December 19, 2025 • 42 mins
On this Friday edition of 2 Pros & A Cup Of Joe, the guys recap the Thursday Night game between the Seahawks & the Rams in a thriller and more Puka drama. Plus, the guys discuss a war of attrition for the NFC North and another fun edition of ICYMI!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Two pros and a couple of Joe. Fox Sports Radio,
LeVar Arrington, Jonas Knox with you here. Coming up on
this Football Friday, a black and drag edition of a
Football Friday. We're going to talk about Thursday night football.
To kick things off, the Seattle Seahawks get it done.
They do something never been done in the history of
the franchise. We will discuss and what does it mean
moving forward for the Rams and why Sean mcvagh having
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to clean up Pookaakua's mess. We'll get into that conversation.
We're also going to talk about the War of Attrition
in the NFL. There's a big game and a lot
of missing parts coming up this weekend. We will have
the very latest on a potential return from one quarterback
in the NFL. Probably not, but he thinks he could
do it. Nick Saban has thoughts and he is airing
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out the little guy when it comes to the world
of college football. Plus, we've got another edition of incase
you missed it. We've got our picks against the spread
for Week sixteen, and we've got the leftovers.
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And that was a hell of a game last night
in the NFC West between the Seattle Seahawks and the
Los Angeles Rams.
Speaker 6 (03:15):
Again, I think that that could be the two best
teams in the NFC. And listen, I'll tell you what
if I'm the Rams, what I'm most concerned about is
that the Seahawks didn't even play that well on offense.
They weren't even that good on offense, you know, Sam
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Darnold did not have an amazing game.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Wow. On on the other side of it, what no, what,
I don't know. It's papers for yours their own mind.
You don't have any, Yeah, you don't have any.
Speaker 6 (03:57):
I mean Patty printed out a whole bunch of picks
and all that stuff that you can have mine.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
I ain't get papers. I guess not.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
You have.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
It up in hell, let's ha. No, I mean you, by.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
The way, you were one of them dudes in the
class right the way we just killed three trees with.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
The amount of I don't even know.
Speaker 6 (04:22):
I won't even looked at these. I don't even know
why we printed these out.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
But but yeah, offensively, they were left a lot to
be desired.
Speaker 6 (04:32):
Defensively, both teams are phenomenal. Matthew Stafford, which I think
this is the most concerning aspect of this game going
down the stretch is Stafford had an amazing He didn't
just have a good game, he had an amazingly great game,
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and and he was dealing it up. They were you
know who can the cool was cooking them up like
it was. It seemed like it was supposed to be
a RAMS night, and some way, somehow, Seattle found a
way to do what they needed to do to not
only pull back into the game, but tie the game,
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take it the extra extra innings in the game and
pull it out.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Pull it out.
Speaker 6 (05:27):
So the mistake comes with you know, and I guess
it really wasn't a mistake because they scored in overtime.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (05:37):
I just think that they had you know, they had
the perfect play dowed up for once there was enough
time to do it because a lot of the things
that they were doing Seattle was based off of climbing
you know, six seven step drops, you know, play action,
and it didn't materialize the way that it probably was
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drawn up because they didn't have the time. I mean,
they were getting torn up in the interior line, they
were getting pressure from the outside of the line. They
started bringing safety blitzes, secondary blitzes. They were really really
keeping Darnald under duress. And so for that last that
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final two point conversion to work the way that it did,
the Titan having to be as patient as he was
before he leaked into his pass route. I mean give
them credit. They found the way to do it because
I didn't think they'd have enough offense to get down
the field and scoring overtime. I was like, the Rams
got him. When they scored, I was like, the Rams
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got him. They got to go sixty what was it,
sixty five yards? They had to go.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Yeah, and look, give Sam Darnold a lot of credit.
He had two nuts on the tables throws in overtime,
the one doing Jackson Smith and Jigbud down the sideline
was a best Cooper Cup down the sideline. No, it
was just a fantastic game. I actually I come away
from that game and I go, I don't think that
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the Seahawks can win a Super Bowl, but I'm sure
that the Rams can. Like there's another level to what
the Rams can do that just Seattle can't match. And
it may be just as simple as they've got the
better quarterback. But there was no DeVante Adams last night,
and that Seattle defense, which is one of the better
defenses in the league, had zero answers for Puka Nakua.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Zero.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Matthew Stafford was out there doing no look passes like
somebody stole from him. He was dancing, he was I
just think defensively for the Rams. They totally melted down
and never completely recovered after that.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Two point conversion.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Like that two point conversion was so bizarre and so strange.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
I walked away.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
So when they went for the two point conversion, they
get it to thirty to twenty eight, they go for two,
I walk away.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
They didn't get it whatever, And then I come back
and it's thirty thirty. Yeah they got it. Yeah, literally just.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Walk downstairs, and you know, Sean McVay was frustrated with
the call. Afterwards, the Rams are very frustrated about the call.
So do we have the Sean McVay talking about the
two point conversion. Just want some answers, just wants a
little bit of clarity when it comes to that bizarre
play in that bizarre moment last night.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
I've never quite.
Speaker 7 (08:31):
Seen anything like what happened on the two point conversion
where you're lined up to kick off, then they say
it's a fumble because they had the clear and obvious recovery.
Now you tack it on, you make it a thirty
to thirty game.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Very interesting.
Speaker 7 (08:43):
Didn't get a clear explanation of everything. That went on
just because of some of the timing of it. They
were trying to be able to do that. But that's
the thing that I've said, I've never seen anything or
never been a part of anything like that, and I've
grown up around this game.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
I'm not making excuses. We don't do that. I don't
believe in that.
Speaker 7 (09:00):
It doesn't move us forward, but we do want clarity
and an understanding of, you know, the things that we
can do to minimize that when we rejected the two point.
Speaker 6 (09:07):
Conversion, and that's a fair that's a that's a fair
explanation and conclusion from veigh And.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
And I think his like the real frustration was they
had moved on, were lined up to kick, and next thing,
you know, wait what we're reviewing it. And and now
like they got the call. Those plays are reviewable.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Like and look they got it right. And that's all
you can ask is that they got the word.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Now the one the other one in the game where
you know, a legal man downfield from the one yard
that I don't know how that's necessarily possible, Like there
was some questionable.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Stuff, but you know, it does go back to the uh,
to your guy.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Who can who can Nakua, who uh who criticized the
officials as we talked about what it was they struck
well he uh. He quickly went to social media. Did
pokin Aku? I believe roughly seven minutes they had it
seven minutes after he went into the tunnel after the
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game was over and had a tweet that he quickly deleted,
something along the lines of basically, you know, can you
say I was wrong? Thanks Zebras, you know, like like whatever,
you know whatever comment he made on that live stream
with Aiden Ross and you know somebody named Neon I
believe it's their name, but Puka Nakua posted a tweet
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he quickly deleted it. And then afterwards Sean McVay was
asked about that, and you could tell was very frustrated
about having to answer questions about a tweet from his
star player following an emotional loss, like that.
Speaker 5 (10:41):
Didn't like a distraction this week?
Speaker 2 (10:43):
No, it wasn't a distraction at all.
Speaker 7 (10:44):
Did you think his play showed that he was distracted?
Speaker 2 (10:47):
I didn't think so either.
Speaker 7 (10:48):
He went off today he didn't, you know what, and
I apologize for you know what. I love this team
and man, when you put out as much as our
group does. And you care so much much about something
and you come up short, it's incredibly disappointing. But as
it relates to just the things that that you're asking,
you know, we always want to make sure that we
handle ourselves with a class learn from it. I'll put
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my arm around him and continue to educate our guys.
I love this team, I love his heart. I think
he's going to continue to grow and mature, and I'm
going to be there right there with him to continue.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
To help do that.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
So there was obviously that there was he loves hookah bruh.
Speaker 6 (11:24):
Yeah, I mean he saw the way they chest bumped like,
you know, explicitive, explicitive like like yeah, after that touchdown
he got which which, by the way, we talked about
the coolness and the uniqueness of the route that they
were able to Uh, the Seattle Seahawks were able to
get their two point conversion on that passing route that
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Whok and Nakula got and scored on at the end
of the game. That dip was fire too. The way
they cleared it out had the crosser he slid in underneath.
That was a nice That was a dope play right
up as well. They knew exactly how the the coverage
was going to be. Where where this you know guy
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was supposed to clear out, like clear up in the
passing situation.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Stafford's arm is crazy.
Speaker 6 (12:15):
Yeah, his ball delivery, his his ability to his his arm.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Talent is it's just and he was feeling it last night.
Oh man.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
And you know what's crazy about crazy about Stafford is
that going into the season, First of all, we didn't
know if he was going to sign there. Like there
was also the stuff about you know him, you know,
where's he gonna end up if.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
He ends up in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 6 (12:36):
We're having a totally different conversation about the Steelers.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Because Stafford's winning the MVP despite you know them losing
last night.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
They didn't lose because of him. He was fantastic.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
But also, yeah, the back issue, Like there was conversations about, man,
he's got this back issue, like this is going to
linger all season, and here we are it's late December.
He's the MVP of the league and that looks like
potentially the best team in the NFL coming off a
loss like no DeVante Adams and they did what they
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did against that defense, Like that's why I come away
from that game and I go, man, that's that's a
huge win for Seattle.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
They had to have it.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
But I don't think the Rams are concerned at all
about having to go into Seattle and when and win
another game there.
Speaker 6 (13:23):
I they I don't know that I could go with
you on that that boat. Again, I think you have
to be concerned because Seattle didn't play their best football,
and they were able to access their defense, and they
didn't have great offense and still won. I can't say
you don't come away from that game not being concerned
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about what that could mean for the future for the
playoffs as it applies to to Mike McDonald's. McDonald's uh that, which,
by the way, he should be in the Coaches of
the Year conversation as well what he's been able to
do in the turnaround of the Seattle Seahawks team. I
think you certainly have to look at the Seattle Seahawks
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team as as a threat in the NFC. They can
beat any team on the NFC side, and to that point,
they can beat any team on the AFC side. So
to say that you don't think that they could be
a Super Bowl champ, but you came away with knowing
that the Rams could be and they're missing the Davante Like,
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I don't even put Davonte Adams on the level of
receiver that he once was before he's gotten to this point.
He's he is a nice he is a nice contributor.
He is a nice compliment to Houka Nakua. But but
make no mistake about it, it's Puka and the rest
of them. And sure he can make a difference, but
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I'm not I'm not looking at it like he is
the determining factor, like, oh, you get him back, like
it's it's just it's lights out, Like now, the game
would have probably gone exactly the same way that it
went last night. Really, I don't think he's I don't
think he he makes them that much better where they
win that game, not only good, but like to say, oh,
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well wait till they get Adams back, Like, nah, I
don't think that that's the conversation point.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
In Look, I have you know, Seattle's a very good team,
Seattle is going to be a playoff team.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Seattle's number one in their division.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Yeah, I mean and number one of the conference like
all of that. Yeah, but there's three games left, and
so you know a lot. A lot can change. The
Niners control their destiny like a lot can change. I
just think, if you were to ask right now, who
do you believe can win under any condition at any
point during the postseason.
Speaker 6 (15:47):
I will take the Ram, But I don't think any
I don't think you have to be wrong to make
it right for me to say that.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
It would be Seattle. Yeah, but let's fake it. There's
there's multiple teams.
Speaker 6 (15:59):
There's multiple teams that I would say could win under
any circumstances. The Eagles, while struggling to be the top
of the NFC East and not having the type of
offense that that they should be having this year, are
still a team that is capable of winning under any circumstances,
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any any weather conditions, any team, any personnel groupings, whatever
it is. Matchup wise, the Eagles match up well with anybody.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
I'd also I'd say the Bears, Bears get carried away here.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
I'll say the Bears, I'd say the Seahawks and the Rams,
all of those in the NFC sticks pick could win
under any circumstances and match up well under any circumstances today,
and I throw Detroit in there as a light like
lightly throw Detroit in.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
There, get tricking a little love? Why not? Damn? I
would have said Green Bay, but I don't. That is
a loss.
Speaker 6 (17:08):
That those two losses Watson and and have we got
any updates on.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Wat he's I think he's gonna play Okay, he avoided
they thought he like there's like he broke.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
His collar bone.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Yeah, Like we were talking earlier this week about you know,
sometimes people you know, know immediately when an injury occurred. Yeah,
and then other times it just looks like swinging a miss.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
He looked like he died on the field. How bad
that hurts? We have a problem. That man was.
Speaker 6 (17:39):
Face down for seconds, like man like pull that chalk
out outline his body died on the field.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Yeah, it's uh, that's Look.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
I think the both conferences, the AFC and the NFC
are are pretty wide open. But there's a reason why,
you know, the Rams are the favorite. And look, maybe
this is and look, people in set listening right now
are probably gonna be very upset.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
I should be.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Patrick Sweeka is wearing a Reese Witherspoon jersey right now.
So he's wearing a Witherspoon jersey right now, And He's like,
you know, people are going to be upset about it,
and this could be the fact that I think I,
along with you and Brady all had Seattle finishing glass
in that division. I clearly clearly whiffed on that one.
(18:25):
I just look at last night and I go, I
think it was more about and it was a great
finish from Sam Darnold.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
There's just been.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Way too many times, especially in the last month and
a half, where offensively Seattle just.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Hasn't been good. Like they haven't been good.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Defensively they've been there, but offensively, I just I can't trust.
Speaker 6 (18:46):
Do you want to go back through the history of
time on team like we could go back to two thousand,
start two thousand Trent Dilferd in that offense, they had
Jamal Lewis, which if you ain't got Jamal Lewis sending
Shannon Sharpa on that offense, you know, I don't know.
But that wasn't the catalysts of them being able to win.
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It was their defense. Kadri Ishmael on that team missile
foot up Q. It wasn't a great offense. No, no, no,
you can go through time. There weren't great offenses. I
didn't think Gruden's Tampa Bay offense was a great offense.
You had to have so many things go wrong last night.
And this is no disrespect. I love what Mike McDonald's done.
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I think he's fantastic. I love the Seahawks. The Unis
last night hard, really them helmets is hard. That UNI
was hard. You ain't like that, listen, joint was fire?
Go back to the larger unis enough enough?
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Let's come to us. You know what, We're just on
different pages today, what do you think? And it's fine
which one different strokes? But are we in a different
book or on a different page?
Speaker 2 (20:02):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (20:02):
I mean it's a two pros and a cup of
Joe book. I would assume it's being written. Whatever we're
doing it, whatever we do, is being written. There's just
so many things that had to go right last night
for Seattle to win that game, Like so many things,
like so many things. Look, couldn't you say the same
exact thing for the Rams. There were so many things
I had to go right for them to win the
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game last night.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Like Sam Darnold had some really bad throws, like really bad,
Like Matthew Stafford's not even looking at guys and completing
You don't.
Speaker 6 (20:33):
See that as a concern that you could do all
of those things as Matthew Stafford with the stat line
that he had. It was a Gotti stat line, and
you still lost.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
No, because I look at that and I go, that's
a fluke, rare two point conversion occurrence. That's a missed
kick by a guy who hadn't missed a kick all
year long.
Speaker 6 (20:56):
There's just they were down about how many fifteen fourteen,
sixteen points they were one jonas they were.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Owen one fifty five in franchise history. Down by that
amount in the fourth quarter. That doesn't happen, Like, there's
the exception in the rule. Last night was the exception.
The rule is they're gonna lose that game. Like that's
how I look at well.
Speaker 6 (21:18):
I'll say, I don't disagree with the way you presented
that that last point as your final point. Maybe you
stumbled on it by accident. I'll give you, yeah, because
that's what we have around.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
We actually do have.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
A prompter line rounder somewhere that's right in front of you.
That's that's that's it right there, it's right in front
of you. It's not up but it's not what we
don't need one. Yeah, we have papers. We killed four trees.
Well that is true, you know that is true. Yeah,
start upload, start, start putting our scripts in the game,
the whole forest.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
What right now? What you do with today, bab what
you do it today? Bad?
Speaker 6 (22:03):
That's two in a row. I will say this. You
don't to buck your your point. You don't be what
you just said and winning a game against the Rams,
but be the number one team in your division and
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the top rated team, one of the top rated teams
conference in the conference. You're the number one team in
the conference conference. Yeah, I don't. I don't see that
as oh well there's an exception to the rule. And
then there's what it is, what it's supposed to be,
and how it's supposed to happen. Well, Seattle has done
quite a job to climb to.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Uh. Yeah, there's twelve and three.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
I'm not scoffing at like it's I think it's you know,
a great story, and.
Speaker 6 (22:56):
You kind of are though you're kind of putting them
in a different book, not on a different pages, you're
kind of putting them in a different book.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
I'm sorry, and I don't mean to put them in
the book they don't want to read. But I just
I come away from last night going, yeah, I congratulations.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
I just I think there's going to be concerns moving forward.
Speaker 6 (23:19):
But you have listen, you're right. There should be concern
because the offense did not give them what they needed.
But in football, we always say, win two out of
the three phases of the game when the turnover battle,
and you will win the game. Which is crazy because
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they lost the turnover battle horribly, lost it horribly, but
they won the three out of the three phases. They
won two phases of the game. They got contribution from
from from special teams. Their special teams boned them. The
game is over if he makes the field goal. Let's
keep that in mind. He missed the field goal that
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allowed for it to go the way that it went.
It goes into overtime, they lose a game. That's football,
and for what it's worth.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Instead of you sitting there putting down the Seattle Seahawks,
what you should say is this is what football game
should look like.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
When you get to this point in the season.
Speaker 6 (24:18):
Maybe you aren't going to have the best day on offense,
maybe you're not going to have the best day on defense.
Maybe those are the strengths of your team. Maybe that
isn't what came to the table. Y'all had a game
to play. It was a divisional game.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
They did not the Seattle Seahawks did not own the
type breaker.
Speaker 6 (24:35):
The Rams got the first one. You got a must
win situation to offset the type breaker and give yourself
an opportunity for home field advantage, and you found a
way to win the game. And sports, I don't care
if it is the prettiest, most beautiful win that you
could categorize ever in the three of the game, or if.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
It's the ugliest win. A win is a w win.
Speaker 6 (25:00):
I'm not coming out of the game like you know,
if you come out of the game with injuries, that's
a concern. You come out of game and it looks
like he's got the yips, that's a concern. I didn't
see that from Donald. He made some really fine throws
in the clutch. I did not see yips. Great play.
He didn't come out saying he saw ghosts. That that
isn't the Sam Darnald that was out there last night.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
He's never gonna look so far there you go, just
keeping it real he's not going to live that down.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
We're going to live that down. I'm not uh.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
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friends listening in statewide in Wisconsin. Right now, it's a
Biggie Saturday night. It's going to be the Packers at
the Bears in all likelihood would probably determine who wins
the NFC North, but both teams are banged up. The
Packers obviously with Micah Parsons injury, Christian Watson has banged up,
Josh Jacobs is questionable, Zach tom is the same, roma
(29:58):
Doone's days out for the Bears, Luther Burdens out for
the Bears. Tremaine edwins Edwards is out or is questionable
for the Bear. There's just there's a lot going on
with the Packers and the Bears, and now they think
about it, There's a lot going around around the NFL,
and it does feel like the War of Attrition is
officially begun. Like we're at the point of the season
(30:20):
where who the hell is going to be healthy?
Speaker 6 (30:23):
You're sitting there talking about wait till they get the
Vante back?
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Who cares? Guys are injured? You got to know how
to think. Devonte Adams is a key member of these
Yes I do.
Speaker 6 (30:37):
But what I'm saying is, at this point in the season,
you've got to know how to win games, or you
don't know how to win games, bottom line. Bottom line,
either you know how to get out of these games,
or you can't quite get out of these games.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Like I was thinking about this as well too, because
there's so many bad teams in the NFL, like in
this case this year, a lot of them in this game,
for example, between the Bears and the Packers. So Christian
Watson is banged up, obviously, Josh Jacob Zach Tom Tremaine
Edmonds is coming back from the IR he's been out
for some time, but that's as he's questionable. And I
(31:16):
almost have it in my mind in talking about bad
teams in the NFL, being like, you know what, like,
what's the point Listen, Jayden Daniels sit this one Like
it really is now to a point where in games
like this, no, if you can go, you're going, like
if you're even a fraction of a hundred of healthy,
(31:36):
like you're gonna go. And there's just gonna be guys
out there that are gonna run the risk of further
injury because of how big these games are. And we're
just you see last night and you go, those are
two really good teams. Those are teams that are going
to be playoff teams, And it almost kind of jars
you into and rethinking, oh, yeah, like there's actually good
teams in the league because there's a lot of crap
(31:58):
and you almost get almost catch myself evaluating or talking
about teams that are bad, almost like throwaways, when the
reality is, no, there's other teams in the league that
actually could win this whole thing. And if guys are
going to be there's the potential of them being out there,
they're going to be out there. And if you run
further risk of injury, so be it. Like the Green
(32:21):
Bay is riddled with injuries up and down there, but
damn they're favored to win that game. Tomorrow night in Chicago,
they're favorite to win that game. It just it feels
like we're at the separation point to where last night
was sort of the early preview of playoff football.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Yeah. Yeah, that's what I felt like.
Speaker 6 (32:39):
It did, and that's why I should be concerning that
the Rams came out on the wrong side of that game.
And as we go into these matchups with teams as
good as Chicago and Green Bay going into it, yeah,
you are going to have a playoff.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Feel to it.
Speaker 6 (32:57):
And listen, you know, it's not a winner, go home game,
so it is a tat bit different. But nonetheless, do
you not think that Ben Johnson and the Chicago Bears
want to cap off, you know, begin to cap off
a regular season where there was a true turnaround that
(33:18):
took place in Chicago, a turnaround that people have been
hoping for, wishing for, praying for. Like people, all they
wanted for Christmas was Chicago to be a competitive football team.
That was the only gift they wanted. And look at
them now. They're a good team. They're a competitive team.
So and this Green Bay Packers team, it's much the same.
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is without Michaeh Parsons. I want to see how that
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they're still going to be good. They're just not going
to be as dynamic a defense without them. And I
would say that for the Dallas Cowboys or any other
team that Michael Parsons was on that wasn't he wasn't
on there anymore, or something like an injury took him
off the field, They're not going to be as dynamic,
(34:23):
They're not going to be as scary a defense without
Michael Parsons on the field.
Speaker 6 (34:28):
I mean, think about it. What would would we say
the same thing about Lawrence Taylor? Would we say the
same thing about Reggie White? Would we say that the
same thing about ray Lewis moles Garrett if they're not
on the field, while they may be a good team,
to sit there and actually fix your mouth to say
that you could actually be better, like they fixed their
(34:51):
mouths to say in Dallas that they were actually better.
People in the media said that this was this team
was I heard Colin say that this team was actually
better without Michael Parsons. What a whiff?
Speaker 1 (35:05):
Well, I mean, because that's a miss because they're able
to stop the run better. And being able to stop
the run is really going to help out on Valentine's
Day weekend when the season's over and they've been out
of football for you know, a month and a half.
That's really gonna it's really gonna help out.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
You could stop the run better. That's better safe than Sorry.
Speaker 6 (35:25):
Yeah, that's crazy, that's crazy, man, Fu.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
That is and crazy. You know what your son just said?
What is it? What Ralie? It's just I met it
is care it is it just it goes. It's gonna
(36:02):
be I'm curious to see what that looks like.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
Because even like Michael Parsons's got twelve and a half
sacks in the year, you know how many how many
other plays he impacted a pressure sack on his pressure's no,
there's no way to really put it on a side
like you can't like, there's nothing you can even.
Speaker 6 (36:19):
The presence of it. Yeah, like him being out there.
You're taking the blocking scheme to his side every single time,
which means that you're creating single singles a single side.
So Rashaw and Gary and company on the opposite side
are benefactors. So if you take into consideration the production
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of the other guys on that defense, you have to
also directly attribute that to the presence of Michael Parsons
being on the field.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
And you're less likely to have to bringing a tight
end or receiver to Chip. Now opens up the passing game.
Speaker 6 (36:53):
Now you're going to see if Green Bay can do
it the way they were doing it without Micah, where
they're now turning defense or turning the blocking scheme to
Rashau and Gary or taking it to the most dangerous linebacker. However,
the center is going to call it out. But you're
not going to see the same successes from some of
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these guys on the defense that you saw when Michael
Parsons was there, And that's going to be interesting to
see if they can navigate as a defense, because when
you have a guy as special as Michael Parsons out there,
you don't have to worry about making the right play call.
You know that the play call is going to be
(37:34):
a good play call no matter what it is, because
you're going to get that element of pressure from your
defense afront. So if I want to go in a
more heavy coverage doesn't matter. I'm still going to get
the same type of pressure. I don't have to pull
somebody out as you mentioned, like they got to keep
a tight end in to block da da dadas, and
that I don't have to bring down a safety or
(37:55):
do blitzes that are like kind of creative in all
this because I can get that pre from just the
four or the three that I'm going to send that
are in the defensive front. Now you're down one and
he's your most effective pass rusher that's down. That is
a tremendous loss. It's like trying to run around with
your big toe off like you lost your big toe.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
You see how that works.
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biggest ups in sports history and vowing to well, you know,
take down mister Joshua.
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I just uh, I know, Anthony Joshua is a legit
fighter and a legit boxer.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
You know, it's I'm looking.
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At all the it's you know, eight eight rounds, three
minute rounds, ten ounce gloves. Joshua had to get down
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lose all the weight in the world, and if some way,
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We're also going to talk about the War of Attrition
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Coop?
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This might be a good storthing?
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Are you going to Denver this weekend? Damn? I mean
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And that was a hell of a game last night
in the NFC West between the Seattle Seahawks and the
Los Angeles Rams.
Speaker 6 (03:15):
Again, I think that that could be the two best
teams in the NFC. And listen, I'll tell you what
if I'm the Rams, what I'm most concerned about is
that the Seahawks didn't even play that well on offense.
They weren't even that good on offense, you know, Sam
(03:39):
Darnold did not have an amazing game.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Wow. On on the other side of it, what no, what,
I don't know. It's papers for yours their own mind.
You don't have any, Yeah, you don't have any.
Speaker 6 (03:57):
I mean Patty printed out a whole bunch of picks
and all that stuff that you can have mine.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
I ain't get papers. I guess not.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
You have.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
It up in hell, let's ha. No, I mean you, by.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
The way, you were one of them dudes in the
class right the way we just killed three trees with.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
The amount of I don't even know.
Speaker 6 (04:22):
I won't even looked at these. I don't even know
why we printed these out.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
But but yeah, offensively, they were left a lot to
be desired.
Speaker 6 (04:32):
Defensively, both teams are phenomenal. Matthew Stafford, which I think
this is the most concerning aspect of this game going
down the stretch is Stafford had an amazing He didn't
just have a good game, he had an amazingly great game,
(04:55):
and and he was dealing it up. They were you
know who can the cool was cooking them up like
it was. It seemed like it was supposed to be
a RAMS night, and some way, somehow, Seattle found a
way to do what they needed to do to not
only pull back into the game, but tie the game,
(05:20):
take it the extra extra innings in the game and
pull it out.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Pull it out.
Speaker 6 (05:27):
So the mistake comes with you know, and I guess
it really wasn't a mistake because they scored in overtime.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (05:37):
I just think that they had you know, they had
the perfect play dowed up for once there was enough
time to do it because a lot of the things
that they were doing Seattle was based off of climbing
you know, six seven step drops, you know, play action,
and it didn't materialize the way that it probably was
(05:59):
drawn up because they didn't have the time. I mean,
they were getting torn up in the interior line, they
were getting pressure from the outside of the line. They
started bringing safety blitzes, secondary blitzes. They were really really
keeping Darnald under duress. And so for that last that
(06:23):
final two point conversion to work the way that it did,
the Titan having to be as patient as he was
before he leaked into his pass route. I mean give
them credit. They found the way to do it because
I didn't think they'd have enough offense to get down
the field and scoring overtime. I was like, the Rams
got him. When they scored, I was like, the Rams
(06:44):
got him. They got to go sixty what was it,
sixty five yards? They had to go.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Yeah, and look, give Sam Darnold a lot of credit.
He had two nuts on the tables throws in overtime,
the one doing Jackson Smith and Jigbud down the sideline
was a best Cooper Cup down the sideline. No, it
was just a fantastic game. I actually I come away
from that game and I go, I don't think that
(07:10):
the Seahawks can win a Super Bowl, but I'm sure
that the Rams can. Like there's another level to what
the Rams can do that just Seattle can't match. And
it may be just as simple as they've got the
better quarterback. But there was no DeVante Adams last night,
and that Seattle defense, which is one of the better
defenses in the league, had zero answers for Puka Nakua.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Zero.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Matthew Stafford was out there doing no look passes like
somebody stole from him. He was dancing, he was I
just think defensively for the Rams. They totally melted down
and never completely recovered after that.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Two point conversion.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Like that two point conversion was so bizarre and so strange.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
I walked away.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
So when they went for the two point conversion, they
get it to thirty to twenty eight, they go for two,
I walk away.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
They didn't get it whatever, And then I come back
and it's thirty thirty. Yeah they got it. Yeah, literally just.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Walk downstairs, and you know, Sean McVay was frustrated with
the call. Afterwards, the Rams are very frustrated about the call.
So do we have the Sean McVay talking about the
two point conversion. Just want some answers, just wants a
little bit of clarity when it comes to that bizarre
play in that bizarre moment last night.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
I've never quite.
Speaker 7 (08:31):
Seen anything like what happened on the two point conversion
where you're lined up to kick off, then they say
it's a fumble because they had the clear and obvious recovery.
Now you tack it on, you make it a thirty
to thirty game.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Very interesting.
Speaker 7 (08:43):
Didn't get a clear explanation of everything. That went on
just because of some of the timing of it. They
were trying to be able to do that. But that's
the thing that I've said, I've never seen anything or
never been a part of anything like that, and I've
grown up around this game.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
I'm not making excuses. We don't do that. I don't
believe in that.
Speaker 7 (09:00):
It doesn't move us forward, but we do want clarity
and an understanding of, you know, the things that we
can do to minimize that when we rejected the two point.
Speaker 6 (09:07):
Conversion, and that's a fair that's a that's a fair
explanation and conclusion from veigh And.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
And I think his like the real frustration was they
had moved on, were lined up to kick, and next thing,
you know, wait what we're reviewing it. And and now
like they got the call. Those plays are reviewable.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Like and look they got it right. And that's all
you can ask is that they got the word.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Now the one the other one in the game where
you know, a legal man downfield from the one yard
that I don't know how that's necessarily possible, Like there
was some questionable.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Stuff, but you know, it does go back to the uh,
to your guy.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Who can who can Nakua, who uh who criticized the
officials as we talked about what it was they struck
well he uh. He quickly went to social media. Did
pokin Aku? I believe roughly seven minutes they had it
seven minutes after he went into the tunnel after the
(10:05):
game was over and had a tweet that he quickly deleted,
something along the lines of basically, you know, can you
say I was wrong? Thanks Zebras, you know, like like whatever,
you know whatever comment he made on that live stream
with Aiden Ross and you know somebody named Neon I
believe it's their name, but Puka Nakua posted a tweet
(10:28):
he quickly deleted it. And then afterwards Sean McVay was
asked about that, and you could tell was very frustrated
about having to answer questions about a tweet from his
star player following an emotional loss, like that.
Speaker 5 (10:41):
Didn't like a distraction this week?
Speaker 2 (10:43):
No, it wasn't a distraction at all.
Speaker 7 (10:44):
Did you think his play showed that he was distracted?
Speaker 2 (10:47):
I didn't think so either.
Speaker 7 (10:48):
He went off today he didn't, you know what, and
I apologize for you know what. I love this team
and man, when you put out as much as our
group does. And you care so much much about something
and you come up short, it's incredibly disappointing. But as
it relates to just the things that that you're asking,
you know, we always want to make sure that we
handle ourselves with a class learn from it. I'll put
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my arm around him and continue to educate our guys.
I love this team, I love his heart. I think
he's going to continue to grow and mature, and I'm
going to be there right there with him to continue.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
To help do that.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
So there was obviously that there was he loves hookah bruh.
Speaker 6 (11:24):
Yeah, I mean he saw the way they chest bumped like,
you know, explicitive, explicitive like like yeah, after that touchdown
he got which which, by the way, we talked about
the coolness and the uniqueness of the route that they
were able to Uh, the Seattle Seahawks were able to
get their two point conversion on that passing route that
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Whok and Nakula got and scored on at the end
of the game. That dip was fire too. The way
they cleared it out had the crosser he slid in underneath.
That was a nice That was a dope play right
up as well. They knew exactly how the the coverage
was going to be. Where where this you know guy
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was supposed to clear out, like clear up in the
passing situation.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Stafford's arm is crazy.
Speaker 6 (12:15):
Yeah, his ball delivery, his his ability to his his arm.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Talent is it's just and he was feeling it last night.
Oh man.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
And you know what's crazy about crazy about Stafford is
that going into the season, First of all, we didn't
know if he was going to sign there. Like there
was also the stuff about you know him, you know,
where's he gonna end up if.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
He ends up in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 6 (12:36):
We're having a totally different conversation about the Steelers.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Because Stafford's winning the MVP despite you know them losing
last night.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
They didn't lose because of him. He was fantastic.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
But also, yeah, the back issue, Like there was conversations about, man,
he's got this back issue, like this is going to
linger all season, and here we are it's late December.
He's the MVP of the league and that looks like
potentially the best team in the NFL coming off a
loss like no DeVante Adams and they did what they
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did against that defense, Like that's why I come away
from that game and I go, man, that's that's a
huge win for Seattle.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
They had to have it.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
But I don't think the Rams are concerned at all
about having to go into Seattle and when and win
another game there.
Speaker 6 (13:23):
I they I don't know that I could go with
you on that that boat. Again, I think you have
to be concerned because Seattle didn't play their best football,
and they were able to access their defense, and they
didn't have great offense and still won. I can't say
you don't come away from that game not being concerned
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about what that could mean for the future for the
playoffs as it applies to to Mike McDonald's. McDonald's uh that, which,
by the way, he should be in the Coaches of
the Year conversation as well what he's been able to
do in the turnaround of the Seattle Seahawks team. I
think you certainly have to look at the Seattle Seahawks
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team as as a threat in the NFC. They can
beat any team on the NFC side, and to that point,
they can beat any team on the AFC side. So
to say that you don't think that they could be
a Super Bowl champ, but you came away with knowing
that the Rams could be and they're missing the Davante Like,
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I don't even put Davonte Adams on the level of
receiver that he once was before he's gotten to this point.
He's he is a nice he is a nice contributor.
He is a nice compliment to Houka Nakua. But but
make no mistake about it, it's Puka and the rest
of them. And sure he can make a difference, but
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I'm not I'm not looking at it like he is
the determining factor, like, oh, you get him back, like
it's it's just it's lights out, Like now, the game
would have probably gone exactly the same way that it
went last night. Really, I don't think he's I don't
think he he makes them that much better where they
win that game, not only good, but like to say, oh,
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well wait till they get Adams back, Like, nah, I
don't think that that's the conversation point.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
In Look, I have you know, Seattle's a very good team,
Seattle is going to be a playoff team.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Seattle's number one in their division.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Yeah, I mean and number one of the conference like
all of that. Yeah, but there's three games left, and
so you know a lot. A lot can change. The
Niners control their destiny like a lot can change. I
just think, if you were to ask right now, who
do you believe can win under any condition at any
point during the postseason.
Speaker 6 (15:47):
I will take the Ram, But I don't think any
I don't think you have to be wrong to make
it right for me to say that.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
It would be Seattle. Yeah, but let's fake it. There's
there's multiple teams.
Speaker 6 (15:59):
There's multiple teams that I would say could win under
any circumstances. The Eagles, while struggling to be the top
of the NFC East and not having the type of
offense that that they should be having this year, are
still a team that is capable of winning under any circumstances,
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any any weather conditions, any team, any personnel groupings, whatever
it is. Matchup wise, the Eagles match up well with anybody.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
I'd also I'd say the Bears, Bears get carried away here.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
I'll say the Bears, I'd say the Seahawks and the Rams,
all of those in the NFC sticks pick could win
under any circumstances and match up well under any circumstances today,
and I throw Detroit in there as a light like
lightly throw Detroit in.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
There, get tricking a little love? Why not? Damn? I
would have said Green Bay, but I don't. That is
a loss.
Speaker 6 (17:08):
That those two losses Watson and and have we got
any updates on.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Wat he's I think he's gonna play Okay, he avoided
they thought he like there's like he broke.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
His collar bone.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Yeah, Like we were talking earlier this week about you know,
sometimes people you know, know immediately when an injury occurred. Yeah,
and then other times it just looks like swinging a miss.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
He looked like he died on the field. How bad
that hurts? We have a problem. That man was.
Speaker 6 (17:39):
Face down for seconds, like man like pull that chalk
out outline his body died on the field.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Yeah, it's uh, that's Look.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
I think the both conferences, the AFC and the NFC
are are pretty wide open. But there's a reason why,
you know, the Rams are the favorite. And look, maybe
this is and look, people in set listening right now
are probably gonna be very upset.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
I should be.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Patrick Sweeka is wearing a Reese Witherspoon jersey right now.
So he's wearing a Witherspoon jersey right now, And He's like,
you know, people are going to be upset about it,
and this could be the fact that I think I,
along with you and Brady all had Seattle finishing glass
in that division. I clearly clearly whiffed on that one.
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I just look at last night and I go, I
think it was more about and it was a great
finish from Sam Darnold.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
There's just been.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Way too many times, especially in the last month and
a half, where offensively Seattle just.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Hasn't been good. Like they haven't been good.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Defensively they've been there, but offensively, I just I can't trust.
Speaker 6 (18:46):
Do you want to go back through the history of
time on team like we could go back to two thousand,
start two thousand Trent Dilferd in that offense, they had
Jamal Lewis, which if you ain't got Jamal Lewis sending
Shannon Sharpa on that offense, you know, I don't know.
But that wasn't the catalysts of them being able to win.
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It was their defense. Kadri Ishmael on that team missile
foot up Q. It wasn't a great offense. No, no, no,
you can go through time. There weren't great offenses. I
didn't think Gruden's Tampa Bay offense was a great offense.
You had to have so many things go wrong last night.
And this is no disrespect. I love what Mike McDonald's done.
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I think he's fantastic. I love the Seahawks. The Unis
last night hard, really them helmets is hard. That UNI
was hard. You ain't like that, listen, joint was fire?
Go back to the larger unis enough enough?
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Let's come to us. You know what, We're just on
different pages today, what do you think? And it's fine
which one different strokes? But are we in a different
book or on a different page?
Speaker 2 (20:02):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (20:02):
I mean it's a two pros and a cup of
Joe book. I would assume it's being written. Whatever we're
doing it, whatever we do, is being written. There's just
so many things that had to go right last night
for Seattle to win that game, Like so many things,
like so many things. Look, couldn't you say the same
exact thing for the Rams. There were so many things
I had to go right for them to win the
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game last night.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Like Sam Darnold had some really bad throws, like really bad,
Like Matthew Stafford's not even looking at guys and completing
You don't.
Speaker 6 (20:33):
See that as a concern that you could do all
of those things as Matthew Stafford with the stat line
that he had. It was a Gotti stat line, and
you still lost.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
No, because I look at that and I go, that's
a fluke, rare two point conversion occurrence. That's a missed
kick by a guy who hadn't missed a kick all
year long.
Speaker 6 (20:56):
There's just they were down about how many fifteen fourteen,
sixteen points they were one jonas they were.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Owen one fifty five in franchise history. Down by that
amount in the fourth quarter. That doesn't happen, Like, there's
the exception in the rule. Last night was the exception.
The rule is they're gonna lose that game. Like that's
how I look at well.
Speaker 6 (21:18):
I'll say, I don't disagree with the way you presented
that that last point as your final point. Maybe you
stumbled on it by accident. I'll give you, yeah, because
that's what we have around.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
We actually do have.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
A prompter line rounder somewhere that's right in front of you.
That's that's that's it right there, it's right in front
of you. It's not up but it's not what we
don't need one. Yeah, we have papers. We killed four trees.
Well that is true, you know that is true. Yeah,
start upload, start, start putting our scripts in the game,
the whole forest.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
What right now? What you do with today, bab what
you do it today? Bad?
Speaker 6 (22:03):
That's two in a row. I will say this. You
don't to buck your your point. You don't be what
you just said and winning a game against the Rams,
but be the number one team in your division and
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the top rated team, one of the top rated teams
conference in the conference. You're the number one team in
the conference conference. Yeah, I don't. I don't see that
as oh well there's an exception to the rule. And
then there's what it is, what it's supposed to be,
and how it's supposed to happen. Well, Seattle has done
quite a job to climb to.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Uh. Yeah, there's twelve and three.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
I'm not scoffing at like it's I think it's you know,
a great story, and.
Speaker 6 (22:56):
You kind of are though you're kind of putting them
in a different book, not on a different pages, you're
kind of putting them in a different book.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
I'm sorry, and I don't mean to put them in
the book they don't want to read. But I just
I come away from last night going, yeah, I congratulations.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
I just I think there's going to be concerns moving forward.
Speaker 6 (23:19):
But you have listen, you're right. There should be concern
because the offense did not give them what they needed.
But in football, we always say, win two out of
the three phases of the game when the turnover battle,
and you will win the game. Which is crazy because
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they lost the turnover battle horribly, lost it horribly, but
they won the three out of the three phases. They
won two phases of the game. They got contribution from
from from special teams. Their special teams boned them. The
game is over if he makes the field goal. Let's
keep that in mind. He missed the field goal that
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allowed for it to go the way that it went.
It goes into overtime, they lose a game. That's football,
and for what it's worth.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Instead of you sitting there putting down the Seattle Seahawks,
what you should say is this is what football game
should look like.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
When you get to this point in the season.
Speaker 6 (24:18):
Maybe you aren't going to have the best day on offense,
maybe you're not going to have the best day on defense.
Maybe those are the strengths of your team. Maybe that
isn't what came to the table. Y'all had a game
to play. It was a divisional game.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
They did not the Seattle Seahawks did not own the
type breaker.
Speaker 6 (24:35):
The Rams got the first one. You got a must
win situation to offset the type breaker and give yourself
an opportunity for home field advantage, and you found a
way to win the game. And sports, I don't care
if it is the prettiest, most beautiful win that you
could categorize ever in the three of the game, or if.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
It's the ugliest win. A win is a w win.
Speaker 6 (25:00):
I'm not coming out of the game like you know,
if you come out of the game with injuries, that's
a concern. You come out of game and it looks
like he's got the yips, that's a concern. I didn't
see that from Donald. He made some really fine throws
in the clutch. I did not see yips. Great play.
He didn't come out saying he saw ghosts. That that
isn't the Sam Darnald that was out there last night.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
He's never gonna look so far there you go, just
keeping it real he's not going to live that down.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
We're going to live that down. I'm not uh.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
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you mentioned the Christian Watson situation with Green Bay. Our
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friends listening in statewide in Wisconsin. Right now, it's a
Biggie Saturday night. It's going to be the Packers at
the Bears in all likelihood would probably determine who wins
the NFC North, but both teams are banged up. The
Packers obviously with Micah Parsons injury, Christian Watson has banged up,
Josh Jacobs is questionable, Zach tom is the same, roma
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Doone's days out for the Bears, Luther Burdens out for
the Bears. Tremaine edwins Edwards is out or is questionable
for the Bear. There's just there's a lot going on
with the Packers and the Bears, and now they think
about it, There's a lot going around around the NFL,
and it does feel like the War of Attrition is
officially begun. Like we're at the point of the season
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where who the hell is going to be healthy?
Speaker 6 (30:23):
You're sitting there talking about wait till they get the
Vante back?
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Who cares? Guys are injured? You got to know how
to think. Devonte Adams is a key member of these
Yes I do.
Speaker 6 (30:37):
But what I'm saying is, at this point in the season,
you've got to know how to win games, or you
don't know how to win games, bottom line. Bottom line,
either you know how to get out of these games,
or you can't quite get out of these games.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Like I was thinking about this as well too, because
there's so many bad teams in the NFL, like in
this case this year, a lot of them in this game,
for example, between the Bears and the Packers. So Christian
Watson is banged up, obviously, Josh Jacob Zach Tom Tremaine
Edmonds is coming back from the IR he's been out
for some time, but that's as he's questionable. And I
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almost have it in my mind in talking about bad
teams in the NFL, being like, you know what, like,
what's the point Listen, Jayden Daniels sit this one Like
it really is now to a point where in games
like this, no, if you can go, you're going, like
if you're even a fraction of a hundred of healthy,
(31:36):
like you're gonna go. And there's just gonna be guys
out there that are gonna run the risk of further
injury because of how big these games are. And we're
just you see last night and you go, those are
two really good teams. Those are teams that are going
to be playoff teams, And it almost kind of jars
you into and rethinking, oh, yeah, like there's actually good
teams in the league because there's a lot of crap
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and you almost get almost catch myself evaluating or talking
about teams that are bad, almost like throwaways, when the
reality is, no, there's other teams in the league that
actually could win this whole thing. And if guys are
going to be there's the potential of them being out there,
they're going to be out there. And if you run
further risk of injury, so be it. Like the Green
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Bay is riddled with injuries up and down there, but
damn they're favored to win that game. Tomorrow night in Chicago,
they're favorite to win that game. It just it feels
like we're at the separation point to where last night
was sort of the early preview of playoff football.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Yeah. Yeah, that's what I felt like.
Speaker 6 (32:39):
It did, and that's why I should be concerning that
the Rams came out on the wrong side of that game.
And as we go into these matchups with teams as
good as Chicago and Green Bay going into it, yeah,
you are going to have a playoff.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Feel to it.
Speaker 6 (32:57):
And listen, you know, it's not a winner, go home game,
so it is a tat bit different. But nonetheless, do
you not think that Ben Johnson and the Chicago Bears
want to cap off, you know, begin to cap off
a regular season where there was a true turnaround that
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took place in Chicago, a turnaround that people have been
hoping for, wishing for, praying for. Like people, all they
wanted for Christmas was Chicago to be a competitive football team.
That was the only gift they wanted. And look at
them now. They're a good team. They're a competitive team.
So and this Green Bay Packers team, it's much the same.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
By the way, a quick update, the Lion has now
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green Bay the favorite but still expected to be a
close game. And I'm fascinated to see what Green Bay
is without Michaeh Parsons. I want to see how that
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they're still going to be good. They're just not going
to be as dynamic a defense without them. And I
would say that for the Dallas Cowboys or any other
team that Michael Parsons was on that wasn't he wasn't
on there anymore, or something like an injury took him
off the field, They're not going to be as dynamic,
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They're not going to be as scary a defense without
Michael Parsons on the field.
Speaker 6 (34:28):
I mean, think about it. What would would we say
the same thing about Lawrence Taylor? Would we say the
same thing about Reggie White? Would we say that the
same thing about ray Lewis moles Garrett if they're not
on the field, while they may be a good team,
to sit there and actually fix your mouth to say
that you could actually be better, like they fixed their
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mouths to say in Dallas that they were actually better.
People in the media said that this was this team
was I heard Colin say that this team was actually
better without Michael Parsons. What a whiff?
Speaker 1 (35:05):
Well, I mean, because that's a miss because they're able
to stop the run better. And being able to stop
the run is really going to help out on Valentine's
Day weekend when the season's over and they've been out
of football for you know, a month and a half.
That's really gonna it's really gonna help out.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
You could stop the run better. That's better safe than Sorry.
Speaker 6 (35:25):
Yeah, that's crazy, that's crazy, man, Fu.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
That is and crazy. You know what your son just said?
What is it? What Ralie? It's just I met it
is care it is it just it goes. It's gonna
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be I'm curious to see what that looks like.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
Because even like Michael Parsons's got twelve and a half
sacks in the year, you know how many how many
other plays he impacted a pressure sack on his pressure's no,
there's no way to really put it on a side
like you can't like, there's nothing you can even.
Speaker 6 (36:19):
The presence of it. Yeah, like him being out there.
You're taking the blocking scheme to his side every single time,
which means that you're creating single singles a single side.
So Rashaw and Gary and company on the opposite side
are benefactors. So if you take into consideration the production
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of the other guys on that defense, you have to
also directly attribute that to the presence of Michael Parsons
being on the field.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
And you're less likely to have to bringing a tight
end or receiver to Chip. Now opens up the passing game.
Speaker 6 (36:53):
Now you're going to see if Green Bay can do
it the way they were doing it without Micah, where
they're now turning defense or turning the blocking scheme to
Rashau and Gary or taking it to the most dangerous linebacker. However,
the center is going to call it out. But you're
not going to see the same successes from some of
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these guys on the defense that you saw when Michael
Parsons was there, And that's going to be interesting to
see if they can navigate as a defense, because when
you have a guy as special as Michael Parsons out there,
you don't have to worry about making the right play call.
You know that the play call is going to be
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a good play call no matter what it is, because
you're going to get that element of pressure from your
defense afront. So if I want to go in a
more heavy coverage doesn't matter. I'm still going to get
the same type of pressure. I don't have to pull
somebody out as you mentioned, like they got to keep
a tight end in to block da da dadas, and
that I don't have to bring down a safety or
(37:55):
do blitzes that are like kind of creative in all
this because I can get that pre from just the
four or the three that I'm going to send that
are in the defensive front. Now you're down one and
he's your most effective pass rusher that's down. That is
a tremendous loss. It's like trying to run around with
your big toe off like you lost your big toe.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
You see how that works.
Speaker 6 (38:18):
You don't realize how how serious a body part is until.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
You lose it. Field just falling over.
Speaker 6 (38:28):
You know, I've dealt with the gout big toe man,
like you don't want the gout big toe?
Speaker 1 (38:32):
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And up next, there's believe it or not, a major
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Speaker 2 (38:54):
We'll tell you what it is here on FSR.
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Two Pros and a Cup of Joe, Fox Sports Radio. Hey,
I messed you up just now. My shoe hollow at
your bully mane, My.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
Shoe falling apart. Well, by the way, coming up top
next hour, No it didn't. It sounded a little like
something else. Actually, what like the IG show? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (39:32):
That dojo?
Speaker 1 (39:33):
Yeah all right, So coming up top next hour, we
are going to tell you about somebody who's got thoughts
on the little guy in the world of sports. That'll
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Sometimes you can't get to everything in the world of
sports or entertainment. Good thing the guys are here to
bring you in case you missed it, But that we.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
Turn it over to our executive producer, the one and
only Patrick Sweeka.
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Speaker 5 (40:33):
Well, everybody that's right, yours truly is here, but it's
time to play in case you missed it, and guys,
in case you missed it or we'll miss this, maybe
tonight we have a boxing fight, all right, air quote
boxing fight. We have Jake Paul versus Anthony Joshua, and honestly, guys,
that's set up for tonight on Netflix. Jake Paul has
literally gone on record saying this is gonna be the
(40:53):
biggest ups in sports history and vowing to well, you know,
take down mister Joshua.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
I just uh, I know, Anthony Joshua is a legit
fighter and a legit boxer.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
You know, it's I'm looking.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
At all the it's you know, eight eight rounds, three
minute rounds, ten ounce gloves. Joshua had to get down
to two forty five, but there's no rehydration clause, so
he can you know, balloon back up if he wants to,
and there's not gonna it just it just feels like
there's something fishy. But man, Anthony Joshua could have to
(41:30):
lose all the weight in the world, and if some way,
somehow he loses this fight or gets beat up on
by Jake Paul, then all of the things that we
have always thought about the Jake Paul fights will have
been confirmed. This is the one fight where you cannot
(41:51):
sit there and say Jake Paul should get out of
here with his face still intact and feeling good. This
is the one fight. So we're gonna find out, and
you know what, we're all going to watch.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
Sheesh, We're all going
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