October 5, 2021 • 37 mins
Jonas, Brady and LaVar share conspiracy theories about Monday Night Football's lightning delay in Los Angeles. Vic Fangio is a hypocrite for calling out John Harbaugh about player safety. Plus, the guys can't believe Matt Nagy still backs Andy Dalton as his starter and is so sensitive about being asked about play calling.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Is the best of two pros and a couple of
Joe with LaVar Are Brady Quinn and Jonas knocks on
Fox Sports Radio. Well, that was a weird one. We
will get into all of it, the details, the before,
the after, and all the stuff in between coming up
here and just a couple of moments from now. It
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is two pros and a cup of Joe. It's LaVar Arrington,
Brady Quinn, Jonas knocks with the here on fs ARE
and we're just happy we are safe and sound here,
Brady Quinn, because man, the weather out here in southern
California is just to be dealt with here, Can you guys,
Can you guys explain to me how you can spend
was a four or five billion dollars on a stadium
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have a roof, but yet still still be subject to
lightning delays? And I guess the explanation is that the
sides of of so Fi Stadium are open and so
there's enough exposure were you could be struck by lightning.
Like I am not, I'm not a mediogist. I don't
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know anything about whether outside of I I know to
not walk towards a tornado and if a hurricane is coming,
he should probably get inside. I don't even know what
the dude during an earthquake, Like I've been at Lay
when those have happened, and both times I've been in
a hotel room, I literally thought someone broke into my
room and was shaking my bed at some cheap parlor tree.
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And I'm like, I can never figure that one out.
But how in the hell do we have a lightning
delay when you play in a dome? Like is the
Gavin newsoon call in here? Need the city need to
like pause the whole entire thing for some reason, just
to just to flex his power. So basically what l
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A did is they built a five billion dollar gazebo,
is really what they did. That's though that so I'm
it's got a top of no sides. We're going to
protect ourselves from the rain. Oh wait, wait, howford you
think to do? Though? So I create this beautiful, pretty
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stadium and everything. The Olympics are gonna be, you know,
hosted there at some point, and then they're like, oh,
by the way, though, if there's lightning, yeah, we gotta
we gotta stop everything and make sure you wait what,
make sure you have your masks? That just that's the
most important thing here, folks. Bucky Larson was somewhere left.
Bucky Larson was somewhere in his own replica of his
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own stadium, and Vegas laughing likes is fully enclosed. I mean,
are we ready for it? You guys want a conspiracy
theory to start off the show early. You guys want
to conspiracy theory start off the show early? A little
weather delayed conspiracy theory? Alright, let me go ahead and
dust this one off. I think ESPN was behind it,
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and here's why. Because ESPN was looking for either an
excuse or a way to draw attention to try and
give it a little bit of a boost, all right,
So this was an excuse or a boost situation by ESPN.
So they thought, if we pushed the game back a
little bit, we cause awareness and we can create a
little bit of a story surrounding it. So everybody wants
to tune in and see what is everybody tweeting about
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what's going on here with this delay? Is this really
a weather delay and a dome? So they can boost
up the ratings because their number is going to look
so small next to what Sunday Night Football did on
NBC with the Bucks and the Patriots. So they'd either
got an excuse because there was a weather delay if
the number comes in small, or this was a concerted
effort to drive people to the television so they could
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boost that number and it doesn't look as bad next
to Sunday Night Football. Read them and we you know,
you know who wasn't a part of that conspiracy theory
that Randy Moss Hey, when Randy Moss's time was up,
conspiracy theory or not, Randy Moss was out? Man Booker
McFarland contracts, Steve Steve's Steve you know con Let's starts,
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she stayed, they were talking. You know who didn't Randy
Moss contract. That's the details this part. It was once
Moss you got most is over Randy's out. You were
a part of um. I mean look when when the
game actually did finally start, this is man. I hope
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that these teams stay somewhat decent for the next five times.
That's gonna be a fun matchup to watch for the
next five ten years. Like that's a good rivalry matchup.
The Raider fans were dwarfing the Charger fans. Uh, you
know it was was it probably what do you say?
Probably it felt like I'm gonna say dwarfing because it
was kind of even. It was loud for both teams,
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but to be away as the Raiders and it to
be as loud as it was like it was a
home game was certainly interesting. What did the been a
part of games like that too? By the way, I
played for the Washington football team. When Philly came, way
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more fans, when the Steelers came, way more fans. The
Steelers really way more fans. Washington's got a loyal fan base, man,
they do. But nobody wanted to go to that dump.
You know. We never had a lot of fans in
the stadium. Like the only time I saw that place
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jamming like jam pack jam pack was when Reggie Push
and USC came and played Virginia Tech there. That was
the only time I looked at the stadium. I'm sitting
in my box, my my owner's suite. Look at you, No,
I was, Mom was next to his that we were
that close by the way, I had owners box. We've
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talked about Little Danny's chid was out ripping up the
pool tables. They were sitting there like it's like somebody
was trying to tell him to stop. They're like, do
not tell him to stop ripping that table? What's ripping
the felt off? The pool was tearing that table up.
They were like, do not stop him. They're like what,
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They're like, that's Daniel Snyder's son. You ground his ass
on Halloween. That happens. They was letting him tear that table.
I digress. Yeah, that that that Virginia Tech USC game.
You saw it, but you never saw it like Pittsburgh Philly.
They came in town. It was it was it was
you felt like you were at their stadium. What a
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Brandon state? They said? Was it? Brandon Staleo said that
the Chargers were prepared to operate on a silent count
and their own state in their own stadium. Well, I
mean it's it's kind of their own state and they're
more renters than anything cold. But I mean it's not
the Vegas the Vegas Raiders. Sum Yeah, it was last
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night though. Is that it was the Stable Center? Is that?
Is that because the Clippers are actually the kings of
the Stable Center and then the Lakers are just renters there.
You know that's based on because you go based on
previous playoff R Why are we gonna get buzzers? I
don't know. I don't know what's going on. I'm not
even from here, and I know that's why you're correct.
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I don't even know. Are we sure that's not correct?
I listen, I mean I had heard that, Well, the
the L A Kings are left. Yeah, well the L
A Kings are actually the I think they run the
stables side. You know. Furthermore, Brady, what do we always
say when we get too points like this in the show?
Who cares? Exactly? That is a that is a solid
point there? Justin Herbert man um is he is he
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in the m v P conversation? Is he on the
shortlist of names or guys in the m v P conversation? Right?
You know? I want to make sure I'm careful not
to cut off Brady today because I got totally blesseded
on Twitter yesterday. So do you gotta stop this? I
just want to make sure, well, I have time sometimes
so I want to be sad to our listeners, you
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know what I mean. So I don't care. I don't
want to cut operate. So let me just quickly just
say that, uh, justin Herbert is a guy. He's a guy,
and yes, the answer is yes, he's got to be
in the conversation to to throw for over two hundred
yards to put three t d s up against a
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what looks to be a formidable Las Vegas Raiders team.
That they didn't lose that game because they weren't good enough.
They lost that game because the l A Rams or
excuse me to l A Chargers were better. They outplayed
them and largely in part because of the way Herbert played. Yeah,
it was really a third quarter, which is bad for
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other Chargers. But I will be quiet now, come on,
I will be quiet now. I would say this over
and over and over. This is for whoever whoever is
listening to this. I don't know why we ever pay
attention to people's opinion who we'd never asked for their
opinion in the first place. I really don't like I
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say that to people all the time when they look
at social media that come back will be upset about it.
I'm like, but do you just go out to social
media and say, hey, I think about getting dinner tonight?
Where should I go? Like? If you actually buy that, well,
I have actually see I'm never one of those people.
I'm like, I'm not trusting a bunch of people I
don't know who don't know me, Like, why why would
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I ever trust that? Opinion is it's like it's like yelp.
Basically yelping Yelp gave people the green light to snitch.
I've got I've got a buddy who's like that. By
the way, he'll be like, he'll come in my hometown
over where I live. He'll go, yeah, this is this
has a great star winning on Yelp. I'm like, get
out of here, nerd, get out of and go sit
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at a different table. All right, we'll be at the bar.
We'll meet up with you in a minute. Okay, tell
me where I need to go get a chocolate croissanti,
which are amazing chocolate. Heat it up. By the way,
is freaking so of P ANDV today, you know, Hey,
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I woke up, dude, it was it was one of
those days, LaVar. My back is done. Like I tried
to I love running. I tried to run a little
bit yesterday and now I literally woke up my backs
locked up, and I was like, I'm not old enough
to be having these sort of back issues. And I'm
I'm walking around like an old man. But anyway, I digress.
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We had more time. We were talking about Herbert m Yes,
what do you think I think he's. I think he's
one of the best young quarterbacks in the league. Um.
The M v P Race is unfortunately an award that
we always tie into, like, you know, whoever is on
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one of the top teams and also playing well. It's
almost like the Heisman. It doesn't always go to the
best player, it just goes to the to one of
the guys was one of the best players one of
the best teams. So, you know, I think he's one
of the best players. I think he's he should be
in that conversation. I don't know that he is necessarily
only because you've got a guy within you know, you
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know out west on that that side of the country
that's making some waves and Kyler Murray what he's doing.
You've got some other guys who I think, you know,
like Mahomes in his division, that the way he plays
makes you think, gosh like it it's he he just
he is dazzling with the way he throws and moves around.
Herbert's got a cannon and it's fun to watch as
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a quarterback. And it's it's also fun to watch just
the way they scheme it up, Like if you notice
they don't really try to do a ton of quick game,
like they're not doing a ton of r P O
s or they're not doing a ton of like quick game.
And I always wonder is it important to his strengths
where he's a bigger, long arm guy, Like when you
watch his throwing motion, you break it down, it's it's
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quick for how big he is, but it's not like
one of the quickest just because his damn arms are
so long. He's six ft six, like he's a huge dude.
And so when he cranks that thing up, it looks
like he's in the hammer thrower or something. But that
ball comes out there with a vapor trail. So it's
it's like you're watching goal. Why would they throw anything
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less than thirty yards downfield? Like, as long as they
could protect him long enough, I would just be throwing
absolute seeds forty yards downfield because he's got the rocket
arm to do it. So I think he is one
of the best. I would say he's up there for
one of the most valuable, because what are they seven
and won their last eight games. Like, if he's not
the quarterback last season, if they don't puncture to Rod
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Taylor's long Yeah, like I don't know when you see him,
and I don't know what that looks like and how
you know if impacts this year? Um, And maybe maybe
that's a conspiracy theory, you know, maybe the music going,
Maybe maybe they were like trying to find a way
to get Justin Herbert. Maybe he's going to Taylor will
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and the I Heart Radio app. So here is the
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Here's basically what has happened in the game on Sunday,
A game in which Baltimore went into Denver UH and
just laid the lumber to the Denver Broncos. The the
Baltimore Ravens got the football back and instead of taking
a knee on the final play, they had Lamar Jackson
run outside for a five yard game because they were
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trying to tie a an NFL record forty three straight
games of a hundred yards rushing as a team that
was set by the Steelers back in the mid seventies,
and so nobody really knew kind of what was going
on in the moment until afterwards it was revealed and
Vic Fangio, the Broncos head coach, was asked about it
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after the game, and he had this to say on Monday.
I thought it was kind of but I expected it
from them. Thirty seven years in pro ball, I've never
seen anything like that. That's just their you know, mode
of operation. Their player safety is secondary. Can I just
start off before we get too far away from this.
That's the way they do things. I expected that from
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that outfit. But he said, I've never seen this in
my entire career. All right, let's go from there. Let's
move on from there. You've never seen this, but yet
you expected to see this from them. So John John
Harbaugh had his his press conference after Vic Fangio's Thank
god for that, because he was asked about the situation,
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and here was his response. I thought we were on
good terms, nice yet before the game, knowing each other
for a long time. But I promise you I'm not
going to give that insult one second thought, what's meaningful
to us might not be meaningful to them. There can
turns are definitely not our concern. We're gonna try to
get the yards, and we got it back with three
seconds left, So you're throwing the ball in the end
zone the ten seconds left. I don't know that there's
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a sixteen point touchdown. It's gonna be possible right there.
So you know that didn't have anything to do with
winning the game. Alright, So who wants first DIBs at all? This?
Can I just point this out? You just heard both
coaches speak, and they both bring up points that I
think are valid. Okay, Vic Fangioe is talking about it
from a player's safety standpoint. So is it the safest
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thing to have your team run another play on what
could be a meaningless down with three seconds left just
to be able to get a record. Of course it's not,
But it's it's it's it's obviously meaningless, much like the
touchdown that you just had, that's meaningless, Or you're trying
to go for a touchdown when you're down by two scores.
Says that's meaningless too, So he he almost sounds I
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don't want to say like a hypocrite, but that's what
it is. But that's what it is. Like he's complaining
about John Horrible on the Baltimore Ravens running a meaningless
play when he just did that, like he literally just
did that. So that's hypocritical in the first place. And
my overall statement is this, My overall statement and feeling
is always this. When you're losing the game, you don't
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get to determine how it ends, Okay, Like that is
the part on John Harrbor on the Baltimore Ravens, Like
guess what, Bud, they came into your house, they spank
your butt. They get to choose whether they want to kneel,
whether they want to do an orchestrated group dance with
all eleven players with that final three seconds, whether they
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want to kneel, whether they want to invite someone to
come out and go streaking, Like they get to choose
how whatever they want to do in those final moments
of the game where they have the football because they
spanked you. Like that's how it works. That's football, that's
life when you're when you're winning, you get to choose
how you want this ending to go. So I think
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there's ruth on both sides of it, and and and
honestly it comes off as a little bit more sore
and hypocritics for the Denver progress and if he is,
it's also because he's a defensive minded head coach and
his defense. I couldn't snap the streak and so they
got a hundred yards put up on me. But here's
the thing, right, you could ultimately think and say that
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victory formation is the most disrespectful play in all of
football if you as a defender, if you go watch
my film, I blast dudes. I'm that dude. I am,
and I used to have all my teammates doing it.
We're gonna blast you on victory formation. I'm the one
where we're pushing and shoving at the end of the
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game because it's almost when you think about it, victory formation,
it's like, yeah, we don't need to take another play.
We're gonna take a knee right in front of you,
right here. No no risk of fumbles, no risk of anything.
Just we're gonna take a knee. And you know what,
I try to hit the center or the guard. I
try to hit him as hard as I could. I
knew I wouldn't get the I knew we weren't gonna
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change the game, but I'm a blast you right in
your face. Right, So to me, in the end, are
you thinking about your offensive lineman and if they could
get hurt because they're sitting ducks and we know that
you're not running a play, so we're going to haul
off some guys. They just shake hands on touch your
shoulders like all right, it plays over. You kneel like,
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but some guys are coming, still coming for blood. And
so to me, I I listen. First of all, Brady
made a dope point. That's a dope point that you
can't win the game. So are you worried and concerned
about the health of your guys while you're trying to
make it a closer game even though you can't win.
You don't have to the you gonna let them run
into the end, let the touchdown? What about players safety?
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Do you you? You still got games ahead of you,
while you still got your starters in trying to score,
and you can't win the game. So but I just
think that that is sore. He was sore. Something upset
him about it. He felt disrespected that that Lamar Jackson
got his record. I mean if he be honest, and
I think there was maybe a little frustration with you
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lose Teddy Bridgewater, who has come in and really helped
this team. He helped this team though get to this point,
like he was that key ingredient that they were missing
at the quarterback spot to be able to help their
team just take care of the football allows defense to
do their thing. So I think he was frustrated, and
I think he I think he when you go back
and watch the tape of that hit by the way one,
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I was about to say, you didn't see who it was,
right right, I don't know and he's he's a stud,
he really is. That being said it, he may have
gotten away well, it wouldn't be targeting, it would be yeah,
unnecessary roughness since uh the quarterbacks considered defenseless. But he
may have gotten away with it. I remember seeing in
real time. I was like, oh, that was kind of
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interesting because it looked like he hit his chin, but
it didn't look it looked like he was trying to
get his head out of the hit and he led
with the shoulders. So I was glad they didn't call it.
He even though it still ended up in Teddy Bridgewater
getting knocked out. About to say whether it was whether
it was a personal foul or whatever, rough in the passer.
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Teddy was done for today. That's what the frustration. It's
just funny how Fangio acts like he's running up the score.
It's five yards, literally it was. It was five yards.
It was a five yard draw. But you're gonna make it.
But you made it about health and safety, like this
record was more worth more than health and safety. Like
here's here's the one thing that Baltimore has been at
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least accused of is that I'm just listen, man. We
can try and dismiss this all they want. They made
a concerted effort to break the consecutive preseason win streak
off this offseason they did. I mean, lamar in there,
all those games everything. I thought it was ridiculous. Brady
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comes on the air talking about, oh my god, they're
trying to go after the preseason consecutive wins records. It's
like you buy anyone on social media who gets upset
when we cut off Jonas. It's the reality that he's
lying to you and you basically what you want him
to lie to you, and we just have to sit
there and take you like that. That's essentially what they
want to happen. This look. I just think this is
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this is pretty funny, these two, these two guys going
at it. Vic Fangio, I like Vic Fangio, I like
John Harball as well. Bring up one more thing. Yes,
I'm asking you guys a question here. Is this a
Horrorball thing? Because do you remember when Jim Harball was
coaching Jim Schwartz got a I think I think like
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the Horrorballs are not very well liked, and I think
it's one of the reasons why. You know, when Jim
Harriball was looking for a new defensive coordinator at Michigan,
who do you tap? Mike McDonald's brother, he said, He said, Hey,
John or John, who can you give me? Says Mike McDonald,
young enough coming coach, you should bring him in as
your d C. But like he can't really get anyone else.
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I won or if there's a little bit of this, uh,
I don't know. Maybe there's a lot of people out
there are a big fan of the Harball family. Is
such a likable figure. But you could tell on the slide,
on the sneak he's just like his brother, and his
brother is just insanely. You don't like him. You just
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don't like him. He just wanted him to. You just
don't like it. You don't like the way he looks,
you don't like the way he moves. You just you
just don't like I don't like Michigan. Well listen and
Petro's talks about this that John Harry or Jim Harbaugh
and Pete Carroll remember they got into it when when
he was coaching at Stanford and UH and Pete Carroll
was at US Seed where they did that what's your problem,
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what's your deal? Because Stanford went into USC and just
speak their ass, like by by twenty or thirty whatever
it was, and they were significant underdogs, and so Pete
Carroll was pissed off about it. Which is funny about
that because pizza type out does that to it's remember season.
I remember in pre season with the Seahawks and he
was like, Hey, I'll tell you this, It's not our
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job to worry about whether or not they're prepared. He's like,
we're gonna kick their ass for four straight quarters. This
is a preseason games. I'm like, all right, I like this,
let's dud this dude's fired up for a preseason game.
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Jonus and Brady are just fine. Yeah, so we got
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what I've learned with Jonas is just don't set your
expectations high and you'll never be disappointed. Well there you go. Yeah,
thank you. More more compliments from good buddy there, Brady Quinn, good,
good buddy there, Brady quick. How are you doing? Yeah,
how you're doing? Just a good person right there, through
and through. Just this guy, Brady, I'm just a wonderful guy.
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I'm just moments I'll be over here. Hate you guys.
All right, So let's get into somebody that's in denial,
Matt Naggie. This is gonna be a lot of fun.
So um, we'll just get this out of the way.
First of all, he announced that Andy Dalton will be
the starter once he's healthy. So once Andy Dalton's healthy,
is gonna be the start again? Adamant about is healthy?
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Like Ky, just play things week to week. You're not
you're not a great football team like I just played
out week to week. So it's best for you guys
to win week to week. What's wrong with that? I
think he's got money on number of starts for Andy
Dalton this year, and he's got the over and so
maybe he's you know, just continues to want to push
that out there because he wants to make sure that
he wins his bet. But so there's that. So even
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though they want on Sunday, um, you know, Matt Naggie
says that Andy Dalton is going to be the starter.
What he's healthy. Uh. Matt Aggie also is getting a
little fed up with the play calling questions in Chicago
Bill Laser, the offensive coordinator. There was some speculation as
to who was calling the plays on Sunday, especially the
opening drive. They looked really good and felt like that
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had an actual true game plan, and so Matt and
Hagey gave this fun little answer about the play calling
after the game for the Chicago Bears to the media
in regards to the play calling, Uh, building a great job,
you know, and I think that I felt good out
there as a head coach and that's real, you know. Um,
But we all get together. We talked through, um how
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we're gonna call the game, and we do that when
when I'm when I'm calling plays too, you know, I
mean us as a staff we get together and and
in the end I get a great opportunity to say
yes I like this or no I don't. As the
head coach right in charge of all that. That that's real,
and I feel like building a great job today. Our
players did a great job, are coaching staff did a
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great job, and we played collectively together as a team,
not just players, not just coaches, everybody. And when you
have that, it's a good feeling. So we'll continue to
just keep talking. We'll continue to but but again, like again,
with all due respect, all due respect, that it's going
to be the last time I talk about it. That's
how that's done, right there, folks. That is how you
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showcase your true denial as a head coach in the NFL.
That is how it's done. That is the blueprint for
how to communicate your insecurities of a bunch of microphones.
Can I ask you guys some questions? Please? Do I've
got questions? Very good how he ended it with all
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due respects, I mean, first off, okay, like so you're
saying that you're telling them the media, who have a
job to do that at this point in the season
or a quart of the way through in the second, third,
or fourth quarter of the regular season because this teammate
go in the playoffs, right, that they can't ask you
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about the play calling and question it at any point,
and you phrased it with all due respect, Like what
does that mean? So it's gonna get feisty if they do.
Like I just I don't understand that point. A lot
of coach talking, Oh yeah, we're gonna keep that communication going, well,
of course you should. What are you guys not gonna
talk to each other throughout the course of the year
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about play calling your game planning. I don't understand why
he stated the obvious too, that he gets to decide
or choose, like what coach, head coach, right, that's that
what they're supposed to do. I'm telling you this as
the head coach though, I'm telling you that right right,
And then you know, look, Bill Laser was supposedly calling
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the place last year where I think there was a
noticeable change and uptick in their production at a certain
point in the season. What changed? And why did Matt
I'm gonna say Neggie because like that's how some people
pronounce his name for some reason. Why did he take
over the play calling at some point in time to
start the year because he's in't scare right, But then
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when they go back to Laser and they get a
win because he be good, Well, okay, then at least
with this question, why did he get the job again
in Chicago because they thought he was because he he
coached He called players for eight games in Kansas City, UM,
which ultimately led to a playoff loss in the opening
round of the Titans. That's I mean, like that, that's
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what the resume is. So I don't know, I don't know.
He certainly, he certainly is entertaining demons, though the way
he responded, he was responding to something that was more
self internally driven, that wasn't question driven. Like the way
he responded, it's almost as though it's like it's almost
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like his kids were like dad, coach Laser did such
an amazing job calling the game. He's my buddy, He's
my new dad. It's like the way he was the
way he answered that question, it was like, why are
you guys forgetting about me? Like do you understand if
Laser calls a great game, it's because I'm the head
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coach and I made the final decisions as to why
this is going to take place. So you think he
doesn't think he's get enough credit. I mean, that's clearly
so I have some questions. All right here, here's a
couple of follow ups I have. Um, is this Matt
Naggy sort of covering his tracks because if things go
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as poorly as they appear to be going in Chicago
and he's out after this year, he'd like to be
hired on as an offensive coordinator and a play caller. Again,
you want to keep your options open. Okay, So so
there's that, So he's looking after that. Also on the end, well,
how do you become a head coach? Again? You gotta
stay in it. You got you gotta you gotta keep
your part of that craft going. So, yeah, it's your point.
He's he's got to get into the play calling. So
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then on the Andy Dalton question, we've talked about it,
how coaches have egos. Do you think that Matt Naggie
looks at Andy Dalton as this opportunity and also, man,
if I can make Andy Dalton revitalize his career, what
does that say about me moving forward? No, that's it's
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total self preservation. It's not it has nothing to do
he believes that he can win with Andy Dalton. That's
his in in his mind. Just and even just listening
to what his sound bite just was, He's he's he's desperate.
That's a sound of a desperate coach. Don't you think
his assistant to know that? If you if you're Bill
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Laser and you hear that, Brady, aren't you thinking to
yourself like, dude, really baby? I would just say this, Generally,
veterans give you a more confidence because because football is
a game of preparation more so than it actually has
like performance on the field, you practice more than you
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actually play in games, and so veterans give you the
sense of confidence because what Andy Dalton got there, I
can assure you from day one, he's been a better
practice this player. He's had a better feel for how
to lead, what to do, how to communicate. And that
gives a head coach. That gives a play caller more
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confidence in him, more confidence in their abilities as a
play caller. Things are going to work. Whereas a rookie
is coming in there and they're learning everything for the
first time. Again, you've played football, but it's different when
you get in the NFL. Your preparations different each week,
you can have drastic changes in the types of players
you're running and how you're calling them and what you're
being asked to do as a quarterback. So because of that,
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I almost think that there's this element of he's convinced
himself because of the off season, because of practice and
how he probably feels going into games and him feeling
like he could call any any play then compared to
justin Fields, who has more upside is obviously gonna look
better in practice the more he's in the league, second year,
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third year, etcetera. But I think there's a big emphasis
on that, especially with coaches. And I don't know how
you feel about that, Lavore and as a player, but
like I remember sometimes having some of the worst practices
or weeks of practice, and then you go when you
play well in the game or the team goes out
and gets a win, and you're like, oh, all right,
that really didn't amount to anything. But a lot of
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coaches think and feel that way, like they need you
to have a great week of practice so they can
feel good about the game plan and the players are
gonna call and what they're going to do. And I
think when you've got a veteran like Andy Dalton has
played a long time and justin fields, there's a stark
contrast between the two, and that might be a reason
to why he's so adamant about Dalton giving them the
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best chance to win once he's healthy. The one thing
that coaches maybe don't realize sometimes is the amount of
exchange emotional energy, exchange that takes place between them and
their players as as players. We always lost to Michigan
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when I was at Penn Stay. Always we were better
than Michigan two out of the three years that I
was there. Last year that we were there, we were
uh an entire body above better than Michigan, and they
still beat us. And we started, you know, we would
look back on and talk about it, and it's like, man,
during the course of the Michigan week, the coaches were
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way different, way different. The teams that we were supposed
to be coaches were loose, they were were you know, jovial.
They they they just did things differently. And then those
games that they felt like, we're the most important games
to them that we needed to prepare a certain type
of way for and handle things a certain type of way,
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they were different. Their energy and the meeting rooms were different,
the way they coached you on the field was different.
And and it's like, when you're that type of guy,
which this is what I'm hearing in Naggie's voice and
in his interview, when you're that type of guy where
it's like, I want you to have this credit coach laser,
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but just know that you need to make sure you
acknowledge my my involvement in this right that means I've
had I've had plenty of coaches that were like this.
They not only don't understand how much their energy resonates
through the team because they are ultimately the leader, they
are the head of the monster. But but it's also
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the idea of what type of that trust, in that
belief and and feeling that you're talking about Brady that
he wants from Dalton or he gets from Dalton. Players
want that from their coaches as well. And this just
doesn't seem like the type of guy from my vantage
point where I'm sitting there, if I'm in the meeting
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room and I'm listening to him, I'm just like, man,
how much of this is true and how much of
this is just lip service? Man? Like you're one of
those type of guys. You'll be like, this guy didn't
know anything. Justin Fields didn't know anything. He didn't know
his left hand from his right hand until I got
a hold of him and we got into the meeting
room and I told him, here's your left hand, here's
your right hand. Here's where we go from here. And
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now all of the success that that Justin is having
is based off of the process that I put in
front of him, like the TV twelve process, Like it
has to be my way and it has to involve
me for it to work. And that's that's narcissism at
at you know, at its best, and that's you know,
unless you have the belief of your players and your staff,
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when you're a narcissist, that's hard to it's hard to
have success. Man. It's pretty funny though. It's it's funny
how he's adamant that not calling plays really hurts him, Like,
isn't isn't it your job not calling plays? I mean yeah,
I mean calling plays is its own separate job. So
you don't see many that do both. He's getting paid
the same for less work. What's he bitching about? Well?
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And I also think it gives you a fall guy.
You know, if things don't go well offensively, you can
always say, hey, you know I need to move on,
or I'm gonna take over play calling duties. You can
relieve that person of it. But instead he's relieved himself
like he almost fired himself in one capacity. Like if
I was the bearer's ownership, I might say, can we
pay you less now because we broughtly fitsessed this offensive mind?
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But you ain't call the plays and you fired yourself
from those duties. Can can we get a little bit
of that money back that we're supposed to be paying
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Fox Sports Radio. Well, that was a weird one. We
will get into all of it, the details, the before,
the after, and all the stuff in between coming up
here and just a couple of moments from now. It
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is two pros and a cup of Joe. It's LaVar Arrington,
Brady Quinn, Jonas knocks with the here on fs ARE
and we're just happy we are safe and sound here,
Brady Quinn, because man, the weather out here in southern
California is just to be dealt with here, Can you guys,
Can you guys explain to me how you can spend
was a four or five billion dollars on a stadium
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have a roof, but yet still still be subject to
lightning delays? And I guess the explanation is that the
sides of of so Fi Stadium are open and so
there's enough exposure were you could be struck by lightning.
Like I am not, I'm not a mediogist. I don't
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know anything about whether outside of I I know to
not walk towards a tornado and if a hurricane is coming,
he should probably get inside. I don't even know what
the dude during an earthquake, Like I've been at Lay
when those have happened, and both times I've been in
a hotel room, I literally thought someone broke into my
room and was shaking my bed at some cheap parlor tree.
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And I'm like, I can never figure that one out.
But how in the hell do we have a lightning
delay when you play in a dome? Like is the
Gavin newsoon call in here? Need the city need to
like pause the whole entire thing for some reason, just
to just to flex his power. So basically what l
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A did is they built a five billion dollar gazebo,
is really what they did. That's though that so I'm
it's got a top of no sides. We're going to
protect ourselves from the rain. Oh wait, wait, howford you
think to do? Though? So I create this beautiful, pretty
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stadium and everything. The Olympics are gonna be, you know,
hosted there at some point, and then they're like, oh,
by the way, though, if there's lightning, yeah, we gotta
we gotta stop everything and make sure you wait what,
make sure you have your masks? That just that's the
most important thing here, folks. Bucky Larson was somewhere left.
Bucky Larson was somewhere in his own replica of his
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own stadium, and Vegas laughing likes is fully enclosed. I mean,
are we ready for it? You guys want a conspiracy
theory to start off the show early. You guys want
to conspiracy theory start off the show early? A little
weather delayed conspiracy theory? Alright, let me go ahead and
dust this one off. I think ESPN was behind it,
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and here's why. Because ESPN was looking for either an
excuse or a way to draw attention to try and
give it a little bit of a boost, all right,
So this was an excuse or a boost situation by ESPN.
So they thought, if we pushed the game back a
little bit, we cause awareness and we can create a
little bit of a story surrounding it. So everybody wants
to tune in and see what is everybody tweeting about
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what's going on here with this delay? Is this really
a weather delay and a dome? So they can boost
up the ratings because their number is going to look
so small next to what Sunday Night Football did on
NBC with the Bucks and the Patriots. So they'd either
got an excuse because there was a weather delay if
the number comes in small, or this was a concerted
effort to drive people to the television so they could
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boost that number and it doesn't look as bad next
to Sunday Night Football. Read them and we you know,
you know who wasn't a part of that conspiracy theory
that Randy Moss Hey, when Randy Moss's time was up,
conspiracy theory or not, Randy Moss was out? Man Booker
McFarland contracts, Steve Steve's Steve you know con Let's starts,
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she stayed, they were talking. You know who didn't Randy
Moss contract. That's the details this part. It was once
Moss you got most is over Randy's out. You were
a part of um. I mean look when when the
game actually did finally start, this is man. I hope
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that these teams stay somewhat decent for the next five times.
That's gonna be a fun matchup to watch for the
next five ten years. Like that's a good rivalry matchup.
The Raider fans were dwarfing the Charger fans. Uh, you
know it was was it probably what do you say?
Probably it felt like I'm gonna say dwarfing because it
was kind of even. It was loud for both teams,
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but to be away as the Raiders and it to
be as loud as it was like it was a
home game was certainly interesting. What did the been a
part of games like that too? By the way, I
played for the Washington football team. When Philly came, way
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more fans, when the Steelers came, way more fans. The
Steelers really way more fans. Washington's got a loyal fan base, man,
they do. But nobody wanted to go to that dump.
You know. We never had a lot of fans in
the stadium. Like the only time I saw that place
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jamming like jam pack jam pack was when Reggie Push
and USC came and played Virginia Tech there. That was
the only time I looked at the stadium. I'm sitting
in my box, my my owner's suite. Look at you, No,
I was, Mom was next to his that we were
that close by the way, I had owners box. We've
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talked about Little Danny's chid was out ripping up the
pool tables. They were sitting there like it's like somebody
was trying to tell him to stop. They're like, do
not tell him to stop ripping that table? What's ripping
the felt off? The pool was tearing that table up.
They were like, do not stop him. They're like what,
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They're like, that's Daniel Snyder's son. You ground his ass
on Halloween. That happens. They was letting him tear that table.
I digress. Yeah, that that that Virginia Tech USC game.
You saw it, but you never saw it like Pittsburgh Philly.
They came in town. It was it was it was
you felt like you were at their stadium. What a
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Brandon state? They said? Was it? Brandon Staleo said that
the Chargers were prepared to operate on a silent count
and their own state in their own stadium. Well, I
mean it's it's kind of their own state and they're
more renters than anything cold. But I mean it's not
the Vegas the Vegas Raiders. Sum Yeah, it was last
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night though. Is that it was the Stable Center? Is that?
Is that because the Clippers are actually the kings of
the Stable Center and then the Lakers are just renters there.
You know that's based on because you go based on
previous playoff R Why are we gonna get buzzers? I
don't know. I don't know what's going on. I'm not
even from here, and I know that's why you're correct.
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I don't even know. Are we sure that's not correct?
I listen, I mean I had heard that, Well, the
the L A Kings are left. Yeah, well the L
A Kings are actually the I think they run the
stables side. You know. Furthermore, Brady, what do we always
say when we get too points like this in the show?
Who cares? Exactly? That is a that is a solid
point there? Justin Herbert man um is he is he
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in the m v P conversation? Is he on the
shortlist of names or guys in the m v P conversation? Right?
You know? I want to make sure I'm careful not
to cut off Brady today because I got totally blesseded
on Twitter yesterday. So do you gotta stop this? I
just want to make sure, well, I have time sometimes
so I want to be sad to our listeners, you
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know what I mean. So I don't care. I don't
want to cut operate. So let me just quickly just
say that, uh, justin Herbert is a guy. He's a guy,
and yes, the answer is yes, he's got to be
in the conversation to to throw for over two hundred
yards to put three t d s up against a
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what looks to be a formidable Las Vegas Raiders team.
That they didn't lose that game because they weren't good enough.
They lost that game because the l A Rams or
excuse me to l A Chargers were better. They outplayed
them and largely in part because of the way Herbert played. Yeah,
it was really a third quarter, which is bad for
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other Chargers. But I will be quiet now, come on,
I will be quiet now. I would say this over
and over and over. This is for whoever whoever is
listening to this. I don't know why we ever pay
attention to people's opinion who we'd never asked for their
opinion in the first place. I really don't like I
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say that to people all the time when they look
at social media that come back will be upset about it.
I'm like, but do you just go out to social
media and say, hey, I think about getting dinner tonight?
Where should I go? Like? If you actually buy that, well,
I have actually see I'm never one of those people.
I'm like, I'm not trusting a bunch of people I
don't know who don't know me, Like, why why would
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I ever trust that? Opinion is it's like it's like yelp.
Basically yelping Yelp gave people the green light to snitch.
I've got I've got a buddy who's like that. By
the way, he'll be like, he'll come in my hometown
over where I live. He'll go, yeah, this is this
has a great star winning on Yelp. I'm like, get
out of here, nerd, get out of and go sit
(09:47):
at a different table. All right, we'll be at the bar.
We'll meet up with you in a minute. Okay, tell
me where I need to go get a chocolate croissanti,
which are amazing chocolate. Heat it up. By the way,
is freaking so of P ANDV today, you know, Hey,
(10:07):
I woke up, dude, it was it was one of
those days, LaVar. My back is done. Like I tried
to I love running. I tried to run a little
bit yesterday and now I literally woke up my backs
locked up, and I was like, I'm not old enough
to be having these sort of back issues. And I'm
I'm walking around like an old man. But anyway, I digress.
(10:28):
We had more time. We were talking about Herbert m Yes,
what do you think I think he's. I think he's
one of the best young quarterbacks in the league. Um.
The M v P Race is unfortunately an award that
we always tie into, like, you know, whoever is on
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one of the top teams and also playing well. It's
almost like the Heisman. It doesn't always go to the
best player, it just goes to the to one of
the guys was one of the best players one of
the best teams. So, you know, I think he's one
of the best players. I think he's he should be
in that conversation. I don't know that he is necessarily
only because you've got a guy within you know, you
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know out west on that that side of the country
that's making some waves and Kyler Murray what he's doing.
You've got some other guys who I think, you know,
like Mahomes in his division, that the way he plays
makes you think, gosh like it it's he he just
he is dazzling with the way he throws and moves around.
Herbert's got a cannon and it's fun to watch as
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a quarterback. And it's it's also fun to watch just
the way they scheme it up, Like if you notice
they don't really try to do a ton of quick game,
like they're not doing a ton of r P O
s or they're not doing a ton of like quick game.
And I always wonder is it important to his strengths
where he's a bigger, long arm guy, Like when you
watch his throwing motion, you break it down, it's it's
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quick for how big he is, but it's not like
one of the quickest just because his damn arms are
so long. He's six ft six, like he's a huge dude.
And so when he cranks that thing up, it looks
like he's in the hammer thrower or something. But that
ball comes out there with a vapor trail. So it's
it's like you're watching goal. Why would they throw anything
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less than thirty yards downfield? Like, as long as they
could protect him long enough, I would just be throwing
absolute seeds forty yards downfield because he's got the rocket
arm to do it. So I think he is one
of the best. I would say he's up there for
one of the most valuable, because what are they seven
and won their last eight games. Like, if he's not
the quarterback last season, if they don't puncture to Rod
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Taylor's long Yeah, like I don't know when you see him,
and I don't know what that looks like and how
you know if impacts this year? Um, And maybe maybe
that's a conspiracy theory, you know, maybe the music going,
Maybe maybe they were like trying to find a way
to get Justin Herbert. Maybe he's going to Taylor will
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Here's basically what has happened in the game on Sunday,
A game in which Baltimore went into Denver UH and
just laid the lumber to the Denver Broncos. The the
Baltimore Ravens got the football back and instead of taking
a knee on the final play, they had Lamar Jackson
run outside for a five yard game because they were
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trying to tie a an NFL record forty three straight
games of a hundred yards rushing as a team that
was set by the Steelers back in the mid seventies,
and so nobody really knew kind of what was going
on in the moment until afterwards it was revealed and
Vic Fangio, the Broncos head coach, was asked about it
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after the game, and he had this to say on Monday.
I thought it was kind of but I expected it
from them. Thirty seven years in pro ball, I've never
seen anything like that. That's just their you know, mode
of operation. Their player safety is secondary. Can I just
start off before we get too far away from this.
That's the way they do things. I expected that from
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that outfit. But he said, I've never seen this in
my entire career. All right, let's go from there. Let's
move on from there. You've never seen this, but yet
you expected to see this from them. So John John
Harbaugh had his his press conference after Vic Fangio's Thank
god for that, because he was asked about the situation,
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and here was his response. I thought we were on
good terms, nice yet before the game, knowing each other
for a long time. But I promise you I'm not
going to give that insult one second thought, what's meaningful
to us might not be meaningful to them. There can
turns are definitely not our concern. We're gonna try to
get the yards, and we got it back with three
seconds left, So you're throwing the ball in the end
zone the ten seconds left. I don't know that there's
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a sixteen point touchdown. It's gonna be possible right there.
So you know that didn't have anything to do with
winning the game. Alright, So who wants first DIBs at all? This?
Can I just point this out? You just heard both
coaches speak, and they both bring up points that I
think are valid. Okay, Vic Fangioe is talking about it
from a player's safety standpoint. So is it the safest
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thing to have your team run another play on what
could be a meaningless down with three seconds left just
to be able to get a record. Of course it's not,
But it's it's it's it's obviously meaningless, much like the
touchdown that you just had, that's meaningless, Or you're trying
to go for a touchdown when you're down by two scores.
Says that's meaningless too, So he he almost sounds I
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don't want to say like a hypocrite, but that's what
it is. But that's what it is. Like he's complaining
about John Horrible on the Baltimore Ravens running a meaningless
play when he just did that, like he literally just
did that. So that's hypocritical in the first place. And
my overall statement is this, My overall statement and feeling
is always this. When you're losing the game, you don't
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get to determine how it ends, Okay, Like that is
the part on John Harrbor on the Baltimore Ravens, Like
guess what, Bud, they came into your house, they spank
your butt. They get to choose whether they want to kneel,
whether they want to do an orchestrated group dance with
all eleven players with that final three seconds, whether they
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want to kneel, whether they want to invite someone to
come out and go streaking, Like they get to choose
how whatever they want to do in those final moments
of the game where they have the football because they
spanked you. Like that's how it works. That's football, that's
life when you're when you're winning, you get to choose
how you want this ending to go. So I think
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there's ruth on both sides of it, and and and
honestly it comes off as a little bit more sore
and hypocritics for the Denver progress and if he is,
it's also because he's a defensive minded head coach and
his defense. I couldn't snap the streak and so they
got a hundred yards put up on me. But here's
the thing, right, you could ultimately think and say that
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victory formation is the most disrespectful play in all of
football if you as a defender, if you go watch
my film, I blast dudes. I'm that dude. I am,
and I used to have all my teammates doing it.
We're gonna blast you on victory formation. I'm the one
where we're pushing and shoving at the end of the
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game because it's almost when you think about it, victory formation,
it's like, yeah, we don't need to take another play.
We're gonna take a knee right in front of you,
right here. No no risk of fumbles, no risk of anything.
Just we're gonna take a knee. And you know what,
I try to hit the center or the guard. I
try to hit him as hard as I could. I
knew I wouldn't get the I knew we weren't gonna
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change the game, but I'm a blast you right in
your face. Right, So to me, in the end, are
you thinking about your offensive lineman and if they could
get hurt because they're sitting ducks and we know that
you're not running a play, so we're going to haul
off some guys. They just shake hands on touch your
shoulders like all right, it plays over. You kneel like,
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but some guys are coming, still coming for blood. And
so to me, I I listen. First of all, Brady
made a dope point. That's a dope point that you
can't win the game. So are you worried and concerned
about the health of your guys while you're trying to
make it a closer game even though you can't win.
You don't have to the you gonna let them run
into the end, let the touchdown? What about players safety?
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Do you you? You still got games ahead of you,
while you still got your starters in trying to score,
and you can't win the game. So but I just
think that that is sore. He was sore. Something upset
him about it. He felt disrespected that that Lamar Jackson
got his record. I mean if he be honest, and
I think there was maybe a little frustration with you
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lose Teddy Bridgewater, who has come in and really helped
this team. He helped this team though get to this point,
like he was that key ingredient that they were missing
at the quarterback spot to be able to help their
team just take care of the football allows defense to
do their thing. So I think he was frustrated, and
I think he I think he when you go back
and watch the tape of that hit by the way one,
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I was about to say, you didn't see who it was,
right right, I don't know and he's he's a stud,
he really is. That being said it, he may have
gotten away well, it wouldn't be targeting, it would be yeah,
unnecessary roughness since uh the quarterbacks considered defenseless. But he
may have gotten away with it. I remember seeing in
real time. I was like, oh, that was kind of
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interesting because it looked like he hit his chin, but
it didn't look it looked like he was trying to
get his head out of the hit and he led
with the shoulders. So I was glad they didn't call it.
He even though it still ended up in Teddy Bridgewater
getting knocked out. About to say whether it was whether
it was a personal foul or whatever, rough in the passer.
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Teddy was done for today. That's what the frustration. It's
just funny how Fangio acts like he's running up the score.
It's five yards, literally it was. It was five yards.
It was a five yard draw. But you're gonna make it.
But you made it about health and safety, like this
record was more worth more than health and safety. Like
here's here's the one thing that Baltimore has been at
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least accused of is that I'm just listen, man. We
can try and dismiss this all they want. They made
a concerted effort to break the consecutive preseason win streak
off this offseason they did. I mean, lamar in there,
all those games everything. I thought it was ridiculous. Brady
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comes on the air talking about, oh my god, they're
trying to go after the preseason consecutive wins records. It's
like you buy anyone on social media who gets upset
when we cut off Jonas. It's the reality that he's
lying to you and you basically what you want him
to lie to you, and we just have to sit
there and take you like that. That's essentially what they
want to happen. This look. I just think this is
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this is pretty funny, these two, these two guys going
at it. Vic Fangio, I like Vic Fangio, I like
John Harball as well. Bring up one more thing. Yes,
I'm asking you guys a question here. Is this a
Horrorball thing? Because do you remember when Jim Harball was
coaching Jim Schwartz got a I think I think like
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the Horrorballs are not very well liked, and I think
it's one of the reasons why. You know, when Jim
Harriball was looking for a new defensive coordinator at Michigan,
who do you tap? Mike McDonald's brother, he said, He said, Hey,
John or John, who can you give me? Says Mike McDonald,
young enough coming coach, you should bring him in as
your d C. But like he can't really get anyone else.
(21:59):
I won or if there's a little bit of this, uh,
I don't know. Maybe there's a lot of people out
there are a big fan of the Harball family. Is
such a likable figure. But you could tell on the slide,
on the sneak he's just like his brother, and his
brother is just insanely. You don't like him. You just
(22:21):
don't like him. He just wanted him to. You just
don't like it. You don't like the way he looks,
you don't like the way he moves. You just you
just don't like I don't like Michigan. Well listen and
Petro's talks about this that John Harry or Jim Harbaugh
and Pete Carroll remember they got into it when when
he was coaching at Stanford and UH and Pete Carroll
was at US Seed where they did that what's your problem,
(22:43):
what's your deal? Because Stanford went into USC and just
speak their ass, like by by twenty or thirty whatever
it was, and they were significant underdogs, and so Pete
Carroll was pissed off about it. Which is funny about
that because pizza type out does that to it's remember season.
I remember in pre season with the Seahawks and he
was like, Hey, I'll tell you this, It's not our
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job to worry about whether or not they're prepared. He's like,
we're gonna kick their ass for four straight quarters. This
is a preseason games. I'm like, all right, I like this,
let's dud this dude's fired up for a preseason game.
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because Brady Quinn is on one. Hurricane quinn Is has
made an appearance and he is wiping out everybody that comes.
Don't don't put me in that for your own personal security.
Jonus and Brady are just fine. Yeah, so we got
a we got a big weekend ahead of this big
big weekend and Brady because fake out. Here's what Here's
(24:33):
what I've learned with Jonas is just don't set your
expectations high and you'll never be disappointed. Well there you go. Yeah,
thank you. More more compliments from good buddy there, Brady Quinn, good,
good buddy there, Brady quick. How are you doing? Yeah,
how you're doing? Just a good person right there, through
and through. Just this guy, Brady, I'm just a wonderful guy.
(24:56):
I'm just moments I'll be over here. Hate you guys.
All right, So let's get into somebody that's in denial,
Matt Naggie. This is gonna be a lot of fun.
So um, we'll just get this out of the way.
First of all, he announced that Andy Dalton will be
the starter once he's healthy. So once Andy Dalton's healthy,
is gonna be the start again? Adamant about is healthy?
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Like Ky, just play things week to week. You're not
you're not a great football team like I just played
out week to week. So it's best for you guys
to win week to week. What's wrong with that? I
think he's got money on number of starts for Andy
Dalton this year, and he's got the over and so
maybe he's you know, just continues to want to push
that out there because he wants to make sure that
he wins his bet. But so there's that. So even
(25:46):
though they want on Sunday, um, you know, Matt Naggie
says that Andy Dalton is going to be the starter.
What he's healthy. Uh. Matt Aggie also is getting a
little fed up with the play calling questions in Chicago
Bill Laser, the offensive coordinator. There was some speculation as
to who was calling the plays on Sunday, especially the
opening drive. They looked really good and felt like that
(26:07):
had an actual true game plan, and so Matt and
Hagey gave this fun little answer about the play calling
after the game for the Chicago Bears to the media
in regards to the play calling, Uh, building a great job,
you know, and I think that I felt good out
there as a head coach and that's real, you know. Um,
But we all get together. We talked through, um how
(26:29):
we're gonna call the game, and we do that when
when I'm when I'm calling plays too, you know, I
mean us as a staff we get together and and
in the end I get a great opportunity to say
yes I like this or no I don't. As the
head coach right in charge of all that. That that's real,
and I feel like building a great job today. Our
players did a great job, are coaching staff did a
(26:51):
great job, and we played collectively together as a team,
not just players, not just coaches, everybody. And when you
have that, it's a good feeling. So we'll continue to
just keep talking. We'll continue to but but again, like again,
with all due respect, all due respect, that it's going
to be the last time I talk about it. That's
how that's done, right there, folks. That is how you
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showcase your true denial as a head coach in the NFL.
That is how it's done. That is the blueprint for
how to communicate your insecurities of a bunch of microphones.
Can I ask you guys some questions? Please? Do I've
got questions? Very good how he ended it with all
(27:34):
due respects, I mean, first off, okay, like so you're
saying that you're telling them the media, who have a
job to do that at this point in the season
or a quart of the way through in the second, third,
or fourth quarter of the regular season because this teammate
go in the playoffs, right, that they can't ask you
(27:54):
about the play calling and question it at any point,
and you phrased it with all due respect, Like what
does that mean? So it's gonna get feisty if they do.
Like I just I don't understand that point. A lot
of coach talking, Oh yeah, we're gonna keep that communication going, well,
of course you should. What are you guys not gonna
talk to each other throughout the course of the year
(28:15):
about play calling your game planning. I don't understand why
he stated the obvious too, that he gets to decide
or choose, like what coach, head coach, right, that's that
what they're supposed to do. I'm telling you this as
the head coach though, I'm telling you that right right,
And then you know, look, Bill Laser was supposedly calling
(28:36):
the place last year where I think there was a
noticeable change and uptick in their production at a certain
point in the season. What changed? And why did Matt
I'm gonna say Neggie because like that's how some people
pronounce his name for some reason. Why did he take
over the play calling at some point in time to
start the year because he's in't scare right, But then
(28:56):
when they go back to Laser and they get a
win because he be good, Well, okay, then at least
with this question, why did he get the job again
in Chicago because they thought he was because he he
coached He called players for eight games in Kansas City, UM,
which ultimately led to a playoff loss in the opening
round of the Titans. That's I mean, like that, that's
(29:17):
what the resume is. So I don't know, I don't know.
He certainly, he certainly is entertaining demons, though the way
he responded, he was responding to something that was more
self internally driven, that wasn't question driven. Like the way
he responded, it's almost as though it's like it's almost
(29:38):
like his kids were like dad, coach Laser did such
an amazing job calling the game. He's my buddy, He's
my new dad. It's like the way he was the
way he answered that question, it was like, why are
you guys forgetting about me? Like do you understand if
Laser calls a great game, it's because I'm the head
(30:01):
coach and I made the final decisions as to why
this is going to take place. So you think he
doesn't think he's get enough credit. I mean, that's clearly
so I have some questions. All right here, here's a
couple of follow ups I have. Um, is this Matt
Naggy sort of covering his tracks because if things go
(30:22):
as poorly as they appear to be going in Chicago
and he's out after this year, he'd like to be
hired on as an offensive coordinator and a play caller. Again,
you want to keep your options open. Okay, So so
there's that, So he's looking after that. Also on the end, well,
how do you become a head coach? Again? You gotta
stay in it. You got you gotta you gotta keep
your part of that craft going. So, yeah, it's your point.
He's he's got to get into the play calling. So
(30:45):
then on the Andy Dalton question, we've talked about it,
how coaches have egos. Do you think that Matt Naggie
looks at Andy Dalton as this opportunity and also, man,
if I can make Andy Dalton revitalize his career, what
does that say about me moving forward? No, that's it's
(31:06):
total self preservation. It's not it has nothing to do
he believes that he can win with Andy Dalton. That's
his in in his mind. Just and even just listening
to what his sound bite just was, He's he's he's desperate.
That's a sound of a desperate coach. Don't you think
his assistant to know that? If you if you're Bill
(31:27):
Laser and you hear that, Brady, aren't you thinking to
yourself like, dude, really baby? I would just say this, Generally,
veterans give you a more confidence because because football is
a game of preparation more so than it actually has
like performance on the field, you practice more than you
(31:48):
actually play in games, and so veterans give you the
sense of confidence because what Andy Dalton got there, I
can assure you from day one, he's been a better
practice this player. He's had a better feel for how
to lead, what to do, how to communicate. And that
gives a head coach. That gives a play caller more
(32:08):
confidence in him, more confidence in their abilities as a
play caller. Things are going to work. Whereas a rookie
is coming in there and they're learning everything for the
first time. Again, you've played football, but it's different when
you get in the NFL. Your preparations different each week,
you can have drastic changes in the types of players
you're running and how you're calling them and what you're
being asked to do as a quarterback. So because of that,
(32:30):
I almost think that there's this element of he's convinced
himself because of the off season, because of practice and
how he probably feels going into games and him feeling
like he could call any any play then compared to
justin Fields, who has more upside is obviously gonna look
better in practice the more he's in the league, second year,
(32:53):
third year, etcetera. But I think there's a big emphasis
on that, especially with coaches. And I don't know how
you feel about that, Lavore and as a player, but
like I remember sometimes having some of the worst practices
or weeks of practice, and then you go when you
play well in the game or the team goes out
and gets a win, and you're like, oh, all right,
that really didn't amount to anything. But a lot of
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coaches think and feel that way, like they need you
to have a great week of practice so they can
feel good about the game plan and the players are
gonna call and what they're going to do. And I
think when you've got a veteran like Andy Dalton has
played a long time and justin fields, there's a stark
contrast between the two, and that might be a reason
to why he's so adamant about Dalton giving them the
(33:38):
best chance to win once he's healthy. The one thing
that coaches maybe don't realize sometimes is the amount of
exchange emotional energy, exchange that takes place between them and
their players as as players. We always lost to Michigan
(33:59):
when I was at Penn Stay. Always we were better
than Michigan two out of the three years that I
was there. Last year that we were there, we were
uh an entire body above better than Michigan, and they
still beat us. And we started, you know, we would
look back on and talk about it, and it's like, man,
during the course of the Michigan week, the coaches were
(34:20):
way different, way different. The teams that we were supposed
to be coaches were loose, they were were you know, jovial.
They they they just did things differently. And then those
games that they felt like, we're the most important games
to them that we needed to prepare a certain type
of way for and handle things a certain type of way,
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they were different. Their energy and the meeting rooms were different,
the way they coached you on the field was different.
And and it's like, when you're that type of guy,
which this is what I'm hearing in Naggie's voice and
in his interview, when you're that type of guy where
it's like, I want you to have this credit coach laser,
(35:02):
but just know that you need to make sure you
acknowledge my my involvement in this right that means I've
had I've had plenty of coaches that were like this.
They not only don't understand how much their energy resonates
through the team because they are ultimately the leader, they
are the head of the monster. But but it's also
(35:24):
the idea of what type of that trust, in that
belief and and feeling that you're talking about Brady that
he wants from Dalton or he gets from Dalton. Players
want that from their coaches as well. And this just
doesn't seem like the type of guy from my vantage
point where I'm sitting there, if I'm in the meeting
(35:44):
room and I'm listening to him, I'm just like, man,
how much of this is true and how much of
this is just lip service? Man? Like you're one of
those type of guys. You'll be like, this guy didn't
know anything. Justin Fields didn't know anything. He didn't know
his left hand from his right hand until I got
a hold of him and we got into the meeting
room and I told him, here's your left hand, here's
your right hand. Here's where we go from here. And
(36:07):
now all of the success that that Justin is having
is based off of the process that I put in
front of him, like the TV twelve process, Like it
has to be my way and it has to involve
me for it to work. And that's that's narcissism at
at you know, at its best, and that's you know,
unless you have the belief of your players and your staff,
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when you're a narcissist, that's hard to it's hard to
have success. Man. It's pretty funny though. It's it's funny
how he's adamant that not calling plays really hurts him, Like,
isn't isn't it your job not calling plays? I mean yeah,
I mean calling plays is its own separate job. So
you don't see many that do both. He's getting paid
the same for less work. What's he bitching about? Well?
(36:52):
And I also think it gives you a fall guy.
You know, if things don't go well offensively, you can
always say, hey, you know I need to move on,
or I'm gonna take over play calling duties. You can
relieve that person of it. But instead he's relieved himself
like he almost fired himself in one capacity. Like if
I was the bearer's ownership, I might say, can we
pay you less now because we broughtly fitsessed this offensive mind?
(37:14):
But you ain't call the plays and you fired yourself
from those duties. Can can we get a little bit
of that money back that we're supposed to be paying
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