August 17, 2026 • 50 mins
On this episode of 2 Pros & A Cup Of Joe, Brady Quinn & LaVar Arrington discuss Dan Campbell wanting monitors on the field at games. Plus, the guys talk about Jaxson Dart puzzled by concussion tests again, 5th year eligibility relating to NFL rookie getting cut, and more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, thanks for listening to the Two Pros and a
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Speaker 2 (00:27):
This you're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Probably should have
switched this up knowing it was just you.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
And me today, but it's all good. Jonas will be
back over at some point. If not, we'll make sure
to switch it up. But this is two Pros. There's
no Cup of Joe. He's gone. He's out of here.
I think you watched his cubs get stomped last night,
so he's decided not to show up, all right. He's
been talking a lot about the NFL preseason Week one,
(00:55):
wrapping up with some of our Monday morning knee jerk reactions,
just prepping ourselves our preseason two for the regular season
after Week one, so we figured why not go ahead
and throw this in the mix too, seeing a lot
of guys play who may not get their number called
until an injury occurs or the season goes by the wayside.
The first team that comes to mind is the La Rams,
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and looking at the night that ty Simpson had was
super efficient, played very well, executed exactly. Yes, he was
asked to do a lot of people trying to kind
of cameind came away doing a victory lab, which I
thought was interesting for a couple of reasons. There were
a number of people who were high on Ty Simpson.
(01:39):
I'm not sure where this whole narrative came about. Where
people weren't, I don't know, excited for him, optimistic for
what he could be at the NFL level.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
I've never really heard where that was.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
But they used this moment Simpson, who went twenty one
for twenty five hundred ninet yards and two touchdowns versus
the Kansas City Chiefs in Arrowhead. They use this moment
to kind of justify their belief in what he was
as a draft.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Pick for the Rams.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
So I'm not really sure what to take from that,
but it does feel like there's a reaction that the
Rams do have their quarterback for the future. After just
one preseason game, that of which involved a lot of
bootlegs to the right, probably five to six completions off
of that, which you know, if you played quarterback, you
know that's about as easy as it gets on you.
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There's not much of a read there. It's a pretty
simple throw, rolling to your right, running to your right.
But did the Rams do they have their guy for
the days after Matthew Stafford retires.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
It's always easy to make the assessment when a guy
plays well after that game. Yes, if he doesn't play
the same exact way in the next game, maybe that opinion,
maybe it changes a little bit. Listen McVeigh is one
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of those offensive, brilliant minds.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
You know.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Obviously he has a staff that is used to to
who he is, and they have really built the rapport
that works for this offense. Matthew Stafford is comfortable in
the offense, and you see Todd Simpson's it's almost like
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it's preseason, but in watching the way that he kind
of diagnoses the plays. Yes, they moved him around. Yes
a lot of the passes were manageable, easier passes. But
isn't that kind of what the league is anymore? I
mean honestly, ce like, yes, you have some guys that
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will go downfield, and yes you do see downfield plays,
you know, but to say that you see that way
more or that's what you're you know, I guess that's
what you're looking for. But what you're really what you're
really seeing is a quarterback's ability to diagnose as quickly
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as possible and then make the decision. Am I going
to my safety valve my next option that isn't downfill
in that danger zone of where all those those you know,
predators are out there like roaming and chumming. I think
that seeing Ty Simpson respect it that way, deliver the
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ball in a way where he can give guys an
opportunity to get yack after to catch definitely serves the
purpose of thinking positively about what his.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
Future could be for the Rams.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
But that can change by the game, and it certainly
can change if he does play well enough in these
moments where he is setting in motion to be the
replacement the air.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
Parent to to Matthew.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Stafford, I thought what he did was he checked all
the boxes for the things that you were looking for
for a guy that was taken in the first round,
that's thought to be the heir apparent to Matthew Stafford,
and the way he went about doing it.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
I mean, he was.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Accurate with the football, he worked through his progressions. You
could visibly see it, the way he moved through when
it was in the pocket. I thought he didn't put
the ball in harm's way, which some people said if
there was a knock on him coming out in the
draft outside of experience and just overall starting experience and playing,
it would have been that that at times he made
some risky throws or put the ball in harm's way,
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which again I kind of came back to defending him.
He didn't have much of a run game. That wasn't
Nick Saban's Alabama defense, So there was times when he
had to take chances or take a risk with a
throw that was in a tight window that was going
to be putting the ball in harms way. Otherwise Obama
probably wasn't coming back. They probably weren't winning those games.
So in his defense, you know, some of that narrative
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was kind of born out of the fact of what
he didn't have, what he wasn't working with in comparison
to prior you know, Alabama, Nick Saban teams, and it's
kind of a different era. With Kaitlyn de Bore, He's
going to throw the football a lot more then Nick
Saban would allow his coordinators to. Back in the day,
you know, they had a much more balanced offensive attack.
They eventually grew to be more spread, and I think
you saw that with Tua Toungue Bailoa. You saw that
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with Bryce Young, but that definitely wasn't the case in
the beginning of Nick Saban's tenure there as head coach
at Alabama. But in regards to Tys Simpson, you know, look,
he's the son of a coach, and there's a thought
too that the way he was going to handle himself
was a very professional manner, and Sean McVay is going
to give him all of the ability to become the
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best he can be at this level because of how
good of a play caller he is and how good
of a coach he is. So early indications, yeah, I
think he set himself up to be the guy to
replace Matt Stafford. But it does feel like it's a
bit over the top for one preseason game, yea, And
we can't make too much of the preseason. Moving on,
to quarterbacks on the other side of the spectrum, Atlanta
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clearly struggled. Patty, do we have the sound from Kevin
Stefan talking about the offense and we've been able to
find that, Lorena, do we have it?
Speaker 3 (07:07):
I will look for it, yeah, Patty, Patty isn't available
to you right now.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Well, we had a conversation of the break. I thought
maybe he was working on that, but.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
He might be.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
I think that's actually what he's working on, right this guy,
well the moment, just veage it out, you know what
I mean, like, let's just vege it.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
What we'll do is we'll talk about the struggle of Atlanta,
who you know, clearly look that they don't really have
Michael Pennix as part of the mix yet. But I
think if you're watching the offense, you're a bit concerned now.
And then granted, Denver's defense is tough.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
They're good. They've got some depth there too.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
But it doesn't matter if it was your guy Cooper Rush,
doesn't matter if it's Jack Strand or even to who
didn't really push the ball down the field. It seemed
like he was really honed in on Kyle Pitts on
almost every single throw there just.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Wasn't a lot there.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
And look, that's the tough part for Kevin Stefanski is
you're trying to can to quarterback competition.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
One of which isn't even in there yet.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
And the other issue is you're instant implementing a new
offense and you're not trying to show too much. I mean,
Kevin Stevanci has been a head coach long enough to
know you don't want to give away a lot of
the stuff you're doing in preseason to let guys see
it come week one.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
And so I'm not gonna make too much of this.
I think we tend to forget.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Like to a tongue of Bayla as a starting quarterback
in the NFL, has actually been pretty damn successful in
regards to his win loss during the course of the
regular season. I believe he's like, I got a forty
four and thirty two win loss record. He's thrown for
over four thousand yards before led the league. In fact,
in twenty twenty three. He's a high completetion percentage guy,
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a completely almost seventy percent of his past.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
In his career.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
So for some reason, we have this narrative just because
he's had a hard time staying healthy, that he's not
going to bring an elevated level of play at the
quarterback spot with his ability to throw the football round.
But I think he'll be just fine. This to me
is a knee jerk overreaction for one preseason game.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Dang well, I'll say this, Atlanta has elements, They have
talent that would make you say, don't panic. Plus the
rest of the NFC South, what does that really look
like for all the teams in it? But with that
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being said, I would say that's a pretty tremendously large
question mark that exists for this football team's this football
team's quarterback position. Q I don't think that there's any
way you can get around it. I mean Cats is
making fun of Tua and warm ups, He's doing little
(09:47):
dances while he's throwing. They talking about this is what
nacho cheese looks like after you've had concussions. I mean,
there are so many like little jokes. Oh, it is
like so many jokes going on, and and you know
it just I don't look at this this quarterback situation
as the most positive situation.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
And whether whether Pennix proves out or is able to
stay healthy enough to prove out, or if if tuapproves
out and is able to prove out, I think that
remains to be seen, and that's just something that's going
to have to be proven. I don't think that we're
at a place where you can look at where this
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team is right now and think that.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
You know, even with.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
The coaching staffs change staff staff changing with Stefanski, that
this is going to improve dramatically with his arrival and
with Tua's arrival. I think that's too big of a
question mark. But it's also not so big of a
question mark that it's going to be handled with one
preseason game or one preseason period, right. I think that
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you got to get into the real games before you
start really having an idea what the identity of this
Atlanta Falcons team is going to be, because I think
there's just there's question marks. I mean, one of your
best players on the defensive side of the ball is
going to be suspended. I mean there's just going to be,
you know, elements that hold this team back from being
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what it could have been if they were at their
full potential.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
I feel like they're in a tough spot.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
I mean This is an organization that moved off for
Raheem Morris after two years. I don't know that they
gave him enough time. They moved off from Arthur Smith
after three years. Neither coach was able to have a
winning record. I mean the Raheem Morris higher. It was
interesting too, because remember they moved on from dan Quinn
and then they let Raheem Morris finish the rest of
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that season I believe what back in twenty twenty, and
so they had experience with him, they bring him back
and then it just doesn't end up really working out.
And so now you give a Keme Stefanski an opportunity.
And it's like the criticism that I see and a
lot of the conversation that I see about it is dragging.
A lot of like, hey, Atlanta fans, we're Browns fans,
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welcome to the Stefanski offense. And it's like people tend
to forget like they have had their moments. They didn't
have their moments with Stefanski and Cleveland for an organization
that's really struggled and appears so far like it may struggle,
and so I just I look at it and I go,
there's just no patience anymore. I mean it's almost like
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when you have a retread hire at head coach, whatever
the baggage was behind them is now carried along with them,
and the fan base is very aware of that. And
if things don't go well, they're basically just gonna say,
all right, we're gonna kick this out of the curb
after a year. I mean, you're gonna Arthur Blank's gonna
find himself in the position. If they're not patient with
some of these coaches and seeing through the process, paying
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multiple coaches.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
And moving on to it.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
If they start allowing this public pressure, this pressure on
the outside to build up, well, it's for fans or
the media, and if they listen too much to what
they're saying just based off one preseason or based off
the decisions of one offseason. So to me, it's a
huge knee jerk reaction. There's a lot of newness there
in Atlanta. I think their best football is ahead of them.
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And on top of that, like let's just give it
some time, Like let's wait till Michael Pennix gets in
the mix. Let's wait till they get to real games
that matter, see who the starter is and go from there,
but the reaction that I got after one preseason game,
It's crazy to me how kind of over at top
it was. And I understand the game didn't look good,
but in my opinion, like, again, give it more time,
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but I've got one more story I want to get to.
And then this starts to do with Jackson Dart who
just seemingly can't seem to stay out of the injury tent.
Lorena or Patty, either of you could you play the
Jackson Darts sound please?
Speaker 5 (13:48):
As far as the blue tent, Like, I really respect
the rules and the thought behind young NFL has of
keeping players healthy and reviewing things, but at the same time, I'm.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Still puzzled by.
Speaker 5 (14:05):
It, just feeling like every time that I get hit,
you know, I just find I find my way in there,
which I'm at times I still try to wrap my
head around. But that's all that I'm going to say
about that situation. You know, I'm really happy with how
the drive ended.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
So the ATC, the athletic trainer and really the one
that's tasked with viewing for different hits and buzzing down
and saying like, hey, go check this guy out.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
He could have a concussion.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Or he could have some sort of head injury. They're
ultimately that's kind of how the process works. They're responsible
for grabbing a guy or buzzing down if they feel
like someone took a hit that may have resulted in.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
A head injury.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
And the tough thing for guys like Jackson Dart when
you have a rookie year where you went to the
injury tent as often as you did, you were now
subject to always being viewed with more scrutiny anytime you
take a hit. So if you go back and watch
the preseason game, the hit that he took, it wasn't
to the head or neck. It's probably based on the
way he fell to the ground or they felt like
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it was necessary to bring him into the injury tent.
But you know, he's a little bit confused with all
of this. However, I don't know how he can be,
because this comes down to how he's playing. It's how
he played last year as a rookie, and even this year.
He's got to do a better job of protecting himself.
He's got to do a better job of knowing where
pressure is coming from, trying to avoid the pressure, figuring
out ways of getting down when he can and not
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taking on an unnecessary collision because if he does, he's
going to be thrust it right back in that injury
tent to be evaluated, and any symptoms he has, they're
going to be more cautious than they have before because
of his injury history.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
With this.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Am I seeing it the right way?
Speaker 3 (15:40):
Not only are you seeing it the right way, but
he takes time off of his opportunity to be a
franchise quarterback for the team. The more injuries that you get.
I was just telling my son this, you can't get hurt,
and it's like the wowdest thing to say to a person, like,
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don't get hurt, Like, but what do you mean if
you hurt something? You hurt something? Yeah, but no, there's
a difference if if you can't get up off of
the ground and your leg is hanging off or your
fingers hanging off, even if the fingers hanging off, I
take that.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
You can't get hurt.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
It's the sport you chose, it's the profession you chose,
and you have to understand the understanding of availability.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
You cannot be hurt.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
The moment you get labeled an injury prone guy, it's
just like and and listen. This shouldn't be a disparaging
thing to say, but it is in some ways somehow.
I don't know, but if you get labeled a special
teams player, sometimes you cannot outrun or out maneuver the
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label of being a special team teams player. They just
will not find a way to look at you being
anything else. You won't be a linebacker, sorry. You won't
be a receiver. Sorry, you won't be a cornerback. Sorry.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
So you better get used to being.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
A special team specialist because you're not going to get
the looks as a regular defender or a regular offensive player.
And that's the same thing with an injury prone player.
You're never going to get from under being considered to
be an injury prone player. So the franchise is always
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planning and preparing on who is going to be your
replacement at which in point in time when the injury
does happen. Now that it's been confirmed, they're looking at
you even more differently, like, can the person that we're
replacing you with get it done?
Speaker 4 (17:50):
You just don't want to be in that.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Type of situation where every single time something happens, it's
now discussions of it being the end versus it being
just get through the injury and get back on to
the field.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
I also this think this creates a tough spot for
John Harbowie takes over as head coach because, and maybe
this was some of the hesitation from some of the
other head coaching candidates, is this is what you're inheriting.
You're inheriting a player who, albeit very talented, you know,
already has this injury history.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Kind of similar to the Dolphins when they took.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Tua, like they knew what they were buying into once
he became a pro, and so once he had more concussions,
and then how they were going to try to pay
him or how they're going to try to structure that contract,
it became difficult. It's no different than Jackson Dart. Whether
or not that he becomes the Giants' long term answer
at quarterback, there is always going to be a concern
that every time he takes a hit that he's going
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to the injury ten he might have to miss time,
and so you better have a backup that you feel
confident in. Jameis Winston was the backup in this case,
but you better have someone that you feel confident in.
For the entire tenure of his career there as you're
starting quarterback. It's just the life they're going to have
to live right now with the guy who seemingly has
reputation for getting hurt or having these head injuries, and
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whether he likes it or not, it's the job of
a lot of people that are involved, and the NFLPA
has fought hard to make sure they have these protections
for players, so twenty thirty years down the road, players
aren't sitting back wishing that they had more protections over
head injuries and things of this sort. So I can
understand his frustration, but at the same time, it's really
in his hands to control how he goes about playing
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to get the ball out of his hand nowhere he's
going with the football slide when he can get down,
when he can not take the unnecessary hit, and that's
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Speaker 2 (22:22):
So I mentioned it before the break, lock youlight y'all.
That's right. There's there's examples of this.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Now, it seems rather impossible because for many of us
who have lived in the world of you know, football,
we've always heard that once you saw with an agent,
once you're sign on an NFL contract, you know you're done.
You're eligibility at the college level is done. However, there
is an injunction in Colorado with Judge Charlotte Sweeney. It's
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a recent case that occurred in late July, and she
used a preliminary injunction allowing the class of twenty twenty
two high school graduate It's who've exhausted their four years
of eligibility under those old rules to come back and
compete for a fifth season this year.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
So that doesn't.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
It does not apply to us. It does not apply
to us. Although I mean, look, it's you know how
this world works. There'll be someone and you know one
of those old heads is hey, bro, I still got it. Man,
still I got two left?
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Yeah, I still got it. Don't let me get hot,
don't let me get don't let me out there. I'll
show those young cats what I can do there. There
definitely are some people who might want to try to
do that.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
But the point is the NCAA adopted this new age
based model. Generally, it's five years of eligibility starting from
the enrollment or the academic year after turning nineteen. That's
the rule, but it did not make it fully retroactive
for this group.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
So sweety later clarified like.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
In August that injunction does not override the NCAA rules.
So it still includes not allowing guys who have signed
a professional contract returning college. So this is all getting
a little bit murky because there's a ton of parallel
lawsuits as well in Texas, Ohio, Nevada, Tennessee, and elsewhere,
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and it's basically forcing the NCAA world to create more
stricter guidelines because you've already allowed a player named Cole
Hudson who he went undrafted. This past spring, he participated
in rookie mini camps not with one team, but two
with Cleveland and with Dallas, but he never signed an
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NFL contract, So then he filed a lawsuit in Texas
seeking his fifth year. He was able to win that ruling,
and so now he's back at Texas playing.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
For the twenty twenty sixth season.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
So there was a thought now for a lot of
these college football teams whose rosters have a little bit
of one hundred and five that if they have room
and if they have you know, potential prospects of guys
who might not make that team through training camp, that
they could then file an injunction they could then try
to bring them onto their roster.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
I mean, it sounds wild. I don't think any of
this should be possible. It's ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Bro.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
I'm just saying, you might be watching cats who are
playing in a preseason game that somehow get cut and
maybe they're only eligible for the practice squad, and they
somehow find their way making it back to college football.
Who graduated high school in that twenty twenty two years,
don't be shocked.
Speaker 4 (25:33):
It just sounds so unbelievable. It really does.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
And I generally air on the side of support of
anything that gives a young men opportunity to continue their career.
But I would also say, you know, these these FBS
schools there, I believe they're capped off at one hundred
and five players now and they're doing away with walk ons,
(26:02):
and there's so many. The landscape of college football has
changed so much, and the most dramatically impacted by this change,
and my estimation is the high school prospect. The high
school kids, their realities have changed so dramatically and so drastically,
(26:23):
and it shouldn't be that way. I really believe. When
you look at college, college is it's a developmental stage,
it's an educational stage, it's a simulated I'm on my
own but not quite on my own stage and phase
of life. And then you move on. That's what you do.
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And I'm never going to be one to tell a
person to not go after your dreams, chase your dreams
by all means, but in some of these situations, in
some cases is like listen, COVID year kids, if you're
connected to COVID year, I have empathy, I have sympathies,
(27:08):
and I have understanding for what you've gone through, but
as you.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Went through right as a coach.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
As a coach, yes, and I understood, I mean the
complexities of getting through playing a season. We went undefeated too,
but the complexities of playing a season under those conditions
were harsh, to say the least, and it just it
(27:36):
was just very, very different. But I'll say that that
is the one probably element or caveat to all of
this where I'd say I get it. But once that's done,
like which we should be out of that that group.
At this point, it's gotta be four years, five years.
Speaker 4 (27:59):
If it's a it's now going to be five years.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
So if you're getting five years, okay, but at some point,
like you gotta cap it off. If it's five, it's
got to be a hard five. It can't transition anywhere
beyond that. That's just my estimation of it. That's my
opinion of it. It can't be more than five years,
(28:23):
no matter what. Oh, I had a family emergency, you
know what, God bless you and your family, but you
gotta go five years.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
You gotta go.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
And that's like saying you red shirted or gray shirted
or whatever shirt it you want a medical shirt whatever
it is, you get five years if your injuries carry
you beyond that five years. Q, I'm sorry, you got
to try to figure out how to play somewhere else,
in some type of other league where you could try to.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
Keep playing, but you can't play here.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
I just think you got to keep a healthy flow
of athletes student athletes that are coming through your schools.
Otherwise you're creating these log jams that are unnecessary. Kids
out of high school that would normally get an opportunity
to get a roster spot and get a scholarship from
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some of these schools are having to choose otherwise and
go other places and aren't even as highly recruited. It's
very difficult to be recruited highly anymore because there's so
much talent being recruited in the portal. It has replaced.
It has replaced high school recruitment. It's now turned into
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a free agency frenzy. And adding these years to these
guys being able to be eligible only muddies the water more.
Speaker 4 (29:49):
And makes it more complicated.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Well, like I said, don't be shocked though, if the
teams don't find a way in their desperation to win
a national championship at the college level. Uh, grab one
of these these young talented players who's trying to make it.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
In the NFL.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
Education.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
It ain't about oh, let's bring them back till you
could get some more education. We got win, is natty?
Speaker 4 (30:10):
Yeah? Right?
Speaker 1 (30:11):
I think as soon as you went with the five
for five, you said the loud.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
Part, you know, whether they say the quiet part out loud.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Or whatever, and then that's essentially you're not tying it
to getting your degree, right, And typically people were like, well,
I got my degrade five years. But yeah, some people do,
but like you do, you have a freshman, sophomore, junior,
senior year.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
That's why it's labeled that way by and.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Large, whether it's high school to college or college, you
know you're supposed to graduate in four years. And the
idea of the five for five was to do away
with all the different ways in which people were trying
to apply for red shirts, whether it be a medical
red shirt, what it be a hardship, whether it be
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whatever it is, Like it eliminates the process being bogged
down of finding a way to get that fifth year
to apply for it. Now, not every school is the same.
Every school's different, Like how notre dame used to be.
They used to tell you, you're coming here to play
football for four years of eligibility if you are so
lucky enough where you actually have eligibility four or fifth year.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
If you never red shirted.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
Right and you want to apply for that extra year,
or excuse me, if you know did red shirt, you
need to apply for that extra year. If you got injured,
you can then apply for it, but it's not guaranteed
to you, at.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Least not by the university. And that's how it used
to be.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
So when your senior year was up and you were graduating,
you had then to apply to come back, whether it's
for a graduate school or you had to apply for
the additional year and continue your studies. So it wasn't
just a athletic decision based on what happened off the field.
It was also an academic one. And that's what's what's
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interesting about this is that's just kind of out the window.
That's not even a part of how they look at
this anymore. So again, it's gonna be wild. I would
be shocked if you don't see a player or two
try to get picked up, try to file a lawsuit
in whatever state they're at and this is one of
the reasons why you see so many people calling for
federal legislation so it's not on a state by state case.
And obviously this injunction in Colorado created precedent for other
(32:21):
states then to have players who are looking to come
back and play. And that's why there's been other lawsuits
that have been filed, all in the effort to get
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pros and a cup of joe. And we've been talking
about a lot of the knee jerk reactions from the
NFL in the preseason Week one. This isn't a knee
(34:04):
jerk reaction. This is actually a statement made by a
particular coach. But after the Bengals beat the Lions sixteen
to fourteen in their preseason Game one matchup, Dan Campbell
had this to say about well, replay and monitors in
the sidelines.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Yeah, I see, I don't get to see all that stuff.
I wish they'd just give us a monitor. We can
walk around with wing as to watch the.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
Game with you guys while we're watching that game, because
you can't see all the little things.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
But yeah, I don't it's not major.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
What do you think, hey, coaches are looking at and
looking for and talking about Q Honestly.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
Well, this question was brought up, I believe in regards
to the injury that took place Enis Rakestraw, one of
the defensive backs cornerbacks for them, So I believe it
was in regards to that injury, and he was basically
stating that they had a better look at it than
he did. And I can understand that because that's kind
of always been the case. You've been subject to your
(34:58):
vantage point of being on the sidelines, and if you
have a good look at it or not, that's part
of the game.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
At some point, though, we've got to draw the line.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
And I also think you can't have it both ways
if you're a head coach in the NFL. So we've
got these challenge flags, which that's come a long way.
We now have the opportunity to throw out a challenge flag,
to challenge a call, send it to replay, and so
we can overturn it. Head coach has just decided to
go ahead and delegate that task to someone else to
throw it out. They've already delegated the task in general
(35:30):
to someone up in the booth who has access to
those replays that you're able to see, and to being
able to monitor it up there. So my whole thing
with a head coach having a tablet or.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
Something on the sidelines to monitor is.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
You've already got all of this and you've given away
a lot of those powers. You've getten away for someone
to throw out the challenge flag. You've designated someone with
the ability to buzz down to you to tell you
when to challenge what should be challenged. I mean, oftentimes
the head coach is just looking at the jumbo t
to see the replay on the scoreboard. So my issue is, like,
you can't complain about something when you've been given all
(36:07):
of these things and you've kind of delegated a lot
of it away. And I understand that kind of comes
with the job. You've got to delegate some things and
keep others in your control. But in this particular instance,
it's like what does that matter? Like what good would
that do? Are you be standing at the iPad the
entire time instead of out at the field the field
to get like more of a feel for the game flow.
And you already have tablets that you're viewing for defense
(36:28):
and offense now more than ever to get a look
at all these things. So I really don't understand how
a sideline monitor would matter, in particular in this case,
when you're talking about a player's injury, like you're more
talking about that after the fact.
Speaker 4 (36:40):
I think after the fact.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
I think the only way that it would truly matter
is immediately after. Like I know, I stand on the
sideline pretty much every game with Penn State. And one
thing that when we were at home, they had it
set up where, you know, where coach Franklin could see
(37:04):
the like if Coach Franklin like waved his finger or
did like the motion, they do a replay and and
if it's like as egregious as everybody thought it was,
like you know, the whole stadium and go ooh, right,
they run that back and they'll keep running the replay
back to try to get the referees to like see it,
(37:25):
which in college, I mean, there's I don't think that
there's any real recourse to that, but it's It's interesting
if I'm a pro, if I'm a pro coach, if
if I have the ability to see something that needs
to be challenged, and how quickly am I able to
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see that? And how much time do you need? Like
even the spotters who are looking for like what equates?
What what activates the we gotta throw a red flag
because to me, again, I could look at every single
play and be like, red flag challenge that that was
a hold, he held him, red flag challenged that that's
(38:10):
past interference. He held him like he impeded his progress,
he made contact with him beyond five yards. Whatever it
may be, what constitutes throwing a red flag? How egregious
doesn't have to be because some of these penalties that
don't get caught or I mean, you could consider them
(38:30):
to be horrible miscalls, but for what it's worth, they
don't get caught. You'd have to call a flag a
penalty every single place. So what is it? It impacted
the game? It was going to be a touchdown? Like
which one is it? Is it they made the call
and you could tell that it wasn't a great call,
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or they marked the balls short on yardage? Like what
constitutes saying that like, this is something that we truly
have to challenge who's seeing it, because I doubt it's
the hete coach unless it's something that happened right in
front of his face or what he's looking at.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
I think the question becomes, should head coaches have the
ability if they ultimately have the decision it falls on
them to review something, so they have ability to the
same access that a broadcast booth does that, fans do
that reporters do up in the press box to be.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
Able to make that decision.
Speaker 4 (39:24):
I mean why not?
Speaker 1 (39:25):
And well, because I think there is an element of
like there's always that argument of this is how we
how we've always done it, so this is how we're
going to do it moving forward.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
I think there's always that case.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
And in most cases I would disagree with, well, that
doesn't make sense, like just because we've always done it
that way, that means that's how.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
You should continue to do it.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
But in this case, I do feel like there's an
element of decision making that has to go on the
head coach to make those decisions without having all the information.
I mean, that's part of why you get compensated, which
you get compensated.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
That seems like a total contradiction for Braid Quinn bro
No No, I just.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
I think it because here's the thing is, where do
you draw the line, Like, at some point you have
to draw the line.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
Are you gonna give these guys you.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
Know, phones, tablets, whatever, where they're constantly monitoring everything in
real time, and how are you if that's the case.
It takes away from the human element of what the
game is. And there's other sports where you see this,
I mean, any sport that's got you know, some sort
of clock like this. As much as you can kind
of call it time out and interject yourself, there's also
elements where it's harder once the game's in flow and
(40:31):
being played, when you're trying to communicate, com communicate, trying
to make decisions Like I just I feel like you're
gotta let the players be out there and play, and
in this case with a replay.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
I'm not saying.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
That you know they have they obviously have the ability
to get those angles up in the press box. I
just don't understand why giving him a monitor is going
to change anything, and especially if he's.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
Not the guy who's gonna throw the challenge flag.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
Anyway, And why and why would he be looking at
that versus looking at whatever it is he's looking out
on the field. That's my thing, Like if he could, like,
immediately upon the play kind of getting to its conclusion,
he starts looking at it. But I just feel like
that would be damaging to the flow of how a
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coach approaches the game. That's that almost seems stressful, Like
I ain't gonna lie, like, even when you're calling games,
it's it's kind of up down, up down, up down,
up down, Like.
Speaker 4 (41:29):
It's like it's a challenge.
Speaker 3 (41:31):
I ain't gonna say it's it's the most difficult, but
it's a challenge to be able to create that balance
between being able to talk about what you're seeing and
it happening in real time and you taking your eyes
up and you're taking your eyes down. It takes some
getting used to.
Speaker 4 (41:50):
I just.
Speaker 3 (41:52):
I just don't see how that would would be a
healthy approach for a coach to have. Like I could
see if there was somebody standing right next to him
and was looking at the monitor and they're like, look
at this.
Speaker 4 (42:05):
Coach, like and even that being I'd get away from
me stop.
Speaker 3 (42:16):
I like get to that point by the end of
the first quarter, like what are you doing, bro? Like
not every single down, like wait, wait for something that's good?
Speaker 4 (42:26):
Like what are you doing?
Speaker 3 (42:27):
Just keeping you in the note coach, Like all right,
get the hell out of my face.
Speaker 4 (42:32):
I'm trying to call the game. Like, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (42:35):
I just think that it's just that to me, would
be intrusive to have a monitor in your face as
the plays are going.
Speaker 4 (42:44):
That's just me.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
I also feel like it wouldn't look right, you know,
Dan Campbell, that's a Donnis looking dude holding a tablet.
I don't know, And maybe maybe Mike McDaniel would look
better with it. I'm just saying I'm not sure he
would look quite the same, you know, you look quite like.
That is one of the piece of news we're going
to get to on the NFL front. There is no
invisible deadline for Aaron Donald's decision when to come back.
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Those are the words of head coach Sean mcvayh with
the Los Angeles Rams. That's not surprising. I mean, does
anyone think that Aaron Donald's going to come back and
subject himself to speculation of playing in a preseason game.
I mean, I kind of look at this and say,
what's the point of him coming back now? Why not
wait until the organization is able to structure their roster decisions.
(43:30):
He gets a sens for it if he wants to play
in all seventeen games. I mean there's a chance that
maybe he doesn't want to do that. You know, maybe
he only wants to play in twelve, thirteen, fourteen. But
when you're talking about a first ballot Hall of Famer,
one of the all time greats to do it, Yeah,
there's not going to be a deadline on whatever he
wants to do. He gets to come back whenever he
wants to come back to help the Rams make a
(43:51):
Super Bowl run?
Speaker 2 (43:51):
Is that fair?
Speaker 1 (43:52):
And sang or do you think that's disrespectful to the
guys in the team?
Speaker 4 (43:55):
Now?
Speaker 3 (43:55):
I think it's fair. They've had the same defense court, right.
Shula's been the coordinator for how long.
Speaker 2 (44:05):
I'd have to look it up. I mean he hasn't
been for that long because.
Speaker 3 (44:08):
Past rush coordinator in twenty three, passing game coordinator in
twenty two, linebackers coaching, so he's been there. He's been
there for for an entire time. Twenty seventeen he came
in there. He's familiar with Aaron Donald. Aaron Donald is
familiar with him. If anything, Right now, he's watching film.
(44:32):
He's studying film, he's studying what his role is, what
the playbook looks like. It's probably the same exact thing.
So a couple of different wrinkles here and there for him.
Will they move him around as much? Will they slide
him as much as they did when he was playing before?
Will they set him to a side? What are they like?
(44:52):
How are they going to use him? Do you best believe?
On their big board and in their there's strategy sessions,
Aaron Donald is penciled in as as one of the players.
That's a part of their game plans. What his comfort
level is coming back, what he's able to do, how
he feels. I think that's gonna all come down to him.
(45:17):
But ultimately, I think what he's doing right now is
preparing himself with the playbook and what that looks like,
and watching film on what they're doing in praise, probably
watching the practice reps. I mean, it's so easy to
do now. All you got to do is sign in
right Like, It's not like, oh, send me over to
DVDs or you.
Speaker 4 (45:37):
Know, stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (45:39):
He can watch the practice film, watch what the schemes
look like, and that's probably what he's doing. He's probably
doing a ton of mental reps, a ton of mental
work while he works, he works off. It works out
like a workaholic, works out like an animal. So he's
probably continuing to condition himself. Yeah, but I think I
(46:00):
think he's probably very involved with what's going on game
plan wise and what they're anticipating and planning on doing
with using him, and that won't become evident until we
probably get to the week of the first game.
Speaker 1 (46:13):
I mean, look as last season was twenty twenty three,
so you know he was you're probably concerned a bit.
I mean, not that it's his age, right, he's probably
what thirty five, thirty six, But I think anyone who's
out for that period of time, the strength trainding is
one aspect. There's no doubt he's gonna be the type
of guy that's always going to be strong, He's always
gonna be in relatively good shape.
Speaker 2 (46:34):
But there is a difference in game shape.
Speaker 1 (46:36):
There is a difference in like the intensity that playing
in an NFL game puts on your body, the way
you your body has to react at times you know,
has to be prepared for the unknown force that's gonna
that's gonna be applied to you, whether that's in your
pass rush, you know, whether that's going up against the
double team, which I can.
Speaker 2 (46:53):
Assure you that was always the case while he played.
Speaker 1 (46:56):
So when he comes back, maybe they'll let him be
one on one for a few players before he proves
to them he's still the first ballot Hall of Famer
that he's always been. But I look at it and
just say, why would you rush that? I mean, he
knows his body, he knows the type of shape that
he's in, and he probably feels like he knows when
he's right and when he's not. This might be a
little longer build up than people realize, and if he's
(47:18):
cautious about doing it, it only makes sense. The last
thing you want to do is have all this hype,
all this anticipation, and you get out there and you
pop something because you rushed it or you feel like
you weren't physically prepared for some of that intensity. So
I just I would sit there and say, like I
would be as patient with him as I need to be.
I'm not sure the rams feel like there's I mean, look,
(47:40):
there's still gonna be a super Bowl contending team without him.
You add him to the roster only helps that much more.
But I also feel like if they added him to
the roster a week eight, week nine, would we look
at them any different.
Speaker 2 (47:53):
Probably not. No, we look at them the exact same.
Speaker 1 (47:56):
So I just to me, this has been a storyline
because it's fun to remo of a world where Miles
Garrett Aaron Donald are on the same defensive front and
we get to see what that looks like. I'm okay,
though if it doesn't happen for until week eight, week
nine we tennis season.
Speaker 4 (48:10):
You know, it's fine.
Speaker 3 (48:11):
I just people have talked about, oh my gosh, we're
going to get to see two of the best of
the best to ever do it, like to ever do it,
and like, listen, Miles Garrett is different and on another level,
and so it is Aaron Donald. But you we do know,
like maybe people forgot Aaron Donald and a Dominkin Sue
we're on the same defensive front one at one point
(48:31):
in time. At one point time, a Dominkin Sue and
Aaron Donald was on the same defensive front. So while
we act like we don't know what it would look
like to have two dominant forces up front.
Speaker 4 (48:48):
We do.
Speaker 3 (48:49):
We've seen it when a Domakin was at the end
of his career and was with a young Aaron Donald.
Speaker 4 (48:55):
We do know what it looks like.
Speaker 3 (48:56):
Now, it's just Aaron Donald's on on the back side
of his career and it would be coming out of
which he retired early. It's not like we're he's thirty
five years old. He's not crazy old. He's probably if
he if he had a serious injury, it would take
him a year to get through that injury. Maybe he
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could come back, but it would probably take him a
year to get that trust in the body and in
the leg or whatever it is that he dealt with,
and then you that next year he's going to be
good to me. This is a scenario where you got
a perfectly healthy person, a person that probably works harder,
works out harder than what he did when he played,
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and has given his body time to heal up and
get some some rest. I don't think he's so far
out of game shape that he won't be able to
adapt at his age and adjust to the riggers and
the pain that's connected to playing the position that he plays,
I think he would come back be a positive contributor
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to what's going on.
Speaker 4 (50:03):
That's just my take on it.
Speaker 1 (50:06):
I want to remind people too, that year you're referring to,
when in Dominican Sue was with the Los Angeles Round
twenty eighteen, Donald did have twenty and a half sacks.
Speaker 2 (50:14):
He was the AP Defensive Player of the Year. That
was the first year Sean.
Speaker 1 (50:18):
Mcvagh and the Rams made the Super Bowl. Now they
did lose to the Patriots thirteen to three. That was
back in twenty eighteen, but you saw the impact that
it had on at least Aaron Donald's production and obviously
the team itself making it to a Super Bowl, not
winning it, but again making it to a Super Bowl.
Come up next year on two pros and a cup
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This you're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Probably should have
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Speaker 1 (00:34):
And me today, but it's all good. Jonas will be
back over at some point. If not, we'll make sure
to switch it up. But this is two Pros. There's
no Cup of Joe. He's gone. He's out of here.
I think you watched his cubs get stomped last night,
so he's decided not to show up, all right. He's
been talking a lot about the NFL preseason Week one,
(00:55):
wrapping up with some of our Monday morning knee jerk reactions,
just prepping ourselves our preseason two for the regular season
after Week one, so we figured why not go ahead
and throw this in the mix too, seeing a lot
of guys play who may not get their number called
until an injury occurs or the season goes by the wayside.
The first team that comes to mind is the La Rams,
(01:18):
and looking at the night that ty Simpson had was
super efficient, played very well, executed exactly. Yes, he was
asked to do a lot of people trying to kind
of cameind came away doing a victory lab, which I
thought was interesting for a couple of reasons. There were
a number of people who were high on Ty Simpson.
(01:39):
I'm not sure where this whole narrative came about. Where
people weren't, I don't know, excited for him, optimistic for
what he could be at the NFL level.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
I've never really heard where that was.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
But they used this moment Simpson, who went twenty one
for twenty five hundred ninet yards and two touchdowns versus
the Kansas City Chiefs in Arrowhead. They use this moment
to kind of justify their belief in what he was
as a draft.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Pick for the Rams.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
So I'm not really sure what to take from that,
but it does feel like there's a reaction that the
Rams do have their quarterback for the future. After just
one preseason game, that of which involved a lot of
bootlegs to the right, probably five to six completions off
of that, which you know, if you played quarterback, you
know that's about as easy as it gets on you.
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There's not much of a read there. It's a pretty
simple throw, rolling to your right, running to your right.
But did the Rams do they have their guy for
the days after Matthew Stafford retires.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
It's always easy to make the assessment when a guy
plays well after that game. Yes, if he doesn't play
the same exact way in the next game, maybe that opinion,
maybe it changes a little bit. Listen McVeigh is one
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of those offensive, brilliant minds.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
You know.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Obviously he has a staff that is used to to
who he is, and they have really built the rapport
that works for this offense. Matthew Stafford is comfortable in
the offense, and you see Todd Simpson's it's almost like
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it's preseason, but in watching the way that he kind
of diagnoses the plays. Yes, they moved him around. Yes
a lot of the passes were manageable, easier passes. But
isn't that kind of what the league is anymore? I
mean honestly, ce like, yes, you have some guys that
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will go downfield, and yes you do see downfield plays,
you know, but to say that you see that way
more or that's what you're you know, I guess that's
what you're looking for. But what you're really what you're
really seeing is a quarterback's ability to diagnose as quickly
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as possible and then make the decision. Am I going
to my safety valve my next option that isn't downfill
in that danger zone of where all those those you know,
predators are out there like roaming and chumming. I think
that seeing Ty Simpson respect it that way, deliver the
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ball in a way where he can give guys an
opportunity to get yack after to catch definitely serves the
purpose of thinking positively about what his.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
Future could be for the Rams.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
But that can change by the game, and it certainly
can change if he does play well enough in these
moments where he is setting in motion to be the
replacement the air.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
Parent to to Matthew.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Stafford, I thought what he did was he checked all
the boxes for the things that you were looking for
for a guy that was taken in the first round,
that's thought to be the heir apparent to Matthew Stafford,
and the way he went about doing it.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
I mean, he was.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Accurate with the football, he worked through his progressions. You
could visibly see it, the way he moved through when
it was in the pocket. I thought he didn't put
the ball in harm's way, which some people said if
there was a knock on him coming out in the
draft outside of experience and just overall starting experience and playing,
it would have been that that at times he made
some risky throws or put the ball in harm's way,
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which again I kind of came back to defending him.
He didn't have much of a run game. That wasn't
Nick Saban's Alabama defense, So there was times when he
had to take chances or take a risk with a
throw that was in a tight window that was going
to be putting the ball in harms way. Otherwise Obama
probably wasn't coming back. They probably weren't winning those games.
So in his defense, you know, some of that narrative
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was kind of born out of the fact of what
he didn't have, what he wasn't working with in comparison
to prior you know, Alabama, Nick Saban teams, and it's
kind of a different era. With Kaitlyn de Bore, He's
going to throw the football a lot more then Nick
Saban would allow his coordinators to. Back in the day,
you know, they had a much more balanced offensive attack.
They eventually grew to be more spread, and I think
you saw that with Tua Toungue Bailoa. You saw that
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with Bryce Young, but that definitely wasn't the case in
the beginning of Nick Saban's tenure there as head coach
at Alabama. But in regards to Tys Simpson, you know, look,
he's the son of a coach, and there's a thought
too that the way he was going to handle himself
was a very professional manner, and Sean McVay is going
to give him all of the ability to become the
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best he can be at this level because of how
good of a play caller he is and how good
of a coach he is. So early indications, yeah, I
think he set himself up to be the guy to
replace Matt Stafford. But it does feel like it's a
bit over the top for one preseason game, yea, And
we can't make too much of the preseason. Moving on,
to quarterbacks on the other side of the spectrum, Atlanta
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clearly struggled. Patty, do we have the sound from Kevin
Stefan talking about the offense and we've been able to
find that, Lorena, do we have it?
Speaker 3 (07:07):
I will look for it, yeah, Patty, Patty isn't available
to you right now.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Well, we had a conversation of the break. I thought
maybe he was working on that, but.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
He might be.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
I think that's actually what he's working on, right this guy,
well the moment, just veage it out, you know what
I mean, like, let's just vege it.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
What we'll do is we'll talk about the struggle of Atlanta,
who you know, clearly look that they don't really have
Michael Pennix as part of the mix yet. But I
think if you're watching the offense, you're a bit concerned now.
And then granted, Denver's defense is tough.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
They're good. They've got some depth there too.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
But it doesn't matter if it was your guy Cooper Rush,
doesn't matter if it's Jack Strand or even to who
didn't really push the ball down the field. It seemed
like he was really honed in on Kyle Pitts on
almost every single throw there just.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Wasn't a lot there.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
And look, that's the tough part for Kevin Stefanski is
you're trying to can to quarterback competition.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
One of which isn't even in there yet.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
And the other issue is you're instant implementing a new
offense and you're not trying to show too much. I mean,
Kevin Stevanci has been a head coach long enough to
know you don't want to give away a lot of
the stuff you're doing in preseason to let guys see
it come week one.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
And so I'm not gonna make too much of this.
I think we tend to forget.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Like to a tongue of Bayla as a starting quarterback
in the NFL, has actually been pretty damn successful in
regards to his win loss during the course of the
regular season. I believe he's like, I got a forty
four and thirty two win loss record. He's thrown for
over four thousand yards before led the league. In fact,
in twenty twenty three. He's a high completetion percentage guy,
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a completely almost seventy percent of his past.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
In his career.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
So for some reason, we have this narrative just because
he's had a hard time staying healthy, that he's not
going to bring an elevated level of play at the
quarterback spot with his ability to throw the football round.
But I think he'll be just fine. This to me
is a knee jerk overreaction for one preseason game.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Dang well, I'll say this, Atlanta has elements, They have
talent that would make you say, don't panic. Plus the
rest of the NFC South, what does that really look
like for all the teams in it? But with that
(09:23):
being said, I would say that's a pretty tremendously large
question mark that exists for this football team's this football
team's quarterback position. Q I don't think that there's any
way you can get around it. I mean Cats is
making fun of Tua and warm ups, He's doing little
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dances while he's throwing. They talking about this is what
nacho cheese looks like after you've had concussions. I mean,
there are so many like little jokes. Oh, it is
like so many jokes going on, and and you know
it just I don't look at this this quarterback situation
as the most positive situation.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
And whether whether Pennix proves out or is able to
stay healthy enough to prove out, or if if tuapproves
out and is able to prove out, I think that
remains to be seen, and that's just something that's going
to have to be proven. I don't think that we're
at a place where you can look at where this
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team is right now and think that.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
You know, even with.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
The coaching staffs change staff staff changing with Stefanski, that
this is going to improve dramatically with his arrival and
with Tua's arrival. I think that's too big of a
question mark. But it's also not so big of a
question mark that it's going to be handled with one
preseason game or one preseason period, right. I think that
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you got to get into the real games before you
start really having an idea what the identity of this
Atlanta Falcons team is going to be, because I think
there's just there's question marks. I mean, one of your
best players on the defensive side of the ball is
going to be suspended. I mean there's just going to be,
you know, elements that hold this team back from being
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what it could have been if they were at their
full potential.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
I feel like they're in a tough spot.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
I mean This is an organization that moved off for
Raheem Morris after two years. I don't know that they
gave him enough time. They moved off from Arthur Smith
after three years. Neither coach was able to have a
winning record. I mean the Raheem Morris higher. It was
interesting too, because remember they moved on from dan Quinn
and then they let Raheem Morris finish the rest of
(11:44):
that season I believe what back in twenty twenty, and
so they had experience with him, they bring him back
and then it just doesn't end up really working out.
And so now you give a Keme Stefanski an opportunity.
And it's like the criticism that I see and a
lot of the conversation that I see about it is dragging.
A lot of like, hey, Atlanta fans, we're Browns fans,
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welcome to the Stefanski offense. And it's like people tend
to forget like they have had their moments. They didn't
have their moments with Stefanski and Cleveland for an organization
that's really struggled and appears so far like it may struggle,
and so I just I look at it and I go,
there's just no patience anymore. I mean it's almost like
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when you have a retread hire at head coach, whatever
the baggage was behind them is now carried along with them,
and the fan base is very aware of that. And
if things don't go well, they're basically just gonna say,
all right, we're gonna kick this out of the curb
after a year. I mean, you're gonna Arthur Blank's gonna
find himself in the position. If they're not patient with
some of these coaches and seeing through the process, paying
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multiple coaches.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
And moving on to it.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
If they start allowing this public pressure, this pressure on
the outside to build up, well, it's for fans or
the media, and if they listen too much to what
they're saying just based off one preseason or based off
the decisions of one offseason. So to me, it's a
huge knee jerk reaction. There's a lot of newness there
in Atlanta. I think their best football is ahead of them.
(13:10):
And on top of that, like let's just give it
some time, Like let's wait till Michael Pennix gets in
the mix. Let's wait till they get to real games
that matter, see who the starter is and go from there,
but the reaction that I got after one preseason game,
It's crazy to me how kind of over at top
it was. And I understand the game didn't look good,
but in my opinion, like, again, give it more time,
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but I've got one more story I want to get to.
And then this starts to do with Jackson Dart who
just seemingly can't seem to stay out of the injury tent.
Lorena or Patty, either of you could you play the
Jackson Darts sound please?
Speaker 5 (13:48):
As far as the blue tent, Like, I really respect
the rules and the thought behind young NFL has of
keeping players healthy and reviewing things, but at the same time, I'm.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Still puzzled by.
Speaker 5 (14:05):
It, just feeling like every time that I get hit,
you know, I just find I find my way in there,
which I'm at times I still try to wrap my
head around. But that's all that I'm going to say
about that situation. You know, I'm really happy with how
the drive ended.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
So the ATC, the athletic trainer and really the one
that's tasked with viewing for different hits and buzzing down
and saying like, hey, go check this guy out.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
He could have a concussion.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Or he could have some sort of head injury. They're
ultimately that's kind of how the process works. They're responsible
for grabbing a guy or buzzing down if they feel
like someone took a hit that may have resulted in.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
A head injury.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
And the tough thing for guys like Jackson Dart when
you have a rookie year where you went to the
injury tent as often as you did, you were now
subject to always being viewed with more scrutiny anytime you
take a hit. So if you go back and watch
the preseason game, the hit that he took, it wasn't
to the head or neck. It's probably based on the
way he fell to the ground or they felt like
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it was necessary to bring him into the injury tent.
But you know, he's a little bit confused with all
of this. However, I don't know how he can be,
because this comes down to how he's playing. It's how
he played last year as a rookie, and even this year.
He's got to do a better job of protecting himself.
He's got to do a better job of knowing where
pressure is coming from, trying to avoid the pressure, figuring
out ways of getting down when he can and not
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taking on an unnecessary collision because if he does, he's
going to be thrust it right back in that injury
tent to be evaluated, and any symptoms he has, they're
going to be more cautious than they have before because
of his injury history.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
With this.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Am I seeing it the right way?
Speaker 3 (15:40):
Not only are you seeing it the right way, but
he takes time off of his opportunity to be a
franchise quarterback for the team. The more injuries that you get.
I was just telling my son this, you can't get hurt,
and it's like the wowdest thing to say to a person, like,
(16:02):
don't get hurt, Like, but what do you mean if
you hurt something? You hurt something? Yeah, but no, there's
a difference if if you can't get up off of
the ground and your leg is hanging off or your
fingers hanging off, even if the fingers hanging off, I
take that.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
You can't get hurt.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
It's the sport you chose, it's the profession you chose,
and you have to understand the understanding of availability.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
You cannot be hurt.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
The moment you get labeled an injury prone guy, it's
just like and and listen. This shouldn't be a disparaging
thing to say, but it is in some ways somehow.
I don't know, but if you get labeled a special
teams player, sometimes you cannot outrun or out maneuver the
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label of being a special team teams player. They just
will not find a way to look at you being
anything else. You won't be a linebacker, sorry. You won't
be a receiver. Sorry, you won't be a cornerback. Sorry.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
So you better get used to being.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
A special team specialist because you're not going to get
the looks as a regular defender or a regular offensive player.
And that's the same thing with an injury prone player.
You're never going to get from under being considered to
be an injury prone player. So the franchise is always
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planning and preparing on who is going to be your
replacement at which in point in time when the injury
does happen. Now that it's been confirmed, they're looking at
you even more differently, like, can the person that we're
replacing you with get it done?
Speaker 4 (17:50):
You just don't want to be in that.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Type of situation where every single time something happens, it's
now discussions of it being the end versus it being
just get through the injury and get back on to
the field.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
I also this think this creates a tough spot for
John Harbowie takes over as head coach because, and maybe
this was some of the hesitation from some of the
other head coaching candidates, is this is what you're inheriting.
You're inheriting a player who, albeit very talented, you know,
already has this injury history.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Kind of similar to the Dolphins when they took.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Tua, like they knew what they were buying into once
he became a pro, and so once he had more concussions,
and then how they were going to try to pay
him or how they're going to try to structure that contract,
it became difficult. It's no different than Jackson Dart. Whether
or not that he becomes the Giants' long term answer
at quarterback, there is always going to be a concern
that every time he takes a hit that he's going
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to the injury ten he might have to miss time,
and so you better have a backup that you feel
confident in. Jameis Winston was the backup in this case,
but you better have someone that you feel confident in.
For the entire tenure of his career there as you're
starting quarterback. It's just the life they're going to have
to live right now with the guy who seemingly has
reputation for getting hurt or having these head injuries, and
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whether he likes it or not, it's the job of
a lot of people that are involved, and the NFLPA
has fought hard to make sure they have these protections
for players, so twenty thirty years down the road, players
aren't sitting back wishing that they had more protections over
head injuries and things of this sort. So I can
understand his frustration, but at the same time, it's really
in his hands to control how he goes about playing
(19:24):
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going with the football slide when he can get down,
when he can not take the unnecessary hit, and that's
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Speaker 2 (22:22):
So I mentioned it before the break, lock youlight y'all.
That's right. There's there's examples of this.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Now, it seems rather impossible because for many of us
who have lived in the world of you know, football,
we've always heard that once you saw with an agent,
once you're sign on an NFL contract, you know you're done.
You're eligibility at the college level is done. However, there
is an injunction in Colorado with Judge Charlotte Sweeney. It's
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a recent case that occurred in late July, and she
used a preliminary injunction allowing the class of twenty twenty
two high school graduate It's who've exhausted their four years
of eligibility under those old rules to come back and
compete for a fifth season this year.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
So that doesn't.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
It does not apply to us. It does not apply
to us. Although I mean, look, it's you know how
this world works. There'll be someone and you know one
of those old heads is hey, bro, I still got it. Man,
still I got two left?
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Yeah, I still got it. Don't let me get hot,
don't let me get don't let me out there. I'll
show those young cats what I can do there. There
definitely are some people who might want to try to
do that.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
But the point is the NCAA adopted this new age
based model. Generally, it's five years of eligibility starting from
the enrollment or the academic year after turning nineteen. That's
the rule, but it did not make it fully retroactive
for this group.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
So sweety later clarified like.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
In August that injunction does not override the NCAA rules.
So it still includes not allowing guys who have signed
a professional contract returning college. So this is all getting
a little bit murky because there's a ton of parallel
lawsuits as well in Texas, Ohio, Nevada, Tennessee, and elsewhere,
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and it's basically forcing the NCAA world to create more
stricter guidelines because you've already allowed a player named Cole
Hudson who he went undrafted. This past spring, he participated
in rookie mini camps not with one team, but two
with Cleveland and with Dallas, but he never signed an
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NFL contract, So then he filed a lawsuit in Texas
seeking his fifth year. He was able to win that ruling,
and so now he's back at Texas playing.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
For the twenty twenty sixth season.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
So there was a thought now for a lot of
these college football teams whose rosters have a little bit
of one hundred and five that if they have room
and if they have you know, potential prospects of guys
who might not make that team through training camp, that
they could then file an injunction they could then try
to bring them onto their roster.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
I mean, it sounds wild. I don't think any of
this should be possible. It's ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Bro.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
I'm just saying, you might be watching cats who are
playing in a preseason game that somehow get cut and
maybe they're only eligible for the practice squad, and they
somehow find their way making it back to college football.
Who graduated high school in that twenty twenty two years,
don't be shocked.
Speaker 4 (25:33):
It just sounds so unbelievable. It really does.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
And I generally air on the side of support of
anything that gives a young men opportunity to continue their career.
But I would also say, you know, these these FBS
schools there, I believe they're capped off at one hundred
and five players now and they're doing away with walk ons,
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and there's so many. The landscape of college football has
changed so much, and the most dramatically impacted by this change,
and my estimation is the high school prospect. The high
school kids, their realities have changed so dramatically and so drastically,
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and it shouldn't be that way. I really believe. When
you look at college, college is it's a developmental stage,
it's an educational stage, it's a simulated I'm on my
own but not quite on my own stage and phase
of life. And then you move on. That's what you do.
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And I'm never going to be one to tell a
person to not go after your dreams, chase your dreams
by all means, but in some of these situations, in
some cases is like listen, COVID year kids, if you're
connected to COVID year, I have empathy, I have sympathies,
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and I have understanding for what you've gone through, but
as you.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Went through right as a coach.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
As a coach, yes, and I understood, I mean the
complexities of getting through playing a season. We went undefeated too,
but the complexities of playing a season under those conditions
were harsh, to say the least, and it just it
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was just very, very different. But I'll say that that
is the one probably element or caveat to all of
this where I'd say I get it. But once that's done,
like which we should be out of that that group.
At this point, it's gotta be four years, five years.
Speaker 4 (27:59):
If it's a it's now going to be five years.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
So if you're getting five years, okay, but at some point,
like you gotta cap it off. If it's five, it's
got to be a hard five. It can't transition anywhere
beyond that. That's just my estimation of it. That's my
opinion of it. It can't be more than five years,
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no matter what. Oh, I had a family emergency, you
know what, God bless you and your family, but you
gotta go five years.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
You gotta go.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
And that's like saying you red shirted or gray shirted
or whatever shirt it you want a medical shirt whatever
it is, you get five years if your injuries carry
you beyond that five years. Q, I'm sorry, you got
to try to figure out how to play somewhere else,
in some type of other league where you could try to.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
Keep playing, but you can't play here.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
I just think you got to keep a healthy flow
of athletes student athletes that are coming through your schools.
Otherwise you're creating these log jams that are unnecessary. Kids
out of high school that would normally get an opportunity
to get a roster spot and get a scholarship from
(29:20):
some of these schools are having to choose otherwise and
go other places and aren't even as highly recruited. It's
very difficult to be recruited highly anymore because there's so
much talent being recruited in the portal. It has replaced.
It has replaced high school recruitment. It's now turned into
(29:42):
a free agency frenzy. And adding these years to these
guys being able to be eligible only muddies the water more.
Speaker 4 (29:49):
And makes it more complicated.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Well, like I said, don't be shocked though, if the
teams don't find a way in their desperation to win
a national championship at the college level. Uh, grab one
of these these young talented players who's trying to make it.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
In the NFL.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
Education.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
It ain't about oh, let's bring them back till you
could get some more education. We got win, is natty?
Speaker 4 (30:10):
Yeah? Right?
Speaker 1 (30:11):
I think as soon as you went with the five
for five, you said the loud.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
Part, you know, whether they say the quiet part out loud.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Or whatever, and then that's essentially you're not tying it
to getting your degree, right, And typically people were like, well,
I got my degrade five years. But yeah, some people do,
but like you do, you have a freshman, sophomore, junior,
senior year.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
That's why it's labeled that way by and.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Large, whether it's high school to college or college, you
know you're supposed to graduate in four years. And the
idea of the five for five was to do away
with all the different ways in which people were trying
to apply for red shirts, whether it be a medical
red shirt, what it be a hardship, whether it be
(30:58):
whatever it is, Like it eliminates the process being bogged
down of finding a way to get that fifth year
to apply for it. Now, not every school is the same.
Every school's different, Like how notre dame used to be.
They used to tell you, you're coming here to play
football for four years of eligibility if you are so
lucky enough where you actually have eligibility four or fifth year.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
If you never red shirted.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
Right and you want to apply for that extra year,
or excuse me, if you know did red shirt, you
need to apply for that extra year. If you got injured,
you can then apply for it, but it's not guaranteed
to you, at.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Least not by the university. And that's how it used
to be.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
So when your senior year was up and you were graduating,
you had then to apply to come back, whether it's
for a graduate school or you had to apply for
the additional year and continue your studies. So it wasn't
just a athletic decision based on what happened off the field.
It was also an academic one. And that's what's what's
(31:57):
interesting about this is that's just kind of out the window.
That's not even a part of how they look at
this anymore. So again, it's gonna be wild. I would
be shocked if you don't see a player or two
try to get picked up, try to file a lawsuit
in whatever state they're at and this is one of
the reasons why you see so many people calling for
federal legislation so it's not on a state by state case.
And obviously this injunction in Colorado created precedent for other
(32:21):
states then to have players who are looking to come
back and play. And that's why there's been other lawsuits
that have been filed, all in the effort to get
it done and find a way of playing college football
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pros and a cup of joe. And we've been talking
about a lot of the knee jerk reactions from the
NFL in the preseason Week one. This isn't a knee
(34:04):
jerk reaction. This is actually a statement made by a
particular coach. But after the Bengals beat the Lions sixteen
to fourteen in their preseason Game one matchup, Dan Campbell
had this to say about well, replay and monitors in
the sidelines.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Yeah, I see, I don't get to see all that stuff.
I wish they'd just give us a monitor. We can
walk around with wing as to watch the.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
Game with you guys while we're watching that game, because
you can't see all the little things.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
But yeah, I don't it's not major.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
What do you think, hey, coaches are looking at and
looking for and talking about Q Honestly.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
Well, this question was brought up, I believe in regards
to the injury that took place Enis Rakestraw, one of
the defensive backs cornerbacks for them, So I believe it
was in regards to that injury, and he was basically
stating that they had a better look at it than
he did. And I can understand that because that's kind
of always been the case. You've been subject to your
(34:58):
vantage point of being on the sidelines, and if you
have a good look at it or not, that's part
of the game.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
At some point, though, we've got to draw the line.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
And I also think you can't have it both ways
if you're a head coach in the NFL. So we've
got these challenge flags, which that's come a long way.
We now have the opportunity to throw out a challenge flag,
to challenge a call, send it to replay, and so
we can overturn it. Head coach has just decided to
go ahead and delegate that task to someone else to
throw it out. They've already delegated the task in general
(35:30):
to someone up in the booth who has access to
those replays that you're able to see, and to being
able to monitor it up there. So my whole thing
with a head coach having a tablet or.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
Something on the sidelines to monitor is.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
You've already got all of this and you've given away
a lot of those powers. You've getten away for someone
to throw out the challenge flag. You've designated someone with
the ability to buzz down to you to tell you
when to challenge what should be challenged. I mean, oftentimes
the head coach is just looking at the jumbo t
to see the replay on the scoreboard. So my issue is, like,
you can't complain about something when you've been given all
(36:07):
of these things and you've kind of delegated a lot
of it away. And I understand that kind of comes
with the job. You've got to delegate some things and
keep others in your control. But in this particular instance,
it's like what does that matter? Like what good would
that do? Are you be standing at the iPad the
entire time instead of out at the field the field
to get like more of a feel for the game flow.
And you already have tablets that you're viewing for defense
(36:28):
and offense now more than ever to get a look
at all these things. So I really don't understand how
a sideline monitor would matter, in particular in this case,
when you're talking about a player's injury, like you're more
talking about that after the fact.
Speaker 4 (36:40):
I think after the fact.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
I think the only way that it would truly matter
is immediately after. Like I know, I stand on the
sideline pretty much every game with Penn State. And one
thing that when we were at home, they had it
set up where, you know, where coach Franklin could see
(37:04):
the like if Coach Franklin like waved his finger or
did like the motion, they do a replay and and
if it's like as egregious as everybody thought it was,
like you know, the whole stadium and go ooh, right,
they run that back and they'll keep running the replay
back to try to get the referees to like see it,
(37:25):
which in college, I mean, there's I don't think that
there's any real recourse to that, but it's It's interesting
if I'm a pro, if I'm a pro coach, if
if I have the ability to see something that needs
to be challenged, and how quickly am I able to
(37:47):
see that? And how much time do you need? Like
even the spotters who are looking for like what equates?
What what activates the we gotta throw a red flag
because to me, again, I could look at every single
play and be like, red flag challenge that that was
a hold, he held him, red flag challenged that that's
(38:10):
past interference. He held him like he impeded his progress,
he made contact with him beyond five yards. Whatever it
may be, what constitutes throwing a red flag? How egregious
doesn't have to be because some of these penalties that
don't get caught or I mean, you could consider them
(38:30):
to be horrible miscalls, but for what it's worth, they
don't get caught. You'd have to call a flag a
penalty every single place. So what is it? It impacted
the game? It was going to be a touchdown? Like
which one is it? Is it they made the call
and you could tell that it wasn't a great call,
(38:50):
or they marked the balls short on yardage? Like what
constitutes saying that like, this is something that we truly
have to challenge who's seeing it, because I doubt it's
the hete coach unless it's something that happened right in
front of his face or what he's looking at.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
I think the question becomes, should head coaches have the
ability if they ultimately have the decision it falls on
them to review something, so they have ability to the
same access that a broadcast booth does that, fans do
that reporters do up in the press box to be.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
Able to make that decision.
Speaker 4 (39:24):
I mean why not?
Speaker 1 (39:25):
And well, because I think there is an element of
like there's always that argument of this is how we
how we've always done it, so this is how we're
going to do it moving forward.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
I think there's always that case.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
And in most cases I would disagree with, well, that
doesn't make sense, like just because we've always done it
that way, that means that's how.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
You should continue to do it.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
But in this case, I do feel like there's an
element of decision making that has to go on the
head coach to make those decisions without having all the information.
I mean, that's part of why you get compensated, which
you get compensated.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
That seems like a total contradiction for Braid Quinn bro
No No, I just.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
I think it because here's the thing is, where do
you draw the line, Like, at some point you have
to draw the line.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
Are you gonna give these guys you.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
Know, phones, tablets, whatever, where they're constantly monitoring everything in
real time, and how are you if that's the case.
It takes away from the human element of what the
game is. And there's other sports where you see this,
I mean, any sport that's got you know, some sort
of clock like this. As much as you can kind
of call it time out and interject yourself, there's also
elements where it's harder once the game's in flow and
(40:31):
being played, when you're trying to communicate, com communicate, trying
to make decisions Like I just I feel like you're
gotta let the players be out there and play, and
in this case with a replay.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
I'm not saying.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
That you know they have they obviously have the ability
to get those angles up in the press box. I
just don't understand why giving him a monitor is going
to change anything, and especially if he's.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
Not the guy who's gonna throw the challenge flag.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
Anyway, And why and why would he be looking at
that versus looking at whatever it is he's looking out
on the field. That's my thing, Like if he could, like,
immediately upon the play kind of getting to its conclusion,
he starts looking at it. But I just feel like
that would be damaging to the flow of how a
(41:15):
coach approaches the game. That's that almost seems stressful, Like
I ain't gonna lie, like, even when you're calling games,
it's it's kind of up down, up down, up down,
up down, Like.
Speaker 4 (41:29):
It's like it's a challenge.
Speaker 3 (41:31):
I ain't gonna say it's it's the most difficult, but
it's a challenge to be able to create that balance
between being able to talk about what you're seeing and
it happening in real time and you taking your eyes
up and you're taking your eyes down. It takes some
getting used to.
Speaker 4 (41:50):
I just.
Speaker 3 (41:52):
I just don't see how that would would be a
healthy approach for a coach to have. Like I could
see if there was somebody standing right next to him
and was looking at the monitor and they're like, look
at this.
Speaker 4 (42:05):
Coach, like and even that being I'd get away from
me stop.
Speaker 3 (42:16):
I like get to that point by the end of
the first quarter, like what are you doing, bro? Like
not every single down, like wait, wait for something that's good?
Speaker 4 (42:26):
Like what are you doing?
Speaker 3 (42:27):
Just keeping you in the note coach, Like all right,
get the hell out of my face.
Speaker 4 (42:32):
I'm trying to call the game. Like, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (42:35):
I just think that it's just that to me, would
be intrusive to have a monitor in your face as
the plays are going.
Speaker 4 (42:44):
That's just me.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
I also feel like it wouldn't look right, you know,
Dan Campbell, that's a Donnis looking dude holding a tablet.
I don't know, And maybe maybe Mike McDaniel would look
better with it. I'm just saying I'm not sure he
would look quite the same, you know, you look quite like.
That is one of the piece of news we're going
to get to on the NFL front. There is no
invisible deadline for Aaron Donald's decision when to come back.
(43:09):
Those are the words of head coach Sean mcvayh with
the Los Angeles Rams. That's not surprising. I mean, does
anyone think that Aaron Donald's going to come back and
subject himself to speculation of playing in a preseason game.
I mean, I kind of look at this and say,
what's the point of him coming back now? Why not
wait until the organization is able to structure their roster decisions.
(43:30):
He gets a sens for it if he wants to play
in all seventeen games. I mean there's a chance that
maybe he doesn't want to do that. You know, maybe
he only wants to play in twelve, thirteen, fourteen. But
when you're talking about a first ballot Hall of Famer,
one of the all time greats to do it, Yeah,
there's not going to be a deadline on whatever he
wants to do. He gets to come back whenever he
wants to come back to help the Rams make a
(43:51):
Super Bowl run?
Speaker 2 (43:51):
Is that fair?
Speaker 1 (43:52):
And sang or do you think that's disrespectful to the
guys in the team?
Speaker 4 (43:55):
Now?
Speaker 3 (43:55):
I think it's fair. They've had the same defense court, right.
Shula's been the coordinator for how long.
Speaker 2 (44:05):
I'd have to look it up. I mean he hasn't
been for that long because.
Speaker 3 (44:08):
Past rush coordinator in twenty three, passing game coordinator in
twenty two, linebackers coaching, so he's been there. He's been
there for for an entire time. Twenty seventeen he came
in there. He's familiar with Aaron Donald. Aaron Donald is
familiar with him. If anything, Right now, he's watching film.
(44:32):
He's studying film, he's studying what his role is, what
the playbook looks like. It's probably the same exact thing.
So a couple of different wrinkles here and there for him.
Will they move him around as much? Will they slide
him as much as they did when he was playing before?
Will they set him to a side? What are they like?
(44:52):
How are they going to use him? Do you best believe?
On their big board and in their there's strategy sessions,
Aaron Donald is penciled in as as one of the players.
That's a part of their game plans. What his comfort
level is coming back, what he's able to do, how
he feels. I think that's gonna all come down to him.
(45:17):
But ultimately, I think what he's doing right now is
preparing himself with the playbook and what that looks like,
and watching film on what they're doing in praise, probably
watching the practice reps. I mean, it's so easy to
do now. All you got to do is sign in
right Like, It's not like, oh, send me over to
DVDs or you.
Speaker 4 (45:37):
Know, stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (45:39):
He can watch the practice film, watch what the schemes
look like, and that's probably what he's doing. He's probably
doing a ton of mental reps, a ton of mental
work while he works, he works off. It works out
like a workaholic, works out like an animal. So he's
probably continuing to condition himself. Yeah, but I think I
(46:00):
think he's probably very involved with what's going on game
plan wise and what they're anticipating and planning on doing
with using him, and that won't become evident until we
probably get to the week of the first game.
Speaker 1 (46:13):
I mean, look as last season was twenty twenty three,
so you know he was you're probably concerned a bit.
I mean, not that it's his age, right, he's probably
what thirty five, thirty six, But I think anyone who's
out for that period of time, the strength trainding is
one aspect. There's no doubt he's gonna be the type
of guy that's always going to be strong, He's always
gonna be in relatively good shape.
Speaker 2 (46:34):
But there is a difference in game shape.
Speaker 1 (46:36):
There is a difference in like the intensity that playing
in an NFL game puts on your body, the way
you your body has to react at times you know,
has to be prepared for the unknown force that's gonna
that's gonna be applied to you, whether that's in your
pass rush, you know, whether that's going up against the
double team, which I can.
Speaker 2 (46:53):
Assure you that was always the case while he played.
Speaker 1 (46:56):
So when he comes back, maybe they'll let him be
one on one for a few players before he proves
to them he's still the first ballot Hall of Famer
that he's always been. But I look at it and
just say, why would you rush that? I mean, he
knows his body, he knows the type of shape that
he's in, and he probably feels like he knows when
he's right and when he's not. This might be a
little longer build up than people realize, and if he's
(47:18):
cautious about doing it, it only makes sense. The last
thing you want to do is have all this hype,
all this anticipation, and you get out there and you
pop something because you rushed it or you feel like
you weren't physically prepared for some of that intensity. So
I just I would sit there and say, like I
would be as patient with him as I need to be.
I'm not sure the rams feel like there's I mean, look,
(47:40):
there's still gonna be a super Bowl contending team without him.
You add him to the roster only helps that much more.
But I also feel like if they added him to
the roster a week eight, week nine, would we look
at them any different.
Speaker 2 (47:53):
Probably not. No, we look at them the exact same.
Speaker 1 (47:56):
So I just to me, this has been a storyline
because it's fun to remo of a world where Miles
Garrett Aaron Donald are on the same defensive front and
we get to see what that looks like. I'm okay,
though if it doesn't happen for until week eight, week
nine we tennis season.
Speaker 4 (48:10):
You know, it's fine.
Speaker 3 (48:11):
I just people have talked about, oh my gosh, we're
going to get to see two of the best of
the best to ever do it, like to ever do it,
and like, listen, Miles Garrett is different and on another level,
and so it is Aaron Donald. But you we do know,
like maybe people forgot Aaron Donald and a Dominkin Sue
we're on the same defensive front one at one point
(48:31):
in time. At one point time, a Dominkin Sue and
Aaron Donald was on the same defensive front. So while
we act like we don't know what it would look
like to have two dominant forces up front.
Speaker 4 (48:48):
We do.
Speaker 3 (48:49):
We've seen it when a Domakin was at the end
of his career and was with a young Aaron Donald.
Speaker 4 (48:55):
We do know what it looks like.
Speaker 3 (48:56):
Now, it's just Aaron Donald's on on the back side
of his career and it would be coming out of
which he retired early. It's not like we're he's thirty
five years old. He's not crazy old. He's probably if
he if he had a serious injury, it would take
him a year to get through that injury. Maybe he
(49:17):
could come back, but it would probably take him a
year to get that trust in the body and in
the leg or whatever it is that he dealt with,
and then you that next year he's going to be
good to me. This is a scenario where you got
a perfectly healthy person, a person that probably works harder,
works out harder than what he did when he played,
(49:38):
and has given his body time to heal up and
get some some rest. I don't think he's so far
out of game shape that he won't be able to
adapt at his age and adjust to the riggers and
the pain that's connected to playing the position that he plays,
I think he would come back be a positive contributor
(50:02):
to what's going on.
Speaker 4 (50:03):
That's just my take on it.
Speaker 1 (50:06):
I want to remind people too, that year you're referring to,
when in Dominican Sue was with the Los Angeles Round
twenty eighteen, Donald did have twenty and a half sacks.
Speaker 2 (50:14):
He was the AP Defensive Player of the Year. That
was the first year Sean.
Speaker 1 (50:18):
Mcvagh and the Rams made the Super Bowl. Now they
did lose to the Patriots thirteen to three. That was
back in twenty eighteen, but you saw the impact that
it had on at least Aaron Donald's production and obviously
the team itself making it to a Super Bowl, not
winning it, but again making it to a Super Bowl.
Come up next year on two pros and a cup
of Joe, We've got the fsr IR And you know,
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