April 29, 2021 • 37 mins
Clay Travis examines yesterday's trade between the Panthers and Broncos for QB Teddy Bridgewater and what that means for both teams in the draft tonight. Geoff Schwartz joins the show to talk about his OL show that debuted on FS1 this past Tuesday, Penei Sewell, Bengals options, Niners, system quarterbacks, Kyle Shanahan, and more. Plus, Clay sets the table for the infamous Annual Outkick Listener Mock Draft!
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Sports Radio. We are rolling through the program here talking
about the NFL Draft. It is Christmas, and we are
waiting to see what the presence underneath the tree are
actually going to have inside them. Beginning at about eight
o'clock Eastern, all of the wrap will come off and
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we will find out who got the best presence, at
least with the idea of projecting going forward. In the
first hour, I gave you my final top ten. Trevor Lawrence,
Zack Wilson, Mac Jones, Aile Pits, Jamaar, Chase, Trey Lance,
Jalen Waddle, Justin Fields, J. C. Horne, and Patrick Certain.
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That is my final top ten. I am intrigued by
all the different moving parts here, and I would say
the last bit of data we got at least on Wednesday,
It's always possible that crazy things can happen throughout the
course of today. But I'm trying to figure out get
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into the mind of the Carolina Panthers and into the
mind of the Denver Broncos and what would lead them
to make the decision on the Wednesday before the draft,
for the Carolina Panthers to trade Teddy Bridgewater and for
the Denver Broncos to make the decision to grab him.
And to me, when you analyze this situation, ultimately it
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comes down to this. I think the Broncos are looking
at all the teams above them, and certainly they are
trying to find out through through as many different sources
as they can who's talking to who, what draft picks
might be being made, which teams are drafting which players.
And I think what is going on is that there
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is some knowledge in Denver that both Justin Fields and
Trey Lance are likely to be off the board by nine,
and that Denver basically made the decision we aren't willing
to spend what it would take to move up higher
into the draft in order to get one of these
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two quarterbacks. And so when Carolina came to them and said, hey,
we're sitting above you, We're at eight, we may go quarterback,
we might not. We don't know what's going to be
available to us, but we know that we don't want
Teddy Bridgewater anymore. Do you want to bring in tear
it Teddy Bridgewater and give Drew Lock someone to compete
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with and potentially be able to find a better quarterback
going forward than what you have right now without breaking
the bank and trying to trade up and get justin
fields or trade lance. I think Denver said, yes, we'll
make that move. So as a part of this move
that I believe that Denver is making, they are effectively
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letting it be known that in less justin fields or
tray lance falls to them, they won't be drafting a quarterback.
And more importantly, I think they are sending a significant
signal out there that they don't anticipate a quarterback being
available to them at nine. So that is, to me,
the rationale behind which the Broncos would have made the
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decision that they did to trade for Teddy Bridgewater. What
does it tell us about the Carolina Panthers. Well, let's
go into the Carolina Panthers mindset. They have made the
move to go get a still young quarterback in Sam Donald,
has had three years in the NFL awful situation with
Adam Gaze. The Jets have been a mess of a franchise.
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He's gotten sick, he's had injuries, he had mono, he
hasn't been able to play, and he's still a young guy.
That probably Matt Rule feels like is a reclamation project,
maybe along the lines of Ryan Tannehill, who also had
his own issues as a young quarterback with Adam Gaze
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finding the right rhythm and system to fit in Miami.
He goes to the Titans and Arthur Smith is there,
puts in a new offensive system and basically, for the
last two years, Ryan Tannehill has been one of the
ten best quarterbacks in the NFL. So that has to
be what Matt Rule is thinking. He's got Joe Brady
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really smart offensive mind. He believes Joe Brady and Matt
Rule probably that there is something that there is a
that there is a reclamation project to be had in
Sam Donald now Carolina in trading Teddy Bridgewater can be
seen as doing one of two things. However, either they
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are moving on from Teddy Bridgewater because they are a
certain that he has nothing left that they can gain
from in Carolina, which is probably true, and they want
to clean off any of the competition in Carolina and
let it be known that Sam Donald is their guy
going forward. That's one option. Or they moved on from
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Teddy Bridgewater the day before the draft because they are
looking above them and they are thinking, wait a minute,
we're gonna have the option to get Justin Fields, or
we're gonna have the option to get Trey Lance. We
have a young quarterback in Sam Donald. We believe he
can be good, but we would rather treat the Carolina
Panthers a little bit like a college football team. Bring
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in two really good quarterbacks and figure that if we
have two really good orderbacks, chances are we can have
one who is able to play at a high level. So,
thinking about the draft, the question is what are the
Carolina Panthers doing. It's easier to me to analyze what
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the Broncos are doing because I think they're saying we're
not willing to trade up for Justin Fields or trade Lance.
We don't think the price is worth it. We also
don't think they're still going to be available to us
later in the draft, and so we are going to
go ahead and bring in Teddy Bridgewater, We're basically gonna
punt on trying to make an aggressive move this season.
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Will hope that Drew Lock or Teddy Bridgewater are good
enough for us to compete in the a f C West.
Spoiler alert. I don't think that they are, especially not
when you're having to play against the Kansas City Chiefs
twice a year, and when you're having to play against
Justin Herbert, who probably is gonna be a lot better
with a new coaching staff in year two. I think
the a f C West is going to be really,
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really difficult going forward, and I don't think Drew Lock
or Teddy Bridgewater puts the Broncos in a position where
they're able to compete with the top echelon of the
a f C West. Remains to be seen exactly how
all of that is going to shake out, but I
think that is the decision that is being made by
those teams. Uh and so we'll have to see what
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exactly is going on, but I think that's where the
Broncos are more challenging. Like I said, for the Carolina Panthers,
you might be saying, why does this matter? Well, because
it kind of gets interesting, right because the Carolina Panthers,
if they are sticking with Sam Donald, are also letting
it be known, hey, we're willing to trade out of
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our spot at number eight. Because if you look at
the draft, and I just ran through my mock draft,
if you presume Trevor Lawrence, Zack Wilson, and Mac Jones
go one to three, and then the Atlanta Falcons draft
Kyle Pitts at four, and Jamaar Chase seems likely to
go at I've overall to the Cincinnati Bengals. I came
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up with what I think is a really intriguing idea,
the Dolphins trading out, the Steelers coming up. But there
are a bunch of teams there that are gonna be
waving their hand and gonna be answering the phone and
being like, hey, we felt pretty good about how the
first five picks are gonna go. Do you want to
try to get up? The Dolphins can be saying to
six to get one of your quarterbacks. Same thing can
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be said by the way of the Lions, who it
wouldn't stun me if they traded out, and the Panthers
could be looking there as well and saying, hey, we're
interested six, seven, and eight. These picks are for sale.
We think that somebody is gonna be willing to buy
to come up. So I think this is a really
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intriguing part of the draft. The draft may well start
at six, seven and eight, more so than it does
at one to three, four and five. If this draft
is gonna go it exactly like I am anticipating it,
which it seems like based on the betting markets, there's
a pretty good sign of all right, when we come back,
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we're gonna be talking with Jeff Shorts or breaking down
everything in the world of the NFL Draft and how
all of that will shake out. This is outkicked the
coverage with Clay Travis. We bring in Jeff Shorts. You
can follow him on Twitter at Jeff Shorts. He is
a former NFL offensive lineman. He has a brand new
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television program. I think I think it's on TV. I
can barely keep up with anything. I know. I've seen
it on digital clips. What are you working on right now? Shorts? Yeah,
So it was on TV. Debut on Tuesday, Big Boys
Club Draft Academy, um and so originally it was a
you know, it's a Gruden style quarterback camp. The profits
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one right, so we took the five offits a lineman
in the top two tackles. Tray Smith is probably a
second round of guard Queen Miners, a D three kid
who's worked himself up in the day two and then
creen Humphters go Foma Center, the multiple time All American
and the original brand was just for digital. It was
gonna be just for digital. You know, thirty minutes an episode.
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Um ended up getting FS one, so we you know,
we kind of paired things down. We did a lot
of storytelling in FS one, and then digitally we're gonna
put out like the full white board talk, the full
xCE and OS for all these guys. It's just hard
to fit all of that in. And you know, we
did this, not we I just filmed it, but the
editing crewman they did this in a month. Like we
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had hours and hours and hours of footage and they
managed to get this done in a month. They did
a heck of a job. And so yeah, it's the
it's a new series. I'm hoping that we do it
next year. I think there's a lot of thirst for
the offensive line position. All right, so let's talk about
the guys that you talked to. That you got to
know a little bit. Um, what stood out to you
about the two tackles that everybody is expecting to go
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in the first round? How would you break down their
games and what were they like as individuals? Well, Peney
Stool the kids from Oregon who I've known for a
while now obviously being over to um he's the best.
And what makes him unique I think as his background
he grew up in American Samoa, and um, he grew
up you know, I think like like a lot doing Samoa,
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you know, comfortable life for him at the time that
you know, he thought it was comfortable and and um,
you know, I asked him. He moved to say, he
was twelve, what was like one luxury item that that
we as Americans at that you know at the time
take for granted that you did view as a luxury
And he said a bet, he did have a bed
clay So he was twelve years old. They slept on
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the floor, all ten people in his family on the
floor in their one bedroom shack in Samoa. So when
you hear a guy talk about football like that, and
he talked about football as being basically you know, kind
of like you know, not saving his family, but allowing
his family some flexibility in life, and that you know,
no one's gonna take football away from him. No one's
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gonna on the field, no one's gonna going to keep
him from his dream of playing the NFL. Um and
you hear got to talk like that. You know, it's
it's deep down, right, It's really deep down. And so
I was extarting to hear him talk about that, And
there were songs Slater with killing Northwestern Man. Dad played
the NBA for eight years. He has like a lot
of it was up to um and he's so cerebral,
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so bright. He's the most polished past protector and the
draft as of now for for any for any officivelignement.
So it was a lot of fun to talk to
those two guys and Um, you know, and and pay
by the way, so twenty years old, go be drafted.
Imagine being drafted and playing the NFL twenty years old.
All right, let's go to both of those guys for
a second, because it seems that the earliest one of
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them could go would be five, potentially to the Bengals.
And that's one of the picks we've been at talking about.
You know for a while. Now what's Cincinnati gonna do?
What do you think Cincinnati should do? And what do
you think they are going to do? Because there seems
to be a lot of momentum for Jamar Chase at
wide seaver as opposed to pena sull or slighter here. Um,
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how would you break that down? Well, they should, they
should draft Penny, but they're they're not. They're gonna draft
to mar Chase. Um. And you know the I guess
the theory behind that idea is that you know, it's
a very deep offensive line class, which I don't disagree with,
But um, I would secure the offensive linement that you
liked first because we've seen that. You know that historically
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those guys at the top of the draft tend to
pane a little bit better than do the wide receivers
at the top of the draft. And you have an
opportunity to secure Pine. But they're thinking, is hey, we
can you know, draft uh kid out Fleutherwood or KOs
Tom or Eshenberg, I mean someone else in PI. And
again I wouldn't do that. I would drop the offensive
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lineman first, but they're not gonna do. They're gonna draft
to mar Chase. Um so brows probably asking for Jamaar Chase,
and that's what they're gonna do again. The best teams
NFL all have great off. At the lunch, we're talking
to Jeff Shorts. You can follow him on Twitter at
Jeff Schwartz. All right, tell me about the other guys,
because there's a lot of different stories. Uh, Tray Smith
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coming back from a blood clotting issue, which is which
threatened his ability to play, like you said, the Oklahoma Center,
and then a D three player that seems like he's
got a heck of a story behind him too. You
would love the Queen Miners, the kid from what such
a Whitewater man. He Yeah, he had he had to
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pay to go play football like D three they don't
they can't afford there's no scholarships. Yeah. Yeah, so he
has to pay, well, not exactically, he has to pay
to play football, specifically because they can't afford to feed
the team during training camp money. Yeah, and like yeah,
and they won the Cofferce Championship and he had to
pay money for a Cofference Championship shirts. They didn't give
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him shirts. I gets into the NFL and get whatever
you want, um and you mentioned Trey Smith and who
obviously you've known for a while now. It's really tough
to come into a program and not only was number
one lineman in the country, he was the number one
player in the country right in seventeen, I believe, um.
And that's a lot of pressure. And he played the
true freshman. He played the true sophomore that had the
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blood clots and his mom passed away with he was fifteen.
And so he's had a lot of adversity in his
life and and the way he's battled through that. He's
been great in the Knox community as well. Uh, he's
a great leader on that team. He's very fun to
root for. He's also about's a cowboy. Many with cowboy
and he hunts, he fishes, he plays video games. He's
like a very well rounded individuals. It was a lot
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of fun to talk to Trey, very mature man and
he is a good player Tennessee and is lucky to
have him. And the last one, Creed Humphrey's the center
from Oklahoma. Um, I mean, how many guys get to
block for for Baker Mayfield, Tyler Murray and Jalen Hurts
and time in Oklahoma and that's impressive to be in
charge of an offense that's been that good for so
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many years. And dad was a wrestling empy as well,
So there's a lot of there's a lot of family
ties here with a lot of success of their families.
We're talking to Jeff Schwartz. All right, let's go back
into the top of the draft where all of the
drama has been. We know what's going to happen at
one and two. What do you think the forty Niners
will do? What do you think they should do with
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their pick? Um? I think they should draft anyone but
Matt Jones, and I don't think they will. So it's
really interesting. I never thought they would draft mentions anyways.
But the one name they haven't talked about all of
Justin Fields. And we you know we you follow draft
long enough so by but the guy you kind of
don't talk about is the guy you end up drafting
for whatever reason, Like you're just afraid to talk about
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that guy because maybe the Jets want to draft Field
and and this will convince them that you're not you
don't like them, so they'll take Zach Wilson instead. The
only guy that has to been linked in its field.
And a lot of times teams don't talk about the
guy they're gonna draft. We hear this all the time
when probably gets drafted and they say, hey, hey, how
do you know that the Tennessee Titans wanted you? They're like, oh,
we didn't talk all they didn't come to my pro day.
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We could talk like and to me, they were so afraid.
It's an interesting angle there. It's it's like espionage. They're
so afraid that if they let it be known how
much they like a guy, that it could make another
team go back and reassess, and then they end up
taking him, especially if it's Kyle Shanahan, right, a guy
who's a legendary offensive mind, if you like justin Fields,
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the Jets are pricing themselves. Well, if you liked him,
what are we missing with fields? Right? Why would he
want fields and not dath Wilson um? And And also
this week has been very interesting because the Niners have
like forcefully come out and talked about their quarterback position,
and the talked about how they wanted one guy and
now they're okay with all five guys. So I do
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wonder if even maybe if they did like Mac Jones
if there was a medical issue or something came up
that changed their mind, because it does not make sense
for them to not know who they're going to draft
this late. If you even talk about it makes no
sense to it. Why would you say, you know, we
we don't care with anyone that we get like, it's
just just survibed. I don't quite get from them, um
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and I it's a it's very odd, man. I don't
I don't remember team trading up to this position and
then just being like, uh, yeah, I don't even know
what we're doing. It's just it's a third off situation. Um.
I got to text the resource that said they should
have waited, um until until physicals to make this trade.
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I try to press them on that. I don't know
what that means. There's no medical issues outide adjustin fields
with THEO, which just doesn't an issue. I don't know.
I'm curious what happens. And it's gonna be wild tonight.
We're talking to Jeff Short about the NFL draft. Obviously,
there's a lot of different moving parts. Uh. And one
of the things that's fun is, like I always compare
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it to if you're playing blackjack and somebody takes a
card that they shouldn't at the table, it sets off
the whole table into uh, into an uproar, like let's
say the dealer uh is uh. Let's say the dealer
is showing a six right like you should definitely not hit,
but somebody at the table hits, and then it just
kind of sets off a cascade of reaction that otherwise
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wouldn't have occurred. Right, Um, and so uh so is
there somebody out there that you could see making a
move that changes everything? And I'll give you an example.
Um if, for instance, uh, you had you have the
Atlanta Falcon sitting at four, and we expect that they
would take Kyle Pitts, but somebody suddenly comes running up
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to try to grab one of these quarterbacks. Because right
now is your point on Justin Fields. It seems right
now the odds markets are telling us, at least from
a gambling perspective, that it is more likely that Trey
Lance goes in front of Justin Fields. But as you said,
if the forty Niners suddenly took Justin Fields or didn't
take him, or Trey Lance they took or whatever else,
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like everything else kind of falls apart behind that, right,
So who's a player or a team that you look
at and you say, man, I think they could really
make a move that's unexpected that kind of reconfigures the
entire draft board. Well, I mean it suggests taking Justine
Field too. I mean then, which just seems very unlikely.
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But that's that's the one that would set everything off
in a spiral, which I don't think it's gonna happen.
Atlanta is really fascinating because there are teams that want
Kyle Pits and I don't think I don't think Atlanta
will take a deal to move out of that spot.
They want cop Pits. The distraft him. And once you
get past, you know, there's always a quarterback seems to
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free for all, and if it is Justine Fields, it's not.
It's not Christian stucking thirty second to Tampa Bay. It's
once you kind of clear for and you look at
the Bengals don't need a quarterback, that Dolphins don't need
a quarterback. Maybe the Lions do, the Panthers maybe maybe not,
and the Broncos someone you know, Washington or even maybe
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a Pittsburgh or maybe a New England like someone might
trade up to five or six or seven to get
justin fields if he does drop, I just I don't
quite get it. Play like we look at fields and
I don't know why we've decided he's the one that's
not only good. You watch this film, you watch him
play Clemson, you watch how tough he was, he played
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the big boy offense, and he entered this process as
the second quarterback. Now all of a sudden, you know,
imagine if he played in at b y U he
put up back Wilson numbers. Like, I just I don't
quite understand why we're down, unless, of course, unless there
is something with the interview process, or there's another medical issue,
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or you know, Ryan Day doesn't like him. I mean,
there could be always other things that happening behind the
scenes to push him down, But I just don't see
it based off of filmer. I watched him play every
game this year for Ohio State, and you're right about
the game that he put forward against Clemson. It was
as good as anybody would possibly play. But there were
several games where he didn't look anywhere near as good
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as a junior as he looked as a sophomore. To me,
Now this goes into how do you assess a COVID
year in general? Right? Because Ohio State didn't get a
lot of practice. Uh, they didn't play enough games to
really kind of hit their stride. It didn't seem like
to me, Uh, you didn't know who you were gonna
play sometimes, right, like you got COVID testing going on everywhere. Uh,
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and the Big Ten just you know, totally boggling, bungling
that process for a long time and not knowing. I
mean the same thing, by the way, in the Pact twelve,
I think pine Sewell, for instance, could be being hurt
because he decided to sit out. And even if he
had played the Pact twelve season, they didn't play enough games.
I wonder if that makes it harder to assess. And
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there's just some in fields in particular, like I can
go to three of the games probably that he played
last year, Jeff and just look at it and say, man,
they did not play well offensively. I mean an easy
one is Indiana. He got outplayed by Indiana's Quarterbackex played
way better than he did. And Um, I don't know.
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I think I wonder we we've talked about this some
we we haven't heard that the concept of a system
quarterback be discussed in a long time. But I think
you could say that about Mac Jones because of how
good Sark's offense was and how much talent there was
on Alabama and then to what comes into the league
and and didn't set the world on fire. I think
it's fair to say as a rookie. And I think
you could say the same thing about Ryan Day in
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Ohio State and because of Dwayne Haskins and what happened there.
He comes in in his second year and he's already
done with Washington. So there's a system quarterback argument that
could be made about Alabama and Ohio State. Yeah, I
mean I get that, and I get the equination to
do that, you know, but we've had had some trend breakers,
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right Pat Mahomes the Texas Tech and I broke that
trend here. We don't hear the system quarterback pejorative anymore. Right,
That was something that I think really got tossed around
a lot, and maybe the late you know, that's basically
from the late nineties up to the mid two thousands
or so, And I think it's because the position is changing,
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right where were we don't we don't even we almost
don't even we like the college film, but we project
the traits into the NFL. So I'll give you a
lot of examples here, so you know Matt Jones and
and many times ESPN does a great job. She had
a great tweet about this. She said, give me a
comp for Mac Jones in the last five years that
worked in the NFL. Because what we're seeing now is
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that the traits guys, right, the big arm guys, the
big strong guys, the you know, the mobile quarterbacks. Look
Herbert Alan, Lamar Jackson, Mahomes, Tyler Murray, right, these traits quarterbacks.
He's in convery is not big. He's got a big arm,
these big trade guys. You know, maybe the film wasn't
per prick in college, but you get him an NFL offense,
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you get him with a good O C and boom
they clicked. You know, Mac Jones ten years ago, to
your point, play was a number one pick, right, solid
pocket quarterback. You trusted him. He played a pro style
offense in college. He's able to come in right now
and play um and he would be number one pick
and no one would talk about it would be boomed
gone right. Trevor once he's too tall. You know, no
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tall quarterbacks when the NFL. I don't know. He runs
too much? Is he gonna stay healthy? Like all all
those questions would have happened for for what was Zach
Wilson too small, runs too much? Excume he throws off platform?
And and now that's what we wanted quarterbacks. We want
the trapes guys. We want the guys that you can
come in the NFL and say, hey, you have all
these tools, let's refine them. Mac Jones kind of is
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who is And that's why I think Shanahan is not
going to draft him. I don't understand trading up to
you your your next two first round picks for a
guy who's the lowest trade quarterback of these of these
five I've got. Yes, he's very bright, he knows what's
going with the ball, but I can argue that offense
kind of makes it easy for everyone to know where well.
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And here's here's the argument I've been making, Jeff, And
I'm curious about this. If he drafts Mac Jones, this
is Kyle Shanahan drafting Kyle Shanahan. And let me explain
what I mean by that. He's so frustrated I think
right now he feels like he has a super Bowl
team and Jimmy Garoppolo can't make the throw that needs
to be thrown at the right time to win a game.
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Right and you go to the Super Bowl, you were there,
your brother was playing in the game. He's got George
Kittle open on a third down play, he's the lead
receiver on that play. He misses him. He's got Emmanuel
Sanders for the touchdown that would be basically the walk
off in the Super Bowl, he misses him. Those are
and I don't sit around and watch x As and
os is anywhere near like you do, Jeff. But I
can just see the frustration in Shanahan where he's like, Hey,
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we've built a team that can win a Super Bowl.
What we need to do is just have a guy
who can execute the offense, who's gonna make the right
read because my offer into is that good. And I
think if you look at the available quarterbacks right now,
Justin Fields and Trey Lance have more in common with
Jimmy Garoppolo than they do with Mac Jones. And I
think this is like the when you break up with
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one girlfriend or one boyfriend, you go in the opposite direction.
I think that what has happened with Kyle Shanahan is
if he's drafting Mac Jones, he's gotten so frustrated with
the decision making and the failure to see the field
well at the time that they need to with Jimmy Garoppolo,
that he's going with the one guy that he feels
certain is never gonna miss George Kittle on third down
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when he's the lead option to extend to drive. Well,
you you are exactly correct with that thought process, right,
He's basically choosing scheme over player, right, And you're right.
In the Super Bowl, you could easily make the argument
that Kyle Shanahan offense got the guys open and Jimmy
did not execute right. So Shannyn looks in the mirror
and said, it's not my fault, my fault, it's Jimmy's fault.
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And I told you this, We talked about this. Yes,
I think that Jimmy was never a Niner. Again, like
as soon as they were getting off him, they're getting
off him, and so and just Mac Jones maybe he
makes so thross, but like Justin Fields probably makes that throw.
We see him make that for all the time. You
know deep deep passed over the middle field, Emmanuel Sanders,
like DoD Studs, can also run away. Trey Lance can
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make those throws and run away from him. And I
get it. But if my thought is Kyle Shanahan is
just so enamored with Kyle Shanahan's offense that he wants
the guy that is going to be the most likely
to just execute his offense, and I think he sees
mac Jones as that guy. If that's the pick, that's why.
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Now the question I have, and I think this is
a good one. Did he think, Kyle Shanahan that there
were other teams that loved mac Jones? Because you were
talking about how so much of this is subter subterfuge
and espionage, and you know who's talking and what stories
are out there. Who was he afraid of also trading
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up to go get the quarterback that he wants, whoever
it is. Because the one thing I don't believe is
I don't believe Kyle Shanahan when he says, hey, we
like all five quarterbacks, like we're find you gave up
so much to get to three, you had to know, Hey,
we love somebody who we want to take it three
and I will say this, like some people are gonna
criticize if it's Mac Jones. If you it doesn't matter
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what you give up if you get a quarterback who
plays for you for the next twelve or fourteen years.
Literally no cost you can give that's too much if
you're right about the right quarterback. I am all for
the idea of trading up to get your your friends quarterback. Again,
I just don't think it's Matt Jokes. Yeah. I like
the thought I like the thought process here. Um. I
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think maybe he thought New England would trade up for him.
I don't really know who he was afraid of. In
other words, yet, Yeah, if Matt Jones false past three,
who's dressing him? That's what I says. No one's trading
up for him. So it's like unless Kyle Shanahan had
some intel and maybe the New England Patriot's absolutely love
Mac Jones and he got to thinking, Hey, the Patriots
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are gonna move up to five or they're gonna move
up to four and they're gonna grab him. Uh that's
the only thing I can think. And obviously we we
are all operating under imperfect information because it's it's like
a you know poker game where you can't see the
It's not like you get to sit and look at
everybody's cards and figure out exactly what they're gonna do. Uh, Jeff,
enjoy the draft. I'm glad that it's finally here. I'm
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sure we'll talk to you next week and uh have
fun doing You're doing Fox Digital stuff out in l A. Right. Yeah, yeah,
we have a draft show tonight, so check it out.
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Where is Rashawn Gary projected? Is this a solid pick
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He is projected at the bottom of the first round.
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I think those are going to be the first five picks.
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Sports Radio. We are rolling through the program here talking
about the NFL Draft. It is Christmas, and we are
waiting to see what the presence underneath the tree are
actually going to have inside them. Beginning at about eight
o'clock Eastern, all of the wrap will come off and
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we will find out who got the best presence, at
least with the idea of projecting going forward. In the
first hour, I gave you my final top ten. Trevor Lawrence,
Zack Wilson, Mac Jones, Aile Pits, Jamaar, Chase, Trey Lance,
Jalen Waddle, Justin Fields, J. C. Horne, and Patrick Certain.
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That is my final top ten. I am intrigued by
all the different moving parts here, and I would say
the last bit of data we got at least on Wednesday,
It's always possible that crazy things can happen throughout the
course of today. But I'm trying to figure out get
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into the mind of the Carolina Panthers and into the
mind of the Denver Broncos and what would lead them
to make the decision on the Wednesday before the draft,
for the Carolina Panthers to trade Teddy Bridgewater and for
the Denver Broncos to make the decision to grab him.
And to me, when you analyze this situation, ultimately it
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comes down to this. I think the Broncos are looking
at all the teams above them, and certainly they are
trying to find out through through as many different sources
as they can who's talking to who, what draft picks
might be being made, which teams are drafting which players.
And I think what is going on is that there
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is some knowledge in Denver that both Justin Fields and
Trey Lance are likely to be off the board by nine,
and that Denver basically made the decision we aren't willing
to spend what it would take to move up higher
into the draft in order to get one of these
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two quarterbacks. And so when Carolina came to them and said, hey,
we're sitting above you, We're at eight, we may go quarterback,
we might not. We don't know what's going to be
available to us, but we know that we don't want
Teddy Bridgewater anymore. Do you want to bring in tear
it Teddy Bridgewater and give Drew Lock someone to compete
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with and potentially be able to find a better quarterback
going forward than what you have right now without breaking
the bank and trying to trade up and get justin
fields or trade lance. I think Denver said, yes, we'll
make that move. So as a part of this move
that I believe that Denver is making, they are effectively
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letting it be known that in less justin fields or
tray lance falls to them, they won't be drafting a quarterback.
And more importantly, I think they are sending a significant
signal out there that they don't anticipate a quarterback being
available to them at nine. So that is, to me,
the rationale behind which the Broncos would have made the
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decision that they did to trade for Teddy Bridgewater. What
does it tell us about the Carolina Panthers. Well, let's
go into the Carolina Panthers mindset. They have made the
move to go get a still young quarterback in Sam Donald,
has had three years in the NFL awful situation with
Adam Gaze. The Jets have been a mess of a franchise.
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He's gotten sick, he's had injuries, he had mono, he
hasn't been able to play, and he's still a young guy.
That probably Matt Rule feels like is a reclamation project,
maybe along the lines of Ryan Tannehill, who also had
his own issues as a young quarterback with Adam Gaze
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finding the right rhythm and system to fit in Miami.
He goes to the Titans and Arthur Smith is there,
puts in a new offensive system and basically, for the
last two years, Ryan Tannehill has been one of the
ten best quarterbacks in the NFL. So that has to
be what Matt Rule is thinking. He's got Joe Brady
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really smart offensive mind. He believes Joe Brady and Matt
Rule probably that there is something that there is a
that there is a reclamation project to be had in
Sam Donald now Carolina in trading Teddy Bridgewater can be
seen as doing one of two things. However, either they
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are moving on from Teddy Bridgewater because they are a
certain that he has nothing left that they can gain
from in Carolina, which is probably true, and they want
to clean off any of the competition in Carolina and
let it be known that Sam Donald is their guy
going forward. That's one option. Or they moved on from
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Teddy Bridgewater the day before the draft because they are
looking above them and they are thinking, wait a minute,
we're gonna have the option to get Justin Fields, or
we're gonna have the option to get Trey Lance. We
have a young quarterback in Sam Donald. We believe he
can be good, but we would rather treat the Carolina
Panthers a little bit like a college football team. Bring
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in two really good quarterbacks and figure that if we
have two really good orderbacks, chances are we can have
one who is able to play at a high level. So,
thinking about the draft, the question is what are the
Carolina Panthers doing. It's easier to me to analyze what
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the Broncos are doing because I think they're saying we're
not willing to trade up for Justin Fields or trade Lance.
We don't think the price is worth it. We also
don't think they're still going to be available to us
later in the draft, and so we are going to
go ahead and bring in Teddy Bridgewater, We're basically gonna
punt on trying to make an aggressive move this season.
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Will hope that Drew Lock or Teddy Bridgewater are good
enough for us to compete in the a f C West.
Spoiler alert. I don't think that they are, especially not
when you're having to play against the Kansas City Chiefs
twice a year, and when you're having to play against
Justin Herbert, who probably is gonna be a lot better
with a new coaching staff in year two. I think
the a f C West is going to be really,
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really difficult going forward, and I don't think Drew Lock
or Teddy Bridgewater puts the Broncos in a position where
they're able to compete with the top echelon of the
a f C West. Remains to be seen exactly how
all of that is going to shake out, but I
think that is the decision that is being made by
those teams. Uh and so we'll have to see what
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exactly is going on, but I think that's where the
Broncos are more challenging. Like I said, for the Carolina Panthers,
you might be saying, why does this matter? Well, because
it kind of gets interesting, right because the Carolina Panthers,
if they are sticking with Sam Donald, are also letting
it be known, hey, we're willing to trade out of
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our spot at number eight. Because if you look at
the draft, and I just ran through my mock draft,
if you presume Trevor Lawrence, Zack Wilson, and Mac Jones
go one to three, and then the Atlanta Falcons draft
Kyle Pitts at four, and Jamaar Chase seems likely to
go at I've overall to the Cincinnati Bengals. I came
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up with what I think is a really intriguing idea,
the Dolphins trading out, the Steelers coming up. But there
are a bunch of teams there that are gonna be
waving their hand and gonna be answering the phone and
being like, hey, we felt pretty good about how the
first five picks are gonna go. Do you want to
try to get up? The Dolphins can be saying to
six to get one of your quarterbacks. Same thing can
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be said by the way of the Lions, who it
wouldn't stun me if they traded out, and the Panthers
could be looking there as well and saying, hey, we're
interested six, seven, and eight. These picks are for sale.
We think that somebody is gonna be willing to buy
to come up. So I think this is a really
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intriguing part of the draft. The draft may well start
at six, seven and eight, more so than it does
at one to three, four and five. If this draft
is gonna go it exactly like I am anticipating it,
which it seems like based on the betting markets, there's
a pretty good sign of all right, when we come back,
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we're gonna be talking with Jeff Shorts or breaking down
everything in the world of the NFL Draft and how
all of that will shake out. This is outkicked the
coverage with Clay Travis. We bring in Jeff Shorts. You
can follow him on Twitter at Jeff Shorts. He is
a former NFL offensive lineman. He has a brand new
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television program. I think I think it's on TV. I
can barely keep up with anything. I know. I've seen
it on digital clips. What are you working on right now? Shorts? Yeah,
So it was on TV. Debut on Tuesday, Big Boys
Club Draft Academy, um and so originally it was a
you know, it's a Gruden style quarterback camp. The profits
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one right, so we took the five offits a lineman
in the top two tackles. Tray Smith is probably a
second round of guard Queen Miners, a D three kid
who's worked himself up in the day two and then
creen Humphters go Foma Center, the multiple time All American
and the original brand was just for digital. It was
gonna be just for digital. You know, thirty minutes an episode.
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Um ended up getting FS one, so we you know,
we kind of paired things down. We did a lot
of storytelling in FS one, and then digitally we're gonna
put out like the full white board talk, the full
xCE and OS for all these guys. It's just hard
to fit all of that in. And you know, we
did this, not we I just filmed it, but the
editing crewman they did this in a month. Like we
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had hours and hours and hours of footage and they
managed to get this done in a month. They did
a heck of a job. And so yeah, it's the
it's a new series. I'm hoping that we do it
next year. I think there's a lot of thirst for
the offensive line position. All right, so let's talk about
the guys that you talked to. That you got to
know a little bit. Um, what stood out to you
about the two tackles that everybody is expecting to go
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in the first round? How would you break down their
games and what were they like as individuals? Well, Peney
Stool the kids from Oregon who I've known for a
while now obviously being over to um he's the best.
And what makes him unique I think as his background
he grew up in American Samoa, and um, he grew
up you know, I think like like a lot doing Samoa,
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you know, comfortable life for him at the time that
you know, he thought it was comfortable and and um,
you know, I asked him. He moved to say, he
was twelve, what was like one luxury item that that
we as Americans at that you know at the time
take for granted that you did view as a luxury
And he said a bet, he did have a bed
clay So he was twelve years old. They slept on
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the floor, all ten people in his family on the
floor in their one bedroom shack in Samoa. So when
you hear a guy talk about football like that, and
he talked about football as being basically you know, kind
of like you know, not saving his family, but allowing
his family some flexibility in life, and that you know,
no one's gonna take football away from him. No one's
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gonna on the field, no one's gonna going to keep
him from his dream of playing the NFL. Um and
you hear got to talk like that. You know, it's
it's deep down, right, It's really deep down. And so
I was extarting to hear him talk about that, And
there were songs Slater with killing Northwestern Man. Dad played
the NBA for eight years. He has like a lot
of it was up to um and he's so cerebral,
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so bright. He's the most polished past protector and the
draft as of now for for any for any officivelignement.
So it was a lot of fun to talk to
those two guys and Um, you know, and and pay
by the way, so twenty years old, go be drafted.
Imagine being drafted and playing the NFL twenty years old.
All right, let's go to both of those guys for
a second, because it seems that the earliest one of
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them could go would be five, potentially to the Bengals.
And that's one of the picks we've been at talking about.
You know for a while. Now what's Cincinnati gonna do?
What do you think Cincinnati should do? And what do
you think they are going to do? Because there seems
to be a lot of momentum for Jamar Chase at
wide seaver as opposed to pena sull or slighter here. Um,
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how would you break that down? Well, they should, they
should draft Penny, but they're they're not. They're gonna draft
to mar Chase. Um. And you know the I guess
the theory behind that idea is that you know, it's
a very deep offensive line class, which I don't disagree with,
But um, I would secure the offensive linement that you
liked first because we've seen that. You know that historically
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those guys at the top of the draft tend to
pane a little bit better than do the wide receivers
at the top of the draft. And you have an
opportunity to secure Pine. But they're thinking, is hey, we
can you know, draft uh kid out Fleutherwood or KOs
Tom or Eshenberg, I mean someone else in PI. And
again I wouldn't do that. I would drop the offensive
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lineman first, but they're not gonna do. They're gonna draft
to mar Chase. Um so brows probably asking for Jamaar Chase,
and that's what they're gonna do again. The best teams
NFL all have great off. At the lunch, we're talking
to Jeff Shorts. You can follow him on Twitter at
Jeff Schwartz. All right, tell me about the other guys,
because there's a lot of different stories. Uh, Tray Smith
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coming back from a blood clotting issue, which is which
threatened his ability to play, like you said, the Oklahoma Center,
and then a D three player that seems like he's
got a heck of a story behind him too. You
would love the Queen Miners, the kid from what such
a Whitewater man. He Yeah, he had he had to
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pay to go play football like D three they don't
they can't afford there's no scholarships. Yeah. Yeah, so he
has to pay, well, not exactically, he has to pay
to play football, specifically because they can't afford to feed
the team during training camp money. Yeah, and like yeah,
and they won the Cofferce Championship and he had to
pay money for a Cofference Championship shirts. They didn't give
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him shirts. I gets into the NFL and get whatever
you want, um and you mentioned Trey Smith and who
obviously you've known for a while now. It's really tough
to come into a program and not only was number
one lineman in the country, he was the number one
player in the country right in seventeen, I believe, um.
And that's a lot of pressure. And he played the
true freshman. He played the true sophomore that had the
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blood clots and his mom passed away with he was fifteen.
And so he's had a lot of adversity in his
life and and the way he's battled through that. He's
been great in the Knox community as well. Uh, he's
a great leader on that team. He's very fun to
root for. He's also about's a cowboy. Many with cowboy
and he hunts, he fishes, he plays video games. He's
like a very well rounded individuals. It was a lot
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of fun to talk to Trey, very mature man and
he is a good player Tennessee and is lucky to
have him. And the last one, Creed Humphrey's the center
from Oklahoma. Um, I mean, how many guys get to
block for for Baker Mayfield, Tyler Murray and Jalen Hurts
and time in Oklahoma and that's impressive to be in
charge of an offense that's been that good for so
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many years. And dad was a wrestling empy as well,
So there's a lot of there's a lot of family
ties here with a lot of success of their families.
We're talking to Jeff Schwartz. All right, let's go back
into the top of the draft where all of the
drama has been. We know what's going to happen at
one and two. What do you think the forty Niners
will do? What do you think they should do with
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their pick? Um? I think they should draft anyone but
Matt Jones, and I don't think they will. So it's
really interesting. I never thought they would draft mentions anyways.
But the one name they haven't talked about all of
Justin Fields. And we you know we you follow draft
long enough so by but the guy you kind of
don't talk about is the guy you end up drafting
for whatever reason, Like you're just afraid to talk about
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that guy because maybe the Jets want to draft Field
and and this will convince them that you're not you
don't like them, so they'll take Zach Wilson instead. The
only guy that has to been linked in its field.
And a lot of times teams don't talk about the
guy they're gonna draft. We hear this all the time
when probably gets drafted and they say, hey, hey, how
do you know that the Tennessee Titans wanted you? They're like, oh,
we didn't talk all they didn't come to my pro day.
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We could talk like and to me, they were so afraid.
It's an interesting angle there. It's it's like espionage. They're
so afraid that if they let it be known how
much they like a guy, that it could make another
team go back and reassess, and then they end up
taking him, especially if it's Kyle Shanahan, right, a guy
who's a legendary offensive mind, if you like justin Fields,
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the Jets are pricing themselves. Well, if you liked him,
what are we missing with fields? Right? Why would he
want fields and not dath Wilson um? And And also
this week has been very interesting because the Niners have
like forcefully come out and talked about their quarterback position,
and the talked about how they wanted one guy and
now they're okay with all five guys. So I do
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wonder if even maybe if they did like Mac Jones
if there was a medical issue or something came up
that changed their mind, because it does not make sense
for them to not know who they're going to draft
this late. If you even talk about it makes no
sense to it. Why would you say, you know, we
we don't care with anyone that we get like, it's
just just survibed. I don't quite get from them, um
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and I it's a it's very odd, man. I don't
I don't remember team trading up to this position and
then just being like, uh, yeah, I don't even know
what we're doing. It's just it's a third off situation. Um.
I got to text the resource that said they should
have waited, um until until physicals to make this trade.
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I try to press them on that. I don't know
what that means. There's no medical issues outide adjustin fields
with THEO, which just doesn't an issue. I don't know.
I'm curious what happens. And it's gonna be wild tonight.
We're talking to Jeff Short about the NFL draft. Obviously,
there's a lot of different moving parts. Uh. And one
of the things that's fun is, like I always compare
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it to if you're playing blackjack and somebody takes a
card that they shouldn't at the table, it sets off
the whole table into uh, into an uproar, like let's
say the dealer uh is uh. Let's say the dealer
is showing a six right like you should definitely not hit,
but somebody at the table hits, and then it just
kind of sets off a cascade of reaction that otherwise
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wouldn't have occurred. Right, Um, and so uh so is
there somebody out there that you could see making a
move that changes everything? And I'll give you an example.
Um if, for instance, uh, you had you have the
Atlanta Falcon sitting at four, and we expect that they
would take Kyle Pitts, but somebody suddenly comes running up
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to try to grab one of these quarterbacks. Because right
now is your point on Justin Fields. It seems right
now the odds markets are telling us, at least from
a gambling perspective, that it is more likely that Trey
Lance goes in front of Justin Fields. But as you said,
if the forty Niners suddenly took Justin Fields or didn't
take him, or Trey Lance they took or whatever else,
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like everything else kind of falls apart behind that, right,
So who's a player or a team that you look
at and you say, man, I think they could really
make a move that's unexpected that kind of reconfigures the
entire draft board. Well, I mean it suggests taking Justine
Field too. I mean then, which just seems very unlikely.
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But that's that's the one that would set everything off
in a spiral, which I don't think it's gonna happen.
Atlanta is really fascinating because there are teams that want
Kyle Pits and I don't think I don't think Atlanta
will take a deal to move out of that spot.
They want cop Pits. The distraft him. And once you
get past, you know, there's always a quarterback seems to
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free for all, and if it is Justine Fields, it's not.
It's not Christian stucking thirty second to Tampa Bay. It's
once you kind of clear for and you look at
the Bengals don't need a quarterback, that Dolphins don't need
a quarterback. Maybe the Lions do, the Panthers maybe maybe not,
and the Broncos someone you know, Washington or even maybe
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a Pittsburgh or maybe a New England like someone might
trade up to five or six or seven to get
justin fields if he does drop, I just I don't
quite get it. Play like we look at fields and
I don't know why we've decided he's the one that's
not only good. You watch this film, you watch him
play Clemson, you watch how tough he was, he played
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the big boy offense, and he entered this process as
the second quarterback. Now all of a sudden, you know,
imagine if he played in at b y U he
put up back Wilson numbers. Like, I just I don't
quite understand why we're down, unless, of course, unless there
is something with the interview process, or there's another medical issue,
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or you know, Ryan Day doesn't like him. I mean,
there could be always other things that happening behind the
scenes to push him down, But I just don't see
it based off of filmer. I watched him play every
game this year for Ohio State, and you're right about
the game that he put forward against Clemson. It was
as good as anybody would possibly play. But there were
several games where he didn't look anywhere near as good
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as a junior as he looked as a sophomore. To me,
Now this goes into how do you assess a COVID
year in general? Right? Because Ohio State didn't get a
lot of practice. Uh, they didn't play enough games to
really kind of hit their stride. It didn't seem like
to me, Uh, you didn't know who you were gonna
play sometimes, right, like you got COVID testing going on everywhere. Uh,
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and the Big Ten just you know, totally boggling, bungling
that process for a long time and not knowing. I
mean the same thing, by the way, in the Pact twelve,
I think pine Sewell, for instance, could be being hurt
because he decided to sit out. And even if he
had played the Pact twelve season, they didn't play enough games.
I wonder if that makes it harder to assess. And
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there's just some in fields in particular, like I can
go to three of the games probably that he played
last year, Jeff and just look at it and say, man,
they did not play well offensively. I mean an easy
one is Indiana. He got outplayed by Indiana's Quarterbackex played
way better than he did. And Um, I don't know.
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I think I wonder we we've talked about this some
we we haven't heard that the concept of a system
quarterback be discussed in a long time. But I think
you could say that about Mac Jones because of how
good Sark's offense was and how much talent there was
on Alabama and then to what comes into the league
and and didn't set the world on fire. I think
it's fair to say as a rookie. And I think
you could say the same thing about Ryan Day in
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Ohio State and because of Dwayne Haskins and what happened there.
He comes in in his second year and he's already
done with Washington. So there's a system quarterback argument that
could be made about Alabama and Ohio State. Yeah, I
mean I get that, and I get the equination to
do that, you know, but we've had had some trend breakers,
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right Pat Mahomes the Texas Tech and I broke that
trend here. We don't hear the system quarterback pejorative anymore. Right,
That was something that I think really got tossed around
a lot, and maybe the late you know, that's basically
from the late nineties up to the mid two thousands
or so, And I think it's because the position is changing,
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right where were we don't we don't even we almost
don't even we like the college film, but we project
the traits into the NFL. So I'll give you a
lot of examples here, so you know Matt Jones and
and many times ESPN does a great job. She had
a great tweet about this. She said, give me a
comp for Mac Jones in the last five years that
worked in the NFL. Because what we're seeing now is
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that the traits guys, right, the big arm guys, the
big strong guys, the you know, the mobile quarterbacks. Look
Herbert Alan, Lamar Jackson, Mahomes, Tyler Murray, right, these traits quarterbacks.
He's in convery is not big. He's got a big arm,
these big trade guys. You know, maybe the film wasn't
per prick in college, but you get him an NFL offense,
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you get him with a good O C and boom
they clicked. You know, Mac Jones ten years ago, to
your point, play was a number one pick, right, solid
pocket quarterback. You trusted him. He played a pro style
offense in college. He's able to come in right now
and play um and he would be number one pick
and no one would talk about it would be boomed
gone right. Trevor once he's too tall. You know, no
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tall quarterbacks when the NFL. I don't know. He runs
too much? Is he gonna stay healthy? Like all all
those questions would have happened for for what was Zach
Wilson too small, runs too much? Excume he throws off platform?
And and now that's what we wanted quarterbacks. We want
the trapes guys. We want the guys that you can
come in the NFL and say, hey, you have all
these tools, let's refine them. Mac Jones kind of is
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who is And that's why I think Shanahan is not
going to draft him. I don't understand trading up to
you your your next two first round picks for a
guy who's the lowest trade quarterback of these of these
five I've got. Yes, he's very bright, he knows what's
going with the ball, but I can argue that offense
kind of makes it easy for everyone to know where well.
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And here's here's the argument I've been making, Jeff, And
I'm curious about this. If he drafts Mac Jones, this
is Kyle Shanahan drafting Kyle Shanahan. And let me explain
what I mean by that. He's so frustrated I think
right now he feels like he has a super Bowl
team and Jimmy Garoppolo can't make the throw that needs
to be thrown at the right time to win a game.
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Right and you go to the Super Bowl, you were there,
your brother was playing in the game. He's got George
Kittle open on a third down play, he's the lead
receiver on that play. He misses him. He's got Emmanuel
Sanders for the touchdown that would be basically the walk
off in the Super Bowl, he misses him. Those are
and I don't sit around and watch x As and
os is anywhere near like you do, Jeff. But I
can just see the frustration in Shanahan where he's like, Hey,
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we've built a team that can win a Super Bowl.
What we need to do is just have a guy
who can execute the offense, who's gonna make the right
read because my offer into is that good. And I
think if you look at the available quarterbacks right now,
Justin Fields and Trey Lance have more in common with
Jimmy Garoppolo than they do with Mac Jones. And I
think this is like the when you break up with
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one girlfriend or one boyfriend, you go in the opposite direction.
I think that what has happened with Kyle Shanahan is
if he's drafting Mac Jones, he's gotten so frustrated with
the decision making and the failure to see the field
well at the time that they need to with Jimmy Garoppolo,
that he's going with the one guy that he feels
certain is never gonna miss George Kittle on third down
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when he's the lead option to extend to drive. Well,
you you are exactly correct with that thought process, right,
He's basically choosing scheme over player, right, And you're right.
In the Super Bowl, you could easily make the argument
that Kyle Shanahan offense got the guys open and Jimmy
did not execute right. So Shannyn looks in the mirror
and said, it's not my fault, my fault, it's Jimmy's fault.
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And I told you this, We talked about this. Yes,
I think that Jimmy was never a Niner. Again, like
as soon as they were getting off him, they're getting
off him, and so and just Mac Jones maybe he
makes so thross, but like Justin Fields probably makes that throw.
We see him make that for all the time. You
know deep deep passed over the middle field, Emmanuel Sanders,
like DoD Studs, can also run away. Trey Lance can
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make those throws and run away from him. And I
get it. But if my thought is Kyle Shanahan is
just so enamored with Kyle Shanahan's offense that he wants
the guy that is going to be the most likely
to just execute his offense, and I think he sees
mac Jones as that guy. If that's the pick, that's why.
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Now the question I have, and I think this is
a good one. Did he think, Kyle Shanahan that there
were other teams that loved mac Jones? Because you were
talking about how so much of this is subter subterfuge
and espionage, and you know who's talking and what stories
are out there. Who was he afraid of also trading
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up to go get the quarterback that he wants, whoever
it is. Because the one thing I don't believe is
I don't believe Kyle Shanahan when he says, hey, we
like all five quarterbacks, like we're find you gave up
so much to get to three, you had to know, Hey,
we love somebody who we want to take it three
and I will say this, like some people are gonna
criticize if it's Mac Jones. If you it doesn't matter
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what you give up if you get a quarterback who
plays for you for the next twelve or fourteen years.
Literally no cost you can give that's too much if
you're right about the right quarterback. I am all for
the idea of trading up to get your your friends quarterback. Again,
I just don't think it's Matt Jokes. Yeah. I like
the thought I like the thought process here. Um. I
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think maybe he thought New England would trade up for him.
I don't really know who he was afraid of. In
other words, yet, Yeah, if Matt Jones false past three,
who's dressing him? That's what I says. No one's trading
up for him. So it's like unless Kyle Shanahan had
some intel and maybe the New England Patriot's absolutely love
Mac Jones and he got to thinking, Hey, the Patriots
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are gonna move up to five or they're gonna move
up to four and they're gonna grab him. Uh that's
the only thing I can think. And obviously we we
are all operating under imperfect information because it's it's like
a you know poker game where you can't see the
It's not like you get to sit and look at
everybody's cards and figure out exactly what they're gonna do. Uh, Jeff,
enjoy the draft. I'm glad that it's finally here. I'm
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sure we'll talk to you next week and uh have
fun doing You're doing Fox Digital stuff out in l A. Right. Yeah, yeah,
we have a draft show tonight, so check it out.
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Bubba just dropped. Let's move on to Antonio in Virginia.
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Where is Rashawn Gary projected? Is this a solid pick
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He is projected at the bottom of the first round.
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Gary's dad called it and took a number seven overall.
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Then I am going to be drafting in the third spot,
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fifth spot, dub will be drafting six spot. We will
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I believe seven out of thirty two is the best
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Trevor Lawrence, Zack Wilson, Mac Jones, Kyle Pitts, and Jamaar Chase.
I think those are going to be the first five picks.
I hope our crew does not screw this up. I'm
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You better not screw this up. You better take Kyle
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The Bengals seem like they're gonna take Jamaar Chase. So
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