November 1, 2021 • 34 mins
Jonas Knox commends LaVar Arrington for never counting out the Saints, as Sean Payton continues to own Tom Brady and the Bucs in the regular season. They're sorry Jameis Winston suffered a 'significant' knee injury after a horse-collar tackle, but they aren't for demonizing the brutality in the NFL. Plus, Jets backup QB Mike White could haunt the Bengals when it comes to playoff seeding and LaVar makes the case for starting him over Zach Wilson.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It's the best of two pros and a couple of
Joe with lamar Arians Brady Quinn and Joe miss Knocks.
On Fox Sports Radio. A couple of weeks ago, Aaron
Rodgers made some headlines because he told Bears fans that
he owned them. Yeah, yes, and and and he that
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is indeed a fact. He does own the Chicago Bears.
So if using that rationale, does that mean that Sean
Payton owns Tom Brady. I mean, because I understand the
playoff game a year ago. When it comes to regular season,
for some reason, he owns Tom Brady in Tampa he
has he owns Tampa Bay. You know Tom Tampa Brady. Uh,
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but he also owns Sean Payton or Sean Payton excuse me,
also owns Bruce Arians. I mean, he's seven and one
against Bruce Arians as the Buccaneers. Uh, well against Bruce
Arians as a coach, and I believe he's nineteen and
ten against the Buccaneers in his career. So yeah, I
think I think it's safe to say he's pretty confident
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in his abilities in his game planning against Tampa Bay
and as well as Bruce Arians. Now, I gotta give
you credit here and now it is pretty early in
the morning to ball wash another man here but here,
but here we go. Let's get it, let's get it going. Here.
It's time to ball wash LaVar Arrington, because you said
before the season, don't sleep on the New Orleans Saints,
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even without Drew Brees. There with Jamis Winston and look,
the Jamis Winston injury and the tackle in question, We're
gonna have a much larger discussion on later on in
the show. But Trevor Simeon comes in and New Orleans
just figures it out. Just they're just a good football team,
and they're a good organization, and they seemingly no matter
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who the quarterback is, whether it was Drew Brees and
a limited state last year, uh, you know, being in
a certain amount of games because he was banged up,
whether it was Teddy Bridgewater before that, Taysom Hill, you
name it, New Orleans just seems to figure it out. Yeah,
they do. And then I think it comes down to structure,
uh and player development. I mean we're seeing Jameis Winston
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and again, you know, thoughts and prayers out to him.
You know, hopefully it's not as bad as we we
think it is, but maybe it is. Uh, but Jamis
was getting back on track. He you know, he's making
better decisions. He's he's doing things uh to me that
you know, you could see the development. So you know,
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you hope, you hope that it's not the end of
the season for him, but you know, who knows. But
then they just keep on trucking. Right, this happens, and
I believe the second quarter and and then now your defense,
you know, tries to step up. They need to do
what they need to do. Um, it's just I just
think that they have great game plans versus the Town
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Bay Buccaneers, and they execute that way. And now you
look at it. There there are five and two team
and oh whoa what are the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Okay,
and so we're thinking like they're the hottest team in
the National Football League, but now you know they're they're
at the same, you know, pretty much the same record.
I think they're one game, No, there's six and there's
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six and two. Now yeah, half game up, half game
and so yeah it is. Uh so that's gonna be
interesting to watch when it comes to how the NFC
South that's gonna play out. But it is thought Tampa
was going to run away. Yeah, I think that was
the assumption just based on defending Super Bowl champions. You
saw what happened in the playoff game last year. But
if we go back to just the regular season matchups
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between Tampa Bay New Orleans in the past couple of years,
they opened up the season last year in New Orleans,
got it done and and and the conversation was, well,
you know, it's Tom Brady's first game with the Bucks,
it's been a pandemic offseason, blah blah blah, blah blah.
And then they met him a second time and absolutely
annihilated the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. That was where Jamis Winston
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came surprised. If they do it again this year, yeah,
and so, and then you get yesterday in which Tom
Brady just looked off. Uh. The I think people assume
that based on last week and just that absolute mauling
they gave the Chicago Bears, that Tampa was was rolling
and they were going to just come in and get
this thing done. And now we've seen three different examples
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in the regular season between Tampa Bay New Orleans, where
Tampa Bay the New Orleans just figures them out. They
just figured them out. And whatever they're doing to Tom Brady,
he doesn't look like the same guy when he's when
he's playing New Orleans. And listen, they had their shots,
they had their opportunities in this game. Uh, they had
some guys out, you know that they weren't they weren't
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at full strength. So it's hard. It's hard to be definitive,
especially knowing that maybe Jamis Winston won't be there. But
they did get it done without him, um in this game.
And again, I just think that it's a matchup issue
for for Tampa Bay. And and when you play against
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a team that is familiar with you, you have to
throw records out, you have to throw personnel out, and
you gotta look at the familiarity. Uh and and and
who who feels confident about what? And and New Orleans
clearly feels confident playing against Tampa Bay. And and there
is no intimidation factor. There is no trepidation, no, no
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nervous we can't get this done. They just step up
and and they give Tampa the business every time they
play them pretty much. Yeah, it's gonna be uh. And
then when you know the conversation becomes all right, who's
gonna be the quarterback moving forward? Because we are waiting
to hear confirmation. Sean Payton was pretty um. He didn't
seem optimistic with Jamis Winston's injury now, Uh as far
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as them moving forward and whether or not he was
going to be available because it was worded as a
significant injury. I haven't seen the actual confirmation that when
do they do m R I S on Mondays It
later on in the morning, they'll do an m R
I R house. It just depends on the seriousness and
nature of the injuries. If it's an emergency situation, it
will take place that night at a hospital. Uh. If
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it's not, you know, if they have an idea what
they think it maybe they'll they'll put over whatever, a
walking boot, uh, a knee brace, a leg brace on him,
and then they'll take him in today this morning. Now,
if you're looking for signs of optimism for Jamis Winston,
I don't know if he's going to be back for
the New Orleans Saints this season. But there was a
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video from the locker room last night one of his teammates. Yeah,
and and he was, you know, with crutches and he
had a leg brace on, and Jamis Winston was dancing
a little bit, So there's that, Yeah, that makes everything better.
But it was a cool moment. I mean, they were
enjoying themselves. And you know a lot of people have
counted the New Orleans Saints out this season, you know,
and largely impartant due to the inability to truly trust
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Jamis Winston, um, you know, with the keys to the car.
So I think I think you have to be concerned
about them moving forward without Jamis Winston. You know, though
Jamis Winston wanted to lay the hammer on on Tampa
Bay yesterday based on you know, the reputation, probably why
he had enough energy to dance, of course, and and
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also the fact that people forget that he was their
number one draft and it didn't work out, and he
immediately leaves after a thirty interception season and they go
on to win the Super Bowl. That's a kick in
the nuts. I don't care who you are, you got it.
You got too right in the nuts. The next season,
all they did was was basically change out, and they
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added a couple of pieces obviously in the draft and
Rob Gronkowski and and Antonio Brown, but people look at
it and go, well, you know, it's not that much
different of a roster, that's all Tom Brady. It was
such an upgrade over Jamison instant. That's why they want
a super Bowl. You know. Jamis Winston was probably heartbroken
coming out of that game because he wanted to late
on Tampa Bay. Yeah, of course, of course. And and
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they got the win, and I'm sure he felt good
about being a part of starting the game and then
getting the win. Uh. But of course you want to
win against your your old team, your former team, especially
if things did not pan out the way that you
would hope that they would pan out. And you know,
it is interesting that Tom Brady was it has been
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the common factor in success for the franchises that he's
playing for. And and so there's no getting around that. Uh,
but it is. There are three elements, three phases of
a game. So the defense could have did better, the
special teams could have done better, everybody could have did
better when Jamis Winston was there. If you look at it,
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Jamis Winston through for a lot of yards. They had
a lot of big play, a bit ability, a lot
of a lot of firepower with Jamis Winston he just
didn't protect the ball and and and listen though a
lot of those interceptions lead to two points. And but
I just think that Jamis needed a moment in time
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to assess and evaluate where he was at in his
career and where it was going to go. And I
think he got an opportunity to find himself during that
first year being in New Orleans, taking a step back,
not having to have the pressure of being the number
one overall draft pick. I know what that feels like.
That's a heavy that's a heavy load. And to be
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a quarterback that they draft. You've won the Heisman Trophy,
You've played in national championships, you you had so much
fanfare and so much, so much scrutiny and everything coming
into your situation. It's very difficult to ever live up
to the standard that's placed on you when you come
in with the scenario and situation that Jamis Winston did.
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So think in a lot of ways, I think he
probably believes this as well. Taking that step back, getting
to come back this year was probably the best thing
that could ever happened for him in his career. Is
just unfortunate that it may have been cut short with
an injury. Yeah. And also, I mean we've talked about
this before, you myself, Brady Quinn. When you go to
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a place and there's constant turnover from a head coaching standpoint,
because when he got there, Lovey Smith was the guy,
right and then and then Dirt Cutter was the coach
and then he was gone, and then Bruce arians was
just like, like, what do you expect from these at
a bullet to the chamber every single time you change
the GM or head coach, that's another bullet in the chamber.
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Spin it, it's another bullet. You know, you you you're
playing with fire doing it with one bullet in the chamber,
you know what I mean? Jonah, you keep adding more
bullets that eventually that thing is going to discharge and
and that's it for you at that place. I mean,
I think, I know, I think we can all say
though the togregious time and his Tampa Bay career was
licking his hands. He was he was eating it. Yeah,
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that's okay, he was eating alright, So he eating his
own hands. Very very bizarre behavior of it. Was be
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didn't even want to have the Zach Wilson discussion because
I mean, that is who the hell knows what's going
on with that was? You know, But what do you
do now? Because that's a significant win, Like the Bengals
were surging as one of the hottest young teams. You
got the lead for Rookie of the Year at wood Chase. Um,
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Joe Burrow is playing, you know at a very very
very high level. What do you do when a when
a game like this takes place for teams struggle link
the way that the New York Jets have been struggling. Well,
here's here's the question I want to ask you, all right,
you um, and I'm not trying to out anybody here
on the air. You uh. When we were discussing the
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show and sending over some some notes, some thoughts, you will, uh,
you and I were going back and forth, and um,
you pointed out that the Cincinnati Bengals turned into something, right,
they turned into and it felt like you were trying
to point out that the Bengals all of a sudden, Uh,
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they've they've yet to shed themselves of the issue that
is the Cincinnati Bengals as a football team, which is right,
when you think they're a legitimate team, a real contender
in the a f C, somebody will be reckoned with
all of a sudden, the Bengals roll out that now
questionable call there towards the end, lowering the helmet, whatever
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the hell you want to call. I mean, it's it's
you know, episode five thousand, six hundred and eighty of
poor officiating in the NFL this season. But point being Cincinnati,
the game shouldn't have been close. Like Cincinnati was rolling
there a real team, a legit team. And then and
then and then they roll into New Jersey and they
and they put up that like what the what are
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we looking at here with the Cincinnati Bengals called I
called him pussycats. Yeah, what's going on here? Same same
old cats. I mean, if you're a Bengals fan and
you're listening to this, you've got to be looking around
going the Jets. Hey, But let me say this, I mean,
and we lost Ohio State, so it's not the same.
Please do not place us in the same category other
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than to say we were the same old Pussycats again,
so Saturday as well. Um, But yeah, I mean that
that one blew me away. And I was thrown off
by the fact that I was watching and seeing what
I was seeing, more so from the standpoint that it
wasn't Zack Wilson doing it, it was Mike White. Who
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are you like, I've been waiting for this opportunity? Great,
who cares? I've been here, I've been in the league,
I played for Dallas, I've been in what they said
four years, I believe Great, who cares? You're gonna lose?
You can't win with your draft pick. You're not gonna
win with some no name, generic brand quarterback named Mike
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White in the game. Yes you did, Yeah, yeah you did.
And and now to me, I'm not gonna say you
lose hope for the Bengals, um because of this loss.
I think you do find yourself saying that the Bengals
are are still in a lot of ways the same
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old cats. Um. And then you take a look at
Dallas and it again, it just raises the questions. Now,
if I'm if I'm Robert sla I now have the
question in my mind, what do I do? Like, I
don't know is when Zack Wilson has is scheduled to
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come back. Yeah, but but just let's just say, for
the sake of saying he's coming back this week. If
he's coming back this week, what do you do well?
I mean, what do you do well? Yeah? I mean
when he's ready to go, he's going to be the start. Okay,
but is that just a foregone conclusion? Yeah? Why because
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he's the number two pick of the drafting sarcastic? No, No,
I'm serious, because because they've invested in Zack Wilson. Look,
you've also invested in the hit coach to win. Yeah. No,
And I agree with you, But I I feel like
the Jets, first of all, the planning going into the
season at quarterback made zero sense. Why when you know
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you're not a good football team and not ready to
actually compete, would you throw Zach Wilson out there in
that situation without having some sort of a veteran backup
or somebody there to to take the early lumps. And
then you slowly incorporate how they have Flacco there. Yeah,
and you didn't put flak a and you didn't put
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flak A in. You didn't put flat A. You know,
that's that's Baltimore. It's about them out. Um, you put
in Mike White and I don't know why you put
him in, and I don't know, you know, but you
gotta be you gotta be aware of the fact that
depending on how long Zach Wilson is out for, I
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do not know when he's coming back, so I don't
I don't know what that that holds. When he's ready
to go, he's gonna be the starting But your next
two games are the Bills and the Colts, and you
just beat a legitimate team and in in the Bengals,
a legitimate team in the Bengals. Like it's it can't
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be a foregone conclusion. It has to create Like think
about this, going into that game of the Bengals were
four and two, five and two, five and two, how
do you how do you justify pulling him out and saying, Okay, yep,
he's healthy and and and he well, here's the one
thing I would also say on the Bengals front. If
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you're a fan, you're listening to this right now, you
know that there are games throughout the course of the
season where they hit different when you lose them. And
because you always think to yourself, man, that's gonna come
back and bite us in the ass, this may look
we may look at this game and go, well, you know,
bad call towards the end of the game, and you
know Mike White got hot, and you can't really depend
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on that. If you're the Cincinnati Bengals, this actually could
be a massive loss down the stretch because this could
be about for seeding, because this one game could be
the difference between you hosting a playoff game or having
to go on the road and travel to a certain
spot that's that's less advantageous for you in the postseason. Like,
that's a massive loss. And and credit to Mike White
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for for getting it done and and all of that.
I don't know if that's got staying power. I don't
think it's going to create unless he goes on a
roll and he wins his next two games, and then
and then we wait and see, you know where we're
at with Zack Wilson at that point. But if you're
the Cincinnati Bengals, that's the loss that you're gonna look
back on. Mark my words. The fan base is going
to look back on later in the year when they
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find themselves in a playoff game against the team that's
not ideal, or in a situation that's not ideal, and
you're gonna go back to this game and go damn
Mike White's the difference between us making a real playoff
run and us being at one and done potentially in
the postseason. I mean, why not entertained that the man
threw for over four hundred yards in the game. He
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threw for two three touchdowns. Now he threw two interceptions,
but through for three touchdowns and over four hundred yards. Jonas,
you have to have the conversation moving forward. Do you
stay with Mike White until he cools off and then
go back to Zach Wilson at that point where your
loyalty what happened? My loyalty is to winning, okay, and
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that was your I thought he was going to be
the guy that plays the best out of all freshmen.
But he's not. He's not the rookie right now that
everybody at least that what I thought he would be.
And here's the thing. Here's the thing. He got a
good win. He was a part of a win against
a winning effort against Tennessee, which the Tennessee is a
fine football team that's continuing to get better as the
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weeks go on. But other than that, you you you've
you've not given this team much hope in one game.
Mike White has matched your win total from your campaign
in one game. And and it's a legitimate game, like
you would have thought this was a throwaway game because
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you have a Mike White starting for your team and
they score enough points to win this game. And Jonas,
it was a largely in part due to why this
team this this team one based upon the way he played.
So anyway, quiet man, Mike White the difference between a
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Orleans Saints get it done. Uh, they apparently have Tom
Brady's number in the regular season. There now three and
oh against the Bucks and Tom Brady in the regular
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season the past couple of years. But there was some
damage done as Jamis Winston. According to Ian Rapp Report
of the NFL and Network, the fear is a torn
a c L with some MCL damage. Trevor Simeon was
enough to get it done for New Orleans yesterday, But
now the conversation turns to what are the Saints do
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a quarterback moving forward? Reportedly they will not be making
a move to bring in Cam Newton. Who knows. Maybe
we've now got a new participant in the Deshaun Watson
sweepstakes as we we wait to see what's gonna happen
with that Before the trade deadline. But nonetheless no Jamis Winston.
So now the conversation pivots to something else that the
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horse caller tackle. Here we go, because the horse collar
tackle is what led to the injury, and it has
been outlawed by the NFL for a long time because
was it was it Roy Williams, the Cowboys player, that
was his move, Well, that was my move. So he
stole from alright, So yeah, is a is a thief.
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He stole that from. But see there's a there's ways
of doing the horse collar. I don't have a problem
with horse collar and a guy I have a problem.
See what Roy Williams did. He evolved his horse collar.
I horse collared you. I pulled you down, and I
just pulled you straight down to the ground like quick,
I'm gonna track you down. And that's a lever. Like
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you have different levers on the body, different levers on
on the shoulder pads, the shoulder, the chest area of
the shoulder pads around the neck area are grab points
like you can leverage it like like a handle. Um
And and so I made a living off of routinely
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grabbing the back of people's paths to get them down
and and and you know what it is what it
is like there was a part of the game for me,
and I don't I don't have any type of feeling
towards it one way or the other in terms of
you know, people said that it doesn't look safe or
that's that shouldn't be a part of the game, like
f that like that was one of my deals. But
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I would never roll up on anybody's legs. Like that's
the thing about it. When the horse collar evolved into
guys grabbing the back of your your jersey, the back
of your pads and then throwing their bodies like whipping
their bodies onto the left, that's different. That's different. But
you know, it's it's been nonetheless. And it's said that
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Jamis Winston's um in the situation that he's in based
off of a play that you know, obviously is now
something you should not do and in the course of
a game. I don't think it should be illegal. I don't, um,
I don't. Look, it is a The sport is violence
every step of the way. It is violence. Um. Look,
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we talked about earlier. I mean, you know Boswell, you know,
on a fake field goal ended up with a concussion,
you know, for for for Pittsburgh yesterday, like it is,
it is collision after collision after collision. And I can
understand them wanting to make the game a little bit
safer when it comes to illegal shots to the head.
But when you're making a tackle, I don't think that
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Devin White is trying to hurt Jamis Winston. He's trying
to bring him down to make a play. And so
it would be one thing like because some guys are
out there to hurt into maim and I know that
because I was one of them. I was out there
to hurt into Maine. Like if I hit you hard
enough to break your ribs, that that I got pleasure
out of that, Like I'm I'm I am testing my
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manhood and my intestinal fortitude and my preparation and how
hard that I can lay the wood and the lumber
to you. And and if if you tap out, like
when I knocked Sean Alexander out in that playoff game
and he was on the ground. I won't go into
the graphic details of what I saw in the helmet
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when I was looking at him after I did it,
but that sense of power that you're wielding, like me
my body, me and who I am. I brought that
force to this man another man and he needs they
need to come get him. Like that's a rush. That's
a rush. And and honestly, I'm giving you guys, like
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you know of a glance into the mind of a
maniac on the on the football field, just so you
guys are aware of this. But the feeling you get
when you can physically dominate another man and it's legal,
that there's something to be said about it. So the
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idea of it is, it's it's nothing. It's no different
than contact sports. It's no different like, Okay, you're not
gonna eye goug somebody in m m A. There are
rules to certain things you can't do. You can't hit
clap of dude in his ears and stuff like that.
Same thing. There's rules that get put into play to
make the to raise the quality of the safety. But
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when you're talking about raising the quality of the safety,
I mean, really think about it, like it's a full
contact sport. Do you understand how violent it is between
lineman every single play, how valid it is between linemen
and linebackers when they engage every single play, and and
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it only matters it only matters when it's like it
happens to a quarterback or it happens to a receiver.
It only matters when it happens then, you know, and
I think that that's kind of it's kind of lame. Well,
I just I look at it, and I go, all right,
if we all understand that it is a a violent
sport and and this island sport leads to problems, you
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can only do so much before you just get to
the point to where, hey, bad things are going to
happen sometimes. Man, it doesn't mean that it's intentional. Devin
White wasn't intentionally trying to rip up Jamis Winston's knee.
He made a tackle, it went wrong. Jamis Winston could
have gotten folded up at any point during the game
and suffered a knee injury. The idea that that the
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horse caller, that we're banning that, but I would say this.
I mean, when you see alignman have his hand to
the face mask under a face mask of a defensive
lineman and they'll give him, they'll give him a foul baby,
they'll call it every they don't call it every play,
And I just feel like, what, what do we really
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trying to do when it comes to the horse call,
like are we really trying to horse collar? Brett Farve
once and jacked his knee up, and I was pumped
up that I sent him out of the game. So
I'm not I'm not a magetic about being out there
executing my my assignments. And if I execute a person
while I'm at it, I'm not apologizing for that because
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that's what my job entails, Like I want to be
the most physical, daunting force on the field. And and
and listen when the way Devin White grabbed him up
and yoked him up, it was actually an athletic play. Yeah,
it was actually Like in my era of football he
would have been that. We would have been like, oh
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my gosh, what an amazing tackle. Think about that. In
my era of play, we would have been like, dang, bro,
Like that was a dope tackle. Like did you see
the way he extended to get ahold of him? And
the strength like think about the strength of your hands,
the strength of your arms, and you being able to
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time it out in a way where you could get
ahold of them and pull him to the ground like
that that would have been celebrated. You gotta understand a
lot of guys, a lot of guys, and and for
the for the record, and I'm sitting here seeing it
on the camera right now. Again just to reiterate, he
didn't even grab them inside his his jersey. He grabbed
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the back of the jersey for one, all right. But
if you think about most guys defensively that are in
the Hall of Fame, it's based off of the brutality
that they brought to the game. Like like, let's be clear,
because I hate when people get so hypocritical about oh
my gosh, what are you talking about. It's safety first,
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that's somebody's child data. Da this do another? Okay, go
take a look at all the defensive players that are
in Hall of Fame, and and the vast majority of
them would not be able to play in today's National
Football League. We we celebrate Dick Buckets, we celebrate Chuck Bannair,
we celebrate ray Lewis and and Lawrence Taylor. We celebrate
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these guys and they are some of the most brutal
dude in terms of the physicality of the game that
you would ever see. And we celebrated them and we
enshrined them. And now all of a sudden it's it's
like it's like taboo when somebody gets hurt off of
the brutality of the game. Somebody catches the ball and
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they get blown up and they flip them and they
land on their head. It's like, oh my gosh, they
should not only suspend him and kick him out of
the game, they should arrest him after the game is over,
like get out of here with that look. And you
make the point when it comes to m M A.
And And one of the things that's so weird about
how they sort of govern what's legal and what's not
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legal and m M M A is they'll tell you you
can't knee an opponent in the head if he's if
if if an opponent's on a knee, you can't kick
him in the head or knee him in the head,
But you can punch him. But you can punch punch
right wit Wait what and then and then the other
the other one within the parameters of the fight, you
can kick him or knee him in there see it?
And the other one is this where they go, um,
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you know, if if there's some people that think this
is a dirty tactic. If you see two guys fighting
in in UFC and m m A. If if one
guy takes a straight kick towards the front of a
guy's knee, people look at that and go, oh, that's
a little bit dirty. It's because guys have hurt their
knee like that, because you're basically kicking the front of
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their knee trying to buckle it. So it's at some point,
why are we picking and choosing what you're allowed to
do when you have an opponent on the ground. You're
not allowed to go twelve six on the elbows, so
you can't go start from twelve o'clock to six o'clock
in the elbows, but you can do it from three
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to nine. Like I think like it does. Like there's
some things I look at at mixed martial arts and
I look at the NFL, and I go, why is
this allowed? But that's not Like at some point you
just have to understand this is a violent sport, like
bad things are gonna happen. The horse call, I've just
I've never understood why that is looked at and and
vilify the way that it is when there are other
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players that happened during the course of a game which
don't get nearly the attention that. Here's what I'll say
just quickly. I understand when the league is trying to
improve the quality of the game, improve the quality of
the health of the players. I'm all for that. I
buy it, I subscribed to it, support it. I just
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don't have to be that guy because I'm not. I
am not league administration, I am not on a competition committee.
I was a football player and the idea of of
how I executed things when I played as a player,
like I said I had in fact, I took pride
and being able to dish out physical abuse to the
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opponents that I was going against. That was it was
a badge of honor if I whipped the hell out
of somebody and they had to tell me at the
end of that game, man, like you are something of
another like I wanted that. That's what I wanted. The
fans that watched me to play feel like I'm the
toughest fan in the world because LaVar Arrington, who I
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cheer for, is the toughest dude in the world. That's
what I wanted. So, I mean, I get I get
the rules, I get all of that, but again, I
don't have to be the one that sits there and says, Oh,
it's okay that you can't do that. You can't do that.
All these things are governing the game now and it
makes it safer, even though I can't do things the
way that I once did it when I played the game.
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So I get the evolution of it. You know, I'm
sure Deacon Jones and you know, all those guys and
rest his soul, but you know, Male Blunt and all
those guys that were clothes lining people and stuff like that,
maybe they looked at it the same exact way. I
kind of look at it from the same you know,
in terms of the brutality of the sport. You chose this.
You chose this, like you chose to make this. You're like,
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nobody forced you to get into this profession. You chose
this profession. So I mean, I I might sound a
little barbaric there, but I think there's something to the
fact that when you choose a full contact sport, you
you know what you're signing up for, and you've got
to prepare yourself and if something happens, you gotta assume
things are going to happen to you in that type
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On Fox Sports Radio. A couple of weeks ago, Aaron
Rodgers made some headlines because he told Bears fans that
he owned them. Yeah, yes, and and and he that
(00:23):
is indeed a fact. He does own the Chicago Bears.
So if using that rationale, does that mean that Sean
Payton owns Tom Brady. I mean, because I understand the
playoff game a year ago. When it comes to regular season,
for some reason, he owns Tom Brady in Tampa he
has he owns Tampa Bay. You know Tom Tampa Brady. Uh,
(00:47):
but he also owns Sean Payton or Sean Payton excuse me,
also owns Bruce Arians. I mean, he's seven and one
against Bruce Arians as the Buccaneers. Uh, well against Bruce
Arians as a coach, and I believe he's nineteen and
ten against the Buccaneers in his career. So yeah, I
think I think it's safe to say he's pretty confident
(01:09):
in his abilities in his game planning against Tampa Bay
and as well as Bruce Arians. Now, I gotta give
you credit here and now it is pretty early in
the morning to ball wash another man here but here,
but here we go. Let's get it, let's get it going. Here.
It's time to ball wash LaVar Arrington, because you said
before the season, don't sleep on the New Orleans Saints,
(01:32):
even without Drew Brees. There with Jamis Winston and look,
the Jamis Winston injury and the tackle in question, We're
gonna have a much larger discussion on later on in
the show. But Trevor Simeon comes in and New Orleans
just figures it out. Just they're just a good football team,
and they're a good organization, and they seemingly no matter
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who the quarterback is, whether it was Drew Brees and
a limited state last year, uh, you know, being in
a certain amount of games because he was banged up,
whether it was Teddy Bridgewater before that, Taysom Hill, you
name it, New Orleans just seems to figure it out. Yeah,
they do. And then I think it comes down to structure,
uh and player development. I mean we're seeing Jameis Winston
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and again, you know, thoughts and prayers out to him.
You know, hopefully it's not as bad as we we
think it is, but maybe it is. Uh, but Jamis
was getting back on track. He you know, he's making
better decisions. He's he's doing things uh to me that
you know, you could see the development. So you know,
(02:38):
you hope, you hope that it's not the end of
the season for him, but you know, who knows. But
then they just keep on trucking. Right, this happens, and
I believe the second quarter and and then now your defense,
you know, tries to step up. They need to do
what they need to do. Um, it's just I just
think that they have great game plans versus the Town
(03:00):
Bay Buccaneers, and they execute that way. And now you
look at it. There there are five and two team
and oh whoa what are the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Okay,
and so we're thinking like they're the hottest team in
the National Football League, but now you know they're they're
at the same, you know, pretty much the same record.
I think they're one game, No, there's six and there's
(03:21):
six and two. Now yeah, half game up, half game
and so yeah it is. Uh so that's gonna be
interesting to watch when it comes to how the NFC
South that's gonna play out. But it is thought Tampa
was going to run away. Yeah, I think that was
the assumption just based on defending Super Bowl champions. You
saw what happened in the playoff game last year. But
if we go back to just the regular season matchups
(03:43):
between Tampa Bay New Orleans in the past couple of years,
they opened up the season last year in New Orleans,
got it done and and and the conversation was, well,
you know, it's Tom Brady's first game with the Bucks,
it's been a pandemic offseason, blah blah blah, blah blah.
And then they met him a second time and absolutely
annihilated the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. That was where Jamis Winston
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came surprised. If they do it again this year, yeah,
and so, and then you get yesterday in which Tom
Brady just looked off. Uh. The I think people assume
that based on last week and just that absolute mauling
they gave the Chicago Bears, that Tampa was was rolling
and they were going to just come in and get
this thing done. And now we've seen three different examples
(04:26):
in the regular season between Tampa Bay New Orleans, where
Tampa Bay the New Orleans just figures them out. They
just figured them out. And whatever they're doing to Tom Brady,
he doesn't look like the same guy when he's when
he's playing New Orleans. And listen, they had their shots,
they had their opportunities in this game. Uh, they had
some guys out, you know that they weren't they weren't
(04:49):
at full strength. So it's hard. It's hard to be definitive,
especially knowing that maybe Jamis Winston won't be there. But
they did get it done without him, um in this game.
And again, I just think that it's a matchup issue
for for Tampa Bay. And and when you play against
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a team that is familiar with you, you have to
throw records out, you have to throw personnel out, and
you gotta look at the familiarity. Uh and and and
who who feels confident about what? And and New Orleans
clearly feels confident playing against Tampa Bay. And and there
is no intimidation factor. There is no trepidation, no, no
(05:33):
nervous we can't get this done. They just step up
and and they give Tampa the business every time they
play them pretty much. Yeah, it's gonna be uh. And
then when you know the conversation becomes all right, who's
gonna be the quarterback moving forward? Because we are waiting
to hear confirmation. Sean Payton was pretty um. He didn't
seem optimistic with Jamis Winston's injury now, Uh as far
(05:56):
as them moving forward and whether or not he was
going to be available because it was worded as a
significant injury. I haven't seen the actual confirmation that when
do they do m R I S on Mondays It
later on in the morning, they'll do an m R
I R house. It just depends on the seriousness and
nature of the injuries. If it's an emergency situation, it
will take place that night at a hospital. Uh. If
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it's not, you know, if they have an idea what
they think it maybe they'll they'll put over whatever, a
walking boot, uh, a knee brace, a leg brace on him,
and then they'll take him in today this morning. Now,
if you're looking for signs of optimism for Jamis Winston,
I don't know if he's going to be back for
the New Orleans Saints this season. But there was a
(06:39):
video from the locker room last night one of his teammates. Yeah,
and and he was, you know, with crutches and he
had a leg brace on, and Jamis Winston was dancing
a little bit, So there's that, Yeah, that makes everything better.
But it was a cool moment. I mean, they were
enjoying themselves. And you know a lot of people have
counted the New Orleans Saints out this season, you know,
and largely impartant due to the inability to truly trust
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Jamis Winston, um, you know, with the keys to the car.
So I think I think you have to be concerned
about them moving forward without Jamis Winston. You know, though
Jamis Winston wanted to lay the hammer on on Tampa
Bay yesterday based on you know, the reputation, probably why
he had enough energy to dance, of course, and and
(07:26):
also the fact that people forget that he was their
number one draft and it didn't work out, and he
immediately leaves after a thirty interception season and they go
on to win the Super Bowl. That's a kick in
the nuts. I don't care who you are, you got it.
You got too right in the nuts. The next season,
all they did was was basically change out, and they
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added a couple of pieces obviously in the draft and
Rob Gronkowski and and Antonio Brown, but people look at
it and go, well, you know, it's not that much
different of a roster, that's all Tom Brady. It was
such an upgrade over Jamison instant. That's why they want
a super Bowl. You know. Jamis Winston was probably heartbroken
coming out of that game because he wanted to late
on Tampa Bay. Yeah, of course, of course. And and
(08:09):
they got the win, and I'm sure he felt good
about being a part of starting the game and then
getting the win. Uh. But of course you want to
win against your your old team, your former team, especially
if things did not pan out the way that you
would hope that they would pan out. And you know,
it is interesting that Tom Brady was it has been
(08:33):
the common factor in success for the franchises that he's
playing for. And and so there's no getting around that. Uh,
but it is. There are three elements, three phases of
a game. So the defense could have did better, the
special teams could have done better, everybody could have did
better when Jamis Winston was there. If you look at it,
(08:55):
Jamis Winston through for a lot of yards. They had
a lot of big play, a bit ability, a lot
of a lot of firepower with Jamis Winston he just
didn't protect the ball and and and listen though a
lot of those interceptions lead to two points. And but
I just think that Jamis needed a moment in time
(09:16):
to assess and evaluate where he was at in his
career and where it was going to go. And I
think he got an opportunity to find himself during that
first year being in New Orleans, taking a step back,
not having to have the pressure of being the number
one overall draft pick. I know what that feels like.
That's a heavy that's a heavy load. And to be
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a quarterback that they draft. You've won the Heisman Trophy,
You've played in national championships, you you had so much
fanfare and so much, so much scrutiny and everything coming
into your situation. It's very difficult to ever live up
to the standard that's placed on you when you come
in with the scenario and situation that Jamis Winston did.
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So think in a lot of ways, I think he
probably believes this as well. Taking that step back, getting
to come back this year was probably the best thing
that could ever happened for him in his career. Is
just unfortunate that it may have been cut short with
an injury. Yeah. And also, I mean we've talked about
this before, you myself, Brady Quinn. When you go to
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a place and there's constant turnover from a head coaching standpoint,
because when he got there, Lovey Smith was the guy,
right and then and then Dirt Cutter was the coach
and then he was gone, and then Bruce arians was
just like, like, what do you expect from these at
a bullet to the chamber every single time you change
the GM or head coach, that's another bullet in the chamber.
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Spin it, it's another bullet. You know, you you you're
playing with fire doing it with one bullet in the chamber,
you know what I mean? Jonah, you keep adding more
bullets that eventually that thing is going to discharge and
and that's it for you at that place. I mean,
I think, I know, I think we can all say
though the togregious time and his Tampa Bay career was
licking his hands. He was he was eating it. Yeah,
(11:07):
that's okay, he was eating alright, So he eating his
own hands. Very very bizarre behavior of it. Was be
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(11:29):
didn't even want to have the Zach Wilson discussion because
I mean, that is who the hell knows what's going
on with that was? You know, But what do you
do now? Because that's a significant win, Like the Bengals
were surging as one of the hottest young teams. You
got the lead for Rookie of the Year at wood Chase. Um,
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Joe Burrow is playing, you know at a very very
very high level. What do you do when a when
a game like this takes place for teams struggle link
the way that the New York Jets have been struggling. Well,
here's here's the question I want to ask you, all right,
you um, and I'm not trying to out anybody here
on the air. You uh. When we were discussing the
(12:16):
show and sending over some some notes, some thoughts, you will, uh,
you and I were going back and forth, and um,
you pointed out that the Cincinnati Bengals turned into something, right,
they turned into and it felt like you were trying
to point out that the Bengals all of a sudden, Uh,
(12:36):
they've they've yet to shed themselves of the issue that
is the Cincinnati Bengals as a football team, which is right,
when you think they're a legitimate team, a real contender
in the a f C, somebody will be reckoned with
all of a sudden, the Bengals roll out that now
questionable call there towards the end, lowering the helmet, whatever
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the hell you want to call. I mean, it's it's
you know, episode five thousand, six hundred and eighty of
poor officiating in the NFL this season. But point being Cincinnati,
the game shouldn't have been close. Like Cincinnati was rolling
there a real team, a legit team. And then and
then and then they roll into New Jersey and they
and they put up that like what the what are
(13:19):
we looking at here with the Cincinnati Bengals called I
called him pussycats. Yeah, what's going on here? Same same
old cats. I mean, if you're a Bengals fan and
you're listening to this, you've got to be looking around
going the Jets. Hey, But let me say this, I mean,
and we lost Ohio State, so it's not the same.
Please do not place us in the same category other
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than to say we were the same old Pussycats again,
so Saturday as well. Um, But yeah, I mean that
that one blew me away. And I was thrown off
by the fact that I was watching and seeing what
I was seeing, more so from the standpoint that it
wasn't Zack Wilson doing it, it was Mike White. Who
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are you like, I've been waiting for this opportunity? Great,
who cares? I've been here, I've been in the league,
I played for Dallas, I've been in what they said
four years, I believe Great, who cares? You're gonna lose?
You can't win with your draft pick. You're not gonna
win with some no name, generic brand quarterback named Mike
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White in the game. Yes you did, Yeah, yeah you did.
And and now to me, I'm not gonna say you
lose hope for the Bengals, um because of this loss.
I think you do find yourself saying that the Bengals
are are still in a lot of ways the same
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old cats. Um. And then you take a look at
Dallas and it again, it just raises the questions. Now,
if I'm if I'm Robert sla I now have the
question in my mind, what do I do? Like, I
don't know is when Zack Wilson has is scheduled to
(15:08):
come back. Yeah, but but just let's just say, for
the sake of saying he's coming back this week. If
he's coming back this week, what do you do well?
I mean, what do you do well? Yeah? I mean
when he's ready to go, he's going to be the start. Okay,
but is that just a foregone conclusion? Yeah? Why because
(15:29):
he's the number two pick of the drafting sarcastic? No, No,
I'm serious, because because they've invested in Zack Wilson. Look,
you've also invested in the hit coach to win. Yeah. No,
And I agree with you, But I I feel like
the Jets, first of all, the planning going into the
season at quarterback made zero sense. Why when you know
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you're not a good football team and not ready to
actually compete, would you throw Zach Wilson out there in
that situation without having some sort of a veteran backup
or somebody there to to take the early lumps. And
then you slowly incorporate how they have Flacco there. Yeah,
and you didn't put flak a and you didn't put
(16:13):
flak A in. You didn't put flat A. You know,
that's that's Baltimore. It's about them out. Um, you put
in Mike White and I don't know why you put
him in, and I don't know, you know, but you
gotta be you gotta be aware of the fact that
depending on how long Zach Wilson is out for, I
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do not know when he's coming back, so I don't
I don't know what that that holds. When he's ready
to go, he's gonna be the starting But your next
two games are the Bills and the Colts, and you
just beat a legitimate team and in in the Bengals,
a legitimate team in the Bengals. Like it's it can't
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be a foregone conclusion. It has to create Like think
about this, going into that game of the Bengals were
four and two, five and two, five and two, how
do you how do you justify pulling him out and saying, Okay, yep,
he's healthy and and and he well, here's the one
thing I would also say on the Bengals front. If
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you're a fan, you're listening to this right now, you
know that there are games throughout the course of the
season where they hit different when you lose them. And
because you always think to yourself, man, that's gonna come
back and bite us in the ass, this may look
we may look at this game and go, well, you know,
bad call towards the end of the game, and you
know Mike White got hot, and you can't really depend
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on that. If you're the Cincinnati Bengals, this actually could
be a massive loss down the stretch because this could
be about for seeding, because this one game could be
the difference between you hosting a playoff game or having
to go on the road and travel to a certain
spot that's that's less advantageous for you in the postseason. Like,
that's a massive loss. And and credit to Mike White
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for for getting it done and and all of that.
I don't know if that's got staying power. I don't
think it's going to create unless he goes on a
roll and he wins his next two games, and then
and then we wait and see, you know where we're
at with Zack Wilson at that point. But if you're
the Cincinnati Bengals, that's the loss that you're gonna look
back on. Mark my words. The fan base is going
to look back on later in the year when they
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find themselves in a playoff game against the team that's
not ideal, or in a situation that's not ideal, and
you're gonna go back to this game and go damn
Mike White's the difference between us making a real playoff
run and us being at one and done potentially in
the postseason. I mean, why not entertained that the man
threw for over four hundred yards in the game. He
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threw for two three touchdowns. Now he threw two interceptions,
but through for three touchdowns and over four hundred yards. Jonas,
you have to have the conversation moving forward. Do you
stay with Mike White until he cools off and then
go back to Zach Wilson at that point where your
loyalty what happened? My loyalty is to winning, okay, and
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that was your I thought he was going to be
the guy that plays the best out of all freshmen.
But he's not. He's not the rookie right now that
everybody at least that what I thought he would be.
And here's the thing. Here's the thing. He got a
good win. He was a part of a win against
a winning effort against Tennessee, which the Tennessee is a
fine football team that's continuing to get better as the
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weeks go on. But other than that, you you you've
you've not given this team much hope in one game.
Mike White has matched your win total from your campaign
in one game. And and it's a legitimate game, like
you would have thought this was a throwaway game because
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you have a Mike White starting for your team and
they score enough points to win this game. And Jonas,
it was a largely in part due to why this
team this this team one based upon the way he played.
So anyway, quiet man, Mike White the difference between a
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Orleans Saints get it done. Uh, they apparently have Tom
Brady's number in the regular season. There now three and
oh against the Bucks and Tom Brady in the regular
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season the past couple of years. But there was some
damage done as Jamis Winston. According to Ian Rapp Report
of the NFL and Network, the fear is a torn
a c L with some MCL damage. Trevor Simeon was
enough to get it done for New Orleans yesterday, But
now the conversation turns to what are the Saints do
(21:36):
a quarterback moving forward? Reportedly they will not be making
a move to bring in Cam Newton. Who knows. Maybe
we've now got a new participant in the Deshaun Watson
sweepstakes as we we wait to see what's gonna happen
with that Before the trade deadline. But nonetheless no Jamis Winston.
So now the conversation pivots to something else that the
(21:57):
horse caller tackle. Here we go, because the horse collar
tackle is what led to the injury, and it has
been outlawed by the NFL for a long time because
was it was it Roy Williams, the Cowboys player, that
was his move, Well, that was my move. So he
stole from alright, So yeah, is a is a thief.
(22:20):
He stole that from. But see there's a there's ways
of doing the horse collar. I don't have a problem
with horse collar and a guy I have a problem.
See what Roy Williams did. He evolved his horse collar.
I horse collared you. I pulled you down, and I
just pulled you straight down to the ground like quick,
I'm gonna track you down. And that's a lever. Like
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you have different levers on the body, different levers on
on the shoulder pads, the shoulder, the chest area of
the shoulder pads around the neck area are grab points
like you can leverage it like like a handle. Um
And and so I made a living off of routinely
(23:03):
grabbing the back of people's paths to get them down
and and and you know what it is what it
is like there was a part of the game for me,
and I don't I don't have any type of feeling
towards it one way or the other in terms of
you know, people said that it doesn't look safe or
that's that shouldn't be a part of the game, like
f that like that was one of my deals. But
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I would never roll up on anybody's legs. Like that's
the thing about it. When the horse collar evolved into
guys grabbing the back of your your jersey, the back
of your pads and then throwing their bodies like whipping
their bodies onto the left, that's different. That's different. But
you know, it's it's been nonetheless. And it's said that
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Jamis Winston's um in the situation that he's in based
off of a play that you know, obviously is now
something you should not do and in the course of
a game. I don't think it should be illegal. I don't, um,
I don't. Look, it is a The sport is violence
every step of the way. It is violence. Um. Look,
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we talked about earlier. I mean, you know Boswell, you know,
on a fake field goal ended up with a concussion,
you know, for for for Pittsburgh yesterday, like it is,
it is collision after collision after collision. And I can
understand them wanting to make the game a little bit
safer when it comes to illegal shots to the head.
But when you're making a tackle, I don't think that
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Devin White is trying to hurt Jamis Winston. He's trying
to bring him down to make a play. And so
it would be one thing like because some guys are
out there to hurt into maim and I know that
because I was one of them. I was out there
to hurt into Maine. Like if I hit you hard
enough to break your ribs, that that I got pleasure
out of that, Like I'm I'm I am testing my
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manhood and my intestinal fortitude and my preparation and how
hard that I can lay the wood and the lumber
to you. And and if if you tap out, like
when I knocked Sean Alexander out in that playoff game
and he was on the ground. I won't go into
the graphic details of what I saw in the helmet
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when I was looking at him after I did it,
but that sense of power that you're wielding, like me
my body, me and who I am. I brought that
force to this man another man and he needs they
need to come get him. Like that's a rush. That's
a rush. And and honestly, I'm giving you guys, like
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you know of a glance into the mind of a
maniac on the on the football field, just so you
guys are aware of this. But the feeling you get
when you can physically dominate another man and it's legal,
that there's something to be said about it. So the
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idea of it is, it's it's nothing. It's no different
than contact sports. It's no different like, Okay, you're not
gonna eye goug somebody in m m A. There are
rules to certain things you can't do. You can't hit
clap of dude in his ears and stuff like that.
Same thing. There's rules that get put into play to
make the to raise the quality of the safety. But
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when you're talking about raising the quality of the safety,
I mean, really think about it, like it's a full
contact sport. Do you understand how violent it is between
lineman every single play, how valid it is between linemen
and linebackers when they engage every single play, and and
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it only matters it only matters when it's like it
happens to a quarterback or it happens to a receiver.
It only matters when it happens then, you know, and
I think that that's kind of it's kind of lame. Well,
I just I look at it, and I go, all right,
if we all understand that it is a a violent
sport and and this island sport leads to problems, you
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can only do so much before you just get to
the point to where, hey, bad things are going to
happen sometimes. Man, it doesn't mean that it's intentional. Devin
White wasn't intentionally trying to rip up Jamis Winston's knee.
He made a tackle, it went wrong. Jamis Winston could
have gotten folded up at any point during the game
and suffered a knee injury. The idea that that the
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horse caller, that we're banning that, but I would say this.
I mean, when you see alignman have his hand to
the face mask under a face mask of a defensive
lineman and they'll give him, they'll give him a foul baby,
they'll call it every they don't call it every play,
And I just feel like, what, what do we really
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trying to do when it comes to the horse call,
like are we really trying to horse collar? Brett Farve
once and jacked his knee up, and I was pumped
up that I sent him out of the game. So
I'm not I'm not a magetic about being out there
executing my my assignments. And if I execute a person
while I'm at it, I'm not apologizing for that because
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that's what my job entails, Like I want to be
the most physical, daunting force on the field. And and
and listen when the way Devin White grabbed him up
and yoked him up, it was actually an athletic play. Yeah,
it was actually Like in my era of football he
would have been that. We would have been like, oh
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my gosh, what an amazing tackle. Think about that. In
my era of play, we would have been like, dang, bro,
Like that was a dope tackle. Like did you see
the way he extended to get ahold of him? And
the strength like think about the strength of your hands,
the strength of your arms, and you being able to
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time it out in a way where you could get
ahold of them and pull him to the ground like
that that would have been celebrated. You gotta understand a
lot of guys, a lot of guys, and and for
the for the record, and I'm sitting here seeing it
on the camera right now. Again just to reiterate, he
didn't even grab them inside his his jersey. He grabbed
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the back of the jersey for one, all right. But
if you think about most guys defensively that are in
the Hall of Fame, it's based off of the brutality
that they brought to the game. Like like, let's be clear,
because I hate when people get so hypocritical about oh
my gosh, what are you talking about. It's safety first,
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that's somebody's child data. Da this do another? Okay, go
take a look at all the defensive players that are
in Hall of Fame, and and the vast majority of
them would not be able to play in today's National
Football League. We we celebrate Dick Buckets, we celebrate Chuck Bannair,
we celebrate ray Lewis and and Lawrence Taylor. We celebrate
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these guys and they are some of the most brutal
dude in terms of the physicality of the game that
you would ever see. And we celebrated them and we
enshrined them. And now all of a sudden it's it's
like it's like taboo when somebody gets hurt off of
the brutality of the game. Somebody catches the ball and
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they get blown up and they flip them and they
land on their head. It's like, oh my gosh, they
should not only suspend him and kick him out of
the game, they should arrest him after the game is over,
like get out of here with that look. And you
make the point when it comes to m M A.
And And one of the things that's so weird about
how they sort of govern what's legal and what's not
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legal and m M M A is they'll tell you you
can't knee an opponent in the head if he's if
if if an opponent's on a knee, you can't kick
him in the head or knee him in the head,
But you can punch him. But you can punch punch
right wit Wait what and then and then the other
the other one within the parameters of the fight, you
can kick him or knee him in there see it?
And the other one is this where they go, um,
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you know, if if there's some people that think this
is a dirty tactic. If you see two guys fighting
in in UFC and m m A. If if one
guy takes a straight kick towards the front of a
guy's knee, people look at that and go, oh, that's
a little bit dirty. It's because guys have hurt their
knee like that, because you're basically kicking the front of
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their knee trying to buckle it. So it's at some point,
why are we picking and choosing what you're allowed to
do when you have an opponent on the ground. You're
not allowed to go twelve six on the elbows, so
you can't go start from twelve o'clock to six o'clock
in the elbows, but you can do it from three
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to nine. Like I think like it does. Like there's
some things I look at at mixed martial arts and
I look at the NFL, and I go, why is
this allowed? But that's not Like at some point you
just have to understand this is a violent sport, like
bad things are gonna happen. The horse call, I've just
I've never understood why that is looked at and and
vilify the way that it is when there are other
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players that happened during the course of a game which
don't get nearly the attention that. Here's what I'll say
just quickly. I understand when the league is trying to
improve the quality of the game, improve the quality of
the health of the players. I'm all for that. I
buy it, I subscribed to it, support it. I just
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don't have to be that guy because I'm not. I
am not league administration, I am not on a competition committee.
I was a football player and the idea of of
how I executed things when I played as a player,
like I said I had in fact, I took pride
and being able to dish out physical abuse to the
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opponents that I was going against. That was it was
a badge of honor if I whipped the hell out
of somebody and they had to tell me at the
end of that game, man, like you are something of
another like I wanted that. That's what I wanted. The
fans that watched me to play feel like I'm the
toughest fan in the world because LaVar Arrington, who I
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cheer for, is the toughest dude in the world. That's
what I wanted. So, I mean, I get I get
the rules, I get all of that, but again, I
don't have to be the one that sits there and says, Oh,
it's okay that you can't do that. You can't do that.
All these things are governing the game now and it
makes it safer, even though I can't do things the
way that I once did it when I played the game.
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So I get the evolution of it. You know, I'm
sure Deacon Jones and you know, all those guys and
rest his soul, but you know, Male Blunt and all
those guys that were clothes lining people and stuff like that,
maybe they looked at it the same exact way. I
kind of look at it from the same you know,
in terms of the brutality of the sport. You chose this.
You chose this, like you chose to make this. You're like,
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nobody forced you to get into this profession. You chose
this profession. So I mean, I I might sound a
little barbaric there, but I think there's something to the
fact that when you choose a full contact sport, you
you know what you're signing up for, and you've got
to prepare yourself and if something happens, you gotta assume
things are going to happen to you in that type
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