November 22, 2021 • 36 mins
Monday on 2 Pros and Cup of Joe, Jonas Knox, Brady Quinn and LaVar Arrington recap the Vikings tough win over the Packers. The Bills fail to show up vs Jonathan Taylor and the Colts and the Bears need to move on from Matt Nagy before the end of the year. All that and more on a "Holiday Week!"
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It's the best of two pros and a couple of
joe with lamar Area, Brady Quinn and Jonas knocks on
Fox Sports Radio. It's two pros and a cup of
joe here on fs ARE. It's LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn
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Fox Sports Radio affiliates, and wherever you are making us
a party your Monday morning is Brady Quinn likes to
point out it is a holiday week here on fs ARE,
and we will take you all the way up until
nine am Eastern times, six o'clock Pacific, right here on
Fox Sports Radio. My man, what in this holiday that
we when we all eat way too much, We're supposed
to say we're all thankful for stuff and all that.
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Let's be real, we make it about the meal. We
make it about eating too much and watching football. That's
essentially what the holidays you got. It's passing out to Yeah, yeah,
a good old as well. The good thing is one
of the lives. You've got a good time slop there
to nap. Yeah, it's you know a New Eastern uh well,
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and and they're playing the Bears, who you know, their
super Bowl here to talk about the perfect perfect game,
to talk about napping and beer terms. I mean, are
the Bears hibernating right now? Clearness? And don't even get
me started on that absolute disaster that the Chicago Bears.
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Don't get him started. But you don't don't want to
talk Yeah, yeah, you know, you don't want to get
me going on that. But what we do want to
talk about is the game of the day in the NFL,
the Minnesota Vikings man and and listen, something felt a
little bit fishy about this betting line. The fact that
you know, it was floating around one all week in
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some places the Packers were getting a point and it
just seemed to me like the Green Bay was a
better team. Minnesota has been struggling to be consistent all
year long. And then lo and behold we come out
and Kirk cuts played his ass off justin Jefferson is
a stud, uh And it was a fun one. The
Packers had opportunities, but ultimately it was the Minnesota Vikings
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and Brady's guy, Kirk Cousins who gets it done there
in the one PM Eastern time time slide that we
pointed out a couple of years ago. Mr. O. C. D.
Kirk Cousins. You get him in that early time sliding.
He's a different player, unstoppable at one o'clock UM East
Coast time. Obviously Central will be be a noon kick.
But yeah, I digress. It was a phenomenal game. I
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think you saw Aaron Rodgers, who was helping us through
what was a turf toe injury, Kirk Cousins battling back,
fighting back. You know, at the end of that game, right,
Rogers hits Marquez Valdez scandling to tie it up, and
they really have all the moment up at that point
in time in the game. You know, you could have
easily seen and and the narrative because he could have
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easily been Hey, the Minnesota Vikings defense once again, it's
kind of let Aaron Rodgers and the Packers back in
the door, but instead a little methodical drive down the
field to get a field goal to win it. I
was just you gotta be impressed with Kirk Cousins, you know,
I said earlier, kind of the comparison to Dak Prescott.
But the reality is he still gives his team a
chance and still puts them in a position to win
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some of these football games. Justin Jefferson, I think felt
the need to prove that, hey, I'm one of the
top wide receivers in them in the NFL right now.
He was phenomenal and this has been a Packers defense
that has been pretty salty of late and really has
the ability to match up on the outside. They did
not have an answer for him, or or feeling as
a compliment to him, but that passing attack right now,
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and then obviously if they can run the football the
way they have, which again I keep scratching my head
waiting to see how much longer that's gonna go on for.
But I digress, And look, the Vikings have have always
played the Packers tough in Minnesota, so that I think
that's why that lion was a little bit fishy with
the Vikings being a home dog, but they got the win,
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and it makes think is a little bit more interesting now,
NNES Is Jefferson better than Stefon Diggs right now? No?
I mean because because that was so when they traded
Stefon Diggs, Obviously he wanted a new contract. He's been
he's been better earlier in his career. I'll put it
that way. When Diggs first got there, Diggs wasn't like
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this in his first couple of seasons because they moved
on from Diggs. They traded him away obviously to Buffalo,
and Justin Jefferson was the draft pick of that. You know,
he wanted the contract, wanted an extension. Um. But I
look at it right now and I go, pretty shrewd
move by Minnesota that they hit on that draft pick.
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They filled the position they traded away. I think right
now Jefferson is a better wide receiver than Steffen. When
Diggs left. I mean, it wasn't like they didn't feel
that lost that void when he left. So I mean
it was a shrewd move. Well, I think that's because
I think that's because Kirk Cousins is unvaccinated. I think
that's why I don't know that he's took it. They
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took a step back. I mean, look at it this way.
That season after they got rid of Diggs last year,
I didn't think that the Minnesota Vikens took a step forward. Well,
I'm not talking about the team, I'm talking about what
it meant. I'm saying, like, when you let Diggs go
and you replaced with Jefferson, who had a better season
than Diggs ever had in Minnesota in his rookie year. Yeah, yeah,
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Diggs never caught for fourteen hundred yards ever in his
career in Minnesota. Justin Jefferson did that in fourteen starts. Yeah.
So I'm just debating that. I'm I'm I'm my my
point of you know, I know, but he asked, he
asked if they missed if if he's a better receiver
than Digs. So it's not about the team, it's about
the individual. And that's where I'm like, I don't know,
I think it's a great argument because I think Justin
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Jefferson might be better right now. I mean, he's done
something that Diggs has only done once in his career.
Last year is the only year Diggs has gone over
yards in his career, the only time in his career.
And he's been good for Buffalo. It's not a knock
up on not a knock It's just Jefferson has been better. Yeah,
He's been absolutely fantastic that I mean, maybe statistically, I
don't I don't always get caught up in all the
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stats I mean that, I mean this year so far
two or more yards. Yeah, I mean this year. We
haven't heard a lot from Diggs this year. So if
we're saying right this moment, I can go for that,
but I don't know just overall, I don't. I don't.
I wouldn't put him above Stefon Diggs is a better
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receiver right now if we're saying the stats. I mean,
we could go stats, but I'm just not I'm not
comfortable saying he's a better receiver than Stefon Diggs right now.
I'm just not whether he's getting the looks or the
targets or not. I mean, you can see, guys, you
know the game I just watched yesterday. You know, Jarvis
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is is a hell of a receiver. He's just not
getting targets. You know. It's just not the way the
scheme is is playing out right now. It's just that
he's just not getting involved. They're not developed more targets
than Jefferson at this point, and Jefferson has about two
or fifty more yards. Yeah. I mean, I'm not gonna
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I'm not going to argue production. I just you know,
I'm just not going to out for me I'm not
gonna say he's better right now. He might be better statistically,
but I'm not gonna go with better, better receiver. But
I don't want to get caught up into that. Uh,
let me talk about the game per se al, right,
So when you look at at what took place in
this game, this is what I was looking for. I
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was looking for Green Bay to distance themselves in the
conversation of being the most dominant team in the NFC,
and they didn't do it. They had the chance to
do it, and they didn't do it. And it was
against a divisional opponent that that the only divisional opponent
um in their in their area, uh, the North, that
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you would have been able to say, uh, had had
a chance, an opportunity to contend with them or possibly
beat them. And and so this was an opportunity for
Green Bay to really put a chokehold on their division,
and they didn't. They squandered the opportunity. And to me,
that was the biggest storyline coming out of this game
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was you know, they fought back. I mean, Minnesota jumped
out on them so quickly, but you know, green Bay,
they fought back, they came back, they tied it up
and it looked as though they might have had the
opportunity um where it was going to be them taking
the game. And it just confuses me. Minnesota is a
team that that game yesterday didn't leave me feeling anything
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else other than confused as to what is and who
is Minnesota? What are they like? What are they? Really
can't I can't divine them and uh and I think
that's been sort of the knock on them all year
and over the past couple of years. We talked about that.
Aaron Rodgers not a dent, not feeling und percent dealing
with the toe injury. He spoke about the issue after
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the game. It was in a lot of pain when
in a halftime early to get it checked out, very
very painful, got stepped on in the first half and
that kind of activated all the symptoms I was having.
I'm just gonna have to get to the by and
and uh and I hope I can get some some
healing over the bye week. It's a little bit of
a turf toe there, um, you know, and again I've
had turf toe, Brady. You know, we've talked about this.
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You know, turf toe expert over here, so you know,
I've had it. I mean, you could speak to this
like it's a nagging injury, like anyone who's dealt with
it is like it's one of the most It doesn't
seem like that big of a deal, yet it impacts
like every step you take, anything you're trying to do
physically or you know, if you're working out all that.
It is a crappy thing to have to deal with it.
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It's like you know that for example, Holiday week, right,
we're all we're all gonna go to a family celebration
at some point. I mean, he's serious, and you've got
to deal with someone in your family that annoys you,
that nags you, that you don't want to have to
deal with, but it's the whole days family, so you
put up with it. Like it's kind of like that,
like everyone's gonna experience it this Thanksgiving when you've got
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that annoying uncle or family member someone that I'm not
just said uncle, it's I don't have one like that,
But you've got that your family and your family who
we're talking about, and your well I'm not I'm working
on Thanksgiving, so I'm actually flying out. I won't get
to be with my family. Maybe there's like a coworker
or something. I mean, when you get the point at
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the point very similar to turf to um. Yeah, and
and I just wonder is this gonna be one and
we can talk obviously about you know, the situation in
Seattle with Russell Wilson. Is Aaron Rodgers going to be
at all the rest of the year because this injury
doesn't just get better in a couple of weeks, like
it's gonna it's gonna nag, it's gonna continue on. And
this feels like something he's just gonna have to deal
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with the rest of the season. Yeah, I mean it's
a little different though, to deal with your throwing well, yeah,
I understand, yeah, no, clearly, I mean you're not throwing
with your feet. I understand that. Yeah, time Bakers dealing
with that same type of situation. It's his hell and
he got stepped on yesterday too, So you got you
got something. Every guy he seems like, he seems like
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he's got an injury at every part of his body
is just a broken down man, That's what he is. No,
I'm serious, Like he's got so much crap going on.
He seems like he's like just trying to hold it together.
I'll tell you what, but it's that time of the year.
It's that time of the year of where the either
you know, there's no there's no rest for the weary,
and and you know some teams have buys coming up.
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I mean, great timing. But if you think in a
week's time you can heal the type of wounds that
these dudes have physically on their bodies, the ailments, you're
kidding yourself. So it's kind of like you try to
figure out So funny we had those conversations about uh,
you know, the vaccinations and stuff like that, and people
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paying attention to what they put into their bodies. I mean,
these guys are spending so much money on trying to
figure out how to get their bodies healthy again. And
and it's funny to me because when I played, I
don't know, you could you know, you could say I'm
crazy for this one, Brady, but but I always said,
those guys that that come in that are specialists and
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stuff like that, most of that stuff is mental. Because
for me, I'll tell you what, I tried it a
few times, like, oh, let me get this fruit drip
that's gonna cleanse my my, you know, cleanse my body
of all the impurities and I'm going to just feel
better and hell no, hell no. I thought I felt
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good going into the game, and then I came like
halfway through the game and I was like, wait, hold on, man,
like I feel the same exact way toward all. Man,
let me go get this. Yeah, let's going back, man. Yeah,
stop messing around. I stopped playing around. Man. But I
just don't know. Man. But it's time of the year
where this is where you are in your key. This
is that time of the year where guys are are
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limping around and and asking are they okay after they're
retired for for a few years or a little ways
out because you gotta push through these moments where you
can allow those elements. You don't get the natural amount
of time for your body to heal up from the
beating that you're putting it under. Yeah. I just don't
think anybody can compare or comprehend what you guys feel
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like this time of year. I really, because I thought
about it. I will you know, when you like working
out for the first time after a while, you're sore,
But but it's not. But you guys are dealing with
the fact that you're in car accidents every single Sunday,
every single Sunday. I don't like how how long into
the weekn do you actually feel until you feel better?
I mean, quarterbacks different than I might even speak to
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that because I don't have any room to as a
former quarterback. But I would say the best way, like
folks out there can relate, given that it's a holiday
week is probably the old Friday after they wake up
after eating too much, probably napping a little bit, drinking
too much. Probably how they feel Friday wake it up. Yeah,
a little heavy, little sore, maybe a little hungover. Like
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That's just a glimpse into it, but I think LaVar
would be better to speak to it doubly. All just
the snark, the level of snark from Brady Quinn on
a Monday, and I'm glad you pointed that out. It
is holiday week here, according to Brady, Yes it is.
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
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a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LaVar Errington, and
Jonas Knocks week days at six am Eastern three am
Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app. Brady,
you alluded to a team that doesn't look all that hot,
that maybe possibly was considered a super Bowl contender or
at least one of the favorites to go to a
super Bowl, and Uh, something wrong in Buffalo? What? What? What?
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What's going on with the Buffalo Bills? Who? By the way,
Jonathan Taylor continues to put on epic performance after epic
performance five touchdowns yesterday. Uh, totally dominant, best running back
in the NFL right now by far. I know LaVar
was trying to sell us on Nick Chubb, but Brady
and I were all about Jonathan Taylor. Nick Chub just
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came back. Let's let's pump the brakes there because the
other thing is, like, what was impressive about Taylor yesterday
was Quentin Nelson went down at one point two in
that game, and he's he's been playing banged up, but
I mean they still just kept trucking along. I mean
he's been taking a battle axe to defense. Is right
now with the way he's running the football. Sorry, that's
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a Jonah Knocks quote. I like it. I liked it.
I like the saying, um no, he's he's been awesome,
and I want to me that story is more about
the Bills because it's it felt like you're at home.
They didn't even show up. I mean, they didn't even
show up. This is three of the last five, you know,
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you had to buy and you know, look, you lost
to Jacksonville. That was damning enough. And not saying that
they should have been able to beat the Colts. The
Colts have gotten on a rhythm now with Taylor running
the way is, their defense has continued to improve, kind
of being what we thought they were they would be
at the beginning of the season. My issue is more,
you know, you got blown out and it really wasn't
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close at any point in time in that game. So
I just that's more of my concern. And and this
this is supposed to be a team that, you know,
Josh Allen takes the next next step. He's supposed to
be m VP candidate. He's anything but that right now.
And defensively, that's Sean McDermott's calling card. And you have
a team that drops forty one on you and runs
the football the way they do. I mean, it's not
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like they're you know, you're gonna misconstrue what the Colts
are trying to do right now, They're just trying to
ram it down your throat and you can't figure out
how to stop that. Um. I know it's not just
the coaching staff, it's everyone involved. But I think there's
a big time, big time concern right now out in
the Buffalo Bill's locker room as to what this team
is going to be because you are no longer the
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top of the a f C. East. All right, you
know you're you're your father, remember your Darth Vader like
he's swept in now and he's sitting at top of
the Jill Belichick in that hoodie says say to the
Bills that he's their father. I love it, man, I'll
say this. I am making it about the Colts, and
I do think that this is a fine Colts team
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that just got off to a slow start. I think
there was some confusion. I think they needed to find
themselves and they have and and mind you, by the way,
in that same division that they're in that I said, hey,
they're going to make a run for this division when
it looked as though a team was going to run
away with it. Do you know what the Tennessee Titans
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did yesterday? Do you understand what it is that the
Tennessee Titans, that's the powerhouse. Houston Texans. I think they
deserve a little bit of respect. I mean, that team
is a super Bowl contented that. I just at some
point we needed to just stop disrespecting the potential of
what this Houston Texans team could be because, you know what,
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who has gone through more adversity than the Houston Texans?
But well, yeah, okay, I mean I don't know that
there's is worse than the Texans, I'll be honest with you,
but I mean I really don't. I think that the
Texans have gone through the most out of anyone. But anyway,
the point is is that when you look at this
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this Colts team, they are hitting stride. We continue to always,
you know, drive home the point the football starts in November.
Are you trending up or are you trending down? Are
you finding your stride or are you just trying to
get through and get by? This Colts team is showing
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in November that they are a team to that is
a contender. They're They're not just showing that they're pretty
good and can win games. They're showing that they're contender.
They're playing defense. We knew they had a top rated defense.
They got one of the best middle backers backers in
the game right now. They that in Leonard. They they
have their Robb I'm a big babio guy too. They
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got guys. They have guys on this Coats team. And
and and the biggest question was gonna be ken Ken
Carson Wentz lead the way as the quarterback. Well, when
you got a guy like Jonathan Taylor, you don't have
to shoulder as much pressure as you once thought you
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were going to have to shoulder. And so now with
with that that strong running attack that they have and
that strong defense that they have, you know, the a
f C should be on notice. They really should find Yeah,
there a playoffs and that's that's about it, though maybe
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I don't know. You can run the ball. If you
can run the ball like that, then you then you
have a chance in a f C. Who who what
we have said is a runaway team in the NFC,
I mean the a f C. Excuse me, is it
the Tennessee Titans that just lost to the Texans? Who
is is it the Kansas City Chiefs that doesn't have
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the same offense that they want? And we can say
what we want. It's still the Chiefs in my mind,
you know, there there's still the defending FC champs. There's
still the team that now is is headed that way.
They got Patch Mahomes, they got Andy Reid. That's enough
for me. I don't really need all the run game
or whatever else, because they're, like they've shown three years
now in a row they've been able to do it.
So I don't know. I'm still high on them. I
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just don't. I don't know that head to hit right
now today, the way that Favorite City is playing is
good enough to be the way that the Colts are playing. Yeah,
I just don't think. I don't know. I mean, I'm
not gonna say you're wrong. I'm just I'm just not
going to that you're right. If we if we if
we kept it just to the a f C South, Um,
I mean after yesterday, hey, I mean, if if you're
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the Titans, you gotta be looking around going what the
hell was that? Man? Let mean, I mean, what the
hell was There's a number of things I think, you know,
you have to be asking yourself, like, for example, can
we get Mike vrabel a hat? Can we get anything? Anything?
I mean, he's he's in a downpour and the guy
it looks like someone just sprayed him with a host
I don't think you wanted anything. Can we give him something?
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I mean, my god, I felt bad. It was like
every time, especially the way the game went, You're watching
it and like he's in disbelief, and I'm saying, you know,
as bad as this looks, it looks worse because like
no one's willing to give him the hat. You know,
no one's willing just to give him something to shield
himself from the perpetual rain of the Houston Texans. I okay,
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the Texans just jumped out to a lite and took
a battle axe. That's a good. Now, that is good. Yeah.
I don't know. I don't know if Rabel actually wanted
to hat. I think the game was so bad that
he thought maybe the rain pouring on my face can
distract everybody from the fact that this team without Derrick Henry,
is a shell of what they were. How how they're
what eight had were at eight wins at this point,
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I have no idea. I can't they had they had,
you know, the former leading rusher, best running back and
Derrick Henry. When that gets exposed. Now you know, you're
looking at yourself saying, okay, we don't have that same offense.
All of a sudden, our defense doesn't look as good.
And here we are. We're a team that essentially has
gotten stripped, if all our ability to be able to
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impose the style of football we want to play. I mean,
they just can't do that anymore. And by the way,
in that game, I forget who did it. A J.
Brown got hit. Most wide receivers would have buckled and
started convulsive on the field. He literally kind of just
bounced back up. It wasn't like a big time thing
at all. That dude is one of the tougher wide receivers,
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tougher players in the league. I mean I was. I'm
always impressed by him whenever whatever he's involved in the game,
and then they're passing attack because there is no fear
whatsoever of going across the middle for that dude. Be
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or wherever you get your podcasts. Brady Quinn pointed out,
it is a holiday week here on Fox Sports Trading,
so just want's week. Yeah, I just want to make
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that clear to uh, everybody's Thanksgiving week. Everyone. It's a
holiday week. And just in case you were wondering what
the insight running joke that Jonas is running with uh
during throughout the entire what do you mean, of course,
is this show Jonas doesn't seem to embrace a belief
that me and my young brother, my young old brother
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um embrace, which is it's okay for Turkey time to
also be synonymous with Christmas time, Christmas music, festive music,
holiday music. It's all it's all the same, it's all
a part of this. I call that the turkey hole coach. Hey, coach,
you're gonna be in court soon. Do you gotta knock
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that off? Listen? I mean, you know, if you want
to uh, you know, if if you are a holiday whore,
meaning you like multiple holidays at the same time. And
that's one thing I I personally like to give respect
for respect is due and and Thanksgiving is here and
it is a holiday week. You do know that people
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have fun around the Christmas tree on New Year's Did
you know that? I mean some people do? I mean,
like I you know, I don't know who that seems
like those people. You don't want to hold onto it
a little too long. Sooner or later you gotta move on.
I mean by New Year's I mean that tree should
be out, see you gone. So the festive idea of
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going into a new year should be just that, going
into a new year, turning the page. No no Christmas trees,
no Christmas lights, none of that on, no egg nog.
It's all over. You're watching a bad Bowl games and
you're and you're thinking about what New year'l you're not
going to keep? The Grinch knocks yeh pants, how far
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are you how far is your throng up there? Bro?
Like holy man, Bro, you got oh man a lot
of ways to take that, alright. Um so we so
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that it's a good point. It's like a yo yo
all right. Yeah, um so we could we could have
ourselves a another another coach firing in the NFL, not
named John Gruden, who was a referenced earlier, But they
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were doing a fire naggy chant at Soldier Field yesterday
as the well, you know, because they're a bad football team.
The Chicago Bears are a bad football team. And they
let another one get away yesterday. Um you know, no
Lamar Jackson, but it didn't matter, that's fine. Uh. Tyler
Huntley comes in and he's just dealing, gets him all
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the way down the field. They they end up scoring
to go ahead touchdown, and then the Bears offense can't
figure it out with with little time and no time
out remaining, and so there we are the Bears LuSE
yet again. That's five losses in a row. They're a
bad football team. And so now the fire naggy chance
or are starting to uh light up Soldier Field there,
Brady Quinn. It was only a matter of time. I mean,
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if the thought or idea was, hey, let's let's put
in Justin Fields to buy some time for his job security,
see if we can see some growth from that. Um,
that's all well and good, but the problem is the
offensive game plans haven't been that as such that helped
him truly excel or at least protected him. As he
got knocked out of this game, Andy Dalton had to
come in in relief. So, I mean what we've said
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from day one, the way he's managed this whole situation
I think has been more frustrating for Bears fans than
anything else. Like you spent the draft pick on Fields,
regardless of how you felt about Dalton, and maybe there
was an element of you know, look, we don't feel
like Ston Fields is to the level that Andy Dalton
is processing the game, seeing the game. But you made
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the draft pick, so you've already made that bed. And
it it to me, would have made more sense that
they just would have basically try to prepare Justin Fields
the entire offseason, to give him a shot and let
him go play and then try to make it through.
It probably would have appeased some of the fan base
a little bit, as opposed to being adamant about rolling
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Dalton out there, and then when that didn't work out,
then putting fields out there, and then that really hasn't
created as much of a spark, I think as they
had hoped because they're not a good football team. So
and look, and this is a situation to where they're
battling some injuries, right, Clio Max out for the rest
of the year. Alan Robinson was out for this one,
Andie Jackson was out for this one. Like it, it's
starting to get to the point where you know, there's
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a saying in the NFL you get to kind of
that halfway point the season. You know, teams don't have
any playoff aspirations, and I don't think the Bears, you know,
really do have a a legitimate shot. They start looking
at those vacation destinations. You know, Chicago, you're kind of
in the middle of the country, so you know, maybe
you're feeling like you can go somewhere the Caribbean that
might be closer than Cabo or Hawaii. If you're a
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West Coast team, um usually from the East Coast, you're
thinking out on Bermuda, Jamaica. I want to take you,
I mean literally go through the rest of the cribin
that's what happens this time of year. Let's be real,
like guys starts saying, all right, am I a Pro
Bowl caliber player or not? Okay, otherwise I'm trying to
get through this season healthy. So I'm on the roster
on a team next year? And where am I going
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for vacation after the season. You know, let's take that
a step further in day of a little deeper into
the minds of how some of these coaches are in
those scenarios and cold weather places for some odd reason,
they make you practice outside. Even if you have an
indoor facility, they will make you go outside. And the
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idea of of having comfort and warmth. It's almost like
a coach that's on a losing team and is heading
towards the same fate that's uh. This this coach in
and UH in Chicago is heading for. They want you
to suffer. They want you to suffer with them. You know,
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your your toes are gonna be numb, your your hands
are gonna be numb. You see, guys, come out. I
can recall one year in Washington we were so bad.
I came out. I came out with battery powered socks.
I came out with battery I came out with battery
powered uh mittens and and I had winter Washington football
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team gloves that I wore during the series like that
we were taking like I did not take them off.
It was so cold, and it's like what like you're
looking at each other as team, it's like why are
we out here? And then you're looking at the coaches
like y'all can't coach a lick? Why are you out here?
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And everybody's sitting there looking at each other wondering why
are we out here? And I just can't wait for
this to be over so I can be in Jamaica
or Puerto Rico. You did you forgot the d R Yeah,
you know, it's just like you know, I can't Yeah, yeah,
you know, just one of those. It's a place there,
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don't you know? You over here a puntacana. You know,
you say that on the air, get dumped in now
and the dumpy in Tijuana, you know on the I
Heart radio app in Tijuana, they'll dump you. So you
gotta be careful the way you say that. Land LaVar Um,
look all right, she was made up, so they so
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they are They're on a short week obviously, as Brady mentioned,
it's a holiday week and uh, and the Bears are
gonna be in Detroit to take gone the Lions coming
up on Thursday. If they lose that game, is Matt
Naggy the coach for the Bears? Uh the following week? Okay,
So you think they would make a move in season?
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Why not? Yeah? Why not? Well? I just because there's
some places where they feel like, you know, wait until
after the year. But what would be the advantage that Well,
I'm just saying it's there. I've heard organizations that prefer
not to make a coaching change in season, that they
would rather just do it after the season. What was
what was the operative word there? Yeah? Okay, yeah, no,
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no no bloviating this time. I just so, so you
think that they would just prefer to go ahead and
make a move now and and and what what would
that do? You get? You get? You you allow yourself
the opportunity to be able to talk to potential candidates
and not feel like you're going behind the head coaches
back if the writing is on the wall, and I
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think more so it's gotten to the point where organizations
don't want to have to be back channeling potential candidates.
They want to be able to just openly say, hey,
we we got a new head. We've got a new
head coaching position. Open, would you be interested in the job?
You're a potential candidate for us, And then they start
to figure out that interview process, if and when that
that takes place down the road. But I think even
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at the college level, you're seeing it where more and
more it seems are like, let's just get the clock started.
We don't want to have to go behind people's backs.
You know, that's where things can get a little bit muddy,
especially in the case of like a settlement where you're
firing the guy, but he's coming back and asking for reasons,
for cause or whatever the case may be. I don't
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want to get into the legal ease of it, but
that's what I think the biggest thing is is it
takes the pressure off of those decision makers moving forward
saying we're just looking for our next guy. Everyone the
world knows this job is open. Now let's see what
type type of potential candidates we can get in here.
I wonder what the situation with the GM Ryan Paye.
I wonder I wonder how that impact he does have
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great Yeah, he's just not not a great GM. I
just wonder how does that impact their decision making, Because
if if he's not going to be the guy who's
going to make the call on a coach, I would
assume it's if they're going to clean house. Pace has gone.
Naggi is gone. So if you're gonna get an early
start and an early look at candidates, did they just
make Pace feel like? But then you look at someone
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like Pace, he may get rid of Naggy just for
the simple fact that there's always when these situations take place,
there's always that one coach's name that's in the building
that circulates around that the guys that played for him,
they'll play for him, and they elevate him to head coach,
and then you have an opportunity to prove that it
was the coach, not you that was the problem. So
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if you could get if you could get an inter
room head coach that can come in and actually have success,
then one you get an opportunity to see if that's
someone that you could actually promote to being your head
coach from within, or two you've at least bought yourself
sometime in terms of being a decision maker by saying
what I feel as though I've made the right decisions.
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This guy jacked it up, not me. That's uh, that's
low key. By the way, one of the best things
you can do as a head coach of an NFL
team is if you stack this sounds terrible, if you
stack your coaching rosster with guys who haven't had a
head coaching experience in the past, it may actually benefit
you where they're like, well, we wanted to fire him,
but we didn't feel like there was a candidate to
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be the interim head coach, so we had to We
had to let him be there throughout the rest of
the year. But it is interesting, like if you look
at their coaching staff. Tom Herman's on that staff, who
granted like is not in a position to be a
head coach, but has former head coaching experience. You know,
John d. Filippo's there is their past game coordinator, coordinator,
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quarterbacks coach. Um, he's a guy that I could potentially
see maybe stepping into that role. You know, they're O C.
Bill Laser, maybe you view him as that or Chris Tabor.
There's special teams coordinator. But that's about it. I mean
the rest of it, you'd say, you know, some of
the staff is relatively young. I think some of them,
like Mike Furry, want to be a head coach. But again,
you know, Mike Patton's on that staff. We obviously know
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he's been a head coach before, but he's a senior
defensive assistant. So, you know, do you want to take
a guy who's kind of on the outside completely and
and thrust him into that role where now he's in
front of the team, even though maybe he hasn't been
around the team quite as much. They're so bad. Be
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Fox Sports Radio. My man, what in this holiday that
we when we all eat way too much, We're supposed
to say we're all thankful for stuff and all that.
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Let's be real, we make it about the meal. We
make it about eating too much and watching football. That's
essentially what the holidays you got. It's passing out to Yeah, yeah,
a good old as well. The good thing is one
of the lives. You've got a good time slop there
to nap. Yeah, it's you know a New Eastern uh well,
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and and they're playing the Bears, who you know, their
super Bowl here to talk about the perfect perfect game,
to talk about napping and beer terms. I mean, are
the Bears hibernating right now? Clearness? And don't even get
me started on that absolute disaster that the Chicago Bears.
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Don't get him started. But you don't don't want to
talk Yeah, yeah, you know, you don't want to get
me going on that. But what we do want to
talk about is the game of the day in the NFL,
the Minnesota Vikings man and and listen, something felt a
little bit fishy about this betting line. The fact that
you know, it was floating around one all week in
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some places the Packers were getting a point and it
just seemed to me like the Green Bay was a
better team. Minnesota has been struggling to be consistent all
year long. And then lo and behold we come out
and Kirk cuts played his ass off justin Jefferson is
a stud, uh And it was a fun one. The
Packers had opportunities, but ultimately it was the Minnesota Vikings
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and Brady's guy, Kirk Cousins who gets it done there
in the one PM Eastern time time slide that we
pointed out a couple of years ago. Mr. O. C. D.
Kirk Cousins. You get him in that early time sliding.
He's a different player, unstoppable at one o'clock UM East
Coast time. Obviously Central will be be a noon kick.
But yeah, I digress. It was a phenomenal game. I
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think you saw Aaron Rodgers, who was helping us through
what was a turf toe injury, Kirk Cousins battling back,
fighting back. You know, at the end of that game, right,
Rogers hits Marquez Valdez scandling to tie it up, and
they really have all the moment up at that point
in time in the game. You know, you could have
easily seen and and the narrative because he could have
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easily been Hey, the Minnesota Vikings defense once again, it's
kind of let Aaron Rodgers and the Packers back in
the door, but instead a little methodical drive down the
field to get a field goal to win it. I
was just you gotta be impressed with Kirk Cousins, you know,
I said earlier, kind of the comparison to Dak Prescott.
But the reality is he still gives his team a
chance and still puts them in a position to win
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some of these football games. Justin Jefferson, I think felt
the need to prove that, hey, I'm one of the
top wide receivers in them in the NFL right now.
He was phenomenal and this has been a Packers defense
that has been pretty salty of late and really has
the ability to match up on the outside. They did
not have an answer for him, or or feeling as
a compliment to him, but that passing attack right now,
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and then obviously if they can run the football the
way they have, which again I keep scratching my head
waiting to see how much longer that's gonna go on for.
But I digress, And look, the Vikings have have always
played the Packers tough in Minnesota, so that I think
that's why that lion was a little bit fishy with
the Vikings being a home dog, but they got the win,
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and it makes think is a little bit more interesting now,
NNES Is Jefferson better than Stefon Diggs right now? No?
I mean because because that was so when they traded
Stefon Diggs, Obviously he wanted a new contract. He's been
he's been better earlier in his career. I'll put it
that way. When Diggs first got there, Diggs wasn't like
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this in his first couple of seasons because they moved
on from Diggs. They traded him away obviously to Buffalo,
and Justin Jefferson was the draft pick of that. You know,
he wanted the contract, wanted an extension. Um. But I
look at it right now and I go, pretty shrewd
move by Minnesota that they hit on that draft pick.
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They filled the position they traded away. I think right
now Jefferson is a better wide receiver than Steffen. When
Diggs left. I mean, it wasn't like they didn't feel
that lost that void when he left. So I mean
it was a shrewd move. Well, I think that's because
I think that's because Kirk Cousins is unvaccinated. I think
that's why I don't know that he's took it. They
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took a step back. I mean, look at it this way.
That season after they got rid of Diggs last year,
I didn't think that the Minnesota Vikens took a step forward. Well,
I'm not talking about the team, I'm talking about what
it meant. I'm saying, like, when you let Diggs go
and you replaced with Jefferson, who had a better season
than Diggs ever had in Minnesota in his rookie year. Yeah, yeah,
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Diggs never caught for fourteen hundred yards ever in his
career in Minnesota. Justin Jefferson did that in fourteen starts. Yeah.
So I'm just debating that. I'm I'm I'm my my
point of you know, I know, but he asked, he
asked if they missed if if he's a better receiver
than Digs. So it's not about the team, it's about
the individual. And that's where I'm like, I don't know,
I think it's a great argument because I think Justin
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Jefferson might be better right now. I mean, he's done
something that Diggs has only done once in his career.
Last year is the only year Diggs has gone over
yards in his career, the only time in his career.
And he's been good for Buffalo. It's not a knock
up on not a knock It's just Jefferson has been better. Yeah,
He's been absolutely fantastic that I mean, maybe statistically, I
don't I don't always get caught up in all the
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stats I mean that, I mean this year so far
two or more yards. Yeah, I mean this year. We
haven't heard a lot from Diggs this year. So if
we're saying right this moment, I can go for that,
but I don't know just overall, I don't. I don't.
I wouldn't put him above Stefon Diggs is a better
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receiver right now if we're saying the stats. I mean,
we could go stats, but I'm just not I'm not
comfortable saying he's a better receiver than Stefon Diggs right now.
I'm just not whether he's getting the looks or the
targets or not. I mean, you can see, guys, you
know the game I just watched yesterday. You know, Jarvis
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is is a hell of a receiver. He's just not
getting targets. You know. It's just not the way the
scheme is is playing out right now. It's just that
he's just not getting involved. They're not developed more targets
than Jefferson at this point, and Jefferson has about two
or fifty more yards. Yeah. I mean, I'm not gonna
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I'm not going to argue production. I just you know,
I'm just not going to out for me I'm not
gonna say he's better right now. He might be better statistically,
but I'm not gonna go with better, better receiver. But
I don't want to get caught up into that. Uh,
let me talk about the game per se al, right,
So when you look at at what took place in
this game, this is what I was looking for. I
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was looking for Green Bay to distance themselves in the
conversation of being the most dominant team in the NFC,
and they didn't do it. They had the chance to
do it, and they didn't do it. And it was
against a divisional opponent that that the only divisional opponent
um in their in their area, uh, the North, that
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you would have been able to say, uh, had had
a chance, an opportunity to contend with them or possibly
beat them. And and so this was an opportunity for
Green Bay to really put a chokehold on their division,
and they didn't. They squandered the opportunity. And to me,
that was the biggest storyline coming out of this game
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was you know, they fought back. I mean, Minnesota jumped
out on them so quickly, but you know, green Bay,
they fought back, they came back, they tied it up
and it looked as though they might have had the
opportunity um where it was going to be them taking
the game. And it just confuses me. Minnesota is a
team that that game yesterday didn't leave me feeling anything
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else other than confused as to what is and who
is Minnesota? What are they like? What are they? Really
can't I can't divine them and uh and I think
that's been sort of the knock on them all year
and over the past couple of years. We talked about that.
Aaron Rodgers not a dent, not feeling und percent dealing
with the toe injury. He spoke about the issue after
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the game. It was in a lot of pain when
in a halftime early to get it checked out, very
very painful, got stepped on in the first half and
that kind of activated all the symptoms I was having.
I'm just gonna have to get to the by and
and uh and I hope I can get some some
healing over the bye week. It's a little bit of
a turf toe there, um, you know, and again I've
had turf toe, Brady. You know, we've talked about this.
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You know, turf toe expert over here, so you know,
I've had it. I mean, you could speak to this
like it's a nagging injury, like anyone who's dealt with
it is like it's one of the most It doesn't
seem like that big of a deal, yet it impacts
like every step you take, anything you're trying to do
physically or you know, if you're working out all that.
It is a crappy thing to have to deal with it.
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It's like you know that for example, Holiday week, right,
we're all we're all gonna go to a family celebration
at some point. I mean, he's serious, and you've got
to deal with someone in your family that annoys you,
that nags you, that you don't want to have to
deal with, but it's the whole days family, so you
put up with it. Like it's kind of like that,
like everyone's gonna experience it this Thanksgiving when you've got
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that annoying uncle or family member someone that I'm not
just said uncle, it's I don't have one like that,
But you've got that your family and your family who
we're talking about, and your well I'm not I'm working
on Thanksgiving, so I'm actually flying out. I won't get
to be with my family. Maybe there's like a coworker
or something. I mean, when you get the point at
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the point very similar to turf to um. Yeah, and
and I just wonder is this gonna be one and
we can talk obviously about you know, the situation in
Seattle with Russell Wilson. Is Aaron Rodgers going to be
at all the rest of the year because this injury
doesn't just get better in a couple of weeks, like
it's gonna it's gonna nag, it's gonna continue on. And
this feels like something he's just gonna have to deal
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with the rest of the season. Yeah, I mean it's
a little different though, to deal with your throwing well, yeah,
I understand, yeah, no, clearly, I mean you're not throwing
with your feet. I understand that. Yeah, time Bakers dealing
with that same type of situation. It's his hell and
he got stepped on yesterday too, So you got you
got something. Every guy he seems like, he seems like
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he's got an injury at every part of his body
is just a broken down man, That's what he is. No,
I'm serious, Like he's got so much crap going on.
He seems like he's like just trying to hold it together.
I'll tell you what, but it's that time of the year.
It's that time of the year of where the either
you know, there's no there's no rest for the weary,
and and you know some teams have buys coming up.
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I mean, great timing. But if you think in a
week's time you can heal the type of wounds that
these dudes have physically on their bodies, the ailments, you're
kidding yourself. So it's kind of like you try to
figure out So funny we had those conversations about uh,
you know, the vaccinations and stuff like that, and people
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paying attention to what they put into their bodies. I mean,
these guys are spending so much money on trying to
figure out how to get their bodies healthy again. And
and it's funny to me because when I played, I
don't know, you could you know, you could say I'm
crazy for this one, Brady, but but I always said,
those guys that that come in that are specialists and
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stuff like that, most of that stuff is mental. Because
for me, I'll tell you what, I tried it a
few times, like, oh, let me get this fruit drip
that's gonna cleanse my my, you know, cleanse my body
of all the impurities and I'm going to just feel
better and hell no, hell no. I thought I felt
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good going into the game, and then I came like
halfway through the game and I was like, wait, hold on, man,
like I feel the same exact way toward all. Man,
let me go get this. Yeah, let's going back, man. Yeah,
stop messing around. I stopped playing around. Man. But I
just don't know. Man. But it's time of the year
where this is where you are in your key. This
is that time of the year where guys are are
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limping around and and asking are they okay after they're
retired for for a few years or a little ways
out because you gotta push through these moments where you
can allow those elements. You don't get the natural amount
of time for your body to heal up from the
beating that you're putting it under. Yeah. I just don't
think anybody can compare or comprehend what you guys feel
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like this time of year. I really, because I thought
about it. I will you know, when you like working
out for the first time after a while, you're sore,
But but it's not. But you guys are dealing with
the fact that you're in car accidents every single Sunday,
every single Sunday. I don't like how how long into
the weekn do you actually feel until you feel better?
I mean, quarterbacks different than I might even speak to
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that because I don't have any room to as a
former quarterback. But I would say the best way, like
folks out there can relate, given that it's a holiday
week is probably the old Friday after they wake up
after eating too much, probably napping a little bit, drinking
too much. Probably how they feel Friday wake it up. Yeah,
a little heavy, little sore, maybe a little hungover. Like
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That's just a glimpse into it, but I think LaVar
would be better to speak to it doubly. All just
the snark, the level of snark from Brady Quinn on
a Monday, and I'm glad you pointed that out. It
is holiday week here, according to Brady, Yes it is.
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
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you alluded to a team that doesn't look all that hot,
that maybe possibly was considered a super Bowl contender or
at least one of the favorites to go to a
super Bowl, and Uh, something wrong in Buffalo? What? What? What?
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What's going on with the Buffalo Bills? Who? By the way,
Jonathan Taylor continues to put on epic performance after epic
performance five touchdowns yesterday. Uh, totally dominant, best running back
in the NFL right now by far. I know LaVar
was trying to sell us on Nick Chubb, but Brady
and I were all about Jonathan Taylor. Nick Chub just
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came back. Let's let's pump the brakes there because the
other thing is, like, what was impressive about Taylor yesterday
was Quentin Nelson went down at one point two in
that game, and he's he's been playing banged up, but
I mean they still just kept trucking along. I mean
he's been taking a battle axe to defense. Is right
now with the way he's running the football. Sorry, that's
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a Jonah Knocks quote. I like it. I liked it.
I like the saying, um no, he's he's been awesome,
and I want to me that story is more about
the Bills because it's it felt like you're at home.
They didn't even show up. I mean, they didn't even
show up. This is three of the last five, you know,
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you had to buy and you know, look, you lost
to Jacksonville. That was damning enough. And not saying that
they should have been able to beat the Colts. The
Colts have gotten on a rhythm now with Taylor running
the way is, their defense has continued to improve, kind
of being what we thought they were they would be
at the beginning of the season. My issue is more,
you know, you got blown out and it really wasn't
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close at any point in time in that game. So
I just that's more of my concern. And and this
this is supposed to be a team that, you know,
Josh Allen takes the next next step. He's supposed to
be m VP candidate. He's anything but that right now.
And defensively, that's Sean McDermott's calling card. And you have
a team that drops forty one on you and runs
the football the way they do. I mean, it's not
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like they're you know, you're gonna misconstrue what the Colts
are trying to do right now, They're just trying to
ram it down your throat and you can't figure out
how to stop that. Um. I know it's not just
the coaching staff, it's everyone involved. But I think there's
a big time, big time concern right now out in
the Buffalo Bill's locker room as to what this team
is going to be because you are no longer the
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top of the a f C. East. All right, you
know you're you're your father, remember your Darth Vader like
he's swept in now and he's sitting at top of
the Jill Belichick in that hoodie says say to the
Bills that he's their father. I love it, man, I'll
say this. I am making it about the Colts, and
I do think that this is a fine Colts team
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that just got off to a slow start. I think
there was some confusion. I think they needed to find
themselves and they have and and mind you, by the way,
in that same division that they're in that I said, hey,
they're going to make a run for this division when
it looked as though a team was going to run
away with it. Do you know what the Tennessee Titans
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did yesterday? Do you understand what it is that the
Tennessee Titans, that's the powerhouse. Houston Texans. I think they
deserve a little bit of respect. I mean, that team
is a super Bowl contented that. I just at some
point we needed to just stop disrespecting the potential of
what this Houston Texans team could be because, you know what,
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who has gone through more adversity than the Houston Texans?
But well, yeah, okay, I mean I don't know that
there's is worse than the Texans, I'll be honest with you,
but I mean I really don't. I think that the
Texans have gone through the most out of anyone. But anyway,
the point is is that when you look at this
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this Colts team, they are hitting stride. We continue to always,
you know, drive home the point the football starts in November.
Are you trending up or are you trending down? Are
you finding your stride or are you just trying to
get through and get by? This Colts team is showing
(18:55):
in November that they are a team to that is
a contender. They're They're not just showing that they're pretty
good and can win games. They're showing that they're contender.
They're playing defense. We knew they had a top rated defense.
They got one of the best middle backers backers in
the game right now. They that in Leonard. They they
have their Robb I'm a big babio guy too. They
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got guys. They have guys on this Coats team. And
and and the biggest question was gonna be ken Ken
Carson Wentz lead the way as the quarterback. Well, when
you got a guy like Jonathan Taylor, you don't have
to shoulder as much pressure as you once thought you
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were going to have to shoulder. And so now with
with that that strong running attack that they have and
that strong defense that they have, you know, the a
f C should be on notice. They really should find Yeah,
there a playoffs and that's that's about it, though maybe
(20:03):
I don't know. You can run the ball. If you
can run the ball like that, then you then you
have a chance in a f C. Who who what
we have said is a runaway team in the NFC,
I mean the a f C. Excuse me, is it
the Tennessee Titans that just lost to the Texans? Who
is is it the Kansas City Chiefs that doesn't have
(20:24):
the same offense that they want? And we can say
what we want. It's still the Chiefs in my mind,
you know, there there's still the defending FC champs. There's
still the team that now is is headed that way.
They got Patch Mahomes, they got Andy Reid. That's enough
for me. I don't really need all the run game
or whatever else, because they're, like they've shown three years
now in a row they've been able to do it.
So I don't know. I'm still high on them. I
(20:45):
just don't. I don't know that head to hit right
now today, the way that Favorite City is playing is
good enough to be the way that the Colts are playing. Yeah,
I just don't think. I don't know. I mean, I'm
not gonna say you're wrong. I'm just I'm just not
going to that you're right. If we if we if
we kept it just to the a f C South, Um,
I mean after yesterday, hey, I mean, if if you're
(21:07):
the Titans, you gotta be looking around going what the
hell was that? Man? Let mean, I mean, what the
hell was There's a number of things I think, you know,
you have to be asking yourself, like, for example, can
we get Mike vrabel a hat? Can we get anything? Anything?
I mean, he's he's in a downpour and the guy
it looks like someone just sprayed him with a host
I don't think you wanted anything. Can we give him something?
(21:29):
I mean, my god, I felt bad. It was like
every time, especially the way the game went, You're watching
it and like he's in disbelief, and I'm saying, you know,
as bad as this looks, it looks worse because like
no one's willing to give him the hat. You know,
no one's willing just to give him something to shield
himself from the perpetual rain of the Houston Texans. I okay,
(21:54):
the Texans just jumped out to a lite and took
a battle axe. That's a good. Now, that is good. Yeah.
I don't know. I don't know if Rabel actually wanted
to hat. I think the game was so bad that
he thought maybe the rain pouring on my face can
distract everybody from the fact that this team without Derrick Henry,
is a shell of what they were. How how they're
what eight had were at eight wins at this point,
(22:17):
I have no idea. I can't they had they had,
you know, the former leading rusher, best running back and
Derrick Henry. When that gets exposed. Now you know, you're
looking at yourself saying, okay, we don't have that same offense.
All of a sudden, our defense doesn't look as good.
And here we are. We're a team that essentially has
gotten stripped, if all our ability to be able to
(22:38):
impose the style of football we want to play. I mean,
they just can't do that anymore. And by the way,
in that game, I forget who did it. A J.
Brown got hit. Most wide receivers would have buckled and
started convulsive on the field. He literally kind of just
bounced back up. It wasn't like a big time thing
at all. That dude is one of the tougher wide receivers,
(22:59):
tougher players in the league. I mean I was. I'm
always impressed by him whenever whatever he's involved in the game,
and then they're passing attack because there is no fear
whatsoever of going across the middle for that dude. Be
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or wherever you get your podcasts. Brady Quinn pointed out,
it is a holiday week here on Fox Sports Trading,
so just want's week. Yeah, I just want to make
(24:03):
that clear to uh, everybody's Thanksgiving week. Everyone. It's a
holiday week. And just in case you were wondering what
the insight running joke that Jonas is running with uh
during throughout the entire what do you mean, of course,
is this show Jonas doesn't seem to embrace a belief
that me and my young brother, my young old brother
(24:24):
um embrace, which is it's okay for Turkey time to
also be synonymous with Christmas time, Christmas music, festive music,
holiday music. It's all it's all the same, it's all
a part of this. I call that the turkey hole coach. Hey, coach,
you're gonna be in court soon. Do you gotta knock
(24:45):
that off? Listen? I mean, you know, if you want
to uh, you know, if if you are a holiday whore,
meaning you like multiple holidays at the same time. And
that's one thing I I personally like to give respect
for respect is due and and Thanksgiving is here and
it is a holiday week. You do know that people
(25:05):
have fun around the Christmas tree on New Year's Did
you know that? I mean some people do? I mean,
like I you know, I don't know who that seems
like those people. You don't want to hold onto it
a little too long. Sooner or later you gotta move on.
I mean by New Year's I mean that tree should
be out, see you gone. So the festive idea of
(25:27):
going into a new year should be just that, going
into a new year, turning the page. No no Christmas trees,
no Christmas lights, none of that on, no egg nog.
It's all over. You're watching a bad Bowl games and
you're and you're thinking about what New year'l you're not
going to keep? The Grinch knocks yeh pants, how far
(25:51):
are you how far is your throng up there? Bro?
Like holy man, Bro, you got oh man a lot
of ways to take that, alright. Um so we so
(26:15):
that it's a good point. It's like a yo yo
all right. Yeah, um so we could we could have
ourselves a another another coach firing in the NFL, not
named John Gruden, who was a referenced earlier, But they
(26:35):
were doing a fire naggy chant at Soldier Field yesterday
as the well, you know, because they're a bad football team.
The Chicago Bears are a bad football team. And they
let another one get away yesterday. Um you know, no
Lamar Jackson, but it didn't matter, that's fine. Uh. Tyler
Huntley comes in and he's just dealing, gets him all
(26:57):
the way down the field. They they end up scoring
to go ahead touchdown, and then the Bears offense can't
figure it out with with little time and no time
out remaining, and so there we are the Bears LuSE
yet again. That's five losses in a row. They're a
bad football team. And so now the fire naggy chance
or are starting to uh light up Soldier Field there,
Brady Quinn. It was only a matter of time. I mean,
(27:20):
if the thought or idea was, hey, let's let's put
in Justin Fields to buy some time for his job security,
see if we can see some growth from that. Um,
that's all well and good, but the problem is the
offensive game plans haven't been that as such that helped
him truly excel or at least protected him. As he
got knocked out of this game, Andy Dalton had to
come in in relief. So, I mean what we've said
(27:42):
from day one, the way he's managed this whole situation
I think has been more frustrating for Bears fans than
anything else. Like you spent the draft pick on Fields,
regardless of how you felt about Dalton, and maybe there
was an element of you know, look, we don't feel
like Ston Fields is to the level that Andy Dalton
is processing the game, seeing the game. But you made
(28:06):
the draft pick, so you've already made that bed. And
it it to me, would have made more sense that
they just would have basically try to prepare Justin Fields
the entire offseason, to give him a shot and let
him go play and then try to make it through.
It probably would have appeased some of the fan base
a little bit, as opposed to being adamant about rolling
(28:28):
Dalton out there, and then when that didn't work out,
then putting fields out there, and then that really hasn't
created as much of a spark, I think as they
had hoped because they're not a good football team. So
and look, and this is a situation to where they're
battling some injuries, right, Clio Max out for the rest
of the year. Alan Robinson was out for this one,
Andie Jackson was out for this one. Like it, it's
starting to get to the point where you know, there's
(28:51):
a saying in the NFL you get to kind of
that halfway point the season. You know, teams don't have
any playoff aspirations, and I don't think the Bears, you know,
really do have a a legitimate shot. They start looking
at those vacation destinations. You know, Chicago, you're kind of
in the middle of the country, so you know, maybe
you're feeling like you can go somewhere the Caribbean that
might be closer than Cabo or Hawaii. If you're a
(29:12):
West Coast team, um usually from the East Coast, you're
thinking out on Bermuda, Jamaica. I want to take you,
I mean literally go through the rest of the cribin
that's what happens this time of year. Let's be real,
like guys starts saying, all right, am I a Pro
Bowl caliber player or not? Okay, otherwise I'm trying to
get through this season healthy. So I'm on the roster
on a team next year? And where am I going
(29:33):
for vacation after the season. You know, let's take that
a step further in day of a little deeper into
the minds of how some of these coaches are in
those scenarios and cold weather places for some odd reason,
they make you practice outside. Even if you have an
indoor facility, they will make you go outside. And the
(29:57):
idea of of having comfort and warmth. It's almost like
a coach that's on a losing team and is heading
towards the same fate that's uh. This this coach in
and UH in Chicago is heading for. They want you
to suffer. They want you to suffer with them. You know,
(30:19):
your your toes are gonna be numb, your your hands
are gonna be numb. You see, guys, come out. I
can recall one year in Washington we were so bad.
I came out. I came out with battery powered socks.
I came out with battery I came out with battery
powered uh mittens and and I had winter Washington football
(30:46):
team gloves that I wore during the series like that
we were taking like I did not take them off.
It was so cold, and it's like what like you're
looking at each other as team, it's like why are
we out here? And then you're looking at the coaches
like y'all can't coach a lick? Why are you out here?
(31:09):
And everybody's sitting there looking at each other wondering why
are we out here? And I just can't wait for
this to be over so I can be in Jamaica
or Puerto Rico. You did you forgot the d R Yeah,
you know, it's just like you know, I can't Yeah, yeah,
you know, just one of those. It's a place there,
(31:30):
don't you know? You over here a puntacana. You know,
you say that on the air, get dumped in now
and the dumpy in Tijuana, you know on the I
Heart radio app in Tijuana, they'll dump you. So you
gotta be careful the way you say that. Land LaVar Um,
look all right, she was made up, so they so
(31:52):
they are They're on a short week obviously, as Brady mentioned,
it's a holiday week and uh, and the Bears are
gonna be in Detroit to take gone the Lions coming
up on Thursday. If they lose that game, is Matt
Naggy the coach for the Bears? Uh the following week? Okay,
So you think they would make a move in season?
(32:15):
Why not? Yeah? Why not? Well? I just because there's
some places where they feel like, you know, wait until
after the year. But what would be the advantage that Well,
I'm just saying it's there. I've heard organizations that prefer
not to make a coaching change in season, that they
would rather just do it after the season. What was
what was the operative word there? Yeah? Okay, yeah, no,
(32:38):
no no bloviating this time. I just so, so you
think that they would just prefer to go ahead and
make a move now and and and what what would
that do? You get? You get? You you allow yourself
the opportunity to be able to talk to potential candidates
and not feel like you're going behind the head coaches
back if the writing is on the wall, and I
(32:58):
think more so it's gotten to the point where organizations
don't want to have to be back channeling potential candidates.
They want to be able to just openly say, hey,
we we got a new head. We've got a new
head coaching position. Open, would you be interested in the job?
You're a potential candidate for us, And then they start
to figure out that interview process, if and when that
that takes place down the road. But I think even
(33:20):
at the college level, you're seeing it where more and
more it seems are like, let's just get the clock started.
We don't want to have to go behind people's backs.
You know, that's where things can get a little bit muddy,
especially in the case of like a settlement where you're
firing the guy, but he's coming back and asking for reasons,
for cause or whatever the case may be. I don't
(33:41):
want to get into the legal ease of it, but
that's what I think the biggest thing is is it
takes the pressure off of those decision makers moving forward
saying we're just looking for our next guy. Everyone the
world knows this job is open. Now let's see what
type type of potential candidates we can get in here.
I wonder what the situation with the GM Ryan Paye.
I wonder I wonder how that impact he does have
(34:03):
great Yeah, he's just not not a great GM. I
just wonder how does that impact their decision making, Because
if if he's not going to be the guy who's
going to make the call on a coach, I would
assume it's if they're going to clean house. Pace has gone.
Naggi is gone. So if you're gonna get an early
start and an early look at candidates, did they just
make Pace feel like? But then you look at someone
(34:25):
like Pace, he may get rid of Naggy just for
the simple fact that there's always when these situations take place,
there's always that one coach's name that's in the building
that circulates around that the guys that played for him,
they'll play for him, and they elevate him to head coach,
and then you have an opportunity to prove that it
was the coach, not you that was the problem. So
(34:46):
if you could get if you could get an inter
room head coach that can come in and actually have success,
then one you get an opportunity to see if that's
someone that you could actually promote to being your head
coach from within, or two you've at least bought yourself
sometime in terms of being a decision maker by saying
what I feel as though I've made the right decisions.
(35:09):
This guy jacked it up, not me. That's uh, that's
low key. By the way, one of the best things
you can do as a head coach of an NFL
team is if you stack this sounds terrible, if you
stack your coaching rosster with guys who haven't had a
head coaching experience in the past, it may actually benefit
you where they're like, well, we wanted to fire him,
but we didn't feel like there was a candidate to
(35:30):
be the interim head coach, so we had to We
had to let him be there throughout the rest of
the year. But it is interesting, like if you look
at their coaching staff. Tom Herman's on that staff, who
granted like is not in a position to be a
head coach, but has former head coaching experience. You know,
John d. Filippo's there is their past game coordinator, coordinator,
(35:50):
quarterbacks coach. Um, he's a guy that I could potentially
see maybe stepping into that role. You know, they're O C.
Bill Laser, maybe you view him as that or Chris Tabor.
There's special teams coordinator. But that's about it. I mean
the rest of it, you'd say, you know, some of
the staff is relatively young. I think some of them,
like Mike Furry, want to be a head coach. But again,
you know, Mike Patton's on that staff. We obviously know
(36:12):
he's been a head coach before, but he's a senior
defensive assistant. So, you know, do you want to take
a guy who's kind of on the outside completely and
and thrust him into that role where now he's in
front of the team, even though maybe he hasn't been
around the team quite as much. They're so bad. Be
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