December 16, 2025 • 43 mins
In Hour 2 of the show today, the guys discuss about the whole JJ McCarthy griddy dancing before a TD and why that is a bad look. Plus, the guys talk Phillip Rivers still starting, another edition of FSR IR, and more!
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two pros FSR and subscribe. A little bookkeeping here on
the show, Patrick Mahomes, we discussed this. The story going
(01:42):
around yesterday was that he was getting a second opinion
on surgery from the Dallas Cowboys team physition, knowing.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Us with purposely botch his surgery if he came back
to get the surgery.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
That's true. He did, in fact last night get the
surgery done. They repaired and it was the Cowboys team
physician who did it. It was the ACL and then
the LCL. So those that's even more reason to be
offended Hunt and so he wanted to get this thing
wrapped up because the story going around yesterday was he
was going to get it done later this week, but
(02:14):
he said, screw it, get it done right away, get
the rehab process started. Jason Tatum did the same thing
with his achilles got it almost immediately. So now Patrick
Mahomes is on the road to recovery and hoping to
be back next year. I would assume. I mean, look,
everybody's enough time for him to make it back. Yeah,
(02:36):
I don't know that he's back right at the start
of the year.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
If his clock starts now and it's December, so we're
in month twelve twelve, but we're midway through, so let's
just start at one, one, two, three, four.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Six. He's got seven months. I think I think he
starts next year on the IR which is four.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Gad that's very possible. But you're saying October seven months
from now, that's July, Well that's July.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Yeah. But it's more towards like the nine ten month range,
isn't it.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
I think it's like six to seven six, six to seven,
pretty quick, six seven.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Six to seven. Oh no, it's pretty quick, six sevenven.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
It's just so stupid anyway. Yeah, it's like a six
to seven month deal. Most most major surgeries, it takes
you six to seven months to get back up up
to speed on being able to do athletic work, power work,
strength work, like where it's like you're running and doing
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agility and stuff like that, like six months.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Also, you know what, we can stop showing the replay
of the knee injury like it was. It was bad,
we got it, like they keep showing Mike. Just stop.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
They keep showing Patrick mahomess too. I know, it's such.
It just seemed like it was such a casual play,
Like I wouldn't have gave that a season ending injury
on the Patrick Mahomes one.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Really, it just didn't seem like I'm.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Just saying, like the the casual nature of which he
was moving and then the way the tackle took place,
it just I wouldn't have It just didn't seem like
it was heading towards that.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
You know what. You know what I've noticed about kind
of on top of but a little bit off topic.
People are so educated and by people. I mean, when
you watch a game now, anybody listening to this show
right now, whether it's on the podcast or live right
now with us here on FSR, we're so educated on
(04:56):
injuries and what an injury looks to be calling it.
When you see it happen achilles, you know immediately yep, yep,
that's an achilles, Like when Micah suffered the knee injury.
I saw the outside of his knee. ACL. Yep, you
just like we've we've we've been around this for so
long that everybody just sort of knows and just just
(05:16):
from viewing it. There was a moment years ago where
you knew that the UFC had gotten to another level
because they too. These guys are fighting. They you know,
they get to their feet and you have the crowd
start chanting knee because they knew in that moment the
guy's got to throw a knee just because they had
(05:36):
watched it so much. They were so knowledgeable on the event,
on the game, on the sport at that point because
they had taken it in and been around it for
so long. We've been around the NFL and been around
sports for so long. You can identify injury or not.
I've been around it so long. I know how to
treat it. You're a doctor. I can diagnose and treat.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Me. Like, oh, yeah, all you need I've heard you
do the Voltaian reads like, yeah, all you need is
a little Voltaaran, get you some ice. Yeah, I'm treating
my back right now as we do the show, Like
I know how to hit it. Like the different sides,
you know, right down the center lower upper, like it's
just just.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
You, just you.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
You start to get an awareness for for things man like,
and that's good.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
It's good to have an.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
Educated fan base, it really is, because it doesn't stop.
It doesn't stop there, It doesn't stop with you know,
just injuries and things like that. Like you see that
education of the fan come out, and what gambling and
and and just their support of players. It's not just
so blind anymore. You know, people don't get to just
(06:51):
say and do what they want to do anymore because
the amount of access to information is so overwhelming. It's
so easy to get to the information that it's you
don't you almost don't have to depend on experts anymore.
And that's why I show like ours is so awesome
to listen to because we're not trying to tell you
(07:12):
we know more than you're. All we're doing is basically
giving you perspective and having a good time with the conversation.
You know, because honestly speaking, if you're looking for the whole,
like breakdown, Q would give you the whole, like I
know my s type of breakdowns you know from time
to time. But you could go to AI and get
(07:32):
the same information he's given you. You can go to
so many different sources and outlets to be able to
get the information where if you can read quickly enough,
if you can type it in quickly enough, and you
could say it with confidence quickly enough, you sound like
you know what you're talking about, even if you're just
regurgitating something that you're reading. So to me, I think
(07:56):
the educational component of sports has really gone up. And
I'll say this, I feel like fantasy football and gambling
all together created the perfect storm to create the want
to do it right. There has to be a want
and a need to do that and be engaged enough
to do it. And I think you know a lot
(08:16):
of times you look at gambling, you look at the
fantasy football factor of it, like could I be a GM,
could I make decisions for a team? Different things like that.
Think it creates a level of like competitiveness and wanting
to know things. So shouts out to those who have
created that want and know, Like you gotta know injuries.
If you're betting, you know, you got to know the information.
(08:38):
If you're you're putting money on the line or you're
building your fantasy football team, like this is common information.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Yeah, and you can tell like I can remember years
ago watching heinz Ward get dinged and then reach down
to feel like his knee or his ankle, and I thought, smart, smart,
that's a smooth move. Like you just you just you
take it in for so long that you're just acquiring
all this knowledge that you can see the human body
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going a certain way and know, oh that that's a
that's a concussion Achilles, that's a concussion, that's an acl
So you know, Patrick Mahomes gets the surgery done by
the Cowboys team physician, gets it done in Dallas, and
he's already off and running.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
You know what else is really different now nowadays, in
this new era of time, is the way we react.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
To things Like a guy gets his leg mangled.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
It's like, oh, yeah, yeah, see it, give us the replay.
Oh we can win the game now. Like you see
a guy get his head knocked off, you'd be like, yeah, help, right,
you see all these different things that took place back
(09:54):
in the day. Somebody get decapitated on like a blind
side block or chop blocked, and you see his leg
just dislocated from the rest of his body, and we
loved it.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
This era is so touch sensitive.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
It's like, somebody gets hit, it's like, oh my josh,
the valance.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Somebody gets hurt. It's like prayer emovis. Oh, I don't understand.
Oh the humanity. I don't understand why this is happening.
Why is this happening?
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Like people really be crashing out and falling apart over
calamity in sport.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
No, if you got money on the game, you don't think,
I say, cl to be intact.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
We yeah, but there's always been money on the games. Yeah,
you know what I mean, Like, there's always been money
on the games. People just like they have been trained
and conditioned to like it's so crazy you see a
big hit in football these days. First of all, it's
it's it's so uncommon anymore to see like big hits
(11:05):
in football. One and then two, it's like when you
see them, it's like you look at the person that
delivered the hit like they're a criminal. Why, oh, that's assault.
He should go to jail for that? Like what wait,
hold on? The one guy got ejected, didn't he get.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Ejected for uh? Tony Jeffers. I didn't think it was
targeting at all. It's that's one of that's that really
pissed me. I can't wait to talk to Dean about that,
because I I don't know that's I mean, that's a
whole nother. I didn't say a whole nother. It's just
coming up later. It's just ridiculous, the whole, the whole targeting.
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God man, it's just strange to me.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Bro.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
That's that's really aggravated, strange to me. We do have
a little bit of good news here though, Okay, some
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(12:16):
He's still gonna play this week. You're gonna play again.
You and Brady fat shamed on the area yesterday. Philip
Rivers will be QB one in Indianapolis in their next game.
Not just what we saw against the Seattle Seahawks, but
on Monday Night football against the Niners. Philip Rivers will
be under center about next week. I mean, Philip is
(12:37):
the start next week? Is that how we should proceed? Okay, yeah,
the starting quarterback. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (12:42):
For him to go out there and do what he
did to put us in a position to win in
a hostile environment after that long of a layoff was
pretty impressive, you know, getting us into the right place,
managing the game. I thought he was phenomenal in that
regard on the sidelines, as a leadership, all those things
that he brings to our team will be beneficial, you know, for.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
All of us. So that was Shane Styke and the
head coach of the Indianapolis Colts. And my big question is, well,
why wouldn't he be like, at this point, what do
you got to lose? You're already in a tough spot.
The season is slipping away. Clearly whatever you saw in
Riley Leonard was not the answer. So, yeah, you bring
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Philip Rivers out of retirement. You know, he restarts his
insurance that you pointed out, and you know, he's got
like fourteen hundred kids, and he's gonna go out there
and he's gonna he's gonna go sling it at home
against the Niners on Monday night. It's gonna be fun,
fun for everybody. I don't know what what it results in,
And I don't know how he's feeling right now, because
it's always it's never the next day when you go
(13:46):
back to work out for the first time in a
long time, it's two days later. That's a real bitch
and a half. So what do you think he's feeling
like right now? I don't think it's two days and
a half at all. I do think it.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
I don't think it's the next day for somebody at
his age that has n't. What do you think his
next hour he's like now, Like I know that Nectar
of the Gods is some bad ass juice. I'll say that,
but but I honestly believe, Yeah, he's he's hurting during
(14:21):
the game. He comes into the game hurting. It's pretty great.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Man.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
I if you asked me my opinion on it, that
told me the season was over, told me the season
was over.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Like season's over for the Colts.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
I mean it's over, like like just just accept we
brought in this old ass player that was retired. He's
been retired for all this time, and he's our best
option at the pro level. At the pro level, done
like done at the quarterback position. Done, Sorry, your season's done.
(14:59):
Like you have you have in your mind you think
you're trying to save your season. In reality you've told
everybody our season is ft done. Yeah, it's closed. Like
what are the conclusion can you come to?
Speaker 1 (15:14):
But I also think, you know, why the hell not, like,
honest to god, what do you have to lose at
this point? And so I look at it as more
of a this is the same organization that brought Jeff
Saturday off a TV desk to coach a team and
how that season go all right, a little lesson done. Yeah,
But it's also the same organization that's, you know, had
(15:37):
bad luck after bad luck moment when it comes to
the quarterback position to where they've tried so many different
things since Andrew Luck decided to bail, and so like, well,
how put that?
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Don't put that evil on Andrew Lucky? I mean, I said, like,
you know, don't put that on Andrew Luck.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
I mean, Abe Lincoln steps up on the sideline and
tells Jacoby Bris said, hey, I'm out of here. It's
like this is the last preseason game. Season starts in
ten days, and you're out, what the hell is going on?
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Andrew Lucky is myb bro. Yeah, Well, as he's a
twenty two I mean class of twenty two. Well, he's
a college football Hall of Famer. He put the Colts
in a pretty tough spot. So because he's greambling, they've
been scrambling. The trouples themselves in horrible I mean to.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Kobe Brissett, Matt Ryan, Carson Wentz, Sam Ellinger, like all
of these quarterbacks have been through. And then the guy
they drafted number four overall who was supposed to be
the quarterback of the funeral and I don't even put
his name out there. The guy got his face caved
in by a workout exercise band that snapped and hit
him back in the mouth, like he literally his face broken. BINX.
(16:44):
If you're this organization, if you're the culture looking around
going it, yeah, we'll sign Philip Rivers. Let me tell
you something, if you played quarterback in the nineteen twenties,
go get a shovel and dig that guy up too,
Like we got to lose. Hey, go dig the owner
while you're at it. Yeah, I mean you said it.
(17:11):
What do you got to lose?
Speaker 3 (17:13):
I mean he does. He does have a Super Bowl.
I mean there's no yeah, he does.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
I just if I'm the Colts, I'm just looking around going, yeah,
he's going to be the starter. Yes, and and we're,
you know, God willing he can get out there for
the next three games. And it's not like, and here's
the one thing I would say about this, it's not
like Philip Rivers got the soft part of the schedule.
You had to play at Seattle first game back, You've
got the Niners at home, and then you've got Jacksonville
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and Houston to close out the year. Yeah, they're playing
pretty good. They're all playing pretty good. Like Houston might
be the scar Houston might be the scariest team in
the AFC, Like that might be the one that you go, yeah,
let's try and avoid them, Like if we could avoid them,
that would be And Philip Rivers has got to deal
with all that. So look, I don't know what this
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turns into. It does feel I'm with you, like the
season's over over, But at least it's going to be
entertaining on the way.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
If you if for some strange reason, you're a Colts
fan and you feel like you still have a chance
after they made this decision.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
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Did you see JJ McCarthy do the gritty when he
is that what you want to call that?
Speaker 3 (22:00):
I think that's what it's called. That's what they were
calling it. Yeah, that's not what the gritty looks like. Yeah,
well that's not what it looks like. Yeah, I mean,
he you know, he he.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Gave his interpretation of what I guess that dance. Yeah,
and you know, apparently he was told not to do
that in practice, and he did it anyways. And so
his head coach, Kevin O'Connell after the game, you know,
spoke about the celebration going into the end zone and
(22:32):
it sounded like this.
Speaker 4 (22:33):
I would say, the finish I would not classify as special.
It was entertaining.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
That's I guess.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
We are in the entertainment business.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
But I would have preferred him.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
To show that that forty time that he likes to
talk about having never run a forty coming out, which
was unique to say the least, But as a guy
who once ran a fast forty and couldn't throw it
very well. I can probably understand why quarterbacks are choosing
to do that these days.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
But yeah, I thought the cell.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
I thought the moment, the action, all those things, and uh,
you know, even I knew the play and I knew
what was happening, and the action.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Was so good.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
I you know, I even had to take a double
take right there.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
And it's awesome moment in the game.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
Uh, he finished strong. It was cringe all the way
up until till the landing.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
It was like, oh, oh, oh, where are you going?
Oh okay, he seemed annoyed. Yeah, it bothered him. Yeah,
Like he seemed annoyed with the idea that he wanted
him to act like he's been there exactly. And I
guess that's the part that I look at and I
(23:43):
don't really I don't understand why JJ McCarthy doesn't see
the overall big picture because he's Look, he's probably excited.
He's played better. He has played better. That was a
really good game for him. And there's been a lot
of people questioning the vite King's decision to want to
go with him and let Sam Darnold walk and Daniel
(24:04):
Jones walk and all the stuff that comes along with it, so.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
Weird ass, gritty, non looking, gritty dance going into the
end zone makes all of that, like all of the
bad legitimize and all of the good the nine out
the door, the nine crap, Like he's just being ego.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Being sarcastic. You're being serious.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
I'm being sarcastic, Like there's no reason to get caught
up on.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
The fact that the dude did a little celebration going
into this. Yeah, I listen. I don't care so much
about the celebration. It's the fact, after all the noise
and all the discussion about like why do you have
an alter ego? Why do you like this isn't going well,
It hasn't gone well. This is way worse than anybody
expected it to be. He was he was instructed not
(24:52):
to do it in practice and still went out in
the game and did it. I can understand why. Kevin
O'Connell's like, what do we do? Like why why? Why
is this happening? Like way too string a couple of
a few games together before you're out there, you know,
going rogue and doing some you know, candy ass dance
into the end zone.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
I just think there's different strokes for different folks, and
if that's how your coach feels, then you have to
be aware and cognizant of what your coach is feeling.
I will say this in twenty twenty five, and I've
said this quite a bit to you, guys. People are
(25:35):
different these days. Guys are very very different. Touched they
touched man. And at the end of it, when you
think about what type of people you're dealing with in
these scenarios, I would much rather support and put wind
(25:58):
in his wings and make him feel like he can
beat the world. I would not do anything that would
place or create any type of doubt in his mind.
If in that moment that's what he felt he wanted
to do, I'm gonna be up in his face like, boom,
(26:20):
hit them shoulder pads, hit the arms, like that's what
I'm talking about, Like, let's keep it going, nine, let's
go nine. Gosh yeah yeah. And you know that you
wouldn't be able to be a good coach. And I'm
gonna tell you why, because if you can't bring that
type of assurance and reassurance and belief value to your
(26:44):
team and to your players, especially your quarterback who has struggled,
then they're probably going to continue to struggle. They're probably
trying to figure out how to find what the proper
you know, level of even play good footing on what
it is that they're doing. And a lot of it
is based off of interpretation. If I see my coach
(27:07):
hyped up and listen, maybe he was. Maybe he was
during the game. I don't, I don't. I didn't pay
attention to it that close, but just listening to the
way he spoke about it, I think he was speaking
with a lot of sarcasms. So I don't think that
it's that big of a deal. But I'm just saying
for the sake of conversation, when you have a young.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Player, and even if you have an old head player, like,
it's no.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
Different than how a jockey rides a horse like and
people may have got you just compare athletes to a horse.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
We horses.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Horses are athletes, by the way, but you gotta know
how to motivate your horse. Some horses are younger, and
they're more spry, they're more like energetic and like ready
to go, and they're up in the gate and it's.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Like come on, like let's let's get it.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Then you got the old heads that that are up
in there and they're tours the end and and you gotta, like,
you gotta cisele them.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
You got, you gotta get them pumped.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
Up, you got, you gotta, But you can't do it
in a way where they shoot their gun while they're
still waiting to be released from the gate start the race.
It's the same thing with your players. You gotta know
how to handle your players. If you got a player
that's a young, spry player, then you got to figure
out how to get him running the race the way
you need him to run the race, hit the corners,
(28:26):
and then have enough for for the home stretch to
get across the finish line.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
You got an old.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
Head out there, you gotta know how to get him
motivated enough to stay close and then really really really
push them almost to death to get you to that
finish line to get the results you're seeking. If you
don't have the character traits and the energy and the
IQ balance and in the IQ of emotions and mental
(28:55):
you cannot coach in this day and age.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
You cannot. It would be malpractice of coaching.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
If you're an old school style coach, f you you
stupid mother, like bro kats ain't going for that these days.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
If you were coaching, since I'm not a good coach.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
Said I said that that should.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Because that was riddled with racial undertones. Wow you yeah,
and so am I. And you attacked me and said
I couldn't be a good coach. Oh Goshi And that
was full of racial undertones. Okay, but you. But the
point is he if if somebody, if you told a
player that you were coaching, do not do this in
(29:43):
a game, and they went ahead and did it afterwards,
and then after the game the player said, yeah, I
was told not to do that, but it just made
me want to do it more. That wouldn't piss you
off as a coach. Jaj McCarthy said, I was more
advised to do it. Can we start Can we start here?
Can start here? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (30:01):
Why are you telling him don't do it? He's a pro.
Why are you telling him don't gritty into the into
the end zone?
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Because he sucked majority of the season and he's out
there with monikers and aliases and I'm nine and I'm
this and I'm that. Dude, just string together a few
games before we start dancing like like all and by
the way, So don't be yourself until you've you've done
enough to be yourself.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
Yeah, okay, so you're okay with the results of telling
your your starting quarterback to not be himself. I would
like my stary, do you want him to give you
the results of what it would take to be himself.
I would like my starting quarterback to have enough self
awareness to go, hey, before I start eating dessert, and
maybe I should go ahead and eat my dinner and
(30:51):
eat my vegetables, and before I start out there and
start running around with the greed.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
What if your player comes in.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
What if your player comes in and dessert was always
what they started with, and then they eat this food after.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
So, because he came from Michigan, where he was sort
of a lot of people have assumed along for the ride,
not so much the reason they won, but he was
a guy that was there.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
He was a part of the reason why they won. Okay,
I've seen him play. I meant he made plays for
them when they needed play.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
And here's here's the thing. He's shown moments where you're like,
all right, Like he can throw the ball, he's got
athleticism like all of that stuff. But the problem is
when you think of JJ McCarthy this year, here's what
you think of nine the gritty, Like, it's just that's
what you think of You mean to tell me when
(31:43):
people when JJ McCarthy struggles that, people don't pull out
the the nine comments like, it's like that's the part
I don't und I do not get, but understand this.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
He's the starting quarterback for a National Football League team.
Sure he's going to get scrutiny the situation, the way
he went out with the injury last year, the way
Sam Darnold played last year, the way he's playing this year.
That team is going to receive scrutiny. That player in
(32:18):
particular is going to receive scrutiny. Sure, you can't base
what you do off of what people say about you.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
You cannot do.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
Things differently based off of what the noise of criticisms
logged your way, like. You can't allow that to dictate
who you are. That's why it's kind of like for me,
I get you like entertained it. You know, I get
that the coach entertained it, but shut it down because
(32:54):
you have a player in development that's trying to find
his way as a young player that could ultimately hold
your job.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
In the literally in his hand.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
Yeah, with every single time he's making a decision on
the field. Build him up and defend him and protect him.
That's what you do. Don't baby him. I'm not saying
baby him, which that interpretation isn't for the outside world anyway.
But what you do is you shield your team, not
(33:30):
just one player. You shield your team, and you always
make sure that as a coach, your team knows that
they are what's most important to him, not the media,
not the fans, not anything else. You are my guys,
and I will defend that, and I will protect that.
(33:53):
Let's do this together. If players feel that, especially in
twenty twenty five, if players feel like you could ask, like,
do a survey, go ask random football players in the
National Football League in college if they feel as though
they're in an environment where it's a love environment, where
it's a family environment, where people care about one another environment,
(34:17):
they are going to generally give you a better effort.
You are going to see a better product. The problem is,
we say it but a lot and it's crazy to
watch it play out, but there are a lot of
people that are incapable of being able to create an
(34:38):
environment where guys actually care about one another, where you
actually had your teammates or your players that you coach
feeling as though they matter. Like it's very difficult for
people to be a My kid had us. My kid
(34:58):
this year had a coach that didn't even say hello
to the players, didn't talk to them, didn't build a
relationship on a personal level, total disconnect. Worst I seen
this defense. Look since I've been watching them play. Worst
I've ever seen Penn State's defense. Look since I've been
watching them play. You have a leader. You have a
(35:20):
leader that doesn't even speak, doesn't even imagine if we
did a show Jonas and I don't even.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
Speak to you, Oh god, that'd be awesome.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
Okay, well, let's try damn treat you like a little bitch.
Jam Damn.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
You'll get better.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
You'll get better results with sugar than what you will
get with vinegar.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
And again this is it's not gonna make or break
the guy's career. I just look at it and I go, dude,
can you just wait until we string together some success
before we start dancing and coming up with monikers and aliases? Say, okay,
you don't go to church, all right? Every week.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
No you shout now because the war has already been won.
Oh man, yeah, you don't go to church. Man, it's
the holiday season, they say, Jesus is the reason for
the season. Like, man, you don't even be subscribing. I
got news for you. You talking about wait for Jesus
to bring you a miracle before you dance? Why you
dancing before GD?
Speaker 4 (36:21):
Like?
Speaker 3 (36:21):
So you're not a believe You don't believe. What you're
basically saying is I don't believe. Well, I'll tell you this.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
There's gonna be plenty of time to go to church
in Minnesota because your Sundays are going to open up
here real quick. And it doesn't involve the playoffs. So amen.
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(38:52):
the NFL moving forward. We'll get into that for you
here on FSR. But Arch Manning he's going to be back.
He is coming back to Texas. He will be there
for the twenty twenty sixth season. So Texas and Arch
Manning get to go through the the unrealistic expectations for
him leading into the year for yet another year therefore
(39:14):
for the Texas Longhorns as we get ready for that
unrealistic well, come on, man, he was going to be great, Well,
he could be great, But the way that people were
talking about him after two starts going into the year,
it felt like he was putting a really tough spot,
like he was put in a tough spot that he
was never going to be able to live up to
all that stuff.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
So as much as given, much as required, if he
wasn't who he is, you have to ask the question,
is he receiving the type of attention that he receives,
And the easy answer would most likely be no. I mean,
it's not every day you have two uncles that are
Super Bowl champs. One's a Hall of Famer at the
(39:57):
highest of levels, some would even consider the greatest quarterback
of all time. And you have another uncle that beat
arguably the greatest quarterback of all times twice in the
Super Bowl and is a Super Bowl MVP and is
potentially going to be a Hall of Famer. You're going
(40:18):
to get the scrutiny that comes along with the position,
and then you got to ramp it all the way
up to.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
A whole bunch of other levels.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
Of scrutiny and attention because you are from the tutelage
and from the legacy line of Mannings. Not to mention,
I ain't even mentioned Granddad, who got the whole thing started. Grandaddy,
your granddaddy was all that. You don't think that Arch.
You don't think Arch put that pressure on Peyton and
(40:50):
Eli when they were playing. Even the dad, right, what's
the daddy's name again? He's the oldest Cooper, Cooper, he's
the daddy.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
Yeah, I mean, I don't, I don't.
Speaker 3 (41:04):
I don't like pressure. Pressure is a privilege, man, And
everybody doesn't handle pressure the right way. Everybody doesn't see
pressure as a privilege, but it really is. And how
you handle that is what ultimately defines the measure of
the person that you are. And those who are able
to handle the pressure over and over again and produce,
(41:27):
they're the ones that you see have success. And some
people don't handle it well, and generally speaking, they're not
They don't have the same type of outcomes and results
of the people that are able to handle it. So
I think he can handle the pressure. So I don't
think that it's something that we know has put on
him where he can't handle the pressure and produce.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
The one thing I did like about his demeanor is
that he never seemed like and it probably does have
to do with what you're alluding to, where look who
he grew up with like who he grew up around.
Look at all that stuff, but the one thing that
was like he never seemed like he was he was
too big for anything. He never like he's he's. He
carried himself in a way that was like, yeah, I'm strung.
(42:10):
He owned you know, his struggles. He tried to work
through it. There's been a lot of speculation about was
he even healthy this year, that he was dealing with
something that looked a little off. But he is going
to be back for Texas next year. Dylan Rayola, the
Nebraska quarterback, is entered the transfer portal. Same with Legway,
the Florida quarterback. Dan Portal, Man, it's real out there
(42:35):
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the show, Patrick Mahomes, we discussed this. The story going
(01:42):
around yesterday was that he was getting a second opinion
on surgery from the Dallas Cowboys team physition, knowing.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Us with purposely botch his surgery if he came back
to get the surgery.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
That's true. He did, in fact last night get the
surgery done. They repaired and it was the Cowboys team
physician who did it. It was the ACL and then
the LCL. So those that's even more reason to be
offended Hunt and so he wanted to get this thing
wrapped up because the story going around yesterday was he
was going to get it done later this week, but
(02:14):
he said, screw it, get it done right away, get
the rehab process started. Jason Tatum did the same thing
with his achilles got it almost immediately. So now Patrick
Mahomes is on the road to recovery and hoping to
be back next year. I would assume. I mean, look,
everybody's enough time for him to make it back. Yeah,
(02:36):
I don't know that he's back right at the start
of the year.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
If his clock starts now and it's December, so we're
in month twelve twelve, but we're midway through, so let's
just start at one, one, two, three, four.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Six. He's got seven months. I think I think he
starts next year on the IR which is four.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Gad that's very possible. But you're saying October seven months
from now, that's July, Well that's July.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Yeah. But it's more towards like the nine ten month range,
isn't it.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
I think it's like six to seven six, six to seven,
pretty quick, six seven.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Six to seven. Oh no, it's pretty quick, six sevenven.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
It's just so stupid anyway. Yeah, it's like a six
to seven month deal. Most most major surgeries, it takes
you six to seven months to get back up up
to speed on being able to do athletic work, power work,
strength work, like where it's like you're running and doing
(03:56):
agility and stuff like that, like six months.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Also, you know what, we can stop showing the replay
of the knee injury like it was. It was bad,
we got it, like they keep showing Mike. Just stop.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
They keep showing Patrick mahomess too. I know, it's such.
It just seemed like it was such a casual play,
Like I wouldn't have gave that a season ending injury
on the Patrick Mahomes one.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Really, it just didn't seem like I'm.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Just saying, like the the casual nature of which he
was moving and then the way the tackle took place,
it just I wouldn't have It just didn't seem like
it was heading towards that.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
You know what. You know what I've noticed about kind
of on top of but a little bit off topic.
People are so educated and by people. I mean, when
you watch a game now, anybody listening to this show
right now, whether it's on the podcast or live right
now with us here on FSR, we're so educated on
(04:56):
injuries and what an injury looks to be calling it.
When you see it happen achilles, you know immediately yep, yep,
that's an achilles, Like when Micah suffered the knee injury.
I saw the outside of his knee. ACL. Yep, you
just like we've we've we've been around this for so
long that everybody just sort of knows and just just
(05:16):
from viewing it. There was a moment years ago where
you knew that the UFC had gotten to another level
because they too. These guys are fighting. They you know,
they get to their feet and you have the crowd
start chanting knee because they knew in that moment the
guy's got to throw a knee just because they had
(05:36):
watched it so much. They were so knowledgeable on the event,
on the game, on the sport at that point because
they had taken it in and been around it for
so long. We've been around the NFL and been around
sports for so long. You can identify injury or not.
I've been around it so long. I know how to
treat it. You're a doctor. I can diagnose and treat.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Me. Like, oh, yeah, all you need I've heard you
do the Voltaian reads like, yeah, all you need is
a little Voltaaran, get you some ice. Yeah, I'm treating
my back right now as we do the show, Like
I know how to hit it. Like the different sides,
you know, right down the center lower upper, like it's
just just.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
You, just you.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
You start to get an awareness for for things man like,
and that's good.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
It's good to have an.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
Educated fan base, it really is, because it doesn't stop.
It doesn't stop there, It doesn't stop with you know,
just injuries and things like that. Like you see that
education of the fan come out, and what gambling and
and and just their support of players. It's not just
so blind anymore. You know, people don't get to just
(06:51):
say and do what they want to do anymore because
the amount of access to information is so overwhelming. It's
so easy to get to the information that it's you
don't you almost don't have to depend on experts anymore.
And that's why I show like ours is so awesome
to listen to because we're not trying to tell you
(07:12):
we know more than you're. All we're doing is basically
giving you perspective and having a good time with the conversation.
You know, because honestly speaking, if you're looking for the whole,
like breakdown, Q would give you the whole, like I
know my s type of breakdowns you know from time
to time. But you could go to AI and get
(07:32):
the same information he's given you. You can go to
so many different sources and outlets to be able to
get the information where if you can read quickly enough,
if you can type it in quickly enough, and you
could say it with confidence quickly enough, you sound like
you know what you're talking about, even if you're just
regurgitating something that you're reading. So to me, I think
(07:56):
the educational component of sports has really gone up. And
I'll say this, I feel like fantasy football and gambling
all together created the perfect storm to create the want
to do it right. There has to be a want
and a need to do that and be engaged enough
to do it. And I think you know a lot
(08:16):
of times you look at gambling, you look at the
fantasy football factor of it, like could I be a GM,
could I make decisions for a team? Different things like that.
Think it creates a level of like competitiveness and wanting
to know things. So shouts out to those who have
created that want and know, Like you gotta know injuries.
If you're betting, you know, you got to know the information.
(08:38):
If you're you're putting money on the line or you're
building your fantasy football team, like this is common information.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Yeah, and you can tell like I can remember years
ago watching heinz Ward get dinged and then reach down
to feel like his knee or his ankle, and I thought, smart, smart,
that's a smooth move. Like you just you just you
take it in for so long that you're just acquiring
all this knowledge that you can see the human body
(09:06):
going a certain way and know, oh that that's a
that's a concussion Achilles, that's a concussion, that's an acl
So you know, Patrick Mahomes gets the surgery done by
the Cowboys team physician, gets it done in Dallas, and
he's already off and running.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
You know what else is really different now nowadays, in
this new era of time, is the way we react.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
To things Like a guy gets his leg mangled.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
It's like, oh, yeah, yeah, see it, give us the replay.
Oh we can win the game now. Like you see
a guy get his head knocked off, you'd be like, yeah, help, right,
you see all these different things that took place back
(09:54):
in the day. Somebody get decapitated on like a blind
side block or chop blocked, and you see his leg
just dislocated from the rest of his body, and we
loved it.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
This era is so touch sensitive.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
It's like, somebody gets hit, it's like, oh my josh,
the valance.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Somebody gets hurt. It's like prayer emovis. Oh, I don't understand.
Oh the humanity. I don't understand why this is happening.
Why is this happening?
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Like people really be crashing out and falling apart over
calamity in sport.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
No, if you got money on the game, you don't think,
I say, cl to be intact.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
We yeah, but there's always been money on the games. Yeah,
you know what I mean, Like, there's always been money
on the games. People just like they have been trained
and conditioned to like it's so crazy you see a
big hit in football these days. First of all, it's
it's it's so uncommon anymore to see like big hits
(11:05):
in football. One and then two, it's like when you
see them, it's like you look at the person that
delivered the hit like they're a criminal. Why, oh, that's assault.
He should go to jail for that? Like what wait,
hold on? The one guy got ejected, didn't he get.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Ejected for uh? Tony Jeffers. I didn't think it was
targeting at all. It's that's one of that's that really
pissed me. I can't wait to talk to Dean about that,
because I I don't know that's I mean, that's a
whole nother. I didn't say a whole nother. It's just
coming up later. It's just ridiculous, the whole, the whole targeting.
(11:47):
God man, it's just strange to me.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Bro.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
That's that's really aggravated, strange to me. We do have
a little bit of good news here though, Okay, some
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(12:16):
He's still gonna play this week. You're gonna play again.
You and Brady fat shamed on the area yesterday. Philip
Rivers will be QB one in Indianapolis in their next game.
Not just what we saw against the Seattle Seahawks, but
on Monday Night football against the Niners. Philip Rivers will
be under center about next week. I mean, Philip is
(12:37):
the start next week? Is that how we should proceed? Okay, yeah,
the starting quarterback. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (12:42):
For him to go out there and do what he
did to put us in a position to win in
a hostile environment after that long of a layoff was
pretty impressive, you know, getting us into the right place,
managing the game. I thought he was phenomenal in that
regard on the sidelines, as a leadership, all those things
that he brings to our team will be beneficial, you know, for.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
All of us. So that was Shane Styke and the
head coach of the Indianapolis Colts. And my big question is, well,
why wouldn't he be like, at this point, what do
you got to lose? You're already in a tough spot.
The season is slipping away. Clearly whatever you saw in
Riley Leonard was not the answer. So, yeah, you bring
(13:22):
Philip Rivers out of retirement. You know, he restarts his
insurance that you pointed out, and you know, he's got
like fourteen hundred kids, and he's gonna go out there
and he's gonna he's gonna go sling it at home
against the Niners on Monday night. It's gonna be fun,
fun for everybody. I don't know what what it results in,
And I don't know how he's feeling right now, because
it's always it's never the next day when you go
(13:46):
back to work out for the first time in a
long time, it's two days later. That's a real bitch
and a half. So what do you think he's feeling
like right now? I don't think it's two days and
a half at all. I do think it.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
I don't think it's the next day for somebody at
his age that has n't. What do you think his
next hour he's like now, Like I know that Nectar
of the Gods is some bad ass juice. I'll say that,
but but I honestly believe, Yeah, he's he's hurting during
(14:21):
the game. He comes into the game hurting. It's pretty great.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Man.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
I if you asked me my opinion on it, that
told me the season was over, told me the season
was over.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Like season's over for the Colts.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
I mean it's over, like like just just accept we
brought in this old ass player that was retired. He's
been retired for all this time, and he's our best
option at the pro level. At the pro level, done
like done at the quarterback position. Done, Sorry, your season's done.
(14:59):
Like you have you have in your mind you think
you're trying to save your season. In reality you've told
everybody our season is ft done. Yeah, it's closed. Like
what are the conclusion can you come to?
Speaker 1 (15:14):
But I also think, you know, why the hell not, like,
honest to god, what do you have to lose at
this point? And so I look at it as more
of a this is the same organization that brought Jeff
Saturday off a TV desk to coach a team and
how that season go all right, a little lesson done. Yeah,
But it's also the same organization that's, you know, had
(15:37):
bad luck after bad luck moment when it comes to
the quarterback position to where they've tried so many different
things since Andrew Luck decided to bail, and so like, well,
how put that?
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Don't put that evil on Andrew Lucky? I mean, I said, like,
you know, don't put that on Andrew Luck.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
I mean, Abe Lincoln steps up on the sideline and
tells Jacoby Bris said, hey, I'm out of here. It's
like this is the last preseason game. Season starts in
ten days, and you're out, what the hell is going on?
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Andrew Lucky is myb bro. Yeah, Well, as he's a
twenty two I mean class of twenty two. Well, he's
a college football Hall of Famer. He put the Colts
in a pretty tough spot. So because he's greambling, they've
been scrambling. The trouples themselves in horrible I mean to.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Kobe Brissett, Matt Ryan, Carson Wentz, Sam Ellinger, like all
of these quarterbacks have been through. And then the guy
they drafted number four overall who was supposed to be
the quarterback of the funeral and I don't even put
his name out there. The guy got his face caved
in by a workout exercise band that snapped and hit
him back in the mouth, like he literally his face broken. BINX.
(16:44):
If you're this organization, if you're the culture looking around
going it, yeah, we'll sign Philip Rivers. Let me tell
you something, if you played quarterback in the nineteen twenties,
go get a shovel and dig that guy up too,
Like we got to lose. Hey, go dig the owner
while you're at it. Yeah, I mean you said it.
(17:11):
What do you got to lose?
Speaker 3 (17:13):
I mean he does. He does have a Super Bowl.
I mean there's no yeah, he does.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
I just if I'm the Colts, I'm just looking around going, yeah,
he's going to be the starter. Yes, and and we're,
you know, God willing he can get out there for
the next three games. And it's not like, and here's
the one thing I would say about this, it's not
like Philip Rivers got the soft part of the schedule.
You had to play at Seattle first game back, You've
got the Niners at home, and then you've got Jacksonville
(17:43):
and Houston to close out the year. Yeah, they're playing
pretty good. They're all playing pretty good. Like Houston might
be the scar Houston might be the scariest team in
the AFC, Like that might be the one that you go, yeah,
let's try and avoid them, Like if we could avoid them,
that would be And Philip Rivers has got to deal
with all that. So look, I don't know what this
(18:03):
turns into. It does feel I'm with you, like the
season's over over, But at least it's going to be
entertaining on the way.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
If you if for some strange reason, you're a Colts
fan and you feel like you still have a chance
after they made this decision.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
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Did you see JJ McCarthy do the gritty when he
is that what you want to call that?
Speaker 3 (22:00):
I think that's what it's called. That's what they were
calling it. Yeah, that's not what the gritty looks like. Yeah,
well that's not what it looks like. Yeah, I mean,
he you know, he he.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Gave his interpretation of what I guess that dance. Yeah,
and you know, apparently he was told not to do
that in practice, and he did it anyways. And so
his head coach, Kevin O'Connell after the game, you know,
spoke about the celebration going into the end zone and
(22:32):
it sounded like this.
Speaker 4 (22:33):
I would say, the finish I would not classify as special.
It was entertaining.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
That's I guess.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
We are in the entertainment business.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
But I would have preferred him.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
To show that that forty time that he likes to
talk about having never run a forty coming out, which
was unique to say the least, But as a guy
who once ran a fast forty and couldn't throw it
very well. I can probably understand why quarterbacks are choosing
to do that these days.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
But yeah, I thought the cell.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
I thought the moment, the action, all those things, and uh,
you know, even I knew the play and I knew
what was happening, and the action.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Was so good.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
I you know, I even had to take a double
take right there.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
And it's awesome moment in the game.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
Uh, he finished strong. It was cringe all the way
up until till the landing.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
It was like, oh, oh, oh, where are you going?
Oh okay, he seemed annoyed. Yeah, it bothered him. Yeah,
Like he seemed annoyed with the idea that he wanted
him to act like he's been there exactly. And I
guess that's the part that I look at and I
(23:43):
don't really I don't understand why JJ McCarthy doesn't see
the overall big picture because he's Look, he's probably excited.
He's played better. He has played better. That was a
really good game for him. And there's been a lot
of people questioning the vite King's decision to want to
go with him and let Sam Darnold walk and Daniel
(24:04):
Jones walk and all the stuff that comes along with it, so.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
Weird ass, gritty, non looking, gritty dance going into the
end zone makes all of that, like all of the
bad legitimize and all of the good the nine out
the door, the nine crap, Like he's just being ego.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Being sarcastic. You're being serious.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
I'm being sarcastic, Like there's no reason to get caught
up on.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
The fact that the dude did a little celebration going
into this. Yeah, I listen. I don't care so much
about the celebration. It's the fact, after all the noise
and all the discussion about like why do you have
an alter ego? Why do you like this isn't going well,
It hasn't gone well. This is way worse than anybody
expected it to be. He was he was instructed not
(24:52):
to do it in practice and still went out in
the game and did it. I can understand why. Kevin
O'Connell's like, what do we do? Like why why? Why
is this happening? Like way too string a couple of
a few games together before you're out there, you know,
going rogue and doing some you know, candy ass dance
into the end zone.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
I just think there's different strokes for different folks, and
if that's how your coach feels, then you have to
be aware and cognizant of what your coach is feeling.
I will say this in twenty twenty five, and I've
said this quite a bit to you, guys. People are
(25:35):
different these days. Guys are very very different. Touched they
touched man. And at the end of it, when you
think about what type of people you're dealing with in
these scenarios, I would much rather support and put wind
(25:58):
in his wings and make him feel like he can
beat the world. I would not do anything that would
place or create any type of doubt in his mind.
If in that moment that's what he felt he wanted
to do, I'm gonna be up in his face like, boom,
(26:20):
hit them shoulder pads, hit the arms, like that's what
I'm talking about, Like, let's keep it going, nine, let's
go nine. Gosh yeah yeah. And you know that you
wouldn't be able to be a good coach. And I'm
gonna tell you why, because if you can't bring that
type of assurance and reassurance and belief value to your
(26:44):
team and to your players, especially your quarterback who has struggled,
then they're probably going to continue to struggle. They're probably
trying to figure out how to find what the proper
you know, level of even play good footing on what
it is that they're doing. And a lot of it
is based off of interpretation. If I see my coach
(27:07):
hyped up and listen, maybe he was. Maybe he was
during the game. I don't, I don't. I didn't pay
attention to it that close, but just listening to the
way he spoke about it, I think he was speaking
with a lot of sarcasms. So I don't think that
it's that big of a deal. But I'm just saying
for the sake of conversation, when you have a young.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Player, and even if you have an old head player, like,
it's no.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
Different than how a jockey rides a horse like and
people may have got you just compare athletes to a horse.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
We horses.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Horses are athletes, by the way, but you gotta know
how to motivate your horse. Some horses are younger, and
they're more spry, they're more like energetic and like ready
to go, and they're up in the gate and it's.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Like come on, like let's let's get it.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Then you got the old heads that that are up
in there and they're tours the end and and you gotta, like,
you gotta cisele them.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
You got, you gotta get them pumped.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
Up, you got, you gotta, But you can't do it
in a way where they shoot their gun while they're
still waiting to be released from the gate start the race.
It's the same thing with your players. You gotta know
how to handle your players. If you got a player
that's a young, spry player, then you got to figure
out how to get him running the race the way
you need him to run the race, hit the corners,
(28:26):
and then have enough for for the home stretch to
get across the finish line.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
You got an old.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
Head out there, you gotta know how to get him
motivated enough to stay close and then really really really
push them almost to death to get you to that
finish line to get the results you're seeking. If you
don't have the character traits and the energy and the
IQ balance and in the IQ of emotions and mental
(28:55):
you cannot coach in this day and age.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
You cannot. It would be malpractice of coaching.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
If you're an old school style coach, f you you
stupid mother, like bro kats ain't going for that these days.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
If you were coaching, since I'm not a good coach.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
Said I said that that should.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Because that was riddled with racial undertones. Wow you yeah,
and so am I. And you attacked me and said
I couldn't be a good coach. Oh Goshi And that
was full of racial undertones. Okay, but you. But the
point is he if if somebody, if you told a
player that you were coaching, do not do this in
(29:43):
a game, and they went ahead and did it afterwards,
and then after the game the player said, yeah, I
was told not to do that, but it just made
me want to do it more. That wouldn't piss you
off as a coach. Jaj McCarthy said, I was more
advised to do it. Can we start Can we start here?
Can start here? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (30:01):
Why are you telling him don't do it? He's a pro.
Why are you telling him don't gritty into the into
the end zone?
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Because he sucked majority of the season and he's out
there with monikers and aliases and I'm nine and I'm
this and I'm that. Dude, just string together a few
games before we start dancing like like all and by
the way, So don't be yourself until you've you've done
enough to be yourself.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
Yeah, okay, so you're okay with the results of telling
your your starting quarterback to not be himself. I would
like my stary, do you want him to give you
the results of what it would take to be himself.
I would like my starting quarterback to have enough self
awareness to go, hey, before I start eating dessert, and
maybe I should go ahead and eat my dinner and
(30:51):
eat my vegetables, and before I start out there and
start running around with the greed.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
What if your player comes in.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
What if your player comes in and dessert was always
what they started with, and then they eat this food after.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
So, because he came from Michigan, where he was sort
of a lot of people have assumed along for the ride,
not so much the reason they won, but he was
a guy that was there.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
He was a part of the reason why they won. Okay,
I've seen him play. I meant he made plays for
them when they needed play.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
And here's here's the thing. He's shown moments where you're like,
all right, Like he can throw the ball, he's got
athleticism like all of that stuff. But the problem is
when you think of JJ McCarthy this year, here's what
you think of nine the gritty, Like, it's just that's
what you think of You mean to tell me when
(31:43):
people when JJ McCarthy struggles that, people don't pull out
the the nine comments like, it's like that's the part
I don't und I do not get, but understand this.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
He's the starting quarterback for a National Football League team.
Sure he's going to get scrutiny the situation, the way
he went out with the injury last year, the way
Sam Darnold played last year, the way he's playing this year.
That team is going to receive scrutiny. That player in
(32:18):
particular is going to receive scrutiny. Sure, you can't base
what you do off of what people say about you.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
You cannot do.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
Things differently based off of what the noise of criticisms
logged your way, like. You can't allow that to dictate
who you are. That's why it's kind of like for me,
I get you like entertained it. You know, I get
that the coach entertained it, but shut it down because
(32:54):
you have a player in development that's trying to find
his way as a young player that could ultimately hold
your job.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
In the literally in his hand.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
Yeah, with every single time he's making a decision on
the field. Build him up and defend him and protect him.
That's what you do. Don't baby him. I'm not saying
baby him, which that interpretation isn't for the outside world anyway.
But what you do is you shield your team, not
(33:30):
just one player. You shield your team, and you always
make sure that as a coach, your team knows that
they are what's most important to him, not the media,
not the fans, not anything else. You are my guys,
and I will defend that, and I will protect that.
(33:53):
Let's do this together. If players feel that, especially in
twenty twenty five, if players feel like you could ask, like,
do a survey, go ask random football players in the
National Football League in college if they feel as though
they're in an environment where it's a love environment, where
it's a family environment, where people care about one another environment,
(34:17):
they are going to generally give you a better effort.
You are going to see a better product. The problem is,
we say it but a lot and it's crazy to
watch it play out, but there are a lot of
people that are incapable of being able to create an
(34:38):
environment where guys actually care about one another, where you
actually had your teammates or your players that you coach
feeling as though they matter. Like it's very difficult for
people to be a My kid had us. My kid
(34:58):
this year had a coach that didn't even say hello
to the players, didn't talk to them, didn't build a
relationship on a personal level, total disconnect. Worst I seen
this defense. Look since I've been watching them play. Worst
I've ever seen Penn State's defense. Look since I've been
watching them play. You have a leader. You have a
(35:20):
leader that doesn't even speak, doesn't even imagine if we
did a show Jonas and I don't even.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
Speak to you, Oh god, that'd be awesome.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
Okay, well, let's try damn treat you like a little bitch.
Jam Damn.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
You'll get better.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
You'll get better results with sugar than what you will
get with vinegar.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
And again this is it's not gonna make or break
the guy's career. I just look at it and I go, dude,
can you just wait until we string together some success
before we start dancing and coming up with monikers and aliases? Say, okay,
you don't go to church, all right? Every week.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
No you shout now because the war has already been won.
Oh man, yeah, you don't go to church. Man, it's
the holiday season, they say, Jesus is the reason for
the season. Like, man, you don't even be subscribing. I
got news for you. You talking about wait for Jesus
to bring you a miracle before you dance? Why you
dancing before GD?
Speaker 4 (36:21):
Like?
Speaker 3 (36:21):
So you're not a believe You don't believe. What you're
basically saying is I don't believe. Well, I'll tell you this.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
There's gonna be plenty of time to go to church
in Minnesota because your Sundays are going to open up
here real quick. And it doesn't involve the playoffs. So amen.
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to look like for a couple of young gunslingers in
(38:52):
the NFL moving forward. We'll get into that for you
here on FSR. But Arch Manning he's going to be back.
He is coming back to Texas. He will be there
for the twenty twenty sixth season. So Texas and Arch
Manning get to go through the the unrealistic expectations for
him leading into the year for yet another year therefore
(39:14):
for the Texas Longhorns as we get ready for that
unrealistic well, come on, man, he was going to be great, Well,
he could be great, But the way that people were
talking about him after two starts going into the year,
it felt like he was putting a really tough spot,
like he was put in a tough spot that he
was never going to be able to live up to
all that stuff.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
So as much as given, much as required, if he
wasn't who he is, you have to ask the question,
is he receiving the type of attention that he receives,
And the easy answer would most likely be no. I mean,
it's not every day you have two uncles that are
Super Bowl champs. One's a Hall of Famer at the
(39:57):
highest of levels, some would even consider the greatest quarterback
of all time. And you have another uncle that beat
arguably the greatest quarterback of all times twice in the
Super Bowl and is a Super Bowl MVP and is
potentially going to be a Hall of Famer. You're going
(40:18):
to get the scrutiny that comes along with the position,
and then you got to ramp it all the way
up to.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
A whole bunch of other levels.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
Of scrutiny and attention because you are from the tutelage
and from the legacy line of Mannings. Not to mention,
I ain't even mentioned Granddad, who got the whole thing started. Grandaddy,
your granddaddy was all that. You don't think that Arch.
You don't think Arch put that pressure on Peyton and
(40:50):
Eli when they were playing. Even the dad, right, what's
the daddy's name again? He's the oldest Cooper, Cooper, he's
the daddy.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
Yeah, I mean, I don't, I don't.
Speaker 3 (41:04):
I don't like pressure. Pressure is a privilege, man, And
everybody doesn't handle pressure the right way. Everybody doesn't see
pressure as a privilege, but it really is. And how
you handle that is what ultimately defines the measure of
the person that you are. And those who are able
to handle the pressure over and over again and produce,
(41:27):
they're the ones that you see have success. And some
people don't handle it well, and generally speaking, they're not
They don't have the same type of outcomes and results
of the people that are able to handle it. So
I think he can handle the pressure. So I don't
think that it's something that we know has put on
him where he can't handle the pressure and produce.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
The one thing I did like about his demeanor is
that he never seemed like and it probably does have
to do with what you're alluding to, where look who
he grew up with like who he grew up around.
Look at all that stuff, but the one thing that
was like he never seemed like he was he was
too big for anything. He never like he's he's. He
carried himself in a way that was like, yeah, I'm strung.
(42:10):
He owned you know, his struggles. He tried to work
through it. There's been a lot of speculation about was
he even healthy this year, that he was dealing with
something that looked a little off. But he is going
to be back for Texas next year. Dylan Rayola, the
Nebraska quarterback, is entered the transfer portal. Same with Legway,
the Florida quarterback. Dan Portal, Man, it's real out there
(42:35):
far field game has changed, man by the way, get
tools that perform at the highest level on every job
without compromise. When you shot Makeda at the home depot,
when the job calls for the best colin Mkeita built
to be the best available at the home depot, How
pros get more done up? Next, we have got our
three of the program here and we're going to talk
(42:58):
some gun slingers in the NFL, and it's yours right
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