December 23, 2025 • 52 mins
Today on 2 Pros & A Cup Of Joe, the guys talk about DK Metcalf getting suspended for the confrontation with a fan. Plus, the guys chat with Dean Blandino, Chiefs stadium is moving, and more!!
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Speaker 2 (02:30):
Have you been in this business long enough? You know
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Speaker 1 (02:32):
Off DK metcalf So he was suspended for two games
because he had that altercation with that clown at the
Lions game. Apparently he's got history with the guy. He
reported him to security last year when he was a
member of the Seahawks, So like there was you know,
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some back and forth that was going on there. But
he got suspended for two games. What Yeah, I guess
he like the same guy was getting on him last
year the year before when he was with the Seahawks,
and so he reported the issue back then then the
guy popped up again. What happened happened and.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
M uh he pulled up.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
So he's going to try and you know, appeal this
two game suspension that he got. But the problem is
this impacts his contract. Because Jonathan Jones of CBS was
the first to point this out, but the two game suspension,
if upheld based on dk Metcalf's contract, would void not
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just the rest of his salary for this season, but
forty five million dollars in future guarantees, twenty five million
fully guaranteed in twenty twenty six and twenty million guaranteed
for injury in twenty twenty seven.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Yeah not great, no, but this will also be under appeal.
Speaker 5 (03:54):
And this is also something that even though they have
the ability for that to be the case, that the
Steelers are gonna actually implement it, especially if there's more
to this story. And this is actually to me becoming
more of a league matter where you've got a player's
been on two different teams and yet it's the same
fan at the same place. I mean, I think there's
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two sides of this conversation. As players, former players, coaches.
You're paid a lot of money, man, and part of
that comes with understanding that you're in the arena and
you're gonna have all sorts of things hurled that you're
you know, thrown at you said to you, and you
get paid a lot of money to be able to
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withstand that. It comes with the territory. And the greatest
thing you can do as a player to shut them
up is go win the damn game. And first off,
that's what Pittsburgh did, by the way, But like let
all that anger, let all that aggression, let everything out
that it's like boiling up inside. Let it display itself
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on the field, because that's gonna be the fruitful way.
It's gonna help your bank account, your family and everything else.
Like you going up to a fan and punching them
or getting into an alter case, like they win that
clip goes viral that a hold's the one that ends.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Up being look look at me, look at me, dukud.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Nook of.
Speaker 5 (05:16):
That that's the only way they win. And as terrible
as that as it sounds, like, letting them feel like
they exist is like the only way they win. And
so that's like more of my advice for a player
or a coach. But this also really comes down to, like,
where are the Lions on this? I mean, this is
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report of the NFL and the Lions have done nothing?
And where's the NFL on this? Two separate teams for
a player and you got the same guy who I mean,
I've seen the allegations. I'm not even gonna get into
that because who knows what's true what's not. We just
know there's a history there between these two.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
But it's like, what do you what do you like?
Why are you not protecting your players?
Speaker 4 (05:57):
More?
Speaker 6 (05:57):
Man, I'm gonna give you a little perspective from a
defender's standpoint, maybe from a player's standpoint, you know, because
I think you you stayed at the obvious in terms
of the conduct aspect of it. But as a player,
when you see things like this and you hear things
like this, I'm going to that's part of my my
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scouting report, that's part of my book on on the
players that we're going up against. And as a linebacker,
I don't get very much interaction with receivers.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
But what I would.
Speaker 6 (06:32):
Tell you is, and I hate maybe I don't hate
to admit it, is this part of the game.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (06:39):
I would target him. He would be a target for
me on the field.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
I would. I would.
Speaker 6 (06:46):
I would try to hit him late or hit him
during the play. I would seek him out and try
to wipe him out, just because I know how he's
he's he is a mo cheese mo dude. He does
not and and I hope he hears this because if
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he can correct this, I can guarantee you he'll probably
be a better football player and moving forward. He's so
he is so committed to being on.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
His dad just went to the Hall of Fame too.
By the way, I believe.
Speaker 6 (07:21):
He's so committed to being like this, this tough dude,
that everything that comes along with it, he.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Goes right with it. He goes right with it.
Speaker 6 (07:33):
Instead of exercising like understanding that being a tough guy
doesn't mean you have to defend being tough all the time,
so I would wipe him out, wipe him out like
he didn't see me coming. I'm blindsiding, and then I'm
a stand over him like as I run, I get,
I'll get a little bit away from him where.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
I'm not held accountable for the hit.
Speaker 6 (07:57):
It's always the second guy. And I look at him
and I would say some wild up to him. I
will say some wild stuff to him, like super wild.
I told you all the story. I hit Michael who
was it not Michael Pittman? Who was the other one man?
I forget his name, Stecker, Aaron Stecker. And it was
probably the wildest thing I've ever said. I said some
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wild things the guys. But I told her I knocked
his helmet off and I looked at his halmlet. I
hit him so hard, I swear on everything. I thought
his head might have still been in the helmet. I
go back and I look at him, his eyes as
big as hell, and I look at I said, get
up off the ground, don't nobody give an f about
your life. In a couple of words after that to
explain who he was, and he looked at me. You
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have moments, right, you have moments where you got to decide,
like like, get up, get your helmet, go back to
the huddle. I'll see him during the game. Come see
me during the game. But you have some guys like
a dk metcalf they can't handle it. And in that moment,
me telling me I don't give an f about his life.
Get your pa ass up off the ground, you pea.
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And when yeah right, I just say it. End of
the year, they're not gonna be out there. Yeah right,
I won't be back on air. We'll have another new
addition to the fox. Hey look here, though, some guys
can't handle it. And it's like all right, we say,
oh well, he needs to be better, he needs to
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show more restraint. And this is a part of it. Like, bro,
this game. We just got done talking about rivalries and
how long they've gone. This game has gone on for many, many,
many many years. Cute, you've played this game a long time.
You've heard some of the wildest stuff be said on
the football field to one another, like pile ups. You
hear some of the wildest things said to one another
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on the field. So you can't convince me that this fan,
this fan got to you. So like, I don't care
if you say racial slur and all I don't care.
I do not care. You know who has to care
what you say? Q? The people there had like if
there was a if I were if I looked at
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it and saw it, there were the people that were
around it.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
There was a police officer standing there.
Speaker 6 (10:14):
Right, there was a there was a field attended standing there,
and there was like a couple photographers standing there. If
the dude is hollering out racial slurs and obscenities to
a player, they have to be removed from the stadium. Yeah,
it wasn't even They did not even They did not
even remove this man from the stadium.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
They allowed him to stay.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Because he was calling him his first name and he
had a jersey of DK. I think his real name
is Decaylin and he was calling him de Kaalen over
and over again, just being annoying, and that's what brought
him over. That's why nobody reacted to it. There's video
of it and you can hear that's why nobody reacted.
Speaker 5 (10:52):
There was no real no and DK walked over to
him right like once he walked over there. Yeah, and
makes it look like there's some other relationship or there's
something there, and you know, that's where there could have
been some confusion, but it doesn't it's beside the point
if they already filed a complaint. As I mean, I
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don't think people understand how good the security is now,
even the video surveillance, I mean, the way they can
zoom in on fans know exactly who's sitting in the seats.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
I mean, especially since everything's gone digital.
Speaker 5 (11:24):
I mean, even when you're selling and even when you're
transferring these tickets oftentimes, like for the most part, they know,
like they know who the tickets are going to, They
trace all that stuff. They can get you on video.
Pretty much anything you do in a stadium, they'll they'll
catch you.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
And it's just.
Speaker 5 (11:39):
Surprising to me that there wasn't any more of a
concern either from the Pittsburgh stot of things, and there's
certain security department from obviously Detroit's, but from the NFL.
I mean, these are the sorts of things that like
I would say, this falls into the line of as
much as DK shouldn't have done what he's done, and
that's one part of the conversation. The NFL is negligent
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in a lot of ways. I mean, you have players
who are worth millions upon millions of dollars, and I
don't know that there's enough security around some of these
folks anymore. So the crazy stuff that's going on in
our country, they need to up their level of security
to protect these players, sometimes from themselves.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
And maybe that's the onus is on.
Speaker 5 (12:21):
The team, But in this case, like I just I
feel like this is a bit of a problem for
the NFL not doing more when they had prior information,
Like you don't need to be reactive, you can be
proactive in this case, this dude was already an issue
in the past. How is this still a thing? Like
why was there not security there? Why was the fan
not warned? Or why was this.
Speaker 6 (12:45):
DK metcalf I'm going with DK metcalf on this bulls
eye target.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
You hit, locked loaded, you mad, DK Metcalf, Right, So.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
You mentioned as a defender you would do whatever it
is to rattle this cage, right, Like that's it's basically.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Getting I'm gonna try to get him out of the game.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
And it's basically what Josh Norman did to Odell Beckham
back in the day. Like he knew he could get
under his skin because Odell Beckham had melted down, like
even at there was reports that he had meltdowns in
practice to where teammates were teasing him like harmlessly and
he couldn't take it. And Josh Norman did his homework
and got him. I think he got suspended for a game,
got him kicked out of another game. I just yeah, man,
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I I don't.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Think it's cute either.
Speaker 6 (13:29):
By the way, it's not cute, like people like these
guys become more and more like like pushed into the
celebrity light. It's not cute. It's not cute. Being the
way that DK metcalf is that ain't cute. And and
for what is where do that with? Like I've never
seen him do that with with a big dog. Dude
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with a big dog, grab somebody that that it's a
it's a it's legit right here, Like I'll be your
huckle beery.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
All right, do it?
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Like this guy you're grabbing, Like what is he gonna do?
All right?
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Excuse me?
Speaker 2 (14:05):
What is it? Like?
Speaker 6 (14:05):
DK, You're you're Diesel Like you're six foot four, diesel
yoked up dude, Like like, bro, you grab and nobody
if you watch the video, nobody not the people who
are watching on the field, not the people who are
sitting in the stands. Whatever the exchange was, it was
not people have a way of of You can't fake
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a reaction. You can't if that if he said something
that was abrasive or da da da this and that,
you would saw the lady sit especially.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Like you know up top lady.
Speaker 5 (14:38):
Start to get on your nerves when people say da
da da.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
Do you not me like in the middle of an argument,
d d No.
Speaker 5 (14:45):
But in the middle of the argument if somebody was
saying said, hey, man, you'll come over here you like,
and you said they said that at some point, whoop,
I wouldn't just I'd be thrown off. I'd be like
what I feel like you skipped over something there and
you did. You actually want to say.
Speaker 6 (15:01):
You did skip over something because there was a lot more,
but you wanted to get to the punchline of what
you were getting to.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
The punchline was more important than what was it between you.
Speaker 5 (15:11):
Now you bring back whatever you were going to say
in the da da portion. I got time for you,
You got my attention. Now explain to find the day
because the data.
Speaker 6 (15:21):
Could really be a big that could be a big
moment in the conversation. It could have been a misunderstanding
if you gave the data die.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Do you do you get the sense that.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
I get the sense levard isn't like the nose ring.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Well, that's that's what I like, being real, all right?
So what do you what do you think is DK metcalfe.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
I don't have a dislike for I don't have it.
He's definitely touch.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
What does that mean?
Speaker 2 (15:46):
What does that even mean? Got something going on with you? Man?
Speaker 6 (15:49):
You got you got some type of an issue. Yeah,
touched means like you got some type of like like
Larry Johnson, the second one, not the dad, but he
was a coach at our school and Larry Johnson would
get the ball in practice and he was running over
our starting players, running them, like trucking them, and and
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and periods where it.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Was thud, it's a problem, thud problem. He's touched.
Speaker 6 (16:20):
And we used to ask is dad, like bro LJ,
what do you do to this kid at home?
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Man?
Speaker 6 (16:27):
Like why is he so mad? Like what's the problem? Like, Man,
we look at each other like, dude is touched. Man,
he's touched. Like something ain't right with him. That's not
that's touched. Okay, it's a bruh.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
I get that.
Speaker 6 (16:42):
You know, the stuff that I talk about sometimes it's
not something you relate to, But.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
That's what it is.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
That's what I want.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
That's what touched is. I can't I just that's touched.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
That's you're historically like a verbal example. You're giving me
like an example.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
I just gave you a verbal example. That was a
verbal that was that was.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
An example Urban Dictionary.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
So who would be what's an example of somebody we
work with who's touched?
Speaker 2 (17:09):
What he's doing right now? He's touched.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
See that's what I'm saying, that he's touched. That feels,
you know, insensitive.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
And there's there's there's definitely racial undertone.
Speaker 5 (17:18):
Okay, so this is this is based on the Urban Dictionary.
All right, based on the Urban Dictionary. Urban Dictionary.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Hold on, hold on, let's start what it says.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
Getting felled up.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
That's that's that's dang.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Let me tell let's be clear. Let's let's be clear here.
Speaker 6 (17:38):
The Urban Dictionary on that particular one, that is that's
white slang touched.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
That's what I've got a Black.
Speaker 6 (17:48):
People don't use touch to say, oh I touched her
up like I felled her up, Like that's not that's
not what we used. That's not that's not in our lingo.
I've touched like she's touched, Like what it's not? How
do you even use it in the proper terminology?
Speaker 3 (18:03):
It's a white person think.
Speaker 5 (18:05):
I don't think the Urban Dictionary is invented from definitions
from Waite.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
So you think only urban is based upon black people.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
Now I'm saying urban dictionary. What do you think the
Urban Dictionary is invented for?
Speaker 2 (18:20):
It's slang terminologies? Okay, you think you think so white
people don't have slang.
Speaker 6 (18:28):
I know some white people that got way more slang
than than any other group of people that that I've
been around.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Straight slang. Go to the value. I don't know what
you're talking about. Go to the value. Go to Pittsburgh,
go talk to a yinser. Okay, I want to hear.
Slang goes everything everything I'm trying.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
I want to help out. Your case is not helping.
Speaker 6 (18:51):
I don't need help. I don't need you said, what
are you you're trying to? You don't need to help me.
I know what it means. I'm forty seven years old.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Playble so hold on, you're really taking offense to this. Yeah,
you know how you gonna be, how you gonna be.
Speaker 6 (19:07):
And you know what if I was in front of you,
I grab you by your hair and I try to
punch you in your face?
Speaker 2 (19:11):
How about that?
Speaker 3 (19:13):
I feel like you're over the top.
Speaker 6 (19:17):
Yadya didn't catch And the way you're responding to me,
this is the same way why DK Metcalf, if he
had control, it should have been funny to him, brok
Metcalf issue.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
There's something going on here.
Speaker 6 (19:30):
This is like I know that from you see what
you're doing is that's a whether you're.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Whether you're doing it purposely or not.
Speaker 6 (19:38):
You're instigating and you're playing like oh my gosh, like
oh you're sound so aggressive, Like.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
I'm fine, I've got a problem with him.
Speaker 6 (19:47):
I was actually making a joke when I said I
grabbed you by your here and punch you in your face.
You didn't catch my joke, But that was actually a
play on what DK Metcalf did. But but the point
is is that y'all be I don't know he grabbed
by his hair and cute.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Also, can we address that if you get that close
and you miss you you're.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
A funny dude. Bro, I'm telling you, like, this is
what I do. Know. While I would have had control
if you were.
Speaker 6 (20:10):
I do have a little brother too, by the way,
and he kind of has like some of the traits
that you have, like you you had to be the
baby or something to that effect.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
You said, only boy. All I'm gonna say is my
little brother.
Speaker 6 (20:21):
No matter what happened, no matter amount of control lized show,
no matter the amount of understanding, I always got in trouble.
I always got in trouble. He always got me in trouble.
And it was what you just did just then. What
you did just then is why. So maybe my touched
issue here right now is that I'm getting little brother
syndrome right now, and and I don't like it.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
I don't like it one bit.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
I just I just wanted to make this point.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
You a little you a little b word too. I
want to use it in contract you call.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
I don't care if you can come a bitch. I don't.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
No, I didn't want to do it.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
But the white ass bitch.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
Nah.
Speaker 6 (20:57):
See, I didn't want to do all right, So people
might take the wrong way to think that, so want
to get I don't want to get suspended for.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
You can I argue that he should have been suspended
two games for the fact that he missed a right
hand in close range, like that that's a bad look,
Like if you're that.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
Should be suspended. Should he be suspended two games from missing?
I mean, what's what's the punishment because he grabbed his
hair then he.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Didn't and that's not his hair, it's a wig.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Technically technically he grabbed air and missed. It's like, what's
really the punishment there?
Speaker 6 (21:33):
He's touched, man, he's touched And then slang terms, I mean,
he didn't the dictionary, I.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
Mean, technically technically didn't touch anyone.
Speaker 6 (21:43):
Yeah, kind but but his hair, like, you can't use
that if if that were like say you're in the
court of law and then somebody's like, oh, well he
accosted me, dad, whatever, if you touched there, if that's
a wig, whatever, that still counts right back count. You
can't say by technicality, I had a wig on, so
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it didn't really he didn't really touch me.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
And you know, and you know these days, you can
never be sure. You know, there's you know, oh boy,
I'm just saying there's people I'm just saying you just, oh, wow, is.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
What it is?
Speaker 1 (22:18):
What it is? Okay, my fingers are broken. I don't
know what she's touched.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Man oh Lorena.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
I mean, it's no.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Other way to explain that.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
That's totally unnecessary.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
God, it's all. It's all. DK. Let's let me wrap
this up and put a bow on it.
Speaker 6 (22:45):
DK, Metcalf, you need to have more control over your
emotions and stay focused in on the game.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
You are a major piece to the Steelers.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
They kind of need him, right if.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
You are indeed going. I missed two games.
Speaker 6 (23:01):
I'm not sure how that impacts you guys moving into
the postseason, but as tight a race as it is,
I'm sure it could like well, grow up, grow up.
Speaker 5 (23:11):
If Lamar Jackson's not back out there, obviously you know
it helps their case, but there'd be a chance that
I feel like, given the importance at this point of
the season, I could see him winning an appeal.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
If there's history there.
Speaker 5 (23:28):
It doesn't con I'm not trying to condone what he did,
but also like, let's not put him in that position
the first place.
Speaker 6 (23:33):
Somebody else go and get him, you know what I mean, Like,
if it's not that person. It's going to be somebody
else that get him. He's going to do this in
a moment in time where it's going to cost him
and it's going to cost others possible cut possibly. I mean,
he did it during the game. He did it during
the game, you know what I mean. And again, there
were so many people standing there. There was a police
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officer standing there watching him walk up to the person.
There was an attendance there, which by the way, was
a black man that was standing there watching him walk
up to the person. The people sitting next to the
guy that was heckling him, they had no type of
reaction to it other than here comes Dk Metcalf walking
up to the guy. The guys leaning over the deal
(24:17):
and they had their exchange. The bottom line is is
don't walk over there. Don't walk over there to begin with,
don't even walk over there to begin with, Like, handle yourself.
This isn't about everybody else. It isn't always about everybody
else all the time. This isn't a racial thing. This
isn't a like it doesn't matter. There's on social media,
(24:40):
there's these dudes that and they're brothers and they be
on they be for Tennessee. They be heckling the hell
out of people before the game. I mean it's bad too,
the way they talk to them.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
It's bad.
Speaker 6 (24:52):
While the d linemen or whoever they are warming up
in the end zone, it's like nothing. You should hear nothing,
It should not impact you that way. He needs to
tighten up now. Granted, whatever it needs to be done
security wise, do that. Whatever your protocols you want to
do better, fine, But at the core root of this,
(25:14):
right here today, what the core root of that situation was.
That's a lack of self control and a lack of accountability.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
It's a selfish issue.
Speaker 6 (25:24):
If you ask me, and if that's my teammate, I'm
ana call him on it, I'm ana pull him on it,
and I'm gonna tell him you're not only costing yourself
in these situations where you do this, you're costing us
as well. And that's that's not okay.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
It's not ok that.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
You sound like a good team leader right there.
Speaker 6 (25:42):
Well, I mean I would have pulled him up. I
would have pulled him up, and I wouldn't have tried
to embarrass him. It would have been me and him,
Like I wouldn't have had him in front of nobody.
It would have been me and him, and I would
have pulled him up on it because that makes you
a better person.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Would you have told him to take out the nose ring?
Speaker 2 (25:58):
No, No, A lot going on there with that.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
I really thought that was a nose ring conversation.
Speaker 6 (26:03):
I thought, that's why I have a boyfriend and my
family that has a nose He has the nose ring
deal going on. So one of my daughter's dates his
her boyfriend has nose rings. So I don't I don't
have an issue with the.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
What are you doing up there?
Speaker 2 (26:21):
I pulled him, I pulled him up on the nose rings.
Speaker 6 (26:24):
I pulled him up you know, the first time I
met him, up pulled him like, what's these nose rings about?
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Can I tell you? Did I tell you?
Speaker 2 (26:30):
I pulled him up on him?
Speaker 3 (26:31):
The boss old school.
Speaker 5 (26:32):
He's not gonna let that dude just walk in and
his daughter and not explain himself.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Can I tell you a Can I tell you a
story real quick about when I had my Lebrett piercing
and I had a cartilage piercing in my ears.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Now that you would have not that would not date. Look.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
I also I also had my hair in knots because
we had just played a concert, so I literally had
braids in my hair and we had shaved the side
of my head. In the back of my head, there
was an obnoxious look. I got in a car accident
after our first concert. I come home and instead of
(27:09):
asking like, how are you sorry about the car, first
thing my dad says is wow, I mean look at you.
Look at you like that had anything to do with
me getting t boned in an intersection.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
It's all.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
His old comment to me was, I mean, look at
the way you look. You look like a freak. Like
it's uh yeah, it's not. It's a bad look all
the way through.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Here's what took you.
Speaker 6 (27:36):
I took the kid out into the deep end of
the pool and I pulled him up on it. Nobody
could hear us talking. I wasn't going to embarrass him.
We went to the deep end of the pool and
we were on floaties and we talked for a good hour.
It's just like your version of taking about a boat
the ocean. That's correct, because if he had answered wrong,
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if he had answered wrong, you know, he was going
to get some water and lungs.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Man.
Speaker 6 (28:00):
Oh, I mean it's gonna get some water. Look, you
know I wasn't going to kill him, but I'm scared.
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Speaker 2 (31:52):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
He's the one and only Dean Blandino, Fox Sports, NFL
College Football rules Analysts. If you're feeling frisky, you can
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you here.
Speaker 6 (32:14):
Now, it's not good enough, Jonas, good enough. It just
wasn't good enough. I just I feel like Dean should
have got better than that. It's too casuals.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
I don't want to insult uh, you know, his heritage
by doing some candy ass Italian impression. I can do it, though,
I can dust it off and go again.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
You don't want to now, right right.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Right right?
Speaker 1 (32:42):
I mean better late than ever though?
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Correct.
Speaker 6 (32:48):
Well, yeah, now you see what I do. I deal
with on a daily basis, you know, Yeah, yeah, thank you.
I'm glad somebody called it out.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (33:00):
I would also say it sounds like NFL officiating, like
they spend the doing it one way. Then we get
to the playoffs, they like, well, we want to make
this small, simple change, subtle change.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
We're just gonna do it now, you know. Now we're
gonna implement that.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
Like remember the.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
Hip drop tackle. Yeah, Wemember hip drop tackle.
Speaker 5 (33:18):
There's been a few instances where I'm been like, oh,
that's a hip drop, and that just all of a
sudden's not getting called anymore.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
Huh No, that hasn't getten caught. I think it's gone
called twice all year and ever since they made the
hip drop tackle a thing. I watch games and I'm like,
I see like seventy three of them. I'm like, oh,
that's hip drop. That's a hip drop. Yeah. I don't know,
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
Are are they like regretting that rule?
Speaker 5 (33:38):
Or putting it in place because then they've realized now
that it was it was just a reaction to guys
getting injured when it's a way that guys tackle every
single weekend.
Speaker 4 (33:46):
Yeah, well I think the health and safety people probably
don't regret it. But and there's been fines, and there's
been you know, post game, it's been a dress post game.
But still, like I just we've talked about it, don't
know how there's certain situations where it's just it's impossible
to avoid that.
Speaker 6 (34:06):
Dean, I'm of the mindset when I watch these games
obviously people say every single play can be a penalty
and multiple penalties.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
When you look at.
Speaker 6 (34:18):
It from the standpoint of being an expert and analyzing
it and stuff like that, what like what's your thought process,
what's your approach to how you break it down?
Speaker 2 (34:30):
Because it seems like it's simple to say.
Speaker 6 (34:32):
Okay, well cite this, this penalty, cite this fiul, cite that,
and then discuss it. But I mean from a reality standpoint,
where does that line of a perception to being a
professional on how you do it?
Speaker 2 (34:49):
Where is that line for you? Like, what are you
looking for?
Speaker 6 (34:52):
Can you like take our listeners through you're looking for
versus what maybe a layman is looking at when they're
watching the games.
Speaker 4 (35:00):
Well, there's there's something that you know, I learned early
on and people taught me and I hope always talking
to with officials about you've got to call the foults
that we have to call, not the ones that we
could and the ones like what what we mean by
that is the ones that you could. It's like, okay,
I see it by by rule if you strict interpretation
(35:21):
of the rule, Okay, we can defend that, but does
that is that really the intent of the rule is
that what we want? Is that going to have an impact?
Are we really affecting the game positively? Where the calls
that have to be made, whether that's player safety, whether
that's the you know, the significant obvious one that is
going to have an impact on the athem of the game,
those are the ones you have to get. There's you know,
(35:45):
there's a lot that goes on. There's twenty two players.
You know, there's stuff that happens before the snap, but
during the play, after the play, officials have to make
a lot of decisions. But again, it's got it's got
to have an impact it's got to jump out. Those
should really call themselves. And then you certainly don't want
officials being overly technical. Nobody's going to want to watch
(36:05):
a game where there's a flag every other play, And
so that's kind of where you kind of where you
want to draw that line and how you want to
direct the game officials to officiate the game.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
Dean Blandino joining us here on Fox Sports Radio. So,
I wanted to go back to last Thursday, the two
point conversion in Seattle. It was crazy, and you know,
Mike Florio did an article talk and he actually gave
you a shout out. You know that there was the
delay seemed to be what the issue was for Sean McVay,
(36:38):
the rams. So how does that get sped up? Like,
how do we get to the point because it also
seemed like there was a significant delay in the Lions
Steelers play conclusion and at what point, like, how does
that get cleaned up to where we're not having to
wait around for so long and guys are lined up
for a kickoff only to find out no, it actually
(36:59):
was a recovery in the end zone for a two points.
Speaker 4 (37:02):
Well there's been I mean, that play was so crazy
and such a unique play. Now, ultimately the way they
applied the rule and replay was correct, but it, like
you said, it took cover. There's no reason. There's no
way other than than they didn't look at it right away,
and then finally something clicked to be like, wait a minute,
if that passes backward, who recovered it? Okay, Seattle recovered it?
(37:27):
Where did they recover it in the end zone? By rule,
that recovery would count and that would be a two
point try. So there's no reason for that to take
that long. You're immediately one of the things you go
through after play in replace, you look at all the
reviewable aspects of the play. You identify them. What, okay,
forward backward passes reviewable? Let's look at it. Is it forward?
If it is well, hits the ground, look good? If
(37:49):
it's not, it's backward. Okay, who recovered it? That should
have happened immediately. There's no reason that both teams should
be lining up for the kickoff and now somebody says
something finally and we get that process started, and then
and then the end of the line Steelers game right again,
there's a flag down. Yes, replay is going to look
(38:10):
at that Okay, was was GoF down? Was a mon
Rod down before he flips the ball to Goth? You
know what? What what's the clock? But again, that shouldn't
take very long. There should be an announcement right away.
You know, the previous plays under further review. The ruin
have a field, the touchdown, we have a flag down
for offensive pestsmens, whatever it is. That's where it gets confusing.
(38:31):
That's where people are sitting there wondering what the heck
is going on. I think right now there's a lot
of people in those officials' ears. There's a replay booth.
There's like seven people in New York, and it feels
like right now, in some of those situations, those crazy situations,
it's like people are scrambling and there's nobody there to
kind of slow things down and say, wait a minute,
(38:51):
here's what we're going to do. And I think that's
what happened in both of those situations.
Speaker 5 (38:55):
Okay, So on that point one of the things that's
become a little bit confusing. And then behind the scenes,
like you guys do such a good job with your videos,
and I think you brought this up either last week
or two weeks ago, but then even this past week
in the Philly watch that game, there's the replay assistant
and then you see dan Quinn I believed challenged it
and send it. Yeah, which talk to us and help
(39:18):
educate us on the review process, like the replay assistant.
And then where does it go if they're challenges, does
that go to New York and there's someone else in
New York?
Speaker 4 (39:25):
Yeah? So so replay assist is the replay official in
the stadium in the replay booth, and and the way
they look at that is that's an extension of the
on field officials. Whereas if there's a tight catch no
catch at the sideline and the officials get together and
they will catch, and the replay official at the stadium
(39:46):
sees that it's clearly the second what's clearly out of bounds,
they're going to they're going to communicate right away, you know,
hey guys, we got an incomplete pass. And then the
referee will get on the on the mic and just
say that we're on the field, is an incomplete pass
that's replay assisted. That should happen very quickly when it's
very obvious if a coach and that's still challengeable, you know,
(40:08):
like Dan Quinn, did we've seen that happen? You know
a couple of weeks wo, Andy Reid did challenged one it.
Once it goes to review, then that decision is made.
Back in New York, there's a group of supervisors. There's
there's two or three people that can make decisions there,
and one of those people are going to be on
(40:28):
the headsets at that time because the game is stopped
talking to the referee, looking at the video and making
that decision. So that's kind of a difference between those
two those two processes.
Speaker 6 (40:40):
Dan, we saw what happened with DK Metcalf in the game.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
Has ever been a flag of this? Uh what what
is it?
Speaker 6 (40:50):
Disorderly or or what what what's it called?
Speaker 1 (40:54):
Like?
Speaker 2 (40:54):
Uh yeah, unsportsmanlike conduct? Yeah, there we go, Like has
there ever been one thrown for interaction between a player
and a fan? Has that ever happened? Is that even
in the rule book? Two happen?
Speaker 4 (41:08):
Yeah, that's it. It's so not that I can remember now,
but fans are not subject to the playing rules, and
so that that's not remember. I don't know, way back
like thirty years ago, used to have a crowd noise rule.
What if the crowd got too loud, the quarterback, right,
the visiting team quarterback would step back and look at
the referee and be like, it's too loud, and the
(41:29):
referee would give warnings and then would flag. And that
became a joke because when you tell the crowd, hey,
be quiet, what are they going to do loud? They're
going to be louder. So so fans are not subject
to the playing rules, you know. That's that's a that's
a security issue. That's ay so so, not that the
officials would have seen that anyway, but but interaction with
(41:51):
the fans is something separate from the officials jurisdiction. Obviously
the league can take and they did with the two
games suspect, but that's not something that the officials can
get involved in.
Speaker 6 (42:04):
Like I had a ball boy try to start a
fight with me at a game this year and the
official and the official got involved, like not the official
in the game, but the official that was on, like
the league guy, like the head guy, like like reprimanded them.
Why And I don't know, I don't know if that
could have left, But in my mind, I don't don't
(42:27):
A ball boy, well, I mean as a college kid.
A kid, I mean, he's a college guy.
Speaker 4 (42:31):
I mean, what happened.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
He started.
Speaker 6 (42:36):
I did not get into a fight. He tried to
start one. Like so what did he say?
Speaker 2 (42:43):
It doesn't matter. I don't want to go into.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
The details of.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
Question.
Speaker 6 (42:50):
No, No, what he was doing, well, well, here's what
he was doing. A big play took place at a
very very big moment in the game. And he started
running down the sideline, taunting our sideline, taunting the guys
on the side.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
What was he saying.
Speaker 6 (43:10):
Oh, it was a lot of explicitives that they were
coming out. Well, y'all could take that, Like, no, it
was more like it was more like, yeah, yeah, if
y'all y'all af that, Yeah, here we go. And I
found myself. I found myself good one. I found myself
further closer to the field at that point in the
(43:34):
direction he was running, and he just kind of he
bumped into me.
Speaker 2 (43:39):
He bumped, he ran into me, and it created.
Speaker 3 (43:44):
Into you.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
I mean I wasn't close until I saw him.
Speaker 6 (43:50):
So you got in his way? Yeah, I did. Somebody
needed to, you know, So I did it anyway. He
he he kept going though, like he didn't want to
stop like he wanted boy for Indiana.
Speaker 2 (44:08):
No, it wasn't a ball boy for Indiana. Actually it
was u C. L A was akh It didn't. It
didn't end well for us.
Speaker 4 (44:20):
I mean that that was the that was the the bottom, right,
that was the rock bottom.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
So that was bottom. It wasn't actually was Northwestern it was.
It was the next week. Yeah, next week was rock bottom.
I mean for me, for me, it was but it nonetheless,
he was in the wrong. He was in the wrong.
Speaker 5 (44:45):
Dan, you have to understand Levar's got in the fight
with a gather of oxygen tank and apparallel.
Speaker 3 (44:50):
Now for u C.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
I picked my fights wisely, unlike Jake Paul. That is true.
Just pick my fight wisely. It is like DK metcalf
with my.
Speaker 1 (45:04):
Dean. Now before I let you go, uh quickly, any
any Christmas traditions? What's what's the plan?
Speaker 4 (45:11):
Jas? I appreciate you trying to be a professional, because
there's no coming back from that conversation that there's no
there's like, so what do you think of the past
appearance in the in the packers, Like it's not happening.
It's all I'm thinking about, is ball Boy.
Speaker 6 (45:25):
Or the two point conversion. You know how you get
that two point conversion? You know how that happened.
Speaker 3 (45:30):
Hey, Dean, we're doing the Seven Fishes tomorrow. Mine laws
are coming in town. Uh do you do you do
you support that?
Speaker 4 (45:37):
Of course I support that? Right, make sure the music plays?
Speaker 2 (45:40):
I mean, yeah, what's seven fish?
Speaker 4 (45:43):
Christmas Eve is as big as you know with the
Italians as Christmas Day. You know, it's the whole big thing.
It's it's there's a there's there's a lot we could
get into, you know. I wish LeVar wouldn't have hijacked
the conversation with I'm sorry, maybe maybe next week, next week.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
Feast of the Seven Fishes, dear Merry Christmas.
Speaker 4 (46:03):
Thank you brother, appreciate your.
Speaker 2 (46:07):
Is it like seven different species of fish? What?
Speaker 3 (46:10):
Seven different types of fish?
Speaker 5 (46:12):
Yeah, there's some like more traditional servings, but like you know,
most of the kids and stuff would eat them, so
it'll be seven fish more kind of geared towards what
we're eating.
Speaker 1 (46:20):
Oh, that sounds so fun.
Speaker 3 (46:23):
When you said the.
Speaker 5 (46:24):
Jap, Paul of What said, yeah.
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I'm sorry, Damn, I'm bad.
Speaker 1 (48:26):
Probably not wrong, man, my bad, right, not wrong. But Brady,
that's a place you called home. Arrowhead Stadium has been there.
Speaker 5 (48:40):
Long ast time, longest time. Shaking back, I feel I
feel bad man. I mean, I obviously enjoyed I spent
a year there. I don't know what I call it home,
but I enjoyed it. Like for the fans, the tail getting.
One of the coolest things about play out there is
just how good the barbecue is. And like when you
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roll up to those games, man, people would be tailgating
barbecue and their ass off, So it's it's a cool setup.
I'm sure this will be great for the fans at
some point, but it obviously doesn't help out the state
of Missouri, you know, moving across state lines. Clearly there's
some financial incentives that are helping out, you know, the
ownership group. So I haven't really looked into this a
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ton to kind of understand it, but it seems pretty
evident most of these NFL franchises are looking at trying
to find a way of building some sort of monstrosity
and incredible stadium and development for their team, for their franchise,
for the for the fans, but really really to make money,
and they'll find whatever means to do so that are
going to be the cheapest and most advantageous for them.
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And I would assume that's what this all has to do.
It's no different than Chicago talking about Northwest Indiana made
a potential site for their next stadium. I mean, it's
it's all. It's all about money, man. At the end
of the day.
Speaker 6 (50:01):
Well again, listen, football used to be something way different
than what it's turning into. I always felt like playing
in the elements was a part of the game.
Speaker 1 (50:13):
Look at the Bill's new stadium is going to be outdoors.
Speaker 5 (50:16):
They're not going dumb, no, yeah, but it's constructed in
which the wind's not going to be as big of
a factor.
Speaker 2 (50:22):
You know, Go ahead, y'all, go ahead.
Speaker 6 (50:25):
I was just going to say, you know, playing in
elements makes makes men out of people, and and now
that we have women playing football, I would say it
makes women out of of girls. I guess I don't
I don't know, but I just I think, you know,
anytime we go into these type of realms historically, Casey
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and you know, you mentioned Buffalo, you know, Pittsburgh, places
you know where it gets cold New York, I think
it should be outdoors, man, I think it should be outdoors.
I think they should all be outdoors, you know. And
so that's that's kind of my point. Y'all can go
ahead and take it from there.
Speaker 3 (51:03):
You see, you're still trying to figure out the first
end of that.
Speaker 2 (51:05):
But okay, oh, I mean, y'all talk over me.
Speaker 6 (51:08):
I was trying to make the point, but y'all jump
in so quick I couldn't get to my point, and
that we're about to run out of time.
Speaker 2 (51:13):
So I just figured out.
Speaker 3 (51:14):
No, it wasn't that like the first thing you said
when you were talking.
Speaker 2 (51:17):
I mean, what's football? What was I saying? Please tell me?
Speaker 5 (51:20):
Yeah, you hate the fact that, like, you know, football
get not outdoors. It all should be outdoors.
Speaker 2 (51:24):
Yeah, football is getting soft man.
Speaker 6 (51:27):
People don't want to play against each other anymore because
they don't want to lose. People don't want to play outdoors.
Why why you don't want to play outdoors? You don't
want to deal with some rain, a little snow, some slush?
Why too cold?
Speaker 2 (51:39):
Come on?
Speaker 6 (51:41):
I could never imagine Beaver Stadium being indoors. Just would
never never work. But just one man's opinion.
Speaker 2 (51:47):
That's all. That's all.
Speaker 6 (51:49):
Got good, guys, got got don't don't be quiet now,
y'all want to do the quiet deal? Like we're going
to the break anyway, So hour three coming at you
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All right, So with that being said, you ain't lying
and they come for all of us.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Have you been in this business long enough? You know
it comes.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Off DK metcalf So he was suspended for two games
because he had that altercation with that clown at the
Lions game. Apparently he's got history with the guy. He
reported him to security last year when he was a
member of the Seahawks, So like there was you know,
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some back and forth that was going on there. But
he got suspended for two games. What Yeah, I guess
he like the same guy was getting on him last
year the year before when he was with the Seahawks,
and so he reported the issue back then then the
guy popped up again. What happened happened and.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
M uh he pulled up.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
So he's going to try and you know, appeal this
two game suspension that he got. But the problem is
this impacts his contract. Because Jonathan Jones of CBS was
the first to point this out, but the two game suspension,
if upheld based on dk Metcalf's contract, would void not
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just the rest of his salary for this season, but
forty five million dollars in future guarantees, twenty five million
fully guaranteed in twenty twenty six and twenty million guaranteed
for injury in twenty twenty seven.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Yeah not great, no, but this will also be under appeal.
Speaker 5 (03:54):
And this is also something that even though they have
the ability for that to be the case, that the
Steelers are gonna actually implement it, especially if there's more
to this story. And this is actually to me becoming
more of a league matter where you've got a player's
been on two different teams and yet it's the same
fan at the same place. I mean, I think there's
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two sides of this conversation. As players, former players, coaches.
You're paid a lot of money, man, and part of
that comes with understanding that you're in the arena and
you're gonna have all sorts of things hurled that you're
you know, thrown at you said to you, and you
get paid a lot of money to be able to
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withstand that. It comes with the territory. And the greatest
thing you can do as a player to shut them
up is go win the damn game. And first off,
that's what Pittsburgh did, by the way, But like let
all that anger, let all that aggression, let everything out
that it's like boiling up inside. Let it display itself
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on the field, because that's gonna be the fruitful way.
It's gonna help your bank account, your family and everything else.
Like you going up to a fan and punching them
or getting into an alter case, like they win that
clip goes viral that a hold's the one that ends.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Up being look look at me, look at me, dukud.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Nook of.
Speaker 5 (05:16):
That that's the only way they win. And as terrible
as that as it sounds, like, letting them feel like
they exist is like the only way they win. And
so that's like more of my advice for a player
or a coach. But this also really comes down to, like,
where are the Lions on this? I mean, this is
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report of the NFL and the Lions have done nothing?
And where's the NFL on this? Two separate teams for
a player and you got the same guy who I mean,
I've seen the allegations. I'm not even gonna get into
that because who knows what's true what's not. We just
know there's a history there between these two.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
But it's like, what do you what do you like?
Why are you not protecting your players?
Speaker 4 (05:57):
More?
Speaker 6 (05:57):
Man, I'm gonna give you a little perspective from a
defender's standpoint, maybe from a player's standpoint, you know, because
I think you you stayed at the obvious in terms
of the conduct aspect of it. But as a player,
when you see things like this and you hear things
like this, I'm going to that's part of my my
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scouting report, that's part of my book on on the
players that we're going up against. And as a linebacker,
I don't get very much interaction with receivers.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
But what I would.
Speaker 6 (06:32):
Tell you is, and I hate maybe I don't hate
to admit it, is this part of the game.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (06:39):
I would target him. He would be a target for
me on the field.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
I would. I would.
Speaker 6 (06:46):
I would try to hit him late or hit him
during the play. I would seek him out and try
to wipe him out, just because I know how he's
he's he is a mo cheese mo dude. He does
not and and I hope he hears this because if
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he can correct this, I can guarantee you he'll probably
be a better football player and moving forward. He's so
he is so committed to being on.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
His dad just went to the Hall of Fame too.
By the way, I believe.
Speaker 6 (07:21):
He's so committed to being like this, this tough dude,
that everything that comes along with it, he.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Goes right with it. He goes right with it.
Speaker 6 (07:33):
Instead of exercising like understanding that being a tough guy
doesn't mean you have to defend being tough all the time,
so I would wipe him out, wipe him out like
he didn't see me coming. I'm blindsiding, and then I'm
a stand over him like as I run, I get,
I'll get a little bit away from him where.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
I'm not held accountable for the hit.
Speaker 6 (07:57):
It's always the second guy. And I look at him
and I would say some wild up to him. I
will say some wild stuff to him, like super wild.
I told you all the story. I hit Michael who
was it not Michael Pittman? Who was the other one man?
I forget his name, Stecker, Aaron Stecker. And it was
probably the wildest thing I've ever said. I said some
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wild things the guys. But I told her I knocked
his helmet off and I looked at his halmlet. I
hit him so hard, I swear on everything. I thought
his head might have still been in the helmet. I
go back and I look at him, his eyes as
big as hell, and I look at I said, get
up off the ground, don't nobody give an f about
your life. In a couple of words after that to
explain who he was, and he looked at me. You
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have moments, right, you have moments where you got to decide,
like like, get up, get your helmet, go back to
the huddle. I'll see him during the game. Come see
me during the game. But you have some guys like
a dk metcalf they can't handle it. And in that moment,
me telling me I don't give an f about his life.
Get your pa ass up off the ground, you pea.
(09:03):
And when yeah right, I just say it. End of
the year, they're not gonna be out there. Yeah right,
I won't be back on air. We'll have another new
addition to the fox. Hey look here, though, some guys
can't handle it. And it's like all right, we say,
oh well, he needs to be better, he needs to
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show more restraint. And this is a part of it. Like, bro,
this game. We just got done talking about rivalries and
how long they've gone. This game has gone on for many, many,
many many years. Cute, you've played this game a long time.
You've heard some of the wildest stuff be said on
the football field to one another, like pile ups. You
hear some of the wildest things said to one another
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on the field. So you can't convince me that this fan,
this fan got to you. So like, I don't care
if you say racial slur and all I don't care.
I do not care. You know who has to care
what you say? Q? The people there had like if
there was a if I were if I looked at
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it and saw it, there were the people that were
around it.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
There was a police officer standing there.
Speaker 6 (10:14):
Right, there was a there was a field attended standing there,
and there was like a couple photographers standing there. If
the dude is hollering out racial slurs and obscenities to
a player, they have to be removed from the stadium. Yeah,
it wasn't even They did not even They did not
even remove this man from the stadium.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
They allowed him to stay.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Because he was calling him his first name and he
had a jersey of DK. I think his real name
is Decaylin and he was calling him de Kaalen over
and over again, just being annoying, and that's what brought
him over. That's why nobody reacted to it. There's video
of it and you can hear that's why nobody reacted.
Speaker 5 (10:52):
There was no real no and DK walked over to
him right like once he walked over there. Yeah, and
makes it look like there's some other relationship or there's
something there, and you know, that's where there could have
been some confusion, but it doesn't it's beside the point
if they already filed a complaint. As I mean, I
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don't think people understand how good the security is now,
even the video surveillance, I mean, the way they can
zoom in on fans know exactly who's sitting in the seats.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
I mean, especially since everything's gone digital.
Speaker 5 (11:24):
I mean, even when you're selling and even when you're
transferring these tickets oftentimes, like for the most part, they know,
like they know who the tickets are going to, They
trace all that stuff. They can get you on video.
Pretty much anything you do in a stadium, they'll they'll
catch you.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
And it's just.
Speaker 5 (11:39):
Surprising to me that there wasn't any more of a
concern either from the Pittsburgh stot of things, and there's
certain security department from obviously Detroit's, but from the NFL.
I mean, these are the sorts of things that like
I would say, this falls into the line of as
much as DK shouldn't have done what he's done, and
that's one part of the conversation. The NFL is negligent
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in a lot of ways. I mean, you have players
who are worth millions upon millions of dollars, and I
don't know that there's enough security around some of these
folks anymore. So the crazy stuff that's going on in
our country, they need to up their level of security
to protect these players, sometimes from themselves.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
And maybe that's the onus is on.
Speaker 5 (12:21):
The team, But in this case, like I just I
feel like this is a bit of a problem for
the NFL not doing more when they had prior information,
Like you don't need to be reactive, you can be
proactive in this case, this dude was already an issue
in the past. How is this still a thing? Like
why was there not security there? Why was the fan
not warned? Or why was this.
Speaker 6 (12:45):
DK metcalf I'm going with DK metcalf on this bulls
eye target.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
You hit, locked loaded, you mad, DK Metcalf, Right, So.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
You mentioned as a defender you would do whatever it
is to rattle this cage, right, Like that's it's basically.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Getting I'm gonna try to get him out of the game.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
And it's basically what Josh Norman did to Odell Beckham
back in the day. Like he knew he could get
under his skin because Odell Beckham had melted down, like
even at there was reports that he had meltdowns in
practice to where teammates were teasing him like harmlessly and
he couldn't take it. And Josh Norman did his homework
and got him. I think he got suspended for a game,
got him kicked out of another game. I just yeah, man,
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I I don't.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Think it's cute either.
Speaker 6 (13:29):
By the way, it's not cute, like people like these
guys become more and more like like pushed into the
celebrity light. It's not cute. It's not cute. Being the
way that DK metcalf is that ain't cute. And and
for what is where do that with? Like I've never
seen him do that with with a big dog. Dude
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with a big dog, grab somebody that that it's a
it's a it's legit right here, Like I'll be your
huckle beery.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
All right, do it?
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Like this guy you're grabbing, Like what is he gonna do?
All right?
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Excuse me?
Speaker 2 (14:05):
What is it? Like?
Speaker 6 (14:05):
DK, You're you're Diesel Like you're six foot four, diesel
yoked up dude, Like like, bro, you grab and nobody
if you watch the video, nobody not the people who
are watching on the field, not the people who are
sitting in the stands. Whatever the exchange was, it was
not people have a way of of You can't fake
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a reaction. You can't if that if he said something
that was abrasive or da da da this and that,
you would saw the lady sit especially.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Like you know up top lady.
Speaker 5 (14:38):
Start to get on your nerves when people say da
da da.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
Do you not me like in the middle of an argument,
d d No.
Speaker 5 (14:45):
But in the middle of the argument if somebody was
saying said, hey, man, you'll come over here you like,
and you said they said that at some point, whoop,
I wouldn't just I'd be thrown off. I'd be like
what I feel like you skipped over something there and
you did. You actually want to say.
Speaker 6 (15:01):
You did skip over something because there was a lot more,
but you wanted to get to the punchline of what
you were getting to.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
The punchline was more important than what was it between you.
Speaker 5 (15:11):
Now you bring back whatever you were going to say
in the da da portion. I got time for you,
You got my attention. Now explain to find the day
because the data.
Speaker 6 (15:21):
Could really be a big that could be a big
moment in the conversation. It could have been a misunderstanding
if you gave the data die.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Do you do you get the sense that.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
I get the sense levard isn't like the nose ring.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Well, that's that's what I like, being real, all right?
So what do you what do you think is DK metcalfe.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
I don't have a dislike for I don't have it.
He's definitely touch.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
What does that mean?
Speaker 2 (15:46):
What does that even mean? Got something going on with you? Man?
Speaker 6 (15:49):
You got you got some type of an issue. Yeah,
touched means like you got some type of like like
Larry Johnson, the second one, not the dad, but he
was a coach at our school and Larry Johnson would
get the ball in practice and he was running over
our starting players, running them, like trucking them, and and
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and periods where it.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Was thud, it's a problem, thud problem. He's touched.
Speaker 6 (16:20):
And we used to ask is dad, like bro LJ,
what do you do to this kid at home?
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Man?
Speaker 6 (16:27):
Like why is he so mad? Like what's the problem? Like, Man,
we look at each other like, dude is touched. Man,
he's touched. Like something ain't right with him. That's not
that's touched. Okay, it's a bruh.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
I get that.
Speaker 6 (16:42):
You know, the stuff that I talk about sometimes it's
not something you relate to, But.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
That's what it is.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
That's what I want.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
That's what touched is. I can't I just that's touched.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
That's you're historically like a verbal example. You're giving me
like an example.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
I just gave you a verbal example. That was a
verbal that was that was.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
An example Urban Dictionary.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
So who would be what's an example of somebody we
work with who's touched?
Speaker 2 (17:09):
What he's doing right now? He's touched.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
See that's what I'm saying, that he's touched. That feels,
you know, insensitive.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
And there's there's there's definitely racial undertone.
Speaker 5 (17:18):
Okay, so this is this is based on the Urban Dictionary.
All right, based on the Urban Dictionary. Urban Dictionary.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Hold on, hold on, let's start what it says.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
Getting felled up.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
That's that's that's dang.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Let me tell let's be clear. Let's let's be clear here.
Speaker 6 (17:38):
The Urban Dictionary on that particular one, that is that's
white slang touched.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
That's what I've got a Black.
Speaker 6 (17:48):
People don't use touch to say, oh I touched her
up like I felled her up, Like that's not that's
not what we used. That's not that's not in our lingo.
I've touched like she's touched, Like what it's not? How
do you even use it in the proper terminology?
Speaker 3 (18:03):
It's a white person think.
Speaker 5 (18:05):
I don't think the Urban Dictionary is invented from definitions
from Waite.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
So you think only urban is based upon black people.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
Now I'm saying urban dictionary. What do you think the
Urban Dictionary is invented for?
Speaker 2 (18:20):
It's slang terminologies? Okay, you think you think so white
people don't have slang.
Speaker 6 (18:28):
I know some white people that got way more slang
than than any other group of people that that I've
been around.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Straight slang. Go to the value. I don't know what
you're talking about. Go to the value. Go to Pittsburgh,
go talk to a yinser. Okay, I want to hear.
Slang goes everything everything I'm trying.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
I want to help out. Your case is not helping.
Speaker 6 (18:51):
I don't need help. I don't need you said, what
are you you're trying to? You don't need to help me.
I know what it means. I'm forty seven years old.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Playble so hold on, you're really taking offense to this. Yeah,
you know how you gonna be, how you gonna be.
Speaker 6 (19:07):
And you know what if I was in front of you,
I grab you by your hair and I try to
punch you in your face?
Speaker 2 (19:11):
How about that?
Speaker 3 (19:13):
I feel like you're over the top.
Speaker 6 (19:17):
Yadya didn't catch And the way you're responding to me,
this is the same way why DK Metcalf, if he
had control, it should have been funny to him, brok
Metcalf issue.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
There's something going on here.
Speaker 6 (19:30):
This is like I know that from you see what
you're doing is that's a whether you're.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Whether you're doing it purposely or not.
Speaker 6 (19:38):
You're instigating and you're playing like oh my gosh, like
oh you're sound so aggressive, Like.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
I'm fine, I've got a problem with him.
Speaker 6 (19:47):
I was actually making a joke when I said I
grabbed you by your here and punch you in your face.
You didn't catch my joke, But that was actually a
play on what DK Metcalf did. But but the point
is is that y'all be I don't know he grabbed
by his hair and cute.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Also, can we address that if you get that close
and you miss you you're.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
A funny dude. Bro, I'm telling you, like, this is
what I do. Know. While I would have had control
if you were.
Speaker 6 (20:10):
I do have a little brother too, by the way,
and he kind of has like some of the traits
that you have, like you you had to be the
baby or something to that effect.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
You said, only boy. All I'm gonna say is my
little brother.
Speaker 6 (20:21):
No matter what happened, no matter amount of control lized show,
no matter the amount of understanding, I always got in trouble.
I always got in trouble. He always got me in trouble.
And it was what you just did just then. What
you did just then is why. So maybe my touched
issue here right now is that I'm getting little brother
syndrome right now, and and I don't like it.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
I don't like it one bit.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
I just I just wanted to make this point.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
You a little you a little b word too. I
want to use it in contract you call.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
I don't care if you can come a bitch. I don't.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
No, I didn't want to do it.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
But the white ass bitch.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
Nah.
Speaker 6 (20:57):
See, I didn't want to do all right, So people
might take the wrong way to think that, so want
to get I don't want to get suspended for.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
You can I argue that he should have been suspended
two games for the fact that he missed a right
hand in close range, like that that's a bad look,
Like if you're that.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
Should be suspended. Should he be suspended two games from missing?
I mean, what's what's the punishment because he grabbed his
hair then he.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Didn't and that's not his hair, it's a wig.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Technically technically he grabbed air and missed. It's like, what's
really the punishment there?
Speaker 6 (21:33):
He's touched, man, he's touched And then slang terms, I mean,
he didn't the dictionary, I.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
Mean, technically technically didn't touch anyone.
Speaker 6 (21:43):
Yeah, kind but but his hair, like, you can't use
that if if that were like say you're in the
court of law and then somebody's like, oh, well he
accosted me, dad, whatever, if you touched there, if that's
a wig, whatever, that still counts right back count. You
can't say by technicality, I had a wig on, so
(22:04):
it didn't really he didn't really touch me.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
And you know, and you know these days, you can
never be sure. You know, there's you know, oh boy,
I'm just saying there's people I'm just saying you just, oh, wow, is.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
What it is?
Speaker 1 (22:18):
What it is? Okay, my fingers are broken. I don't
know what she's touched.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Man oh Lorena.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
I mean, it's no.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Other way to explain that.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
That's totally unnecessary.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
God, it's all. It's all. DK. Let's let me wrap
this up and put a bow on it.
Speaker 6 (22:45):
DK, Metcalf, you need to have more control over your
emotions and stay focused in on the game.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
You are a major piece to the Steelers.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
They kind of need him, right if.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
You are indeed going. I missed two games.
Speaker 6 (23:01):
I'm not sure how that impacts you guys moving into
the postseason, but as tight a race as it is,
I'm sure it could like well, grow up, grow up.
Speaker 5 (23:11):
If Lamar Jackson's not back out there, obviously you know
it helps their case, but there'd be a chance that
I feel like, given the importance at this point of
the season, I could see him winning an appeal.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
If there's history there.
Speaker 5 (23:28):
It doesn't con I'm not trying to condone what he did,
but also like, let's not put him in that position
the first place.
Speaker 6 (23:33):
Somebody else go and get him, you know what I mean, Like,
if it's not that person. It's going to be somebody
else that get him. He's going to do this in
a moment in time where it's going to cost him
and it's going to cost others possible cut possibly. I mean,
he did it during the game. He did it during
the game, you know what I mean. And again, there
were so many people standing there. There was a police
(23:55):
officer standing there watching him walk up to the person.
There was an attendance there, which by the way, was
a black man that was standing there watching him walk
up to the person. The people sitting next to the
guy that was heckling him, they had no type of
reaction to it other than here comes Dk Metcalf walking
up to the guy. The guys leaning over the deal
(24:17):
and they had their exchange. The bottom line is is
don't walk over there. Don't walk over there to begin with,
don't even walk over there to begin with, Like, handle yourself.
This isn't about everybody else. It isn't always about everybody
else all the time. This isn't a racial thing. This
isn't a like it doesn't matter. There's on social media,
(24:40):
there's these dudes that and they're brothers and they be
on they be for Tennessee. They be heckling the hell
out of people before the game. I mean it's bad too,
the way they talk to them.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
It's bad.
Speaker 6 (24:52):
While the d linemen or whoever they are warming up
in the end zone, it's like nothing. You should hear nothing,
It should not impact you that way. He needs to
tighten up now. Granted, whatever it needs to be done
security wise, do that. Whatever your protocols you want to
do better, fine, But at the core root of this,
(25:14):
right here today, what the core root of that situation was.
That's a lack of self control and a lack of accountability.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
It's a selfish issue.
Speaker 6 (25:24):
If you ask me, and if that's my teammate, I'm
ana call him on it, I'm ana pull him on it,
and I'm gonna tell him you're not only costing yourself
in these situations where you do this, you're costing us
as well. And that's that's not okay.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
It's not ok that.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
You sound like a good team leader right there.
Speaker 6 (25:42):
Well, I mean I would have pulled him up. I
would have pulled him up, and I wouldn't have tried
to embarrass him. It would have been me and him,
Like I wouldn't have had him in front of nobody.
It would have been me and him, and I would
have pulled him up on it because that makes you
a better person.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Would you have told him to take out the nose ring?
Speaker 2 (25:58):
No, No, A lot going on there with that.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
I really thought that was a nose ring conversation.
Speaker 6 (26:03):
I thought, that's why I have a boyfriend and my
family that has a nose He has the nose ring
deal going on. So one of my daughter's dates his
her boyfriend has nose rings. So I don't I don't
have an issue with the.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
What are you doing up there?
Speaker 2 (26:21):
I pulled him, I pulled him up on the nose rings.
Speaker 6 (26:24):
I pulled him up you know, the first time I
met him, up pulled him like, what's these nose rings about?
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Can I tell you? Did I tell you?
Speaker 2 (26:30):
I pulled him up on him?
Speaker 3 (26:31):
The boss old school.
Speaker 5 (26:32):
He's not gonna let that dude just walk in and
his daughter and not explain himself.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Can I tell you a Can I tell you a
story real quick about when I had my Lebrett piercing
and I had a cartilage piercing in my ears.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Now that you would have not that would not date. Look.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
I also I also had my hair in knots because
we had just played a concert, so I literally had
braids in my hair and we had shaved the side
of my head. In the back of my head, there
was an obnoxious look. I got in a car accident
after our first concert. I come home and instead of
(27:09):
asking like, how are you sorry about the car, first
thing my dad says is wow, I mean look at you.
Look at you like that had anything to do with
me getting t boned in an intersection.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
It's all.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
His old comment to me was, I mean, look at
the way you look. You look like a freak. Like
it's uh yeah, it's not. It's a bad look all
the way through.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Here's what took you.
Speaker 6 (27:36):
I took the kid out into the deep end of
the pool and I pulled him up on it. Nobody
could hear us talking. I wasn't going to embarrass him.
We went to the deep end of the pool and
we were on floaties and we talked for a good hour.
It's just like your version of taking about a boat
the ocean. That's correct, because if he had answered wrong,
(27:57):
if he had answered wrong, you know, he was going
to get some water and lungs.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Man.
Speaker 6 (28:00):
Oh, I mean it's gonna get some water. Look, you
know I wasn't going to kill him, but I'm scared.
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Speaker 2 (31:52):
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Speaker 1 (31:53):
He's the one and only Dean Blandino, Fox Sports, NFL
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you here.
Speaker 6 (32:14):
Now, it's not good enough, Jonas, good enough. It just
wasn't good enough. I just I feel like Dean should
have got better than that. It's too casuals.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
I don't want to insult uh, you know, his heritage
by doing some candy ass Italian impression. I can do it, though,
I can dust it off and go again.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
You don't want to now, right right.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Right right?
Speaker 1 (32:42):
I mean better late than ever though?
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Correct.
Speaker 6 (32:48):
Well, yeah, now you see what I do. I deal
with on a daily basis, you know, Yeah, yeah, thank you.
I'm glad somebody called it out.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (33:00):
I would also say it sounds like NFL officiating, like
they spend the doing it one way. Then we get
to the playoffs, they like, well, we want to make
this small, simple change, subtle change.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
We're just gonna do it now, you know. Now we're
gonna implement that.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
Like remember the.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
Hip drop tackle. Yeah, Wemember hip drop tackle.
Speaker 5 (33:18):
There's been a few instances where I'm been like, oh,
that's a hip drop, and that just all of a
sudden's not getting called anymore.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
Huh No, that hasn't getten caught. I think it's gone
called twice all year and ever since they made the
hip drop tackle a thing. I watch games and I'm like,
I see like seventy three of them. I'm like, oh,
that's hip drop. That's a hip drop. Yeah. I don't know,
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
Are are they like regretting that rule?
Speaker 5 (33:38):
Or putting it in place because then they've realized now
that it was it was just a reaction to guys
getting injured when it's a way that guys tackle every
single weekend.
Speaker 4 (33:46):
Yeah, well I think the health and safety people probably
don't regret it. But and there's been fines, and there's
been you know, post game, it's been a dress post game.
But still, like I just we've talked about it, don't
know how there's certain situations where it's just it's impossible
to avoid that.
Speaker 6 (34:06):
Dean, I'm of the mindset when I watch these games
obviously people say every single play can be a penalty
and multiple penalties.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
When you look at.
Speaker 6 (34:18):
It from the standpoint of being an expert and analyzing
it and stuff like that, what like what's your thought process,
what's your approach to how you break it down?
Speaker 2 (34:30):
Because it seems like it's simple to say.
Speaker 6 (34:32):
Okay, well cite this, this penalty, cite this fiul, cite that,
and then discuss it. But I mean from a reality standpoint,
where does that line of a perception to being a
professional on how you do it?
Speaker 2 (34:49):
Where is that line for you? Like, what are you
looking for?
Speaker 6 (34:52):
Can you like take our listeners through you're looking for
versus what maybe a layman is looking at when they're
watching the games.
Speaker 4 (35:00):
Well, there's there's something that you know, I learned early
on and people taught me and I hope always talking
to with officials about you've got to call the foults
that we have to call, not the ones that we
could and the ones like what what we mean by
that is the ones that you could. It's like, okay,
I see it by by rule if you strict interpretation
(35:21):
of the rule, Okay, we can defend that, but does
that is that really the intent of the rule is
that what we want? Is that going to have an impact?
Are we really affecting the game positively? Where the calls
that have to be made, whether that's player safety, whether
that's the you know, the significant obvious one that is
going to have an impact on the athem of the game,
those are the ones you have to get. There's you know,
(35:45):
there's a lot that goes on. There's twenty two players.
You know, there's stuff that happens before the snap, but
during the play, after the play, officials have to make
a lot of decisions. But again, it's got it's got
to have an impact it's got to jump out. Those
should really call themselves. And then you certainly don't want
officials being overly technical. Nobody's going to want to watch
(36:05):
a game where there's a flag every other play, And
so that's kind of where you kind of where you
want to draw that line and how you want to
direct the game officials to officiate the game.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
Dean Blandino joining us here on Fox Sports Radio. So,
I wanted to go back to last Thursday, the two
point conversion in Seattle. It was crazy, and you know,
Mike Florio did an article talk and he actually gave
you a shout out. You know that there was the
delay seemed to be what the issue was for Sean McVay,
(36:38):
the rams. So how does that get sped up? Like,
how do we get to the point because it also
seemed like there was a significant delay in the Lions
Steelers play conclusion and at what point, like, how does
that get cleaned up to where we're not having to
wait around for so long and guys are lined up
for a kickoff only to find out no, it actually
(36:59):
was a recovery in the end zone for a two points.
Speaker 4 (37:02):
Well there's been I mean, that play was so crazy
and such a unique play. Now, ultimately the way they
applied the rule and replay was correct, but it, like
you said, it took cover. There's no reason. There's no
way other than than they didn't look at it right away,
and then finally something clicked to be like, wait a minute,
if that passes backward, who recovered it? Okay, Seattle recovered it?
(37:27):
Where did they recover it in the end zone? By rule,
that recovery would count and that would be a two
point try. So there's no reason for that to take
that long. You're immediately one of the things you go
through after play in replace, you look at all the
reviewable aspects of the play. You identify them. What, okay,
forward backward passes reviewable? Let's look at it. Is it forward?
If it is well, hits the ground, look good? If
(37:49):
it's not, it's backward. Okay, who recovered it? That should
have happened immediately. There's no reason that both teams should
be lining up for the kickoff and now somebody says
something finally and we get that process started, and then
and then the end of the line Steelers game right again,
there's a flag down. Yes, replay is going to look
(38:10):
at that Okay, was was GoF down? Was a mon
Rod down before he flips the ball to Goth? You
know what? What what's the clock? But again, that shouldn't
take very long. There should be an announcement right away.
You know, the previous plays under further review. The ruin
have a field, the touchdown, we have a flag down
for offensive pestsmens, whatever it is. That's where it gets confusing.
(38:31):
That's where people are sitting there wondering what the heck
is going on. I think right now there's a lot
of people in those officials' ears. There's a replay booth.
There's like seven people in New York, and it feels
like right now, in some of those situations, those crazy situations,
it's like people are scrambling and there's nobody there to
kind of slow things down and say, wait a minute,
(38:51):
here's what we're going to do. And I think that's
what happened in both of those situations.
Speaker 5 (38:55):
Okay, So on that point one of the things that's
become a little bit confusing. And then behind the scenes,
like you guys do such a good job with your videos,
and I think you brought this up either last week
or two weeks ago, but then even this past week
in the Philly watch that game, there's the replay assistant
and then you see dan Quinn I believed challenged it
and send it. Yeah, which talk to us and help
(39:18):
educate us on the review process, like the replay assistant.
And then where does it go if they're challenges, does
that go to New York and there's someone else in
New York?
Speaker 4 (39:25):
Yeah? So so replay assist is the replay official in
the stadium in the replay booth, and and the way
they look at that is that's an extension of the
on field officials. Whereas if there's a tight catch no
catch at the sideline and the officials get together and
they will catch, and the replay official at the stadium
(39:46):
sees that it's clearly the second what's clearly out of bounds,
they're going to they're going to communicate right away, you know,
hey guys, we got an incomplete pass. And then the
referee will get on the on the mic and just
say that we're on the field, is an incomplete pass
that's replay assisted. That should happen very quickly when it's
very obvious if a coach and that's still challengeable, you know,
(40:08):
like Dan Quinn, did we've seen that happen? You know
a couple of weeks wo, Andy Reid did challenged one it.
Once it goes to review, then that decision is made.
Back in New York, there's a group of supervisors. There's
there's two or three people that can make decisions there,
and one of those people are going to be on
(40:28):
the headsets at that time because the game is stopped
talking to the referee, looking at the video and making
that decision. So that's kind of a difference between those
two those two processes.
Speaker 6 (40:40):
Dan, we saw what happened with DK Metcalf in the game.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
Has ever been a flag of this? Uh what what
is it?
Speaker 6 (40:50):
Disorderly or or what what what's it called?
Speaker 1 (40:54):
Like?
Speaker 2 (40:54):
Uh yeah, unsportsmanlike conduct? Yeah, there we go, Like has
there ever been one thrown for interaction between a player
and a fan? Has that ever happened? Is that even
in the rule book? Two happen?
Speaker 4 (41:08):
Yeah, that's it. It's so not that I can remember now,
but fans are not subject to the playing rules, and
so that that's not remember. I don't know, way back
like thirty years ago, used to have a crowd noise rule.
What if the crowd got too loud, the quarterback, right,
the visiting team quarterback would step back and look at
the referee and be like, it's too loud, and the
(41:29):
referee would give warnings and then would flag. And that
became a joke because when you tell the crowd, hey,
be quiet, what are they going to do loud? They're
going to be louder. So so fans are not subject
to the playing rules, you know. That's that's a that's
a security issue. That's ay so so, not that the
officials would have seen that anyway, but but interaction with
(41:51):
the fans is something separate from the officials jurisdiction. Obviously
the league can take and they did with the two
games suspect, but that's not something that the officials can
get involved in.
Speaker 6 (42:04):
Like I had a ball boy try to start a
fight with me at a game this year and the
official and the official got involved, like not the official
in the game, but the official that was on, like
the league guy, like the head guy, like like reprimanded them.
Why And I don't know, I don't know if that
could have left, But in my mind, I don't don't
(42:27):
A ball boy, well, I mean as a college kid.
A kid, I mean, he's a college guy.
Speaker 4 (42:31):
I mean, what happened.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
He started.
Speaker 6 (42:36):
I did not get into a fight. He tried to
start one. Like so what did he say?
Speaker 2 (42:43):
It doesn't matter. I don't want to go into.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
The details of.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
Question.
Speaker 6 (42:50):
No, No, what he was doing, well, well, here's what
he was doing. A big play took place at a
very very big moment in the game. And he started
running down the sideline, taunting our sideline, taunting the guys
on the side.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
What was he saying.
Speaker 6 (43:10):
Oh, it was a lot of explicitives that they were
coming out. Well, y'all could take that, Like, no, it
was more like it was more like, yeah, yeah, if
y'all y'all af that, Yeah, here we go. And I
found myself. I found myself good one. I found myself
further closer to the field at that point in the
(43:34):
direction he was running, and he just kind of he
bumped into me.
Speaker 2 (43:39):
He bumped, he ran into me, and it created.
Speaker 3 (43:44):
Into you.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
I mean I wasn't close until I saw him.
Speaker 6 (43:50):
So you got in his way? Yeah, I did. Somebody
needed to, you know, So I did it anyway. He
he he kept going though, like he didn't want to
stop like he wanted boy for Indiana.
Speaker 2 (44:08):
No, it wasn't a ball boy for Indiana. Actually it
was u C. L A was akh It didn't. It
didn't end well for us.
Speaker 4 (44:20):
I mean that that was the that was the the bottom, right,
that was the rock bottom.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
So that was bottom. It wasn't actually was Northwestern it was.
It was the next week. Yeah, next week was rock bottom.
I mean for me, for me, it was but it nonetheless,
he was in the wrong. He was in the wrong.
Speaker 5 (44:45):
Dan, you have to understand Levar's got in the fight
with a gather of oxygen tank and apparallel.
Speaker 3 (44:50):
Now for u C.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
I picked my fights wisely, unlike Jake Paul. That is true.
Just pick my fight wisely. It is like DK metcalf
with my.
Speaker 1 (45:04):
Dean. Now before I let you go, uh quickly, any
any Christmas traditions? What's what's the plan?
Speaker 4 (45:11):
Jas? I appreciate you trying to be a professional, because
there's no coming back from that conversation that there's no
there's like, so what do you think of the past
appearance in the in the packers, Like it's not happening.
It's all I'm thinking about, is ball Boy.
Speaker 6 (45:25):
Or the two point conversion. You know how you get
that two point conversion? You know how that happened.
Speaker 3 (45:30):
Hey, Dean, we're doing the Seven Fishes tomorrow. Mine laws
are coming in town. Uh do you do you do
you support that?
Speaker 4 (45:37):
Of course I support that? Right, make sure the music plays?
Speaker 2 (45:40):
I mean, yeah, what's seven fish?
Speaker 4 (45:43):
Christmas Eve is as big as you know with the
Italians as Christmas Day. You know, it's the whole big thing.
It's it's there's a there's there's a lot we could
get into, you know. I wish LeVar wouldn't have hijacked
the conversation with I'm sorry, maybe maybe next week, next week.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
Feast of the Seven Fishes, dear Merry Christmas.
Speaker 4 (46:03):
Thank you brother, appreciate your.
Speaker 2 (46:07):
Is it like seven different species of fish? What?
Speaker 3 (46:10):
Seven different types of fish?
Speaker 5 (46:12):
Yeah, there's some like more traditional servings, but like you know,
most of the kids and stuff would eat them, so
it'll be seven fish more kind of geared towards what
we're eating.
Speaker 1 (46:20):
Oh, that sounds so fun.
Speaker 3 (46:23):
When you said the.
Speaker 5 (46:24):
Jap, Paul of What said, yeah.
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end of the end of an era in the world
of football coming up here. Kansas City Chiefs. They're gonna
be leaving Arrowhead Stadium for a new dome stadium that's
(48:05):
gonna cost three billion dollars and we'll be built across
the Kansas Missouri state line.
Speaker 2 (48:12):
Now they're gonna call it the Coffin.
Speaker 1 (48:14):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (48:17):
Damn, damn, the reign of that kingdom is over.
Speaker 1 (48:22):
Hold on.
Speaker 2 (48:23):
I'm sorry, Damn, I'm bad.
Speaker 1 (48:26):
Probably not wrong, man, my bad, right, not wrong. But Brady,
that's a place you called home. Arrowhead Stadium has been there.
Speaker 5 (48:40):
Long ast time, longest time. Shaking back, I feel I
feel bad man. I mean, I obviously enjoyed I spent
a year there. I don't know what I call it home,
but I enjoyed it. Like for the fans, the tail getting.
One of the coolest things about play out there is
just how good the barbecue is. And like when you
(49:01):
roll up to those games, man, people would be tailgating
barbecue and their ass off, So it's it's a cool setup.
I'm sure this will be great for the fans at
some point, but it obviously doesn't help out the state
of Missouri, you know, moving across state lines. Clearly there's
some financial incentives that are helping out, you know, the
ownership group. So I haven't really looked into this a
(49:24):
ton to kind of understand it, but it seems pretty
evident most of these NFL franchises are looking at trying
to find a way of building some sort of monstrosity
and incredible stadium and development for their team, for their franchise,
for the for the fans, but really really to make money,
and they'll find whatever means to do so that are
going to be the cheapest and most advantageous for them.
(49:47):
And I would assume that's what this all has to do.
It's no different than Chicago talking about Northwest Indiana made
a potential site for their next stadium. I mean, it's
it's all. It's all about money, man. At the end
of the day.
Speaker 6 (50:01):
Well again, listen, football used to be something way different
than what it's turning into. I always felt like playing
in the elements was a part of the game.
Speaker 1 (50:13):
Look at the Bill's new stadium is going to be outdoors.
Speaker 5 (50:16):
They're not going dumb, no, yeah, but it's constructed in
which the wind's not going to be as big of
a factor.
Speaker 2 (50:22):
You know, Go ahead, y'all, go ahead.
Speaker 6 (50:25):
I was just going to say, you know, playing in
elements makes makes men out of people, and and now
that we have women playing football, I would say it
makes women out of of girls. I guess I don't
I don't know, but I just I think, you know,
anytime we go into these type of realms historically, Casey
(50:46):
and you know, you mentioned Buffalo, you know, Pittsburgh, places
you know where it gets cold New York, I think
it should be outdoors, man, I think it should be outdoors.
I think they should all be outdoors, you know. And
so that's that's kind of my point. Y'all can go
ahead and take it from there.
Speaker 3 (51:03):
You see, you're still trying to figure out the first
end of that.
Speaker 2 (51:05):
But okay, oh, I mean, y'all talk over me.
Speaker 6 (51:08):
I was trying to make the point, but y'all jump
in so quick I couldn't get to my point, and
that we're about to run out of time.
Speaker 2 (51:13):
So I just figured out.
Speaker 3 (51:14):
No, it wasn't that like the first thing you said
when you were talking.
Speaker 2 (51:17):
I mean, what's football? What was I saying? Please tell me?
Speaker 5 (51:20):
Yeah, you hate the fact that, like, you know, football
get not outdoors. It all should be outdoors.
Speaker 2 (51:24):
Yeah, football is getting soft man.
Speaker 6 (51:27):
People don't want to play against each other anymore because
they don't want to lose. People don't want to play outdoors.
Why why you don't want to play outdoors? You don't
want to deal with some rain, a little snow, some slush?
Why too cold?
Speaker 2 (51:39):
Come on?
Speaker 6 (51:41):
I could never imagine Beaver Stadium being indoors. Just would
never never work. But just one man's opinion.
Speaker 2 (51:47):
That's all. That's all.
Speaker 6 (51:49):
Got good, guys, got got don't don't be quiet now,
y'all want to do the quiet deal? Like we're going
to the break anyway, So hour three coming at you
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