January 7, 2026 • 42 mins
In Hour 2, the guys get Jimmy Haslam making comments about Kevin Stefanski getting fired and getting animated about claims of dysfunction in his organization. Plus, the talk about Kliff Kingsbury leaving the Commanders for other ventures, The Good, The Bad, & The Ugly, and more!!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:37):
In the air.
Speaker 4 (00:38):
Everybody hears this song. Now, that's why I haven't changed it. Yeah,
I gotta get mine done.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Got to get it changed. What do you mean everyone
hears it?
Speaker 4 (00:48):
See you don't watch the games all like that. Well,
when you watch the games, you'll hear this.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
I hear that song.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
I'm telling you, Like before every kickoff, like after a
score or something like that, you'll hear this. This is
the one, just the one they play. I like, there
it is right there. I want to say it to
the guys tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
There it is.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Every week I'm not. I don't even want this to
come off in anyway. There we go typically don't have
the volume up on the TVs.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Or reason or or you're calling it.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Well I'm not doing that many but well I just
it's it's tough. You got five young kids in the house.
You know, they don't want to theyn't want to hear that.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
Oh so I'm just messing anyway. But the interesting thing
is is I do be I hear it like like
multiple games.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
From a show. I thought that was from Is it Scandal?
What was the name of the show? Oh, I don't know,
is it Patrick Macy or something like that. The first
time I ever heard this was what's that guy's name?
I was doing, you know, my my daughter's team, the
Oregon Ducks. That's when I heard the songs like this
is this song kind of hypes me up? Like I'm
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kind of like I don't want to get hype, But
am I getting.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Hype right now? Like I'm feel like I'm this is
getting me William h.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Spacey, I was not even close from Shameless, Shameless, thank you?
I think that that songs and Shameless It's a good show.
I didn't finish it. It was a good show, yeah,
little redundant.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Do you have to finish a show for it to
be a good show. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
I didn't finish Homeland, and I thought Homeland was a
good show. I have yet to finish Homeland. Did they
did it finish?
Speaker 5 (02:27):
Like?
Speaker 4 (02:28):
Was there a conclusion to Homeland? I don't know how many.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Students a ton. I think a good show, I will
watch again and again.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
I'll have it playing in the background when I'm not
even watching it, you know, and I definitely finish it.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Okay, So a good show in your mind, you have
to finish, you have to do you have to finish
the series.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
I don't feel like you have to finish a series
for it to be a good show.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Okay. How about do you have to see every episode?
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Like like Seinfeld was around in an era where you
didn't have the ability, it's necessarily like tape it and
come back and watch like by like DVDs and stuff.
So do you at least have to watch every episode?
Speaker 3 (03:07):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (03:07):
I don't never seen a full episode of Seinfeld ever once, But.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
It's not that's not your humor. How about Breaking Bad?
Have you gy seen Breaking Bad?
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Yes? Yeah? Now show like that, you have to make
it to the Yeah, I finished. We got to make it.
It was physically ill. It got a little depressing. Yeah,
I was physically ill.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
I was upset for like a couple of days after
I finished it, and I binge watched it. I've been
watched I binged it, like I think I took like
three days to watch it.
Speaker 6 (03:38):
Game Game of Thrones, I've watched that multiple times. It's
just it's it's too long. I did it once. I'm good.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
I don't need to go back and watch.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
I could go watch Game of Thrones today. I could
go watch House and Dragons this first day.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
I know what episodes dang, well, you're talking.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
About Kyle Drogo, Drago, the Darth Rockey, the trackies, well
about Stranger Things Jonas, Oh here he goes.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Yeah, I watched it definitely. Oh yeah, I finished the
last season. Five came out.
Speaker 6 (04:15):
Yeah, the last episode came out.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Anything don't so I watched the first three.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
I was starting to crack open, like I'm one of
the I have to be a d bag and do
like if I'm doing cardio, I can't like not do
something else if I'm doing cardio. So now I have
to like put on a show or something, and so
like IM, that's what I'm watching. And I realized I
must have missed all season four.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
So I've never watched one second of it.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
It's kind of sci fi. You have to be in
the sci fi. I like sci fi.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
I've just never I always thought Stranger Things was a
kid's movie.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Well it's what they do. And I told you this.
Speaker 6 (04:51):
It's the The brilliant part about it is it's a
kid show, but it takes place back then, so parents
can look back, go I remember that, look, I remember.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
It's like Little Mermaid. It's it's very relatable, like Little Marmade.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
Daddy was a hoe, had a whole bunch of shorties,
different different, different ethnic background. I got a whole bunch
of kids, a whole bunch of daughters. One was more
special than the rest of them. She wanted what she
couldn't have, but she was spoiled, so she went and got.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
It, you know what I mean. Like he he was,
he was the same Mermaid, Little Mermaid. Yeah, he animated
or the live action, the original, It doesn't matter the original,
it doesn't matter.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
There's there is always adult context connected to Disney movies.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Well that's true. I mean, it just is what it is. Brady.
I'll just say this, no spoiler on Stranger Things. Oh,
here we go. You're you're a gee be on the
lookout for the forcing of something woke to the show
that was told. Oh already that's season four. I already.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
I'm already like really like do we need to hammer?
I don't want to get into it. Man, everything's so forced,
is sating?
Speaker 4 (06:05):
Oh I know what you're doing. Okay, all right, okay,
twenty twenty six. I got you agendas, Yeah, yeah, I
got you.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
It's like thought, we just have a fun story that
doesn't have to.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
Like yeah, like kind of like, you know, to introduce
you to that world.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Got it.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
No, it's not even to introduce you to it. It's
just like because that's always been the case. But like
in some in some plots, things are really forced.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Interesting. It's like it comes out of nowhere. There's no
justification for it.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
It doesn't tie into it, and you're just going, okay
into a kid, just as someone's got a got literally.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Nothing to do with any anything.
Speaker 6 (06:44):
Yeah, and for whatever reason, they got to make sure
we dotted that I and cross that te.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
So that we're literally got that ie across that tea.
Speaker 6 (06:53):
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want to hear somebody who's got no self awareness whatsoever,
get a whiff. Jimmy Haslam, the owner of the Cleveland Browns.
When there was some discussion about whether or not Andrew Berry,
current GM and now former head coach Kevin Stefanski could
get along, some of you said this.
Speaker 5 (07:35):
Is a dysfunctional building. I'd take a huge exception of that.
The two of them work just like this, okay, and
they talk all the time. Their offices are basically next
door to each other. I mean, is there tension in
the building, of course, I mean there's this is a
hard business and there's lots of stuff going on. But
the two of them work together extremely well, extremely well.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
Started.
Speaker 5 (07:59):
I can't and on that one thing, Tony. But if
anybody says this is dysfunctional, well though two of them
did not work well, but that's dead wrong.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Now.
Speaker 6 (08:07):
The question that was being asked was why would Kevin
Stefanski be surprised that Joe Flacco was traded in the
division in the middle of the year.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
By the way, how many times does that happen? It's crazy,
It's great.
Speaker 6 (08:23):
That's why Mike Tomlin was so outspoken about it, because
he's like, look, man, why would you do that? Yeah,
like Stefanski's a buddy of his and Stefanski it's it's
the most If you go back and listen to Stefanski
after that came out, it's the most frustrated I'd ever
heard him in Cleveland. I'd never heard him get frustrated,
be impatient anything with the media, even with all the
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shoot or crap that he was dealing with that Joe
Flacco trade. I was the most frustrated he sounded because
he was like, what are we doing?
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Like, what is happening here?
Speaker 1 (08:57):
I find it fascinating you have an owner who's taken
over as the majority owner back in October of twenty twelve. Okay,
in that time, they've fired seven coaches. The list of coaches.
Pat Shermer, Robchazinsky only got one year, and and I
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guess in Jimmy Haslm's defense, he inherited Pat Shermer, but
Rozency only got one year.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
That was his first hire, a guy who like bled.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Sweat everything for the Browns, you know, from that like
northern part of Ohio, and had been there with me
as an oc. He loved everything about that place, and
only gave him a year. Hire's Mike Petton, he gets
two years, he gets fired. Hire's Hugh Jackson, he gets
three years. We'll get into that. He gets fired, Greg Williams,
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he steps in for half a season, whatever it was,
he gets fired. Freddy Kitchens one season, one and done.
He's fired. At least Kevin Stefans got more time, But
a lot of that was because when he first got there,
he wins the a PNFL Coach of the Year and
they end up going to the playoffs at eleven and five.
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Next year got rid of Mayfield after they when a
nine missed the playoffs. Remember Mayfield's playing banged up, can't
figure out a long term contract. Whatever rift happened, happened.
You know, they bring in Watson, they'll go seven to ten.
Then Watson gets hurt and Flaker comes in twenty twenty three,
another playoff year, but comes in as their fourth quarterback
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that season. Stefanski once again wins Coach of the Year
three and fourteen, five and twelve. So there's your track
record of him as an owner. And I think in
that timeframe, if it's not the most coaches who have
been hired and fired, it's got to be top three
in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
I don't know about you, guys. Does that sound like dysfunction?
Kind of okay? I was like, you can't make up
your mind? And then let me help people understand too.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
What happens when you don't have like a clean sweep
between the front office and a head coach. Typically it's
because one of those guys has the ear of the owner.
And in this case, Andrew Berry, who survived and Kevin Stevanski,
who they've moved on from, clearly has the ear of
Jimmy Haslm. Because this is Andrew Berry's tenure with the
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Cleveland Browns. He had originally started there back in twenty sixteen.
I think he was like the vice president of something
or whatever, but high up in the front office.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
And during that period of time he was a part
of group and.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
A brain trust that came up with the idea to
tank in essence to be able to get top line
players like a Baker Mayfield, like a Miles Garrett. So
you could say from that perspective it was successful to
a degree, right, Miles gear just set the single season
sack record. But during Barry's initial stint, they go one
to fifteen, oh to sixteen, seven to eight.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
And one he leaves to go to the Eagles.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
He comes back in twenty twenty, so he's been gone
for a couple of years. He inherits basically a ross
that I guess you'd say they helped kind of put
together because they stunk so bad, ended up kneecapping Hugh Jackson, Right,
I remember that whole debacle.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
So they he comes back in twenty twenty.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Now as the general manager and really a roster that
he didn't build, didn't have much saying, goes to the
playoffs in large part because of Mayfield's play. Stefanski obviously
coached the year his coaching job. All right, So what happens, Well,
the next season they go eight to nine. Mayfield ends
up moving on. They can't figure out a way of
working a long term deal. And you can put that
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on Haslm the regiship with Mayfield, whatever you want, but
Andrews Berry is a part of that. So they couldn't
get the deal done. They ended up bringing Deshaun Watson,
signed him to this ridiculous deal. We've never seen that
much guaranteed money before on a fully guaranteed deal. He
can't stay healthy. They go seven and ten, and then
again we go back to the twenty twenty three season,
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in large part due to you could say luck the
flack was even available by a lot of coaching because
what stefanski Is staff did. And then since that point
they've deteriorated to a three, fourteen, five and twelve team.
And so I look at it and just say, how
the hell is this guy still hired? How is he
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still your general manager? Like, if there's one person in
the building he was immediately gonna.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
Get interviews, it's Kevin Stefanski. And somehow Andrew Berry's safe in.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
All this, Like he wasn't a part of arguably the
worst season the history of the Browns, the worst two
year tenure in twenty sixteen twenty seventy.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
He was a part of that.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
He hasn't been a part of the lack of any
stability that any quarterback had. I don't care if you
want to talk about Watson Shador whoever, and he trades
away Joe Flacco in the division. It's mind boggling to
me that somehow Andrew Barry has survived and there's not
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wanting to be a clean sweep in this whole thing.
So yeah, that sounds like dysfunction to me.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
One playoff win, two playoff appearances in the last decade
at the pro level, that's dysfunctional.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
That's dysfunctional.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
The sun shines on a blind dog's ass once in
its life, that's what that is.
Speaker 5 (14:38):
Like.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
The fact that they made it, in the fact that
they were able to beat the Pittsburgh Steelers in the
wildcard round and get that one singular win, that's what
it spells. And I would say the bigger concern here
is that you have an owner that is actually out
front saying that he takes exception to it and is
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trying to defend what the organization what it currently is.
You know, they say, like when you go to get help.
One of the first things that I took classes on
this in college. You know, that's what I majored in.
So I'm talking some counseling education. You have to acknowledge.
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You got to acknowledge what your problem is. You can't
fix what's wrong until you first acknowledge what is wrong.
So the fact that you have an owner that isn't
even able to acknowledge the fact that you have a
dysfunctional organization means that you're destined to continue to repeat
the same shortcomings, the same mistakes that have you in
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a situation that you're currently in. You cannot you cannot
change those circumstances until you actively know what circumstances you're
trying to change. So I don't know if maybe at
night he's looking in the mirror and he's like, yeah,
we are dysfunctional and I need to figure it out,
and that could possibly be what it is. But to me,
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I feel like, in the business of athletics and football,
I feel like being candid, being transparent and to a
certain degree is endearing to your fan base. It is
a breath of fresh air when you hear a person
of his status say it like, yeah, we are a
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little dysfunctional. Are we fully dysfunctional? I would take tremendous
exception to that. I don't think we're fully dysfunctional, but
we're dysfunctional enough where we're getting the results that I
can't argue against you guys asking me or me seeing
reports or hearing about how dysfunctional we are.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
These are things that we have to address to me.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
If he came out and got out front of it
in that way, I think that goes a much further
way versus the idea of you putting it out there.
You take tremendous exception to the fact that there's dysfunction
within the building and that the GM and the hey
coach didn't get along and all those You're you're defending
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the wrong discussion points anyway, if you.
Speaker 6 (17:15):
Ask me, I mean, yeah, So basically, no self awareness,
like he's not aware enough to realize I got a problem,
like this is a real issue. And look, it's not
to say that maybe he's embarrassed. You know, he could
It's fine, he could be aware. He just might be
embarrassed to say that that's what it is.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
So walk. Sometimes ego can get in the way of
things as well, all right, So I don't care how
big your ego is.
Speaker 6 (17:36):
If you've got a skid mark on your backside, at
a certain point, you got to take your trousers off, okay,
like you just got to change pants. And he's walking
around with his skid mark from his shoulder blades to
his ass and he's looking around going, oh, what do
you mean, what's the problem, dude? It's not teams wif
on trades all the time. It happens like nobody's perfect.
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Look at the forty nine ers, I mean the Trey
Lance deal. They give it what three first round picks,
Like the Brandon Ayuke deal. Like, Yeah, teams can make mistakes, understood,
But it's the teams that are able to overcome them
that you're you don't really look at them and judge
them differently. The Broncos the Russell Wilson trade man that
didn't work out at all. That was a full blown
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with Look at the Broncos. Now they got the one
seed in the playoffs. The Niners almost had the one
seed in the NFC. And those are trades that happen.
They have nobody and those are trades that happened not
that long ago with the Browns and Jimmy has them.
There's multiple examples of stuff they've done where you're like, why, why,
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what are you doing? You got Baker Mayfield, who's flourished
in Tampa Bay, whatever you think of it.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
You know, he was banged up this year. He was
in the building that was yours. You let him walk.
Speaker 6 (18:52):
Kevin Stefanski's going to get hired somewhere as a two
time coach of the Year. You let him walk. It's
just time after time after time. The Sean Watson fiasco,
so him looking around and going, well, what's the problem you?
Speaker 3 (19:05):
What do you mean?
Speaker 4 (19:06):
Man?
Speaker 3 (19:09):
I really don't get this is like Winny Johnson crazy.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
And even the Watson deal in retrospect like that has
not gotten him. I mean not that he cares about
what owners think or feel about him. Have we seen
someone have anywhere close to that deal since? No, No,
And because it's failed miserably, Like you know, kudos to
the agent, kudos to the player. But on the flip
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side of that, you're you're never gonna see another player
get that offer opportunity again because it's blown up. It
hasn't worked out like and that's that's another staining again.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
If you want to put on Jimmy Hasselm, so be it.
But Andrew Berry is a part of that too.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
So it's just it's crazy to me that you can
look in the mirror and say, oh, this isn't dysfunctional yet.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
It is yet. It is like you can't have this
sort of string of zero.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Six sss and then these outlier years with a coach
who's kind of guided you through in a locker room
that you know is able to make make their way,
playing with multiple quarterbacks and find success still and.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Then sit there and say, oh, a general manager.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
It's like once the season starts, it's more like coaching
staff than anything else.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Some agms that can come in and help.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
But I know a lot of people are critical of
Joe Shane, you know, remaining with the New York Giants
and that the ten years.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Since he's been in there and all that. And you
can give Joe Shane a lot of flack for not
signing back Saquon. That's justified.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
That's really how he handled Daniel Jones slash Saquon, how
that whole thing should have went down. But when it
comes down to it, there's still some building black pieces
on that team, and he's not coaching once the season starts.
He's not down there calling plays, making adjustments.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
So I don't know.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
I've always find it interesting that in some instances we're
willing to sit there and I kind of point the
finger at someone else who as a coach.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
The guy is going to be a head coach.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
If he wants next season, you just let go of
a guy who's a two time coach. There how many
guys how many active head coaches right now are multiple
time APNFL.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
Coach of the Years.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
It's not too many. Yeah, I can't off the top
of my head. I'm only thinking. Hey, the fact that
before we even got going with the season, Brady Quinn says,
it's the Cleveland Browns Shador Sanders will play, and they
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gave me the information on how many quarterbacks? Was it
what six in one year that played? I believe was
the number that was given.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Oh, this year, Yeah, that might be right.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
Say it was one of the years. I'm not sure
if it was this year, but and it could have
been this year.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
I don't this year they had at least four than five.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
If that, if I'm asking you, if you're rebuttaling you,
you take tremendous exception to the fact that this is
a dysfunctional organization.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
The first rebuttal I would.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
Have is, sir, do you realize that you have a
fifth round draft pick starting your your team at the
end of the season over a third round draft pick
and two free agents that you brought in to play
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and one of those was traded to a divisional opponent.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
It's like, it's like, hey, I'm by the way, yeah,
only three starters?
Speaker 4 (22:40):
Only three d it was last year it was either
less because the season hadn't started, you ha cited. It
was one of the seasons that it was like at
least six quarterbacks played started or played for the Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
I think it was six, I'm pretty certain.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
And for all those Browns fans that are up at
about the manner in which I'm taking this or or
what I'm saying, I did pick them with the Super
Bowl or they go to the super Bowl like two
years and you did, Yeah I did, you did, And
obviously that was well off. So y'all can be upset
all you want, But I've been in this corner for
a long time as a childhood fan as a player,
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which you know it was different ownership back then. And
this is the one thing I've always said like about
Jimmy Haslm is he's got deep pockets and he's willing
to spend and so as much as there is dysfunction,
like he still has the capabilities of turning this thing around.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
Now you want to talk about the Raiders.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
The Raiders are a whole different conversation and we can
talk about that tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
Or there's some others. But like again, I think the
Giants have money.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
There's other organizations where they don't have to necessarily go
out to raise capital or bring in limited partners to
get cash to then spend and turn this thing around.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Like Jimmy Haslm has money and he's willing to spend it.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
We saw with the Miles Garrett Conchact, all the other
players contracts, Watson we mentioned, So that is the one
optimistic approach outside of we were drafting.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
But also you have an ownerve that's willing to spend
that money.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
He's not just trying to hold it all and make
a profit and take a bunch of money off the table.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
I just think you got to change the name in
order to change the direction of the franchise.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Just start there. What are you going with? Start there?
You you skit mark.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
If you got the skit mark on your trousers and
you're not going to take them off.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
Then that's on you. I mean.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
And the fact that they've been the diapers high whatever
it is you went down that lane.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Jonas had a close call with some dairy. That's why
he brings that up recently. What do you mean is
he because he has those real life experiences where he's
lactose intolerant.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
Of army too, and he'll hit me up and be like, yep,
almost happened. Hey, by the way, almost happen.
Speaker 6 (24:51):
Let's not Let's not act like you don't also fall
victim to that in the in the last couple of years.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
All right, Brady is charge. I turned four and all
of a sudden, a lot of things change.
Speaker 6 (25:01):
Freaks realize slowly that milkshake fetish that lands differently past
forty Dad.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
That's good, all right. We had a long drive home.
I can sit well. I had that happen yesterday at
the barbershop. I was like, yeah, just wait till I
get home. Always always wait, do you guys happen to
have a restaurroom? It's the worst one. You got to
take a long time before you come out, Like if
(25:30):
you could be quick with your your you know, entry
and departure, it's yeah, but when you when you're at
an away game and you're in there for too long
a year.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Everyone knows there's no escaping man.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
And then the worst is when somebody doesn't give it
that that grace period before they go in there. Oh no,
and you got to sit there and you're like looking
around like why you're gonna go in there?
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Why why would you go in there?
Speaker 4 (25:57):
And then the one time I don't have a lighter
with me, or they don't have a lighter in the bathroom,
but they have like incense or something like that that
could be lit.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
I don't have a lighter. It was bad I had
or does it have to be a match? It needed to.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
Be something that I could light something with fire in
order to take away knock down some of the arrogance
that came out of me.
Speaker 6 (26:22):
Yeah, the problem is if there's a smoke alarm in there,
then no, that wouldn't have been that much smoke.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
It just would have been like a little.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
Yeah, not like that. That's a little extreme. That's a
little extreme. The crazy thing is when I saw it,
I was like, would I do it? Like, Nah, I
would choke. I would choke. That's too much. That was
too much. Yeah, all right, so it's too much. So
diapers know for a team name for the Browns, what
about the Steamers. I just think you got to change Browns.
(26:52):
I think you've already you're you've already set yourself back
by I want a Steamer be at this point, and
you're and your franchises like when when the when the
Mayflowers left, when they came back, they brought them back, Like,
think about it, You went from the Browns to the Ravens.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
It pays homage obviously to their you know, legendary first
coach Paul Brown.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
Yeah, I get it, you know, I get it. But
we're so far away from Paul Brown.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
We're so far away. Yeah, Like changing the name.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Do you know what one of their other options was
that they almost called them what was it, the Cleveland Panthers.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
That I would have no problem with that.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
Now that does have a little bit of conflict because
Pittsburgh has Panthers, and there is a very very long
lasting beef between Ohio and Pennsylvania. So I could see
if y'all didn't go with Panthers. But it sounds better
than Brown's. Yeah, that's all I'll say. So.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
No, No, I believe if the if the story of
the legend is true.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
They had a f contest to pick the name, and
that's what the fans picked. So it is an interesting
thing to bring up because maybe they have the fans.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
Picked well, So here's a problem with that.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
Then don't accuse the owner of being dysfunctional when the
fans are dysfunctional too. Because while I would love to
pay homage to Chuck Knowle, I would never want to
call the Sburg Steelers the Knowles Pittsburgh Knowles. No, I
wouldn't want to do it. Not bad, No, it's not bad.
It's not great, all right, better than Brown's. Yeah, not
(28:33):
a fan of the I knew you had to do it.
You had to do it, not hning you over.
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Speaker 3 (28:55):
All right, it's cot up next year.
Speaker 6 (28:57):
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Speaker 6 (29:22):
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Speaker 4 (29:37):
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I'm talking about the Big New Yorker. Pat that's right,
Grab the big one and fold it.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
If you can handle it. You know what it is.
You gotta figure it out. And you know what game day.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
Pizza Hut order. It could be the Big New Yorker,
it could be something else. Personally, I like the meat
lovers with some mushrooms too.
Speaker 6 (30:10):
A huge fan, huge fan, not so much the mushrooms,
but a big fan of the Big New Yorker because
you know, man, like you were saying, bar, yeah, I
like to fold it.
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Not good news, I guess, depending on how you look
at it. Cliff Kingsbury is out as offensive coordinator in Washington.
(31:56):
That's a rap on his time with the Commanders. Seem
like wasn't that long ago he was getting some love.
Is potentially going to be a head coach again based
on his Jaden Daniels experience with the rookie year and
apparently that'll be that for him. Also a defensive coordinator,
Joe Witt Junior is out. It just feels like it's
(32:19):
a far cry from the conversations we were having about
the Commanders just a year ago. Now. We were talking
about this team making a run. They want a playoff game.
Then they won another one and upset the Lions, and
now less than a year later, they're looking for coordinators
kind of wild.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
It leads or lends itself, and LeVar, I think you
could speak on it better than anyone, but Dan Quinn,
I guess you'd say he's on the hot seat. I
mean they also filed their line coach, Bobby Johnson day
Quinn's five he's five hundred right now as the head
coach of the Commandos, and he only had a sort
of quarterback for seven games this season. I kind of
(32:57):
look at it and think, like, did you really need
to make all these changes or was there not a
bunch of injuries.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
And things that played a part? Like do you think
this is necessary? LeVar? I don't.
Speaker 4 (33:09):
I don't think it's necessary because it's only his second
second season and like you said, Jaydeon Daniels was injured
for much of it, So I don't think it required
or that was basically necessary. But I would also say,
didn't we just have the same conversation that is applied
(33:29):
to our ball earlier in the show. It's like, when
you don't have success, there has to be someone that's
made the fall guy. And if you don't make somebody
else or something the fall guy for your self preservation,
then it's going to be you. It could have easily
been dan Quinn that was getting relieved of his duties
(33:50):
versus these these other people that are taking, you know,
taking the brun of it. So while I sit there
and say I agree, no, I don't think that there's
should have been that drastic of a change. You were
your one year removed from being a game away, and
some would say you were somewhat competitive against the Philadelphia
(34:12):
Eagles as well. You're a game away from the super Bowl,
you have a down year and your best player, who
is the catalyst of your offense and the catalyst of
your team is injured. Like why would you make wholesale
changes like that? No, I don't, but now it makes
it does raise the question is it different ownership, same old,
(34:38):
same old results.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
Is it the same old movement? People were excited, they
were excited.
Speaker 4 (34:44):
About the new blood, the new energy that that you know,
this this new ownership group has brought to the team.
But does this seemingly this season, what's going on now
with the dismissal and leaving of coaches, Does this now
put things back? You know, maybe it's reality, reality is
(35:07):
setting back in that maybe it's the same old team,
different name, different ownership.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
But the same old team.
Speaker 6 (35:13):
It's just I don't get it. I'm sorry, Like I
didn't understand you know, when the Texans fired Bobby Slowick
a year after you know, hey, the c. J. Stroud
had that incredible rookie season. I didn't get that one.
And they've been able to overcome that, but I would
argue that, you know, maybe he hasn't looked the same
since that rookie season. I don't understand this one. I
(35:35):
don't know how you're not looking at this in totality
and realizing, well, you know, Austin Eckler got hurt, all
these other issues that popped up, like there's you know,
like that's outside of their control really, and yet for
some reason, this is the movie you make like it
just it feels a bit drastic. And you know, there
(35:55):
was some reports that Dan Quinn, you know, wanted to
lean on the run game war and that, but you
know there was a disagreement potentially between him and Cliff
Kingsbury on that regard. And it feels like Cliff Kingsbury
is a guy who's going to not be out of
work for very long, and it's another one of these
if he's that appealing to somebody else that he's going
(36:18):
to get a job almost instantaneously. Then why wasn't he
appealing to you and he was in your building?
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Speaker 2 (37:46):
There are some good things that happen, and there's some bad,
and then there's some downright ugly things. It's time for good,
bad and lovely.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
All right, Patty speaks, who's got what? All right?
Speaker 8 (37:59):
Tell you we got good in the bad the ugly,
We're gonna go the good. There, Sheriffs, Sheriff Quinn, you
are the good.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
Why are we doing this whole sheriff bit?
Speaker 4 (38:09):
Like?
Speaker 3 (38:09):
What is what?
Speaker 4 (38:10):
Because he's the okay.
Speaker 3 (38:17):
Cowboy? All right? Uh? This is actually better than good.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
This is great, and that is that we have the playoffs,
Baby NFL playoffs coming up this week.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
More football, some new.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
Blood in the mix too, you know, could the Jaguars
mix it up?
Speaker 3 (38:32):
Obviously, Denver's gotta buy it.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
But the Broncos, I mean, the AFC's playoff pictures looking
a little bit different these days. And then for I
guess we're called the old Wiley Sheriff Aaron Rodgers. The
Steelers win and they got in. Now can they go
on a run or is this Josh Allen's year to
make it through? Let's just call it a little easier
a f C playoff picture. But I can't wait for
(38:54):
the playoffs. I know I talked a lot of AFC.
There's some good NFC stuff going on too, but she
can't wait for the playoffs?
Speaker 8 (39:00):
All right? A lock that will share it share? If not,
you're a come on, come on man, what you get?
Speaker 6 (39:07):
There's a lot uh to pick when it comes to
the bad from week eighteen, Uh, there's just bad teams
that were pretty much mailing it in Clayton. Tune was
given the start by the Packers and then a few
days later they're like that's a wrap. Have fun, buddy,
We're gonna go ahead and sign Desmond Ritter up from
the practice squad. But I want to focus on the
AFC West. There were no offensive touchdowns scored in Week
(39:30):
eighteen by anybody in the AFC West. They all played
each other, the Broncos, the Chargers, the Raiders, the Chiefs.
Not one offensive touchdown was scored by anybody in that division.
It's been a lackluster, underwhelming year. Yet for some reason,
two of those teams are in the postseason and one
(39:53):
of them is playing this weekend. So my bad for
the week was the offensive performances from all teams in
the AFC West.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
Right, unlock that lock that a lot. Well, well sarefore
you get the brother Well, let me go ahead.
Speaker 4 (40:06):
And take a little bit of a shout at this one.
Here be FERRONI cowboy. Uh, I'm going with the transfer
portal as my ugly for the week. I just think
that that it can't end well for so many of
these young athletes in this being in this scenario, and
I think there are bigger conversations that are ensuing. I
(40:31):
think there's more information that is kind of surfacing that's
given a little bit more context to some of the
people that are entering into.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
The transfer portal.
Speaker 4 (40:41):
Maybe some of it isn't necessarily them looking for more,
it's that they don't have a choice. I think it's
kind of ugly. I think it's ugly where where things
are heading and and kind of how it feels I'm
currently with.
Speaker 3 (40:59):
This trans it's for a portal. I feel like that's
that's my ugly for the week. You don't like the
portal party.
Speaker 4 (41:05):
Hey, listen, man, I've always a portal portal, not only
you know, and some of these these cases, the amount
of it, I don't, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (41:17):
I do not like it. I do not like it ugly.
It's kind of ugly.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
It is ugly, so we'll probably gets ugly. There's got
to be some ugly conversations. Did you see how arch
Manning's roommate is transferring? I believe the Oklahoma and he's
had a good year. It was just a matter of
they basically said, like, hey, you're probably not gonna play much.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
We're gonna healthy. We got some portal guys coming in.
That's a rap.
Speaker 6 (41:43):
That's a rap. Yeah, don't you know what though? What
Playoff is back tomorrow. No more of this stuff, no
more of these shenanigans. Now you just focus on the games.
Speaker 4 (41:53):
Well, and we got another hour, we got a third
hour to co so there's that. That's a beautiful an hour,
three
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Speaker 3 (00:37):
In the air.
Speaker 4 (00:38):
Everybody hears this song. Now, that's why I haven't changed it. Yeah,
I gotta get mine done.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Got to get it changed. What do you mean everyone
hears it?
Speaker 4 (00:48):
See you don't watch the games all like that. Well,
when you watch the games, you'll hear this.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
I hear that song.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
I'm telling you, Like before every kickoff, like after a
score or something like that, you'll hear this. This is
the one, just the one they play. I like, there
it is right there. I want to say it to
the guys tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
There it is.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Every week I'm not. I don't even want this to
come off in anyway. There we go typically don't have
the volume up on the TVs.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Or reason or or you're calling it.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Well I'm not doing that many but well I just
it's it's tough. You got five young kids in the house.
You know, they don't want to theyn't want to hear that.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
Oh so I'm just messing anyway. But the interesting thing
is is I do be I hear it like like
multiple games.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
From a show. I thought that was from Is it Scandal?
What was the name of the show? Oh, I don't know,
is it Patrick Macy or something like that. The first
time I ever heard this was what's that guy's name?
I was doing, you know, my my daughter's team, the
Oregon Ducks. That's when I heard the songs like this
is this song kind of hypes me up? Like I'm
(01:55):
kind of like I don't want to get hype, But
am I getting.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Hype right now? Like I'm feel like I'm this is
getting me William h.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Spacey, I was not even close from Shameless, Shameless, thank you?
I think that that songs and Shameless It's a good show.
I didn't finish it. It was a good show, yeah,
little redundant.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Do you have to finish a show for it to
be a good show. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
I didn't finish Homeland, and I thought Homeland was a
good show. I have yet to finish Homeland. Did they
did it finish?
Speaker 5 (02:27):
Like?
Speaker 4 (02:28):
Was there a conclusion to Homeland? I don't know how many.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Students a ton. I think a good show, I will
watch again and again.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
I'll have it playing in the background when I'm not
even watching it, you know, and I definitely finish it.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Okay, So a good show in your mind, you have
to finish, you have to do you have to finish
the series.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
I don't feel like you have to finish a series
for it to be a good show.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Okay. How about do you have to see every episode?
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Like like Seinfeld was around in an era where you
didn't have the ability, it's necessarily like tape it and
come back and watch like by like DVDs and stuff.
So do you at least have to watch every episode?
Speaker 3 (03:07):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (03:07):
I don't never seen a full episode of Seinfeld ever once, But.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
It's not that's not your humor. How about Breaking Bad?
Have you gy seen Breaking Bad?
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Yes? Yeah? Now show like that, you have to make
it to the Yeah, I finished. We got to make it.
It was physically ill. It got a little depressing. Yeah,
I was physically ill.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
I was upset for like a couple of days after
I finished it, and I binge watched it. I've been
watched I binged it, like I think I took like
three days to watch it.
Speaker 6 (03:38):
Game Game of Thrones, I've watched that multiple times. It's
just it's it's too long. I did it once. I'm good.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
I don't need to go back and watch.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
I could go watch Game of Thrones today. I could
go watch House and Dragons this first day.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
I know what episodes dang, well, you're talking.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
About Kyle Drogo, Drago, the Darth Rockey, the trackies, well
about Stranger Things Jonas, Oh here he goes.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Yeah, I watched it definitely. Oh yeah, I finished the
last season. Five came out.
Speaker 6 (04:15):
Yeah, the last episode came out.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Anything don't so I watched the first three.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
I was starting to crack open, like I'm one of
the I have to be a d bag and do
like if I'm doing cardio, I can't like not do
something else if I'm doing cardio. So now I have
to like put on a show or something, and so
like IM, that's what I'm watching. And I realized I
must have missed all season four.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
So I've never watched one second of it.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
It's kind of sci fi. You have to be in
the sci fi. I like sci fi.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
I've just never I always thought Stranger Things was a
kid's movie.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Well it's what they do. And I told you this.
Speaker 6 (04:51):
It's the The brilliant part about it is it's a
kid show, but it takes place back then, so parents
can look back, go I remember that, look, I remember.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
It's like Little Mermaid. It's it's very relatable, like Little Marmade.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
Daddy was a hoe, had a whole bunch of shorties,
different different, different ethnic background. I got a whole bunch
of kids, a whole bunch of daughters. One was more
special than the rest of them. She wanted what she
couldn't have, but she was spoiled, so she went and got.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
It, you know what I mean. Like he he was,
he was the same Mermaid, Little Mermaid. Yeah, he animated
or the live action, the original, It doesn't matter the original,
it doesn't matter.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
There's there is always adult context connected to Disney movies.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Well that's true. I mean, it just is what it is. Brady.
I'll just say this, no spoiler on Stranger Things. Oh,
here we go. You're you're a gee be on the
lookout for the forcing of something woke to the show
that was told. Oh already that's season four. I already.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
I'm already like really like do we need to hammer?
I don't want to get into it. Man, everything's so forced,
is sating?
Speaker 4 (06:05):
Oh I know what you're doing. Okay, all right, okay,
twenty twenty six. I got you agendas, Yeah, yeah, I
got you.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
It's like thought, we just have a fun story that
doesn't have to.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
Like yeah, like kind of like, you know, to introduce
you to that world.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Got it.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
No, it's not even to introduce you to it. It's
just like because that's always been the case. But like
in some in some plots, things are really forced.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Interesting. It's like it comes out of nowhere. There's no
justification for it.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
It doesn't tie into it, and you're just going, okay
into a kid, just as someone's got a got literally.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Nothing to do with any anything.
Speaker 6 (06:44):
Yeah, and for whatever reason, they got to make sure
we dotted that I and cross that te.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
So that we're literally got that ie across that tea.
Speaker 6 (06:53):
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want to hear somebody who's got no self awareness whatsoever,
get a whiff. Jimmy Haslam, the owner of the Cleveland Browns.
When there was some discussion about whether or not Andrew Berry,
current GM and now former head coach Kevin Stefanski could
get along, some of you said this.
Speaker 5 (07:35):
Is a dysfunctional building. I'd take a huge exception of that.
The two of them work just like this, okay, and
they talk all the time. Their offices are basically next
door to each other. I mean, is there tension in
the building, of course, I mean there's this is a
hard business and there's lots of stuff going on. But
the two of them work together extremely well, extremely well.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
Started.
Speaker 5 (07:59):
I can't and on that one thing, Tony. But if
anybody says this is dysfunctional, well though two of them
did not work well, but that's dead wrong.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Now.
Speaker 6 (08:07):
The question that was being asked was why would Kevin
Stefanski be surprised that Joe Flacco was traded in the
division in the middle of the year.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
By the way, how many times does that happen? It's crazy,
It's great.
Speaker 6 (08:23):
That's why Mike Tomlin was so outspoken about it, because
he's like, look, man, why would you do that? Yeah,
like Stefanski's a buddy of his and Stefanski it's it's
the most If you go back and listen to Stefanski
after that came out, it's the most frustrated I'd ever
heard him in Cleveland. I'd never heard him get frustrated,
be impatient anything with the media, even with all the
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shoot or crap that he was dealing with that Joe
Flacco trade. I was the most frustrated he sounded because
he was like, what are we doing?
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Like, what is happening here?
Speaker 1 (08:57):
I find it fascinating you have an owner who's taken
over as the majority owner back in October of twenty twelve. Okay,
in that time, they've fired seven coaches. The list of coaches.
Pat Shermer, Robchazinsky only got one year, and and I
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guess in Jimmy Haslm's defense, he inherited Pat Shermer, but
Rozency only got one year.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
That was his first hire, a guy who like bled.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Sweat everything for the Browns, you know, from that like
northern part of Ohio, and had been there with me
as an oc. He loved everything about that place, and
only gave him a year. Hire's Mike Petton, he gets
two years, he gets fired. Hire's Hugh Jackson, he gets
three years. We'll get into that. He gets fired, Greg Williams,
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he steps in for half a season, whatever it was,
he gets fired. Freddy Kitchens one season, one and done.
He's fired. At least Kevin Stefans got more time, But
a lot of that was because when he first got there,
he wins the a PNFL Coach of the Year and
they end up going to the playoffs at eleven and five.
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Next year got rid of Mayfield after they when a
nine missed the playoffs. Remember Mayfield's playing banged up, can't
figure out a long term contract. Whatever rift happened, happened.
You know, they bring in Watson, they'll go seven to ten.
Then Watson gets hurt and Flaker comes in twenty twenty three,
another playoff year, but comes in as their fourth quarterback
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that season. Stefanski once again wins Coach of the Year
three and fourteen, five and twelve. So there's your track
record of him as an owner. And I think in
that timeframe, if it's not the most coaches who have
been hired and fired, it's got to be top three
in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
I don't know about you, guys. Does that sound like dysfunction?
Kind of okay? I was like, you can't make up
your mind? And then let me help people understand too.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
What happens when you don't have like a clean sweep
between the front office and a head coach. Typically it's
because one of those guys has the ear of the owner.
And in this case, Andrew Berry, who survived and Kevin Stevanski,
who they've moved on from, clearly has the ear of
Jimmy Haslm. Because this is Andrew Berry's tenure with the
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Cleveland Browns. He had originally started there back in twenty sixteen.
I think he was like the vice president of something
or whatever, but high up in the front office.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
And during that period of time he was a part
of group and.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
A brain trust that came up with the idea to
tank in essence to be able to get top line
players like a Baker Mayfield, like a Miles Garrett. So
you could say from that perspective it was successful to
a degree, right, Miles gear just set the single season
sack record. But during Barry's initial stint, they go one
to fifteen, oh to sixteen, seven to eight.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
And one he leaves to go to the Eagles.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
He comes back in twenty twenty, so he's been gone
for a couple of years. He inherits basically a ross
that I guess you'd say they helped kind of put
together because they stunk so bad, ended up kneecapping Hugh Jackson, Right,
I remember that whole debacle.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
So they he comes back in twenty twenty.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Now as the general manager and really a roster that
he didn't build, didn't have much saying, goes to the
playoffs in large part because of Mayfield's play. Stefanski obviously
coached the year his coaching job. All right, So what happens, Well,
the next season they go eight to nine. Mayfield ends
up moving on. They can't figure out a way of
working a long term deal. And you can put that
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on Haslm the regiship with Mayfield, whatever you want, but
Andrews Berry is a part of that. So they couldn't
get the deal done. They ended up bringing Deshaun Watson,
signed him to this ridiculous deal. We've never seen that
much guaranteed money before on a fully guaranteed deal. He
can't stay healthy. They go seven and ten, and then
again we go back to the twenty twenty three season,
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in large part due to you could say luck the
flack was even available by a lot of coaching because
what stefanski Is staff did. And then since that point
they've deteriorated to a three, fourteen, five and twelve team.
And so I look at it and just say, how
the hell is this guy still hired? How is he
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still your general manager? Like, if there's one person in
the building he was immediately gonna.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
Get interviews, it's Kevin Stefanski. And somehow Andrew Berry's safe in.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
All this, Like he wasn't a part of arguably the
worst season the history of the Browns, the worst two
year tenure in twenty sixteen twenty seventy.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
He was a part of that.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
He hasn't been a part of the lack of any
stability that any quarterback had. I don't care if you
want to talk about Watson Shador whoever, and he trades
away Joe Flacco in the division. It's mind boggling to
me that somehow Andrew Barry has survived and there's not
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wanting to be a clean sweep in this whole thing.
So yeah, that sounds like dysfunction to me.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
One playoff win, two playoff appearances in the last decade
at the pro level, that's dysfunctional.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
That's dysfunctional.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
The sun shines on a blind dog's ass once in
its life, that's what that is.
Speaker 5 (14:38):
Like.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
The fact that they made it, in the fact that
they were able to beat the Pittsburgh Steelers in the
wildcard round and get that one singular win, that's what
it spells. And I would say the bigger concern here
is that you have an owner that is actually out
front saying that he takes exception to it and is
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trying to defend what the organization what it currently is.
You know, they say, like when you go to get help.
One of the first things that I took classes on
this in college. You know, that's what I majored in.
So I'm talking some counseling education. You have to acknowledge.
(15:20):
You got to acknowledge what your problem is. You can't
fix what's wrong until you first acknowledge what is wrong.
So the fact that you have an owner that isn't
even able to acknowledge the fact that you have a
dysfunctional organization means that you're destined to continue to repeat
the same shortcomings, the same mistakes that have you in
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a situation that you're currently in. You cannot you cannot
change those circumstances until you actively know what circumstances you're
trying to change. So I don't know if maybe at
night he's looking in the mirror and he's like, yeah,
we are dysfunctional and I need to figure it out,
and that could possibly be what it is. But to me,
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I feel like, in the business of athletics and football,
I feel like being candid, being transparent and to a
certain degree is endearing to your fan base. It is
a breath of fresh air when you hear a person
of his status say it like, yeah, we are a
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little dysfunctional. Are we fully dysfunctional? I would take tremendous
exception to that. I don't think we're fully dysfunctional, but
we're dysfunctional enough where we're getting the results that I
can't argue against you guys asking me or me seeing
reports or hearing about how dysfunctional we are.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
These are things that we have to address to me.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
If he came out and got out front of it
in that way, I think that goes a much further
way versus the idea of you putting it out there.
You take tremendous exception to the fact that there's dysfunction
within the building and that the GM and the hey
coach didn't get along and all those You're you're defending
(17:12):
the wrong discussion points anyway, if you.
Speaker 6 (17:15):
Ask me, I mean, yeah, So basically, no self awareness,
like he's not aware enough to realize I got a problem,
like this is a real issue. And look, it's not
to say that maybe he's embarrassed. You know, he could
It's fine, he could be aware. He just might be
embarrassed to say that that's what it is.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
So walk. Sometimes ego can get in the way of
things as well, all right, So I don't care how
big your ego is.
Speaker 6 (17:36):
If you've got a skid mark on your backside, at
a certain point, you got to take your trousers off, okay,
like you just got to change pants. And he's walking
around with his skid mark from his shoulder blades to
his ass and he's looking around going, oh, what do
you mean, what's the problem, dude? It's not teams wif
on trades all the time. It happens like nobody's perfect.
(17:57):
Look at the forty nine ers, I mean the Trey
Lance deal. They give it what three first round picks,
Like the Brandon Ayuke deal. Like, Yeah, teams can make mistakes, understood,
But it's the teams that are able to overcome them
that you're you don't really look at them and judge
them differently. The Broncos the Russell Wilson trade man that
didn't work out at all. That was a full blown
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with Look at the Broncos. Now they got the one
seed in the playoffs. The Niners almost had the one
seed in the NFC. And those are trades that happen.
They have nobody and those are trades that happened not
that long ago with the Browns and Jimmy has them.
There's multiple examples of stuff they've done where you're like, why, why,
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what are you doing? You got Baker Mayfield, who's flourished
in Tampa Bay, whatever you think of it.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
You know, he was banged up this year. He was
in the building that was yours. You let him walk.
Speaker 6 (18:52):
Kevin Stefanski's going to get hired somewhere as a two
time coach of the Year. You let him walk. It's
just time after time after time. The Sean Watson fiasco,
so him looking around and going, well, what's the problem you?
Speaker 3 (19:05):
What do you mean?
Speaker 4 (19:06):
Man?
Speaker 3 (19:09):
I really don't get this is like Winny Johnson crazy.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
And even the Watson deal in retrospect like that has
not gotten him. I mean not that he cares about
what owners think or feel about him. Have we seen
someone have anywhere close to that deal since? No, No,
And because it's failed miserably, Like you know, kudos to
the agent, kudos to the player. But on the flip
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side of that, you're you're never gonna see another player
get that offer opportunity again because it's blown up. It
hasn't worked out like and that's that's another staining again.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
If you want to put on Jimmy Hasselm, so be it.
But Andrew Berry is a part of that too.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
So it's just it's crazy to me that you can
look in the mirror and say, oh, this isn't dysfunctional yet.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
It is yet. It is like you can't have this
sort of string of zero.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Six sss and then these outlier years with a coach
who's kind of guided you through in a locker room
that you know is able to make make their way,
playing with multiple quarterbacks and find success still and.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Then sit there and say, oh, a general manager.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
It's like once the season starts, it's more like coaching
staff than anything else.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Some agms that can come in and help.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
But I know a lot of people are critical of
Joe Shane, you know, remaining with the New York Giants
and that the ten years.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Since he's been in there and all that. And you
can give Joe Shane a lot of flack for not
signing back Saquon. That's justified.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
That's really how he handled Daniel Jones slash Saquon, how
that whole thing should have went down. But when it
comes down to it, there's still some building black pieces
on that team, and he's not coaching once the season starts.
He's not down there calling plays, making adjustments.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
So I don't know.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
I've always find it interesting that in some instances we're
willing to sit there and I kind of point the
finger at someone else who as a coach.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
The guy is going to be a head coach.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
If he wants next season, you just let go of
a guy who's a two time coach. There how many
guys how many active head coaches right now are multiple
time APNFL.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
Coach of the Years.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
It's not too many. Yeah, I can't off the top
of my head. I'm only thinking. Hey, the fact that
before we even got going with the season, Brady Quinn says,
it's the Cleveland Browns Shador Sanders will play, and they
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gave me the information on how many quarterbacks? Was it
what six in one year that played? I believe was
the number that was given.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Oh, this year, Yeah, that might be right.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
Say it was one of the years. I'm not sure
if it was this year, but and it could have
been this year.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
I don't this year they had at least four than five.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
If that, if I'm asking you, if you're rebuttaling you,
you take tremendous exception to the fact that this is
a dysfunctional organization.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
The first rebuttal I would.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
Have is, sir, do you realize that you have a
fifth round draft pick starting your your team at the
end of the season over a third round draft pick
and two free agents that you brought in to play
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and one of those was traded to a divisional opponent.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
It's like, it's like, hey, I'm by the way, yeah,
only three starters?
Speaker 4 (22:40):
Only three d it was last year it was either
less because the season hadn't started, you ha cited. It
was one of the seasons that it was like at
least six quarterbacks played started or played for the Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
I think it was six, I'm pretty certain.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
And for all those Browns fans that are up at
about the manner in which I'm taking this or or
what I'm saying, I did pick them with the Super
Bowl or they go to the super Bowl like two
years and you did, Yeah I did, you did, And
obviously that was well off. So y'all can be upset
all you want, But I've been in this corner for
a long time as a childhood fan as a player,
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which you know it was different ownership back then. And
this is the one thing I've always said like about
Jimmy Haslm is he's got deep pockets and he's willing
to spend and so as much as there is dysfunction,
like he still has the capabilities of turning this thing around.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
Now you want to talk about the Raiders.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
The Raiders are a whole different conversation and we can
talk about that tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
Or there's some others. But like again, I think the
Giants have money.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
There's other organizations where they don't have to necessarily go
out to raise capital or bring in limited partners to
get cash to then spend and turn this thing around.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Like Jimmy Haslm has money and he's willing to spend it.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
We saw with the Miles Garrett Conchact, all the other
players contracts, Watson we mentioned, So that is the one
optimistic approach outside of we were drafting.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
But also you have an ownerve that's willing to spend
that money.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
He's not just trying to hold it all and make
a profit and take a bunch of money off the table.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
I just think you got to change the name in
order to change the direction of the franchise.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Just start there. What are you going with? Start there?
You you skit mark.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
If you got the skit mark on your trousers and
you're not going to take them off.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
Then that's on you. I mean.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
And the fact that they've been the diapers high whatever
it is you went down that lane.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Jonas had a close call with some dairy. That's why
he brings that up recently. What do you mean is
he because he has those real life experiences where he's
lactose intolerant.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
Of army too, and he'll hit me up and be like, yep,
almost happened. Hey, by the way, almost happen.
Speaker 6 (24:51):
Let's not Let's not act like you don't also fall
victim to that in the in the last couple of years.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
All right, Brady is charge. I turned four and all
of a sudden, a lot of things change.
Speaker 6 (25:01):
Freaks realize slowly that milkshake fetish that lands differently past
forty Dad.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
That's good, all right. We had a long drive home.
I can sit well. I had that happen yesterday at
the barbershop. I was like, yeah, just wait till I
get home. Always always wait, do you guys happen to
have a restaurroom? It's the worst one. You got to
take a long time before you come out, Like if
(25:30):
you could be quick with your your you know, entry
and departure, it's yeah, but when you when you're at
an away game and you're in there for too long
a year.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Everyone knows there's no escaping man.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
And then the worst is when somebody doesn't give it
that that grace period before they go in there. Oh no,
and you got to sit there and you're like looking
around like why you're gonna go in there?
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Why why would you go in there?
Speaker 4 (25:57):
And then the one time I don't have a lighter
with me, or they don't have a lighter in the bathroom,
but they have like incense or something like that that
could be lit.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
I don't have a lighter. It was bad I had
or does it have to be a match? It needed to.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
Be something that I could light something with fire in
order to take away knock down some of the arrogance
that came out of me.
Speaker 6 (26:22):
Yeah, the problem is if there's a smoke alarm in there,
then no, that wouldn't have been that much smoke.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
It just would have been like a little.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
Yeah, not like that. That's a little extreme. That's a
little extreme. The crazy thing is when I saw it,
I was like, would I do it? Like, Nah, I
would choke. I would choke. That's too much. That was
too much. Yeah, all right, so it's too much. So
diapers know for a team name for the Browns, what
about the Steamers. I just think you got to change Browns.
(26:52):
I think you've already you're you've already set yourself back
by I want a Steamer be at this point, and
you're and your franchises like when when the when the
Mayflowers left, when they came back, they brought them back, Like,
think about it, You went from the Browns to the Ravens.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
It pays homage obviously to their you know, legendary first
coach Paul Brown.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
Yeah, I get it, you know, I get it. But
we're so far away from Paul Brown.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
We're so far away. Yeah, Like changing the name.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Do you know what one of their other options was
that they almost called them what was it, the Cleveland Panthers.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
That I would have no problem with that.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
Now that does have a little bit of conflict because
Pittsburgh has Panthers, and there is a very very long
lasting beef between Ohio and Pennsylvania. So I could see
if y'all didn't go with Panthers. But it sounds better
than Brown's. Yeah, that's all I'll say. So.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
No, No, I believe if the if the story of
the legend is true.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
They had a f contest to pick the name, and
that's what the fans picked. So it is an interesting
thing to bring up because maybe they have the fans.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
Picked well, So here's a problem with that.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
Then don't accuse the owner of being dysfunctional when the
fans are dysfunctional too. Because while I would love to
pay homage to Chuck Knowle, I would never want to
call the Sburg Steelers the Knowles Pittsburgh Knowles. No, I
wouldn't want to do it. Not bad, No, it's not bad.
It's not great, all right, better than Brown's. Yeah, not
(28:33):
a fan of the I knew you had to do it.
You had to do it, not hning you over.
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All right, it's cot up next year.
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A huge fan, huge fan, not so much the mushrooms,
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Not good news, I guess, depending on how you look
at it. Cliff Kingsbury is out as offensive coordinator in Washington.
(31:56):
That's a rap on his time with the Commanders. Seem
like wasn't that long ago he was getting some love.
Is potentially going to be a head coach again based
on his Jaden Daniels experience with the rookie year and
apparently that'll be that for him. Also a defensive coordinator,
Joe Witt Junior is out. It just feels like it's
(32:19):
a far cry from the conversations we were having about
the Commanders just a year ago. Now. We were talking
about this team making a run. They want a playoff game.
Then they won another one and upset the Lions, and
now less than a year later, they're looking for coordinators
kind of wild.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
It leads or lends itself, and LeVar, I think you
could speak on it better than anyone, but Dan Quinn,
I guess you'd say he's on the hot seat. I
mean they also filed their line coach, Bobby Johnson day
Quinn's five he's five hundred right now as the head
coach of the Commandos, and he only had a sort
of quarterback for seven games this season. I kind of
(32:57):
look at it and think, like, did you really need
to make all these changes or was there not a
bunch of injuries.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
And things that played a part? Like do you think
this is necessary? LeVar? I don't.
Speaker 4 (33:09):
I don't think it's necessary because it's only his second
second season and like you said, Jaydeon Daniels was injured
for much of it, So I don't think it required
or that was basically necessary. But I would also say,
didn't we just have the same conversation that is applied
(33:29):
to our ball earlier in the show. It's like, when
you don't have success, there has to be someone that's
made the fall guy. And if you don't make somebody
else or something the fall guy for your self preservation,
then it's going to be you. It could have easily
been dan Quinn that was getting relieved of his duties
(33:50):
versus these these other people that are taking, you know,
taking the brun of it. So while I sit there
and say I agree, no, I don't think that there's
should have been that drastic of a change. You were
your one year removed from being a game away, and
some would say you were somewhat competitive against the Philadelphia
(34:12):
Eagles as well. You're a game away from the super Bowl,
you have a down year and your best player, who
is the catalyst of your offense and the catalyst of
your team is injured. Like why would you make wholesale
changes like that? No, I don't, but now it makes
it does raise the question is it different ownership, same old,
(34:38):
same old results.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
Is it the same old movement? People were excited, they
were excited.
Speaker 4 (34:44):
About the new blood, the new energy that that you know,
this this new ownership group has brought to the team.
But does this seemingly this season, what's going on now
with the dismissal and leaving of coaches, Does this now
put things back? You know, maybe it's reality, reality is
(35:07):
setting back in that maybe it's the same old team,
different name, different ownership.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
But the same old team.
Speaker 6 (35:13):
It's just I don't get it. I'm sorry, Like I
didn't understand you know, when the Texans fired Bobby Slowick
a year after you know, hey, the c. J. Stroud
had that incredible rookie season. I didn't get that one.
And they've been able to overcome that, but I would
argue that, you know, maybe he hasn't looked the same
since that rookie season. I don't understand this one. I
(35:35):
don't know how you're not looking at this in totality
and realizing, well, you know, Austin Eckler got hurt, all
these other issues that popped up, like there's you know,
like that's outside of their control really, and yet for
some reason, this is the movie you make like it
just it feels a bit drastic. And you know, there
(35:55):
was some reports that Dan Quinn, you know, wanted to
lean on the run game war and that, but you
know there was a disagreement potentially between him and Cliff
Kingsbury on that regard. And it feels like Cliff Kingsbury
is a guy who's going to not be out of
work for very long, and it's another one of these
if he's that appealing to somebody else that he's going
(36:18):
to get a job almost instantaneously. Then why wasn't he
appealing to you and he was in your building?
Speaker 3 (36:26):
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Speaker 6 (36:47):
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Up at the top of your screen.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
There are some good things that happen, and there's some bad,
and then there's some downright ugly things. It's time for good,
bad and lovely.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
All right, Patty speaks, who's got what? All right?
Speaker 8 (37:59):
Tell you we got good in the bad the ugly,
We're gonna go the good. There, Sheriffs, Sheriff Quinn, you
are the good.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
Why are we doing this whole sheriff bit?
Speaker 4 (38:09):
Like?
Speaker 3 (38:09):
What is what?
Speaker 4 (38:10):
Because he's the okay.
Speaker 3 (38:17):
Cowboy? All right? Uh? This is actually better than good.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
This is great, and that is that we have the playoffs,
Baby NFL playoffs coming up this week.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
More football, some new.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
Blood in the mix too, you know, could the Jaguars
mix it up?
Speaker 3 (38:32):
Obviously, Denver's gotta buy it.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
But the Broncos, I mean, the AFC's playoff pictures looking
a little bit different these days. And then for I
guess we're called the old Wiley Sheriff Aaron Rodgers. The
Steelers win and they got in. Now can they go
on a run or is this Josh Allen's year to
make it through? Let's just call it a little easier
a f C playoff picture. But I can't wait for
(38:54):
the playoffs. I know I talked a lot of AFC.
There's some good NFC stuff going on too, but she
can't wait for the playoffs?
Speaker 8 (39:00):
All right? A lock that will share it share? If not,
you're a come on, come on man, what you get?
Speaker 6 (39:07):
There's a lot uh to pick when it comes to
the bad from week eighteen, Uh, there's just bad teams
that were pretty much mailing it in Clayton. Tune was
given the start by the Packers and then a few
days later they're like that's a wrap. Have fun, buddy,
We're gonna go ahead and sign Desmond Ritter up from
the practice squad. But I want to focus on the
AFC West. There were no offensive touchdowns scored in Week
(39:30):
eighteen by anybody in the AFC West. They all played
each other, the Broncos, the Chargers, the Raiders, the Chiefs.
Not one offensive touchdown was scored by anybody in that division.
It's been a lackluster, underwhelming year. Yet for some reason,
two of those teams are in the postseason and one
(39:53):
of them is playing this weekend. So my bad for
the week was the offensive performances from all teams in
the AFC West.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
Right, unlock that lock that a lot. Well, well sarefore
you get the brother Well, let me go ahead.
Speaker 4 (40:06):
And take a little bit of a shout at this one.
Here be FERRONI cowboy. Uh, I'm going with the transfer
portal as my ugly for the week. I just think
that that it can't end well for so many of
these young athletes in this being in this scenario, and
I think there are bigger conversations that are ensuing. I
(40:31):
think there's more information that is kind of surfacing that's
given a little bit more context to some of the
people that are entering into.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
The transfer portal.
Speaker 4 (40:41):
Maybe some of it isn't necessarily them looking for more,
it's that they don't have a choice. I think it's
kind of ugly. I think it's ugly where where things
are heading and and kind of how it feels I'm
currently with.
Speaker 3 (40:59):
This trans it's for a portal. I feel like that's
that's my ugly for the week. You don't like the
portal party.
Speaker 4 (41:05):
Hey, listen, man, I've always a portal portal, not only
you know, and some of these these cases, the amount
of it, I don't, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (41:17):
I do not like it. I do not like it ugly.
It's kind of ugly.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
It is ugly, so we'll probably gets ugly. There's got
to be some ugly conversations. Did you see how arch
Manning's roommate is transferring? I believe the Oklahoma and he's
had a good year. It was just a matter of
they basically said, like, hey, you're probably not gonna play much.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
We're gonna healthy. We got some portal guys coming in.
That's a rap.
Speaker 6 (41:43):
That's a rap. Yeah, don't you know what though? What
Playoff is back tomorrow. No more of this stuff, no
more of these shenanigans. Now you just focus on the games.
Speaker 4 (41:53):
Well, and we got another hour, we got a third
hour to co so there's that. That's a beautiful an hour,
three
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