October 12, 2021 • 39 mins
Jonas, Brady and LaVar try to make sense of who's to blame for the Colts collapse to the Ravens on Monday Night Football. Trey Lance suffered a sprained knee but he doesn't need to be rushed back since Garoppolo gives the Niners the best chance to win right now. Gruden exposed his true colors but the Raiders and the NFL used him to progress their brands. Plus, LaVar doesn't take it personally when people call him Lamar.
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of excitement about one team in the NFL, and unfortunately
the game started being played. We will get into all
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believe it or not, there is actual on field topics
to discuss here, not just the John Gruden fiasco. We
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will have more on that later on, but uhill listen. Now,
that's what Carson went should be doing to the Cults nation,
because my god, that team is bad. That is a
bad football team. That team stinks. They blow a big
lead last night. I think it's the first time in
the history of the franchise they had a six team
point or larger lead in the fourth quarter and watched
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it evaporate as they fall to the Baltimore Ravens on
the road last night. And now the Indianapolis Culture sitting
at one and four on the season. What the hell happened?
Wentz effect? Yeah, it's crazy because I mean Brady was
saying before the season, Carson Wentz is a dark horse
m v P. That is that what I I'm stunning
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that what I said is that what you said. We
got to be careful what Brady said, because you know,
we don't want cancel culture. I'll be getting canceled for
a take that wasn't even mine. He definitely said that
that Wentz had to two of the same same side feet.
You know, he definitely said that that's that was I
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was sure. I did say his double ankle injury. It
was only specific to a certain idea foreshadow his downfall,
but we didn't know that it would be the downfall
of the entirety. I mean, my god, they are bad, man.
What that? What the hell is going on? Well? Herere
the problems. Tell me this much. Outside of Jonathan Taylor,
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who scares you on that offense? Nobody, I mean played,
Who are you lining up against the Colts and saying
outside of trying to stop Jonathon tap Like, who scares him? Yeah?
I mean yeah, yeah, yeah, lavars take Nelson pulling on
that's that's his biggest concern in that game highlight film.
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I mean, that's and that's that's a problem. And especially
it's a problem when your defense, which was I think
we'd say one of the best in the NFL probably
in recent years, is not playing anywhere close to that. Uh.
They were the number ten past defense going into last night,
and they gave up over four yards to Lamar Jackson,
and so you know, take that for what it's worth.
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I just this team is so disjointed it right now.
I don't know if it was you know, the the
injuries coming into the season, all the pressure that's on
Carson Wentz. I don't know what to you know, stack
it up to. I always think it's it's difficult for
any player when you're transitioning from one team to another,
let alone a quarterback, because of how new everything is.
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And even even though there was history between Frank Reik
and Carson Wentz, it's still all the guys you're throwing
too that you haven't thrown to. And you could do
it in practice, but it's different once you get into
a game. You know, the speed of it, the nonverbal communication,
the way guys coming in in and out through the routes,
the way it all works out when you're actually on
the field, that takes time. I think we saw that
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a little bit last year with Philip Rivers. Even though
you know by the end of the season they're they're
playing better football. It probably you know it should be
the same for the Colts this year, but I don't know.
I mean, the the way Wentz is playing, the way
this team looks right now, I'm not sure what you
do outside of if this doesn't work, you're looking back
into the draft for for someone to be behind center
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next year. I mean that's one percent what the issue is, right, Like,
if you think about it, the biggest the biggest downfall
with teams is when you put your trust into a
player that plays that position in particular and they're not
what they're supposed to be. It impacts everything. It impacts everything.
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And Carson Wentz has not been what he's needed to
be for this Colts team. So that's going to impact
how your offense plays, the confidence and how they do
what they do because the confidence isn't there, they're going
to It's going to impact the way that the defense plays,
like where you will where you may feel a certain
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type of way about Okay, I can play this way
and I'm gonna try to make plays. But if something
doesn't work out, I know for certain our offense got
our back. Our quarterback is going to lead the way
and we'll be able to get a reprieve. Right. But
once you start to realize that, you can't really count
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on that, and even if you have a lead, even
if you have a lead, there's always that thought in
your mind like we're just not we're not going to
get it done, or or oh we're losing the momentum
of the game, or whatever it may be. There's just
a lack of confidence. And I'll give you a great
example on the other side of the ball. You're seeing that.
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You want to know why why j o Is is
playing so well because of the confidence that they have
in Lamar Jackson. You want to know why they don't panic.
I'm sitting there looking at uh, what's my man's name,
the the old head that that blocked the field goal.
Calais right, I'm blanking on his name. You want to
know why he's coming off the field with his muscles
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pumped up and all jacked up and they're down by
eight point One of the biggest human beings I've ever
seen in my life, and he used all of that
bigness and he stretched it on out and and blocked
that ball. You know what I mean, he kept it
from getting in there. Uh, it's because they have confidence
in Lamar Jackson. The overarching field, the confidence what we
can accomplish and get done and do is based upon
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your belief or this, you know, inability to believe in
the person that's leading the team. And that's what the
Coats are dealing with right now. Here's why it shouldn't
be that much of a surprise. They downgraded at quarterback.
Why did we expect them that they were going to
be a better football team. Philip Rivers was a better
quarterback than Carson Wentz last year. He was a better
quarterback than Carson Wentz the year. But like they downgraded
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at the position, but everybody wanted to label it as well,
it was the circumstance in the situation, and he was
in a really tough spot. It's a mean give me
a break, Like we've seen backup quarterbacks go there and
have success. They downgraded at the position, and then everybody
just assumed they were going to go ahead and make
a deeper run in the postseason because they had figured
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it out and they had gotten younger. Just because you
got younger doesn't mean he got better. And I know that.
That was always my skepticism. And I loved the Indianapolis
last year. I picked him to win the Super Bowl
last year. Terrible pick, one of multiple terrible picks that
I've made over the past couple of years. But I
looked at it and said, that's the key position. You've
gotten worse had Philip Rivers not decided to retire. You're
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not making the move for Carson Wentz. So the idea
that they were going to all of a sudden be
the team to beat again in the a f C
South and make a run, I just thought was are fetched. No,
I mean it's it's to a degree, it's far fetched.
It's a little disrespectful to the Titans for what they've
been able to accomplish. Um. Look, this isn't an indictment
on Frank Rich. He's had a lot of moving parts
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during his time as the Colts head coach. I almost wondered, too,
if you're looking at the roster in the way they've
built it, I don't know if the decision to bring
in Wentz was so much Chris Ballard or Frank Reich
pushing to do so. But what's what's become a little
bit exposed is they haven't been able to draft, excuse me,
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draft or fine a big time playmaker on the outside.
You know, Paris Campbell hasn't necessarily lived up to that.
Michael Pittman had a couple of nice plays, um, and
he steps up from time to time. But as I
said before, this game is all about big plays and playmakers,
and the only guy who consistently does this for this
offense is Jonathan Taylor, and it's hard to do that
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if you're the only guy doing You've got to have
a few. You've got to be able to put pressure
on a defense. Defensively, I think they've got some young
players who have stepped up. You know, the acquisition of
of Deforce Buckner has has helped out this group. Darius
Slanders obviously a stud, but there's they're still not playing
up to I think the standard that they need to
if their offense is gonna struggle like this. So it's
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just this isn't right now. This is not a good
football team, which is stating the obvious. But it's not
like you're pointing the finger. It just wentz. He's gonna
shoulder the majority of the blame. But it's all parties
involved when it's all said done, because you can make
the case when you're up by sixteen points your defense
shouldn't let him back in the game. And you could
also make the case that, hey, how many times when
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Peyton Manning Andrew Luck had that sort of lead did
they not put up more points or do they not
figure out a way of moving the sticks, eating up
more more clock and getting out of the game. Right, Like,
you can point the blame and as many many people
as you want. This is just not a good football team.
And also t Y Hilton's out and he's been their
most consistent threat for an two banged. What it's funny
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is is what what side of the narratives do you
want to fall on? Right? We blame Jimmy Garoppolo for
them not winning the Super Bowl. People blame Jimmy Garoppolo
for not winning the Super Bowl, but gave them a
two possession game lead against the eventual Kansas City Chiefs champions.
And it's like, oh, he didn't make the throws when
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he needed to make the throws. He didn't get it done.
Jimmy Garoppolo costed them. But what about the defense? And
that's the same thing that happened last night. Are we
blaming Carson Wentz? Are we blaming the defense or are
we blaming both? You know? Because to me, you gotta
blame both. You can't just be like, Okay, Carson Wentz
gave him a sixteen point lead. Okay, they let it
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get away. All right, Well, but Carson Wentz had every
opportunity to be in there when they saw that lead
getting away. You could have easily uh neutralized the run
and took the momentum back before they overcame your sixteen
point deficit. That's one, right, But then you have the
other side of it when you when you you decide
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to when we take these these conversations and and the
narrative can can always be based upon Okay, well, the
defense didn't do what they needed to do, even though
the quarterback did what he was supposed to do. And
then you look at and you say, okay, we can
change this and something good can happen. Example, do you
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realize that the Kansas City Chiefs are only one game
better then this Indianapolis coach team, And yet we sit
there and we say they can write the ship, they
can turn it around. Patrick Mahomes is the best quarterback
in the game. He's the best that the league has offered.
This that they are one game ahead of the Colts.
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And yet at the same token, when you have the conversation,
do you have to say the same things. The ball
isn't being protected by the quarterback, the defense is are
teaming grossly. You you're saying the same we're saying the
same exact things about Kansas City. But yeah, we think
Kansas City can turn it around. It's well and I
think that's you know, based on reputation, right, we just
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we look at what they've they're one game better. Here's
for last night's loss. If you're Indianapolis and you guys
tell me like, because it feels like you're watching the
game going, oh man, same old Colts. But it looked
like they were going to win that game. They were,
they were dominant in that game. The offense looked great,
the defense was making plays, they were forcing turnovers. I
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mean the fact that they called that an illegal forward
pass and the fumble return, I don't know what the
hell they were watching. That is the worst reference. I
don't get it. What of my canceled culture needs to
direct because that that touchdown in Iowa where that dude
punched a pylon and they called it a touchdown. Now, yeah,
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I mean there are so many calls now that I'm
just starting to just really get irritated. We're just brought
out a body bag from officials. Yeah that is so
Now we'll go after them next. But like all of
that being said, so you feel like you're gonna win
that game and then you still lose. How demoralizing is
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That takes a belief away, And whether you admit it
or not, it's it's there. That seed of doubt grows
inside of you. Whether you want to acknowledge it or not,
it's there. I think the difficulty for the Colts is
and Wentz too. He had his best performance of the
season last week, and and sometimes when you get off
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to a bad start, you're just trying to find like
that that that formula. You know, you're trying to find
that moja, figure out what it takes to get able
to get a win. Had his best performance last week
and then this week. You know again, I'm not gonna
say it was, you know, like the first few weeks.
But that's the hard part is trying to figure out
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that winning formula each week, and sometimes it just it
takes you playing a different type of game. And this
was one that they just haven't figured it out yet. Man.
So that that trip back, you know, a bottle of
Crown Royal they're sipping on. I don't know what you
tell them, Uh it is by the way do you
think players, So when they're staying in the hotel, do
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you think any of them pocket some of the little
bottles of booze and take them with him for the
flight back? You back? Why that? Because they don't put
alcohol in your room in a hotel, Jonas, they don't
have a mini bar, why not they clear it out?
You have access to that. I mean, you know just
what you act like these guys like they like walk
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into a hotel and it's just like any other person
who goes and gets the hotel. You guys are talking
about first class and private jet yesterday. There have been
there have been to two Jonas is uh. There have
been guys like Glenn Porters has even told the story.
Santana even told the story. There are certain guys that
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have smoked in their car or have drink like a
fifth in their car before going into the stadium. We
call them, yeah, I mean, we call them alcoholics. Just
so you know that that has been a part of
pregame routine before you got to practice. I mean, you know,
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it's fascinating. Yeah, just I wondered, you know, if there's
like some little bottles of booze they take them to go.
You know what I mean, Like some people are in
I saved you from that, but you wanted to go
back around to it. I think these are fair questions.
You already answered your question on that one, but then
you want to go back to trying to get more
people canceled. That's not trying to get any people listening
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to this show to feel like they were once in
the NFL. And if you've ever snuck a bottle of
booze from how about this room you're in the I've
got a different method to feel like they were once
in the NFL. Uh. They get to walk ten yards
away from LaVar and he gets to sprint full speed
at them and hit him once, and then they can
get a small taste of what it's like to be
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in the NFL. How about that. I got that in
me too, I got I got ten yards sprint in me.
They trust me. I will gladly. I will gladly throw
them interception and go cover down and make that tackle too. Yeah.
I will graduly sacrifice another interception on my record just
to be able to get a hit on a couple
of a couple of meat heads here taking it out.
Just be careful don't don't taking it out. I wish
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it was Jonas. That would be my favorite YouTube. Absolutely
light up Jonas like Christmas. That that's that victim talk
that you get going on nobody. I want to hit
Joey is so hard he turned the powder. Here's powder. Yeah,
here's That's a great movie, by the way, not bad.
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But here's here's the best part is because I know
Brady's uh, I have never seen that one. Yeah, it
doesn't feel like our WIFEI here here, I'm taking the
other one, Johnny depth. Here's here's the other thing. Because
because Brady is allergic to shellfish, I will cover myself
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in shrimp cocktail, and then I want to see that
hard ass come tack with me. I can't wait. You
don't want to do I'm gonna carry Eppin in my
back pocket, stab myself, right man, fair enough. I'm not
allergic to it, So you're still gonna catch Rick. I'm
gonna hit Joonas so hard to knocks out all his hair,
spreading mammal mode. I might start biting your legs like shrimps,
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leaving conditions an arm blue cramp. I've just realized something
I'm offended by. With this conversation smells like lobster. Let
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So coming up next upon further review, Uh, we do
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have an interesting response to a question for a head coach.
Over the weekend. We are going to look into this
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We are going going to get into uh some interesting
sound upon further review. When you actually take a listen
to this sound, Uh, it makes you wonder what else
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was out there. We also got a look back on
the prop at Monster results from Monday Night Football. I
know everybody is anxiously awaiting all that, so as we
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the way, on the tray lance Uh. Situation in San Francisco.
Apparently suffered a knee sprain. Uh, and so there is
some question about whether or not he's going to miss time.
San Francisco has gotta buy this week and then they
get the aforementioned Indianapolis Colts after that, So I don't
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know if the plan is continue to go back to
Tray Lance or are we looking at Jimmy Garoppolo. He's healthy,
he's going to get the starting again for San Francisco.
It sounds like from everything I've seen, Trey Lance will
not be back after the by at least not in time,
but Jimmy g will be, so that that's my expectation.
Is Jimmy G back at quarterback for the forts Lands,
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still trying to kind of rehab it and come back
from the spring knee, and and you think that you'd
you'd be careful with this moving forward, considering he's a rookie.
You've gave up a big price to go up and
get him the draft, and I don't think there's any
need to rush him back, especially when it's not as
if things looked overly smooth for him in that game.
I think his mobility and legs were a big key
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to him being able to be effective, and if he
goes out there not he'll almost be a sitting duck
sting in the pocket back there. You gotta also keep
in mind that his mobility and his athletic ability could
have been the biggest downfall to his health as well.
I mean, he took one of the biggest shots, got
cracked right on that goal line run. And sometimes you
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don't know what you don't know until you know, and
then that's a very very hard lesson to learn. And
I think he learned a very hard lesson that those
hits feel a little different at the next level, and
they feel a little different at the next level. So
uh yeah, I think you definitely have to to protect
him from himself at this at this point, and I
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think that he's he's obviously a major contributor and will
be moving forward. But as far as with Garoppolo, I
don't think that there's any question today that he gives
your team the best opportunity to win. And and give
give credit to to Shanahan for quieting down the noise
when all of those conversations were persisting as to what
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do you do with Garoppolo versus what do you do
with Lands? And he never wavered on what what his
approach was. And and now you've got an opportunity to
see why. I wonder, did you see the hit where
Lance was scramd link towards the goal line and Isaiah
Simmons and I can't think of who the other defender was.
I mean, they came up and they popped. It was
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almost similar to the Daniel Jones play. The difference was
Lance didn't necessarily get up quite as woozy or it
looked like the hit affected him. But I don't know.
I always wonder too, especially for a young player, if
you know, maybe he got his bell rung a little
bit there on that particular hit. And again I'm not
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saying that he's doing this, but I have known people
who have used other injuries exactly exactly. Yeah, I'm just
saying I heard. I won't go there, but yes, yes,
because it's it's my team, I won't put out the ward.
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It was obvious he reached down and grabbed his calf
after he'd just taken a big hit, and everybody knew
what he was doing. It was right when the concussion
protocol stuff first started happening, and that concussion pro of
calls as real. Bro, that ain't going nowhere. So once
you're in it, it ain't. It ain't the team's choice
and your choice. Like, I feel fine, I'm ready to
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go back in. Uh, where's my helmet? Noop and getting it. Yeah,
it's uh, two pros and a cup of Joe here
on Fox Sports Radio. All right, it's coming up fifteen
minutes from now. We will have a look back on
the results from the prop at Monster. Also, I'm gonna
make the case that there is a play in the
NFL that should be reviewable. All right, this should be reviewable,
and I want to throw it at the the former
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NFL players and see what they think here see if
if I'm speaking out of turn or not, because I
believe that this is uh, it's ridiculous and it almost
cost a team last night and Monday Night football. So
there's that. Um. John Gruten is out as Raider's head coach. Um.
As that he mentioned in his update, Uh, you know
the New York Times releasing the uh details from emails
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that are you know, uh, anti gay slurs, um, misogynistic um,
the racial undertones and stuff that was thrown out there
when it came to the Demurie Smith stuff, the criticism
he had. There was also pictures sent back and forth
about the Washington cheerleaders like it it ran the gamut.
It's it's all in there. You can see all the
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details for yourself. All of which would get us all
fired on the air if we repeated them on the air.
So there's that, But it brings up this conversation about
how long the Raiders knew the extent of these emails
before they ultimately made the move to walk away from John.
Is how long do you know versus how when do
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you care? Well? And that's and this this is why
I bring this up because Gruden was asked something and
I remember because we actually touched on this yesterday after
the game, the loss of the Bears, and he was
asked something by a reporter, and I just wonder if
Gruden knew about these other emails before he had this
response here, this was from Sunday the NF that they're
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not any other racial instancetive remarks about you out there
in the atmosphere. I can say is I'm not a racist.
I don't. I can't tell you how sick I am.
I apologize again to to d Smith, but I feel
good about who I am and what I've done my
entire life. I apologize for the insensitive remarks I had.
I had no racial intentions with those remarks at all,
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but yes they can I'm I'm not like that at all,
but I apologize. I don't want to keep addressing it
all right. Do you think that he knew about the other? Yes, yes,
that's why I responded that way. I think there's the
better question to me is do you think he ever
wishous he didn't come back and take that job? I mean, right,
look at it from this perspective he was making I
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want to say, close to the amount that he was
getting paid per year as the head coach at the
Las Vegas Race six plus million. From what I remember,
I think it was a little more than that. And
let's just say he's there during the time of Romo.
I mean, nothing gets Romo. But you tell me who's
better than I mean by I mean, I don't think
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it's close. And so the second that Romo gets that deal,
you don't think. And and look at ESPN on Monday
Night Football. Since he left it, they've been a spinning
top of trying to figure out like who's best for
this and who's best suited for this. Now you've got
the Manning brothers who weren't on last night but have
been on doing their own broadcast. They had something called
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the Booger Mobile at one point that. I mean, it
got so gimmicky to the point where like the Booger
Mobile became an issue because it was blocked ye, and
so then that became a problem, like who is this
big man right in front of me? I paid good
money for these seas and that they had to put
a TV screen on the back of it, a monitor
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just so the people who are blocked by It's still
a few things kicked him on the monitor, But I digress.
The whole point of that, And interesting that is the
fact that they have never recovered They're still trying to
replace Jon Cruden. And you know, I don't know if
he got complacent, if he just got the it's to
want to come back. But now you look at where
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he's at, and I don't think that opportunity is going
to be there for him, even though I think they
they wish they could have him back, and he's you know,
he's been put in a position where all this stuff
comes out about his conduct or correspondence behind closed doors
and all to come back and coach the Raiders for
three plus years. I just I wonder if he wishes
he just would have stayed out of it altogether. That's
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that's hindsight because again, like I laid off with right,
it only matters until it matters. So when you're saying
those things and you're you're behaving in that manner, you
don't do it thinking that, oh man to three years,
nine years, eight years, six years from now, this this
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email chain is going to come back to bite in
the ass. Like you're not looking at it from that perspective.
You are just doing what you're doing, which is being
who you are communicating with, who you're communicating whatever your
communication patterns have become. And that's comfort. That's comfort, it's
it's building your community, it's living within your community. And
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you don't look at it from this perspective. You don't
look at it as to if this got out, how
many people with this hurt? You don't look at it
that way. You look at it as this is private
conversation that I'm having and it would be no different
than you sitting at a dinner table having the conversation
that you have and what I always call your native tongue,
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everybody had you want to know who somebody really is,
be a fly on the wall at their dinner table,
because that's who they are. Whatever it is you here,
come out of their mouth the things they say. I
don't care what your race, color, your oriented ation. You
want to know who somebody is. Listen to what they
had to say at their dinner table, and that's who
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they are. You don't worry about what you're saying there
because you're safe. That's your your installation, that's your community.
And that's what John Gruden did. So he didn't have
any regrets. He told you, I don't have any regrets
regrets about who I am as a person and what
I represent. I'm not this. This is not what I am.
But it only mattered until when when it mattered, like
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it matters now. So it only matters now. He wasn't
looking at this like, man, I wish I would have
never took this job. It only mattered because he got
caught when hez Yeah, but that doesn't mean that he
doesn't potentially regret it or he's not he does today. Yeah,
he didn't regret it, like like, think about this. He
didn't regret it going into getting the job. Is what
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I'm saying. It didn't matter. I'm taking this job. This
is a great opportunity. Think about how the NFL used him,
by the way, or the Raiders did right, Like he
was on Hard Knocks. They they got hard Knocks. They
wanted Hard Knocks because of how entertaining he is. He
was a star on Hard Knocks. He helped that team
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move from Oakland to laus Bags, which is huge. I mean,
that is a monumental deal. A lot of people thought,
you know, Jeff Fisher, that they hung on to Jeff
Fisher with the Rams because he had been through that
mute from Houston to Tennessee, and that it was important
to have someone who had done it before, who who'd
kind of been there before. And so Jeff Fisher, they
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they you know, put pressure on them to hang on
to him to help with that transition, and so that
you could make this case that the same thing now
kind of with Jon Gruden, who was utilized to transition them.
And so you know, now again I don't I don't
know how these were leaked or I mean, obviously you know,
you're you're trying to clean up the conduct of one
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team and your figure out maybe there's something worse going
on with another team to a degree or similar too,
and so that becomes public. But it's just interesting to
look at how the NFL used John grud in a
way ultimately to build him up, only too to see
his downfall. If he's still at ESPN, did these emails
get leaked? No? Yeah, I'm gonna say now, I mean, look,
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so he still wrote him. The hard thing is is
maybe they do, because this was all about Washington. This
wasn't about the Raiders are Jon Gruden, And so maybe
they still do, and maybe he still comes under fire,
so none of it really matters. Here's what's crazy. It's
all about Demorris. It's all about this came out because
of the Morris being under fire. They see you guys
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got there, you got We're missing a No, because the
investigation was from the NFL side of it, and okay,
but based on what took place, what what there was
going on? There was There was the one comment about
de Maries, right, which I think he addressed, that was
initially came out, and that was gonna be its own problem.
If that was the only thing that came out from
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an email in two thousand and eleven, he probably survives it.
But the problem was is you saw emails all the
way to two thousand eighteen, which then covered a whole well,
no, no no, no, no no, no, because because the problem is
he started ended up impacting and and basically insulting everyone,
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and it was more recent and so that that to
me was the greater issue, was it wasn't just one mistake,
it was a pattern of mistakes over a series of
years where you're kind of like, I don't think he's
learned his lessoner changed his ways by any means. But
let me ask you this, if the Demorris aspect of
what just transpired doesn't set off the fire alarm, well
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what do you mean by that? Because the PAS vote
has nothing to do with an NFL investigation, correct, But
it being connected to John Gruden and it becoming a
thing for John Gruden does because it was directly it
was directly put out there based upon Demores his comments
about Demorris Smith, which is the only the relevance of
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it coming out right now if you look at it,
is what's going on with Demorris Smith and the NFL
p A. So and we all know that there's always
the rocky situation, the rocky relationship between the National Football
League and the in the NFL p A. We know
that that there's this power struggle and all the different
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things that are going on with that. I'm asking you,
does this come out if the Demorris Smith situation is
a not Nolan void of what's going on with him
right now? Does this come out because it's it's a
racial issue. Yes, I don't. I don't think those two
things that have anything to do with one another. I
think they're separate issues like the NFL p A vote
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and that are separate from the investigation the NFL was doing. Yes, no, no,
I think ultimate agree with that. But right ultimately this
is a racial issue. It's not about the vote or
the p A or any of that stuff. Does that
make it to the media consumption even if so, you're
saying it's just total coincidence that the Morris Smith being
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where he's at right now. The comments made about de
Morris Smith by Gruden and and emails nine years ago, which,
by the way, the investigation of the Washington football team
has already concluded far enough along to to do whatever
discipline they've done to the owner of the organization, comes
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out at the same exact time that the Morris Smith
is fighting for votes to stay on. When he was voted,
he was already voted back in Friday. So yeah, that's
when did this come out? Right? Well, they might have
they might have known. No, it came out last week.
I mean, so the timing of it lights up. I
just I don't think the NFLP has access to an
NFL investigation. Yeah, I don't think. But see, I don't
(34:52):
think it's the nfl P. I don't know who it is.
That's what I'm saying. But the relevance of why it
has became relevant is based upon the the verbal jab
an assault in a way verbally to Demorris Smith. That's
the whole catalyst. If we go to point A, what
is the catalyst of all this happening, it's it's the
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ittataist is he made a racial comment. And that's a
hot button issue. I think, whether it's misogynistic or whatever
you want to say about it, like those sorts of things,
there's there's you know, there's there's no room for that
in and how we speak to one. But the catalyst
of that racial response or that racial So you're saying,
if he got voted out, this wouldn't be an issue.
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We wouldn't be talking about it. I'm saying that if
it doesn't come up as it applies to the Morris Smith.
It might have not have hit this way. That's why
I think it's coming out regardless. It has nothing to
do with Maurice the Smith's status with the NFL. But
don't you think it should have came out. It would
have came out before this then, because they had already
been in hand. Uh maybe I get I don't know
how the New York Times has got ahold of it.
(35:55):
I assume they've had it for a while. I'm just
saying that's that's it's I mean, you could be right,
but I could be one percent right on this one.
It doesn't I don't even think it becomes a thing
if it isn't connected to the Morris Smith. There's a
way you get through this without because there are a
lot of things that go wrong in those type of
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It's like that person that has the name no one
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Like I just accept the fact that Lamar Jackson, Lamar
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You know, Brady knows why I'm sticks. Now. It's two
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will have more on that later on, but uhill listen. Now,
that's what Carson went should be doing to the Cults nation,
because my god, that team is bad. That is a
bad football team. That team stinks. They blow a big
lead last night. I think it's the first time in
the history of the franchise they had a six team
point or larger lead in the fourth quarter and watched
(01:48):
it evaporate as they fall to the Baltimore Ravens on
the road last night. And now the Indianapolis Culture sitting
at one and four on the season. What the hell happened?
Wentz effect? Yeah, it's crazy because I mean Brady was
saying before the season, Carson Wentz is a dark horse
m v P. That is that what I I'm stunning
(02:09):
that what I said is that what you said. We
got to be careful what Brady said, because you know,
we don't want cancel culture. I'll be getting canceled for
a take that wasn't even mine. He definitely said that
that Wentz had to two of the same same side feet.
You know, he definitely said that that's that was I
(02:29):
was sure. I did say his double ankle injury. It
was only specific to a certain idea foreshadow his downfall,
but we didn't know that it would be the downfall
of the entirety. I mean, my god, they are bad, man.
What that? What the hell is going on? Well? Herere
the problems. Tell me this much. Outside of Jonathan Taylor,
(02:51):
who scares you on that offense? Nobody, I mean played,
Who are you lining up against the Colts and saying
outside of trying to stop Jonathon tap Like, who scares him? Yeah?
I mean yeah, yeah, yeah, lavars take Nelson pulling on
that's that's his biggest concern in that game highlight film.
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I mean, that's and that's that's a problem. And especially
it's a problem when your defense, which was I think
we'd say one of the best in the NFL probably
in recent years, is not playing anywhere close to that. Uh.
They were the number ten past defense going into last night,
and they gave up over four yards to Lamar Jackson,
and so you know, take that for what it's worth.
(03:35):
I just this team is so disjointed it right now.
I don't know if it was you know, the the
injuries coming into the season, all the pressure that's on
Carson Wentz. I don't know what to you know, stack
it up to. I always think it's it's difficult for
any player when you're transitioning from one team to another,
let alone a quarterback, because of how new everything is.
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And even even though there was history between Frank Reik
and Carson Wentz, it's still all the guys you're throwing
too that you haven't thrown to. And you could do
it in practice, but it's different once you get into
a game. You know, the speed of it, the nonverbal communication,
the way guys coming in in and out through the routes,
the way it all works out when you're actually on
the field, that takes time. I think we saw that
(04:17):
a little bit last year with Philip Rivers. Even though
you know by the end of the season they're they're
playing better football. It probably you know it should be
the same for the Colts this year, but I don't know.
I mean, the the way Wentz is playing, the way
this team looks right now, I'm not sure what you
do outside of if this doesn't work, you're looking back
into the draft for for someone to be behind center
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next year. I mean that's one percent what the issue is, right, Like,
if you think about it, the biggest the biggest downfall
with teams is when you put your trust into a
player that plays that position in particular and they're not
what they're supposed to be. It impacts everything. It impacts everything.
(05:00):
And Carson Wentz has not been what he's needed to
be for this Colts team. So that's going to impact
how your offense plays, the confidence and how they do
what they do because the confidence isn't there, they're going
to It's going to impact the way that the defense plays,
like where you will where you may feel a certain
(05:21):
type of way about Okay, I can play this way
and I'm gonna try to make plays. But if something
doesn't work out, I know for certain our offense got
our back. Our quarterback is going to lead the way
and we'll be able to get a reprieve. Right. But
once you start to realize that, you can't really count
(05:41):
on that, and even if you have a lead, even
if you have a lead, there's always that thought in
your mind like we're just not we're not going to
get it done, or or oh we're losing the momentum
of the game, or whatever it may be. There's just
a lack of confidence. And I'll give you a great
example on the other side of the ball. You're seeing that.
(06:04):
You want to know why why j o Is is
playing so well because of the confidence that they have
in Lamar Jackson. You want to know why they don't panic.
I'm sitting there looking at uh, what's my man's name,
the the old head that that blocked the field goal.
Calais right, I'm blanking on his name. You want to
know why he's coming off the field with his muscles
(06:25):
pumped up and all jacked up and they're down by
eight point One of the biggest human beings I've ever
seen in my life, and he used all of that
bigness and he stretched it on out and and blocked
that ball. You know what I mean, he kept it
from getting in there. Uh, it's because they have confidence
in Lamar Jackson. The overarching field, the confidence what we
can accomplish and get done and do is based upon
(06:48):
your belief or this, you know, inability to believe in
the person that's leading the team. And that's what the
Coats are dealing with right now. Here's why it shouldn't
be that much of a surprise. They downgraded at quarterback.
Why did we expect them that they were going to
be a better football team. Philip Rivers was a better
quarterback than Carson Wentz last year. He was a better
quarterback than Carson Wentz the year. But like they downgraded
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at the position, but everybody wanted to label it as well,
it was the circumstance in the situation, and he was
in a really tough spot. It's a mean give me
a break, Like we've seen backup quarterbacks go there and
have success. They downgraded at the position, and then everybody
just assumed they were going to go ahead and make
a deeper run in the postseason because they had figured
(07:30):
it out and they had gotten younger. Just because you
got younger doesn't mean he got better. And I know that.
That was always my skepticism. And I loved the Indianapolis
last year. I picked him to win the Super Bowl
last year. Terrible pick, one of multiple terrible picks that
I've made over the past couple of years. But I
looked at it and said, that's the key position. You've
gotten worse had Philip Rivers not decided to retire. You're
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not making the move for Carson Wentz. So the idea
that they were going to all of a sudden be
the team to beat again in the a f C
South and make a run, I just thought was are fetched. No,
I mean it's it's to a degree, it's far fetched.
It's a little disrespectful to the Titans for what they've
been able to accomplish. Um. Look, this isn't an indictment
on Frank Rich. He's had a lot of moving parts
(08:15):
during his time as the Colts head coach. I almost wondered, too,
if you're looking at the roster in the way they've
built it, I don't know if the decision to bring
in Wentz was so much Chris Ballard or Frank Reich
pushing to do so. But what's what's become a little
bit exposed is they haven't been able to draft, excuse me,
(08:35):
draft or fine a big time playmaker on the outside.
You know, Paris Campbell hasn't necessarily lived up to that.
Michael Pittman had a couple of nice plays, um, and
he steps up from time to time. But as I
said before, this game is all about big plays and playmakers,
and the only guy who consistently does this for this
offense is Jonathan Taylor, and it's hard to do that
(08:55):
if you're the only guy doing You've got to have
a few. You've got to be able to put pressure
on a defense. Defensively, I think they've got some young
players who have stepped up. You know, the acquisition of
of Deforce Buckner has has helped out this group. Darius
Slanders obviously a stud, but there's they're still not playing
up to I think the standard that they need to
if their offense is gonna struggle like this. So it's
(09:17):
just this isn't right now. This is not a good
football team, which is stating the obvious. But it's not
like you're pointing the finger. It just wentz. He's gonna
shoulder the majority of the blame. But it's all parties
involved when it's all said done, because you can make
the case when you're up by sixteen points your defense
shouldn't let him back in the game. And you could
also make the case that, hey, how many times when
(09:39):
Peyton Manning Andrew Luck had that sort of lead did
they not put up more points or do they not
figure out a way of moving the sticks, eating up
more more clock and getting out of the game. Right, Like,
you can point the blame and as many many people
as you want. This is just not a good football team.
And also t Y Hilton's out and he's been their
most consistent threat for an two banged. What it's funny
(10:01):
is is what what side of the narratives do you
want to fall on? Right? We blame Jimmy Garoppolo for
them not winning the Super Bowl. People blame Jimmy Garoppolo
for not winning the Super Bowl, but gave them a
two possession game lead against the eventual Kansas City Chiefs champions.
And it's like, oh, he didn't make the throws when
(10:22):
he needed to make the throws. He didn't get it done.
Jimmy Garoppolo costed them. But what about the defense? And
that's the same thing that happened last night. Are we
blaming Carson Wentz? Are we blaming the defense or are
we blaming both? You know? Because to me, you gotta
blame both. You can't just be like, Okay, Carson Wentz
gave him a sixteen point lead. Okay, they let it
(10:44):
get away. All right, Well, but Carson Wentz had every
opportunity to be in there when they saw that lead
getting away. You could have easily uh neutralized the run
and took the momentum back before they overcame your sixteen
point deficit. That's one, right, But then you have the
other side of it when you when you you decide
(11:04):
to when we take these these conversations and and the
narrative can can always be based upon Okay, well, the
defense didn't do what they needed to do, even though
the quarterback did what he was supposed to do. And
then you look at and you say, okay, we can
change this and something good can happen. Example, do you
(11:25):
realize that the Kansas City Chiefs are only one game
better then this Indianapolis coach team, And yet we sit
there and we say they can write the ship, they
can turn it around. Patrick Mahomes is the best quarterback
in the game. He's the best that the league has offered.
This that they are one game ahead of the Colts.
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And yet at the same token, when you have the conversation,
do you have to say the same things. The ball
isn't being protected by the quarterback, the defense is are
teaming grossly. You you're saying the same we're saying the
same exact things about Kansas City. But yeah, we think
Kansas City can turn it around. It's well and I
think that's you know, based on reputation, right, we just
(12:12):
we look at what they've they're one game better. Here's
for last night's loss. If you're Indianapolis and you guys
tell me like, because it feels like you're watching the
game going, oh man, same old Colts. But it looked
like they were going to win that game. They were,
they were dominant in that game. The offense looked great,
the defense was making plays, they were forcing turnovers. I
(12:34):
mean the fact that they called that an illegal forward
pass and the fumble return, I don't know what the
hell they were watching. That is the worst reference. I
don't get it. What of my canceled culture needs to
direct because that that touchdown in Iowa where that dude
punched a pylon and they called it a touchdown. Now, yeah,
(12:55):
I mean there are so many calls now that I'm
just starting to just really get irritated. We're just brought
out a body bag from officials. Yeah that is so
Now we'll go after them next. But like all of
that being said, so you feel like you're gonna win
that game and then you still lose. How demoralizing is
(13:16):
That takes a belief away, And whether you admit it
or not, it's it's there. That seed of doubt grows
inside of you. Whether you want to acknowledge it or not,
it's there. I think the difficulty for the Colts is
and Wentz too. He had his best performance of the
season last week, and and sometimes when you get off
(13:39):
to a bad start, you're just trying to find like
that that that formula. You know, you're trying to find
that moja, figure out what it takes to get able
to get a win. Had his best performance last week
and then this week. You know again, I'm not gonna
say it was, you know, like the first few weeks.
But that's the hard part is trying to figure out
(13:59):
that winning formula each week, and sometimes it just it
takes you playing a different type of game. And this
was one that they just haven't figured it out yet. Man.
So that that trip back, you know, a bottle of
Crown Royal they're sipping on. I don't know what you
tell them, Uh it is by the way do you
think players, So when they're staying in the hotel, do
(14:20):
you think any of them pocket some of the little
bottles of booze and take them with him for the
flight back? You back? Why that? Because they don't put
alcohol in your room in a hotel, Jonas, they don't
have a mini bar, why not they clear it out?
You have access to that. I mean, you know just
what you act like these guys like they like walk
(14:41):
into a hotel and it's just like any other person
who goes and gets the hotel. You guys are talking
about first class and private jet yesterday. There have been
there have been to two Jonas is uh. There have
been guys like Glenn Porters has even told the story.
Santana even told the story. There are certain guys that
(15:02):
have smoked in their car or have drink like a
fifth in their car before going into the stadium. We
call them, yeah, I mean, we call them alcoholics. Just
so you know that that has been a part of
pregame routine before you got to practice. I mean, you know,
(15:22):
it's fascinating. Yeah, just I wondered, you know, if there's
like some little bottles of booze they take them to go.
You know what I mean, Like some people are in
I saved you from that, but you wanted to go
back around to it. I think these are fair questions.
You already answered your question on that one, but then
you want to go back to trying to get more
people canceled. That's not trying to get any people listening
(15:46):
to this show to feel like they were once in
the NFL. And if you've ever snuck a bottle of
booze from how about this room you're in the I've
got a different method to feel like they were once
in the NFL. Uh. They get to walk ten yards
away from LaVar and he gets to sprint full speed
at them and hit him once, and then they can
get a small taste of what it's like to be
(16:07):
in the NFL. How about that. I got that in
me too, I got I got ten yards sprint in me.
They trust me. I will gladly. I will gladly throw
them interception and go cover down and make that tackle too. Yeah.
I will graduly sacrifice another interception on my record just
to be able to get a hit on a couple
of a couple of meat heads here taking it out.
Just be careful don't don't taking it out. I wish
(16:30):
it was Jonas. That would be my favorite YouTube. Absolutely
light up Jonas like Christmas. That that's that victim talk
that you get going on nobody. I want to hit
Joey is so hard he turned the powder. Here's powder. Yeah,
here's That's a great movie, by the way, not bad.
(16:52):
But here's here's the best part is because I know
Brady's uh, I have never seen that one. Yeah, it
doesn't feel like our WIFEI here here, I'm taking the
other one, Johnny depth. Here's here's the other thing. Because
because Brady is allergic to shellfish, I will cover myself
(17:15):
in shrimp cocktail, and then I want to see that
hard ass come tack with me. I can't wait. You
don't want to do I'm gonna carry Eppin in my
back pocket, stab myself, right man, fair enough. I'm not
allergic to it, So you're still gonna catch Rick. I'm
gonna hit Joonas so hard to knocks out all his hair,
spreading mammal mode. I might start biting your legs like shrimps,
(17:38):
leaving conditions an arm blue cramp. I've just realized something
I'm offended by. With this conversation smells like lobster. Let
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have an interesting response to a question for a head coach.
Over the weekend. We are going to look into this
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We are going going to get into uh some interesting
sound upon further review. When you actually take a listen
to this sound, Uh, it makes you wonder what else
(19:08):
was out there. We also got a look back on
the prop at Monster results from Monday Night Football. I
know everybody is anxiously awaiting all that, so as we
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has two thousand, twenty one Nilson Report limitations apply, by
the way, on the tray lance Uh. Situation in San Francisco.
Apparently suffered a knee sprain. Uh, and so there is
some question about whether or not he's going to miss time.
San Francisco has gotta buy this week and then they
get the aforementioned Indianapolis Colts after that, So I don't
(19:53):
know if the plan is continue to go back to
Tray Lance or are we looking at Jimmy Garoppolo. He's healthy,
he's going to get the starting again for San Francisco.
It sounds like from everything I've seen, Trey Lance will
not be back after the by at least not in time,
but Jimmy g will be, so that that's my expectation.
Is Jimmy G back at quarterback for the forts Lands,
(20:15):
still trying to kind of rehab it and come back
from the spring knee, and and you think that you'd
you'd be careful with this moving forward, considering he's a rookie.
You've gave up a big price to go up and
get him the draft, and I don't think there's any
need to rush him back, especially when it's not as
if things looked overly smooth for him in that game.
I think his mobility and legs were a big key
(20:38):
to him being able to be effective, and if he
goes out there not he'll almost be a sitting duck
sting in the pocket back there. You gotta also keep
in mind that his mobility and his athletic ability could
have been the biggest downfall to his health as well.
I mean, he took one of the biggest shots, got
cracked right on that goal line run. And sometimes you
(20:59):
don't know what you don't know until you know, and
then that's a very very hard lesson to learn. And
I think he learned a very hard lesson that those
hits feel a little different at the next level, and
they feel a little different at the next level. So
uh yeah, I think you definitely have to to protect
him from himself at this at this point, and I
(21:22):
think that he's he's obviously a major contributor and will
be moving forward. But as far as with Garoppolo, I
don't think that there's any question today that he gives
your team the best opportunity to win. And and give
give credit to to Shanahan for quieting down the noise
when all of those conversations were persisting as to what
(21:45):
do you do with Garoppolo versus what do you do
with Lands? And he never wavered on what what his
approach was. And and now you've got an opportunity to
see why. I wonder, did you see the hit where
Lance was scramd link towards the goal line and Isaiah
Simmons and I can't think of who the other defender was.
I mean, they came up and they popped. It was
(22:08):
almost similar to the Daniel Jones play. The difference was
Lance didn't necessarily get up quite as woozy or it
looked like the hit affected him. But I don't know.
I always wonder too, especially for a young player, if
you know, maybe he got his bell rung a little
bit there on that particular hit. And again I'm not
(22:28):
saying that he's doing this, but I have known people
who have used other injuries exactly exactly. Yeah, I'm just
saying I heard. I won't go there, but yes, yes,
because it's it's my team, I won't put out the ward.
(22:50):
It was obvious he reached down and grabbed his calf
after he'd just taken a big hit, and everybody knew
what he was doing. It was right when the concussion
protocol stuff first started happening, and that concussion pro of
calls as real. Bro, that ain't going nowhere. So once
you're in it, it ain't. It ain't the team's choice
and your choice. Like, I feel fine, I'm ready to
(23:10):
go back in. Uh, where's my helmet? Noop and getting it. Yeah,
it's uh, two pros and a cup of Joe here
on Fox Sports Radio. All right, it's coming up fifteen
minutes from now. We will have a look back on
the results from the prop at Monster. Also, I'm gonna
make the case that there is a play in the
NFL that should be reviewable. All right, this should be reviewable,
and I want to throw it at the the former
(23:31):
NFL players and see what they think here see if
if I'm speaking out of turn or not, because I
believe that this is uh, it's ridiculous and it almost
cost a team last night and Monday Night football. So
there's that. Um. John Gruten is out as Raider's head coach. Um.
As that he mentioned in his update, Uh, you know
the New York Times releasing the uh details from emails
(23:53):
that are you know, uh, anti gay slurs, um, misogynistic um,
the racial undertones and stuff that was thrown out there
when it came to the Demurie Smith stuff, the criticism
he had. There was also pictures sent back and forth
about the Washington cheerleaders like it it ran the gamut.
It's it's all in there. You can see all the
(24:14):
details for yourself. All of which would get us all
fired on the air if we repeated them on the air.
So there's that, But it brings up this conversation about
how long the Raiders knew the extent of these emails
before they ultimately made the move to walk away from John.
Is how long do you know versus how when do
(24:38):
you care? Well? And that's and this this is why
I bring this up because Gruden was asked something and
I remember because we actually touched on this yesterday after
the game, the loss of the Bears, and he was
asked something by a reporter, and I just wonder if
Gruden knew about these other emails before he had this
response here, this was from Sunday the NF that they're
(25:00):
not any other racial instancetive remarks about you out there
in the atmosphere. I can say is I'm not a racist.
I don't. I can't tell you how sick I am.
I apologize again to to d Smith, but I feel
good about who I am and what I've done my
entire life. I apologize for the insensitive remarks I had.
I had no racial intentions with those remarks at all,
(25:21):
but yes they can I'm I'm not like that at all,
but I apologize. I don't want to keep addressing it
all right. Do you think that he knew about the other? Yes, yes,
that's why I responded that way. I think there's the
better question to me is do you think he ever
wishous he didn't come back and take that job? I mean, right,
look at it from this perspective he was making I
(25:46):
want to say, close to the amount that he was
getting paid per year as the head coach at the
Las Vegas Race six plus million. From what I remember,
I think it was a little more than that. And
let's just say he's there during the time of Romo.
I mean, nothing gets Romo. But you tell me who's
better than I mean by I mean, I don't think
(26:08):
it's close. And so the second that Romo gets that deal,
you don't think. And and look at ESPN on Monday
Night Football. Since he left it, they've been a spinning
top of trying to figure out like who's best for
this and who's best suited for this. Now you've got
the Manning brothers who weren't on last night but have
been on doing their own broadcast. They had something called
(26:30):
the Booger Mobile at one point that. I mean, it
got so gimmicky to the point where like the Booger
Mobile became an issue because it was blocked ye, and
so then that became a problem, like who is this
big man right in front of me? I paid good
money for these seas and that they had to put
a TV screen on the back of it, a monitor
(26:51):
just so the people who are blocked by It's still
a few things kicked him on the monitor, But I digress.
The whole point of that, And interesting that is the
fact that they have never recovered They're still trying to
replace Jon Cruden. And you know, I don't know if
he got complacent, if he just got the it's to
want to come back. But now you look at where
(27:13):
he's at, and I don't think that opportunity is going
to be there for him, even though I think they
they wish they could have him back, and he's you know,
he's been put in a position where all this stuff
comes out about his conduct or correspondence behind closed doors
and all to come back and coach the Raiders for
three plus years. I just I wonder if he wishes
he just would have stayed out of it altogether. That's
(27:36):
that's hindsight because again, like I laid off with right,
it only matters until it matters. So when you're saying
those things and you're you're behaving in that manner, you
don't do it thinking that, oh man to three years,
nine years, eight years, six years from now, this this
(27:57):
email chain is going to come back to bite in
the ass. Like you're not looking at it from that perspective.
You are just doing what you're doing, which is being
who you are communicating with, who you're communicating whatever your
communication patterns have become. And that's comfort. That's comfort, it's
it's building your community, it's living within your community. And
(28:21):
you don't look at it from this perspective. You don't
look at it as to if this got out, how
many people with this hurt? You don't look at it
that way. You look at it as this is private
conversation that I'm having and it would be no different
than you sitting at a dinner table having the conversation
that you have and what I always call your native tongue,
(28:44):
everybody had you want to know who somebody really is,
be a fly on the wall at their dinner table,
because that's who they are. Whatever it is you here,
come out of their mouth the things they say. I
don't care what your race, color, your oriented ation. You
want to know who somebody is. Listen to what they
had to say at their dinner table, and that's who
(29:05):
they are. You don't worry about what you're saying there
because you're safe. That's your your installation, that's your community.
And that's what John Gruden did. So he didn't have
any regrets. He told you, I don't have any regrets
regrets about who I am as a person and what
I represent. I'm not this. This is not what I am.
But it only mattered until when when it mattered, like
(29:29):
it matters now. So it only matters now. He wasn't
looking at this like, man, I wish I would have
never took this job. It only mattered because he got
caught when hez Yeah, but that doesn't mean that he
doesn't potentially regret it or he's not he does today. Yeah,
he didn't regret it, like like, think about this. He
didn't regret it going into getting the job. Is what
(29:50):
I'm saying. It didn't matter. I'm taking this job. This
is a great opportunity. Think about how the NFL used him,
by the way, or the Raiders did right, Like he
was on Hard Knocks. They they got hard Knocks. They
wanted Hard Knocks because of how entertaining he is. He
was a star on Hard Knocks. He helped that team
(30:12):
move from Oakland to laus Bags, which is huge. I mean,
that is a monumental deal. A lot of people thought,
you know, Jeff Fisher, that they hung on to Jeff
Fisher with the Rams because he had been through that
mute from Houston to Tennessee, and that it was important
to have someone who had done it before, who who'd
kind of been there before. And so Jeff Fisher, they
(30:33):
they you know, put pressure on them to hang on
to him to help with that transition, and so that
you could make this case that the same thing now
kind of with Jon Gruden, who was utilized to transition them.
And so you know, now again I don't I don't
know how these were leaked or I mean, obviously you know,
you're you're trying to clean up the conduct of one
(30:54):
team and your figure out maybe there's something worse going
on with another team to a degree or similar too,
and so that becomes public. But it's just interesting to
look at how the NFL used John grud in a
way ultimately to build him up, only too to see
his downfall. If he's still at ESPN, did these emails
get leaked? No? Yeah, I'm gonna say now, I mean, look,
(31:16):
so he still wrote him. The hard thing is is
maybe they do, because this was all about Washington. This
wasn't about the Raiders are Jon Gruden, And so maybe
they still do, and maybe he still comes under fire,
so none of it really matters. Here's what's crazy. It's
all about Demorris. It's all about this came out because
of the Morris being under fire. They see you guys
(31:40):
got there, you got We're missing a No, because the
investigation was from the NFL side of it, and okay,
but based on what took place, what what there was
going on? There was There was the one comment about
de Maries, right, which I think he addressed, that was
initially came out, and that was gonna be its own problem.
If that was the only thing that came out from
(32:02):
an email in two thousand and eleven, he probably survives it.
But the problem was is you saw emails all the
way to two thousand eighteen, which then covered a whole well,
no, no no, no, no no, no, because because the problem is
he started ended up impacting and and basically insulting everyone,
(32:22):
and it was more recent and so that that to
me was the greater issue, was it wasn't just one mistake,
it was a pattern of mistakes over a series of
years where you're kind of like, I don't think he's
learned his lessoner changed his ways by any means. But
let me ask you this, if the Demorris aspect of
what just transpired doesn't set off the fire alarm, well
(32:45):
what do you mean by that? Because the PAS vote
has nothing to do with an NFL investigation, correct, But
it being connected to John Gruden and it becoming a
thing for John Gruden does because it was directly it
was directly put out there based upon Demores his comments
about Demorris Smith, which is the only the relevance of
(33:05):
it coming out right now if you look at it,
is what's going on with Demorris Smith and the NFL
p A. So and we all know that there's always
the rocky situation, the rocky relationship between the National Football
League and the in the NFL p A. We know
that that there's this power struggle and all the different
(33:26):
things that are going on with that. I'm asking you,
does this come out if the Demorris Smith situation is
a not Nolan void of what's going on with him
right now? Does this come out because it's it's a
racial issue. Yes, I don't. I don't think those two
things that have anything to do with one another. I
think they're separate issues like the NFL p A vote
(33:49):
and that are separate from the investigation the NFL was doing. Yes, no, no,
I think ultimate agree with that. But right ultimately this
is a racial issue. It's not about the vote or
the p A or any of that stuff. Does that
make it to the media consumption even if so, you're
saying it's just total coincidence that the Morris Smith being
(34:10):
where he's at right now. The comments made about de
Morris Smith by Gruden and and emails nine years ago, which,
by the way, the investigation of the Washington football team
has already concluded far enough along to to do whatever
discipline they've done to the owner of the organization, comes
(34:30):
out at the same exact time that the Morris Smith
is fighting for votes to stay on. When he was voted,
he was already voted back in Friday. So yeah, that's
when did this come out? Right? Well, they might have
they might have known. No, it came out last week.
I mean, so the timing of it lights up. I
just I don't think the NFLP has access to an
NFL investigation. Yeah, I don't think. But see, I don't
(34:52):
think it's the nfl P. I don't know who it is.
That's what I'm saying. But the relevance of why it
has became relevant is based upon the the verbal jab
an assault in a way verbally to Demorris Smith. That's
the whole catalyst. If we go to point A, what
is the catalyst of all this happening, it's it's the
(35:13):
ittataist is he made a racial comment. And that's a
hot button issue. I think, whether it's misogynistic or whatever
you want to say about it, like those sorts of things,
there's there's you know, there's there's no room for that
in and how we speak to one. But the catalyst
of that racial response or that racial So you're saying,
if he got voted out, this wouldn't be an issue.
(35:34):
We wouldn't be talking about it. I'm saying that if
it doesn't come up as it applies to the Morris Smith.
It might have not have hit this way. That's why
I think it's coming out regardless. It has nothing to
do with Maurice the Smith's status with the NFL. But
don't you think it should have came out. It would
have came out before this then, because they had already
been in hand. Uh maybe I get I don't know
how the New York Times has got ahold of it.
(35:55):
I assume they've had it for a while. I'm just
saying that's that's it's I mean, you could be right,
but I could be one percent right on this one.
It doesn't I don't even think it becomes a thing
if it isn't connected to the Morris Smith. There's a
way you get through this without because there are a
lot of things that go wrong in those type of
(36:15):
veins that don't ever make it to the light of day.
This made it to the light of day, and you
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(37:40):
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LaVar Arrington. He has evened up the season standings on
the prop at Monster. He had it. He had Lamar Jackson,
who um, they didn't have over a hundred rushing yards
of the street. It's a bummer. Yeah, that's a bomber.
(38:00):
They were really working hard for that. But to Lamar Jackson,
it took over time, but he does get it done.
Lamar Jaction has become Lamar. But Jonathan tam Brod one
person in Iowa City who called you I did. I
did an interview with Orlando Pace yesterday. He called me
(38:21):
Lamar like three or four times, and they come back,
they snap back in and it's like LaVar, But I
am one Lamar fifty percent of the time these days.
And Janni's brothers, you're in my name. Yeah, that's just
a Freudian slip though. I think if they do said,
I don't feel disrespected at all. It's it's funny to me.
It's like that person that has the name no one
(38:41):
can pronounce, and you just get to the point of
where it's like you're okay with however they say your name,
Like I just accept the fact that Lamar Jackson, Lamar
is so close to LaVar and his greatness as a
player at this point is really jacking up how people
say my name. I'm Lamar more often than not anymore. Yeah,
(39:02):
I mean, I gotta hold it down so that they
don't call my son Lamar. But then again, I tell him,
you gotta be significant enough where now maybe they start
calling you know what I mean, that's we just call
you sticks. Yeah, I'm I'm always okay with that. Yeah,
just you Stick. I'm always okay with that. You know.
You know, Brady knows why I'm sticks. Now. It's two
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