December 7, 2021 • 40 mins
Jonas, LaVar and Brady relive the introductory presser for Marcus Freeman at Notre Dame. The guys debate who deserves credit for the Pats win over the Bills on a windy Monday Night Football but they agree Bill Belichick is delivering his best job yet.
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us a part of your Tuesday morning. We appreciate you
doing so. We're gonna take you all the way up
until nine am Eastern time, six o'clock Pacific, right here
on FS are obviously looking back at the wonderful game,
enjoyable game to watch on Monday night at whatever they
call that stadium. Now it was new Era Field, wasn't
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it Rich Stadium at one point? Now what is it
high mark or hallmark of stadium or whatever? No it's not.
It's not called bill Oh by the way, good luck,
good luck getting one of those on the field last night,
and those wins. I wouldn't have made it, definitely wouldn't have.
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But yeah, but and I need to get to that stadium. Aerodynamically,
that depends on a rocket, That depends on who's throwing it.
Are launching a good point, all right? So oh man,
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I just there's so much to say on that subject.
I've got to get to that stadium before it closes down.
I don't know why. I just have to be there.
You have to. I have to have to. If you
can get drunk twice two different here's why. If you
if you grew up watching football in the nineties, the
Bills were on TV and big time games all the time,
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and and it seems like that stadium hasn't changed, and
so I just want to go back there, just for
nostalgia purposes. I want to go back there before they
tear it down and they do whatever they're gonna do
to try and get this new stadium in. I think
we've got to get back there. Let's do a show
from there. What do you think about that? Come on, hey,
how about that. Let's let's get back there. Let's go
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to RFK World. Joe Robbie, you want to go to
Joe Robbie, Joe Robbie. Let's go to the meadow Lands.
Let's see Jimmy Hoppa is buried. They're like, why, I mean, listen,
let's go. He's playing in a lot of those places. Man, Yeah, listen,
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I mean you know, it just feels like it's very excitable.
Let's go live to lead the lap. Who's got another
one he'd like to throw into the mix here? Insiderly
RFK Oh, Yeah, I mean that's that was the first one.
They said said, Are you not paying attention to the show?
Are you jet legged like still drinking? Are you about
the old Cleveland Municipal stity? Yes, let's go. And that's
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a parking lot now, Jonas Jesus, Okay, sorry about that.
Those three rivers apologiz this is Jonas maybe K two
times RFK there his solot bits RFK from Jonas, RFK
from his home boy. It is that is so mean
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to ain't to somebody who's just you know, working hard,
trying to trying to make it work here in radio
on the weekend. The weird thing is like you have
a radio show on Saturdays, like you already have one,
so and you've got a crew you've worked with for
a while now, even though like this crew is kind
of new to you. Jonas just got this radio show
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that he didn't ask for someone else to work with.
He wanted to be in that solo spot. And the
odd thing is is like I've got all this free
time now we're like I could have been important that
with him. Wasn't even asked. And in fact, what I
inquired about it, they said, No, Jonas wanted to do
the show by himself. I didn't. I didn't want to
have this no, hold on, here's a very important piece
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of this. Here we go, Lee, Are you the producer
of the show, Lee, No, I am not. Well, listen,
I didn't want to have to have this conversation on
the air. I didn't wanna have to have this conversation
on the air. But since since listen, since we're here,
I mean, I'm coming. I hate to break it to you, guys,
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you're not good enough to be on the weekends. Hold on,
you're you're my lead. I yeah, I'm talking. I'm talking
to Brady and Lee. I'm sorry, guys, you're not good
enough to be on the weekends. I don't have to
tell you, all right, Brady, that's all blooded, man, I
don't have to tell you. I was listening to the show,
and you know what I thought. The first thing I
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thought was, Man, why isn't Brady doing the show? He
can't taking on the weekends. He's never done weekend radio before.
How does he know? He's never done weekends here, at
least never done weekends. Honestly, Like, I'm not throwing shade
or anything. I did, honestly think to myself, like, man, like,
you know what it is. It's because Jonas wants to
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have these shows for himself. It's a branding thing and
all that. He's into his own brand. Yeah, alright, let
hold on, hold on, hold on. What's the name of
the show? I mean, what's that's the name of the show.
The name of it the Jonas Knock so mad. He
he was so mad that this show is called two
Pros and a cup of Since we're here with Name
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East every Saturday, I love it seven and nine Pacific
time for those of you in Hawaii right now five
to seven am. And love it my friends on the
blow Torch nine. It was a good listen to you guys.
I mean I listened to you guys. To you man,
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Lee and Lee and Brady aren't good enough to be
on the weekends. I mean that's why they've they've never
done weekend radio before. I really don't take offense to
any of that. You know, Um, how was Notre Dame
Man like, you're still there? Huh No, no, no no, I
came back last night. I literally kid you not. This
is how this whole thing got orchestrated. They asked me
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to do it last week, and I was like, well,
I'll be in Indianapolis so I can drive up. That's
not too hard. But I needed to get back to
do radio here. Yes, I don't want to deal with
the technical issues I was dealing with all yesterday morning.
So I literally got done with our show. I drove
immediately up to South Bend. I got in, had about
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an hour to kind of prepare to be the m
C or or host what if you want to call
it of the introductory press conference, which look for for
people out there who are like, well, hasn't Marcus Freeman
been the head coach Notre Dame now for like five days?
Yes he has. The reality is our president was over
in Rome. He literally was over in Rome while a
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lot of this was going on, yeah, with the Pope,
so they wanted to have a formal introductory press conference
for him, uh and his hiring once are the president
of our university got back, So that played a role
in all of it. Um, But they had asked me
to m C it hosted, which was really really cool
uh and I felt honored to do so. But I
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went up right after our show got there kind of
prepared for a little quick minut. It was more about
kind of going over what they wanted it all to,
how they wanted to operate, and then literally walked off
the stage when change quick got back into my car
to drive back down to the airport. Like it was
like that. I didn't get to spend much time there,
no time for Rizon Roll didn't get I was so upset.
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So I'm so glad you remember that before I'm gonna
send you some of the best donuts you've ever had.
What about me? Yeah? Yeah, well you're on Saturdays, getting
on Saturday. Yeah, my time to shine, you know, you
know shine? Did you guys here, by the way, speaking
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a week Is show? Did you guys hear with Fred's
smooth had to say about RG three? What do you
call Himobby three? Bobby three sticks bad instead of RG three? Right?
The third hitting with Bobby three sticks man? It hadn't
been one of the funniest interviews ever in the history
of interview. Okay, can I ask you because I do
want to ask you more about that, but I want
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to finish this up with Brady just in the Notre
Dame stuff, um, Marcus Freeman, it does feel like genuine excitement,
and it feels different than it's felt in the past
when they've made head coaching hirings. When Brian Kelly went there,
I remember more of people at Cincinnati being pissed about
how he left than I do people being really excited
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about him going to Notre Dame. Is it overcompensating? Is
that where you're getting No, I'm just it does feel different,
and I wonder is that because he's so well liked,
he's such a good recruiter and he's got such a
good reputation, or is this because they feel burned by
the way this was handled by Brian Kelly and now
it's a rallying cry for for the program and they're
gonna build on this from here. I don't think it
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has anything to do with Brian. I mean, they haven't
made this big of a deal about a head coaching
higher even before Brian. I mean, it wasn't like that
for Charlie Weiss, it wasn't like that for High Willingham UM,
And so I think it has more to do with
the times. I think it has more to do with
their excitement about what he brings. I mean, look, he's
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a very very impressive young man. Like I remember the
first time, and I've obviously known Marcus a little bit
because he was an Ohio State guy and um just
through the kind of the football world. But getting a
chance to sit down with him back when Notre Dame
was getting ready to play Wisconsin, I had a chance
to kind of sit there and listen to him and
just talk with him and converse and I'm like, damn, dude,
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this guy sounds like a head coach, Like like right
then and there, I was like, I don't know what
he's gonna do after this year as a defensive coordinator
Notre Dame, but after going from Cincinnati to Notre Dame
and having the success that he had this year, he
was gonna be a head coach, Like he was gonna
have those opportunities this year somewhere else, And I think
very similar to but a little different situation how it
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came about. But you could say Bob Stoops with Linke
and Riley um urban Meyer and Ryan Day, like the
university knew what they had in Marcus and and they
were like, you know, this is the best guy for
our situation for right now. He's just genuine, He connects
with players. Yeah, he's a great recruiter, but he's a
great coach too. I mean, you could see the way
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that defense developed and got better over the course of
the year, and that had a lot to do with
just the way he connects with those young men. So
there's a lot of excitement, and rightfully so, because of
everything he brings. But look, it's are there gonna be
some growing pains. Of course, it's a huge job. No, no,
you know, I don't think it's too big for him.
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I just think he's going to learn over the course
of his time there. I mean, hell, even a fifth
year old head coach who's been even Brian Kelly, as
successful as he was at times, he still had to
learn and go through some tough cycles. You know, he
still had to kind of adapt and change and grow
over that. So regardless of how experienced you are, you know,
you still have to continue to grow and adapt and change.
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And that's gonna be part of it. But look, with
Tommy Reeves coming back, Mike Elston coming back, a lot
of those pieces are kind of back in place for them.
They just have to finish out the rest of the
staff so they can take away some of the pressure
of him having to do that defense a coordinator job
and head coaching job, right Like, it's you wear many
hats when you're the head coach for any college football program,
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let alone Notre Dame. Now it comes down to how
they can diffuse and take off some of those responsibilities
off his plate to let him do what he does
best and let him leave that school. Yeah, it's gonna
be fun to see how that all plays out. But
he didn't, and you didn't did a fine job there?
Were you nervous at all having to talk in front
of Notre Dame like that back on campus? You know
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what's funny about like those situations when you're an m
C or a host for an event, it's all downside,
like it's not about you, it's about it was it's
Marcus's day, it's our athletic director Jack Swarbrooks day, or
or our president uh father Jenkins, like it's all about
them and them speaking like I swear to god, I
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got there and they're like, all right, here's the script
and I said oh. I was like, well this is
what is this kind of the run of show? And
they're like yeah, I go, well, this kind of seems
a little out of order. Why don't we do this?
And they're like, oh um, you know that's not gonna
work trying to make a change in audible this lap.
I was like, yeah, that's fine. I was like, I'm
just let's just let's just go go forward with it
as playing that. I don't care how it looks or
whatever else. So well listen, uh, I mean that you know,
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didn't get Rise and roll in, but tell you did
a fine job. And now Notre Dame be a fun watch.
I'm a big end fan man. You know, Raise Ellers
is one of my I probably told you guys this.
I grew up in the same area as Raise Ellers
and he's one of my one of my heroes growing up.
Ended up being my teammate for a time in Washington,
and I was just a big fan. And then and
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Jerome Bettis was my mentor. We had the same barber.
He used to drive me around. I had some of
my most amazing moments as as a youth um hanging
out with Jerome Bettis. So I was like the most
likable guy bro I've I've been one of I mean,
I've been a big Inde fan. Actually, it was one
of the schools that I thought about going to. Uh
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and um Man uh Irons Irons we came out the
same year and and I'll tell you what, Grant was
one of the coolest dudes. And I actually thought about
like because he played outside backer. Actually was thinking like
maybe I might go to Indeed to be a linebacker
and me and him would be like this the duo
type deal because you know, guys like going to schools
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together and stuff like that. So I'm pulling for I'm pulling.
I've always been a fan because I, like I said,
i think that the class of Notre Dame. I've always said,
like Penn State and Notre Dame have always been really
like cool to this tradition. Yeah, the tradition of it. Also, Yeah,
it's uh now and I've I've always wanted to go
on campus there. I want to see uh And like
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Joe claud even said it last week and we talked
to him in class, like, look, I didn't want to
like Notre Dame like I didn't, and then you went
and visit it and he's like, God, this place is awesome.
Like so it's just one of those places. It would
be a lot of fun to go there. If only
we knew somebody who had some poll they could get
a safe from there, you know, the tough Barnes lavars.
Some people don't like to travel or or they wouldn't
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be able to travel because they have their own shows.
To a good point, right, we could go to Fist,
you know, Double Fist while he's doing the show, and
you know, let's leave that up to the Oh brothers.
Here's all right, I'll make you as a deal. I'll
allow you to listen to my radio show on Saturday
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really really upset in the NFL. They were testy. We'll
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Now Last night to Monday Night Football. Uh, the New
England Patriots get it done fourteen ten the final, just
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the the weather conditions, Belichick doing it again, but the
Buffalo Bills were not all that pleased about it. They
were not all that happy. Um so the Bills afterwards, um.
There was a back and forth in the postgame press conference.
Jordan Poyer, the safety for the Bills, and Micah Hyde,
the bills other safety were asked about the rushing attack
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and if they were embarrassed by their inability to stop
the run. And here's how sounded. What are you doing?
What kind of question is that? I think we think
seven points, we may stops when we had to. They
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had one big run. I mean they got good backs.
They are they kept coming back to a couple of runs.
I mean, I don't know how you wanted to answer
that question. That's funny cool. I do remember that. I
remember that. Yeah, I love it. Not with the questioning
there before. How how would you have handled that? And
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all I mean in all seriousness, all seriousness, depending like
if that was Dallas, if that was Dallas, I would
have I would have probably been a little hot under
the collar. So I can get that they were hot
under the collar because of the magnitude of the you
know the opponent, right, And I probably I probably would
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have laughed at him. And said, all right, we gave up,
we gave up some rushing yards, but they only scored
fourteen points. Guys, like, let's not I would have said.
I would have basically said, let's not get carried away.
If a defense holds a team to under twenty points,
we did our job, I mean, and that's what That's
probably how I would have responded, but I would have
been irritated because we had lost. If I would have
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followed up by saying this to you though that like
basically the other team was one dimensional. They threw three passes.
They weren't even trying to throw it. They just said
we're gonna run the football and you guys aren't gonna
be able to stop it, and that's gonna be enough
for us to win the game in these conditions, which
is essentially what like if I follow up like that,
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is that gonna make you more angry about it? Or
at some point you could be like, yeah, you're right,
Like I've always been kind of crafty with the media, though,
so I'll probably the wrong person because I would have
probably responded with saying, we gotta go back and look
at the film. And they were able to get some
big plays where they needed and we got to figure
out how us as a defense could come up with
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a way to have assisted in winning the game more
than the point. The point total mica I had said
as he was walking out, UM, something along the lines of,
it's about respect. You know, I come here, I do
this every week. I'm always respectful to you guys. I
appreciate what you guys do, but uh, don't ever do
that again. So he was he was bothered by the
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I like it. I like how he handled it. I'm
not gonna say I don't like how you handled it.
The reporter is that Jerry Sullivan. Um, and he you know,
he asked him, are you guys embarrassed? And they, you know,
they were not. I mean, look, it looked bad in
terms of that was the difference in the game. But
but hold on out. But but let me finish. I mean,
they gave up two and twenty yards in rushing. That
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was the difference in the game. But what's the worst
look is you couldn't outdo fourteen points as an offense,
and so you don't want to get in a position
where the one thing that you don't want to do
in those moments is throw your offense under the bus, right,
And if you're the offense and your defense let you down,
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you don't want to throw your defense under the us.
So I like the fact that they did not say listen,
they said we did our job, Like, yes, we gave
up too many Russian yards, that's for certain. But what
you want us to do? Hold them to seven points?
What he wants to do? Hold them to three points
six none? He wanted to set them out. What what
you want us to do? So so to me again,
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if you look at it, yes, you gave up too
many Russian yards, Okay, I get that, But when you
say one dimensional okay, they were a one dimensional offense
that we're able to get it done by running the ball.
But what was our one dimension? Yeah, but they can't
say that, you can't say that. So so the idea
of it is I would say, I would say in
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terms of the way they responded, I like the way
that they responded because if you're giving that that report
or the opportunity to think about what it is that
they asked or what it is that they were going
for for their story, you got to take into consideration
that you put this man in a situation where do
you want him to tell you the full truth, which
he's not gonna do, or are you, like, you know,
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what are you trying to compromise on? What? What are
you trying to do? Can I say this though? They've
scored over thirty points, which is a lot in the NFL,
by the way, like I think as a college standard,
if you score thirty, you should you should win more
often than not. In the NFL, if you're scoring thirty
like that should be a win. There's no doubt about it.
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They played what twelve games at this point, and they've
scored over thirty points. I want to say at least
half the time, maybe more than half. I mean, I
guess what I'm what I'm saying you is I think
their offense has been doing it's part. There are a
top five scoring offense and they are a top five
scoring defense. I just think this is an instance where,
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like you know, as as one dimensional as New England was,
it's a fair question. His response was fine, But there's
some problems, like when a team can do something against
you and you have no way to change audible to
stop it, Like that's a problem. That's not a team
that I think I had a Super Bowl aspirations coming
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into the year, and at this point in the year,
that's not a super Bowl winning team if you can't
figure out how to stop a one dimensional team just
running the football. But the problem with that logic is
then the problem with their offense is much bigger than
the problem with their defense, because you could the other
team's defense. Yeah. But but the reality with a game
like that is, is your defense impacted by that weather? Yes? Yes, okay, okay,
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If that's the logic, if that's the logic you're gonna use,
then is it as impacted as the offense is? And
theories you can't honestly no, you can't honestly say that
because you're in ability football hold on. It's impacted by
the aspect of being able to throw the football versus
running the football. So everybody's defense has impacted more by
the way. It doesn't necessarily, it's a logical thing. Your
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offense has impacted more by weather and special teams, probably
is more so than your defense is. That's just the
reality of it. You know, you're you're not like you
You're not. You might change some of the calls you make,
some of the fronts you run that kind of stuff.
But your job is not impeded as much because of
whether defensively, especially in this case with the wind and
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all of that, as it is offensively. I think everybody
has to deal with the same Again I said earlier,
everybody has to deal with the same conditions. And even
on defense, when you're you're talking about what you have
to prepare for and what you have to do. They
needed to stop the run. So your job as a linebacker,
it's gonna change just as much as a quarterback with
wind and coal conditions like that. Is that what you're
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trying to say, because I I can't agree to that. No,
I'm not trying to say that it changes as much
as a quarterback because of quarterback. So then let me
finish the point that So let me finish the point.
So then if your offensive scheme is gonna change dramatically
or or could change dramatically like New England's did last night,
I don't know that anyone went into that game thing
and they're only gonna throw three pass attempts. We've seen
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Tom Brady and some snowball games air it out and
have big games, but that wasn't the conditions they were
in last night. It was windy as all hell, and
they didn't want to put that all up in the air,
so they didn't and they ran the football. Bill's defense
couldn't stop them. That's the reality of it. Like, if
your your offense is going to be more impacted by
whether than that, then the defense is. And that's the
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problem is if yeah, there might be an issue for
their offense if they can't adjust. They still through the
football thirty times somewhat effective. We talked about some of
the drops, but defensively, like what do the Bills need
to do to change? Well, I mean, the reality is
they couldn't stop to run. You finished or you're done yet?
You finished? You want me? You want me to respond
to that? Sure, yeah, I love the Bill's logical response
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to that should be look at what New England did
to the Bill's offense, Like to your response, looked at
what the Patriots were able to adapt and adjust to
the conditions and keep them to set to two ten points.
So so the idea of saying that there's you know,
there's way more conditions that are going to impact the
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offense more than the defense. They both got to adapting
to adjust. They the offense had to adjust to running
the ball. I mean, if you think about it, the quarterback,
you're you're you're mentioning the quarterback. The quarterback had less duty,
less responsibility because they're handing the ball off there pitching
the ball. Yeah, you have less responsibility. So so and
that you don't have to worry about Matt Chucks. That's
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one less player you have to worry about. So defensively,
you think it'd be easier for Buffalo, right figure, you
would think, But you have to be able to adapt
into adjust to what the offense is doing to you.
And again, I think that that was the brilliance of
the scheme. They weren't able. They were not able to
get a tab on stopping the running attack the way
that they were getting to their running attack. So the
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idea of it is is when you look at what
they were able to do, if we're taking one game
and we're saying there's an issue and there's a problem,
then you got to say there's an issue and a
problem with both sides of the ball because they were
both held to being one dimensional. The defense had to
stop the run. They couldn't stop the run. The offense
needed to run the ball, They couldn't run the ball.
All those things that we talked about that that just
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didn't happen for the Bills. The Patriots were able to
do it to the tune of fourteen points. That's not
very many points. So they were able to adapt well
enough to put enough points on the board to be
able to beat a good Bills team in their own
home stadium. So what I'm saying is there's no reason
to say, Okay, are you guys embarrassed? I think that
that's the operative word there that that should have been
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left out, Like how do you feel about stopping the run?
You guys weren't able to stop the run tonight. I
think that would have been a better line of question
and say were you embarrassed? Like, okay, yeah, they put
up They put up over two hundred yards rushing. You
had a guy who put up a hundred and eleven
yards rushing. That's happened in the NFL. Guys have had
running backs go over a hundred yards rushing in a
in a game. That doesn't mean that your defense isn't
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a top defense, a good defense. They a good outing
to the last three games and and their last two losses.
They've they've given up over two yards rushing. I mean,
it seems like it's a problem, and and and that
could be a critical observation of what their defense needs
to work on. But still with that being said, you
can't condemn a defense that holds a team under twenty points.
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You can't do it in those conditions. I don't think
anyone was was going to score over points. And also
I think at a certain point, did it seem like
New England was even gonna attempt to throw the ball downfield?
Like they didn't? It just they could have played zero
the entire game and loaded up the box to stop
the run, and it didn't seem like they wanted to
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necessarily do it. Could be looking there's also probably you know,
misdirected anger. They're frustrated. Maybe he's not as pissed at
the reporter for asking the question. I mean, everybody thought
Buffalo was going to take over that division, and now
all of a sudden, one defender that you will talk
to that will sit there and say, I understand, we
gave ut too many running rushing yards, but if you're
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telling me four teen points, we should be ashamed of ourselves.
I don't think there's one defender that would sit there
and be like, yep, I'm ashamed in that in that game.
You don't think that they look at what the game
is the game. So even if they were in zero coverage,
even if they were loading up the box, y'all, don't
think that that New England offense is going to adapt
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into adjust to them going into zero coverage like, oh,
they're in zero coverage, they're gonna adapt. I'll put it
this way. If you in my pick between which the
two offenses is the better offense, it'd be Buffalo. And
so I get it. Like, like what you're saying, like
they needed to run the football, they didn't, but that's
also not what they do. They just they haven't been
that team this season. They haven't been a run the
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football type of team. It's just that hasn't been what
they've they've really done or excelled at in my opinion.
Let me ask you this, Brady, at ten points from
your offense, but it's not good enough moving forward? If
you find yourself in a game like this, is that
good enough moving forward? No? But that question doesn't make
any sense because they're not going to receive that the
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same weather conditions every single week moving forward. Understand that,
but then the hold on, hold on, hold on, hold
on if they do have bad weather conditions, which is
very plausible if you're talking about at Buffalo Bills team
that played at home. The weather conditions aren't going to
get better, Brady, They're not going to get better. So
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they're not gonna be that every single week with forty
five wind. Guss like, I'm sorry, but that might be.
It might be, it might be rained. No, it doesn't matter.
But weather conditions are weather conditioned matters, and the cold matters.
All that matters to it, and that's what would change it. Right. So, So,
and here's what I'll say to you is could ten
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points be enough? Yes, because I've played in Buffalo during
windy conditions and cold in a cold weather situation and
r C one six three. So yeah, it can be
enough when you have those sorts of weather conditions. But
in this case ended up not being enough because they
couldn't stop the run. Now again, their offense, look, Dix
could have kind of touchdown pass, Knox could have kind
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of touchdown pass. They had their opportunities their offense to
next you when they needed to. But also this has
become a problem. Like if you if you want to
act like the Bills don't have a problem stopping the
run right now, then you're blind to what we've seen
to in the last three weeks when they've got absolutely trounced.
I don't. I don't think I'm blind to it. I
think I'm being we keep using sensible. I think the
sensible approach to it is if a team holds another
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team to fourteen points in the game, they're often should
give them more to win the game. That's I mean,
I don't I don't think that. I don't think that
will ever change. Like, okay, six the three, Like let's
go into the history and the animals of the game.
How many games are going to end six the three
and and the pros? Okay, again, you're not applying the
fact of the weather and the conditions like you have to.
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You have to understand that's what those games equate to.
Then they're gonna be low scoring games. If you want
to go back to when when the Colt came to town,
right and Jonathan Taylor ran all over them, the weather
wasn't the same conditions, right, That was just two weeks
ago and Jonathan Taylor went for I don't know how
many yards, but they rushed for two or sixty four
yards in that game and they gave up forty one.
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So yeah, you're right, it's gonna change week the week
because the weather is gonna change that conditions are gonna change.
But right now they're gotta prompt stop in the run.
Like Bill's fans know that. I don't need to preach
this to them, and I don't think that's what the
media is asking about because we've seen that now to
of the last three weeks. They can't stop the run
right now, But asking can you stop the run? And
is that embarrassing that they did what they did? Are
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two that's two different lines of questioning, Like can they
improve what they've done giving up over two hundred yards
rushing a hundred yard rusher. I understand that you can
address that. I get that, and that was all they
had in order to be able to run the ball.
But with that being said, that isn't all they have.
Even in those weather conditions. They still completed passes like
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that that passed to the tight end or whatever. There's
still the the idea that there could it be a
pass that takes place. It's not like there's no reason
to make it sound like all they had to do
was stop the run. You're playing against the New England Patriots.
It's not gonna ever be all they need to do.
There's going to always be a wrinkle. There's always gonna
be an adjustment and the adaptation that that team is
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going to make. And if you're not looking at it
in the game plan that way, then I don't know
what to say. But fourteen to ten is the game.
That's what ended. Not Listen, we could talk about the
weather conditions all we want. Everybody had the same weather conditions,
so yes, they could have stopped the run better. But
again to only give up two touchdowns and one was
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a long run. So in the hundred and eleven yards,
one of those runs was seventy one yards I believe
seventy one yards, So you only gave up forty some
more yards thirty some more yards, Okay, so thirty forty
yards more after that, thirty forty some yards more. That's that.
That's just one rush. I mean Stevenson carried the football
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the most. I mean he was he got like what
sixty seventy yards? What what he at? What up? Seventy
seventy eight yards? I'm just saying, I don't know. I
don't buy that, Westen, fully, I don't buy. We're gonna
get to see them again day after Christmas. Buffalo will
be at New England. That'll be a fun one to watch.
We get to see part two of this all right,
it is too un Fox Sports Radio having to the
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the season. Brady Quinn gets it done last night after
that Monday Night game, that classic Monday Night performance, UH,
the over under on Patriot players with the rushing attempt
was set at four and a half seven players with
a rushing attempt for the UH for the New England Patriots, LaVar,
you were correct that there would be a missed kick
in that game. So there was a miss kick in
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that game. Uh and then um, the longest completion of
the game. Uh, you know this is pretty easy. I
went to Josh Allen, so there it is, so congratulations
Brady where I lost the game right there because he
got the double up. Huh yeah, well no, because you
had the had And then you know, once the once
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the weather they started, you know, making the rounds on
social media, people were at the game. They realized I
think somebody even throughout it wouldn't surprise me if they
canceled this game. The hell are you talking about? But
that's a little that's a little much. I mean, you
have to understand Mac Jones is from it went to
the Pools School there in Jacksonville. I don't I don't
think he's ever played in anything close to what he
experienced last night. And that's one of the things like
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when you look at the brilliance of Bill Belichick and
it's him probably looking at Josh McDaniels saying, we're not
even gonna put this kid in that position to win
or lose the game with his arm. Let's just run
the football. Let's get a bunch of different cats to
do it for the most part, and see if we
can't just play, you know, solid defense and and figure
out a way of winning this football game. That that
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win was monument for the Patriots too. It really was
a huge win for them. Yeah, it was. That was
a lot of fun too. Hid it was the best
team in the ANFC. Now, God, I have to say
New England right now. Right see, I'm in my mind,
I'm saying there's three teams. I'm I'm conflicted still about
your team, the Kansas City Chiefs. I'm conflicted about the Ravens.
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But I'm looking at I'm definitely kind of cold on Buffalo.
So it's like, is it is it New England? Like,
what do we think of New England? I'm sitting there thinking,
is somebody gonna catch New England off guard and show
us that New England isn't as good as they are?
And it hasn't happened yet. But do you know if
Buffalo would have won that game last night, and there
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were opportunities to win that game, Tennessee would have been
the one seed. Right now? I like that is I
don't I think Tennessee is done. I think they're going
in the wrong direction. I wouldn't put them in that
conversation the one seed after Week thirteen. Yeah, no, I
I but I look at them and I go, how
how is this team? Like? How's this happening? But that's
what everybody said about Pittsburgh last year, you know, I
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think right now, you gotta ask yourself the question, who's
going to be able to beat Arizona or Green Bay
or Tampa Bay out of the NFC? Right, So the
three teams that come to mind are right now, if
I were going in order and saying the three teams
that I think can do it, I think the first
team that I'm going with out of the a f
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C is I hate to say it, but it's probably
Kansas City the way their defense is playing right now,
and and then second would be I would probably no,
I'll probably say Baltimore, Okay, okay, on, so why do
you just count in New England? Is okay? I think
because I feel the same way, and I think this
is why. And it's taken me probably the last five
(38:08):
weeks to just finally feel this and be willing to
say this publicly. It's because Bill bell Check is just
that great, like this is his greatest coaching job he's
ever done. And it's and it's not because like they
don't have talent. They have talent. You know, we talked
about Matthew Judean. He's been a great edition. H J. C.
Jackson's one of the best cornerbacks. Somebody needs to pay
that man. But like in all reality, all the new
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pieces they brought in into free agency, the draft picks
a rookie quarterback and Mac Jones who they put him
in a position Like they didn't ask him to win
that game last night. They didn't put him in that position.
That's the thing that I feel like we underestimate that
Bill Belichick does better than any coach in NFL history,
is he puts his players in a position where they
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can succeed and they're they're more often than not never
gonna be put in a position to fail. Like he
does that better than anyone else. And I feel like
that's something that doesn't jump off the page to you
or the screen to you. It's just it's something that
kind of flies under the radar. But it's it's a
reason why they're so successful. You know what else goes
along with that, they actually do it. You can tell
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a guy to stay outside and they might let their
eyes play a trick on them and they look inside
and it's just that one step that allows for them
to to miss that that contain right. So it's actually
the fact that he he brings in guys that actually
understand this, do what it is that they they scheme
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up to do, right, because that's really in general a
lot of times that's the hardest thing to do is
to get all eleven guys doing exactly what it is
that You think that's because of his success that that's
part of it too, Like they trust that whatever he
says it's gospel, and if they do what, they're gonna win.
I think that that's part of it. I think that
being able to identify the type of guys who have
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the capacity to do what it is that you're asking
them to do is a part of it too, because
he does it through the draft. To keep to Leib
was saying he was on the Manning cast. But he
said this before in the off season that Bill Belichick
offered him a job and said, I have a position
for you. All I want you to do is cover
tight ends. That was it. He's all just cover tight ends.
And he turned it down. But I don't know that
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any other coach would say, here's a bunch of money,
just all strictly cover tight ends. Yeah,
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us a part of your Tuesday morning. We appreciate you
doing so. We're gonna take you all the way up
until nine am Eastern time, six o'clock Pacific, right here
on FS are obviously looking back at the wonderful game,
enjoyable game to watch on Monday night at whatever they
call that stadium. Now it was new Era Field, wasn't
(01:23):
it Rich Stadium at one point? Now what is it
high mark or hallmark of stadium or whatever? No it's not.
It's not called bill Oh by the way, good luck,
good luck getting one of those on the field last night,
and those wins. I wouldn't have made it, definitely wouldn't have.
(01:44):
But yeah, but and I need to get to that stadium. Aerodynamically,
that depends on a rocket, That depends on who's throwing it.
Are launching a good point, all right? So oh man,
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I just there's so much to say on that subject.
I've got to get to that stadium before it closes down.
I don't know why. I just have to be there.
You have to. I have to have to. If you
can get drunk twice two different here's why. If you
if you grew up watching football in the nineties, the
Bills were on TV and big time games all the time,
(02:31):
and and it seems like that stadium hasn't changed, and
so I just want to go back there, just for
nostalgia purposes. I want to go back there before they
tear it down and they do whatever they're gonna do
to try and get this new stadium in. I think
we've got to get back there. Let's do a show
from there. What do you think about that? Come on, hey,
how about that. Let's let's get back there. Let's go
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to RFK World. Joe Robbie, you want to go to
Joe Robbie, Joe Robbie. Let's go to the meadow Lands.
Let's see Jimmy Hoppa is buried. They're like, why, I mean, listen,
let's go. He's playing in a lot of those places. Man, Yeah, listen,
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I mean you know, it just feels like it's very excitable.
Let's go live to lead the lap. Who's got another
one he'd like to throw into the mix here? Insiderly
RFK Oh, Yeah, I mean that's that was the first one.
They said said, Are you not paying attention to the show?
Are you jet legged like still drinking? Are you about
the old Cleveland Municipal stity? Yes, let's go. And that's
(03:39):
a parking lot now, Jonas Jesus, Okay, sorry about that.
Those three rivers apologiz this is Jonas maybe K two
times RFK there his solot bits RFK from Jonas, RFK
from his home boy. It is that is so mean
(03:59):
to ain't to somebody who's just you know, working hard,
trying to trying to make it work here in radio
on the weekend. The weird thing is like you have
a radio show on Saturdays, like you already have one,
so and you've got a crew you've worked with for
a while now, even though like this crew is kind
of new to you. Jonas just got this radio show
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that he didn't ask for someone else to work with.
He wanted to be in that solo spot. And the
odd thing is is like I've got all this free
time now we're like I could have been important that
with him. Wasn't even asked. And in fact, what I
inquired about it, they said, No, Jonas wanted to do
the show by himself. I didn't. I didn't want to
have this no, hold on, here's a very important piece
(04:41):
of this. Here we go, Lee, Are you the producer
of the show, Lee, No, I am not. Well, listen,
I didn't want to have to have this conversation on
the air. I didn't wanna have to have this conversation
on the air. But since since listen, since we're here,
I mean, I'm coming. I hate to break it to you, guys,
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you're not good enough to be on the weekends. Hold on,
you're you're my lead. I yeah, I'm talking. I'm talking
to Brady and Lee. I'm sorry, guys, you're not good
enough to be on the weekends. I don't have to
tell you, all right, Brady, that's all blooded, man, I
don't have to tell you. I was listening to the show,
and you know what I thought. The first thing I
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thought was, Man, why isn't Brady doing the show? He
can't taking on the weekends. He's never done weekend radio before.
How does he know? He's never done weekends here, at
least never done weekends. Honestly, Like, I'm not throwing shade
or anything. I did, honestly think to myself, like, man, like,
you know what it is. It's because Jonas wants to
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have these shows for himself. It's a branding thing and
all that. He's into his own brand. Yeah, alright, let
hold on, hold on, hold on. What's the name of
the show? I mean, what's that's the name of the show.
The name of it the Jonas Knock so mad. He
he was so mad that this show is called two
Pros and a cup of Since we're here with Name
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East every Saturday, I love it seven and nine Pacific
time for those of you in Hawaii right now five
to seven am. And love it my friends on the
blow Torch nine. It was a good listen to you guys.
I mean I listened to you guys. To you man,
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Lee and Lee and Brady aren't good enough to be
on the weekends. I mean that's why they've they've never
done weekend radio before. I really don't take offense to
any of that. You know, Um, how was Notre Dame
Man like, you're still there? Huh No, no, no no, I
came back last night. I literally kid you not. This
is how this whole thing got orchestrated. They asked me
(06:51):
to do it last week, and I was like, well,
I'll be in Indianapolis so I can drive up. That's
not too hard. But I needed to get back to
do radio here. Yes, I don't want to deal with
the technical issues I was dealing with all yesterday morning.
So I literally got done with our show. I drove
immediately up to South Bend. I got in, had about
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an hour to kind of prepare to be the m
C or or host what if you want to call
it of the introductory press conference, which look for for
people out there who are like, well, hasn't Marcus Freeman
been the head coach Notre Dame now for like five days?
Yes he has. The reality is our president was over
in Rome. He literally was over in Rome while a
(07:34):
lot of this was going on, yeah, with the Pope,
so they wanted to have a formal introductory press conference
for him, uh and his hiring once are the president
of our university got back, So that played a role
in all of it. Um, But they had asked me
to m C it hosted, which was really really cool
uh and I felt honored to do so. But I
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went up right after our show got there kind of
prepared for a little quick minut. It was more about
kind of going over what they wanted it all to,
how they wanted to operate, and then literally walked off
the stage when change quick got back into my car
to drive back down to the airport. Like it was
like that. I didn't get to spend much time there,
no time for Rizon Roll didn't get I was so upset.
(08:19):
So I'm so glad you remember that before I'm gonna
send you some of the best donuts you've ever had.
What about me? Yeah? Yeah, well you're on Saturdays, getting
on Saturday. Yeah, my time to shine, you know, you
know shine? Did you guys here, by the way, speaking
(08:39):
a week Is show? Did you guys hear with Fred's
smooth had to say about RG three? What do you
call Himobby three? Bobby three sticks bad instead of RG three? Right?
The third hitting with Bobby three sticks man? It hadn't
been one of the funniest interviews ever in the history
of interview. Okay, can I ask you because I do
want to ask you more about that, but I want
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to finish this up with Brady just in the Notre
Dame stuff, um, Marcus Freeman, it does feel like genuine excitement,
and it feels different than it's felt in the past
when they've made head coaching hirings. When Brian Kelly went there,
I remember more of people at Cincinnati being pissed about
how he left than I do people being really excited
(09:21):
about him going to Notre Dame. Is it overcompensating? Is
that where you're getting No, I'm just it does feel different,
and I wonder is that because he's so well liked,
he's such a good recruiter and he's got such a
good reputation, or is this because they feel burned by
the way this was handled by Brian Kelly and now
it's a rallying cry for for the program and they're
gonna build on this from here. I don't think it
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has anything to do with Brian. I mean, they haven't
made this big of a deal about a head coaching
higher even before Brian. I mean, it wasn't like that
for Charlie Weiss, it wasn't like that for High Willingham UM,
And so I think it has more to do with
the times. I think it has more to do with
their excitement about what he brings. I mean, look, he's
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a very very impressive young man. Like I remember the
first time, and I've obviously known Marcus a little bit
because he was an Ohio State guy and um just
through the kind of the football world. But getting a
chance to sit down with him back when Notre Dame
was getting ready to play Wisconsin, I had a chance
to kind of sit there and listen to him and
just talk with him and converse and I'm like, damn, dude,
(10:24):
this guy sounds like a head coach, Like like right
then and there, I was like, I don't know what
he's gonna do after this year as a defensive coordinator
Notre Dame, but after going from Cincinnati to Notre Dame
and having the success that he had this year, he
was gonna be a head coach, Like he was gonna
have those opportunities this year somewhere else, And I think
very similar to but a little different situation how it
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came about. But you could say Bob Stoops with Linke
and Riley um urban Meyer and Ryan Day, like the
university knew what they had in Marcus and and they
were like, you know, this is the best guy for
our situation for right now. He's just genuine, He connects
with players. Yeah, he's a great recruiter, but he's a
great coach too. I mean, you could see the way
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that defense developed and got better over the course of
the year, and that had a lot to do with
just the way he connects with those young men. So
there's a lot of excitement, and rightfully so, because of
everything he brings. But look, it's are there gonna be
some growing pains. Of course, it's a huge job. No, no,
you know, I don't think it's too big for him.
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I just think he's going to learn over the course
of his time there. I mean, hell, even a fifth
year old head coach who's been even Brian Kelly, as
successful as he was at times, he still had to
learn and go through some tough cycles. You know, he
still had to kind of adapt and change and grow
over that. So regardless of how experienced you are, you know,
you still have to continue to grow and adapt and change.
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And that's gonna be part of it. But look, with
Tommy Reeves coming back, Mike Elston coming back, a lot
of those pieces are kind of back in place for them.
They just have to finish out the rest of the
staff so they can take away some of the pressure
of him having to do that defense a coordinator job
and head coaching job, right Like, it's you wear many
hats when you're the head coach for any college football program,
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let alone Notre Dame. Now it comes down to how
they can diffuse and take off some of those responsibilities
off his plate to let him do what he does
best and let him leave that school. Yeah, it's gonna
be fun to see how that all plays out. But
he didn't, and you didn't did a fine job there?
Were you nervous at all having to talk in front
of Notre Dame like that back on campus? You know
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what's funny about like those situations when you're an m
C or a host for an event, it's all downside,
like it's not about you, it's about it was it's
Marcus's day, it's our athletic director Jack Swarbrooks day, or
or our president uh father Jenkins, like it's all about
them and them speaking like I swear to god, I
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got there and they're like, all right, here's the script
and I said oh. I was like, well this is
what is this kind of the run of show? And
they're like yeah, I go, well, this kind of seems
a little out of order. Why don't we do this?
And they're like, oh um, you know that's not gonna
work trying to make a change in audible this lap.
I was like, yeah, that's fine. I was like, I'm
just let's just let's just go go forward with it
as playing that. I don't care how it looks or
whatever else. So well listen, uh, I mean that you know,
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didn't get Rise and roll in, but tell you did
a fine job. And now Notre Dame be a fun watch.
I'm a big end fan man. You know, Raise Ellers
is one of my I probably told you guys this.
I grew up in the same area as Raise Ellers
and he's one of my one of my heroes growing up.
Ended up being my teammate for a time in Washington,
and I was just a big fan. And then and
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Jerome Bettis was my mentor. We had the same barber.
He used to drive me around. I had some of
my most amazing moments as as a youth um hanging
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Now Last night to Monday Night Football. Uh, the New
England Patriots get it done fourteen ten the final, just
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the the weather conditions, Belichick doing it again, but the
Buffalo Bills were not all that pleased about it. They
were not all that happy. Um so the Bills afterwards, um.
There was a back and forth in the postgame press conference.
Jordan Poyer, the safety for the Bills, and Micah Hyde,
the bills other safety were asked about the rushing attack
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and if they were embarrassed by their inability to stop
the run. And here's how sounded. What are you doing?
What kind of question is that? I think we think
seven points, we may stops when we had to. They
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had one big run. I mean they got good backs.
They are they kept coming back to a couple of runs.
I mean, I don't know how you wanted to answer
that question. That's funny cool. I do remember that. I
remember that. Yeah, I love it. Not with the questioning
there before. How how would you have handled that? And
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all I mean in all seriousness, all seriousness, depending like
if that was Dallas, if that was Dallas, I would
have I would have probably been a little hot under
the collar. So I can get that they were hot
under the collar because of the magnitude of the you
know the opponent, right, And I probably I probably would
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have laughed at him. And said, all right, we gave up,
we gave up some rushing yards, but they only scored
fourteen points. Guys, like, let's not I would have said.
I would have basically said, let's not get carried away.
If a defense holds a team to under twenty points,
we did our job, I mean, and that's what That's
probably how I would have responded, but I would have
been irritated because we had lost. If I would have
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followed up by saying this to you though that like
basically the other team was one dimensional. They threw three passes.
They weren't even trying to throw it. They just said
we're gonna run the football and you guys aren't gonna
be able to stop it, and that's gonna be enough
for us to win the game in these conditions, which
is essentially what like if I follow up like that,
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is that gonna make you more angry about it? Or
at some point you could be like, yeah, you're right,
Like I've always been kind of crafty with the media, though,
so I'll probably the wrong person because I would have
probably responded with saying, we gotta go back and look
at the film. And they were able to get some
big plays where they needed and we got to figure
out how us as a defense could come up with
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a way to have assisted in winning the game more
than the point. The point total mica I had said
as he was walking out, UM, something along the lines of,
it's about respect. You know, I come here, I do
this every week. I'm always respectful to you guys. I
appreciate what you guys do, but uh, don't ever do
that again. So he was he was bothered by the
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I like it. I like how he handled it. I'm
not gonna say I don't like how you handled it.
The reporter is that Jerry Sullivan. Um, and he you know,
he asked him, are you guys embarrassed? And they, you know,
they were not. I mean, look, it looked bad in
terms of that was the difference in the game. But
but hold on out. But but let me finish. I mean,
they gave up two and twenty yards in rushing. That
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was the difference in the game. But what's the worst
look is you couldn't outdo fourteen points as an offense,
and so you don't want to get in a position
where the one thing that you don't want to do
in those moments is throw your offense under the bus, right,
And if you're the offense and your defense let you down,
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you don't want to throw your defense under the us.
So I like the fact that they did not say listen,
they said we did our job, Like, yes, we gave
up too many Russian yards, that's for certain. But what
you want us to do? Hold them to seven points?
What he wants to do? Hold them to three points
six none? He wanted to set them out. What what
you want us to do? So so to me again,
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if you look at it, yes, you gave up too
many Russian yards, Okay, I get that, But when you
say one dimensional okay, they were a one dimensional offense
that we're able to get it done by running the ball.
But what was our one dimension? Yeah, but they can't
say that, you can't say that. So so the idea
of it is I would say, I would say in
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terms of the way they responded, I like the way
that they responded because if you're giving that that report
or the opportunity to think about what it is that
they asked or what it is that they were going
for for their story, you got to take into consideration
that you put this man in a situation where do
you want him to tell you the full truth, which
he's not gonna do, or are you, like, you know,
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what are you trying to compromise on? What? What are
you trying to do? Can I say this though? They've
scored over thirty points, which is a lot in the NFL,
by the way, like I think as a college standard,
if you score thirty, you should you should win more
often than not. In the NFL, if you're scoring thirty
like that should be a win. There's no doubt about it.
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They played what twelve games at this point, and they've
scored over thirty points. I want to say at least
half the time, maybe more than half. I mean, I
guess what I'm what I'm saying you is I think
their offense has been doing it's part. There are a
top five scoring offense and they are a top five
scoring defense. I just think this is an instance where,
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like you know, as as one dimensional as New England was,
it's a fair question. His response was fine, But there's
some problems, like when a team can do something against
you and you have no way to change audible to
stop it, Like that's a problem. That's not a team
that I think I had a Super Bowl aspirations coming
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into the year, and at this point in the year,
that's not a super Bowl winning team if you can't
figure out how to stop a one dimensional team just
running the football. But the problem with that logic is
then the problem with their offense is much bigger than
the problem with their defense, because you could the other
team's defense. Yeah. But but the reality with a game
like that is, is your defense impacted by that weather? Yes? Yes, okay, okay,
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If that's the logic, if that's the logic you're gonna use,
then is it as impacted as the offense is? And
theories you can't honestly no, you can't honestly say that
because you're in ability football hold on. It's impacted by
the aspect of being able to throw the football versus
running the football. So everybody's defense has impacted more by
the way. It doesn't necessarily, it's a logical thing. Your
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offense has impacted more by weather and special teams, probably
is more so than your defense is. That's just the
reality of it. You know, you're you're not like you
You're not. You might change some of the calls you make,
some of the fronts you run that kind of stuff.
But your job is not impeded as much because of
whether defensively, especially in this case with the wind and
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all of that, as it is offensively. I think everybody
has to deal with the same Again I said earlier,
everybody has to deal with the same conditions. And even
on defense, when you're you're talking about what you have
to prepare for and what you have to do. They
needed to stop the run. So your job as a linebacker,
it's gonna change just as much as a quarterback with
wind and coal conditions like that. Is that what you're
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trying to say, because I I can't agree to that. No,
I'm not trying to say that it changes as much
as a quarterback because of quarterback. So then let me
finish the point that So let me finish the point.
So then if your offensive scheme is gonna change dramatically
or or could change dramatically like New England's did last night,
I don't know that anyone went into that game thing
and they're only gonna throw three pass attempts. We've seen
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Tom Brady and some snowball games air it out and
have big games, but that wasn't the conditions they were
in last night. It was windy as all hell, and
they didn't want to put that all up in the air,
so they didn't and they ran the football. Bill's defense
couldn't stop them. That's the reality of it. Like, if
your your offense is going to be more impacted by
whether than that, then the defense is. And that's the
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problem is if yeah, there might be an issue for
their offense if they can't adjust. They still through the
football thirty times somewhat effective. We talked about some of
the drops, but defensively, like what do the Bills need
to do to change? Well, I mean, the reality is
they couldn't stop to run. You finished or you're done yet?
You finished? You want me? You want me to respond
to that? Sure, yeah, I love the Bill's logical response
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to that should be look at what New England did
to the Bill's offense, Like to your response, looked at
what the Patriots were able to adapt and adjust to
the conditions and keep them to set to two ten points.
So so the idea of saying that there's you know,
there's way more conditions that are going to impact the
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offense more than the defense. They both got to adapting
to adjust. They the offense had to adjust to running
the ball. I mean, if you think about it, the quarterback,
you're you're you're mentioning the quarterback. The quarterback had less duty,
less responsibility because they're handing the ball off there pitching
the ball. Yeah, you have less responsibility. So so and
that you don't have to worry about Matt Chucks. That's
(25:25):
one less player you have to worry about. So defensively,
you think it'd be easier for Buffalo, right figure, you
would think, But you have to be able to adapt
into adjust to what the offense is doing to you.
And again, I think that that was the brilliance of
the scheme. They weren't able. They were not able to
get a tab on stopping the running attack the way
that they were getting to their running attack. So the
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idea of it is is when you look at what
they were able to do, if we're taking one game
and we're saying there's an issue and there's a problem,
then you got to say there's an issue and a
problem with both sides of the ball because they were
both held to being one dimensional. The defense had to
stop the run. They couldn't stop the run. The offense
needed to run the ball, They couldn't run the ball.
All those things that we talked about that that just
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didn't happen for the Bills. The Patriots were able to
do it to the tune of fourteen points. That's not
very many points. So they were able to adapt well
enough to put enough points on the board to be
able to beat a good Bills team in their own
home stadium. So what I'm saying is there's no reason
to say, Okay, are you guys embarrassed? I think that
that's the operative word there that that should have been
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left out, Like how do you feel about stopping the run?
You guys weren't able to stop the run tonight. I
think that would have been a better line of question
and say were you embarrassed? Like, okay, yeah, they put
up They put up over two hundred yards rushing. You
had a guy who put up a hundred and eleven
yards rushing. That's happened in the NFL. Guys have had
running backs go over a hundred yards rushing in a
in a game. That doesn't mean that your defense isn't
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a top defense, a good defense. They a good outing
to the last three games and and their last two losses.
They've they've given up over two yards rushing. I mean,
it seems like it's a problem, and and and that
could be a critical observation of what their defense needs
to work on. But still with that being said, you
can't condemn a defense that holds a team under twenty points.
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You can't do it in those conditions. I don't think
anyone was was going to score over points. And also
I think at a certain point, did it seem like
New England was even gonna attempt to throw the ball downfield?
Like they didn't? It just they could have played zero
the entire game and loaded up the box to stop
the run, and it didn't seem like they wanted to
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necessarily do it. Could be looking there's also probably you know,
misdirected anger. They're frustrated. Maybe he's not as pissed at
the reporter for asking the question. I mean, everybody thought
Buffalo was going to take over that division, and now
all of a sudden, one defender that you will talk
to that will sit there and say, I understand, we
gave ut too many running rushing yards, but if you're
(28:00):
telling me four teen points, we should be ashamed of ourselves.
I don't think there's one defender that would sit there
and be like, yep, I'm ashamed in that in that game.
You don't think that they look at what the game
is the game. So even if they were in zero coverage,
even if they were loading up the box, y'all, don't
think that that New England offense is going to adapt
(28:20):
into adjust to them going into zero coverage like, oh,
they're in zero coverage, they're gonna adapt. I'll put it
this way. If you in my pick between which the
two offenses is the better offense, it'd be Buffalo. And
so I get it. Like, like what you're saying, like
they needed to run the football, they didn't, but that's
also not what they do. They just they haven't been
that team this season. They haven't been a run the
(28:41):
football type of team. It's just that hasn't been what
they've they've really done or excelled at in my opinion.
Let me ask you this, Brady, at ten points from
your offense, but it's not good enough moving forward? If
you find yourself in a game like this, is that
good enough moving forward? No? But that question doesn't make
any sense because they're not going to receive that the
(29:02):
same weather conditions every single week moving forward. Understand that,
but then the hold on, hold on, hold on, hold
on if they do have bad weather conditions, which is
very plausible if you're talking about at Buffalo Bills team
that played at home. The weather conditions aren't going to
get better, Brady, They're not going to get better. So
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they're not gonna be that every single week with forty
five wind. Guss like, I'm sorry, but that might be.
It might be, it might be rained. No, it doesn't matter.
But weather conditions are weather conditioned matters, and the cold matters.
All that matters to it, and that's what would change it. Right. So, So,
and here's what I'll say to you is could ten
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points be enough? Yes, because I've played in Buffalo during
windy conditions and cold in a cold weather situation and
r C one six three. So yeah, it can be
enough when you have those sorts of weather conditions. But
in this case ended up not being enough because they
couldn't stop the run. Now again, their offense, look, Dix
could have kind of touchdown pass, Knox could have kind
(30:07):
of touchdown pass. They had their opportunities their offense to
next you when they needed to. But also this has
become a problem. Like if you if you want to
act like the Bills don't have a problem stopping the
run right now, then you're blind to what we've seen
to in the last three weeks when they've got absolutely trounced.
I don't. I don't think I'm blind to it. I
think I'm being we keep using sensible. I think the
sensible approach to it is if a team holds another
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team to fourteen points in the game, they're often should
give them more to win the game. That's I mean,
I don't I don't think that. I don't think that
will ever change. Like, okay, six the three, Like let's
go into the history and the animals of the game.
How many games are going to end six the three
and and the pros? Okay, again, you're not applying the
fact of the weather and the conditions like you have to.
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You have to understand that's what those games equate to.
Then they're gonna be low scoring games. If you want
to go back to when when the Colt came to town,
right and Jonathan Taylor ran all over them, the weather
wasn't the same conditions, right, That was just two weeks
ago and Jonathan Taylor went for I don't know how
many yards, but they rushed for two or sixty four
yards in that game and they gave up forty one.
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So yeah, you're right, it's gonna change week the week
because the weather is gonna change that conditions are gonna change.
But right now they're gotta prompt stop in the run.
Like Bill's fans know that. I don't need to preach
this to them, and I don't think that's what the
media is asking about because we've seen that now to
of the last three weeks. They can't stop the run
right now, But asking can you stop the run? And
is that embarrassing that they did what they did? Are
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two that's two different lines of questioning, Like can they
improve what they've done giving up over two hundred yards
rushing a hundred yard rusher. I understand that you can
address that. I get that, and that was all they
had in order to be able to run the ball.
But with that being said, that isn't all they have.
Even in those weather conditions. They still completed passes like
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that that passed to the tight end or whatever. There's
still the the idea that there could it be a
pass that takes place. It's not like there's no reason
to make it sound like all they had to do
was stop the run. You're playing against the New England Patriots.
It's not gonna ever be all they need to do.
There's going to always be a wrinkle. There's always gonna
be an adjustment and the adaptation that that team is
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going to make. And if you're not looking at it
in the game plan that way, then I don't know
what to say. But fourteen to ten is the game.
That's what ended. Not Listen, we could talk about the
weather conditions all we want. Everybody had the same weather conditions,
so yes, they could have stopped the run better. But
again to only give up two touchdowns and one was
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a long run. So in the hundred and eleven yards,
one of those runs was seventy one yards I believe
seventy one yards, So you only gave up forty some
more yards thirty some more yards, Okay, so thirty forty
yards more after that, thirty forty some yards more. That's that.
That's just one rush. I mean Stevenson carried the football
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the most. I mean he was he got like what
sixty seventy yards? What what he at? What up? Seventy
seventy eight yards? I'm just saying, I don't know. I
don't buy that, Westen, fully, I don't buy. We're gonna
get to see them again day after Christmas. Buffalo will
be at New England. That'll be a fun one to watch.
We get to see part two of this all right,
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the season. Brady Quinn gets it done last night after
that Monday Night game, that classic Monday Night performance, UH,
the over under on Patriot players with the rushing attempt
was set at four and a half seven players with
a rushing attempt for the UH for the New England Patriots, LaVar,
you were correct that there would be a missed kick
in that game. So there was a miss kick in
(35:13):
that game. Uh and then um, the longest completion of
the game. Uh, you know this is pretty easy. I
went to Josh Allen, so there it is, so congratulations
Brady where I lost the game right there because he
got the double up. Huh yeah, well no, because you
had the had And then you know, once the once
(35:34):
the weather they started, you know, making the rounds on
social media, people were at the game. They realized I
think somebody even throughout it wouldn't surprise me if they
canceled this game. The hell are you talking about? But
that's a little that's a little much. I mean, you
have to understand Mac Jones is from it went to
the Pools School there in Jacksonville. I don't I don't
think he's ever played in anything close to what he
experienced last night. And that's one of the things like
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when you look at the brilliance of Bill Belichick and
it's him probably looking at Josh McDaniels saying, we're not
even gonna put this kid in that position to win
or lose the game with his arm. Let's just run
the football. Let's get a bunch of different cats to
do it for the most part, and see if we
can't just play, you know, solid defense and and figure
out a way of winning this football game. That that
(36:18):
win was monument for the Patriots too. It really was
a huge win for them. Yeah, it was. That was
a lot of fun too. Hid it was the best
team in the ANFC. Now, God, I have to say
New England right now. Right see, I'm in my mind,
I'm saying there's three teams. I'm I'm conflicted still about
your team, the Kansas City Chiefs. I'm conflicted about the Ravens.
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But I'm looking at I'm definitely kind of cold on Buffalo.
So it's like, is it is it New England? Like,
what do we think of New England? I'm sitting there thinking,
is somebody gonna catch New England off guard and show
us that New England isn't as good as they are?
And it hasn't happened yet. But do you know if
Buffalo would have won that game last night, and there
(37:02):
were opportunities to win that game, Tennessee would have been
the one seed. Right now? I like that is I
don't I think Tennessee is done. I think they're going
in the wrong direction. I wouldn't put them in that
conversation the one seed after Week thirteen. Yeah, no, I
I but I look at them and I go, how
how is this team? Like? How's this happening? But that's
what everybody said about Pittsburgh last year, you know, I
(37:24):
think right now, you gotta ask yourself the question, who's
going to be able to beat Arizona or Green Bay
or Tampa Bay out of the NFC? Right, So the
three teams that come to mind are right now, if
I were going in order and saying the three teams
that I think can do it, I think the first
team that I'm going with out of the a f
(37:46):
C is I hate to say it, but it's probably
Kansas City the way their defense is playing right now,
and and then second would be I would probably no,
I'll probably say Baltimore, Okay, okay, on, so why do
you just count in New England? Is okay? I think
because I feel the same way, and I think this
is why. And it's taken me probably the last five
(38:08):
weeks to just finally feel this and be willing to
say this publicly. It's because Bill bell Check is just
that great, like this is his greatest coaching job he's
ever done. And it's and it's not because like they
don't have talent. They have talent. You know, we talked
about Matthew Judean. He's been a great edition. H J. C.
Jackson's one of the best cornerbacks. Somebody needs to pay
that man. But like in all reality, all the new
(38:31):
pieces they brought in into free agency, the draft picks
a rookie quarterback and Mac Jones who they put him
in a position Like they didn't ask him to win
that game last night. They didn't put him in that position.
That's the thing that I feel like we underestimate that
Bill Belichick does better than any coach in NFL history,
is he puts his players in a position where they
(38:54):
can succeed and they're they're more often than not never
gonna be put in a position to fail. Like he
does that better than anyone else. And I feel like
that's something that doesn't jump off the page to you
or the screen to you. It's just it's something that
kind of flies under the radar. But it's it's a
reason why they're so successful. You know what else goes
along with that, they actually do it. You can tell
(39:16):
a guy to stay outside and they might let their
eyes play a trick on them and they look inside
and it's just that one step that allows for them
to to miss that that contain right. So it's actually
the fact that he he brings in guys that actually
understand this, do what it is that they they scheme
(39:39):
up to do, right, because that's really in general a
lot of times that's the hardest thing to do is
to get all eleven guys doing exactly what it is
that You think that's because of his success that that's
part of it too, Like they trust that whatever he
says it's gospel, and if they do what, they're gonna win.
I think that that's part of it. I think that
being able to identify the type of guys who have
(40:00):
the capacity to do what it is that you're asking
them to do is a part of it too, because
he does it through the draft. To keep to Leib
was saying he was on the Manning cast. But he
said this before in the off season that Bill Belichick
offered him a job and said, I have a position
for you. All I want you to do is cover
tight ends. That was it. He's all just cover tight ends.
And he turned it down. But I don't know that
(40:21):
any other coach would say, here's a bunch of money,
just all strictly cover tight ends. Yeah,
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