December 19, 2025 • 61 mins
Today on 2 Pros & A Cup Of Joe, the guys discuss Nick Saban getting spicy about the College Football Playoffs by taking shots at Jame Madison getting in over Notre Dame. Plus, the guys recap the Seahawks vs Rams OT Thriller on TNF, a war of attrition for the NFC North, and more!!
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And then there's the return of the college football playoffs.
The College Football Playoff is back. It opens up tonight.
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It's a good one. It's in Norman. You're gonna have
a rematch between Alabama and Oklahoma is.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
Going to be off the rottle thump, aw say, are
going to get it in Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
It's gonna be awesome. It's gonna be a lot of fun.
But you know, Nick Saban's got some thoughts. Oh god, Uh,
I mean, listen, he's got some thoughts on you know,
not so much Alabama, but he's got some thoughts on
the little playoffs, James Madison getting in and James Madison.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Uh, you know, having a playoff spot over a team
like say Notre Dame.
Speaker 5 (02:50):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Nick Saban shared and aired those grievances on The Pat
McAfee show starring AJ Hawk.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Let's take a listen.
Speaker 5 (02:57):
Look, would we allow the winner of the trip away
Baseball League, the International League whatever they call. I don't
even know the name of it. Would you let them
in the in the World Series playoff?
Speaker 3 (03:10):
I don't think they do.
Speaker 5 (03:12):
I don't think no, they don't. But I'm saying, but
that's the equivalent of what we do when j m
U gets in to the college football playoff and Notre
Dame doesn't.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
I mean.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Yes, I mean the man's like, ether, Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
That's one way to put it.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
Oh man, oh man, Oh, they ain't even in the
same league.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Uh, you know, like you know, he also pointed out,
you know, like the playoff bonus. Just give that to them.
And and let's get Notre dame in. Just give them,
you know, the four million dollars. Let's get it's so
dismissive and so demeaning that it's hilarious, Like it's absolutely hilarious.
And look, that's that's part of this as well too.
(04:21):
And here's here's because there's going to be some people
that are like, it's arrogant, unqualified. There's gonna be somethople
like it's arrogant. You know, this is all ego and
you're letting the little guy in and and and it's
a great story.
Speaker 6 (04:35):
You know.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Look, man, if you want to be a part of
the party, you got to accept the repercussions that come
with being a part of this party. And being a
part of this party is you walk in the record
player skips and people are like, what are you doing here?
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Don't skip? Scratch it. Yay, we'll let you hang out.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
But just understand, you don't look like anybody else here.
You don't look like anybody here.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
You never had to deal with that. I have. Have
you seen my in laws? Respect? Take that back? Try
being the only guy you know? Respect, Try being the
only guy other than.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Your four year old son, Like, hey, why do you
hang out with us?
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Why are you hanging out with your son? Because I
know what he's saying, What do you mean Mexico. I'm
with you, Jerry, But the boy did I step down
the wrong lane that? But didn't even think that was
very selfless of me. I'm sorry. Listen to what right?
(05:37):
I know, I know what you go through. Man, You're
so right.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
But like to Nick Samon's points, like this is this
is part of it. I mean they're here and you
hope they represent themselves well, but like this is part
of it.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
Man, we know what that sets the stage for when
someone of his magnitude and caliber of a person uh
accomplishments and that if Mints as a coach, this sets
the stage for those to be the biggest games, those
truly should be the biggest games. Are watching the JMUS
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there's another one that's in there, right, Who's there's another
smaller team that's that's in.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
The lane, Tulane, Tulane.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
That to me, I would not be interested in watching
a JMU game. I would not be interested in watching Tulane.
Like maybe like throw it on see like Okay, all right,
turn it off. But when you have someone like coach
Saban come out and say that like you're a triple
A team, you're not even a team that should be you.
(06:44):
You've not had to win a game that would count
for you winning in the big leagues, and you deserving
to be in the World Series playoffs, you know, said
wild Saban said, quote these guys ought to have their
own playoffs.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Just give them the money. Each school gets four million
dollars for playing the first round. Just give them four
million dollars and putting Notre Dame in want to see
Notre Dame in organ play?
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Hell, yeah you do, man, that's the truth. Sorry, that's
the truth. Yes.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
But with that being said, now it raises the state.
So here you go, jam You, Here you go, Tulane,
go whoop somebody's ass? Or if you're the team they're playing, who,
who's jam you playing first?
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Oregan?
Speaker 4 (07:26):
Who is who is Tulane playing first? That they already
lost to? Okay, ole miss and Oregon better win by
one hundred points, and that's exactly better. They better win
by one hundred points. No, no, winning is not good enough.
Oregon winning is not good enough. Old miss You better
thump them every single minute of that game, because you
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know what would happen if a Triple A team played
a major league team, They would get thumped. They would
get thumped. You're basically saying if a college team played
a pro team in a game, that that should never happen.
That's what coach Saban said. That's if I'm comprehending it.
(08:12):
He's saying that the developmental League should never be competing
for a developmental league team should never be competing for
a World's there. So you're basically saying a college team
should never play a pro team. If a pro team
ever played a college team, what you think would happen?
They had better destroyed. And I'm talking the best college team.
(08:33):
I'm talking to team Ohio State. I'm talking. I'm talking
when Nick Saban was coach in Alabama. They had better
not be the worst team, let alone a playoff team
in the National Football League.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Let me ask you a question, and I'm trying to
figure out how I want to frame this, because like
I want people to know that you were recruited to
play college basketball, correct, Like you were recruited you know
by you know Bob Huggins. Yeah, you know, John Thompson
like all this, so you would actually have an understanding
as well as anybody, and you played high level college football.
(09:10):
Why do you think it is that in the NCAA tournament,
we're okay with Cinderella team, yeah, and we almost are
pulling for it, but in this one it's this, ugh,
what are you doing here?
Speaker 3 (09:27):
Yeah? Is it just because it's new, Like it's.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Almost like it's it's almost like if you loose. Look,
Virginia was a one seed and lost to a sixteen
seed in the NCAA Tournament and it was the first
time it ever happened, and yeah, they got their balls broken.
But we've seen fifteen seeds be two seeds. We've seen fourteens,
b threes, et cetera, et cetera, the twelve and the
five all the time. There's so many and if you
have one bad half of basketball on a neutral site.
(09:51):
But why do you think that there's this, for lack
of a better term, arrogance when it comes to college
football or is that just college football culture, especially in
college football culture.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Is an arrogant culture.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
It is it is, and it's a very very uh
top heavy, dominant culture, because at the end of the day,
he could have said the same thing about the bottom
teams in the SEC or the Big Ten, or even
in the in the ACC. Yeah right, Like, think about it,
none of them belonging to playoff either. Have you seen
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them play?
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Give them four million dollars?
Speaker 4 (10:29):
Don't believe he Have you seen some of these bottom
dwelling big conference schools play?
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Throw them some cash and tell them to get the
hell hell out of here. Man, we only need you
for a couple of wins to get into the play
You do it? Hey, how much? Can you just go
ahead take a walk?
Speaker 4 (10:44):
Your only flex is to say you're in the Big Ten,
in the Big ten Conference. Your only flex is to
say I'm in the SEC. That's your only flex because
at the end of the day, they do not view
the bottom teams. That's why the Vanderbilt story is so crazy.
That's why the Indiana story is so Do you understand
(11:05):
people are still reeling from and trying to figure out
what the.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Just happened this year?
Speaker 4 (11:18):
Indiana is your Big Ten Conference champion, and they don't
look like they're going anywhere. It doesn't look like the
Kirk Signetti influence and impact is fake. It's for real.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
So if you see what took place with Indiana, and
they're showing that they have the cash to be able
to create what it is that they want to create,
which is a winner in the Big Ten. Holy moly,
you beat Organ in Organ, you beat Ohio State in
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the Big Ten championship game, Indiana.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
You know the first thing I think about when I here.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
Indiana Colbert Cheney, Isaiah Thomas, Bobby Knightight, the Hoosiers, like
the movie Football. I think Ala Gulia. I know you
know who he is because you played for your team.
(12:28):
I don't think of anything else that Joan Randall m Yeah,
Michael Pennick say, he ain't even want to be there.
He rolled out. Let me go somewhere where I can.
And now they're in the Big Ten. Like you left
the Big Ten. You went to the back and then
you ended up being that dead.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
I mean, you're gone, but they ended up being in
the Big Ten.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
Anyway, Listen, if you are never afforded the opportunity to
improve your circumstances is then why are you here?
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Why are you here?
Speaker 4 (13:06):
If I can't turn There's probably was a point where
once some of these schools that are considered to be
blue blood schools were looked at and talked about and
criticized and put down just like JMU.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
Yeah, yeah, of course.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
And now they're this team, right, Indiana was that team?
Speaker 3 (13:29):
I mean, we did. This is a great example. It's
a great example.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
But I'm talking even smaller like even smaller like Cincinnati
flirts with being next level. They flirt with it. But again,
imagine a JMU. Nobody takes you say, JMU, nobody's taking
that seriously.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
And big major.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
Power for football, we're not taking JAMU seriously. But what
if they get into a game like this where they're
not on the stage that they've been on all year.
They're on a big stage and there's a different audience
and there's a different level of scrutiny and criticism and
and breaking down and analyzing, and they throw down.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
That's what sport is supposed to be about. Opportunity. One
of the.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
Best stories in the Bible was an underdog story, David
versus Goliath, and and and in sports, you're able to
take and create these types of storylines where it was
a larger than life situation that a daunting task in
front of this group of people and they stepped up
(14:44):
to the plate and they answered the call and.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
They rung that bell.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
That's what to me, that's what makes sports and athletics amazing. Sure,
I would love to see Oregon versus Notre Dame more
than I would love because I know what the knowns
are of.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Of that game. These are two elite programs.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
But what if for one moment you could say to yourself,
jam you showed that they are an elite program this
year and they afforded themselves the opportunity to measure and way,
can we start to get the same recruits that you're getting.
Can we be looked at and revered the same way
you guys are being looked at and being revered. I
almost feel like, for what is worth all respect to
(15:24):
coach Saban, because obviously he's coach Saban, but coach, give
the little guy a chance, like, don't like hoard it
all to yourself.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
He is he going, hey, you use.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
This door over here, Like whoa, what do you mean
that's why you're drinking fountain? That's not your fountain brouh,
Like yeah, maybe he does want to give me a chance.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
He wants to give him four million dollars and go away,
just leave us along. I don't buy into that.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
It's an elitist type, like and I think that Nick
Saban is a dope dude, But that comes across as
like disconnected, detached and removed from the reality of what
could exist.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
I'm telling you, But in the NCAA tournament for basketball, like,
you don't get any of this. It's not there's a
different train of and their numb to it. Maybe it's
because of the amount like games, Yeah, that their numb
to it. It's like early rounds, it's like, oh, okay,
I expect I expect upsets in the early rounds.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
When the Cinderella teams really matter is.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
When you get down, when you start knocking it down,
you get to the sweet sixteen.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
And be on Mason and and.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
Look at what Larynaga was able to do as a
coach based off of showing that he could coach this
George Mason team to the level what he did.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Look at what Shaka Smart did at VCU, Like, I mean,
you have to have these opportunities. Stevens at Butler u
gon Zacha.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
Fore, Gonzaga has now built a reputation in the legacy
off of being that small team that brings big time
players and basketball to the table.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
And again, here's the thing.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
Why shouldn't Gonzaga or VCU or George Mason and some
of these other schools that are small schools at the
college level, Why shouldn't they have the opportunity to go
get the same players that Kentucky and u KHN and
and and those teams Arkansas and Alabama.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Why shouldn't they be able to go get those players.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
Why shouldn't JAM you be able to go and get get.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
And now who's playing in the playoffs? Jam? And not bad?
Speaker 4 (17:37):
Like I felt like I messed up there there at
the acronym James Mason. I'm sorry, James Madison. Look, James Madison, Look,
Give them four million dollars. Tell them to take a walk,
Give them four million dollars. Make sure everybody knows what
jail you've got complaints here? Take this four million some
four million bucks.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Beat it. I just I just to me. It now
broke as it raises the stakes.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
It raises the stakes of how I'm viewing these games,
because you've now put the spotlight not on the small guy,
You've put it on the big guy. And just like
just like everybody loves to see and be able to
say I told you so. You know what else they
love like you said the in the NCAA basketball tournament.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
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Speaker 4 (18:24):
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with Apollo Creed?
Speaker 3 (18:29):
And you know what Apollo Creed's trainer was saying to him.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
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I watched you dish out a beating on this man
that I had never seen you ever do or either
(18:53):
even someone else ever do before, and he kept coming back.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
You don't want that, don't want that fight. Now.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
I'm looking for, damn you to have people saying, oh,
they taking a whooping like I ain't never seen before,
and they keep coming back, Champ.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
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Speaker 4 (27:19):
Right the way we just killed three trees with the
amount of I don't even know, I won't even looked
at these. I don't even know why we printed these out.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
But but yeah, offensively, they were left a lot to
be desired.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
Defensively, both teams are phenomenal. Matthew Stafford, which I think
this is the most concerning aspect of this game going
down the stretch is Stafford had an amazing He didn't
just have a good game, he had an amazingly great game,
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and and he was dealing it up. They were you
know who can Kua was cooking them up like it was.
It seemed like it was supposed to be a Rams
night in some way. Somehow Seattle found a way to
do what they needed to do to not only pull
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back into the game, but tie the game, take it
the extra extra innings in the game, and.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Pull it out. Pull it out.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
So the mistake comes with you know, and I guess
it really wasn't a mistake because they scored in overtime. Yeah,
I just think that they had you know, they had
the perfect play dowed up for once there was enough
time to do it because a lot of the things
that they were doing Seattle was based off of climbing,
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you know, six seven step drops, you know, play action,
and it didn't materialize the way that it probably was
drawing because they didn't have the time. I mean, they
were getting torn up in the interior line, they were
getting pressure from the outside of the line. They started
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bringing safety blitzes, secondary blitzes. They were really really keeping
Donald under duress. And so for that last that final
two point conversion to work the way that it did,
the Titan having to be as patient as he was
before he leaked into his pass route, I mean, give
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them credit they found the way to do it, because
I didn't think they'd have enough offense to get down
the field and scoring overtime. I was like, the Rams
got him. When they scored, I was like, the Rams
got him. They got to go sixty what was it,
sixty five yards? They had to go.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Yeah, and look, give Sam Darnold a lot of credit.
He had two nuts on the tables throws in overtime,
the one doing Jackson Smith and Jigbud down the sideline
was at Cooper Cup down the sidel No, it was
just a fantastic game. I actually I come away from
that game and I go, I don't think that the
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Seahawks can win a Super Bowl, but I'm sure that
the Rams can. Like there's another level to what the
Rams can do that just Seattle can't match. And it
may be just as simple as they've got the better quarterback.
But there was no DeVante Adams last night. And that
Seattle defense, which is one of the better defenses in
the league, had zero answers for Puka Nakua.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Zero.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Matthew Stafford was out there doing no look passes like
somebody stole from him. He was dancing, he was I
just think defensively for the Rams, they totally melted down
and never completely recovered after that.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
Two point conversion.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Like that two point conversion was so bizarre and so strange.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
I walked away.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
So when they went for the two point conversion, they
get it to thirty to twenty eight, they go for two.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
I walk away, they didn't.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Get it whatever, And then I come back and it's
thirty thirty, Yeah they got it.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Then me just walk downstairs, and you know, Sean McVay
was frustrated with the call. Afterwards, the Rams are very
frustrated about the call. So do we have the Sean
McVay talking about the two point conversion. Just want some answers,
just wants a little bit of clarity when it comes
to that bizarre play, in that bizarre moment last night.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
I've never quite.
Speaker 6 (31:32):
Seen anything like what happened on the two point conversion
where you're wind up to kick off, then they say
it's a fumble because they had the clear and obvious recovery.
Now you tack it on, you make it a thirty
thirty game. Very interesting. Didn't get a clear explanation of
everything that went on just because of some of the
timing of it. They were trying to be able to
do that. But that's the thing that I've said, I've
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never seen anything or never been a part of anything
like that, and I've grown up around this game. I'm
not making excuses.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
We don't do that.
Speaker 6 (31:59):
I don't believe that it doesn't move us forward, but
we do want clarity and an understanding of, you know,
the things that we can do to minimize that.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
When we rejected the two point.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
Conversion, and that's a fair that's a that's a fair
explanation and conclusion from Veigh and.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
And I think his like the real frustration was they
had moved on, were lined up to kick, and next thing,
you know, wait what we're reviewing it and and now
like they.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Got the call.
Speaker 4 (32:26):
Those plays are reviewable, like they're able, and look they
got it right.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
And that's all you can ask is that they got
the now.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
The one the other one in the game where you know,
a legal man downfield from the one yard that I
don't know how that's necessarily possible, Like there was some
questionable stuff.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
But you know, it does go back to the uh
to your guy who can? Who can? Nakua who? Uh?
Who criticized the officials.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
As we talked about what it was they struck well
he uh. He quickly went to social media, did pookin aku?
I believe roughly seven minutes they had it seven minutes
after he went into the tunnel after the game was over,
and had a tweet that he quickly deleted something along
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the lines of basically, you know, can you say I
was wrong?
Speaker 3 (33:16):
Thanks?
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Zebras, you know, like like whatever, you know whatever comment
he made on that live stream with Aiden Ross and
you know, somebody named Neon I believe it's their name.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
But Puka Nikua posted a tweet.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
He quickly deleted it, and then afterwards Sean McVay was
asked about that, and you could tell was very frustrated
about having to answer questions about a tweet from his
star player following an emotional loss like that.
Speaker 6 (33:42):
Did like a distraction this week?
Speaker 3 (33:43):
No, it wasn't a distraction at all.
Speaker 6 (33:45):
Did you think his play showed that he was distracted?
I didn't think so either. He went off today he didn't,
you know what, and I apologize for you know what.
I love this team, and man, when you point out
as much as our group does and you care so
much about something and you come up short, it's incredibly disappointing.
But as it relates to just the things that that
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you're asking, you know, we always want to make sure
that we handle ourselves with class, learn from it. Will
put my arm around him and continue to educate our guys.
I love this team, I love his heart. I think
he's going to continue to grow and mature and I'm
going to be there right there with him to.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
Continue to help do that. So there was obviously that
there was he loves hookah bruh.
Speaker 4 (34:25):
Yeah, I mean he saw the way they chest bumped,
like you know, explicitive, explicitive like like yeah, after that
touchdown he got which which, by the way, we talked
about the coolness and the uniqueness of the route that
they were able to Uh, the Seattle Seahawks were able
to get their two point conversion on that passing route
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that Whok and Nakula got and scored on at the
end of the game. That dip was fire too. The
way they cleared it out had the crosser he slid
in underneath. That was a nice That was a dope
play right up as well. They knew exactly how the
the coverage was going to be where where this you
know guy was supposed to clear out like clear up
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in the passing situation.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
Stafford's arm is crazy.
Speaker 4 (35:15):
Yeah, his ball delivery, his his ability to his his
arm talent is it's just.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
And he was feeling it last night. Oh man.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
And you know what's crazy about crazy about Stafford is
that going into the season, first of all, we didn't
know if he was going to sign there sigh Like
there was also the stuff about you know him, you know,
where's he gonna end up if he ends up in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 4 (35:37):
We're having a totally different conversation about the Steelers because Stafford's.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Winning the MVP despite you know, them losing last night.
They didn't lose because of him. He was fantastic. But also, yeah,
the back issue, Like there was conversations about, man, he's
got this back issue, like this is going to linger
all season, and here we are, it's late December. He's
the MVP of the league and that looks like potentially
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the best team in the NFL coming off a loss,
like no DeVante Adams and they did what they did
against that defense, Like that's why I come away from
that game and I go, man, that's that's a huge
win for Seattle.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
They had to have it.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
But I don't think the Rams are concerned at all
about having to go.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
Into Seattle and when and win another game there.
Speaker 4 (36:23):
They I don't know that I could go with you
on that that boat. Again, I think you have to
be concerned because Seattle didn't play their best football and
they were able to access their defense and they didn't
have great offense and still won. I can't say you
don't come away from that game not being concerned about
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what that could mean for the future for the playoffs
as it applies to to Mike McDonald's. McDonald's uh that, which,
by the way, he should be in the Coaches of
the Year conversation as well. What he's been able to
do in the turnaround of the Seattle Seahawks team. I
think you certainly have to look at the Seattle Seahawks
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team as as a threat and in the NFC they
can beat any team on the NFC side, and to
that point, they can beat any team on the AFC side.
So to say that you don't think that they could
be a Super Bowl champ, but you came away with
knowing that the.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
Rams could be.
Speaker 4 (37:30):
And they're missing the Davonte Like I don't even put
Davonte Adams on the level of receiver that he once
was before he's gotten to this point. He's he is
a nice he is a nice contributor. He is a
nice compliment to Houka Nakua. But but make no mistake
about it, it's Puka and the rest of them, And
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sure he can make a difference, but I'm not I'm
not looking at it like he is the determining factor, Like, oh,
you get him back like it's it's just it's lights out,
like now, the game would have probably gone exactly the
same way that it went last night. Really, I don't
think he's I don't think he he makes them that
much better where they win that game.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
I don't he's good.
Speaker 4 (38:13):
But like to say, oh, well, wait till they get
Adams back, Like, nah, I don't think that that's the
conversation point.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
In, Look, I have you know, Seattle's a very good team.
Seattle is going to be a playoff team. Seattle's number
one in their division, yeah, I mean and number one
of the conference like all of that. Yeah, but there's
three games left, and so you know, a lot, a
lot can change the Niners control their destiny like a
lot can change. I just think if you were to
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ask right now, who do you believe can win under
any condition at any point during the postseason.
Speaker 4 (38:47):
I will take the ram, but I don't think any
I don't think you have to be wrong to make
it right for me to say that it would be Seattle.
Speaker 3 (38:55):
Yeah, but let's take it. There's there's multiple teams.
Speaker 4 (39:00):
There's multiple teams that I would say could win under
any circumstances. The Eagles, while struggling to be the top
of the NFC East and not having the type of
offense that that they should be having this year, are
still a team that is capable of winning under any circumstances,
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any any weather conditions, any team, any personnel groupings, whatever
it is. Matchup wise, the Eagles match up well with anybody.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
I'd also I'd say the Bears, Bears get carried away here.
Speaker 4 (39:39):
I'll say the Bears, I'd say the Seahawks and the Rams,
all of those in the NFC sticks picks could win
under any circumstances and match up well under any circumstances today.
And I throw Detroit in there as a light like lightly,
throw Detroit in.
Speaker 3 (39:59):
There, getting the tricking a little love? Why not? Damn?
Speaker 4 (40:04):
I would have said green Bay, but I don't. That
is a loss that those two losses Watson and and
have we got any updates on.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
Watch He's I think he's gonna play Okay, he avoided
they thought he like there's like he broke his collar bone.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
Like we were talking earlier this week about you know,
sometimes people you know, know immediately when an injury occurred,
and then.
Speaker 4 (40:29):
Other times it just looks like swinging a miss.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
He looked like he died on the field. How bad
that hurts? We have a problem.
Speaker 4 (40:39):
That man was face down for a seconds like man
like pool that chalk out outline his body.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
He died on the field. Yeah, it's uh, that's Look.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
I think the both conferences, the AFC and the NFC
are are pretty wide open.
Speaker 3 (40:53):
But there's a reason why, you know, the Rams are
the favorite.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
And look, maybe this is And look, pople in Seattle
listening right now are probably gonna be very upset.
Speaker 3 (41:02):
They should be.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
Patrick Sweeka is wearing a Reese Witherspoon jersey right now.
So he's wearing a Witherspoon jersey right now, and he's like,
you know, people are going to be upset about it.
And this could be the fact that I think I,
along with you and Brady all had Seattle finishing last
in that division. I clearly clearly whiffed on that one.
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I just look at last night and I go, I
think it was more about and it was a great
finish from Sam Darnold.
Speaker 3 (41:33):
There's just been.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
Way too many times, especially in the last month and
a half, where offensively Seattle just.
Speaker 3 (41:41):
Hasn't been good like they haven't been good.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
Defensively, They've been there, but offensively, I just I can't trust.
Speaker 4 (41:47):
Do you want to go back through the history of
time on team, like we could go back to two thousand,
start two thousand Trent Dilferd in that offense, they had
Jamal Lewis, which if you ain't got Jamal Lewis and
Shannon Sharpe on that offense, you know, I don't know,
but that wasn't the catalysts of them.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
Being able to win. It was their defense. Kadri Ishmael
on that team missile foot up Q.
Speaker 4 (42:14):
It wasn't a great offense. No, no, no, you can
go through time. There weren't great offenses. I didn't think
Gruden's Tampa Bay offense was a great offense.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
You had to have so many things go wrong last night.
And this is no disrespect. I love what Mike McDonald's done.
I think he's fantastic. I love the Seahawks. The Unis
last night hard, really them helmets is hard. That UNI
was hard. You ain't like that, listen, joint was fire?
Speaker 3 (42:43):
Go back to the.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
Larger unis enough enough, Like let's come to this. You
know what, We're just on different pages today. And it's fine,
which one different.
Speaker 4 (42:55):
Different strokes, But are we in a different boat or
on different page?
Speaker 3 (43:02):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (43:03):
I mean it's a two pros and a cup of
Joe book. I would assume it's being written. Whatever we're
doing it, whatever we do, is being written.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
There's just so many things that had to go right
last night for Seattle to win that game, like so
many things, like so.
Speaker 4 (43:18):
Many Look, couldn't you say the same exact thing for
the Rams. There were so many things that had to
go right for them to win the game last night.
Speaker 1 (43:25):
Like Sam Darnold had some really bad throws, like like
really bad, Like Matthew Stafford's not even looking at guys
and completing.
Speaker 4 (43:33):
You don't see that as a concern that you could
do all of those things as Matthew Stafford with the
stat line that he had, it was a Gotti stat line,
And you still.
Speaker 1 (43:46):
Lost, no, because I look at that and I go,
that's a fluke, rare two point conversion occurrence. That's a
missed kick by a guy who hadn't missed a kick
all year long.
Speaker 4 (43:57):
There's just they were down by how many fifteen four
team sixteen points? They were one Jonas they were owen.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
One fifty five in franchise history, down by that amount
in the fourth quarter. That doesn't happen. Like, there's the
exception in the rule. Last night was the exception. The
rule is they're gonna lose that game. Like that's how
I look at well.
Speaker 4 (44:18):
I'll say, I don't disagree with the way you presented
that that last point as your final point. Maybe you
stumbled on it by accident. I'll give you, yeah, because
that's what we have around We actually do have a
prompter line arounder somewhere that's right in front of you.
Speaker 3 (44:35):
That's that's that's it right there, it's right in front
of you. It's not up, but it's not what we
don't need one. Yeah, we got papers. We killed four trees.
Well that is true, you know that is true.
Speaker 4 (44:46):
Yeah, start upload, start start putting our scripts in the game.
Speaker 3 (44:50):
Yet the whole forest right now?
Speaker 4 (44:56):
What you do with today, bab? What you do it today, bab.
That's two in a row. I will say this. You
don't to buck your your point. You don't be what
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you just said and winning a game against the Rams,
but be the number one team in your division and
the top rated team one of the top rated teams
conference in the conference. You're the number one team in
the conference conference. Yeah, I don't. I don't see that
as oh well, there's an exception to the rule, and
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then there's what it is, what it's supposed to be,
and how it's supposed to happen. Well, Seattle has done
quite a job to climb to. Uh, yeah, there's twelve
and three.
Speaker 1 (45:52):
I'm not scoffing at like it's I think it's you know,
a great story, and.
Speaker 4 (45:57):
You kind of are though you're kind of putting them
in a different book on a different pages.
Speaker 3 (46:04):
You're kind of putting them in a different book.
Speaker 1 (46:06):
I'm sorry, and I don't mean to put them in
the book they don't want to read. But I just
I come away from last night going, yeah, I congratulations.
Speaker 3 (46:16):
I just I think there's going to be concerns moving forward.
Speaker 4 (46:19):
But you have listen, You're right, there should be concern
because the offense did not give them what they needed.
But in football, we always say win two out of
the three phases of the game when the turnover battle,
and you will win the game, which is crazy because
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they lost the turnover battle horribly, lost it horribly, but
they won the three out of the three phases. They
won two phases of the game. They got contribution from
from from special teams. Their special teams boned them. The
game is over if he makes field goal. Let's keep
that in mind. He misses the field goal that allowed
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for it to go the way that it went. It
goes into overtime. They lose a game. That's football, and
for what it's worth. Instead of you sitting there putting
down the Seattle Seahawks, what you should say is this
is what football game should look like when you get
to this point in the season. Maybe you aren't going
to have the best day on offense, maybe you're not
going to have the best day on defense. Maybe those
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are the strengths of your team. Maybe that isn't what
cameen's to the table. Y'all had a game to play.
It was a divisional game. They did not The Seattle
Seahawks did not own the type breaker. The Rams got
the first one. You got a must win situation to
offset the type breaker and give yourself an opportunity for
home field advantage, and you found a way to win
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the game. And sports, I don't care if it is
the prettiest, most beautiful win that you could categorize ever
in the three of the game.
Speaker 3 (47:56):
Or if it's the ugliest win. A win is a win.
Speaker 4 (48:01):
I'm not coming out of the game like you know.
You come out of the game with injuries, that's a concern.
You come out of game and it looks like he's
got the yips, that's a concern. I didn't see that
from Donald. He made some really fine throws in the clutch.
I did not see yips. Great play. He didn't come
out saying he saw ghosts that That isn't the Sam
Darnald that was out there last Night's never gonna live
(48:22):
so far there you go, just keeping it real.
Speaker 3 (48:26):
He's not going to live that down. We're gonna live
that down. I'm not. Uh.
Speaker 1 (48:29):
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Speaker 3 (52:16):
But both teams are banged up.
Speaker 1 (52:18):
The Packers obviously with Micah Parsons injury, Christian Watson has
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where who the hell is going to be healthy and you're.
Speaker 4 (52:53):
Sitting there talking about wait till they get Davonte back?
Who cares guys are injured? You got to know how
to think.
Speaker 3 (53:03):
Devonte Adams is a key member of the Yes, I do.
Speaker 4 (53:07):
But what I'm saying is, at this point in the season,
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or you can't quite get out of these games.
Speaker 1 (53:22):
Like I was thinking about this as well too, because
there's so many bad teams in the NFL, like in
this case this year, is a lot of them in
this game, for example, between the Bears and the Packers.
So Christian Watson is banged up, obviously, Josh Jacob Zach
Tom Tremaine Edmonds is coming back from the IR he's
been out for some time, but that's a fossition.
Speaker 3 (53:44):
He's he's questionable.
Speaker 1 (53:46):
And I almost have it in my mind in talking
about bad teams in the NFL being like, you know what, like,
what's the point listen, Jaden Daniels sit this one? Like
it really is now to a point where in games
like this, no, if you can go, you're going, like
if you're even a fraction of a hundred of healthy,
(54:06):
like you're gonna go. And there's just gonna be guys
out there that are gonna run the risk of further
injury because of how big these games are. And we're
just you see last night and you go, those are
two really good teams. Those are teams that are going
to be playoff teams. And it almost kind of jars
you into rethinking, oh, yeah, like there's actually good teams
in the league, because there's a lot of crap and
(54:28):
you almost get I almost catch myself evaluating or talking
about teams that are bad, almost like throwaways, when the
reality is, no, there's other teams in the league that
actually could win this whole thing. And if guys are
going to be if there's the potential of them being
out there, they're gonna be out there. And if you
run further risk of injury, so be it. Like the
(54:50):
Green Bay is riddled with injuries up and down there,
but damn they're favorite to win that game tomorrow night
in Chicago. Their favorite to win that game. It just
it feels like we're at the separation point to where
last night was sort of the early preview of playoff football.
Speaker 3 (55:07):
Yeah, yeah, that's what you like.
Speaker 4 (55:09):
It did, and that's why I should be concerning that
the Rams came out on the wrong side of that game.
And as we go into these matchups with teams as
good as Chicago and Green Bay going into it, yeah,
you are going to have a playoff feel to it.
And listen, you know, it's not a winner, go home game,
(55:29):
so it is a tat bit different. But nonetheless, do
you not think that Ben Johnson and the Chicago Bears
want to cap off, you know, begin to cap off
of regular season where there was a true turnaround that
took place in Chicago, a turnaround that people have been
(55:52):
hoping for, wishing for, praying for. Like people, all they
wanted for Christmas was Chicago to be a competitive football team.
That was only if they wanted. Now look at them now,
they're a good team. They're a competitive team. So and
this Green Bay Packers team, it's much the same.
Speaker 1 (56:09):
By the way, a quick update, the Lion has now
moved on DraftKings. The Bears are a one and a
half point favorite. It opened up earlier this week with
green Bay the favorite but still expected to be a
close game. And I'm fascinated to see what green Bay
is without Michael Parsons.
Speaker 3 (56:28):
I want to see how that impact.
Speaker 4 (56:30):
They're still going to be good, yeah, They're just not
going to be as dynamic a defense without them. And
I would say that for the Dallas Cowboys or any
other team that Michael Parsons was on that wasn't he
wasn't on there anymore, or something like an injury took
him off the field. They're not going to be as dynamic,
(56:53):
They're not going to be as scary a defense without
Michael Parsons on the field. I mean, think about it.
Would would we say the same thing about Lawrence Taylor?
Would we say the same thing about Reggie White? Would
we say that the same thing about Mi ray Lewis
moles Garrett If they're not on the field, While they
may be a good team, to sit there and actually
(57:15):
fix your mouth to say that you could actually be better,
like they fixed their mouths to say in Dallas that
they were actually better. People in the media said that
this was this team was I heard Colin say it
that this team was actually better without Michael Parsons.
Speaker 3 (57:34):
What a whiff?
Speaker 1 (57:35):
Well, I mean, because that's a miss because they're able
to stop the run better, and being able to stop
the run is really going to help out on Valentine's
Day weekend when the season's over and they've been out
of football for you know, a month and a half,
that's really gonna it's really gonna help out.
Speaker 3 (57:48):
You could stop the run better, that's for you than Sorry.
Speaker 4 (57:55):
Yeah, that's crazy, that's crazy, man, Fuz.
Speaker 3 (58:08):
That is and crazy. You know what your son just said,
what is it?
Speaker 4 (58:17):
What Ralfie, It's just I met Ralphie.
Speaker 1 (58:25):
H it is careful, it is it just it goes
It's gonna be. I'm curious to see what that looks like.
Because even like Michael Parson has got twelve and a
half sacks on the year, you know how many how
many other plays he impacted the pressure sack on pressure,
there's no there's no way to really put you can't like,
(58:47):
there's nothing you can even.
Speaker 4 (58:49):
The presence of it. Yeah, like him being out there,
you're taking the blocking scheme to his side every single time,
which means that you're creating single singles side. So Rashaun
Gary and company on the opposite side are benefactors. So
if you take into consideration the production of the other
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guys on that defense, you have to also directly attribute
that to the presence of Michael Parsons being on the field.
Speaker 1 (59:18):
And you're less likely to after bringing a tight end
or receiver to chip. Now opens up the passing game.
Speaker 4 (59:23):
Now you're going to see if Green Bay can do
it the way they were doing it without Micah where
they're now turning the defense or turning the blocking scheme
to Rashaw and Gary or taking it to the most
dangerous linebacker. However, the sinner is going to call it out.
But you're not going to see the same successes from
some of these guys on the defense that you saw
(59:45):
when Michael Parsons was there. And that's going to be
interesting to see if they can navigate as a defense
because when you have a guy as special as Michael
Parsons out there, you don't have to worry about making
the right play call. You know that the play call
is going to be a good play call no matter
what it is, because you're going to get that element
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of pressure from your defensive front. So if I want
to go in a more heavy coverage, it doesn't matter.
I'm still going to get the same type of pressure.
I don't have to pull somebody out as you mentioned,
like they got to keep a tight end in to
block out of dadas and that I don't have to
bring down a safety or do blitzes that are like
kind of creative and all this because I can get
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that pressure from just the four or the three that
I'm going to send that are in the defensive front.
Now you're down one and he's your most effective pass rusher.
That's down. That is a tremendous loss. It's like trying
to run around with your big toe off like you
lost your big too. See how that works. You don't
realize how how serious a body part is until you
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You got you got issues, But we are. We were
off and running here an hour two of the program,
and there's a lot of things that are happening, things
that are taking place. First and foremost, we recap Thursday
at football last night. It was a class. We've got
some big games coming up later on this weekend in
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the NFL. Those will be featured in our Picks against
the Spread coming up an hour three of the program.
We mentioned you know, sprinkle some Jake, Paul, Anthony Joshua
on Netflix coming up later on. Like all that is fun.
And then there's the return of the college football playoffs.
The College Football Playoff is back. It opens up tonight.
(02:13):
It's a good one. It's in Norman. You're gonna have
a rematch between Alabama and Oklahoma is.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
Going to be off the rottle thump, aw say, are
going to get it in Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
It's gonna be awesome. It's gonna be a lot of fun.
But you know, Nick Saban's got some thoughts. Oh god, Uh,
I mean, listen, he's got some thoughts on you know,
not so much Alabama, but he's got some thoughts on
the little playoffs, James Madison getting in and James Madison.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Uh, you know, having a playoff spot over a team
like say Notre Dame.
Speaker 5 (02:50):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Nick Saban shared and aired those grievances on The Pat
McAfee show starring AJ Hawk.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Let's take a listen.
Speaker 5 (02:57):
Look, would we allow the winner of the trip away
Baseball League, the International League whatever they call. I don't
even know the name of it. Would you let them
in the in the World Series playoff?
Speaker 3 (03:10):
I don't think they do.
Speaker 5 (03:12):
I don't think no, they don't. But I'm saying, but
that's the equivalent of what we do when j m
U gets in to the college football playoff and Notre
Dame doesn't.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
I mean.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Yes, I mean the man's like, ether, Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
That's one way to put it.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
Oh man, oh man, Oh, they ain't even in the
same league.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Uh, you know, like you know, he also pointed out,
you know, like the playoff bonus. Just give that to them.
And and let's get Notre dame in. Just give them,
you know, the four million dollars. Let's get it's so
dismissive and so demeaning that it's hilarious, Like it's absolutely hilarious.
And look, that's that's part of this as well too.
(04:21):
And here's here's because there's going to be some people
that are like, it's arrogant, unqualified. There's gonna be somethople
like it's arrogant. You know, this is all ego and
you're letting the little guy in and and and it's
a great story.
Speaker 6 (04:35):
You know.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Look, man, if you want to be a part of
the party, you got to accept the repercussions that come
with being a part of this party. And being a
part of this party is you walk in the record
player skips and people are like, what are you doing here?
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Don't skip? Scratch it. Yay, we'll let you hang out.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
But just understand, you don't look like anybody else here.
You don't look like anybody here.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
You never had to deal with that. I have. Have
you seen my in laws? Respect? Take that back? Try
being the only guy you know? Respect, Try being the
only guy other than.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Your four year old son, Like, hey, why do you
hang out with us?
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Why are you hanging out with your son? Because I
know what he's saying, What do you mean Mexico. I'm
with you, Jerry, But the boy did I step down
the wrong lane that? But didn't even think that was
very selfless of me. I'm sorry. Listen to what right?
(05:37):
I know, I know what you go through. Man, You're
so right.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
But like to Nick Samon's points, like this is this
is part of it. I mean they're here and you
hope they represent themselves well, but like this is part
of it.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
Man, we know what that sets the stage for when
someone of his magnitude and caliber of a person uh
accomplishments and that if Mints as a coach, this sets
the stage for those to be the biggest games, those
truly should be the biggest games. Are watching the JMUS
(06:14):
there's another one that's in there, right, Who's there's another
smaller team that's that's in.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
The lane, Tulane, Tulane.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
That to me, I would not be interested in watching
a JMU game. I would not be interested in watching Tulane.
Like maybe like throw it on see like Okay, all right,
turn it off. But when you have someone like coach
Saban come out and say that like you're a triple
A team, you're not even a team that should be you.
(06:44):
You've not had to win a game that would count
for you winning in the big leagues, and you deserving
to be in the World Series playoffs, you know, said
wild Saban said, quote these guys ought to have their
own playoffs.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Just give them the money. Each school gets four million
dollars for playing the first round. Just give them four
million dollars and putting Notre Dame in want to see
Notre Dame in organ play?
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Hell, yeah you do, man, that's the truth. Sorry, that's
the truth. Yes.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
But with that being said, now it raises the state.
So here you go, jam You, Here you go, Tulane,
go whoop somebody's ass? Or if you're the team they're playing, who,
who's jam you playing first?
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Oregan?
Speaker 4 (07:26):
Who is who is Tulane playing first? That they already
lost to? Okay, ole miss and Oregon better win by
one hundred points, and that's exactly better. They better win
by one hundred points. No, no, winning is not good enough.
Oregon winning is not good enough. Old miss You better
thump them every single minute of that game, because you
(07:50):
know what would happen if a Triple A team played
a major league team, They would get thumped. They would
get thumped. You're basically saying if a college team played
a pro team in a game, that that should never happen.
That's what coach Saban said. That's if I'm comprehending it.
(08:12):
He's saying that the developmental League should never be competing
for a developmental league team should never be competing for
a World's there. So you're basically saying a college team
should never play a pro team. If a pro team
ever played a college team, what you think would happen?
They had better destroyed. And I'm talking the best college team.
(08:33):
I'm talking to team Ohio State. I'm talking. I'm talking
when Nick Saban was coach in Alabama. They had better
not be the worst team, let alone a playoff team
in the National Football League.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Let me ask you a question, and I'm trying to
figure out how I want to frame this, because like
I want people to know that you were recruited to
play college basketball, correct, Like you were recruited you know
by you know Bob Huggins. Yeah, you know, John Thompson
like all this, so you would actually have an understanding
as well as anybody, and you played high level college football.
(09:10):
Why do you think it is that in the NCAA tournament,
we're okay with Cinderella team, yeah, and we almost are
pulling for it, but in this one it's this, ugh,
what are you doing here?
Speaker 3 (09:27):
Yeah? Is it just because it's new, Like it's.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Almost like it's it's almost like if you loose. Look,
Virginia was a one seed and lost to a sixteen
seed in the NCAA Tournament and it was the first
time it ever happened, and yeah, they got their balls broken.
But we've seen fifteen seeds be two seeds. We've seen fourteens,
b threes, et cetera, et cetera, the twelve and the
five all the time. There's so many and if you
have one bad half of basketball on a neutral site.
(09:51):
But why do you think that there's this, for lack
of a better term, arrogance when it comes to college
football or is that just college football culture, especially in
college football culture.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Is an arrogant culture.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
It is it is, and it's a very very uh
top heavy, dominant culture, because at the end of the day,
he could have said the same thing about the bottom
teams in the SEC or the Big Ten, or even
in the in the ACC. Yeah right, Like, think about it,
none of them belonging to playoff either. Have you seen
(10:28):
them play?
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Give them four million dollars?
Speaker 4 (10:29):
Don't believe he Have you seen some of these bottom
dwelling big conference schools play?
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Throw them some cash and tell them to get the
hell hell out of here. Man, we only need you
for a couple of wins to get into the play
You do it? Hey, how much? Can you just go
ahead take a walk?
Speaker 4 (10:44):
Your only flex is to say you're in the Big Ten,
in the Big ten Conference. Your only flex is to
say I'm in the SEC. That's your only flex because
at the end of the day, they do not view
the bottom teams. That's why the Vanderbilt story is so crazy.
That's why the Indiana story is so Do you understand
(11:05):
people are still reeling from and trying to figure out
what the.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Just happened this year?
Speaker 4 (11:18):
Indiana is your Big Ten Conference champion, and they don't
look like they're going anywhere. It doesn't look like the
Kirk Signetti influence and impact is fake. It's for real.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
So if you see what took place with Indiana, and
they're showing that they have the cash to be able
to create what it is that they want to create,
which is a winner in the Big Ten. Holy moly,
you beat Organ in Organ, you beat Ohio State in
(11:59):
the Big Ten championship game, Indiana.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
You know the first thing I think about when I here.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
Indiana Colbert Cheney, Isaiah Thomas, Bobby Knightight, the Hoosiers, like
the movie Football. I think Ala Gulia. I know you
know who he is because you played for your team.
(12:28):
I don't think of anything else that Joan Randall m Yeah,
Michael Pennick say, he ain't even want to be there.
He rolled out. Let me go somewhere where I can.
And now they're in the Big Ten. Like you left
the Big Ten. You went to the back and then
you ended up being that dead.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
I mean, you're gone, but they ended up being in
the Big Ten.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
Anyway, Listen, if you are never afforded the opportunity to
improve your circumstances is then why are you here?
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Why are you here?
Speaker 4 (13:06):
If I can't turn There's probably was a point where
once some of these schools that are considered to be
blue blood schools were looked at and talked about and
criticized and put down just like JMU.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
Yeah, yeah, of course.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
And now they're this team, right, Indiana was that team?
Speaker 3 (13:29):
I mean, we did. This is a great example. It's
a great example.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
But I'm talking even smaller like even smaller like Cincinnati
flirts with being next level. They flirt with it. But again,
imagine a JMU. Nobody takes you say, JMU, nobody's taking
that seriously.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
And big major.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
Power for football, we're not taking JAMU seriously. But what
if they get into a game like this where they're
not on the stage that they've been on all year.
They're on a big stage and there's a different audience
and there's a different level of scrutiny and criticism and
and breaking down and analyzing, and they throw down.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
That's what sport is supposed to be about. Opportunity. One
of the.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
Best stories in the Bible was an underdog story, David
versus Goliath, and and and in sports, you're able to
take and create these types of storylines where it was
a larger than life situation that a daunting task in
front of this group of people and they stepped up
(14:44):
to the plate and they answered the call and.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
They rung that bell.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
That's what to me, that's what makes sports and athletics amazing. Sure,
I would love to see Oregon versus Notre Dame more
than I would love because I know what the knowns
are of.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Of that game. These are two elite programs.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
But what if for one moment you could say to yourself,
jam you showed that they are an elite program this
year and they afforded themselves the opportunity to measure and way,
can we start to get the same recruits that you're getting.
Can we be looked at and revered the same way
you guys are being looked at and being revered. I
almost feel like, for what is worth all respect to
(15:24):
coach Saban, because obviously he's coach Saban, but coach, give
the little guy a chance, like, don't like hoard it
all to yourself.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
He is he going, hey, you use.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
This door over here, Like whoa, what do you mean
that's why you're drinking fountain? That's not your fountain brouh,
Like yeah, maybe he does want to give me a chance.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
He wants to give him four million dollars and go away,
just leave us along. I don't buy into that.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
It's an elitist type, like and I think that Nick
Saban is a dope dude, But that comes across as
like disconnected, detached and removed from the reality of what
could exist.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
I'm telling you, But in the NCAA tournament for basketball, like,
you don't get any of this. It's not there's a
different train of and their numb to it. Maybe it's
because of the amount like games, Yeah, that their numb
to it. It's like early rounds, it's like, oh, okay,
I expect I expect upsets in the early rounds.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
When the Cinderella teams really matter is.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
When you get down, when you start knocking it down,
you get to the sweet sixteen.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
And be on Mason and and.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
Look at what Larynaga was able to do as a
coach based off of showing that he could coach this
George Mason team to the level what he did.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Look at what Shaka Smart did at VCU, Like, I mean,
you have to have these opportunities. Stevens at Butler u
gon Zacha.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
Fore, Gonzaga has now built a reputation in the legacy
off of being that small team that brings big time
players and basketball to the table.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
And again, here's the thing.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
Why shouldn't Gonzaga or VCU or George Mason and some
of these other schools that are small schools at the
college level, Why shouldn't they have the opportunity to go
get the same players that Kentucky and u KHN and
and and those teams Arkansas and Alabama.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Why shouldn't they be able to go get those players.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
Why shouldn't JAM you be able to go and get get.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
And now who's playing in the playoffs? Jam? And not bad?
Speaker 4 (17:37):
Like I felt like I messed up there there at
the acronym James Mason. I'm sorry, James Madison. Look, James Madison, Look,
Give them four million dollars. Tell them to take a walk,
Give them four million dollars. Make sure everybody knows what
jail you've got complaints here? Take this four million some
four million bucks.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Beat it. I just I just to me. It now
broke as it raises the stakes.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
It raises the stakes of how I'm viewing these games,
because you've now put the spotlight not on the small guy,
You've put it on the big guy. And just like
just like everybody loves to see and be able to
say I told you so. You know what else they
love like you said the in the NCAA basketball tournament.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
They love a Rocky Balboa. They love a Rocky Balboa.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
Why in the world would you get into a fight
with Apollo Creed?
Speaker 3 (18:29):
And you know what Apollo Creed's trainer was saying to him.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
After that first fight that he gave this man that
shouldn't have been in the ring with him. His trainer said, Champ,
I watched you dish out a beating on this man
that I had never seen you ever do or either
(18:53):
even someone else ever do before, and he kept coming back.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
You don't want that, don't want that fight. Now.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
I'm looking for, damn you to have people saying, oh,
they taking a whooping like I ain't never seen before,
and they keep coming back, Champ.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
It'd be a great story, That's all I'm saying. Man.
But but what's really gonna happen. They're gonna get their asses.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
They gonna get tour out the frame, tour out the
more frames. You ain't lying the It's gonna keep photo
after photo, video after video.
Speaker 5 (19:43):
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Speaker 4 (19:58):
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Speaker 3 (20:06):
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was a hell of a game last night in the
NFC West between the Seattle Seahawks and the Los Angeles Rams.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
Again, I think that that could be the two best
teams in the NFC. And listen, I'll tell you what
if I'm the Rams. What I'm most concerned about is
that the Seahawks didn't even play that well on offense.
They weren't even that good on offense. You know, Sam
(26:39):
Darnold did not have an amazing game.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
On on the other side of it, what no, what,
I don't know. It's papers for yours.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
Their own mind. You don't have any, Yeah, you don't
have any.
Speaker 4 (26:58):
I mean Patty printed out a whole bunch of of
picks and all that stuff that you can have mine.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
I ain't. I guess not. You have it up in hell,
let's have no no you. I mean you, by the way,
you were one of them dudes in the class.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
Right the way we just killed three trees with the
amount of I don't even know, I won't even looked
at these. I don't even know why we printed these out.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
But but yeah, offensively, they were left a lot to
be desired.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
Defensively, both teams are phenomenal. Matthew Stafford, which I think
this is the most concerning aspect of this game going
down the stretch is Stafford had an amazing He didn't
just have a good game, he had an amazingly great game,
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and and he was dealing it up. They were you
know who can Kua was cooking them up like it was.
It seemed like it was supposed to be a Rams
night in some way. Somehow Seattle found a way to
do what they needed to do to not only pull
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back into the game, but tie the game, take it
the extra extra innings in the game, and.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Pull it out. Pull it out.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
So the mistake comes with you know, and I guess
it really wasn't a mistake because they scored in overtime. Yeah,
I just think that they had you know, they had
the perfect play dowed up for once there was enough
time to do it because a lot of the things
that they were doing Seattle was based off of climbing,
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you know, six seven step drops, you know, play action,
and it didn't materialize the way that it probably was
drawing because they didn't have the time. I mean, they
were getting torn up in the interior line, they were
getting pressure from the outside of the line. They started
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bringing safety blitzes, secondary blitzes. They were really really keeping
Donald under duress. And so for that last that final
two point conversion to work the way that it did,
the Titan having to be as patient as he was
before he leaked into his pass route, I mean, give
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them credit they found the way to do it, because
I didn't think they'd have enough offense to get down
the field and scoring overtime. I was like, the Rams
got him. When they scored, I was like, the Rams
got him. They got to go sixty what was it,
sixty five yards? They had to go.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Yeah, and look, give Sam Darnold a lot of credit.
He had two nuts on the tables throws in overtime,
the one doing Jackson Smith and Jigbud down the sideline
was at Cooper Cup down the sidel No, it was
just a fantastic game. I actually I come away from
that game and I go, I don't think that the
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Seahawks can win a Super Bowl, but I'm sure that
the Rams can. Like there's another level to what the
Rams can do that just Seattle can't match. And it
may be just as simple as they've got the better quarterback.
But there was no DeVante Adams last night. And that
Seattle defense, which is one of the better defenses in
the league, had zero answers for Puka Nakua.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Zero.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Matthew Stafford was out there doing no look passes like
somebody stole from him. He was dancing, he was I
just think defensively for the Rams, they totally melted down
and never completely recovered after that.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
Two point conversion.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Like that two point conversion was so bizarre and so strange.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
I walked away.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
So when they went for the two point conversion, they
get it to thirty to twenty eight, they go for two.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
I walk away, they didn't.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Get it whatever, And then I come back and it's
thirty thirty, Yeah they got it.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Then me just walk downstairs, and you know, Sean McVay
was frustrated with the call. Afterwards, the Rams are very
frustrated about the call. So do we have the Sean
McVay talking about the two point conversion. Just want some answers,
just wants a little bit of clarity when it comes
to that bizarre play, in that bizarre moment last night.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
I've never quite.
Speaker 6 (31:32):
Seen anything like what happened on the two point conversion
where you're wind up to kick off, then they say
it's a fumble because they had the clear and obvious recovery.
Now you tack it on, you make it a thirty
thirty game. Very interesting. Didn't get a clear explanation of
everything that went on just because of some of the
timing of it. They were trying to be able to
do that. But that's the thing that I've said, I've
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never seen anything or never been a part of anything
like that, and I've grown up around this game. I'm
not making excuses.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
We don't do that.
Speaker 6 (31:59):
I don't believe that it doesn't move us forward, but
we do want clarity and an understanding of, you know,
the things that we can do to minimize that.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
When we rejected the two point.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
Conversion, and that's a fair that's a that's a fair
explanation and conclusion from Veigh and.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
And I think his like the real frustration was they
had moved on, were lined up to kick, and next thing,
you know, wait what we're reviewing it and and now
like they.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Got the call.
Speaker 4 (32:26):
Those plays are reviewable, like they're able, and look they
got it right.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
And that's all you can ask is that they got
the now.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
The one the other one in the game where you know,
a legal man downfield from the one yard that I
don't know how that's necessarily possible, Like there was some
questionable stuff.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
But you know, it does go back to the uh
to your guy who can? Who can? Nakua who? Uh?
Who criticized the officials.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
As we talked about what it was they struck well
he uh. He quickly went to social media, did pookin aku?
I believe roughly seven minutes they had it seven minutes
after he went into the tunnel after the game was over,
and had a tweet that he quickly deleted something along
(33:11):
the lines of basically, you know, can you say I
was wrong?
Speaker 3 (33:16):
Thanks?
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Zebras, you know, like like whatever, you know whatever comment
he made on that live stream with Aiden Ross and
you know, somebody named Neon I believe it's their name.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
But Puka Nikua posted a tweet.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
He quickly deleted it, and then afterwards Sean McVay was
asked about that, and you could tell was very frustrated
about having to answer questions about a tweet from his
star player following an emotional loss like that.
Speaker 6 (33:42):
Did like a distraction this week?
Speaker 3 (33:43):
No, it wasn't a distraction at all.
Speaker 6 (33:45):
Did you think his play showed that he was distracted?
I didn't think so either. He went off today he didn't,
you know what, and I apologize for you know what.
I love this team, and man, when you point out
as much as our group does and you care so
much about something and you come up short, it's incredibly disappointing.
But as it relates to just the things that that
(34:06):
you're asking, you know, we always want to make sure
that we handle ourselves with class, learn from it. Will
put my arm around him and continue to educate our guys.
I love this team, I love his heart. I think
he's going to continue to grow and mature and I'm
going to be there right there with him to.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
Continue to help do that. So there was obviously that
there was he loves hookah bruh.
Speaker 4 (34:25):
Yeah, I mean he saw the way they chest bumped,
like you know, explicitive, explicitive like like yeah, after that
touchdown he got which which, by the way, we talked
about the coolness and the uniqueness of the route that
they were able to Uh, the Seattle Seahawks were able
to get their two point conversion on that passing route
(34:45):
that Whok and Nakula got and scored on at the
end of the game. That dip was fire too. The
way they cleared it out had the crosser he slid
in underneath. That was a nice That was a dope
play right up as well. They knew exactly how the
the coverage was going to be where where this you
know guy was supposed to clear out like clear up
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in the passing situation.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
Stafford's arm is crazy.
Speaker 4 (35:15):
Yeah, his ball delivery, his his ability to his his
arm talent is it's just.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
And he was feeling it last night. Oh man.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
And you know what's crazy about crazy about Stafford is
that going into the season, first of all, we didn't
know if he was going to sign there sigh Like
there was also the stuff about you know him, you know,
where's he gonna end up if he ends up in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 4 (35:37):
We're having a totally different conversation about the Steelers because Stafford's.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Winning the MVP despite you know, them losing last night.
They didn't lose because of him. He was fantastic. But also, yeah,
the back issue, Like there was conversations about, man, he's
got this back issue, like this is going to linger
all season, and here we are, it's late December. He's
the MVP of the league and that looks like potentially
(36:04):
the best team in the NFL coming off a loss,
like no DeVante Adams and they did what they did
against that defense, Like that's why I come away from
that game and I go, man, that's that's a huge
win for Seattle.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
They had to have it.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
But I don't think the Rams are concerned at all
about having to go.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
Into Seattle and when and win another game there.
Speaker 4 (36:23):
They I don't know that I could go with you
on that that boat. Again, I think you have to
be concerned because Seattle didn't play their best football and
they were able to access their defense and they didn't
have great offense and still won. I can't say you
don't come away from that game not being concerned about
(36:45):
what that could mean for the future for the playoffs
as it applies to to Mike McDonald's. McDonald's uh that, which,
by the way, he should be in the Coaches of
the Year conversation as well. What he's been able to
do in the turnaround of the Seattle Seahawks team. I
think you certainly have to look at the Seattle Seahawks
(37:08):
team as as a threat and in the NFC they
can beat any team on the NFC side, and to
that point, they can beat any team on the AFC side.
So to say that you don't think that they could
be a Super Bowl champ, but you came away with
knowing that the.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
Rams could be.
Speaker 4 (37:30):
And they're missing the Davonte Like I don't even put
Davonte Adams on the level of receiver that he once
was before he's gotten to this point. He's he is
a nice he is a nice contributor. He is a
nice compliment to Houka Nakua. But but make no mistake
about it, it's Puka and the rest of them, And
(37:52):
sure he can make a difference, but I'm not I'm
not looking at it like he is the determining factor, Like, oh,
you get him back like it's it's just it's lights out,
like now, the game would have probably gone exactly the
same way that it went last night. Really, I don't
think he's I don't think he he makes them that
much better where they win that game.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
I don't he's good.
Speaker 4 (38:13):
But like to say, oh, well, wait till they get
Adams back, Like, nah, I don't think that that's the
conversation point.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
In, Look, I have you know, Seattle's a very good team.
Seattle is going to be a playoff team. Seattle's number
one in their division, yeah, I mean and number one
of the conference like all of that. Yeah, but there's
three games left, and so you know, a lot, a
lot can change the Niners control their destiny like a
lot can change. I just think if you were to
(38:39):
ask right now, who do you believe can win under
any condition at any point during the postseason.
Speaker 4 (38:47):
I will take the ram, but I don't think any
I don't think you have to be wrong to make
it right for me to say that it would be Seattle.
Speaker 3 (38:55):
Yeah, but let's take it. There's there's multiple teams.
Speaker 4 (39:00):
There's multiple teams that I would say could win under
any circumstances. The Eagles, while struggling to be the top
of the NFC East and not having the type of
offense that that they should be having this year, are
still a team that is capable of winning under any circumstances,
(39:20):
any any weather conditions, any team, any personnel groupings, whatever
it is. Matchup wise, the Eagles match up well with anybody.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
I'd also I'd say the Bears, Bears get carried away here.
Speaker 4 (39:39):
I'll say the Bears, I'd say the Seahawks and the Rams,
all of those in the NFC sticks picks could win
under any circumstances and match up well under any circumstances today.
And I throw Detroit in there as a light like lightly,
throw Detroit in.
Speaker 3 (39:59):
There, getting the tricking a little love? Why not? Damn?
Speaker 4 (40:04):
I would have said green Bay, but I don't. That
is a loss that those two losses Watson and and
have we got any updates on.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
Watch He's I think he's gonna play Okay, he avoided
they thought he like there's like he broke his collar bone.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
Like we were talking earlier this week about you know,
sometimes people you know, know immediately when an injury occurred,
and then.
Speaker 4 (40:29):
Other times it just looks like swinging a miss.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
He looked like he died on the field. How bad
that hurts? We have a problem.
Speaker 4 (40:39):
That man was face down for a seconds like man
like pool that chalk out outline his body.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
He died on the field. Yeah, it's uh, that's Look.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
I think the both conferences, the AFC and the NFC
are are pretty wide open.
Speaker 3 (40:53):
But there's a reason why, you know, the Rams are
the favorite.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
And look, maybe this is And look, pople in Seattle
listening right now are probably gonna be very upset.
Speaker 3 (41:02):
They should be.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
Patrick Sweeka is wearing a Reese Witherspoon jersey right now.
So he's wearing a Witherspoon jersey right now, and he's like,
you know, people are going to be upset about it.
And this could be the fact that I think I,
along with you and Brady all had Seattle finishing last
in that division. I clearly clearly whiffed on that one.
(41:26):
I just look at last night and I go, I
think it was more about and it was a great
finish from Sam Darnold.
Speaker 3 (41:33):
There's just been.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
Way too many times, especially in the last month and
a half, where offensively Seattle just.
Speaker 3 (41:41):
Hasn't been good like they haven't been good.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
Defensively, They've been there, but offensively, I just I can't trust.
Speaker 4 (41:47):
Do you want to go back through the history of
time on team, like we could go back to two thousand,
start two thousand Trent Dilferd in that offense, they had
Jamal Lewis, which if you ain't got Jamal Lewis and
Shannon Sharpe on that offense, you know, I don't know,
but that wasn't the catalysts of them.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
Being able to win. It was their defense. Kadri Ishmael
on that team missile foot up Q.
Speaker 4 (42:14):
It wasn't a great offense. No, no, no, you can
go through time. There weren't great offenses. I didn't think
Gruden's Tampa Bay offense was a great offense.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
You had to have so many things go wrong last night.
And this is no disrespect. I love what Mike McDonald's done.
I think he's fantastic. I love the Seahawks. The Unis
last night hard, really them helmets is hard. That UNI
was hard. You ain't like that, listen, joint was fire?
Speaker 3 (42:43):
Go back to the.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
Larger unis enough enough, Like let's come to this. You
know what, We're just on different pages today. And it's fine,
which one different.
Speaker 4 (42:55):
Different strokes, But are we in a different boat or
on different page?
Speaker 3 (43:02):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (43:03):
I mean it's a two pros and a cup of
Joe book. I would assume it's being written. Whatever we're
doing it, whatever we do, is being written.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
There's just so many things that had to go right
last night for Seattle to win that game, like so
many things, like so.
Speaker 4 (43:18):
Many Look, couldn't you say the same exact thing for
the Rams. There were so many things that had to
go right for them to win the game last night.
Speaker 1 (43:25):
Like Sam Darnold had some really bad throws, like like
really bad, Like Matthew Stafford's not even looking at guys
and completing.
Speaker 4 (43:33):
You don't see that as a concern that you could
do all of those things as Matthew Stafford with the
stat line that he had, it was a Gotti stat line,
And you still.
Speaker 1 (43:46):
Lost, no, because I look at that and I go,
that's a fluke, rare two point conversion occurrence. That's a
missed kick by a guy who hadn't missed a kick
all year long.
Speaker 4 (43:57):
There's just they were down by how many fifteen four
team sixteen points? They were one Jonas they were owen.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
One fifty five in franchise history, down by that amount
in the fourth quarter. That doesn't happen. Like, there's the
exception in the rule. Last night was the exception. The
rule is they're gonna lose that game. Like that's how
I look at well.
Speaker 4 (44:18):
I'll say, I don't disagree with the way you presented
that that last point as your final point. Maybe you
stumbled on it by accident. I'll give you, yeah, because
that's what we have around We actually do have a
prompter line arounder somewhere that's right in front of you.
Speaker 3 (44:35):
That's that's that's it right there, it's right in front
of you. It's not up, but it's not what we
don't need one. Yeah, we got papers. We killed four trees.
Well that is true, you know that is true.
Speaker 4 (44:46):
Yeah, start upload, start start putting our scripts in the game.
Speaker 3 (44:50):
Yet the whole forest right now?
Speaker 4 (44:56):
What you do with today, bab? What you do it today, bab.
That's two in a row. I will say this. You
don't to buck your your point. You don't be what
(45:17):
you just said and winning a game against the Rams,
but be the number one team in your division and
the top rated team one of the top rated teams
conference in the conference. You're the number one team in
the conference conference. Yeah, I don't. I don't see that
as oh well, there's an exception to the rule, and
(45:37):
then there's what it is, what it's supposed to be,
and how it's supposed to happen. Well, Seattle has done
quite a job to climb to. Uh, yeah, there's twelve
and three.
Speaker 1 (45:52):
I'm not scoffing at like it's I think it's you know,
a great story, and.
Speaker 4 (45:57):
You kind of are though you're kind of putting them
in a different book on a different pages.
Speaker 3 (46:04):
You're kind of putting them in a different book.
Speaker 1 (46:06):
I'm sorry, and I don't mean to put them in
the book they don't want to read. But I just
I come away from last night going, yeah, I congratulations.
Speaker 3 (46:16):
I just I think there's going to be concerns moving forward.
Speaker 4 (46:19):
But you have listen, You're right, there should be concern
because the offense did not give them what they needed.
But in football, we always say win two out of
the three phases of the game when the turnover battle,
and you will win the game, which is crazy because
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they lost the turnover battle horribly, lost it horribly, but
they won the three out of the three phases. They
won two phases of the game. They got contribution from
from from special teams. Their special teams boned them. The
game is over if he makes field goal. Let's keep
that in mind. He misses the field goal that allowed
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for it to go the way that it went. It
goes into overtime. They lose a game. That's football, and
for what it's worth. Instead of you sitting there putting
down the Seattle Seahawks, what you should say is this
is what football game should look like when you get
to this point in the season. Maybe you aren't going
to have the best day on offense, maybe you're not
going to have the best day on defense. Maybe those
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are the strengths of your team. Maybe that isn't what
cameen's to the table. Y'all had a game to play.
It was a divisional game. They did not The Seattle
Seahawks did not own the type breaker. The Rams got
the first one. You got a must win situation to
offset the type breaker and give yourself an opportunity for
home field advantage, and you found a way to win
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the game. And sports, I don't care if it is
the prettiest, most beautiful win that you could categorize ever
in the three of the game.
Speaker 3 (47:56):
Or if it's the ugliest win. A win is a win.
Speaker 4 (48:01):
I'm not coming out of the game like you know.
You come out of the game with injuries, that's a concern.
You come out of game and it looks like he's
got the yips, that's a concern. I didn't see that
from Donald. He made some really fine throws in the clutch.
I did not see yips. Great play. He didn't come
out saying he saw ghosts that That isn't the Sam
Darnald that was out there last Night's never gonna live
(48:22):
so far there you go, just keeping it real.
Speaker 3 (48:26):
He's not going to live that down. We're gonna live
that down. I'm not. Uh.
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So.
Speaker 1 (51:58):
One of the other big games is weekend. You mentioned
the Christian Watson situation with Green Bay. Our friends listening
in state wide in Wisconsin. Right now, it's a biggie
Saturday night. It's going to be the Packers at the
Bears in all likelihood would probably determine who wins the
NFC North.
Speaker 3 (52:16):
But both teams are banged up.
Speaker 1 (52:18):
The Packers obviously with Micah Parsons injury, Christian Watson has
banged up, Josh Jacobs is questionable, Zach tom is the same,
Roma Done Day's out for the Bears, Luther Burdens out
for the Bears. Tremaine edwins Edwards is out or is
questionable for the Bear There's just there's a lot going
(52:39):
on with the Packers and the Bears, and now they
think about it, There's a lot going around around the NFL,
and it does feel like the War of Attrition is
officially begun. Like we're at the point of the season
where who the hell is going to be healthy and you're.
Speaker 4 (52:53):
Sitting there talking about wait till they get Davonte back?
Who cares guys are injured? You got to know how
to think.
Speaker 3 (53:03):
Devonte Adams is a key member of the Yes, I do.
Speaker 4 (53:07):
But what I'm saying is, at this point in the season,
you've got to know how to win games, or you
don't know how to win games bottom line. Bottom line,
either you know how to get out of these games,
or you can't quite get out of these games.
Speaker 1 (53:22):
Like I was thinking about this as well too, because
there's so many bad teams in the NFL, like in
this case this year, is a lot of them in
this game, for example, between the Bears and the Packers.
So Christian Watson is banged up, obviously, Josh Jacob Zach
Tom Tremaine Edmonds is coming back from the IR he's
been out for some time, but that's a fossition.
Speaker 3 (53:44):
He's he's questionable.
Speaker 1 (53:46):
And I almost have it in my mind in talking
about bad teams in the NFL being like, you know what, like,
what's the point listen, Jaden Daniels sit this one? Like
it really is now to a point where in games
like this, no, if you can go, you're going, like
if you're even a fraction of a hundred of healthy,
(54:06):
like you're gonna go. And there's just gonna be guys
out there that are gonna run the risk of further
injury because of how big these games are. And we're
just you see last night and you go, those are
two really good teams. Those are teams that are going
to be playoff teams. And it almost kind of jars
you into rethinking, oh, yeah, like there's actually good teams
in the league, because there's a lot of crap and
(54:28):
you almost get I almost catch myself evaluating or talking
about teams that are bad, almost like throwaways, when the
reality is, no, there's other teams in the league that
actually could win this whole thing. And if guys are
going to be if there's the potential of them being
out there, they're gonna be out there. And if you
run further risk of injury, so be it. Like the
(54:50):
Green Bay is riddled with injuries up and down there,
but damn they're favorite to win that game tomorrow night
in Chicago. Their favorite to win that game. It just
it feels like we're at the separation point to where
last night was sort of the early preview of playoff football.
Speaker 3 (55:07):
Yeah, yeah, that's what you like.
Speaker 4 (55:09):
It did, and that's why I should be concerning that
the Rams came out on the wrong side of that game.
And as we go into these matchups with teams as
good as Chicago and Green Bay going into it, yeah,
you are going to have a playoff feel to it.
And listen, you know, it's not a winner, go home game,
(55:29):
so it is a tat bit different. But nonetheless, do
you not think that Ben Johnson and the Chicago Bears
want to cap off, you know, begin to cap off
of regular season where there was a true turnaround that
took place in Chicago, a turnaround that people have been
(55:52):
hoping for, wishing for, praying for. Like people, all they
wanted for Christmas was Chicago to be a competitive football team.
That was only if they wanted. Now look at them now,
they're a good team. They're a competitive team. So and
this Green Bay Packers team, it's much the same.
Speaker 1 (56:09):
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close game. And I'm fascinated to see what green Bay
is without Michael Parsons.
Speaker 3 (56:28):
I want to see how that impact.
Speaker 4 (56:30):
They're still going to be good, yeah, They're just not
going to be as dynamic a defense without them. And
I would say that for the Dallas Cowboys or any
other team that Michael Parsons was on that wasn't he
wasn't on there anymore, or something like an injury took
him off the field. They're not going to be as dynamic,
(56:53):
They're not going to be as scary a defense without
Michael Parsons on the field. I mean, think about it.
Would would we say the same thing about Lawrence Taylor?
Would we say the same thing about Reggie White? Would
we say that the same thing about Mi ray Lewis
moles Garrett If they're not on the field, While they
may be a good team, to sit there and actually
(57:15):
fix your mouth to say that you could actually be better,
like they fixed their mouths to say in Dallas that
they were actually better. People in the media said that
this was this team was I heard Colin say it
that this team was actually better without Michael Parsons.
Speaker 3 (57:34):
What a whiff?
Speaker 1 (57:35):
Well, I mean, because that's a miss because they're able
to stop the run better, and being able to stop
the run is really going to help out on Valentine's
Day weekend when the season's over and they've been out
of football for you know, a month and a half,
that's really gonna it's really gonna help out.
Speaker 3 (57:48):
You could stop the run better, that's for you than Sorry.
Speaker 4 (57:55):
Yeah, that's crazy, that's crazy, man, Fuz.
Speaker 3 (58:08):
That is and crazy. You know what your son just said,
what is it?
Speaker 4 (58:17):
What Ralfie, It's just I met Ralphie.
Speaker 1 (58:25):
H it is careful, it is it just it goes
It's gonna be. I'm curious to see what that looks like.
Because even like Michael Parson has got twelve and a
half sacks on the year, you know how many how
many other plays he impacted the pressure sack on pressure,
there's no there's no way to really put you can't like,
(58:47):
there's nothing you can even.
Speaker 4 (58:49):
The presence of it. Yeah, like him being out there,
you're taking the blocking scheme to his side every single time,
which means that you're creating single singles side. So Rashaun
Gary and company on the opposite side are benefactors. So
if you take into consideration the production of the other
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guys on that defense, you have to also directly attribute
that to the presence of Michael Parsons being on the field.
Speaker 1 (59:18):
And you're less likely to after bringing a tight end
or receiver to chip. Now opens up the passing game.
Speaker 4 (59:23):
Now you're going to see if Green Bay can do
it the way they were doing it without Micah where
they're now turning the defense or turning the blocking scheme
to Rashaw and Gary or taking it to the most
dangerous linebacker. However, the sinner is going to call it out.
But you're not going to see the same successes from
some of these guys on the defense that you saw
(59:45):
when Michael Parsons was there. And that's going to be
interesting to see if they can navigate as a defense
because when you have a guy as special as Michael
Parsons out there, you don't have to worry about making
the right play call. You know that the play call
is going to be a good play call no matter
what it is, because you're going to get that element
(01:00:08):
of pressure from your defensive front. So if I want
to go in a more heavy coverage, it doesn't matter.
I'm still going to get the same type of pressure.
I don't have to pull somebody out as you mentioned,
like they got to keep a tight end in to
block out of dadas and that I don't have to
bring down a safety or do blitzes that are like
kind of creative and all this because I can get
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that pressure from just the four or the three that
I'm going to send that are in the defensive front.
Now you're down one and he's your most effective pass rusher.
That's down. That is a tremendous loss. It's like trying
to run around with your big toe off like you
lost your big too. See how that works. You don't
realize how how serious a body part is until you
(01:00:53):
lose it.
Speaker 3 (01:00:56):
Feel just falling over.
Speaker 4 (01:00:58):
You know, I've dealt with the gout big two man
like you don't want the gout big toe long.
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