November 9, 2021 • 31 mins
On Tuesday's 2 Pros and Cup of Joe, Jonas Knox, Brady Quinn and LaVar Arrington react to questionable taunting penalty on Cassius Marsh that cost the Bears in Monday Night Football . Russell Wilson and his doctor are overplaying his comeback from finger surgery and LaVar turns his back on Zach Wilson.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It is the best of two pros and a couple
of Joe with LaVar are Brady Quinn and Joe miss
Knocks on Fox Sports Radio. If you had money on
Cassius Marsh having a postgame press conference after getting called
up to the active roster just a few days before congratulations,
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that paid out pretty heavily. Their Brady Quinn was that
on prop bet monster it was not now the profit
monster you guys pushed. I mean, listen, there's no other
way to just you know, and make it pretty. You
guys pushed on the proper How many of our bets
were actually like bets that you could have won her
lost well to. We'll talk about it later the hour
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because there there is some I don't want to say controversy,
but there's a little bit of an issue with with
some of this stuff. Is there always contract because it's
a profit monster? Man, he doesn't play nice. What do
you want? I don't know to tell you? Mean, he look,
I I have you know, I go in a in
a place to put those bets together and then you
guys criticize me every week. This isn't what i'nster trust
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what I tell you that what I'd get you more
like it. But cash is marsh. Cash is marsh. Step,
cashis marsh step to the podium. He looked like Leonardo
DiCaprio off the Revenante when he crawled out of that
dead horse. He had this to say about the incident.
It's pretty clear to everybody who saw it that I
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wasn't taunting, like you know, I've been doing the celebration
my whole career, and uh, you know, it's just sad
to see stuff like that happened in a close game
like that. It's just rough man on my way to
the sideline. I got hip checked by the reff and
it's it's pretty clear if I were to do that
to a ref or even touch the ref, you know,
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we get kicked out of the game and possibly suspended
and find So I just think that that was incredible,
the inappropriate, and that's all I'll say about that. Yeah.
So he doubled down on his fine, Yeah, yeah, you
think they're going to double them up on that? Oh, absolutely,
they are doubled down on it. I will say this
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in his defense, it looked like the ref backed into
it wasn't anything to do with him. But as I said,
before I do. You did look like he was already
already had his hand in his pocket getting ready to
throw that flag. So it wasn't about the amazing Jean
Claude van Damn roundhouse kick. It was the aggressive stare
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down that took place for about bad say, eight seconds
after the sack. You can't stare at the sideline anymore,
like I I get it, it's a point of emphasis,
but I thought taunting was like standing over a guy's face,
grabbing your crotch and doing a throat slash. Yester, you
can't stare in a sideline. Can we take a step
back though? Like, okay, if you're ready to throw the
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flag because of a taunting call, then throw the flo egg.
What are you gonna wait until you guys make contact? Which,
by the way, if you have eyes in your head
and either one of them work, even have decently work.
You saw the man get in the path of him
running like he got in the path of him, like
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he braced himself, he backed into him, and he heat
make contact with the player. There's no getting out of
the way of that. And listen, referees are people, right,
there's human there's human error, and what referees do like
we see it play out weekend and week out, and
sometimes you gotta be I mean, let's just be real here,
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these dudes sometimes be power tripping. They power trip, and
the funniest thing is, you know how they power trip.
You gotta pay attention to this people when you when
you're watching games, the power trippers, the way they throw
their flags. Like I remember when not one referee power
tripped on on Big Zoo, right and and and and
Orlando Brown did something the referee didn't like it, And
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not only did he throw the flag, he threw it
at him. He threw it at him. I don't know what,
like what is it beans or something that are in
the bottom of those It's not like a mixture of
sand and rosin cane. At this point, you gotta watch
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the way they throw it. Like when they throw the flag,
it shows you what type of person they are, their
style in their technique of delivering their flag. And this
guy clearly had he clearly had a burrow for him.
So var if you see an official throw his flag
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like way up in the air, like almost like a
pop fly, what does that tell you about that official?
You're out of here, Yeah, It's like it's like, don't try, Like,
do you understand how far I can throw this flag
up into the air? Do you want to see how
strong my arm and my hips and my gloy A.
I was gonna say, yeah, he's making a rain or
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he's trying to tell you, hey, this is what I'm
working with. You know what I'm saying. It's like when
when I go off, I go off in a big way.
Because my next follow up is what about the officials?
You just look like they drop it out of their pocket,
you know, like they're they're chilling. They don't really want
to throw the flag, like they're that they're that police
officer that pulls you over and they're like, look, man,
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i'm gonna give you a warning, and literally just a warning.
I don't I'm not giving you no written warning, just
just like man, slow down. Right. Then you got the
flag thrower that throws it up like you said, that
just wants to let you know like they they flossy,
you know what I mean, Like I'm flossy with it.
I was more thinking the guy who drops this kind
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of just like you know, like, okay, how would you
guys throw if you were if you were. If you
were in a shaw and you pulled a flag to
throw it, how would you I would just spike it
on the ground as hard as I could. Like, if
we're doing this, let's do it, man. I don't think
I'd be like an umpire. I would literally like toss
it up in the air. But as it's up in
the air, give some sort of signal, you know, almost
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like to the umpires. How they would they strike a strikeout?
Remember The Naked Gun when Leslie Nielsen was the umpire
behind walking Everything good? But it wasn't O J. Simpson
in that movie. Yes he was. Whatever happened, So he's
still he's doing on social media post yeah, yes, he's
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telling people like the right the right advice on how
to approach life situations and if you did it well,
this would be the way that you should speak to
the media or handle yourself and not a tangent. I
thought we were gonna go on, but I mean, I'm
gonna go with that right now. Which would you rather
hear from someone who has been through I'll just put
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it this way, A lot like O. J. Simpson giving
advice on this because he is firsthand experienced it or
is it too hypocritical, where like you're like, yeah, I
don't think so, man, Like I'd rather get my advice
from from someone else being politically correct, you're gonna say,
oh my gosh, I would never get any advice from O. J. Simpson.
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And then the non hypocritical side, the the in and
the confines and the safety of your own environment where
no one can judge you. Be like man O J.
Spitting some real gang right now. Listen, um, they put
you up on some real game. That man got away
with the murderer of the century, Doug like, like, you
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better listen to him. I mean, and and and still
and for some reason still going strong. I don't know
how it's I don't know how it's happened, but it's happy.
He seems to be happy. And how can he not be.
He's got freedom, He golfs, he plays fantasy from drinks.
He could be living in a cell at this point, man,
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Can I just say, by the way, I don't know
if this would stated. Maybe I didn't miss it, But
maybe I didn't miss it, you know. And and cash
is looking at is that how you say it? Cash
is cashus marsh Okay, cash is clay marsh Is, Mama
call him cash Is. I'm gonna call him cash Is
Clay marsh Uh. One thing to keep in mind here,
when he looked at the sideline, Okay, he didn't make
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any obscene gestures. Did you see it? I didn't see it,
did you guys see it? He didn't do anything that
would bring reproach on him, himself, his family, or his
team in that moment. And by the way, here's the
most important piece of information. He played for them the
year before. Yeah, he was on the roster the so
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the people he was looking at he knew him. He
knew them, Like, like why at what point in and
and the history of our game. Kind of guy that
that wasn't looked at as valuable enough to stay on
the team ends up on another team. That team plays
your team in his old team. He makes a big
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play and he looks at the team like, you know, look,
this was me the guy you got rid of. Why
is that so wrong? Why are we gotten so touch
sensitive where we think that that's like, okay, maybe it
is a little bit of taunting. Sure it is a
little bit of taunting, But at the end of the day,
isn't that a little bit of like that's part of sports.
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Let me go, like you let me go. And I
also think that this maybe because it was a prime
time standalone game and it's getting as much coverage as
it's getting. I wonder if we're gonna start seeing it
slowed down a little bit some of the t We're
at the halfway point of the season, so we we
all know how this works. The NFL has their points
of Emphasis, well they have a WOTA, but it's it's
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more of setting a tone and they do it in
the first half the season and then it just fades
away in the second half or any changes they want
to make, they just suddenly kind of guide the officials
on the field and in a certain path. That call
was delayed enough where I wonder if someone didn't buzz
down and say something like throw it and he spot,
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I need a reason I hadn't thrown and play oh
bumped me. I don't know about that. I just think
in regards to them trying to make an emphasis on taunting,
which they have this year, I almost felt like it
was so delayed that the NFL, in a primetime spot
wanted to say, yeah, that was enough for us. Given
the history and all that, And here's here's the genesis
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of all this. The NFL believes that taunting has led
to more fights or dirty plays that escalated stuff. And
I would just combat this by saying, one, that's not true.
I mean, we've seen so few fights in the NFL
for the most part, and things really normally don't get
out of hands, so let's not exaggerate that. But if
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if you can't have fun, and if after making a
great play you can't have a gesture or something in sport,
where else can you do it? Like, you're not doing
this for society, you know, it's not like people are
walking around after you know, a business meeting or they
close a deal, you know, pulling out their competition, grabbing
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their nuts at some restaurant. Like It's not like that's
what's happening in society. It would be this is football,
this is sports. Like, can we not let the players
have fun out with the fans and joy on this?
I'm still going to say. And I don't know he
called they called it taunting, but he threw that flag
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clearly after he was in dress, after bumping into him.
It wasn't the way he threw it. He looked at
him like he looked at him. He looked at him like,
all right, I'm gonna grab my flag. Now I'm a
bump into him, and now I'm like, you make contact
with me, and I'm throwing this flag, which now leads
to the debate of if you bump into a referee
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like that, they're gonna eject you from the game. He's
saying it wasn't because of the bump though. And you
can see the kisher pulling in and pulling the flag out.
He's already don't see him pull You see him holding
the flag. Now he's start and holding the flag. He
doesn't pull that flat. If you guys watch it again,
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he has his hand on the flag. He is not
removing the flag from his belt waist. He's got his
hand on it. Once he bumped into him, that's when
he started tugging out the flag to throw the flag away.
This is something everything I'm telling you the details, that's right,
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that's not what you know. What you know? You know
what the NFL should do. Since they're so worried about
fights escalating, why don't you do something about the fights
in the stands. Every week there are more fights in
the stands every single game this year than we've seen before.
Guys on the what's the last time you saw an
out and out brawl in an NFL game between two teams?
It hardly ever happens. Everybody's wearing helmets, were fine, unless
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unless you're playing at Washington and Jimmy Lakes your coach.
But never one. All that that's a conversation for another time.
This this idea that this is all about, you know,
protecting players and making sure there's no fight, it's a
bunch of crap. And I actually think we're gonna see
significantly less taunting penalties because of what happened last night.
It was so egregious accountable, that's all I'm saying. He
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should be held accountable. That referee should be fine for
whether whether right or wrong, he should be fine, Like,
he should be fine for what he did. Yeah, and
that's the bottom line of it. And and then let
me let me add this to you, like we could
talk about that fights in the stands and stuff like that. Listen,
football is a full contact sport. Name another full contact
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sport out there, and if you get into hockey, which
is the only one that I can think of that's
full contact that's out there. Um and and then you
think about contact sports, combat sports like m m A
and boxing, they are the worst. They are the worst
in taunting. Nobody cares. You know why, because you gotta
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be a tap bit off to run into a three
pound man and think that something good is gonna happen.
You gotta be a little off to go in there
and know that you're gonna get punched and elbowed and
kicked in your head. You gotta be off when you
know that a puck is gonna hit you in your
face and knock your teeth out, or you could get
hit with a blade, or you can drop the gloves
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and start nucking right out there on the ice. You
gotta have a little bit off about you if you
are going to do full contacts for period. So why
do we get so crazy and sensitive and super moist
about situations where dudes are sitting there being who they are.
You want to subdue people that you want to see
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do what they're supposed to do, which is a very
very violent situation that you're talking about. But yet and
the violence of what it is that they're doing in
the physicality of what they're doing. Oh, you also want
them to be very very subdued and in control and
understand that taunting of any sort of any kind and
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show of emotion after you've done something so physical and
violent to somebody is inappropriate and unacceptable. I find that
to be very, very hypocritical and and quite weird. Really,
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Seahawks have a deal with their starting quarterback, Russell Wilson's back.
He is back. Russ's back. The finger heard round the world.
The in fact, I would, I would argue, the most
important finger, since et Russky is back. Uh and he
is he is ready to go. Leave that leave the
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let's leave the jokes in the hole stairs sleeves. Um,
now there is uh, you know, but but of course
you know, we wanted to make this, make this very
clear about just how important this comeback was. So we
do have a statement from Russ's doctor. This is from
Dr Steve Shin, and we wanted to give this the
proper tribute here on Fox Sports Radio. Um so this
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is from Russ's doctor. Uh, I want to make sure
that we have h everybody's ready here. On October seven, two,
Thoe Russell Wilson sustained severe injuries to the middle finger
of his right throwing hand during a game. He had
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immediate surgery the following day in the form of a
repair of a fractured dislocation of his proximal la la
la joint and an extensor tendon rupture mallet finger. Okay,
although Russ was unchartered territory, I have a jonus in
my career seen such a severe injury to the throwing
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hand of an NFL quarterbacks to us. I have also
never encountered a players so committed to his pastor operative
whatever therapy and was so much conviction to regard to
the same level of performance if he had pre injury. US.
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Mr Mr Alamited absolutely amazed at his progress, so much
so that I can now confidently clear here him for
full return to play without reservations. The Wilson's back, you know,
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I know I've been great. Everybody he is back. Well,
I mean that was good. We were did pretty good. There. Well,
this guy's a nob man. I don't know, Like, hey, Brady,
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stick up for your quarterback brethren, Please stick a stick
up for this sort of behavior. This. I'm not going
to go that direction. I'm more going to go to
this doctor that makes it seem like this was the
most insurmountable thing that's ever occurred in all sports. I mean,
I literally had this injury. It was so bad. My
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fracture dislocation was so bad they had to put two
pins in and there was no way I could come
back in the final six weeks of the season. And
and I think they put a pin in this case,
it's his middle finger on his throwing hand, and they've
done all this rehab. He if he had surgery right
after the Rams game where he injured it, and he'll
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be back to play five weeks will be five weeks
are roughly approximately that number heading into this week's game
versus or versus the Green Bay Packers, so that that
amount of time I think was faster or on the
more aggressive end of what they thought. But the doctor
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made it seem like this was some instrumountable thing he's
coming back from. I will say this, I do think
he's gonna have a harder time coming back than people realize.
Like I've told you all, like I still to this day.
You can go ahead and just jab a knife and
then my finger can't feel it, can't feel it, like
you could chop off the end of my finger, can't
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feel it. I would be sitting there like y'all looking
at it, going that looks coore, But yeah it does.
It looks really weird, but that's that's just what it is.
And it's gonna feel different. He's not gonna have the
same ability to spin it us consistently. I find this
interesting to see what he's gonna look like coming back
right away. He'll have to adjust as the season goes along.
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But I don't know, man, the whole build up, the Secession,
which is a great series, the theme music to it,
it just all seems like a little much. I had
to two lineman three plus pound guys collide, a defensive
linement and offensive lineman collide, and my finger was in
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between their helmets. I had an injury where I fractured
my ring finger on my right hand and ended up
with the mallet finger. And I did not miss a practice. Now, granted,
I am not a quarterback. I do not have to
hold a ball. I do not have to throw the ball.
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But I did not miss a practice with seemingly the
same injury. So I just want to put that in perspective.
Like my finger is mangled, it still looks weird. So
let's just be clear here. They probably try to repair
it and save it from being a mallet. Like, let's
put it in a proper context, right, like the pins
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and and straightening it out and putting the cast on
it and all those things. Is because he doesn't want
a crazy looking finger. That's because of the way you
use your fingers to throw these able to use your extensors,
meaning like you know how with a mallet finger, Just
so people understand, it's like your finger being bent and
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you have no ability to straighten it, like a double
jointed finger. People like that. You know how, You've been
the top of your finger and it's like I'm double
join it like that. That the way you move your finger,
it stays that way. It does not move right. So
and so you need the ability to extend it in
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order to be able to flex your hand and then
grip a ball. But also you know, push off to
create the spin and be as accurate with it coming off,
you know, the tip of your fingers. That's why it's important.
I mean, it's a very small thing, but it actually
ends up being a huge piece of throwing the football
accurately and then and powerfully down the field. That's another
thing that I'll be curious to see. Russe is a
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great deep ball thrower. I do wonder how this is
gonna impact him, you know, trying to push the football
down the field once he gets into a game scenario.
Is that smart to even push it down the field?
Is the question that would add. Honestly, I'll be I'll
be curious to see what that game plan looks like
like if they're not gonna try to ease him maybe
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back into it in some way, because I do think
you're gonna see you can see some wibbly passes, you
can see some throws that are off, and you're gonna
say to yourself like, okay, like what are you chalking
up to rust He hadn't played five weeks. Maybe it's
that we get chocked up to potentially the finger. I'll
be curious to see how they tape it. I also
think the other thing that you're dealing with is it's
cold already. We're getting at that time of the year,
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so you already have a hard time feeling your fingers
when you're adapting to the fact that, you know, you
lose the nerves sensation the way they splice that thing
open to shove in a pin in there, you lose
that nerves sensation. So he's not going to have that back.
I'm telling you it's gonna feel different to him moving
forward this year. Now, this is all of it, you know,
definitely important. Can we talk about just the social media stuff?
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I mean, come on, man, like, what are we doing here?
Like he's got to have these production videos. The doctor's
got to come out and ball wash him like this.
Both you guys had similar injuries. I didn't see you
guys run into my space during the time of year
injuries making sure the doctor though you don't think Russ
proof red that. No, the doctor knows that he knows
where that's going, he knows that's gonna be out there.
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His name is will be a part of it. So
he has to make it like he has to make
it so big of a deal that no one's ever
going to forget about it. You know what he has
to do is he has to have a Jonas moment
with Sierra wake up and say you don't see any
sweat and you know why because that is the magical
elixir that will heal my finger, of my hand and
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the rest of this world. That is a good point. Yeah,
you got y'all got to go to bed. Seattle. You
gotta sea, Yeah, Seattle, you gotta d I gotta wet
this bird so I can heal my hand, that golden bath,
the gold so I can be sure to catch live
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wherever you get your podcasts. So Robert Sala, the head
coach of the New York Jets um he was asked
about the potential of Zach Wilson playing this upcoming Sunday
against the Buffalo Bills, and uh, he had this to
say yesterday, Will he play on Sunday? If? Yeah, if
he's if he's fully healthy, for sure, So it meaning
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like he'll start on Sunday then if he's fully healthy, yeah,
but it's uh, but again it's we'll see how he
is based on today. Guys. Will just give you guys
the heads up. We'll see how it looks. But we're
not in any hurry of rushing back. At the same point,
because of the fact that this is a two to
four week injury, he's working on his going to the
week three and a couple of hurdles he has to
pass yet, which is being a better quarterback than Mike What,
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which is totally non injury related. Before art from the
LaVar turning his back on Zach Wilson and season has
been back is to him. I love the fact that
the vartists literally spit on that. He was just like,
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I'm not here for any of this. I'm not here
for any explanation about this right now, because that's what
he's listen. I mean, did you guys read it differently?
You know I felt the same way. I just yeah, okay,
did we want to ease into it. Let's ease into it. Listen.
Zach Wilson is your top draft pick. You you took
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him instead of Mac Jones, and everybody talked about how,
you know, everything happened. So Bill Belichick wouldn't get mac Jones,
but he's still got mac Jones at the pick he
wanted to get mac Jones and other quarterbacks went. One
of those quarterbacks is your quarterback. You're a new coach
in New York. New York has been bad, really bad,
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really bad for a really long time. Okay, you bring
in Zach Wilson. Zach Wilson does not help the really bad.
He goes out with an injury. Mike White gives you hope,
He gives you a light. He gives Robert Sala a
little bit of confidence. He wants to see more. Mike
White za played pretty well last week too. It wasn't
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that bad. Well, yeah, because because he went out, Mike
went out a little early. That's that's fine. But listen,
This is not about him. This is about Mike White.
He wants to see more and he's curious as to
know if he did not go out of the game hurt,
would he have been able to produce the same results,
thus leaving him to be able to obscurely give a
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a response to why Zack Wilson will be given all
the time that he needs to be able to heal
from his two to four week injury. So we switched
from the greatest healer of all time that's gonna come
back and play ahead of schedule because we need him
to play to now we got a guy that needs
to take maybe five to six weeks for two to
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four week injury to heal up. There you go. No,
I I love it. I love it. And look from
the Jets perspective, I don't know that anyone drafting a quarterback,
whether it was Mac Jones who felt like he was
the most NFL ready, or Zach Wilson, or Trevor Lawrence
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or Trey definitely not Trey Lancer justin Fields. I don't
know that any team that was saying to themselves, yeah,
this guy is ready for the NFL Day one, Like
that's just not the case. So maybe they've they've seen
Zach Wilson played long enough now to know that they
wish they would have brought someone else in to let
him sit, let him watch. Maybe he's at a different
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point when he gets this opportunity, or we're not talking
about this because he's not getting banged up in intry,
he's not holding on the football allowing himself to get
hit as many times as he has behind a porous
offensive line. Maybe maybe that's more of the conversation now.
Now they're trying to roll things back, like, yeah, you know,
let's let him take his time, you know, and maybe
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in the meantime we'll check out what Mike White can do.
Who look, he hasn't obviously played a bunch of games.
He's been in the NFL a little bit though, he's
got some seasoning to him, and they're probably looking themselves
in at this point, our seasons lost, there's nothing to gain,
So why not I see what you have in Mike White?
Not forced Wilson to come back before he really has
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two needs to and then at least you've got a
clearer version, you know, a clearer vision on what your
roster looks like going into the off season because this
team is still rebuilding, and if that's the case, you
better be super clear with what your objectives are in
regards to that quarterback position, whether it's Zack Wilson's the guy,
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or you feel like you need to bring in someone else,
or you feel like what you've already got maybe worth
continuing to explore. And I think that's it makes all
the sense in the world. If Mike White's healthy, which yeah,
we can call him to question what exactly was injured.
I mean, he goes in, doesn't have a great first series,
second series, leads his team down to feel a touchdown
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ties the game up, and now he's gonna write four
on issue that seemed I'm not sure when it happened
or what was wrong. It seemed like he was like, yeah,
I've done enough. I'm ready to sit out the rest
of the year and get that second contract before things
start to look worse. Behind this rope, I'm just saying
like it was a very savvy NFL backup where you
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would have play enough the showcase what you can do,
but not enough on a bad team that's gonna you know,
show your flaws or your team's flaws. And you get
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Cassius Marsh having a postgame press conference after getting called
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that paid out pretty heavily. Their Brady Quinn was that
on prop bet monster it was not now the profit
monster you guys pushed. I mean, listen, there's no other
way to just you know, and make it pretty. You
guys pushed on the proper How many of our bets
were actually like bets that you could have won her
lost well to. We'll talk about it later the hour
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because there there is some I don't want to say controversy,
but there's a little bit of an issue with with
some of this stuff. Is there always contract because it's
a profit monster? Man, he doesn't play nice. What do
you want? I don't know to tell you? Mean, he look,
I I have you know, I go in a in
a place to put those bets together and then you
guys criticize me every week. This isn't what i'nster trust
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what I tell you that what I'd get you more
like it. But cash is marsh. Cash is marsh. Step,
cashis marsh step to the podium. He looked like Leonardo
DiCaprio off the Revenante when he crawled out of that
dead horse. He had this to say about the incident.
It's pretty clear to everybody who saw it that I
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wasn't taunting, like you know, I've been doing the celebration
my whole career, and uh, you know, it's just sad
to see stuff like that happened in a close game
like that. It's just rough man on my way to
the sideline. I got hip checked by the reff and
it's it's pretty clear if I were to do that
to a ref or even touch the ref, you know,
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we get kicked out of the game and possibly suspended
and find So I just think that that was incredible,
the inappropriate, and that's all I'll say about that. Yeah.
So he doubled down on his fine, Yeah, yeah, you
think they're going to double them up on that? Oh, absolutely,
they are doubled down on it. I will say this
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in his defense, it looked like the ref backed into
it wasn't anything to do with him. But as I said,
before I do. You did look like he was already
already had his hand in his pocket getting ready to
throw that flag. So it wasn't about the amazing Jean
Claude van Damn roundhouse kick. It was the aggressive stare
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down that took place for about bad say, eight seconds
after the sack. You can't stare at the sideline anymore,
like I I get it, it's a point of emphasis,
but I thought taunting was like standing over a guy's face,
grabbing your crotch and doing a throat slash. Yester, you
can't stare in a sideline. Can we take a step
back though? Like, okay, if you're ready to throw the
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flag because of a taunting call, then throw the flo egg.
What are you gonna wait until you guys make contact? Which,
by the way, if you have eyes in your head
and either one of them work, even have decently work.
You saw the man get in the path of him
running like he got in the path of him, like
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he braced himself, he backed into him, and he heat
make contact with the player. There's no getting out of
the way of that. And listen, referees are people, right,
there's human there's human error, and what referees do like
we see it play out weekend and week out, and
sometimes you gotta be I mean, let's just be real here,
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these dudes sometimes be power tripping. They power trip, and
the funniest thing is, you know how they power trip.
You gotta pay attention to this people when you when
you're watching games, the power trippers, the way they throw
their flags. Like I remember when not one referee power
tripped on on Big Zoo, right and and and and
Orlando Brown did something the referee didn't like it, And
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not only did he throw the flag, he threw it
at him. He threw it at him. I don't know what,
like what is it beans or something that are in
the bottom of those It's not like a mixture of
sand and rosin cane. At this point, you gotta watch
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the way they throw it. Like when they throw the flag,
it shows you what type of person they are, their
style in their technique of delivering their flag. And this
guy clearly had he clearly had a burrow for him.
So var if you see an official throw his flag
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like way up in the air, like almost like a
pop fly, what does that tell you about that official?
You're out of here, Yeah, It's like it's like, don't try, Like,
do you understand how far I can throw this flag
up into the air? Do you want to see how
strong my arm and my hips and my gloy A.
I was gonna say, yeah, he's making a rain or
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he's trying to tell you, hey, this is what I'm
working with. You know what I'm saying. It's like when
when I go off, I go off in a big way.
Because my next follow up is what about the officials?
You just look like they drop it out of their pocket,
you know, like they're they're chilling. They don't really want
to throw the flag, like they're that they're that police
officer that pulls you over and they're like, look, man,
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i'm gonna give you a warning, and literally just a warning.
I don't I'm not giving you no written warning, just
just like man, slow down. Right. Then you got the
flag thrower that throws it up like you said, that
just wants to let you know like they they flossy,
you know what I mean, Like I'm flossy with it.
I was more thinking the guy who drops this kind
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of just like you know, like, okay, how would you
guys throw if you were if you were. If you
were in a shaw and you pulled a flag to
throw it, how would you I would just spike it
on the ground as hard as I could. Like, if
we're doing this, let's do it, man. I don't think
I'd be like an umpire. I would literally like toss
it up in the air. But as it's up in
the air, give some sort of signal, you know, almost
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like to the umpires. How they would they strike a strikeout?
Remember The Naked Gun when Leslie Nielsen was the umpire
behind walking Everything good? But it wasn't O J. Simpson
in that movie. Yes he was. Whatever happened, So he's
still he's doing on social media post yeah, yes, he's
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telling people like the right the right advice on how
to approach life situations and if you did it well,
this would be the way that you should speak to
the media or handle yourself and not a tangent. I
thought we were gonna go on, but I mean, I'm
gonna go with that right now. Which would you rather
hear from someone who has been through I'll just put
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it this way, A lot like O. J. Simpson giving
advice on this because he is firsthand experienced it or
is it too hypocritical, where like you're like, yeah, I
don't think so, man, Like I'd rather get my advice
from from someone else being politically correct, you're gonna say,
oh my gosh, I would never get any advice from O. J. Simpson.
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And then the non hypocritical side, the the in and
the confines and the safety of your own environment where
no one can judge you. Be like man O J.
Spitting some real gang right now. Listen, um, they put
you up on some real game. That man got away
with the murderer of the century, Doug like, like, you
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better listen to him. I mean, and and and still
and for some reason still going strong. I don't know
how it's I don't know how it's happened, but it's happy.
He seems to be happy. And how can he not be.
He's got freedom, He golfs, he plays fantasy from drinks.
He could be living in a cell at this point, man,
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Can I just say, by the way, I don't know
if this would stated. Maybe I didn't miss it, But
maybe I didn't miss it, you know. And and cash
is looking at is that how you say it? Cash
is cashus marsh Okay, cash is clay marsh Is, Mama
call him cash Is. I'm gonna call him cash Is
Clay marsh Uh. One thing to keep in mind here,
when he looked at the sideline, Okay, he didn't make
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any obscene gestures. Did you see it? I didn't see it,
did you guys see it? He didn't do anything that
would bring reproach on him, himself, his family, or his
team in that moment. And by the way, here's the
most important piece of information. He played for them the
year before. Yeah, he was on the roster the so
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the people he was looking at he knew him. He
knew them, Like, like why at what point in and
and the history of our game. Kind of guy that
that wasn't looked at as valuable enough to stay on
the team ends up on another team. That team plays
your team in his old team. He makes a big
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play and he looks at the team like, you know, look,
this was me the guy you got rid of. Why
is that so wrong? Why are we gotten so touch
sensitive where we think that that's like, okay, maybe it
is a little bit of taunting. Sure it is a
little bit of taunting, But at the end of the day,
isn't that a little bit of like that's part of sports.
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Let me go, like you let me go. And I
also think that this maybe because it was a prime
time standalone game and it's getting as much coverage as
it's getting. I wonder if we're gonna start seeing it
slowed down a little bit some of the t We're
at the halfway point of the season, so we we
all know how this works. The NFL has their points
of Emphasis, well they have a WOTA, but it's it's
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more of setting a tone and they do it in
the first half the season and then it just fades
away in the second half or any changes they want
to make, they just suddenly kind of guide the officials
on the field and in a certain path. That call
was delayed enough where I wonder if someone didn't buzz
down and say something like throw it and he spot,
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I need a reason I hadn't thrown and play oh
bumped me. I don't know about that. I just think
in regards to them trying to make an emphasis on taunting,
which they have this year, I almost felt like it
was so delayed that the NFL, in a primetime spot
wanted to say, yeah, that was enough for us. Given
the history and all that, And here's here's the genesis
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of all this. The NFL believes that taunting has led
to more fights or dirty plays that escalated stuff. And
I would just combat this by saying, one, that's not true.
I mean, we've seen so few fights in the NFL
for the most part, and things really normally don't get
out of hands, so let's not exaggerate that. But if
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if you can't have fun, and if after making a
great play you can't have a gesture or something in sport,
where else can you do it? Like, you're not doing
this for society, you know, it's not like people are
walking around after you know, a business meeting or they
close a deal, you know, pulling out their competition, grabbing
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their nuts at some restaurant. Like It's not like that's
what's happening in society. It would be this is football,
this is sports. Like, can we not let the players
have fun out with the fans and joy on this?
I'm still going to say. And I don't know he
called they called it taunting, but he threw that flag
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clearly after he was in dress, after bumping into him.
It wasn't the way he threw it. He looked at
him like he looked at him. He looked at him like,
all right, I'm gonna grab my flag. Now I'm a
bump into him, and now I'm like, you make contact
with me, and I'm throwing this flag, which now leads
to the debate of if you bump into a referee
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like that, they're gonna eject you from the game. He's
saying it wasn't because of the bump though. And you
can see the kisher pulling in and pulling the flag out.
He's already don't see him pull You see him holding
the flag. Now he's start and holding the flag. He
doesn't pull that flat. If you guys watch it again,
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he has his hand on the flag. He is not
removing the flag from his belt waist. He's got his
hand on it. Once he bumped into him, that's when
he started tugging out the flag to throw the flag away.
This is something everything I'm telling you the details, that's right,
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that's not what you know. What you know? You know
what the NFL should do. Since they're so worried about
fights escalating, why don't you do something about the fights
in the stands. Every week there are more fights in
the stands every single game this year than we've seen before.
Guys on the what's the last time you saw an
out and out brawl in an NFL game between two teams?
It hardly ever happens. Everybody's wearing helmets, were fine, unless
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unless you're playing at Washington and Jimmy Lakes your coach.
But never one. All that that's a conversation for another time.
This this idea that this is all about, you know,
protecting players and making sure there's no fight, it's a
bunch of crap. And I actually think we're gonna see
significantly less taunting penalties because of what happened last night.
It was so egregious accountable, that's all I'm saying. He
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should be held accountable. That referee should be fine for
whether whether right or wrong, he should be fine, Like,
he should be fine for what he did. Yeah, and
that's the bottom line of it. And and then let
me let me add this to you, like we could
talk about that fights in the stands and stuff like that. Listen,
football is a full contact sport. Name another full contact
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sport out there, and if you get into hockey, which
is the only one that I can think of that's
full contact that's out there. Um and and then you
think about contact sports, combat sports like m m A
and boxing, they are the worst. They are the worst
in taunting. Nobody cares. You know why, because you gotta
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be a tap bit off to run into a three
pound man and think that something good is gonna happen.
You gotta be a little off to go in there
and know that you're gonna get punched and elbowed and
kicked in your head. You gotta be off when you
know that a puck is gonna hit you in your
face and knock your teeth out, or you could get
hit with a blade, or you can drop the gloves
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and start nucking right out there on the ice. You
gotta have a little bit off about you if you
are going to do full contacts for period. So why
do we get so crazy and sensitive and super moist
about situations where dudes are sitting there being who they are.
You want to subdue people that you want to see
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do what they're supposed to do, which is a very
very violent situation that you're talking about. But yet and
the violence of what it is that they're doing in
the physicality of what they're doing. Oh, you also want
them to be very very subdued and in control and
understand that taunting of any sort of any kind and
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show of emotion after you've done something so physical and
violent to somebody is inappropriate and unacceptable. I find that
to be very, very hypocritical and and quite weird. Really,
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Seahawks have a deal with their starting quarterback, Russell Wilson's back.
He is back. Russ's back. The finger heard round the world.
The in fact, I would, I would argue, the most
important finger, since et Russky is back. Uh and he
is he is ready to go. Leave that leave the
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let's leave the jokes in the hole stairs sleeves. Um,
now there is uh, you know, but but of course
you know, we wanted to make this, make this very
clear about just how important this comeback was. So we
do have a statement from Russ's doctor. This is from
Dr Steve Shin, and we wanted to give this the
proper tribute here on Fox Sports Radio. Um so this
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is from Russ's doctor. Uh, I want to make sure
that we have h everybody's ready here. On October seven, two,
Thoe Russell Wilson sustained severe injuries to the middle finger
of his right throwing hand during a game. He had
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immediate surgery the following day in the form of a
repair of a fractured dislocation of his proximal la la
la joint and an extensor tendon rupture mallet finger. Okay,
although Russ was unchartered territory, I have a jonus in
my career seen such a severe injury to the throwing
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hand of an NFL quarterbacks to us. I have also
never encountered a players so committed to his pastor operative
whatever therapy and was so much conviction to regard to
the same level of performance if he had pre injury. US.
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Mr Mr Alamited absolutely amazed at his progress, so much
so that I can now confidently clear here him for
full return to play without reservations. The Wilson's back, you know,
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I know I've been great. Everybody he is back. Well,
I mean that was good. We were did pretty good. There. Well,
this guy's a nob man. I don't know, Like, hey, Brady,
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stick up for your quarterback brethren, Please stick a stick
up for this sort of behavior. This. I'm not going
to go that direction. I'm more going to go to
this doctor that makes it seem like this was the
most insurmountable thing that's ever occurred in all sports. I mean,
I literally had this injury. It was so bad. My
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fracture dislocation was so bad they had to put two
pins in and there was no way I could come
back in the final six weeks of the season. And
and I think they put a pin in this case,
it's his middle finger on his throwing hand, and they've
done all this rehab. He if he had surgery right
after the Rams game where he injured it, and he'll
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be back to play five weeks will be five weeks
are roughly approximately that number heading into this week's game
versus or versus the Green Bay Packers, so that that
amount of time I think was faster or on the
more aggressive end of what they thought. But the doctor
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made it seem like this was some instrumountable thing he's
coming back from. I will say this, I do think
he's gonna have a harder time coming back than people realize.
Like I've told you all, like I still to this day.
You can go ahead and just jab a knife and
then my finger can't feel it, can't feel it, like
you could chop off the end of my finger, can't
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feel it. I would be sitting there like y'all looking
at it, going that looks coore, But yeah it does.
It looks really weird, but that's that's just what it is.
And it's gonna feel different. He's not gonna have the
same ability to spin it us consistently. I find this
interesting to see what he's gonna look like coming back
right away. He'll have to adjust as the season goes along.
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But I don't know, man, the whole build up, the Secession,
which is a great series, the theme music to it,
it just all seems like a little much. I had
to two lineman three plus pound guys collide, a defensive
linement and offensive lineman collide, and my finger was in
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between their helmets. I had an injury where I fractured
my ring finger on my right hand and ended up
with the mallet finger. And I did not miss a practice. Now, granted,
I am not a quarterback. I do not have to
hold a ball. I do not have to throw the ball.
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But I did not miss a practice with seemingly the
same injury. So I just want to put that in perspective.
Like my finger is mangled, it still looks weird. So
let's just be clear here. They probably try to repair
it and save it from being a mallet. Like, let's
put it in a proper context, right, like the pins
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and and straightening it out and putting the cast on
it and all those things. Is because he doesn't want
a crazy looking finger. That's because of the way you
use your fingers to throw these able to use your extensors,
meaning like you know how with a mallet finger, Just
so people understand, it's like your finger being bent and
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you have no ability to straighten it, like a double
jointed finger. People like that. You know how, You've been
the top of your finger and it's like I'm double
join it like that. That the way you move your finger,
it stays that way. It does not move right. So
and so you need the ability to extend it in
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order to be able to flex your hand and then
grip a ball. But also you know, push off to
create the spin and be as accurate with it coming off,
you know, the tip of your fingers. That's why it's important.
I mean, it's a very small thing, but it actually
ends up being a huge piece of throwing the football
accurately and then and powerfully down the field. That's another
thing that I'll be curious to see. Russe is a
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great deep ball thrower. I do wonder how this is
gonna impact him, you know, trying to push the football
down the field once he gets into a game scenario.
Is that smart to even push it down the field?
Is the question that would add. Honestly, I'll be I'll
be curious to see what that game plan looks like
like if they're not gonna try to ease him maybe
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back into it in some way, because I do think
you're gonna see you can see some wibbly passes, you
can see some throws that are off, and you're gonna
say to yourself like, okay, like what are you chalking
up to rust He hadn't played five weeks. Maybe it's
that we get chocked up to potentially the finger. I'll
be curious to see how they tape it. I also
think the other thing that you're dealing with is it's
cold already. We're getting at that time of the year,
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so you already have a hard time feeling your fingers
when you're adapting to the fact that, you know, you
lose the nerves sensation the way they splice that thing
open to shove in a pin in there, you lose
that nerves sensation. So he's not going to have that back.
I'm telling you it's gonna feel different to him moving
forward this year. Now, this is all of it, you know,
definitely important. Can we talk about just the social media stuff?
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I mean, come on, man, like, what are we doing here?
Like he's got to have these production videos. The doctor's
got to come out and ball wash him like this.
Both you guys had similar injuries. I didn't see you
guys run into my space during the time of year
injuries making sure the doctor though you don't think Russ
proof red that. No, the doctor knows that he knows
where that's going, he knows that's gonna be out there.
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His name is will be a part of it. So
he has to make it like he has to make
it so big of a deal that no one's ever
going to forget about it. You know what he has
to do is he has to have a Jonas moment
with Sierra wake up and say you don't see any
sweat and you know why because that is the magical
elixir that will heal my finger, of my hand and
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the rest of this world. That is a good point. Yeah,
you got y'all got to go to bed. Seattle. You
gotta sea, Yeah, Seattle, you gotta d I gotta wet
this bird so I can heal my hand, that golden bath,
the gold so I can be sure to catch live
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wherever you get your podcasts. So Robert Sala, the head
coach of the New York Jets um he was asked
about the potential of Zach Wilson playing this upcoming Sunday
against the Buffalo Bills, and uh, he had this to
say yesterday, Will he play on Sunday? If? Yeah, if
he's if he's fully healthy, for sure, So it meaning
(25:43):
like he'll start on Sunday then if he's fully healthy, yeah,
but it's uh, but again it's we'll see how he
is based on today. Guys. Will just give you guys
the heads up. We'll see how it looks. But we're
not in any hurry of rushing back. At the same point,
because of the fact that this is a two to
four week injury, he's working on his going to the
week three and a couple of hurdles he has to
pass yet, which is being a better quarterback than Mike What,
(26:07):
which is totally non injury related. Before art from the
LaVar turning his back on Zach Wilson and season has
been back is to him. I love the fact that
the vartists literally spit on that. He was just like,
(26:28):
I'm not here for any of this. I'm not here
for any explanation about this right now, because that's what
he's listen. I mean, did you guys read it differently?
You know I felt the same way. I just yeah, okay,
did we want to ease into it. Let's ease into it. Listen.
Zach Wilson is your top draft pick. You you took
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him instead of Mac Jones, and everybody talked about how,
you know, everything happened. So Bill Belichick wouldn't get mac Jones,
but he's still got mac Jones at the pick he
wanted to get mac Jones and other quarterbacks went. One
of those quarterbacks is your quarterback. You're a new coach
in New York. New York has been bad, really bad,
(27:11):
really bad for a really long time. Okay, you bring
in Zach Wilson. Zach Wilson does not help the really bad.
He goes out with an injury. Mike White gives you hope,
He gives you a light. He gives Robert Sala a
little bit of confidence. He wants to see more. Mike
White za played pretty well last week too. It wasn't
(27:33):
that bad. Well, yeah, because because he went out, Mike
went out a little early. That's that's fine. But listen,
This is not about him. This is about Mike White.
He wants to see more and he's curious as to
know if he did not go out of the game hurt,
would he have been able to produce the same results,
thus leaving him to be able to obscurely give a
(27:58):
a response to why Zack Wilson will be given all
the time that he needs to be able to heal
from his two to four week injury. So we switched
from the greatest healer of all time that's gonna come
back and play ahead of schedule because we need him
to play to now we got a guy that needs
to take maybe five to six weeks for two to
(28:19):
four week injury to heal up. There you go. No,
I I love it. I love it. And look from
the Jets perspective, I don't know that anyone drafting a quarterback,
whether it was Mac Jones who felt like he was
the most NFL ready, or Zach Wilson, or Trevor Lawrence
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or Trey definitely not Trey Lancer justin Fields. I don't
know that any team that was saying to themselves, yeah,
this guy is ready for the NFL Day one, Like
that's just not the case. So maybe they've they've seen
Zach Wilson played long enough now to know that they
wish they would have brought someone else in to let
him sit, let him watch. Maybe he's at a different
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point when he gets this opportunity, or we're not talking
about this because he's not getting banged up in intry,
he's not holding on the football allowing himself to get
hit as many times as he has behind a porous
offensive line. Maybe maybe that's more of the conversation now.
Now they're trying to roll things back, like, yeah, you know,
let's let him take his time, you know, and maybe
(29:23):
in the meantime we'll check out what Mike White can do.
Who look, he hasn't obviously played a bunch of games.
He's been in the NFL a little bit though, he's
got some seasoning to him, and they're probably looking themselves
in at this point, our seasons lost, there's nothing to gain,
So why not I see what you have in Mike White?
Not forced Wilson to come back before he really has
(29:45):
two needs to and then at least you've got a
clearer version, you know, a clearer vision on what your
roster looks like going into the off season because this
team is still rebuilding, and if that's the case, you
better be super clear with what your objectives are in
regards to that quarterback position, whether it's Zack Wilson's the guy,
(30:06):
or you feel like you need to bring in someone else,
or you feel like what you've already got maybe worth
continuing to explore. And I think that's it makes all
the sense in the world. If Mike White's healthy, which yeah,
we can call him to question what exactly was injured.
I mean, he goes in, doesn't have a great first series,
second series, leads his team down to feel a touchdown
(30:26):
ties the game up, and now he's gonna write four
on issue that seemed I'm not sure when it happened
or what was wrong. It seemed like he was like, yeah,
I've done enough. I'm ready to sit out the rest
of the year and get that second contract before things
start to look worse. Behind this rope, I'm just saying
like it was a very savvy NFL backup where you
(30:48):
would have play enough the showcase what you can do,
but not enough on a bad team that's gonna you know,
show your flaws or your team's flaws. And you get
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