just getting that checking for a little bit longer.
And then once once he say, I do the numbctuals
like finally one for the good.
Speaker 6 (27:04):
Guys to thanks man five years in Canton.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Guys can go dig too, you know what I mean?
Why not? But anyway, it's over? Why not?
Speaker 3 (27:15):
It's over for the Chiefs though, like their streak is
going to come to an end. It's ended, right, it
was effectively ended last night of them winning a conference title.
It's it's going to end on them going to a playoff,
which ultimately ends what they've been able to accomplish in
the playoffs. I think now you just got to ask
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yourself the question is this is this considered to be
a dynasty because what they what they've done, what they've
done is like, to me, it's a rap. So you
got to base it off of what they've already done,
not what they're going to do.
Speaker 6 (27:54):
Yeah, it's a pretty decent run.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
I mean there's always the chance.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
I mean, look, Brady resurfaced and became a winner after
what was it like seven eight years?
Speaker 6 (28:03):
You'd like think about this Patrick Mahomes since he.
Speaker 5 (28:06):
Took gone to Super Bowls and lost, Like that's.
Speaker 7 (28:08):
The difference, Patrick Mahomes since he's taken over as a
starter when he took over for Alex Smith.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
As always.
Speaker 7 (28:15):
At worse, they're in the AFC title game and they
lose it over time.
Speaker 6 (28:20):
At worse, that's all so like this now that at.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Worst has gone really really really like like far away
from there.
Speaker 7 (28:30):
At worst Yeah, now at worst is we're not making
the playoffs this year.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Yeah, and we're actually considered to not be a good team.
Speaker 7 (28:37):
At worse, it's just been a while since offensively they've
looked decent consistently, Like there's been a couple of games,
but it's been a while since they've looked okay and
a consistently good offense. It feels like the defense has
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been carrying that this because aired b enemy man up top.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Yeah yeah, damn up. What they had not been the
same since Eric Benemy. It's no time to say it.
Speaker 7 (29:07):
And by the way, Eric enemy running backs coach in
Chicago for the Bears, why they run the ball, that's right.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
I mean the Bears is on fire this year.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
I mean they let it get away yesterday but I'll
tell you what, it was a hell of a game
and it's fun. It was a fun game. It was
finally a fun game to watch Green Bay and the Bears.
How about that? Just I was I was waiting for
cut to jump on it. I know he was ready
to jump on it. Are you ready to jump on it?
Speaker 5 (29:33):
He's right? Think about it. They have not won a
Super Bowl h and more than one year after Pan
to me left.
Speaker 6 (29:43):
Yeah, it's a great point.
Speaker 5 (29:44):
I mean they waned the year after he left. It
went again in twenty twenty four, So you could say, like,
was Eric Vietemy the reason for their success?
Speaker 2 (29:55):
He was part of doubt, he was part of it.
Speaker 5 (29:57):
That's he was part of it, without a doubt. He
was part of it.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Yeah, a lot of people tried to minimize him and
say red it was Andy Reid, it's.
Speaker 5 (30:06):
Andy Reid, It's Patrick Mahomes up top, Yeah, up top.
But meanwhile, all they've done since he's left is go
to the Super Bowls.
Speaker 7 (30:13):
So yeah, on befa Alfa, Brady and I would like
to revisit the Babe.
Speaker 6 (30:19):
Ruth for Patrick Mahomes trade. M hmm, we'd like to
revisit that please.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
No, we're going to well, we're keeping. We're keeping, babe, Ruth.
You guys got Patrick Mahomes, you want to revisit?
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Why wait? We got Jordan Love though, so don't worry.
Speaker 5 (30:35):
We want Patrick Mahomes. I thought we want we want
my homes.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Yeah, y'all did. That's why. That's why we trade it.
Speaker 6 (30:40):
Not after last night.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
See, Jonas is trying to treat yall like Notre Dame.
You know what I mean, trying to treat you I
like your alma mater.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Today. I wanted you to who's y'all? Well, yeah, is
the Notre Damers.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
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Speaker 2 (31:04):
And right now.
Speaker 7 (31:05):
Yes, we welcome in the one and only come on
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Speaker 2 (31:21):
Good morning, Hill.
Speaker 4 (31:23):
I was expecting a lot of Brady Quinn smoke in
the last Yesterday. I wanted to see why is it.
Speaker 5 (31:29):
What I'm not like going after guys and be look
at bozoy clown. I'm just like stating facts. I don't
know why people think that's like being uh, you know,
smoke or like going after it with people.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
About what guy's not playing in the bowl.
Speaker 5 (31:44):
Game, which again you've always said that, so you know, to.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
Ask you that that's what that's what the amazing thing
is you finally have come over to my thought.
Speaker 5 (31:53):
First off, I've never I've never disagreed with you. We've
talked about that in regards to like the playoffs one thing,
but not like these exhibition games.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
Right, that's all they are exhibition games exactly.
Speaker 5 (32:05):
And I've said that with you. Yeah, I'll put it
this way. I'll put it this way. I really thought
you were going to get on and make this statement,
which you have not so far, but you will. When
college football, which is the pageantry of the history, the
history of the tradition, all that, there's so many really
cool things about it. This is the ugly part about
it now is when you compare it to what the
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NFL is, outside of the fact that it's you know,
bigger markets and all that stuff, is the NFL actually
is able to determine like they're champion in a manner
that like there's no disputing it. Everyone pretty much agrees
with it. Maybe we'd say, like, hey, if you win
your division with a losing record, maybe you shouldn't host homefield.
I don't know, But for the most part, it's a
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format that we all agree with. I don't know that
anyone's ever been happy with the playoff at four teams
twelve teams regardless. So this is the one ugly part
I think of college football that NFL easily has over
college football.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
But yeah, you went in on the field and you
don't have a you don't have a beauty pageant, judges
deciding who goes and who doesn't.
Speaker 5 (33:07):
I mean that's that's or or another way of putting it.
You don't have like Las Vegas and Cleveland and get
a couple of spots to play in the playoffs when
they're already out of it kind of you know what
I'm saying, Like like a lesser level team getting in
where you know they're not gonna have any shot at winning.
It's just like, hey, we're glad you had a great season.
Let's see how things go here.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
Look and this this isn't I know you're taught not
talking just because Notre Dame got left out, because by
the way, Notre Dame should be in. Alabama should be out, period,
end of story. That's the way it should be.
Speaker 5 (33:36):
As Obama fan, most people watch the games, they go, yeah,
this BAMA team is not a Nick Saban Damita team.
They're not very good.
Speaker 4 (33:43):
I'm sorry, No, and the quarterback is regressed in a
big way in the last five weeks and can't start
it on. It should be Notre Dame and Miami. But
if you really want to get down to it, let
me come on, James Madison and Tulane. If you were
having the true playoff, they wouldn't be in. That's the reality.
You know. You get.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Shot, they fired, shake, grenade thrown.
Speaker 4 (34:04):
Well, I mean, seriously, this isn't.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
This isn't special seasons can't be rewarded with having an
opportunity to see.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
I am thoroughly intrigued.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
To see if they get their asses beat like everybody
thinks they are, or they pull off an upset somebody
at some point, at some at some point, somebody's going
to have an upset. I'm just saying somebody's gonna I
would love for it.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
It'd be like in the old days when they used
to have the Cinderella in March.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Man.
Speaker 4 (34:36):
If they win a game in the first round and
they get plastered by forty the next week, I mean,
come on, it doesn't work. And you do you think
James Madison or tou Lane as a shot.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Do you seriously they're there. They aren't the right to
be there, aren't the right everybody.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
Hey, listen, you gotta wake up, and you gotta put
one foot down on the floor, one out down, one
out of time, just like the other team does. Just
like the other team does.
Speaker 4 (35:02):
They barely won their championship the other night. I mean,
come on, and it shouldn't.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Be, but they want it.
Speaker 5 (35:08):
We'll also point out this to LeVar that I don't
know if he's aware again. Ole Miss played you know,
this matchup already this season where they saw the outchey
you said.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
It, They realized they get they get another go at it,
They get to redeem themselves. What if they go out
there and spank them boys like.
Speaker 5 (35:29):
Join the AC and they wipe the floor of the
a C every year and they get the automatic bid
who's that who? As I'm saying, like a team's basically
you just join a lower yet one repeated and then
they go in every year.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
You're right, it's a bad it's a bad system. We
know that. And it's and and the whole college football
system is bad.
Speaker 5 (35:47):
Right now, let's let's not get ahead of ourselves. Because
LeVar said something Pete that I think you're gonna love.
He believes that the Chiefs are done. That's a rep
put a fork him is he's calling it. He's who
man seth Rickersham esque like calling the Patriots before they
actually were truly done. But LeVar is calling them put
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a fork and un they're done.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
They're done, wait done this year or done period?
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Done forever? Done?
Speaker 4 (36:13):
Oh my god, that's ridiculous. They still mahomes Are you serious?
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Non Superman is dead?
Speaker 4 (36:20):
Bruh, Okay, let me ask you this. Let me ask
you this. That's a pretty good Texans defense, right they
played with dout three offensive lineman really good and they
still had a chance, they still had a real chance
to win that game. They're done forever, LeVar?
Speaker 2 (36:34):
At what point?
Speaker 3 (36:35):
At what point do we don't LeVar me like like like, oh,
my gosh. Your point is, hey, look here, Pete. I
said it, and I mean it what I see down
that Kansas City Chiefs game was a must win game
for them. I've said it all along. The fair factor
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of the Kansas City Chiefs. The mastique has worn out,
it has run its course.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
Look at the tread. If you put a quarter.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
In there and you can see the the head of
George Washington, you need a new tire. This team's tires
are bolting. It's done. It's done. The Kansas City Chiefs
ran it must win at home and you can't win
in Kansas City Kingdom.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
It's done.
Speaker 4 (37:25):
Well, they're done it. They're probably done this year. But
done as in done with number fifteen playing quarters. Yes
they're done.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
Yes, done as in done, as in the code has
been cracked, and now that their defense isn't bailing them
out so that people can continue to talk about how
good Patrick Mahomes is when he's been bailed out the
last couple of years by the defense to begin with, Yes,
even Patrick Mahomes, it is done.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
Done. Put a fork in to make sure.
Speaker 4 (37:56):
Let's make sure you clip this in about five years
from that, let's pull it back out again and then
we can all laugh in LaVar strace how about that?
Speaker 3 (38:04):
And you know what this is media. So I don't
care like if it changes. If three four years from
now they become a good team again, I'll lie. I'll
just say you know what I said, that they would
be back all along, that's all. I don't have, no problem.
I can have revisionist history. It's two three years from.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
Now, LeVar, I'm joking.
Speaker 3 (38:30):
I am joking, but I am not joking about them
being done. They are done, just.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
So clear probably done.
Speaker 4 (38:36):
They're probably done this year, but they're not done, done, done,
not as long as quarterback you're out of your mind.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
That's a safe it's a safe assessment. Pete.
Speaker 7 (38:44):
Let me ask you about another team that I think
is not only done this year, but has put themselves
in a tough spot. So when the Colts made the
move to trade for sauce Gardner and they gave up
what they gave up to get him, the thought was,
you know, we're pretty much going all in this year.
Then Daniel Jones has a broken fibula, then he tears
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his achilles, sauce Gardner is banged up. Now that feels
like they really rolled the dice, and if you compare
their first half of the season to what the second
half has looked like so far, they're also not going
to make the playoffs and have set themselves back with
the moves they made for years to come.
Speaker 4 (39:22):
It feels like, yeah, they're done. And by the way,
they were going to have a tough time whether Daniel
Jones was in the lineup anyways. I mean, I thought
they were going to lose yesterday and you know, he
threw a terrible interception to start the game. And then
look at their schedule. I mean they went they were
going to Seattle next week, They have the Niners and
the Texans left. I mean, the schedule is just brutal.
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And so I thought they were done anyways, but now
with him not being there, they're really done. And here's
the other part of it. You talk about that trade
for Sauce Gardner. You know, the last time the Colts
won the division, Andrew Luck was the quarterback. Every team
in the division has won it at least twice since
they've last won it. So if you look at Chris
Ballard and what he's done, I think that you know,
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you make that move because you are all in and
now you're all in and you don't have those draft picks,
so they have big problems, no question about it. You know,
I don't. You guys know an Achilles better than me.
But it's easy get to play next year with that?
Can he play next.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
That's what I was saying. He walked off the field though,
so I don't know. That's and we I brought that
up earlier. I don't know the severity of the tier.
I think it all depends on the severe If he
fully ruptured it, that's going to take a little while.
Speaker 5 (40:32):
That's I do believe that's gonna ask. I don't know
the severity either. But it's kind of like an a
c l if it's partially torn or fully torn. Aren't
you just going back and reattaching regardless, Like it's you
have surgery, You.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
Do have it.
Speaker 3 (40:45):
No, you do have to re It's different if you
have to pull it down out of the calf muscle.
Speaker 7 (40:51):
Pete LeVar said earlier that it's going to take Dana
Jones longer to come back because he's white.
Speaker 6 (40:56):
What are your thoughts?
Speaker 5 (40:57):
Yeah, he said he doesn't recover as well.
Speaker 4 (41:00):
Nor is the idea, what the hell he's doing.
Speaker 5 (41:04):
Is a better show.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
The fact that you went went along with what they
just did, and you you you said that about me.
The way you did it shows what our relationship dynamic
is be. You know what, you'll sell me out. I
get it now, all right, I got you, I get it.
Speaker 5 (41:20):
You get uncomfortable.
Speaker 4 (41:22):
I thought they were trying to stir the poduct, all right,
and here you get uncomfortable.
Speaker 5 (41:26):
Can we talk about the Jaguars though?
Speaker 4 (41:29):
Yeah? What about them?
Speaker 5 (41:29):
I mean, you are the mayor of Jacksonville. You could see,
you know, their coaches fired up after the game. Trevor
Lawrence playing better in a sloppy, sloppy weather game.
Speaker 6 (41:40):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (41:40):
I just talk to me about your Jaguars, Man nine
and four bawling right now.
Speaker 4 (41:44):
Well, they're not my Jaguars. But the reality is is
that they're going to win the division and and and
they're gonna have a chance to be the number two seed.
They go to Denver in a couple of weeks. In
that game could decide who's the number two seeds. So look,
he's done a great job with that team. And one
thing that's kind of I don't know if everybody's overlooking it,
but getting to Kobe Myers has helped the entire offense
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because Trevor Lawrence trusts him, he knows what he's going
to do, he knows where he's going to be. And
not only that, Jakobe Myers has helped Brian Thomas. He's
a pros pro and Brian Thomas is now starting to
make plays. And so I think that offense has come alive.
And you know, defensively they're number one in the league
against the run, and are they that good? And that
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you know, probably not when you look at it, man
the man, they're not, but that guy's done a really
good job Campanelli with that defense. And so look they're
gonna be in a year when nobody's that good. They're
capable of making a little run. Just as like, just
like anybody else in the league. Is who in the
AFC when you look at it on paper, who in
the AFC is a team that you fear? Do you
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fear the Patriots or the Broncos?
Speaker 6 (42:48):
Hoston Houston? Know that's Houston.
Speaker 5 (42:54):
Houston will give you problems and is going to give.
Speaker 2 (42:57):
A lot of we got problem you stad.
Speaker 4 (43:02):
But I mean, but Jacksonville led that by nineteen in
the fourth quarter about a month ago and blew the game. Look,
there's no great team. I think it's going to be
the most wide open AFC playoffs we seen it a
long time, and probably even in the NFT.
Speaker 5 (43:15):
Can we talk about the Eagles then, because we got
a Monday night football matchup tonight. It feels like their
backs are somewhat against the wall the way they've been
playing of late. But you can make maybe the same
case about the Chargers. Give us a little preview of
how you have picked this game, how you see a
plan out.
Speaker 4 (43:31):
Yeah, I think the Eagles are gonna win that game.
I think the Chargers you talked about the Chargers are
in trouble. The Chargers are in trouble. Line you know,
I mean they're desperate. Yeah, the offensive line the mess
and they you know, they put the salary in at
left tackle last week and he did a better job
than everybody else who played over there. But they still
have major issues on the offensive line. Plus you know, Brady,
you would know this better than me. But the hand injury,
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how is that going to impact him when he's being Yeah,
and so it changes the way you play a little bit.
I think the Eagles they've had. Obviously, they got blown
off the ball last week against the Bears. I mean
they were just hammered in the run game. And now
you've got to go back out and play a team
that really doesn't run the ball very well. So I
think that place to them, even without Jalen Carter, I
think the offense will get going. Give the ball to Barkley.
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Gives the ball to Barkley, Give the ball to Barkley.
Stop with the receivers complaining and you know, moping, even
when they catch eight for one point thirty. I mean,
just stop it and go give the ball to Barkley.
You go win the game. I think the Eagles win
the game. I think they're the more physical team tonight.
Speaker 6 (44:28):
Pete Presco joining us here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
Go ahead, no good, Pete.
Speaker 7 (44:34):
The Tampa Bay Buccaneers, who you spoke glowingly about in
your training camp tours before the year, look like a
shell of themselves as well too.
Speaker 6 (44:46):
I don't know what the hell.
Speaker 7 (44:48):
That was against New Orleans or were they eight and
a half point favorites or something along those lines at
home ending up losing outright. But now all of a
sudden they find themselves in a fight in a division
they should have walked through with the Carolina Panthers. What
do you make of the Tampa Bay struggles.
Speaker 4 (45:04):
Yeah, I think Baker Mayfield's hurt and at worse than
he's leading on. And because since he's been hurt, you
know officially, which happened in the Rams game, he hadn't
played very well. And I think he got hurt in
the forty nine Ers game before that, and just you know,
he starts a competitor at times he's not going to
come out. I heard he didn't even want to come
out of the Rams game and he was you know,
couldn't even throw the football. So I think he's hurt
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not playing well. I think the injuries have taken their
toll in a lot of ways. I mean, yesterday played
without worst at left tackle. He's one of the best
in the business, didn't play. They've been playing without the
right guard all year. They had it, you know, early
in the season, they didn't have anybody on that offensive line.
He was supposed to play in their normal position. Mike
Evans isn't there. And that's the thing about Mike Evans,
you know, I asked one time during the summer I
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asked Baker about it, and he said, look, our offense.
You know what our offense is Mike Evans in the
run game. Mike Evans in the run game, and Mike
Evans isn't there, and that changes the whole dynamic of
their offense. And defensively, they don't rush the passer well enough.
You know, they thought Reddick would come in there and
really cuse it up, and he hasn't and he's been time.
So here's the thing. Get win the two games against Carolina.
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You're in the playoffs. Get ready for the playoffs. That's
as simple as it is for them, and they could
win it different ways. But if they win two games
against Carolina and they play them the two weeks, once
at Carolina and then at the end of the year
at home, they'll be in the playoffs. And it's all
about getting right for the playoffs. And by then you
should have Mike Evans back.
This is the best of two pros and a couple
Joe with Lamar Airings, Winn and Jonas Knox on radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
And a good morning, good morning. Oh he sounds happy.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
I mean you're okay, figure out what do you mean?
Speaker 2 (00:20):
A year ago?
Speaker 3 (00:21):
A year ago, we were destined to see each other
before the National Championship game in a in a in
a matchup between two blue blood schools, and look at
where we are now in the same exact play. You
know how disappointed I was that y'all didn't make it.
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Then after I accepted the fact that y'all didn't make it,
how happy I was that I would get to throw
this in your face.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Yeah, I'm joking. I'm joking.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (00:49):
I mean the difference is you've got a new coach
and we'll see what happens from there.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Well, we did get a new coach, but you know,
we were definitely not in a position to have which By.
Speaker 5 (00:58):
The way, it's interesting that you trying to distract off
of what you said Friday distract made its waves.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Yeah, well you mean distract.
Speaker 5 (01:07):
That's exactly what I said. There is no words to
be twisted. You broke out some stuff Friday that not
a lot of people were aware.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Of and I'm glad that you were aheadline.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
I'm glad you had some awareness of the awareness because
you know the way the segment played out, it was
almost everybody was at like, did you like put Q
up on what was going on?
Speaker 2 (01:33):
And I said absolutely not.
Speaker 6 (01:35):
No.
Speaker 5 (01:35):
You people forget like like I know people, I know
things going on, people talk to me about stuff.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Indeed, it was well well done.
Speaker 5 (01:46):
It's one of the reasons why, like people think a
lot of it. It's so funny to me about the
college football playoff and how people have reacted to things
that I'm saying in regards to like, oh, it's because
it's about Notre Dame. It's like, no, Actually, we're gonna
have a nice little segment here, and I'm gonna teach
you some things why if I was a Miami fan,
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I would be very frustrated with being left out last
year and almost being left out this year, and I'll
explain why. And if I was a college football fan,
or if I'm a BYU fan, I'd be very upset
about being treated differently then Bama was treated. And there's
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reasons why. So we can all act like everything's on
the up and up, and that money's not involved and
there's not motivation to get certain conferences, certain teams and
have certain things happen. I mean, we talked about we've
talked about the College fall playoff, how the committee right
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doesn't want to have rematches because we've already seen these games, Like,
what's the point of having a rematch? We literally have
two of them in the first round in this year.
Two I like personally, well, okay, rematches when they're not
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orchestrated the way they are by this committee. So if
you had a rematch where they have to win a
game or two to get there, that's one thing. But
they then have a rematch where it's like we've seen
Bama Oklahoma. Does anyone really care to see that again?
Besides Alabama Oklahoma? Oklahoma's offense stinks. Alabama's defense and really
offense in the SEC championshipame stinks. We watched that before.
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Do we need to see Ole Miss blowout t Lane again?
We've already watched that matchup. Well, but this is how
we this is how we construct our national championship in
college football. And it's crazy because you know, the playoff
and tournament format is obviously one of the greatest things
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about men's basketball women basketball, like that March madness, and
it's celebrated, it's awesome. And instead we have a network
in ESPN that makes this drama filled, stupid show on
Tuesday nights and they use it just to make money
off of. And then we get into the playoff, we're like, yes,
this is for the national championship. Well, no, it's not.
(04:21):
You don't have the twelve best teams in there. And
I'm not like advocating too for saying like, hey, a
team like Tulane shouldn't make it in or jam you
shouldn't make it in. But again, as we talk about this,
I will show you how messed up the entire process is.
Speaker 6 (04:37):
Well, I mean, let's get into Yeah, let's do it.
Speaker 5 (04:39):
Let's do some radio formatics. We got radio formatics.
Speaker 6 (04:42):
I mean, let's fire off.
Speaker 7 (04:44):
You know, we've already gotten the particulars out of the way,
the details of the show out of the way. College
football playoff is out. For those of you that aren't aware,
here's you're one through twelve, with Indiana as the number
one seed. You've got Ohio State two, going to have
Georgia sitting at three, Texas Tech at four. The five
to twelve matchup will be Oregon and James Madison. You're
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going to see U as well Miami and Texas A
and M You've got Ole miss Tulane, as Brady mentioned,
and you've got the rematch of Alabama Oklahoma, which we
saw previous earlier in the year as well too. So
missing in this whole conversation is Notre Dame, who, in
my opinion, was strung along and strung along and strung along.
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And I talked to Brady about this actually off the air,
and it was, you know, in the midst of a
hardware store fire near his house, that the idea that
after wins, you would then decide to flip Notre Dame
in Alabama was the first signal, Okay, this is a script.
(05:55):
It's a scripted television show. They were written into the
script and now we're getting towards the final episode where
the switch is gonna happen and Alabama goes out gets
knifed in. The SEC championship game wasn't even close, not
even close. They've got three losses, but they're in and
Notre Dame is on the outside.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Look it in God c I'm gonna let you have it.
It's not.
Speaker 5 (06:22):
So there's a number of ways of looking at this,
Like there's the case for Notre Dame. And I think
a lot of people who look at Notre Dame's case
were like, well, they lost the head to head to Miami.
That's correct. And I think you guys know and anyone
who knows that I've talked about this situation is the
comparison to me was never Notre Dame in Miami. I've
(06:43):
always said that, like, head to head does matter, and
that game, if it's purely the only thing you're looking at,
has to matter. So Notre Dame was never gonna go
over go in ahead of Miami because of the head
to head. Now, the idea that we needed a team
in between the two to compare those two things, that's
where we start like making this a mockery when you say, like, well,
(07:07):
because there was BYU in between them, we weren't able
to really compare those two teams. And trust me, I
know because I'm sure LeVar back in the day, you know,
when he was talking to one girl, if there was
another girl between him, he never could look across the
bar and another girl to compare the two, right, bar
I mean.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
That never happened yesterday, damn got rich.
Speaker 5 (07:31):
But think about how stupid that argument is. And now
we go, well, guys, there was a buffer. BYU was
in between him. It's like, no, man, you're comparing all
those teams. You were looking at Notre Dame's case, you're
looking at Miami's case, you're looking at BYU's case, you're
looking at Bama's case. But the truth of the matter was,
(07:53):
in a week where Notre Dame was ahead of Alabama,
both teams won one much more were convincingly versus a
losing team versus another team who is a losing team
in Auburn, and nearly dropped that game. They jumped Alabama
ahead of Notre Dame, and the rationale behind that is inexplicable.
(08:14):
Some would say, well, you know, the College Football Playoff
Committee penalized Alabama too much when they lost to Oklahoma,
so this was a way of moving them back where
they should have been in the first place. There was
that little spun narrative out there. There was others who
felt like, well, this was actually a move to put
Alabama in a position where, regardless of outcome, they were
(08:37):
going to make it into the College Football Playoff because
they're Alabama and they've got a good resume of wins, which,
all right, are we not going to then factor into
who they've lost to and how they've lost? You know,
how are we looking at these teams as what they
are as teams? Are we looking at just their ceiling
by what they've done when they've won? Do we look
(08:59):
at their floor? Because the floor is pretty low at Alabama.
I mean, let's just look at their Week one lost
to Florida State, another losing team who's bad. I guess
we don't take that into consideration, at least not those
Week one games for Bama, just for Notre Dame and Miami.
So when you really start looking at how this committee
had compared the teams, there was things they did along
(09:22):
the way that made no logical sense, no rational sense
outside of saying this was purely for TV. There was
no reason to wait to move Miami ahead of Notre
Dame in the rankings. They could have done it all year.
Miami beat Notre Dame week one. There was never a
(09:44):
reason to move Miami behind Notre Dame. Notre Dame started
off zero to two. They always could have kept Notre
Dame behind Miami. So the committee purely did this for
the theatrics as a part of ESPN because it's Notre
(10:04):
Dame and using that brand. That's where I think a
lot of people are frustrated with this, because it's not
just about not making the playoff. It was being upon
in a TV show for a network that has no
ties to that brand or that school. And then when
you look at the brands they are propping up Miami,
(10:26):
which would have been the if.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
They're not for them.
Speaker 5 (10:28):
They're the only team representing the ACC who owns the
distribution to the ACC ESPN?
Speaker 3 (10:36):
AC knew it was SEC, I didn't know it was ACC.
I didn't who was the distribution to the SEC ESPN ESPN.
They owned both. So when you really look at what occurred,
and if you look at the Big twelve, it's split.
It's Fox and it's ESPN. So when you look at that,
you go, huh, that's kind of odd.
Speaker 5 (10:57):
You got two of the teams that you're really trying
to prop those con is up which and then just
to dive deeper into it, let's just talk about how
Miami got where they got and how the ACC got
where they got. Because as as I'm making a case
for what I think Notre Dame was frustrated by, you
also have to understand, you know, and we'll get to
(11:18):
the Bama and the SEC Championship game, but if you
look at the ACC Championship and how it was constructed,
the reason why they only have one team in it's
an at large bid, not their conference championship is purely
on Jim Phillips. It's purely on the ACC for the
manner in which they construct their tie breaking scenarios to
determine who plays in that championship game. So congratulations to
(11:41):
Manny Diaz and Duke and those players. They won the
ACC Championship this year. Were they the best team in
the ACC? Of course not. And mind you, not only
are that the best team in the ACC, they weren't
the team that was gonna end up going on to
go play for a national championship, which is a shame
because it kind of provided like a false sense of
(12:02):
what these players and coaches could achieve because eight and
five you're not getting in the playoff. You're not and
because of the tie breaking scenarios that were I believe
head to head and It's like, you know, percentage of
record versus common opponents and their win loss record. That's
the ACC's tie breaking scenario to determine that Duke and
Uva we're best suited to go play for the AEC championship.
(12:26):
We find ourselves in this entire situation where you get
to Lane and James Madison, this Sun Belt champion both
the part of the playoff. Now you're gonna ask why
is that. It's because the AAC, for example, in their
tie breaking criteria to determine who plays off for their
their conference championship, it reads like this head to head. Okay,
(12:50):
if that doesn't break the scenario, you go to the
next thing. What's that College football highest ranked College Football
playoff teams? Which makes the most sense for every conference
that's trying to play under the college football playoff to
play for a national championship. Ultimately, your conference is trying
to determine who are those best two teams they're gonna
(13:11):
play for our conference championship and then go on to
play for a national championship to represent our conference. And
because the ACC wasn't able to identify that they could
send a team with five losses to their Conference Championship
that if they win, which again congrats to Duke. Awesome game,
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awesome seeing them be able to survive and still, you know,
go get that thing in overtime. But they could not
foresee that if that team was going to win, they
were gonna end up being left out of the playoff.
I mean ESPN had a crew there waiting being like, oh,
we will see if Duke gets it. It's like, yeah, no,
there's no shot. There's no shot, Like, what are you
talking about. And so, because of that and the way
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it's word in the college football playoff, if you had
to end up having the five highest ranked conference champions
get access to the tournament, so you have the SEC,
the Big Ten, and the Big Twelve with Texas Tech,
but you still needed two more conference champs. So the
ACC gets left out. The AAC again, a better worded
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tie breaking scenario allows North Texas and Talane to play
off for it, and obviously Tulane to move on into
the playoff, and then James Madison from the Sun Belt.
And if they would have tweaked the language to be
that of the AAC in the ACC Championship, it would
have been Miami playing off against UVA. What would that
(14:42):
have meant, Miami probably beats UVA. There's an extra spot
James Madison doesn't get in Notre Dame would end up
getting as that large bit it could have been byu
that would be then up for debate. So I'm not
even just making a case for Notre Dame. But based
on how the College Football Playoff Committee saw it, they
did rank No Name ahead of byu So that's who
would have gotten that final spot. So there's just one
(15:04):
example of the ineptitude of the ACC in that conference,
again distributed by the ESPN. ESPN has their hand in
all this, and because of their own inability to determine
the best suited conference champion, they end up finding themselves
in the midst of all of this, completely fumbling it,
(15:25):
but then lucking out because the committee throws Miami in
there to save the ACC the representation, and again ESPN
for having a conference that was basically going to be
left out because of the stupidity of those involved not
being able to figure out their own conference champion.
Speaker 7 (15:40):
They've kind of spit on conference championship games. Basically is
because they've they've determined that well, look, you know, as
long as you, because anybody that watched the SEC title
game that wasn't close.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
No, it wasn't competitive like.
Speaker 7 (15:57):
Atat like it never at one point during that game
did I look at it and go, oh, I don't know, man,
Alabama's got a shot here.
Speaker 6 (16:02):
That wasn't close.
Speaker 7 (16:04):
And so if you're using the same rationale as to
why BYU got left out or why it's okay, well
then make it well.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
That's the next part of the conversation is why does
BYU get like counter and knocked down after the performance
in their Big twelve championship game and not Bama. And
in fact, on average over the of the four team
playoff for ten years, the average was teams that lost
in the conference championship but would move down two spots.
(16:33):
And I just had someone send me a piece of
research and it was like the last three years, the
only team to lose in their conference championship and not
move down is Alabama. And to further that point, the
only team in SEC Conference cham championship history to not
score a point for three quarters is this year's Alabama team.
(16:57):
This year's Alabama off And it was by the way,
Tys Simps in the passing game is the only thing
that's kept that entire offense together. They can't run the football,
they can't stop the run. This is not like your
Nick Saban Alabama teams. It's not I would be shocked
if Oklahoma and beat them agin in and Oklahoma can't score.
Poor jeoh matteers got to deal with a surgeygre repaired
thumb or a messed up thumb and their offense is struggled.
(17:21):
But like again, that plays to these ideas and thoughts
and conspiracy theories that this is what ESPN wants because
there are a lot of the teams that you know
they're beholden to given their distribution within the SEC and
the ACC and how they wanted this whole thing to
work out. They didn't want to leave out of Abama team,
which I think if you wanted to set that precedent,
you had every right to leave Bama au based on
(17:43):
that performance and laying an egg. But they tried to
send a message really to notre name that they want
to penalize teams for playing in a conference championship weekend.
And I'll just add on top of that for all
the people who are like, yo, you need a joy
to conference here, it is, LeVar. Are how many teams
in the semi last year won their conference championship?
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Oh uh?
Speaker 3 (18:05):
In the semi final of the College Football Playoff?
Speaker 5 (18:10):
Yeah, year zero just expanded twelve teams?
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Zero?
Speaker 5 (18:13):
That is dead on correct. How many teams in the
national championship? How many teams that won it all last year?
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Zero? There you go and the other glad I could
assist you.
Speaker 7 (18:25):
Just just listening to on the this and I'll give
Sean mcdonnok credit because he.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Gave it Brady Quinn credit here with this. Dude just
ran off.
Speaker 6 (18:36):
Bruh, listen, bro.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
I think he's like, he's like he needs.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
To be like clinically diagnosed, Like you got some type
of issue. Man, I'm telling you, I don't get it, Spectrum,
I don't get.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
It, brou.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Probably I'm sitting there trying to keep my mouth off
of the table.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Like what the sound like a cybor like a computer
like type it in enter.
Speaker 6 (19:04):
So they had to the internet.
Speaker 7 (19:06):
They had a lot of time to h to kill
during the SEC championship game.
Speaker 6 (19:12):
It wasn't good. It was And so Sean mcdonn is
making the point.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Are he.
Speaker 7 (19:19):
Sean McDonough brought up the point he said, you know
why is the question is why was Notre Dame knocked
down a spot and why were they swapped with Alabama?
Like that's and he tried, you know, he tried to
make the argument to be fair and balanced. And Greg
McElroy is like, well, I think they were just correcting
the fact that Alabama was punished too hard, dropping from
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four to ten for their loss to Oklahoma. It's like,
all right, so what are we doing? Are you script doctors? Like, hey,
you know, we wrote this thing out, but we didn't
like how that went. So after the fact, we're gonna
go and then we're gonna start correcting things like you did.
Speaker 6 (19:55):
Like is that how this whole thing is done now?
Speaker 3 (19:57):
Like?
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Is that is that?
Speaker 7 (19:58):
Because if that's the case, then why waste anybody's time
in the build up until we get to the final rankings.
Just release the final rankings, figure out what you guys
want to do, and don't spend time discussing in a meeting,
Go to television, announce your rankings, and then a few
weeks later, decide, you know what, upon further review, we
(20:20):
were too harsh on them, We'll go ahead and swap
them the spot.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Still think none of it makes sense.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
The problem with what you're saying is it still runs
into the problem that Q was presenting, and that there
is it clearly showed itself this year that the agenda
is clear.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
It's clear, and and waiting to do the rankings.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
I don't think that that rectifies it. Like, the fact
of the matter is you want the teams in that
you want, and they're representing the bottom line that it's
going to represent.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
I think it's very simple.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
I mean Q just explained that that, like gave y'all
like a class on it, and and if you're taking
notes on it, you can understand more of the why.
But at the end of the day, the dilemma is
you have conflicting interests with the people who own the
college football playoffs period, and and they're going to make
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decisions that are are weighted on how it benefits them
most because they are the platform that that has.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
The control over it. I mean, that's just you know, I.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Was about to say something real crazy.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Now Notre Dame knows what it feels like to be.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
I really was, Now, b why you knows what it
feels like to be against the establishment.
Speaker 5 (21:46):
You know what I mean like, well, that's here's.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
The reality to it is fight fight the power.
Speaker 5 (21:51):
We make a case that ESPN, you go, budd you
can equally hate the case that ESPN just hates any religion.
They hate Mormons.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
There, you get all of them there.
Speaker 5 (22:01):
That's the thing is they hit all of them.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
There, you go.
Speaker 5 (22:04):
Disney's become so sacrilegious that they just hate every sort
of a sense of faith. And that's that's what they're.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Pushing, pushing. I knew we could get him there. I
knew we could get him there.
Speaker 5 (22:15):
I mean, we could call it a conspiracy theory, but
it seems rather obvious to me that any form of
a belief and a higher being they're just trying to
push out. The last time I checked, is is TCU involved.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Nope?
Speaker 5 (22:28):
Nope, Is Baylor involved? Nope? Dang, just saying, I mean,
last time I saw is Boston College and some of
these other institutions that are tied back to, you know,
some sort of faith or religion. I just think ESPN
hates God and that's they're trying to take over, trying
to act like they're God out there in the college
football playoff and the.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Truth Shell said, free.
Speaker 5 (22:55):
Yeah, how about them Apple's ESPN. You just hate God,
you hate us Mormons, the.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
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Speaker 6 (23:46):
And by the way, if you were.
Speaker 7 (23:49):
Really really hoping, really wishing, possibly praying that the Kansas
City Chiefs were not done for and that there were
still top I am to make a run of this
whole thing. The Houston Texans stepped right up and said,
go f yourself with a dominant performance last night, you
(24:10):
can look at whatever the final score, stat metric you want.
The Kansas City Chiefs look like a shell of themselves,
so much so that I think LeVar basically closed the
coffin last night. In our text chain, would you say
Superman's dead?
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Superman is dead? Yep, yeah, Superman is dead.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
I mean the Texans they're they're like a unique team,
you know, like I've always said, like I look at
him and I'm like, man, are they doing good this year?
And you look at him and it's like, oh, they're like
at the top of their conference stuff like that. And
last night I think I think I found myself coming
away from that game asking myself the question, is the
(24:53):
Texans defense that good?
Speaker 7 (24:56):
Is it?
Speaker 3 (24:58):
I mean, it looked they look dominant, but then it
But but the whole point was or is Kansas City
just no?
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Are they just not that good? Is I said this before?
Speaker 3 (25:16):
I feel like the fear factor of what the Kansas
City Chiefs represent, even in Arrowhead, is waning, like it's
it's it's it's fading away. I think last night might
have been to me, that's like the nail in the
coffin of it's the end of an era.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
It's it's like, will.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
They be good again? Maybe they'll be good again. Will
they ever be as good as they once were? I
think that that ship has sailed. Andy Reid had his
time and it was an amazing time. Patrick Mahomes had
his time, and it was an amazing time.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
It's over.
Speaker 5 (25:57):
It's over.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
It's over. It's that's it. It's a rap. Johnny godmn,
the movie's over. Like that's the credits are coming up.
Speaker 7 (26:08):
Oh hey, by the way, Coop's clapping by the seat.
I wish people could see Coop. Hey, take a bound.
Speaker 6 (26:13):
He's wearing a Broncos poncho.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
It's a team.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
That's a team, that's a team of the future. Yeah yeah,
I'm just saying, man, go ahead, Coop, go ahead, get
it out.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
This is one of the greatest takes you've ever had.
The arguin you're you're on fire. Keep going. I don't
want to. Hey, listen, I'm looking at the highlights.
Speaker 4 (26:38):
Like.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
There were a lot of drops last night.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
I mean, they didn't help the case of what Patrick
Mahomes could have been if those guys were catching the ball.
I mean, even Kelsey's drop led to a to a
turnover going on everyone.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Oh it's over for Kelsey. He'd been checked out.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
He just getting that checking for a little bit longer.
And then once once he say, I do the numbctuals
like finally one for the good.
Speaker 6 (27:04):
Guys to thanks man five years in Canton.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Guys can go dig too, you know what I mean?
Why not? But anyway, it's over? Why not?
Speaker 3 (27:15):
It's over for the Chiefs though, like their streak is
going to come to an end. It's ended, right, it
was effectively ended last night of them winning a conference title.
It's it's going to end on them going to a playoff,
which ultimately ends what they've been able to accomplish in
the playoffs. I think now you just got to ask
(27:38):
yourself the question is this is this considered to be
a dynasty because what they what they've done, what they've
done is like, to me, it's a rap. So you
got to base it off of what they've already done,
not what they're going to do.
Speaker 6 (27:54):
Yeah, it's a pretty decent run.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
I mean there's always the chance.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
I mean, look, Brady resurfaced and became a winner after
what was it like seven eight years?
Speaker 6 (28:03):
You'd like think about this Patrick Mahomes since he.
Speaker 5 (28:06):
Took gone to Super Bowls and lost, Like that's.
Speaker 7 (28:08):
The difference, Patrick Mahomes since he's taken over as a
starter when he took over for Alex Smith.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
As always.
Speaker 7 (28:15):
At worse, they're in the AFC title game and they
lose it over time.
Speaker 6 (28:20):
At worse, that's all so like this now that at.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Worst has gone really really really like like far away
from there.
Speaker 7 (28:30):
At worst Yeah, now at worst is we're not making
the playoffs this year.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Yeah, and we're actually considered to not be a good team.
Speaker 7 (28:37):
At worse, it's just been a while since offensively they've
looked decent consistently, Like there's been a couple of games,
but it's been a while since they've looked okay and
a consistently good offense. It feels like the defense has
(28:57):
been carrying that this because aired b enemy man up top.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Yeah yeah, damn up. What they had not been the
same since Eric Benemy. It's no time to say it.
Speaker 7 (29:07):
And by the way, Eric enemy running backs coach in
Chicago for the Bears, why they run the ball, that's right.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
I mean the Bears is on fire this year.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
I mean they let it get away yesterday but I'll
tell you what, it was a hell of a game
and it's fun. It was a fun game. It was
finally a fun game to watch Green Bay and the Bears.
How about that? Just I was I was waiting for
cut to jump on it. I know he was ready
to jump on it. Are you ready to jump on it?
Speaker 5 (29:33):
He's right? Think about it. They have not won a
Super Bowl h and more than one year after Pan
to me left.
Speaker 6 (29:43):
Yeah, it's a great point.
Speaker 5 (29:44):
I mean they waned the year after he left. It
went again in twenty twenty four, So you could say, like,
was Eric Vietemy the reason for their success?
Speaker 2 (29:55):
He was part of doubt, he was part of it.
Speaker 5 (29:57):
That's he was part of it, without a doubt. He
was part of it.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Yeah, a lot of people tried to minimize him and
say red it was Andy Reid, it's.
Speaker 5 (30:06):
Andy Reid, It's Patrick Mahomes up top, Yeah, up top.
But meanwhile, all they've done since he's left is go
to the Super Bowls.
Speaker 7 (30:13):
So yeah, on befa Alfa, Brady and I would like
to revisit the Babe.
Speaker 6 (30:19):
Ruth for Patrick Mahomes trade. M hmm, we'd like to
revisit that please.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
No, we're going to well, we're keeping. We're keeping, babe, Ruth.
You guys got Patrick Mahomes, you want to revisit?
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Why wait? We got Jordan Love though, so don't worry.
Speaker 5 (30:35):
We want Patrick Mahomes. I thought we want we want
my homes.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Yeah, y'all did. That's why. That's why we trade it.
Speaker 6 (30:40):
Not after last night.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
See, Jonas is trying to treat yall like Notre Dame.
You know what I mean, trying to treat you I
like your alma mater.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Today. I wanted you to who's y'all? Well, yeah, is
the Notre Damers.
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Speaker 2 (31:21):
Good morning, Hill.
Speaker 4 (31:23):
I was expecting a lot of Brady Quinn smoke in
the last Yesterday. I wanted to see why is it.
Speaker 5 (31:29):
What I'm not like going after guys and be look
at bozoy clown. I'm just like stating facts. I don't
know why people think that's like being uh, you know,
smoke or like going after it with people.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
About what guy's not playing in the bowl.
Speaker 5 (31:44):
Game, which again you've always said that, so you know, to.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
Ask you that that's what that's what the amazing thing
is you finally have come over to my thought.
Speaker 5 (31:53):
First off, I've never I've never disagreed with you. We've
talked about that in regards to like the playoffs one thing,
but not like these exhibition games.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
Right, that's all they are exhibition games exactly.
Speaker 5 (32:05):
And I've said that with you. Yeah, I'll put it
this way. I'll put it this way. I really thought
you were going to get on and make this statement,
which you have not so far, but you will. When
college football, which is the pageantry of the history, the
history of the tradition, all that, there's so many really
cool things about it. This is the ugly part about
it now is when you compare it to what the
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NFL is, outside of the fact that it's you know,
bigger markets and all that stuff, is the NFL actually
is able to determine like they're champion in a manner
that like there's no disputing it. Everyone pretty much agrees
with it. Maybe we'd say, like, hey, if you win
your division with a losing record, maybe you shouldn't host homefield.
I don't know, But for the most part, it's a
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format that we all agree with. I don't know that
anyone's ever been happy with the playoff at four teams
twelve teams regardless. So this is the one ugly part
I think of college football that NFL easily has over
college football.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
But yeah, you went in on the field and you
don't have a you don't have a beauty pageant, judges
deciding who goes and who doesn't.
Speaker 5 (33:07):
I mean that's that's or or another way of putting it.
You don't have like Las Vegas and Cleveland and get
a couple of spots to play in the playoffs when
they're already out of it kind of you know what
I'm saying, Like like a lesser level team getting in
where you know they're not gonna have any shot at winning.
It's just like, hey, we're glad you had a great season.
Let's see how things go here.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
Look and this this isn't I know you're taught not
talking just because Notre Dame got left out, because by
the way, Notre Dame should be in. Alabama should be out, period,
end of story. That's the way it should be.
Speaker 5 (33:36):
As Obama fan, most people watch the games, they go, yeah,
this BAMA team is not a Nick Saban Damita team.
They're not very good.
Speaker 4 (33:43):
I'm sorry, No, and the quarterback is regressed in a
big way in the last five weeks and can't start
it on. It should be Notre Dame and Miami. But
if you really want to get down to it, let
me come on, James Madison and Tulane. If you were
having the true playoff, they wouldn't be in. That's the reality.
You know. You get.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Shot, they fired, shake, grenade thrown.
Speaker 4 (34:04):
Well, I mean, seriously, this isn't.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
This isn't special seasons can't be rewarded with having an
opportunity to see.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
I am thoroughly intrigued.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
To see if they get their asses beat like everybody
thinks they are, or they pull off an upset somebody
at some point, at some at some point, somebody's going
to have an upset. I'm just saying somebody's gonna I
would love for it.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
It'd be like in the old days when they used
to have the Cinderella in March.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Man.
Speaker 4 (34:36):
If they win a game in the first round and
they get plastered by forty the next week, I mean,
come on, it doesn't work. And you do you think
James Madison or tou Lane as a shot.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Do you seriously they're there. They aren't the right to
be there, aren't the right everybody.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
Hey, listen, you gotta wake up, and you gotta put
one foot down on the floor, one out down, one
out of time, just like the other team does. Just
like the other team does.
Speaker 4 (35:02):
They barely won their championship the other night. I mean,
come on, and it shouldn't.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Be, but they want it.
Speaker 5 (35:08):
We'll also point out this to LeVar that I don't
know if he's aware again. Ole Miss played you know,
this matchup already this season where they saw the outchey
you said.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
It, They realized they get they get another go at it,
They get to redeem themselves. What if they go out
there and spank them boys like.
Speaker 5 (35:29):
Join the AC and they wipe the floor of the
a C every year and they get the automatic bid
who's that who? As I'm saying, like a team's basically
you just join a lower yet one repeated and then
they go in every year.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
You're right, it's a bad it's a bad system. We
know that. And it's and and the whole college football
system is bad.
Speaker 5 (35:47):
Right now, let's let's not get ahead of ourselves. Because
LeVar said something Pete that I think you're gonna love.
He believes that the Chiefs are done. That's a rep
put a fork him is he's calling it. He's who
man seth Rickersham esque like calling the Patriots before they
actually were truly done. But LeVar is calling them put
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a fork and un they're done.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
They're done, wait done this year or done period?
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Done forever? Done?
Speaker 4 (36:13):
Oh my god, that's ridiculous. They still mahomes Are you serious?
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Non Superman is dead?
Speaker 4 (36:20):
Bruh, Okay, let me ask you this. Let me ask
you this. That's a pretty good Texans defense, right they
played with dout three offensive lineman really good and they
still had a chance, they still had a real chance
to win that game. They're done forever, LeVar?
Speaker 2 (36:34):
At what point?
Speaker 3 (36:35):
At what point do we don't LeVar me like like like, oh,
my gosh. Your point is, hey, look here, Pete. I
said it, and I mean it what I see down
that Kansas City Chiefs game was a must win game
for them. I've said it all along. The fair factor
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of the Kansas City Chiefs. The mastique has worn out,
it has run its course.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
Look at the tread. If you put a quarter.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
In there and you can see the the head of
George Washington, you need a new tire. This team's tires
are bolting. It's done. It's done. The Kansas City Chiefs
ran it must win at home and you can't win
in Kansas City Kingdom.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
It's done.
Speaker 4 (37:25):
Well, they're done it. They're probably done this year. But
done as in done with number fifteen playing quarters. Yes
they're done.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
Yes, done as in done, as in the code has
been cracked, and now that their defense isn't bailing them
out so that people can continue to talk about how
good Patrick Mahomes is when he's been bailed out the
last couple of years by the defense to begin with, Yes,
even Patrick Mahomes, it is done.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
Done. Put a fork in to make sure.
Speaker 4 (37:56):
Let's make sure you clip this in about five years
from that, let's pull it back out again and then
we can all laugh in LaVar strace how about that?
Speaker 3 (38:04):
And you know what this is media. So I don't
care like if it changes. If three four years from
now they become a good team again, I'll lie. I'll
just say you know what I said, that they would
be back all along, that's all. I don't have, no problem.
I can have revisionist history. It's two three years from.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
Now, LeVar, I'm joking.
Speaker 3 (38:30):
I am joking, but I am not joking about them
being done. They are done, just.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
So clear probably done.
Speaker 4 (38:36):
They're probably done this year, but they're not done, done, done,
not as long as quarterback you're out of your mind.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
That's a safe it's a safe assessment. Pete.
Speaker 7 (38:44):
Let me ask you about another team that I think
is not only done this year, but has put themselves
in a tough spot. So when the Colts made the
move to trade for sauce Gardner and they gave up
what they gave up to get him, the thought was,
you know, we're pretty much going all in this year.
Then Daniel Jones has a broken fibula, then he tears
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his achilles, sauce Gardner is banged up. Now that feels
like they really rolled the dice, and if you compare
their first half of the season to what the second
half has looked like so far, they're also not going
to make the playoffs and have set themselves back with
the moves they made for years to come.
Speaker 4 (39:22):
It feels like, yeah, they're done. And by the way,
they were going to have a tough time whether Daniel
Jones was in the lineup anyways. I mean, I thought
they were going to lose yesterday and you know, he
threw a terrible interception to start the game. And then
look at their schedule. I mean they went they were
going to Seattle next week, They have the Niners and
the Texans left. I mean, the schedule is just brutal.
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And so I thought they were done anyways, but now
with him not being there, they're really done. And here's
the other part of it. You talk about that trade
for Sauce Gardner. You know, the last time the Colts
won the division, Andrew Luck was the quarterback. Every team
in the division has won it at least twice since
they've last won it. So if you look at Chris
Ballard and what he's done, I think that you know,
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you make that move because you are all in and
now you're all in and you don't have those draft picks,
so they have big problems, no question about it. You know,
I don't. You guys know an Achilles better than me.
But it's easy get to play next year with that?
Can he play next.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
That's what I was saying. He walked off the field though,
so I don't know. That's and we I brought that
up earlier. I don't know the severity of the tier.
I think it all depends on the severe If he
fully ruptured it, that's going to take a little while.
Speaker 5 (40:32):
That's I do believe that's gonna ask. I don't know
the severity either. But it's kind of like an a
c l if it's partially torn or fully torn. Aren't
you just going back and reattaching regardless, Like it's you
have surgery, You.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
Do have it.
Speaker 3 (40:45):
No, you do have to re It's different if you
have to pull it down out of the calf muscle.
Speaker 7 (40:51):
Pete LeVar said earlier that it's going to take Dana
Jones longer to come back because he's white.
Speaker 6 (40:56):
What are your thoughts?
Speaker 5 (40:57):
Yeah, he said he doesn't recover as well.
Speaker 4 (41:00):
Nor is the idea, what the hell he's doing.
Speaker 5 (41:04):
Is a better show.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
The fact that you went went along with what they
just did, and you you you said that about me.
The way you did it shows what our relationship dynamic
is be. You know what, you'll sell me out. I
get it now, all right, I got you, I get it.
Speaker 5 (41:20):
You get uncomfortable.
Speaker 4 (41:22):
I thought they were trying to stir the poduct, all right,
and here you get uncomfortable.
Speaker 5 (41:26):
Can we talk about the Jaguars though?
Speaker 4 (41:29):
Yeah? What about them?
Speaker 5 (41:29):
I mean, you are the mayor of Jacksonville. You could see,
you know, their coaches fired up after the game. Trevor
Lawrence playing better in a sloppy, sloppy weather game.
Speaker 6 (41:40):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (41:40):
I just talk to me about your Jaguars, Man nine
and four bawling right now.
Speaker 4 (41:44):
Well, they're not my Jaguars. But the reality is is
that they're going to win the division and and and
they're gonna have a chance to be the number two seed.
They go to Denver in a couple of weeks. In
that game could decide who's the number two seeds. So look,
he's done a great job with that team. And one
thing that's kind of I don't know if everybody's overlooking it,
but getting to Kobe Myers has helped the entire offense
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because Trevor Lawrence trusts him, he knows what he's going
to do, he knows where he's going to be. And
not only that, Jakobe Myers has helped Brian Thomas. He's
a pros pro and Brian Thomas is now starting to
make plays. And so I think that offense has come alive.
And you know, defensively they're number one in the league
against the run, and are they that good? And that
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you know, probably not when you look at it, man
the man, they're not, but that guy's done a really
good job Campanelli with that defense. And so look they're
gonna be in a year when nobody's that good. They're
capable of making a little run. Just as like, just
like anybody else in the league. Is who in the
AFC when you look at it on paper, who in
the AFC is a team that you fear? Do you
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fear the Patriots or the Broncos?
Speaker 6 (42:48):
Hoston Houston? Know that's Houston.
Speaker 5 (42:54):
Houston will give you problems and is going to give.
Speaker 2 (42:57):
A lot of we got problem you stad.
Speaker 4 (43:02):
But I mean, but Jacksonville led that by nineteen in
the fourth quarter about a month ago and blew the game. Look,
there's no great team. I think it's going to be
the most wide open AFC playoffs we seen it a
long time, and probably even in the NFT.
Speaker 5 (43:15):
Can we talk about the Eagles then, because we got
a Monday night football matchup tonight. It feels like their
backs are somewhat against the wall the way they've been
playing of late. But you can make maybe the same
case about the Chargers. Give us a little preview of
how you have picked this game, how you see a
plan out.
Speaker 4 (43:31):
Yeah, I think the Eagles are gonna win that game.
I think the Chargers you talked about the Chargers are
in trouble. The Chargers are in trouble. Line you know,
I mean they're desperate. Yeah, the offensive line the mess
and they you know, they put the salary in at
left tackle last week and he did a better job
than everybody else who played over there. But they still
have major issues on the offensive line. Plus you know, Brady,
you would know this better than me. But the hand injury,
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how is that going to impact him when he's being Yeah,
and so it changes the way you play a little bit.
I think the Eagles they've had. Obviously, they got blown
off the ball last week against the Bears. I mean
they were just hammered in the run game. And now
you've got to go back out and play a team
that really doesn't run the ball very well. So I
think that place to them, even without Jalen Carter, I
think the offense will get going. Give the ball to Barkley.
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Gives the ball to Barkley, Give the ball to Barkley.
Stop with the receivers complaining and you know, moping, even
when they catch eight for one point thirty. I mean,
just stop it and go give the ball to Barkley.
You go win the game. I think the Eagles win
the game. I think they're the more physical team tonight.
Speaker 6 (44:28):
Pete Presco joining us here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
Go ahead, no good, Pete.
Speaker 7 (44:34):
The Tampa Bay Buccaneers, who you spoke glowingly about in
your training camp tours before the year, look like a
shell of themselves as well too.
Speaker 6 (44:46):
I don't know what the hell.
Speaker 7 (44:48):
That was against New Orleans or were they eight and
a half point favorites or something along those lines at
home ending up losing outright. But now all of a
sudden they find themselves in a fight in a division
they should have walked through with the Carolina Panthers. What
do you make of the Tampa Bay struggles.
Speaker 4 (45:04):
Yeah, I think Baker Mayfield's hurt and at worse than
he's leading on. And because since he's been hurt, you
know officially, which happened in the Rams game, he hadn't
played very well. And I think he got hurt in
the forty nine Ers game before that, and just you know,
he starts a competitor at times he's not going to
come out. I heard he didn't even want to come
out of the Rams game and he was you know,
couldn't even throw the football. So I think he's hurt
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not playing well. I think the injuries have taken their
toll in a lot of ways. I mean, yesterday played
without worst at left tackle. He's one of the best
in the business, didn't play. They've been playing without the
right guard all year. They had it, you know, early
in the season, they didn't have anybody on that offensive line.
He was supposed to play in their normal position. Mike
Evans isn't there. And that's the thing about Mike Evans,
you know, I asked one time during the summer I
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asked Baker about it, and he said, look, our offense.
You know what our offense is Mike Evans in the
run game. Mike Evans in the run game, and Mike
Evans isn't there, and that changes the whole dynamic of
their offense. And defensively, they don't rush the passer well enough.
You know, they thought Reddick would come in there and
really cuse it up, and he hasn't and he's been time.
So here's the thing. Get win the two games against Carolina.
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You're in the playoffs. Get ready for the playoffs. That's
as simple as it is for them, and they could
win it different ways. But if they win two games
against Carolina and they play them the two weeks, once
at Carolina and then at the end of the year
at home, they'll be in the playoffs. And it's all
about getting right for the playoffs. And by then you
should have Mike Evans back.
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