November 19, 2021 • 39 mins
Jonas, Brady and LaVar wonder if Vegas knows something we don't when previewing the Packers at the Vikings. FOX CFB Analyst Joel Klatt weighs in on speculation Lincoln Riley could leave Oklahoma for LSU. Plus, a preview of the weekend with Over/Unders.
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Sports Radio. So there's a game in the NFL this
weekend and something about it doesn't make a whole hell
of a lot of sense to me, which could spell
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bad news for one Super Bowl contender. We'll get into
all of that here coming up, and just a couple
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six o'clock Pacific right here on Fox Sports Trabels forgot
Yeah football in high school. By the way, do you
think is it official that Matt Ryan's got turf toe?
Because I think I called that the second it half
turf toe. Well, listen, I've had turf toe. Yeah, I
mean it's true. I mean, so if you guys, like
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I used to like a good turf toe, it's not fun.
It hurts. I still have problems with it. It hurts.
Didn't doesn't Dione have Like? Isn't that why you're such
a comeback? You what a dirt bag leotay dirt bag.
I didn't you that that that that uh that buzzed
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right over my head. You were talking about you were
talking about prompt talking about I was I was talking about,
you know, Matt Ryan's turf toe the second he went down.
I call that, I said on the text message, it's
turf towel, you know. But again, you know, yeah, just
Dr Knox over here just diagnosing this stuff. So you
guys need to Yeah, if you guys need me to
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help with any of that stuff, let me know. I
played the game now it works all right? Um So
let me ask you that because little bar you said
that the Green Bay Packers, if you were to re
pick your Super Bowl contender coming out of the NFC,
that the Green Bay Packers will be a correct the
top on the list. Right now, Okay, how the hell
are the Green Bay Packers only like a one point
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favorite at Minnesota this weekend? Because it's a divisional rival?
It's a divisional opponent, not quite as big a rival
as Chicago, but it's a big rival, a rival route
between the two, the ways, the familiarity, I get it.
But do we really think that Aaron Rodgers and the
offense is going to struggle like they did last week
this week? I know he's dealing with whatever. His soda
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has a pretty pretty decent defense. I mean, they've got
some studs on that team. It's it's just one of
those things where I think it's a safer than sorry approach.
But I'm just being honest. The way they're playing right now,
they're they're imbalance, like they have balanced and the only
team that I should I saw a show balance like that.
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Um well, no one really. I mean maybe Arizona maybe,
Arizona UM, but I don't know where Kyler is with
with his health. Without Kyler, they're not the same team.
So when I look at where we're at right now,
and as it applies to Green Bay, they might be
the most balanced team UM in the NFL. And and
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when you're looking at this this matchup, you know, I
don't know why they made it such a small I
don't even know that you called out a spread, um,
but right it's like you gave that's a point. You
gave the point. So so the idea, but to me
is is that you know, they just think that it's
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going to be a hard fight game. But Green Bay
is playing at a different level. Aaron Rodgers, even when
he doesn't play well, you know, they they looked at
his stats, you know, the last one he got. You know,
the stats weren't what they should have been for Aaron Rodgers,
he still impacts the game in a way where even
if his stat line isn't crazy, there's something that he
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had to do with in that game and game plan
that made it work the way that it did. And
that's what I really like and enjoy about this Green
Bay Packers team right now. It may just be Aaron Jones.
You know, maybe maybe no. Aaron Jones closest thing to
Roger Craig that I've seen in the Running back. If
you've never seen Roger Craig this film, no one has
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the knee drive that Roger Craig had. Um. There are
a few that have been nice. Eric Metcalf had real,
real nice gate, real nice drive. But Aaron Aaron Jones
has a similar running style, similar game to Roger Craig,
and I love it. I love watching him play. Like
I don't know why more kids don't have higher knee
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drives when they run. And he's out because he's dealing
with the the knee issue. But I just I don't.
To me, I look at last week and to go, well,
you know, Rogers, they looked a little bit rusty. They
looked a little bit you know, out of swords. But
they'll be able to figure that's the point. But just
Bruiser back there too. Yeah, I just I to me,
this seems like Green Bay should roll. But again, there's
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like a couple of these every single year. And Brady
and I've talked about this where you see a point
spread come out and it goes that just doesn't make
any sense. And then somebody knows something. Maybe it is division,
maybe maybe that's where we're at. But to me, I
just look at this and I just assume Green Bay
is going to get back on track if they're all
that in the NFC, that's my thought. Yeah, I mean, look,
normal circumstances, the home team gets three points, right, So
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what the lines telling you is obviously the betting markets
view Green Bay as the better of the two teams.
That Jones not being their hurts uh, Dalvin Cooks still
playing for the Viking helps as if we've touched on that.
I'm still waiting for something to come out about that.
But look, k Cousins had a good year, like he
always seems to put together these years were He's got
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eighteen touchdown past the two interceptions completely over six passes,
like ho hum, just another year. And and oh, by
the way, justin Jefferson maybe a top five wide receiving
the league. That dude is unstoppable. So like, I think
both these teams will have their their big plays. I
think last week, you know, how Aaron looked was a
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product of probably rust you know, coming back in there
and credit Seattle to I mean, Seattle played him tough.
So I just I think the question really comes to
me or this game is gonna come down to which
Minnesota Vikings defense shows up. Like if you look at
the first five games of the season versus their last four,
I mean, two completely different football teams they were getting
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back to to start this season. What this defense has
typically been under Mike Zimmer with exception of the past
a couple of years, you know, better situation in particular
on third down coverage has been better, a little pressure
has been better at times. There was about a four
or five game skick and after they got started that
that where they kind of found that group, found that rhythm,
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and then they've started to kind of drift back, you know,
and and Baltimore is different animals that kind of that
hurt them. But you know, even last week in a
win versus the Chargers, I just I've got some concerns
that if they earned Rogers that we know shows up,
the Vikings are gonna have a hard time keeping pace.
But I think it would be a great game. I
think this is gonna be the best game of the weekend.
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I also wonder how banged up Rogers really is because
it does. He's listed as questionable, but the assumption is
he's gonna play, But it does. You just want to
And you mentioned the Kyler Murray stuff. I mean Kyler
Murray I think was probably more banged up than they
wanted to lead on to start. Didn't see the way
through his helmet down. It was bet went Listen. I'm
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gonna tell you like this. You're taught at an early
age never let your helmet go, never let it go.
So when you see somebody like like a quarterback on
top of that, with that type of like intensity and
they let that helmet go like that, they are in
serious pain. That's serious pain. So to me, that's you know,
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I knew right away it was. It wasn't good. And
and and another reason why I knew it wasn't good
is when you got a game as big as that
on the line and you can't you don't have enough
adrenaline to overcome the pain that you have going on.
And it is visibly showing the way that it showed
on him in that game. Once that once that adrenaline
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goes away, once that settled it, hey Brady, tell them
about it the next day. The next day, you don't
even realize that how like, how was I even out there?
When you get that type of an injury, it's, uh,
it's weird, man. I mean like the adrenaline that runs
through your body when you mentally prepare for an NFL
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game and then how you feel the next day as
like a civilian's completely different things, which, by the way,
we were I was addressed on the civilian thing and
and listen, yeah, I'm a military, I'm a military kid.
I grew up military. I'm I'm from three generations of military.
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So when when you try to when you try to
military thump it really it really is is It's not
like it falls on like deaf deaf airs with me.
You gotta understand something. A civilian is somebody who is
normal to uh, the people around him, like everyday living.
So when you say civilian, you actually are you When
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you leave a certain culture, no matter what it is,
if you're in law enforcement, if you were, if you
do anything that takes you away from the normal every
day what's going on in regular society and culture, you
are not a regular civilian. Just I just thought I
cleared that up. Somebody somebody got on you because you
said civilian on the air, and and and you know,
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the one thing is it's one. It's one thing. It's
like when you get it's like when you thump, Like
I was in the military, Like I get that, Like
I get that. Like if there are two dudes that
would respect the sanctity and and the I reverenced the
importance of what our arm forces and military represents. There's
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two of us on here that have like like my
father lost his legs in Vietnam, Like he has no feet, right,
so we'll be joking around. I have no legs, right,
Like my dad really has no legs because he they
were in an ambush in Vietnam. Like my dad was
in live live action, Like he saw some of his
best friends die right in front of him. Like like
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I'm we're joking around and talking and smoking cigarettes. In
the next moment, you know, he's he's no longer with us.
So like, you know, I just thought i'd put that
out there. Don't don't you know, don't take take some
of the things we say out of out of context.
We are civilians because we were football players and and
now we're civilians, Like you know, it is what it is.
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People are too sensitive. You guys can you guys can
call me whatever you want, call me a slappy hole,
but you call me whatever you want. I mean, you
basically do every day. Figured I give a I give
a understand because sometimes people you know it, I mean,
and it says, Look, by definition, by definition, if you're
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not in an armed service or police force, then you're
considered to be a civilian. But just because the literal
term is the literal term, doesn't mean that it doesn't
apply to other aspects of life. So like, just kind
of relax. I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm just saying
relax a little bit, you know, because that's the son
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of Chopper, And I'm the son of Michael Team. And
Michael T is a bad man, bro. And if my
daddy say I could say I'm a civilian now, then
I'm gonna say I'm a civilian. Well, what does Michael
T and Chopper think about the Packers MNUS one and
a half, Because I think that Michael, you want to
take the Packers uh winning the game? One? About this one? Really,
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I'm saying, I'm really strange every time I've said this
about a NFL game. Look, Atlanta and Dallas last week.
I was like, man, it was that night and a half.
That's a big line for the way Dallas played versus
Denver and what happened. They took out forty three to
three on wasn't even close. And there's always lines like
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New Orleans last week. Yeah, that was what I was like,
all Right, I'll take the Saints like they'll they'll cover
this because I don't understand why with Trevor Simeon, the
Titans shouldn't just roll those kids. But that was what
we were like, what happens with the Pittsburgh Lions game?
How does that work? We'll bet on that one? How
does that work? Well, there's there's quite is about Roethlisberger,
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whether or not he's going to be cleared from COVID.
What I'm saying last week's game, when when the game
ends in a time that well, if you if you
bet the point spread, yeah, if you've met the point,
if you bet on the money line, which is for
one team to win, it's just a push. You get
your money back. But if you've got the point spread,
yeah you've lost terrible. But listen, uh, you know, it's
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just you know, some sports gambling here nothing like it.
It's always always trying to learn. It doesn't I'm trying
to learn as well too. I learned stuff from you
guys every day. It's how it works. We learned together.
And because we are a great show and we do
this all the time, we're like Matt Campbell's Iowa State
Cyclones together, the most together team in the country. We
don't need to have to win when it all we
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need to be together. Yeah, we just need to stick together.
By the way, up in the morning, you know, get
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You know. The layers of ball busting on this show
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Joel Klatt, Fox Sports college football analyst. He's gonna have
a lot to say about the comments from Matt Campbell.
Also some interesting moves happening around the world of college
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we take a special look ahead to the NFL this weekend.
That twenty minutes from now, right now, though, always kind
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enough to join us here bright and early on a Friday.
It is Joel Klatt, Fox Sports College Football Analyst. He
will be on the call in Norman, number thirteen, Oklahoma
hosting Iowa State. That is again the new and eastern
time kickoff on Fox. Joel, what's happening, how's your Friday?
Good morning? What's going on? Um morning? Just getting ready
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for this game? And of course there's the rumors out
there about Lincoln Riley and l s U and some
sort of an offer that was made potentially, Joel, if
you were Lincoln Riley or you were advising Lincoln Riley,
would you tell him to stay at Oklahoma or to
maybe kick the tires on an l s U deal.
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I would stay at Oklahoma, But you know, I there
there are some that, let's face it, I think you
L s US job more so than I do. I
don't think I think they're both great jobs. But the
first the first element about Oklahoma is that there's there's
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a loyalty at Oklahoma that maybe there isn't quite at
l s U. You can be at at at o
U and have a down year here and they're not
not many. I'm not saying that you can, you know,
be David Shaw Stanford, but you can have a down
year here and there. Stoops was eight and four and
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five a couple of times and it's okay, you know,
and and and they'll stick with you. He didn't win
a national championship every three years, and and he was
still okay, and that that's gonna be afforded Lincoln Riley,
and they're not going to run him out of town
because he didn't win a national championship. Whereat l s U.
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You know, everyone says, no, it's a great job. They've
got resources and recruiting base, and that's absolutely true. They've
got passionate fans, they've got history, they've got everything that
you would want. But they've also got an impatience that
I don't know if it would be attractive if if
I was Lincoln Riley, I can make the same if not,
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you know, equal money at Oklahoma. And everyone says, the
last three coaches have won national championships for the Tigers.
That's an amazing stat it makes it makes it a
great destination. And all three of those guys have gotten
fired basically, and you know it's or at least the last.
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The last two then run out of town. So from
my seat, I think that the impatience at l s
U makes Oklahoma an easier place to stay if you're
Lincoln Riley. He still relies on Bob as as a mentor.
I think that he understands the the immense break that
he got coming from Carolina. You know, I mean, he's
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basically a position coach at Texas. Deck Reverend McNeil takes
him to East Carolina. Um Bob stoops hires him, and
now all of a sudden he's the head coach of
the University of Oklahoma and his mid thirties and and
he's making you know, he can make nine figures here.
I think he should stay. It was a long dissertation
because I think it's a it's a tough question. But
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at the same time, I just think that that Oklahoma
is a is a spot that you can stay for
for a longer period of time. It was a great
question and one that we should also acknowledge the fact
that you're in Norman, Oklahoma. So even if you worse
to say that Lincoln Riley should go to l s U,
we probably want to wait till leaked out right. It's fair.
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It's fair that maybe, like maybe I don't think I would.
You know that I'm pretty stubborn, but tomorrow at like
five PM, I might have a different Well, so so
let me just follow up on that question, because you
gave us some great stuff. One of the things that
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was reported not only from that fact that l s
US making this offer potentially to Lincoln Riley that's competitive.
Let's just say with maybe mil Tuckers, was that Oklahoma
is not going to match it. And I can understand
where they're coming from right, because with Lincoln Riley, you're
gonna deal with us every single year, like literally every
single year, you're gonna get a college top program or
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NFL top program that comes out and says, we want
to sign Lincoln Riley to be become our next head coach.
So you don't want to have to deal with this
time and time and time again. I guess how much
do you think money will play a factor at some
point in his head? And then also the eventual move
to the SEC anyway, and and I guess and looking
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into the future if you can like, yeah, they've been
great being able to win conference championships, but once they
go into the SEC, I think we all would agree.
I wouldn't put them as a top four team right
now in the SEC the way that their teams look.
We'll only have one loss. So how much of it
do you think, well, money will factor in and how
much of it do you think they'll have to look
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into the future and say, what ultimately gives me the
best shot to be a successful head coach? Is that
l s U or would it be Oklahoma standput? Yeah,
I mean that's that's a terrific question. I mean, to
be honest, I I don't know how Oklahoma is going
to do in the SEC. To your point, um, now,
you can look at their record against the SEC over
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the course of the last you know, five, six, seven years,
and it's pretty good. Uh, And you could say that
you know they'd likely do well. And I think that
they will do well. But they've hung their hat on
the fact that they've been big twelve champions now for
the basically the last twenty years, and it's been now
for what twenty one years since they actually have won
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a national championship. And and as as we're talking about
earlier at l s U, it's it's not just about saying, hey,
we can win the SEC. You better be national championship
caliber if you're going to win the SEC. That's that's
the bottom line. So I think that Oklahoma is gonna
be really competitive there, I really do. And I don't
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know exactly how their schedules are gonna work. I've heard
that it's gonna be Pod Systems and they'll be set
up in a pod that I feel like would be
advantageous for them to win. And then it just matters
about the crossover games because it's not like they're gonna
just sit there and play an SEC West schedule because
it's gonna be broken up a little bit different than that. UM.
But having having said that, you know, oh, use identity
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now for twenty years has been we run the Big twelve.
I don't think that they're going to have the same
identity like we run the SEC. They're not gonna run
the SEC. That's just not not the case. Having said that,
I think you're going in at probably a decent time
because I don't think Nick Saban's gonna coach for ten
more years, you know, so you're probably gonna get Nick
Saban in his last few years rather than in the
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in the meat of this twelve year run that's been
the most successful run in the history of college football
for any program that we've ever seen. Joe, I'm I'm
so deep into this n I L thing and the
development of it and everything that that is taking place.
It is, in my opinion, a wave of mass proportions.
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And and the reason why I bring that up and
my preface to the question is looking at what we've
just seen, UM with Oregon and Phil Knight and them
creating this company that helps with n I L and
helps with the taxes and making it seamless. You mentioned
nine figures for for UH for the coaching job, and
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and and and just to listen to nine figures, Like
how big of a play is that n I. How
much does this play into these contracts that are going
to be offered, because now you would have to assume
that these donors that you know, the chains are off,
like the the gate is open. Whatever it is that
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you can do to create a winning team, you now
have the ability to be able to legally do it
and entice the top players to go to schools that
at maybe some point in time they might have not
even looked at that school. Well, you bring up an
interesting point. I don't think. I think that we have
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just seen the tip of the iceberg as far as
the creativeness and I use air quotations creativeness that we're
seeing from from schools, boosters, you know, entities surrounding programs,
and how N I L will be used to make
that destination more attractive. I just I don't know exactly
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what it's gonna look like, LaVar. I wish that I did.
I've been such a purist my my whole life, Like
I just loved to play the game, I was a
walk on, you know it. It's like I just love
to run out behind Ralphie. Even when I was playing,
you know, I thought it was amazing we run out
and get the A E A Sports game, we get
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nt A football because like we were on it, and
I didn't have that sense that I was being taken
advantage of necessarily until maybe right at the end. But
that's that's clearly changing in this day and age. And
I'm and I'm only saying that because I just have
never really thought of it through this lens of the
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N I L. I think that we're headed down a
path in which major boosters are not going to be
in a facilities race, because now everybody has their their
multimillion dollar facilities. We're gonna be in an N I
L race in terms of who can be the most
creative and create the biggest pot of money for everybody
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on the team, and how is it going to be distributed? Distributed?
I'm not sure what that looks like, but I think
that that's certainly it's kind of the way that it's going,
and it's going to basically be the exact same arms
race that we've had for the last fifteen years, because
it's not going to be about building barber shops and
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you know things like that in your facility with slides
and look at all the bells and whistles. It's going
to be what is your n I L nity? What
can it do for me? And how much money can
I make in the next two or three years. You
can get him on Twitter at Joel Claudy as Joel
clad Fox Sports College football Analysts, joining us here on
Fox Sports Rading. He'll be on the call for Oklahoma
and Iowa State tomorrow new and Eastern time on Fox.
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Um Brady made mention of this the Mel Tucker deal.
How surprised were you buy either the length or the
terms reported for the Michigan State head coach. Well, I
think l s U was was very much, you know,
going to come after Mel and and probably actively was
to some extent, and so they needed to pay him
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that because that is what he was going to be
offered from an l s U. This is what l
s U was gonna go after. They're gonna take the
biggest swing that they possibly can. If you're looking at
the contracts that are around the top end of college football,
that's what it is, Jim both Fisher nine million bucks.
You know, Nick is right up there, you know, I
think nine and a half and and going north of
ten here in the next couple of years with his escalators.
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So that's what ELSU was gonna offer. So, you know,
everyone was shocked about that amount in that length, but
that's basically what what the top end of college football
is going to be, which is what they had to
compete with if they wanted to keep him there. You know,
let's just put it this way. Michigan States not the
type of place that you would take less money to
stay at, like maybe you would at Oklahoma if you
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were Lincoln rightly, So they were going to have to
come up to the level that l s U was
talking and that's about what it was. So the ten
years is actually something that I was I was in
my head thinking to myself, what's l s you canna offer?
And I thought to myself, they're probably in the neighborhood
of nine, nine and a half ten million a year,
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So you know, ten ten for a hundred could for
anybody that John deal Man get that money. Hey, class,
I want to ask you, just because obviously you're a Norman.
I'll be there shortly for Oklahoma Iowa State, but Big twelve,
and as we look at the bigger picture in college football,
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as we head towards the College Football Playoff, I kind
of pose this question last week on our show, and
I'm curious to get your thoughts on it. A one
lost Big twelve champ versus let's just say, a one
lost Pack twelve an undefeated Cincinnati. I think I know
what direction you're you're gonna go. But keep this in mind,
We've never had a team make it in the top
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four the College Football Playoff that wasn't within the top
seven this late in the college football rankings. So that
being said, does a Big twelve champ have a chance
with only one loss. Yes, they've got they've got a chance,
But I think some dominoes have to fall their way.
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Let me just paint this scenario, and I hope I
don't get to like too much into the weeds now.
The first the first thing that I would say is,
I don't believe that we've ever had three teams from
one conference within the top seven at this point in
any year prior. I believe that that's the case, I
would have to go back and and like really dig
into it. But because the Big Ten has taken up
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so many of those spots, if you're gonna have a
year in which somewhere from someone from outside of the
top seven at this point in the year were to
get into the top four, it could be this one
being is as that those three teams are going to
play themselves out, So two of those are gonna be gone.
So let's just paint this scenario. You've got four spots.
Let's just say sake of argument, that we stick with
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what Vegas would predict. So Georgia wins out and let's
just say Ohio State or give it to a one
lost Big ten chance, those are two spots. Okay, we
know that those are gonna go down at least two more.
I believe that if Oregon wins out, they're gonna be
in for sure, and if Cincinnati wins out, they're likely
going to be in. Those would be the other two
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regardless of what happened in the Big twelve, they would
be left out. So I think that the Big twelve champ,
even with one loss, even if both oh You were
to run the table or Oklahoma State were to want
run the table. I believe that they need either Oregon
or Cincinnati or both to lose. If you give Oregon
a loss to Utah and one of the matchups with
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UTAHF you give SIMP Cincinnati a loss, then all of
a sudden, what you see is that the Big twelve
Champ with one loss is going to be pitted up against.
There would be two basically two spots for three teams.
It would be, let's just stake of argument. It would
be like a one loss wake Forest, a one loss
Notre Dame, a one loss Cincinnati, and a one loss
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Big twelve Champ. So there there's your people competing for
that spot. I think that a one lost Big twelve Champ.
And I hate to say that this way started. I'm
sorry very but just based on resume, probably would go
ahead of Notre Dame. Notre Dame is not if you
held Cincinnati, how you can't put Notre Dame in over him,
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you know, correct? Correct? So like Cincinnati would be to
Notre Dame at that point. So then so yes, I
think it's plausible that even Oklahoma at thirteen has a
legitimate although not not totally you know, um, I don't
know what the word I'm looking for here is not
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totally likely, but plausible road to the college football playoff.
It is Get him on Twitter at Joel Clasp Joel Clad.
Fox Sports college football analysts will be on the call.
How about Joel and LaVar sharing their play by play
this week? Man? How about that? How about that? Yeah
a LaVar? Yeah, let me just tell you real quick
(30:54):
between us, because now that we've you know, I'm sure
we've hit the break, so no one's listening. I'm sure.
Let me just tell you what Gus told me one
of the first times I've ever worked with them. So
just to set you up for Sunday, Okay, he says,
He says, I know you played baseball, so here's a
quick analogy. You can hit the singles, I hit the
home run. That's perfect. I was told, I was told
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a pack of wolves, and just know that you're in
the pack. He is alpha. Best friends that anybody ever had.
Best friends. Well, they're sharing Gus Johnson in the play
(31:45):
by play with this weekend. Uh it is LaVar and
Joe Clap. But Joe, we appreciate a man. Let's do
it again next week. We'll be watching and listening tomorrow.
Next Joe. You gotta there. He is Joe Clad, Fox
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(33:12):
I reach for my forty and I'm going to turn
it up soon as we're down with this Keys to
these trucks. Yeah, okay, I believe it, alright. List that
kind of corny, Hey, but you get Friday that you
got that in there. Yeah, I did get football Friday
and there. Yeah, and I drink thirty ounces. I don't
drink forties. Forties is old school. Yeah, I'm new school,
(33:33):
So I drink thirties. Yeah, that's MODELO. I don't know
about thirty ounces. Model Yeah. The twenty twos they call
him Bombers. You get the twenty twos and MODELO. Brady
is not much of a beer drinker, though. I have
Aydelo sitting at my house right now. Don't Yeah, don't
(33:56):
remember Zema's remember those? Yeah, Brady's got that this fridge too.
Those are like the Foo food that was like a
Mike's hard lemonade for Jonas had his first sip of alcohol. Man,
the first time I've had a smearing off ice. I
could feel the enamel on my teeth. Do you remember
the first drink you've ever had? I remember my first
moment with alcohol. Yeah, I do tell me. Miller Lite.
(34:21):
My dad gave us a Miller Lite. We were playing
a pickup basketball game, was my brother and I versus
my two sisters. And afterwards he gave us and made us.
I had to take a sip of his Miller Lite.
It was awful. Mickey's Bird Yeah, Mickey's do you remember
what Mickey's Happy Birthday? Roberto, Wait until the Kinciana Mickey's
(34:55):
straight out of the games. Those aren't even real alcoholic
Mickey's what about you? Do you remember Bud Budweiser? Dad?
My dad gave me a sip of his Bud and
I was like, I don't like this. I was, I was,
I was pretty I want to say, I was like
probably like nine or ten. But I remember being like, yeah,
I don't I don't get why you got yeah not
into it? Yeah, um yeah, yeah, I think it's night.
(35:21):
That was the set up. This was the long set up.
That was amazing, amazing good. I think it was a
Mike's Hard lemonade, And of course I liked it because
it tasted like lemonade. Yeah, and then it all started.
Yeah if my brother was in college and he came
home from college and that was this big time football
(35:44):
star and he was like, you know what's going on, man,
things are going well for you. He's playing basketball at
Slippery or Edinburgh. He's at Edinburgh. We can't walking down
the hallway. I can't walking down the hallway. He's like,
come here, and I walked in. He's like, take a
sip of this. He gave me a sip of peach snop.
Now here's the thing. I didn't take a sip. I
(36:06):
drank it. Oh and I threw up on the floor. Man,
all on the floor. And that was my first experience
with alcohol. Man when Jonas, you never said yours Jonas, Yeah,
I did Miller white man. My dad, my dad would
give me some white. Yeah. That was the first one
I ever had. Parents didn't drink, you know, they were
(36:27):
in the church. Yeah. My dad wasn't a big drinker either,
but he liked mill light from time to time. Um,
you know we like to do from time to Yes, Yes,
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(36:50):
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we are. What are the where where we stand this
week on the O. So this it was a little
bit of a blood bath last week, you guys, Jonas
(37:10):
and Lavarre, you split it with four winds, apiecey Brady,
anything right? Yeah? Alright? Did you even count the DeShawn
Jackson long reception? I mean he he fumbled on that one.
Technically it is a reception. It's just you know, it's
a reception. Yeah, it's reception. It was yard. So we
hit the overall, the only one I got and it
(37:33):
was so close to too. This week, you guys are
gonna look at the highest point total for the week,
That of course is the Cowboys at the Chiefs. It is.
It's fifty six and a half. Oh man, I will say,
I want to say the under I'm going over. The
Chiefs are back, baby, Kansas City's back. I'm gonna take
the over all. Right, you guys, Washington at the Panthers,
(37:59):
Cam New there's back combined rushing and passing touchdowns one
and a half. Oh, I got the over. Yeah, I'll
take the under combined rushing touchdowns. I'm gonna take the over. Yeah,
just do it. Let's do it, Okay, separation, alright, go ahead,
all right. Rogers went over last week and he's got
no Aaron Jones passing touchdowns for Aaron Rodgers two and
(38:22):
a half against the over. Over over, Yeah, I got
that in firstly, all right, Joe Flacco is back. Number
of interceptions against the Dolphins at a half. That's negative.
Jesus um take the over. The Dolphins have some turnovers lately.
I'm gonna see the over too. I think there's gonna
be something coming out of his hand because of that. Yeah,
(38:48):
just because that will take appropriate someone's coming out of
his hand. He can be inappropriate about a toenail, like,
how does this work? We're all gonna be and the
Lions at the Browns. Number of layers LaVar LaVar is
wearing during the broadcast three and a half. LaVar. Go ahead,
you guys go first. I'm saying I think you were three.
(39:09):
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(00:41):
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you all the way out until nine am Eastern times,
six o'clock Pacific right here on Fox Sports Trabels forgot
Yeah football in high school. By the way, do you
think is it official that Matt Ryan's got turf toe?
Because I think I called that the second it half
turf toe. Well, listen, I've had turf toe. Yeah, I
mean it's true. I mean, so if you guys, like
(01:25):
I used to like a good turf toe, it's not fun.
It hurts. I still have problems with it. It hurts.
Didn't doesn't Dione have Like? Isn't that why you're such
a comeback? You what a dirt bag leotay dirt bag.
I didn't you that that that that uh that buzzed
(01:47):
right over my head. You were talking about you were
talking about prompt talking about I was I was talking about,
you know, Matt Ryan's turf toe the second he went down.
I call that, I said on the text message, it's
turf towel, you know. But again, you know, yeah, just
Dr Knox over here just diagnosing this stuff. So you
guys need to Yeah, if you guys need me to
(02:10):
help with any of that stuff, let me know. I
played the game now it works all right? Um So
let me ask you that because little bar you said
that the Green Bay Packers, if you were to re
pick your Super Bowl contender coming out of the NFC,
that the Green Bay Packers will be a correct the
top on the list. Right now, Okay, how the hell
are the Green Bay Packers only like a one point
(02:33):
favorite at Minnesota this weekend? Because it's a divisional rival?
It's a divisional opponent, not quite as big a rival
as Chicago, but it's a big rival, a rival route
between the two, the ways, the familiarity, I get it.
But do we really think that Aaron Rodgers and the
offense is going to struggle like they did last week
this week? I know he's dealing with whatever. His soda
(02:55):
has a pretty pretty decent defense. I mean, they've got
some studs on that team. It's it's just one of
those things where I think it's a safer than sorry approach.
But I'm just being honest. The way they're playing right now,
they're they're imbalance, like they have balanced and the only
team that I should I saw a show balance like that.
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Um well, no one really. I mean maybe Arizona maybe,
Arizona UM, but I don't know where Kyler is with
with his health. Without Kyler, they're not the same team.
So when I look at where we're at right now,
and as it applies to Green Bay, they might be
the most balanced team UM in the NFL. And and
(03:40):
when you're looking at this this matchup, you know, I
don't know why they made it such a small I
don't even know that you called out a spread, um,
but right it's like you gave that's a point. You
gave the point. So so the idea, but to me
is is that you know, they just think that it's
(04:00):
going to be a hard fight game. But Green Bay
is playing at a different level. Aaron Rodgers, even when
he doesn't play well, you know, they they looked at
his stats, you know, the last one he got. You know,
the stats weren't what they should have been for Aaron Rodgers,
he still impacts the game in a way where even
if his stat line isn't crazy, there's something that he
(04:22):
had to do with in that game and game plan
that made it work the way that it did. And
that's what I really like and enjoy about this Green
Bay Packers team right now. It may just be Aaron Jones.
You know, maybe maybe no. Aaron Jones closest thing to
Roger Craig that I've seen in the Running back. If
you've never seen Roger Craig this film, no one has
(04:42):
the knee drive that Roger Craig had. Um. There are
a few that have been nice. Eric Metcalf had real,
real nice gate, real nice drive. But Aaron Aaron Jones
has a similar running style, similar game to Roger Craig,
and I love it. I love watching him play. Like
I don't know why more kids don't have higher knee
(05:03):
drives when they run. And he's out because he's dealing
with the the knee issue. But I just I don't.
To me, I look at last week and to go, well,
you know, Rogers, they looked a little bit rusty. They
looked a little bit you know, out of swords. But
they'll be able to figure that's the point. But just
Bruiser back there too. Yeah, I just I to me,
this seems like Green Bay should roll. But again, there's
(05:25):
like a couple of these every single year. And Brady
and I've talked about this where you see a point
spread come out and it goes that just doesn't make
any sense. And then somebody knows something. Maybe it is division,
maybe maybe that's where we're at. But to me, I
just look at this and I just assume Green Bay
is going to get back on track if they're all
that in the NFC, that's my thought. Yeah, I mean, look,
normal circumstances, the home team gets three points, right, So
(05:48):
what the lines telling you is obviously the betting markets
view Green Bay as the better of the two teams.
That Jones not being their hurts uh, Dalvin Cooks still
playing for the Viking helps as if we've touched on that.
I'm still waiting for something to come out about that.
But look, k Cousins had a good year, like he
always seems to put together these years were He's got
(06:09):
eighteen touchdown past the two interceptions completely over six passes,
like ho hum, just another year. And and oh, by
the way, justin Jefferson maybe a top five wide receiving
the league. That dude is unstoppable. So like, I think
both these teams will have their their big plays. I
think last week, you know, how Aaron looked was a
(06:29):
product of probably rust you know, coming back in there
and credit Seattle to I mean, Seattle played him tough.
So I just I think the question really comes to
me or this game is gonna come down to which
Minnesota Vikings defense shows up. Like if you look at
the first five games of the season versus their last four,
I mean, two completely different football teams they were getting
(06:52):
back to to start this season. What this defense has
typically been under Mike Zimmer with exception of the past
a couple of years, you know, better situation in particular
on third down coverage has been better, a little pressure
has been better at times. There was about a four
or five game skick and after they got started that
that where they kind of found that group, found that rhythm,
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and then they've started to kind of drift back, you know,
and and Baltimore is different animals that kind of that
hurt them. But you know, even last week in a
win versus the Chargers, I just I've got some concerns
that if they earned Rogers that we know shows up,
the Vikings are gonna have a hard time keeping pace.
But I think it would be a great game. I
think this is gonna be the best game of the weekend.
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I also wonder how banged up Rogers really is because
it does. He's listed as questionable, but the assumption is
he's gonna play, But it does. You just want to
And you mentioned the Kyler Murray stuff. I mean Kyler
Murray I think was probably more banged up than they
wanted to lead on to start. Didn't see the way
through his helmet down. It was bet went Listen. I'm
(07:55):
gonna tell you like this. You're taught at an early
age never let your helmet go, never let it go.
So when you see somebody like like a quarterback on
top of that, with that type of like intensity and
they let that helmet go like that, they are in
serious pain. That's serious pain. So to me, that's you know,
(08:20):
I knew right away it was. It wasn't good. And
and and another reason why I knew it wasn't good
is when you got a game as big as that
on the line and you can't you don't have enough
adrenaline to overcome the pain that you have going on.
And it is visibly showing the way that it showed
on him in that game. Once that once that adrenaline
(08:41):
goes away, once that settled it, hey Brady, tell them
about it the next day. The next day, you don't
even realize that how like, how was I even out there?
When you get that type of an injury, it's, uh,
it's weird, man. I mean like the adrenaline that runs
through your body when you mentally prepare for an NFL
(09:04):
game and then how you feel the next day as
like a civilian's completely different things, which, by the way,
we were I was addressed on the civilian thing and
and listen, yeah, I'm a military, I'm a military kid.
I grew up military. I'm I'm from three generations of military.
(09:25):
So when when you try to when you try to
military thump it really it really is is It's not
like it falls on like deaf deaf airs with me.
You gotta understand something. A civilian is somebody who is
normal to uh, the people around him, like everyday living.
So when you say civilian, you actually are you When
(09:48):
you leave a certain culture, no matter what it is,
if you're in law enforcement, if you were, if you
do anything that takes you away from the normal every
day what's going on in regular society and culture, you
are not a regular civilian. Just I just thought I
cleared that up. Somebody somebody got on you because you
said civilian on the air, and and and you know,
(10:10):
the one thing is it's one. It's one thing. It's
like when you get it's like when you thump, Like
I was in the military, Like I get that, Like
I get that. Like if there are two dudes that
would respect the sanctity and and the I reverenced the
importance of what our arm forces and military represents. There's
(10:31):
two of us on here that have like like my
father lost his legs in Vietnam, Like he has no feet, right,
so we'll be joking around. I have no legs, right,
Like my dad really has no legs because he they
were in an ambush in Vietnam. Like my dad was
in live live action, Like he saw some of his
best friends die right in front of him. Like like
(10:51):
I'm we're joking around and talking and smoking cigarettes. In
the next moment, you know, he's he's no longer with us.
So like, you know, I just thought i'd put that
out there. Don't don't you know, don't take take some
of the things we say out of out of context.
We are civilians because we were football players and and
now we're civilians, Like you know, it is what it is.
(11:13):
People are too sensitive. You guys can you guys can
call me whatever you want, call me a slappy hole,
but you call me whatever you want. I mean, you
basically do every day. Figured I give a I give
a understand because sometimes people you know it, I mean,
and it says, Look, by definition, by definition, if you're
(11:36):
not in an armed service or police force, then you're
considered to be a civilian. But just because the literal
term is the literal term, doesn't mean that it doesn't
apply to other aspects of life. So like, just kind
of relax. I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm just saying
relax a little bit, you know, because that's the son
(11:56):
of Chopper, And I'm the son of Michael Team. And
Michael T is a bad man, bro. And if my
daddy say I could say I'm a civilian now, then
I'm gonna say I'm a civilian. Well, what does Michael
T and Chopper think about the Packers MNUS one and
a half, Because I think that Michael, you want to
take the Packers uh winning the game? One? About this one? Really,
(12:19):
I'm saying, I'm really strange every time I've said this
about a NFL game. Look, Atlanta and Dallas last week.
I was like, man, it was that night and a half.
That's a big line for the way Dallas played versus
Denver and what happened. They took out forty three to
three on wasn't even close. And there's always lines like
(12:41):
New Orleans last week. Yeah, that was what I was like,
all Right, I'll take the Saints like they'll they'll cover
this because I don't understand why with Trevor Simeon, the
Titans shouldn't just roll those kids. But that was what
we were like, what happens with the Pittsburgh Lions game?
How does that work? We'll bet on that one? How
does that work? Well, there's there's quite is about Roethlisberger,
(13:01):
whether or not he's going to be cleared from COVID.
What I'm saying last week's game, when when the game
ends in a time that well, if you if you
bet the point spread, yeah, if you've met the point,
if you bet on the money line, which is for
one team to win, it's just a push. You get
your money back. But if you've got the point spread,
yeah you've lost terrible. But listen, uh, you know, it's
(13:21):
just you know, some sports gambling here nothing like it.
It's always always trying to learn. It doesn't I'm trying
to learn as well too. I learned stuff from you
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And because we are a great show and we do
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don't need to have to win when it all we
(13:45):
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That twenty minutes from now, right now, though, always kind
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It is Joel Klatt, Fox Sports College Football Analyst. He
will be on the call in Norman, number thirteen, Oklahoma
hosting Iowa State. That is again the new and eastern
time kickoff on Fox. Joel, what's happening, how's your Friday?
Good morning? What's going on? Um morning? Just getting ready
(15:31):
for this game? And of course there's the rumors out
there about Lincoln Riley and l s U and some
sort of an offer that was made potentially, Joel, if
you were Lincoln Riley or you were advising Lincoln Riley,
would you tell him to stay at Oklahoma or to
maybe kick the tires on an l s U deal.
(15:51):
I would stay at Oklahoma, But you know, I there
there are some that, let's face it, I think you
L s US job more so than I do. I
don't think I think they're both great jobs. But the
first the first element about Oklahoma is that there's there's
(16:11):
a loyalty at Oklahoma that maybe there isn't quite at
l s U. You can be at at at o
U and have a down year here and they're not
not many. I'm not saying that you can, you know,
be David Shaw Stanford, but you can have a down
year here and there. Stoops was eight and four and
(16:31):
five a couple of times and it's okay, you know,
and and and they'll stick with you. He didn't win
a national championship every three years, and and he was
still okay, and that that's gonna be afforded Lincoln Riley,
and they're not going to run him out of town
because he didn't win a national championship. Whereat l s U.
(16:54):
You know, everyone says, no, it's a great job. They've
got resources and recruiting base, and that's absolutely true. They've
got passionate fans, they've got history, they've got everything that
you would want. But they've also got an impatience that
I don't know if it would be attractive if if
I was Lincoln Riley, I can make the same if not,
(17:16):
you know, equal money at Oklahoma. And everyone says, the
last three coaches have won national championships for the Tigers.
That's an amazing stat it makes it makes it a
great destination. And all three of those guys have gotten
fired basically, and you know it's or at least the last.
(17:38):
The last two then run out of town. So from
my seat, I think that the impatience at l s
U makes Oklahoma an easier place to stay if you're
Lincoln Riley. He still relies on Bob as as a mentor.
I think that he understands the the immense break that
he got coming from Carolina. You know, I mean, he's
(18:01):
basically a position coach at Texas. Deck Reverend McNeil takes
him to East Carolina. Um Bob stoops hires him, and
now all of a sudden he's the head coach of
the University of Oklahoma and his mid thirties and and
he's making you know, he can make nine figures here.
I think he should stay. It was a long dissertation
because I think it's a it's a tough question. But
(18:21):
at the same time, I just think that that Oklahoma
is a is a spot that you can stay for
for a longer period of time. It was a great
question and one that we should also acknowledge the fact
that you're in Norman, Oklahoma. So even if you worse
to say that Lincoln Riley should go to l s U,
we probably want to wait till leaked out right. It's fair.
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It's fair that maybe, like maybe I don't think I would.
You know that I'm pretty stubborn, but tomorrow at like
five PM, I might have a different Well, so so
let me just follow up on that question, because you
gave us some great stuff. One of the things that
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was reported not only from that fact that l s
US making this offer potentially to Lincoln Riley that's competitive.
Let's just say with maybe mil Tuckers, was that Oklahoma
is not going to match it. And I can understand
where they're coming from right, because with Lincoln Riley, you're
gonna deal with us every single year, like literally every
single year, you're gonna get a college top program or
(19:23):
NFL top program that comes out and says, we want
to sign Lincoln Riley to be become our next head coach.
So you don't want to have to deal with this
time and time and time again. I guess how much
do you think money will play a factor at some
point in his head? And then also the eventual move
to the SEC anyway, and and I guess and looking
(19:45):
into the future if you can like, yeah, they've been
great being able to win conference championships, but once they
go into the SEC, I think we all would agree.
I wouldn't put them as a top four team right
now in the SEC the way that their teams look.
We'll only have one loss. So how much of it
do you think, well, money will factor in and how
much of it do you think they'll have to look
(20:06):
into the future and say, what ultimately gives me the
best shot to be a successful head coach? Is that
l s U or would it be Oklahoma standput? Yeah,
I mean that's that's a terrific question. I mean, to
be honest, I I don't know how Oklahoma is going
to do in the SEC. To your point, um, now,
you can look at their record against the SEC over
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the course of the last you know, five, six, seven years,
and it's pretty good. Uh, And you could say that
you know they'd likely do well. And I think that
they will do well. But they've hung their hat on
the fact that they've been big twelve champions now for
the basically the last twenty years, and it's been now
for what twenty one years since they actually have won
(20:50):
a national championship. And and as as we're talking about
earlier at l s U, it's it's not just about saying, hey,
we can win the SEC. You better be national championship
caliber if you're going to win the SEC. That's that's
the bottom line. So I think that Oklahoma is gonna
be really competitive there, I really do. And I don't
(21:13):
know exactly how their schedules are gonna work. I've heard
that it's gonna be Pod Systems and they'll be set
up in a pod that I feel like would be
advantageous for them to win. And then it just matters
about the crossover games because it's not like they're gonna
just sit there and play an SEC West schedule because
it's gonna be broken up a little bit different than that. UM.
But having having said that, you know, oh, use identity
(21:36):
now for twenty years has been we run the Big twelve.
I don't think that they're going to have the same
identity like we run the SEC. They're not gonna run
the SEC. That's just not not the case. Having said that,
I think you're going in at probably a decent time
because I don't think Nick Saban's gonna coach for ten
more years, you know, so you're probably gonna get Nick
Saban in his last few years rather than in the
(21:58):
in the meat of this twelve year run that's been
the most successful run in the history of college football
for any program that we've ever seen. Joe, I'm I'm
so deep into this n I L thing and the
development of it and everything that that is taking place.
It is, in my opinion, a wave of mass proportions.
(22:19):
And and the reason why I bring that up and
my preface to the question is looking at what we've
just seen, UM with Oregon and Phil Knight and them
creating this company that helps with n I L and
helps with the taxes and making it seamless. You mentioned
nine figures for for UH for the coaching job, and
(22:42):
and and and just to listen to nine figures, Like
how big of a play is that n I. How
much does this play into these contracts that are going
to be offered, because now you would have to assume
that these donors that you know, the chains are off,
like the the gate is open. Whatever it is that
(23:02):
you can do to create a winning team, you now
have the ability to be able to legally do it
and entice the top players to go to schools that
at maybe some point in time they might have not
even looked at that school. Well, you bring up an
interesting point. I don't think. I think that we have
(23:26):
just seen the tip of the iceberg as far as
the creativeness and I use air quotations creativeness that we're
seeing from from schools, boosters, you know, entities surrounding programs,
and how N I L will be used to make
that destination more attractive. I just I don't know exactly
(23:48):
what it's gonna look like, LaVar. I wish that I did.
I've been such a purist my my whole life, Like
I just loved to play the game, I was a
walk on, you know it. It's like I just love
to run out behind Ralphie. Even when I was playing,
you know, I thought it was amazing we run out
and get the A E A Sports game, we get
(24:09):
nt A football because like we were on it, and
I didn't have that sense that I was being taken
advantage of necessarily until maybe right at the end. But
that's that's clearly changing in this day and age. And
I'm and I'm only saying that because I just have
never really thought of it through this lens of the
(24:29):
N I L. I think that we're headed down a
path in which major boosters are not going to be
in a facilities race, because now everybody has their their
multimillion dollar facilities. We're gonna be in an N I
L race in terms of who can be the most
creative and create the biggest pot of money for everybody
(24:51):
on the team, and how is it going to be distributed? Distributed?
I'm not sure what that looks like, but I think
that that's certainly it's kind of the way that it's going,
and it's going to basically be the exact same arms
race that we've had for the last fifteen years, because
it's not going to be about building barber shops and
(25:11):
you know things like that in your facility with slides
and look at all the bells and whistles. It's going
to be what is your n I L nity? What
can it do for me? And how much money can
I make in the next two or three years. You
can get him on Twitter at Joel Claudy as Joel
clad Fox Sports College football Analysts, joining us here on
Fox Sports Rading. He'll be on the call for Oklahoma
and Iowa State tomorrow new and Eastern time on Fox.
(25:33):
Um Brady made mention of this the Mel Tucker deal.
How surprised were you buy either the length or the
terms reported for the Michigan State head coach. Well, I
think l s U was was very much, you know,
going to come after Mel and and probably actively was
to some extent, and so they needed to pay him
(25:56):
that because that is what he was going to be
offered from an l s U. This is what l
s U was gonna go after. They're gonna take the
biggest swing that they possibly can. If you're looking at
the contracts that are around the top end of college football,
that's what it is, Jim both Fisher nine million bucks.
You know, Nick is right up there, you know, I
think nine and a half and and going north of
ten here in the next couple of years with his escalators.
(26:18):
So that's what ELSU was gonna offer. So, you know,
everyone was shocked about that amount in that length, but
that's basically what what the top end of college football
is going to be, which is what they had to
compete with if they wanted to keep him there. You know,
let's just put it this way. Michigan States not the
type of place that you would take less money to
stay at, like maybe you would at Oklahoma if you
(26:39):
were Lincoln rightly, So they were going to have to
come up to the level that l s U was
talking and that's about what it was. So the ten
years is actually something that I was I was in
my head thinking to myself, what's l s you canna offer?
And I thought to myself, they're probably in the neighborhood
of nine, nine and a half ten million a year,
(27:00):
So you know, ten ten for a hundred could for
anybody that John deal Man get that money. Hey, class,
I want to ask you, just because obviously you're a Norman.
I'll be there shortly for Oklahoma Iowa State, but Big twelve,
and as we look at the bigger picture in college football,
(27:22):
as we head towards the College Football Playoff, I kind
of pose this question last week on our show, and
I'm curious to get your thoughts on it. A one
lost Big twelve champ versus let's just say, a one
lost Pack twelve an undefeated Cincinnati. I think I know
what direction you're you're gonna go. But keep this in mind,
We've never had a team make it in the top
(27:42):
four the College Football Playoff that wasn't within the top
seven this late in the college football rankings. So that
being said, does a Big twelve champ have a chance
with only one loss. Yes, they've got they've got a chance,
But I think some dominoes have to fall their way.
(28:03):
Let me just paint this scenario, and I hope I
don't get to like too much into the weeds now.
The first the first thing that I would say is,
I don't believe that we've ever had three teams from
one conference within the top seven at this point in
any year prior. I believe that that's the case, I
would have to go back and and like really dig
into it. But because the Big Ten has taken up
(28:25):
so many of those spots, if you're gonna have a
year in which somewhere from someone from outside of the
top seven at this point in the year were to
get into the top four, it could be this one
being is as that those three teams are going to
play themselves out, So two of those are gonna be gone.
So let's just paint this scenario. You've got four spots.
Let's just say sake of argument, that we stick with
(28:45):
what Vegas would predict. So Georgia wins out and let's
just say Ohio State or give it to a one
lost Big ten chance, those are two spots. Okay, we
know that those are gonna go down at least two more.
I believe that if Oregon wins out, they're gonna be
in for sure, and if Cincinnati wins out, they're likely
going to be in. Those would be the other two
(29:06):
regardless of what happened in the Big twelve, they would
be left out. So I think that the Big twelve champ,
even with one loss, even if both oh You were
to run the table or Oklahoma State were to want
run the table. I believe that they need either Oregon
or Cincinnati or both to lose. If you give Oregon
a loss to Utah and one of the matchups with
(29:26):
UTAHF you give SIMP Cincinnati a loss, then all of
a sudden, what you see is that the Big twelve
Champ with one loss is going to be pitted up against.
There would be two basically two spots for three teams.
It would be, let's just stake of argument. It would
be like a one loss wake Forest, a one loss
Notre Dame, a one loss Cincinnati, and a one loss
(29:48):
Big twelve Champ. So there there's your people competing for
that spot. I think that a one lost Big twelve Champ.
And I hate to say that this way started. I'm
sorry very but just based on resume, probably would go
ahead of Notre Dame. Notre Dame is not if you
held Cincinnati, how you can't put Notre Dame in over him,
(30:09):
you know, correct? Correct? So like Cincinnati would be to
Notre Dame at that point. So then so yes, I
think it's plausible that even Oklahoma at thirteen has a
legitimate although not not totally you know, um, I don't
know what the word I'm looking for here is not
(30:30):
totally likely, but plausible road to the college football playoff.
It is Get him on Twitter at Joel Clasp Joel Clad.
Fox Sports college football analysts will be on the call.
How about Joel and LaVar sharing their play by play
this week? Man? How about that? How about that? Yeah
a LaVar? Yeah, let me just tell you real quick
(30:54):
between us, because now that we've you know, I'm sure
we've hit the break, so no one's listening. I'm sure.
Let me just tell you what Gus told me one
of the first times I've ever worked with them. So
just to set you up for Sunday, Okay, he says,
He says, I know you played baseball, so here's a
quick analogy. You can hit the singles, I hit the
home run. That's perfect. I was told, I was told
(31:23):
a pack of wolves, and just know that you're in
the pack. He is alpha. Best friends that anybody ever had.
Best friends. Well, they're sharing Gus Johnson in the play
(31:45):
by play with this weekend. Uh it is LaVar and
Joe Clap. But Joe, we appreciate a man. Let's do
it again next week. We'll be watching and listening tomorrow.
Next Joe. You gotta there. He is Joe Clad, Fox
Sports College Football Analyst with us here on fs ARE.
It's two Pros and a Cup of Joe here on
Fox Sports Radio. All right. Coming up next, we're gonna
(32:05):
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Jonas not you here on fs are. Yeah, this is
how we do. It's Friday morning, and we feel all right,
it's a football parties here on a football Friday. So
(33:12):
I reach for my forty and I'm going to turn
it up soon as we're down with this Keys to
these trucks. Yeah, okay, I believe it, alright. List that
kind of corny, Hey, but you get Friday that you
got that in there. Yeah, I did get football Friday
and there. Yeah, and I drink thirty ounces. I don't
drink forties. Forties is old school. Yeah, I'm new school,
(33:33):
So I drink thirties. Yeah, that's MODELO. I don't know
about thirty ounces. Model Yeah. The twenty twos they call
him Bombers. You get the twenty twos and MODELO. Brady
is not much of a beer drinker, though. I have
Aydelo sitting at my house right now. Don't Yeah, don't
(33:56):
remember Zema's remember those? Yeah, Brady's got that this fridge too.
Those are like the Foo food that was like a
Mike's hard lemonade for Jonas had his first sip of alcohol. Man,
the first time I've had a smearing off ice. I
could feel the enamel on my teeth. Do you remember
the first drink you've ever had? I remember my first
moment with alcohol. Yeah, I do tell me. Miller Lite.
(34:21):
My dad gave us a Miller Lite. We were playing
a pickup basketball game, was my brother and I versus
my two sisters. And afterwards he gave us and made us.
I had to take a sip of his Miller Lite.
It was awful. Mickey's Bird Yeah, Mickey's do you remember
what Mickey's Happy Birthday? Roberto, Wait until the Kinciana Mickey's
(34:55):
straight out of the games. Those aren't even real alcoholic
Mickey's what about you? Do you remember Bud Budweiser? Dad?
My dad gave me a sip of his Bud and
I was like, I don't like this. I was, I was,
I was pretty I want to say, I was like
probably like nine or ten. But I remember being like, yeah,
I don't I don't get why you got yeah not
into it? Yeah, um yeah, yeah, I think it's night.
(35:21):
That was the set up. This was the long set up.
That was amazing, amazing good. I think it was a
Mike's Hard lemonade, And of course I liked it because
it tasted like lemonade. Yeah, and then it all started.
Yeah if my brother was in college and he came
home from college and that was this big time football
(35:44):
star and he was like, you know what's going on, man,
things are going well for you. He's playing basketball at
Slippery or Edinburgh. He's at Edinburgh. We can't walking down
the hallway. I can't walking down the hallway. He's like,
come here, and I walked in. He's like, take a
sip of this. He gave me a sip of peach snop.
Now here's the thing. I didn't take a sip. I
(36:06):
drank it. Oh and I threw up on the floor. Man,
all on the floor. And that was my first experience
with alcohol. Man when Jonas, you never said yours Jonas, Yeah,
I did Miller white man. My dad, my dad would
give me some white. Yeah. That was the first one
I ever had. Parents didn't drink, you know, they were
(36:27):
in the church. Yeah. My dad wasn't a big drinker either,
but he liked mill light from time to time. Um,
you know we like to do from time to Yes, Yes,
it's this, Yeah, defeat your degenerate gambling soul, the problem
bet monster. Wait, we're this is over unders and not
(36:50):
the profet monster. We're doing over unders here on Fox
Sports Radio. Listen, LA got everybody drunk and so here
we are. What are the where where we stand this
week on the O. So this it was a little
bit of a blood bath last week, you guys, Jonas
(37:10):
and Lavarre, you split it with four winds, apiecey Brady,
anything right? Yeah? Alright? Did you even count the DeShawn
Jackson long reception? I mean he he fumbled on that one.
Technically it is a reception. It's just you know, it's
a reception. Yeah, it's reception. It was yard. So we
hit the overall, the only one I got and it
(37:33):
was so close to too. This week, you guys are
gonna look at the highest point total for the week,
That of course is the Cowboys at the Chiefs. It is.
It's fifty six and a half. Oh man, I will say,
I want to say the under I'm going over. The
Chiefs are back, baby, Kansas City's back. I'm gonna take
the over all. Right, you guys, Washington at the Panthers,
(37:59):
Cam New there's back combined rushing and passing touchdowns one
and a half. Oh, I got the over. Yeah, I'll
take the under combined rushing touchdowns. I'm gonna take the over. Yeah,
just do it. Let's do it, Okay, separation, alright, go ahead,
all right. Rogers went over last week and he's got
no Aaron Jones passing touchdowns for Aaron Rodgers two and
(38:22):
a half against the over. Over over, Yeah, I got
that in firstly, all right, Joe Flacco is back. Number
of interceptions against the Dolphins at a half. That's negative.
Jesus um take the over. The Dolphins have some turnovers lately.
I'm gonna see the over too. I think there's gonna
be something coming out of his hand because of that. Yeah,
(38:48):
just because that will take appropriate someone's coming out of
his hand. He can be inappropriate about a toenail, like,
how does this work? We're all gonna be and the
Lions at the Browns. Number of layers LaVar LaVar is
wearing during the broadcast three and a half. LaVar. Go ahead,
you guys go first. I'm saying I think you were three.
(39:09):
I'll take the over He's gonna go long John's uh
collared shirt, suit jacket and then a warm coat over that.
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