December 15, 2021 • 49 mins
Wednesday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, Jonas Knox, Brady Quinn and LaVar Arrington debate cinnamon rolls vs donuts. It's Early Signing Day and a new era in college football as Jonas, Brady and LaVar react to Lane Kiffin calling the transfer portal and NIL rules the same thing as free agency. Plus, Petros Papadakis joins the guys to talk about the sweeping changes in College Football and much more!
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It's the best of two pros and a couple of
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my bets the eddied Adddie. Guess what dad is? Guess
what dadn is? Damn off and running it is day
here on fs are. How's everybody feeling happy? Baby up?
Get a little bit of hip into your home. Get
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a little hip into your home. By the way, did
you find the cinnamon in the kitchen? Substituting with with
hot chocolate? All right? Which are you mixing the hot
chocolate in the coffee? Apparently that's the thing I've That
is the thing. No, my wife does that as well.
She's trying to get me on that. But do you
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so your normally use sentiment? Is that what it is?
I like to use centimon and I cannot lie you
didn't like a little cinnamon. But it's good for the heart, man,
It's good for the heart. But I like using hot
chocolate too, so it works it's it's good by the way, cinnamon,
cinnamon rolls better than donuts. And and I'll and I'll
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fight anybody on that bottom line. Fact, I would love
if la Vart took a hard stance right now on
that and just slapped you. That's nice. I just wanted
promoting violence on the show. That's good. I mean, I
guess that's the way we do things. And it is
kind of slap worthy though. I mean, you gotta be honest,
A fine donut definitely outweighs a cinnamon role. I just
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gonna say, like cinnamon rules only have like one lane.
They can really be in. You know, like there's not
a ton of variations of cinnam roles, and there's a
lot of different types that don't Well, when's the last
time you had a cinnamon a role? Mr caviare gated
community for like, all right, you want to go there,
all right, let me there's just there's a place that
used to be called Anderson's. It's actually out of business now.
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I grew up as a kid my dad on Sundays,
Chopper would go in grab They were gigantic, they were well,
they were very well iced. However, you have to come
back heat him up a little bit. I will never
forget that. When I was little, I had a football game,
Like I think i'd like ten am that morning. Yeah,
and so he he runs and goes grab some cinnamon
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rolls and being you know, when you're a kid, get
excited for that kind of thing. I ate that thing
as fast as you've ever seen. Laid down for three minutes,
all came right back. So that kind of ruined my experience.
But there's a place I don't know if you've heard of.
It's called Anderson's growing Up. I don't know just in
business anymore, but you know what, in all seriousness, Jonas
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is like a cinnabun guy. Like he's the type of
guy that will like the champion cinnamon rolls. But then
going the completely mercialized spot, it's just a problem. It's
hard to find. It's just a cinnamon roll place out here.
It's mostly just Cinnabon. Like that's the problem. Maybe there's
a reason for that, Jonas, Maybe because outside of Cinnabon,
no one's been able to make a business out of it.
All right, I got spots. Listen, Look, man, you never
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played the game. You don't have the cinnamon roll business
like I do. Are you never playing that game? All right?
I wonder if they have an owner stick up for,
you know, the producers of the cinnamon, but possibly or
point that the businesses in a swamp understanding that that sometimes,
you know, the nuts don't hit the cinnamon bun the
way that it's supposed to hit it and careful. Oh jeez,
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all right, well Ruin talks a little Dallas. I was
just yet. I'm just saying with with these savages behind
the scenes, you know, they're gonna they're gonna cut that
up and they're gonna play nuts. Are those that they
put on cinnamon rolls? It is it? I think so?
Yeahs raising candy, Yeah, depends whatever, whatever, what type of
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whatever preference not you have, that's what they throw on. Yeah.
Sometimes I use raisins and cinas. No, I'm just saying
they also add that on as well too. Yeah, I
know it's not enough eats raisins on their seven rolls.
You never heard of cinnamon noting. I've never heard of that.
Do you eat it? Yeah, I've had it before. I've
never had that before. You've never been to Anderson Anderson
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to Okay, I'm so mad at you for ruining my bit.
I'm I just I know the guys behind the scenes,
and I don't want you to get taken advantage of
that's all, you know, just just point that out. I apologize.
Won't happen again. Sometimes the nuts don't flow as well
as they should onto the cinnamon rolls. That's all I
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was saying, you know, the cinnamons. You know. Okay, listen,
fair enough balls, thank you, coach. Um, I'm glad that
Berto put those two things together like that. Alright, Um,
so your hagant colors colors? All right. So Jerry Jones
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was doing one of his bi weekly radio hits with
Shannon r J and Dallas, you know, talking about the
Cowboy offense, which has been a little bit up and down.
Michael Parsons, as we pointed out, LaVar's guy that he's
been telling everybody about warning people for months has been
completely dominant. Dak Prescott in the offense, not so much so.
Jerry Jones, in an interview yesterday with Shannon r J
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had this to say in Dallas, I don't want to
say that, uh slump, but that's probably fair. It's such
a multi faceted evaluation but I would say that our
offense is definitely away from where we were playing, uh
five and six games ago. Is Dek healthy, Yes he is,
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Yes he is? So there it is that solves at all.
We're good to go here, Dak Prescott's healthy. Nothing to
see here, But the Cowboy offense has taken a step back.
Is this a permanent step back? Or is this team
going to get back on track and try and actually
help out the defense from time to time because they've
got a shot, as we pointed out yesterday at the
one seed in the NFC, still a real ship they do, LeVar,
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do you think Zeke looks like he's lost the step
I've I've been saying that, I've been saying I think
I've heard you said that before that I feel like
I'm I'm with you on that. Was watching back some
of their game earlier this week, and I was like, man,
he doesn't have the same type of pop. But I
know he's getting up there. Yeah, I know he's getting
up there in age, but it's just not quite the same.
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And it's maybe it's just the start contrast between when
he plays in polar plays and when they have the football,
But man, it it looks different. And I'm not saying
that that that's one of the reasons why this offense
hasn't taken off, but it is. But it's it's one
of the things I think you start to notice and
you start to say, Okay, that's not as quite explosive
as it used to be. Um, you know, Dak hasn't
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been as consistent as he probably needs to be. You know,
their their wide receivers, they've been missed some games. There's
been some times they haven't had anyone. Everyone their full
strength offensive lines had its issues. They've been missing some
guys too. I mean, it's it's been a combination of things.
I do wonder though, like how much you can put
on Kellen Moore. He was he's kind of been a
hot name, you know, great offensive mind. You know, maybe
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he's hitting a bit of a loll or going through
a rough patch right now. Um, So it's it's hard
to you know, put your finger on what exactly it is.
But can I just throw this question out? Have we
seen enough of Dak Prescott to be able to say, Okay,
is he better than Baker Mayfield? Is he better than
Kirk Cousins, Is he better than you know, some of
these other teams that have quarterbacks in a spot where like, yeah,
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Cousins got paid, Dak's gotten paid, Baker They're trying to
figure it out, but I don't I don't know that
he's better than Baker. Biggers playing banged up right now.
So anyone who wants to talk about, you know, his
lack of production, it's like you kind of gotta take
it with a grain of salt. I don't know that
Doc is. I know he's coming off in injury, but
he seems healthy now. I just I think we've seen
enough to kind of know what he is and what
he's not. And I don't know that he's ever gonna
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get to that stratosphere of where Patrick Mahomes is or
Aaron Rodgers is or Tom Brady is. And so if
that's the case, you've you got to figure out how
to build out around him then, because no matter how
much talent he has on offense and what their defense
is doing, they still are gonna need a little bit extra.
Um Man, is he better than those guys? I mean,
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there would be people that would debate saying, you know,
looking at his winning percentage, looking at the stat lines,
that he puts up that he would be considered to
be better. Uh. When I look at when I look
at Doc and I look at this this Cowboys offense,
There's there's one thing that jumps out at me. One
is there Rid's own efficiency. They have not They have
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not been as good as they needed to be in
the rid zone. Um. Secondly, I just don't see them
making explosive plays. Um. You see them make pretty good
plays here and there. You saw Mark Cooper comeback make
a nice grab. You know, in the game, we see
Ceedee Lamb emerging as as the undisputed number one big
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play guy for them. But I just don't see the balance.
I don't see the consistency. And I certainly don't see
them winning in the rid zone when they get to
the rid zone. And I don't see them producing enough
explosive plays. Going back to your original point that you
were making Brady about Ezekiel Elliott, It's interesting they they
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have gotten rushing yards. You know, Zeke has broken hundred
yards rushing, Pollard has had tremendous you know, rushing days.
But it doesn't seem to be a a rushing attack
that is giving Dak Prescott the ability to have the
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open the open windows that I think they would rather
make them run the ball and beat beat them their
opponents rather than allow for them to throw the ball
based upon based upon them trying to stop the run.
And I think that there's a level of comfort and
confidence that hasn't always been there versus the Diatlas offensive line.
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And I think that there's a confidence and being able
to stop Ezekiel Elliott or maintain the running attack minimally
and and be able to focus more on the passing game.
And while I'll say they they are, I believe they're
like the number two rated offense overall and in the
in the league, which is kind of strange because it's
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always been stats that have justified making the argument that
that Dak Prescott is is an elite quarterback in this league.
But I feel like they're hitting stats for some strange reason,
Like I can't seem to justify making Dak Prescott that
upper echalance top tier quarterback right now, So I would
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say he's in that next tier of quarterbacks. And if
you say, okay, well, who are in those next tier
of quarterbacks that aren't Patrick Mahomes or Aaron Rodgers uh,
you start to ask yourself, like, where do you put
Dak Prescott in in in those ratings? So I don't
know there They're six and rushing in the NFL, so
they run the ball adequately enough. But I just is
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is Kellen Moore the play caller because Mike McCarthy is
good with it? Or because Jerry Jones wants Collen More
to be the play caller? Because wasn't Mike McCarthy the
play caller in Green Bay all those yis? But I mean,
wasn't that part of the issue? Though I eventually why
he's not there with Aaron anymore. I just wonder when
do we get to the point to where McCarthy says,
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all right, I'm gonna start to have and maybe looks.
Maybe I don't think Kellen Moore's the issue, Like I
don't think Kellen Moore's really I don't feel like he
has been the sho since he's been there. I mean,
I just I'm saying to LaVar's point, like, statistically, anything
you're gonna look at, especially last year, you're looking before
Dad got hurt. They were humming on offense, and some
of it I was out of necessity because their defense
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was so bad. But you know, I don't think he's
the issue. I mean, he's regarded in league circles as
one of the better offensive minds. He's gotten some head
coaching interviews at least some sniffs from some teams about
you know, what he could be. So I don't looking
and think he's the issue. I think it's one of
the reasons why when Mike McCarthy got there, he's probably like,
I'm not gonna mess with that. It's the defense that's
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holding them back. But I just I think this is
now more of like a player issue thing. And and
we could talk about like a win loss record. That's
not a quarterback stat, that's a team stat, you know,
and if you want to like use that to justify
what what Dax has been or what he hasn't been.
The reality is the NFC East has been awful. It's
been awful since he's gotten there. It's been competitive, but
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only from a standpoint that all the team has been
pretty bad. And so it's not like there's you know,
been one unaway team that we've seen too much besides
the Giants how many years ago where they had to
you know, fight their win the playoffs to make a
run there. Philly was that four or five years ago. Now,
I mean, outside of like those few instances, it's not
like it's been a great division. So I just I
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look at what some of the other quarterbacks are playing
in those divisions or what they're dealing with, and I think,
I think it's it's harder football week to week, and
I think it's it's you know, I just if you're
looking at statistically speaking, like you playing a dome like
eight of your games at night of your games now
and you know, depending on the sketch, when with seventeen games,
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you're playing in Jerry's world like they should be able
to put up a lot of good status and you're
playing in that you don't have that luxury. If you're
playing the a f C North, you don't have that luxury.
And other other divisions are or on other teams, And
we don't think that the preseason shoulder issue or whatever
he was dealing with at the time has popped up
at all, because I know you were saying, but Brandy
was making the point that look, this is gonna be
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something that's gonna pop later in the sea, it'll wear down.
I mean it could be. I don't know. I mean,
it's the same thing. Like you see if you you
watch Dac enough you start breaking down his throws. There's
just times when you see ball placement isn't you know,
it isn't isn't great, Like when you compare him to
some of the other top passers in the league. It's
just it's not there. I'm sorry. Like the stats maybe
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for some of what they can do after the catch
and all that, but it's not the same. It's it's
not the same tape you're watching when you see some
of these throws other quarterbacks are making, like the throw
justin Herbert made the sixty five yard dime man well
at sixty five yard dime that he threw under dress,
under pressure. You know, I haven't say Dak make a
throw like that. I mean, I'm just saying that the
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effort when he put that they through to do it.
That was a trick. Put it through the dust in
cups and hands, like if we're being real, I mean,
I'm just saying, if we're being real, you could see
why the Dallas Cowboys might have had hesitance to pay him,
because I think when you're watching, you're like Yeah, he's
good enough, but is he gonna be those guys or
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have that sort of talent. I don't think that's ever
going to be the kid. That's been my discussion point
from day one. And that's not a that's not a
h an indictment or an attack on deck. That's just
you gotta just set what Yeah. Yeah, it's it's like,
you know, when you pull up to that stoplight and
you gotta you got a Ferrari that pulls up next
to you. You're not winning. You're not winning. You gotta
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be real with you. So yeah, you're you're gonna kid
from point eight point eight to point b. That's not
as quickly as that car next to you. And that's okay. Yeah,
there's nothing wrong with that. Yeah, especially if you've been
paid like your Ferrari. Yeah, I mean, negotiation wise, he's
a top three quarterback in the NFL. You know, that's
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I Heart Radio. It is also early signing day. Correct,
we are we gonna start to see yeah, big time
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day around college football. Somebody in college football made some
made some headlines. Lane Kiffin, the head coach of Ole Miss,
was you know, having you know, a brutally honest back
and forth and talked about the transfer portal in the
world of college football, and he had this to say
to the media. I think people really say it this way,
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but let's not make a mistake. I mean, we have
free agency in college football, and the kids at times
go to work. They're gonna paid the most. So no
one else is saying that. Maybe, but you know, two
kids say this is what I'm getting here for an isle,
you know, And so what we really have it is
what it is. You know, free agency has been created
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in college football. You know, I can go, except you
can't lock people into a contract. You know, they can
go at any time. So it's a new world that
we're in, you know. And sometimes they want to come
and even say, I'm I get this much money if
I go there. So this is just a whole whole
new thing to deal with. So I mean, listen, it
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sounds like somebody speaking the truth a little bit. There.
We Uh, just got a got an issue with Lane
and the Lane Trainlo you want to you want to
take it first. Now you know I want you too,
because you're a lot closer to it with as much
coaching as you do, you know, with these high school kids.
So I feel like you've you've probably have a great
perspective on this and just how it's all going down.
Right now, let me start. Let me start here. If
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if you are a tremendously valued player, you have always
been weighted, measured and value that way throughout the history
of sport. That has not changed in that regard. They
made the movie Blue Chip before you saw the movie,
the program and different things like that. You know he
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got game right, Friends, friends of a friend, friends of
a family, and cool. A lot of people make come
ups off of the talent of of these guys. But
that is a very very limited amount of people you're
speaking on. So while I'll agree with the premise of
what Lane was saying, these guys are players. Are all
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free agents there every single year. If people aren't aware
of this, you should be aware of it. A scholarship
kid has to renew his contract for his scholarship every
single year. Yes, I said his or her contract. You're
signing a yearly contract to get a free education, to
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get your books paid for, to have a dormitory. All
of those things are on a spreadsheet. Every player is
on a spreadsheet. So now when you talk about having
a transfer portal, and you can, you can just opt
out of being out of school where you at one
point time would be punished for for leaving, you get
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punished for transferring. And and that became a large conversation
because coaches could leave and didn't have to sit out,
but players did. Now you add in the n I
L situation, and I ultimately say, because the rules aren't
very very pronounced and everybody's trying to kind of figure
out how to to move through, this free agency at
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the college level is indeed what it becomes because all
of these businesses that are are reliant on their local
football teams to to win and have success, that becomes
an investment of sorts, right Like, if we can get
this great player from this this area to come to
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our school and play for our school, then they're going
to make our school better. And if our school is better,
if our team is winning, then that's going to improve
the traffic of people coming here. It's going to improve
the economy. So now you have businesses that have a
more vested interest in getting involved with these athletes that
are either coming out of high school or are already
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in college. And so it does become almost in a way, uh,
free agent. Free agents are are the high profile ones
are courted, they're recruited, and they're talked to to come
to these these different you know, franchises, like like what
Aaron Rodgers said, Look, people are coming here for Aaron Rodgers.
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They're not coming here for Green Bay. So when you
look at or you listen to what Elaine Kiffin's saying,
a team like a school like Alabama or a school
like Clemson, where you know that the investment goes into
the from the boosters, the donors, the communities, the schools
that have that type of support, that gap seemingly may
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get bigger in terms of of getting talent because now
you actually legally in a way can acquire your talent
for your school. Now. So yeah, it is free agency.
I think it's free agency to because of the transfer portal.
Like those two things work hand in hand where kids
are able to leave and jump ship and not be
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penalized for it. So and and look, I think whether
or not you think that's right or wrong, that's probably
for another conversation debate. But the reality is, and this
is just truly what I believe, like we're we ventured
into a new era in amateur athletics, if you still
want to call it that, And now we're I think
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universities who have been making a ton of money for
a while working off free labor are now having to
deal with the reality that the model has changed. The
money that they were receiving from marketing purposes and so
forth from those companies you talked about our boosters, if
you're want to throw them into this, that usually went
to the university that you'd see those signs put up
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anywhere else around the stadium and all that. Now it's
going towards the player. Now it's being represented by the
player promoting that product, good service, whatever the case may be.
And and that's how that model has changed the university
and receiving that money anymore. They can't facilitate or directly
facilitate these deals. So those same boosters and clubs and
universities and schools and all that they're looking for other
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avenues to go to get those players and get them there,
but compensate them a different fashion with name, image and
likeness money. Now the reality is, though, and I'm I'm
I'm a believer in this, you know, I think free
markets end up figuring themselves out. If you are one
of those boosters and you keep giving money to these
kids who are coming out of high school and they
don't pan out or they jump ship. Right if if
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you're you know, quin yours who goes to Ohio State,
he's able to take advantage of a loophole where he
can leave the state of Texas where he can't make
n I L money in the state of Texas because
he's still in high school. But if he reclassifies, he
could leave go to Columbus. He can make this money
for name, image and likeness, sit there in Ryan Days
system for your practice football and all that make money,
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and then bounce right back down to the University of Texas.
That's what he did, folks, That's what he did. That's
all legal. It's nothing wrong with what he did. But
let's not get a twisted. That wasn't a football decision.
That was a business decision. And so that that's the
problem with this model. And then why I'm telling you
the name, image and likeness and the ability for athletes
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to make money off that is directly linked to the
transfer portal because if you had made it where Quinn
yours would have to sit out a year if he
wants to transfer, he loses that year of eligibility. Now
it changes the dynamic a little bit because at some point,
as much as you want to make decisions based off name,
image and likeness, those are business decisions. They only go
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so far because what you did in football in high school,
you gotta eventually play in college. You have to venture
we do something, and so so no, I think you
do for this reason because for every single one of
the Quinn yeers there is out there that's a big
hyped up recruit out of high school or whatever, there's
gonna be enough players that end up not panning out
where if I was a guy who was giving money
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to any of these players for a name, image and
likeness deals, I don't want to see them play. I
want to see him play at the college level. And
so maybe it's a kid that you're getting that's coming
from a group of five school. Maybe it's a kid
who wants to transfer from one Power five program like
Spencer Raller, Austin Stagger, who's already done something. We've already
seen them at Oklahoma, who wants to go to South Carolina.
And now I got some South Carolina boosters who want
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to help give those guys some name, image and like
this money, But I'd want to see that product first.
So I think the model is going to continue to
keep evolving and changing where you know, these boosters, these
people aren't gonna want to pay kids that are not
known commodities come out of high school. Maybe a something
some of those recruits, but not all of them. And
it will eventually figure itself out. But you know, we
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kind of got off with you know what today is.
Today is the beginning of that journey. You know, today's
National sign Day. It's the early signing period, which that's
in and of itself its own topic because they need
to they need to change the date on this thing.
And I already think there are people who are looking
at it. Greg Sanky particular, the commissioner of the SEC,
who said, I told you so, you wouldn't have an
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early signed a period December fifte guess what, There's gonna
be some unattended consequences that come along with it. Do
you get would you rather be a recruiter in today's
college football climate or ten years ago? Ten years ago? Yeah?
And also it's and I think there was probably people
that you know, and look, we know, nobody's naive enough
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to think that there wasn't you know, anybody getting something,
you know, years and years ago when it came to
you know, come here and we'll take care of this.
And we've seen the stories and people getting busted or
caught doing it. But I think there was also maybe
some people who were still nut it's not worth the risk. Nuts,
you didn't have that many, that many sharp arcs in
the water. Now it feels like there are so many
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avenues to where you can offer, But I don't think
there was as many as there are now because now
it feels like there are so many people who want
to get it. But yeah, but I don't think that
as many as there are now being meaning that you've
got all these other local businesses, all these other people
that look at this and go, oh, this is our
time to get a little bit notoriety as well to
look barstool Sports. The w w E is doing name
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image likeness now with with kids all over the country.
I don't think that would have existed years ago, and
that many kids would have been It wouldn't have, but
it could have. And and all of the people that
will get active now we'll get active because they've always
been active. I hope you'll understood what I just hit Youallwood,
just know I understand what you're saying. I do think
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there's a degree of it that there might have been
some people on the fence. Like I'll put it this way,
if you were a sports better at gambler, you probably
had a bookie before it became legalized in your state.
Like like to your point, you were always that guy,
You're always that guy. But here's here's the reality is,
once it became legalized, there's a lot of people who
didn't want to take the risk, who more maybe on
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defence that now we're like, hey, i'll start an account,
start up. And so I think those people who were
on the sidelines, like kind of stepping across the line
or maybe dipping their toe in the water, now those
people have said what's legal. So I don't need to
feel guilty about there, so I don't need to feel
like I'm gonna get myself in trouble or my company
or someone else. And I think you've got companies who
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understand social media platforms that some of these kids have,
but also how that they can give a merch deal,
like they're giving up merchandise not even paying real cash,
and these kids are willing to sign on for it
and help their business. Like that's a powerful thing. Now.
You know, maybe that was going on back in the
(27:53):
past too, but it can't be as prevalent because if
those kids are receiving merchandise or some sort of order product,
they couldn't advertise it right, like they had to keep
it on the low. Now these kids are like promoting
it like, hey, dude, this is what you need to have.
I'm glad you brought up the social media aspect of it,
because that was what I was going to put to
your point of these these businesses want to see the
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product that they're investing in there there r o I
has now shifted to not only on the football field,
it's shifted to what their interactions are, their customer acquisition,
and that's coming through social media. So while a guy
may never pan out. There's there's two times, right as
as a coach, this is I've learned this as a
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as of late. There are two times a kid is
most valuable in their career. And and to to define times,
one is when they're coming out of coming out of
high school and they're being recruited. And if you're a
fourth star, if you're a five star, even if you're
a three star, your your you have a a value
connected to your star rating. There's a there is a
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monetary value connected to your rating. So now once you
go into college, your value is at its highest coming
in as that four or five star, three star player.
Everybody values that. The school values it. They put a
dollar amount on it. The businesses they value it. They
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know the dollar amount on it. Now, what you do
from there will dictate if you're able to hit that
second that second time that your most valuable, which is
you become a a legitimate NFL prospect. That means you
could be an award winner, that means you're an All American,
you're All Conference, whatever it may be. You have now
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placed yourself in a position to be that second time
most valuable in your career at that level, so you
get one time per level. Really basically, in high school
it's your stars. In college it's your it's your awar,
in your draft stock, your draft status, and then from
there it doesn't matter. But the bottom line to that
(30:06):
is is that these these companies are looking at real,
real customer acquisition, real followership versus non followers like AI
artificial intelligence, right, and in that scenario, they are going
to look at the value of a high school fourth
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star coming out and having twenty followers. Those are real
followers versus a guy that that's in college or or
in the pros that we don't you don't really know
what the value is on their followership, but you do
know that you can get customer acquisition through the followings
of these players out of high school, in college, in
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pro and that's where the value is, Like it's a data.
I just hope that some of these kids have somebody
in their ear talking about long term because that's what
I do. You know, most of us need to be
doing it because because some of these like they could
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be looking at this going, man, I can get this amount,
Now what am I waiting for? When it's like okay,
hold on, but but there you got to think big picture.
If this works out, there's opportunities. No, I'm just saying, well, yeah,
never mind, there would be someone who makes more money
being just a personality and an influencer that was a really,
(31:31):
really good football player that that had a projection to
be like an All American go into the pros. They'll
make more money than a guy that ends up being
an All American and goes Top ten or you know,
top twenty in the National Football League, just based off
of where the current climate and environment. They've made more
(31:52):
money as boxers than guys that have been boxing for
twenty years, Like just just based on their their followers.
I was gonna say, but that's what was based upon.
It was based upon the empire, the loyal following that
they build on social media, and that's what people are
investing in. And that's that's what makes this really dangerous
because that's anybody can go out there and get that following.
(32:14):
Now it becomes how do I acquire And kids don't
even realize it, but it's how do I acquire my
clientele my community, because that's where you do businesses within
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here on Fox Sports Radio. Co host of The Petros
and Money Show, Fox College Football analyst Petrose is happening.
Sorry for the anagains. You remember that scene. Come on,
(33:25):
I'm a homegirl Danny clip for years on my old
old show. It is a classic. Yeah, you gotta look
that one up. Hey, by the way, Petro every all
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the homiies we're getting so oh yeah, the terrible scene
across the street that Duvall's turning to clean up and didn't.
Then then he finds out, you know, he was sharing
and uh, you know, just terrible for everybody involved. Yeahs off.
By the way, did you get to the Whiskey a
Go Go last night? P I was listening to the
show You and Matt when Smith tickets to I don't
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go to shows anymore, and I used to go to
concert I used to go to a concert every night,
you know, weirdo concerts for freaks, but concerts nonetheless. One
of the first ones I ever went to. I went
to see a band called Gossip and uh it was
a three piece band with a really uh uh probably
like a four ft eleven, two hundred and sixty pound
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lead singing girl and uh, Beth did oh and I came.
I went to one of their shows, and I was
by myself because I couldn't get anybody to go with me.
And uh, I was standing and like they were like,
you know a lot of dudes with like nipple tassels
and leader hosens and stuff. And I was just trying
to kind of keep to myself at the bar. And
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then the show started and I was standing there and
the girl came on stage like Ricky Lake in a
hair spray with the big giant thing. Said this was
the Blue Oyster. Well it was called the Echoes, and
then she did a sprint and did a cannonball right
unto my face. Stuck the yeah, she s After that,
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I kept going to shows. So I used to really
love going to concerts, but I don't. I'm married now
and I live far away from the city. So you've
had a physical You've had a physical altercation with the
lead singer. What's the bands? I wouldn't call it a
physical altercation. She just dove into the crowd, you know,
(35:36):
like she was breaking a wedge on a kickoff back
when you could do that right on your face face
was the wedge? It was three you know, tight end
types or fullbacks holding hands. Were you mortified, were you excited?
Or were you confused? Probably this was just before after
(35:59):
you run ends with that oars you're on when you
guys just butt heads. You were prepared for all this?
Oh yeah, I've been through the wars. I was tired.
Good morning everybody. How don't I ask you anything? Serious?
(36:27):
Home girl, Brady, what do you want? Train for years?
Oh my god, choo choo. Oh no, it's National Signing Day.
Thank you, thank you, thank you. What are your thoughts?
Taco places in the little I knew we were never
(36:48):
going to get to anything because I had National Signing Day?
How does it? No? No, I'm just I'm curious to
get your thoughts on whether or not you like it.
Like I mean, I feel like it takes away from
a lot of that senior year of high school, last
year high school, I guess I should say nowadays. Yeah,
I remember we had a guy when a back way
back when I was playing. We had one of those
(37:09):
early entry guys and he ended up getting drafted. Jacob
Rodgers ended up playing old line for the Dallas Cowboys.
He we brought him in as a tight end and
a punter, and uh, I just remember feeling so bad
for him. You know, he's this big, goofy guy and
here he is with a bunch of freaking you know,
(37:29):
the kind of the type of dudes that pac Man
was trying to police. Look at me, you know, and
it's like this guy should be at the prom, right
he should be drinking light beer in the back of
a van somewhere, you know, in a forest, and uh,
you kind of feel for them. But at the same time,
(37:50):
you know, when you make football your life and you're
a college bound football player, you make a lot of sacrifices.
And I think that's part of it. You know, these
guys going into school early, that's that's part of it.
I admire the guys that like kind of stay back
and do their thing, But then you get into camp
and your head is spinning and they're trying to install
(38:13):
zone and you don't even know what you're looking at. So,
I mean, we really hit the nase button on these
kids with college football and the way things work in
college football, and because of that, I think everybody's trying
to get a leg up on everybody. I think you'll
start seeing more of the John David Booty J T.
Daniels model. You know, hold the kid back in eighth
(38:36):
grade and then send him to college after his junior year. Wow,
you know, and that man, Okay, we talked about that
another time, because that's that is a you just opened up.
That's a Pandora's box. Of a much bigger conversation, especially
with all of these new schools that are popping up. Um,
(38:57):
and you know what I'm talking about, those those reclassification schools. Uh.
But like I don't know what great anybody is anything anymore?
Doing the games. They'd be like to see, does he
have another year left? And it's saying, I don't know,
he's gonna walk for senior day and then he's gonna
transfer somewhere else. Um. You know what's crazy is it
got so real you started seeing kids in high school
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drinking beers after games and smoking cigarettes. It's like, hey,
what's going on? Like, hey, he's twenty one. I mean
the kid is legal, He's allowed to do it. Um, no, no,
I'm joking. But pop, let me let me ask you
about laying Kiffin coming out and saying, you know, the
premium on on free agents is going to become very
interesting and and become prominent in college sports right now.
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And now I would assume you being a guy who's
you know, is a usc type of guy. I mean,
you got to think that this gives a guy that
comes to coach for this team an opportunity to build
his his team up very quickly through the free agency pool. Correct. Yeah,
it's a two way street. First of all, that's rich
from if in considering his history kids being able to leave.
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It's like, I don't know how a lot of these
coaches stand up there and say stuff like that with
a straight face and two kids aren't really that quick
to leave. I mean, we see the transfer portal, we
see a lot of movement because they can. And it's
a very unique time because of what happened with COVID
and the eligibility is spinning out of control, like we said,
(40:25):
But not everybody's just ready to leave, you know what
I mean. You guys know what it's like to be
playing at a college. It's not exactly the most convenient
thing in the world to be like, Okay, you know what,
I'm taking this, this whole thing to Colorado State. You know,
most transferred. I know that I thought about I think
everybody has had a moment what I thought about transferring,
(40:45):
thinking about it and calling the mover, you know, two
different telling your parents and the whole thing, you know,
I mean, that's it's it's different. But I agree with you,
you know, I think that, uh, it is a quick
fix for a lot of people, but you also have
to be careful and you can bring in two or
three or four guys that are really never gonna become you.
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You know, they're never going to assimilate into what you're doing,
and that can be a big risk. You know, We've
seen people make mistakes with who they've brought in, and
if you bring in too many mistakes, all of a sudden,
you have a culture problem on your team. So these
guys are gonna have to be uh cautious about how
they do things. But there's no doubt that it is
a really interesting time. I mean, if you think about
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just how quickly things have changed. In August, Spencer Rattler
and Keaton Slovi's we're both going to the NFL at
the end of the year. They were both in the
Heisman conversation. They both had these giant and I A
L deals. We couldn't stop talking about them, and they
both got One got run off by Lincoln Riley this week.
(41:52):
One got benched by Lincoln Riley during the season, and
now they're both in the portal and the NFL is
not in the immediate future. So life comes at you fast,
you know, Uh, it's never been moving faster in college football.
I guess do you think college football is in a
better place now than what it was when you were playing?
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In some ways? Yeah, the players are way more protected.
You know that. We can't they can't just do three
days like they used to with us. They can't. Seriously,
you don't like those. You didn't like those petros? Continental Breakfast?
What helmet for dessert? What did those look like? What
do the three days look like? Breast cereal? And they
(42:35):
get up at five Continental breakfast, some bagels and what
that was basically an apple? And uh. Then you get
all out in helmets and jerseys and uh shorts and
work individual work and get a good lather for about
an hour and ten. Then you go back and put
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on full pads and do a full practice with that
adds fifty play run drail to it. And then you
go have lunch, A minute nap, yeah whatever, take your
twenty minute nap, which is worse than sleeping at all.
Back into meetings, Back into the meeting, fall asleep in
the meeting room while you watch the film, even though
it's all hot and dark, and go back and do
the same process all over again, same practice, and then
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back to meetings till ten o'clock. Uh, and then go
back and yeah, make sure you get your homework done
by the way. No, no, we don't. Wait, we're not
in school yet unless you try to get eligible of
our Oh well, yeah, I guess that's true. He's still
working with the clearing up. Yeah, and that happens a
lot of times. Oh yeah, so all that language, I mean,
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we're all very used to that. So they used to
be able to do that to us, you know. Uh
and a fifty play run drill, and that's I mean,
they still do it at Alabama. That's why they're good.
Uh yeah, but but they can't really do that to
you anymore. And as a guy who calls games, you know,
and called games through back when you could peel back
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block on anybody and knock anybody's face clean off, and
you would just go out and say during the week
that our goal is to knock the quarterback out of
the game, like that kind of stuff when I was
first calling games. Has given way to targeting and and
all of those different things. And that transition, though, it
has been painful. And sometimes you see a targeting call
(44:25):
and they kick a kid out of a game, and
you're just you just hate yourself for for being involved
in it, but that we are safer with the way
we hit each other. I mean there's no there really
is no way around that. That's the truth. So that's
a good thing too. So I guess it's in a
better place and there's more money being made, but we
still got to find a way for the schools to
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compensate the players. Having Billy Bob's grain elevator down the
road paying the running back at Arkansas is not It
does not solve the problem. And the breathless, lovely cover
of that all summer like oh this is great, all
change the world. Wat's like no, No, the colleges are
making billions. They need to compensate the people at risk
(45:10):
that are playing the revenue sports and until we figure
that out, we're not going to be that great at
place had to change title nine. Man, can I wonder
who would say that? Can I stop you from being
able to do an n I L deal based off
like what if it was like an adult entertainment place
that wanted to offer a deal for you to support
their venue? Well, like who, I don't know. The answer is,
(45:33):
technically they're not supposed to accept those sorts of deals.
But there's no hard writing like there used to be
um language that prohibited schools obviously for taking money from
I think it's kind of like a syntax, right, like porn, alcohol, tobacco,
those sorts of things. Who knows if that changes though,
but that technically, I think is how they view it.
(45:54):
Look at that you introduced the Notre Dame coach and
you all of a sudden, man, you got the rule
book in your head like Pereira. He's on his way.
He's on his way there, he's on Aric administrator. Brady,
you're gonna Jonas. Jonas has already started. He's been plugging
his Saturday dip. So Brady's gonna end up going to
Notre Dame and being the A d I thinking coach.
(46:15):
He's gonna be breaking news that Brady is gonna be
the next days in three weeks, and we're very concerned.
I could see that Brady would be as dope ass
a d No. No, I'm not trying to hold you
on national sure, are you sure? Petros? I wouldn't be
more like Mike Bonerdo you don't even know, Scott, You
(46:36):
don't even know, I see you as kind of a
high brid Give me a little more radio, give I
see you as deem Wurmer and principles. Give me a
microphone a look look around kind the recruiting of the
day today, Ley now, now, Joan is now your guy?
(47:04):
What's your guy again? Harry carry? Oh, Harry Harry carry? Now?
Now can we do bon Arino with Cary? Can we
match the two up? Because jukebox this might be the
dopest moment in radio history. Right now, Tom to old
juice was a wild hair, the suck of the Bouldrino
(47:24):
is up to bath. You know, rino spelled back words
is a rubber ba hill, Oh man, get him on
(47:45):
Twitter at the old tea. I don't know what we
accomplished today, but it was fun. This is me, This
is fair. By the way, how old is that movie?
Thirty years got to be thirty years old enough for
(48:05):
Sean Penna throw damon Wayne's on a grill. The name
of the gang, the one that had Mario Lopez and
uh the white guy from camp buy me love Cannon?
You know what was it? Crips Hey? That was where
they were up on the hill where they were so
(48:27):
good so good I can't laugh anymore no more, I
have no more energy to left. Alright, Uh, Petros will
do it again next week. We never know where the
hell it's gonna go. It just goes. It just doesn't Still,
(48:47):
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Get a little bit of hip into your home. Get
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a little hip into your home. By the way, did
you find the cinnamon in the kitchen? Substituting with with
hot chocolate? All right? Which are you mixing the hot
chocolate in the coffee? Apparently that's the thing I've That
is the thing. No, my wife does that as well.
She's trying to get me on that. But do you
(01:05):
so your normally use sentiment? Is that what it is?
I like to use centimon and I cannot lie you
didn't like a little cinnamon. But it's good for the heart, man,
It's good for the heart. But I like using hot
chocolate too, so it works it's it's good by the way, cinnamon,
cinnamon rolls better than donuts. And and I'll and I'll
(01:25):
fight anybody on that bottom line. Fact, I would love
if la Vart took a hard stance right now on
that and just slapped you. That's nice. I just wanted
promoting violence on the show. That's good. I mean, I
guess that's the way we do things. And it is
kind of slap worthy though. I mean, you gotta be honest,
A fine donut definitely outweighs a cinnamon role. I just
(01:50):
gonna say, like cinnamon rules only have like one lane.
They can really be in. You know, like there's not
a ton of variations of cinnam roles, and there's a
lot of different types that don't Well, when's the last
time you had a cinnamon a role? Mr caviare gated
community for like, all right, you want to go there,
all right, let me there's just there's a place that
used to be called Anderson's. It's actually out of business now.
(02:10):
I grew up as a kid my dad on Sundays,
Chopper would go in grab They were gigantic, they were well,
they were very well iced. However, you have to come
back heat him up a little bit. I will never
forget that. When I was little, I had a football game,
Like I think i'd like ten am that morning. Yeah,
and so he he runs and goes grab some cinnamon
(02:31):
rolls and being you know, when you're a kid, get
excited for that kind of thing. I ate that thing
as fast as you've ever seen. Laid down for three minutes,
all came right back. So that kind of ruined my experience.
But there's a place I don't know if you've heard of.
It's called Anderson's growing Up. I don't know just in
business anymore, but you know what, in all seriousness, Jonas
(02:54):
is like a cinnabun guy. Like he's the type of
guy that will like the champion cinnamon rolls. But then
going the completely mercialized spot, it's just a problem. It's
hard to find. It's just a cinnamon roll place out here.
It's mostly just Cinnabon. Like that's the problem. Maybe there's
a reason for that, Jonas, Maybe because outside of Cinnabon,
no one's been able to make a business out of it.
All right, I got spots. Listen, Look, man, you never
(03:16):
played the game. You don't have the cinnamon roll business
like I do. Are you never playing that game? All right?
I wonder if they have an owner stick up for,
you know, the producers of the cinnamon, but possibly or
point that the businesses in a swamp understanding that that sometimes,
you know, the nuts don't hit the cinnamon bun the
way that it's supposed to hit it and careful. Oh jeez,
(03:39):
all right, well Ruin talks a little Dallas. I was
just yet. I'm just saying with with these savages behind
the scenes, you know, they're gonna they're gonna cut that
up and they're gonna play nuts. Are those that they
put on cinnamon rolls? It is it? I think so?
Yeahs raising candy, Yeah, depends whatever, whatever, what type of
(04:06):
whatever preference not you have, that's what they throw on. Yeah.
Sometimes I use raisins and cinas. No, I'm just saying
they also add that on as well too. Yeah, I
know it's not enough eats raisins on their seven rolls.
You never heard of cinnamon noting. I've never heard of that.
Do you eat it? Yeah, I've had it before. I've
never had that before. You've never been to Anderson Anderson
(04:29):
to Okay, I'm so mad at you for ruining my bit.
I'm I just I know the guys behind the scenes,
and I don't want you to get taken advantage of
that's all, you know, just just point that out. I apologize.
Won't happen again. Sometimes the nuts don't flow as well
as they should onto the cinnamon rolls. That's all I
(04:51):
was saying, you know, the cinnamons. You know. Okay, listen,
fair enough balls, thank you, coach. Um, I'm glad that
Berto put those two things together like that. Alright, Um,
so your hagant colors colors? All right. So Jerry Jones
(05:15):
was doing one of his bi weekly radio hits with
Shannon r J and Dallas, you know, talking about the
Cowboy offense, which has been a little bit up and down.
Michael Parsons, as we pointed out, LaVar's guy that he's
been telling everybody about warning people for months has been
completely dominant. Dak Prescott in the offense, not so much so.
Jerry Jones, in an interview yesterday with Shannon r J
(05:38):
had this to say in Dallas, I don't want to
say that, uh slump, but that's probably fair. It's such
a multi faceted evaluation but I would say that our
offense is definitely away from where we were playing, uh
five and six games ago. Is Dek healthy, Yes he is,
(06:01):
Yes he is? So there it is that solves at all.
We're good to go here, Dak Prescott's healthy. Nothing to
see here, But the Cowboy offense has taken a step back.
Is this a permanent step back? Or is this team
going to get back on track and try and actually
help out the defense from time to time because they've
got a shot, as we pointed out yesterday at the
one seed in the NFC, still a real ship they do, LeVar,
(06:24):
do you think Zeke looks like he's lost the step
I've I've been saying that, I've been saying I think
I've heard you said that before that I feel like
I'm I'm with you on that. Was watching back some
of their game earlier this week, and I was like, man,
he doesn't have the same type of pop. But I
know he's getting up there. Yeah, I know he's getting
up there in age, but it's just not quite the same.
(06:45):
And it's maybe it's just the start contrast between when
he plays in polar plays and when they have the football,
But man, it it looks different. And I'm not saying
that that that's one of the reasons why this offense
hasn't taken off, but it is. But it's it's one
of the things I think you start to notice and
you start to say, Okay, that's not as quite explosive
as it used to be. Um, you know, Dak hasn't
(07:09):
been as consistent as he probably needs to be. You know,
their their wide receivers, they've been missed some games. There's
been some times they haven't had anyone. Everyone their full
strength offensive lines had its issues. They've been missing some
guys too. I mean, it's it's been a combination of things.
I do wonder though, like how much you can put
on Kellen Moore. He was he's kind of been a
hot name, you know, great offensive mind. You know, maybe
(07:31):
he's hitting a bit of a loll or going through
a rough patch right now. Um, So it's it's hard
to you know, put your finger on what exactly it is.
But can I just throw this question out? Have we
seen enough of Dak Prescott to be able to say, Okay,
is he better than Baker Mayfield? Is he better than
Kirk Cousins, Is he better than you know, some of
these other teams that have quarterbacks in a spot where like, yeah,
(07:53):
Cousins got paid, Dak's gotten paid, Baker They're trying to
figure it out, but I don't I don't know that
he's better than Baker. Biggers playing banged up right now.
So anyone who wants to talk about, you know, his
lack of production, it's like you kind of gotta take
it with a grain of salt. I don't know that
Doc is. I know he's coming off in injury, but
he seems healthy now. I just I think we've seen
enough to kind of know what he is and what
he's not. And I don't know that he's ever gonna
(08:15):
get to that stratosphere of where Patrick Mahomes is or
Aaron Rodgers is or Tom Brady is. And so if
that's the case, you've you got to figure out how
to build out around him then, because no matter how
much talent he has on offense and what their defense
is doing, they still are gonna need a little bit extra.
Um Man, is he better than those guys? I mean,
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there would be people that would debate saying, you know,
looking at his winning percentage, looking at the stat lines,
that he puts up that he would be considered to
be better. Uh. When I look at when I look
at Doc and I look at this this Cowboys offense,
There's there's one thing that jumps out at me. One
is there Rid's own efficiency. They have not They have
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not been as good as they needed to be in
the rid zone. Um. Secondly, I just don't see them
making explosive plays. Um. You see them make pretty good
plays here and there. You saw Mark Cooper comeback make
a nice grab. You know, in the game, we see
Ceedee Lamb emerging as as the undisputed number one big
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play guy for them. But I just don't see the balance.
I don't see the consistency. And I certainly don't see
them winning in the rid zone when they get to
the rid zone. And I don't see them producing enough
explosive plays. Going back to your original point that you
were making Brady about Ezekiel Elliott, It's interesting they they
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have gotten rushing yards. You know, Zeke has broken hundred
yards rushing, Pollard has had tremendous you know, rushing days.
But it doesn't seem to be a a rushing attack
that is giving Dak Prescott the ability to have the
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open the open windows that I think they would rather
make them run the ball and beat beat them their
opponents rather than allow for them to throw the ball
based upon based upon them trying to stop the run.
And I think that there's a level of comfort and
confidence that hasn't always been there versus the Diatlas offensive line.
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And I think that there's a confidence and being able
to stop Ezekiel Elliott or maintain the running attack minimally
and and be able to focus more on the passing game.
And while I'll say they they are, I believe they're
like the number two rated offense overall and in the
in the league, which is kind of strange because it's
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always been stats that have justified making the argument that
that Dak Prescott is is an elite quarterback in this league.
But I feel like they're hitting stats for some strange reason,
Like I can't seem to justify making Dak Prescott that
upper echalance top tier quarterback right now, So I would
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say he's in that next tier of quarterbacks. And if
you say, okay, well, who are in those next tier
of quarterbacks that aren't Patrick Mahomes or Aaron Rodgers uh,
you start to ask yourself, like, where do you put
Dak Prescott in in in those ratings? So I don't
know there They're six and rushing in the NFL, so
they run the ball adequately enough. But I just is
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is Kellen Moore the play caller because Mike McCarthy is
good with it? Or because Jerry Jones wants Collen More
to be the play caller? Because wasn't Mike McCarthy the
play caller in Green Bay all those yis? But I mean,
wasn't that part of the issue? Though I eventually why
he's not there with Aaron anymore. I just wonder when
do we get to the point to where McCarthy says,
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all right, I'm gonna start to have and maybe looks.
Maybe I don't think Kellen Moore's the issue, Like I
don't think Kellen Moore's really I don't feel like he
has been the sho since he's been there. I mean,
I just I'm saying to LaVar's point, like, statistically, anything
you're gonna look at, especially last year, you're looking before
Dad got hurt. They were humming on offense, and some
of it I was out of necessity because their defense
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was so bad. But you know, I don't think he's
the issue. I mean, he's regarded in league circles as
one of the better offensive minds. He's gotten some head
coaching interviews at least some sniffs from some teams about
you know, what he could be. So I don't looking
and think he's the issue. I think it's one of
the reasons why when Mike McCarthy got there, he's probably like,
I'm not gonna mess with that. It's the defense that's
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holding them back. But I just I think this is
now more of like a player issue thing. And and
we could talk about like a win loss record. That's
not a quarterback stat, that's a team stat, you know,
and if you want to like use that to justify
what what Dax has been or what he hasn't been.
The reality is the NFC East has been awful. It's
been awful since he's gotten there. It's been competitive, but
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only from a standpoint that all the team has been
pretty bad. And so it's not like there's you know,
been one unaway team that we've seen too much besides
the Giants how many years ago where they had to
you know, fight their win the playoffs to make a
run there. Philly was that four or five years ago. Now,
I mean, outside of like those few instances, it's not
like it's been a great division. So I just I
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look at what some of the other quarterbacks are playing
in those divisions or what they're dealing with, and I think,
I think it's it's harder football week to week, and
I think it's it's you know, I just if you're
looking at statistically speaking, like you playing a dome like
eight of your games at night of your games now
and you know, depending on the sketch, when with seventeen games,
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you're playing in Jerry's world like they should be able
to put up a lot of good status and you're
playing in that you don't have that luxury. If you're
playing the a f C North, you don't have that luxury.
And other other divisions are or on other teams, And
we don't think that the preseason shoulder issue or whatever
he was dealing with at the time has popped up
at all, because I know you were saying, but Brandy
was making the point that look, this is gonna be
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something that's gonna pop later in the sea, it'll wear down.
I mean it could be. I don't know. I mean,
it's the same thing. Like you see if you you
watch Dac enough you start breaking down his throws. There's
just times when you see ball placement isn't you know,
it isn't isn't great, Like when you compare him to
some of the other top passers in the league. It's
just it's not there. I'm sorry. Like the stats maybe
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for some of what they can do after the catch
and all that, but it's not the same. It's it's
not the same tape you're watching when you see some
of these throws other quarterbacks are making, like the throw
justin Herbert made the sixty five yard dime man well
at sixty five yard dime that he threw under dress,
under pressure. You know, I haven't say Dak make a
throw like that. I mean, I'm just saying that the
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effort when he put that they through to do it.
That was a trick. Put it through the dust in
cups and hands, like if we're being real, I mean,
I'm just saying, if we're being real, you could see
why the Dallas Cowboys might have had hesitance to pay him,
because I think when you're watching, you're like Yeah, he's
good enough, but is he gonna be those guys or
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have that sort of talent. I don't think that's ever
going to be the kid. That's been my discussion point
from day one. And that's not a that's not a
h an indictment or an attack on deck. That's just
you gotta just set what Yeah. Yeah, it's it's like,
you know, when you pull up to that stoplight and
you gotta you got a Ferrari that pulls up next
to you. You're not winning. You're not winning. You gotta
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be real with you. So yeah, you're you're gonna kid
from point eight point eight to point b. That's not
as quickly as that car next to you. And that's okay. Yeah,
there's nothing wrong with that. Yeah, especially if you've been
paid like your Ferrari. Yeah, I mean, negotiation wise, he's
a top three quarterback in the NFL. You know, that's
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I Heart Radio. It is also early signing day. Correct,
we are we gonna start to see yeah, big time
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day around college football. Somebody in college football made some
made some headlines. Lane Kiffin, the head coach of Ole Miss,
was you know, having you know, a brutally honest back
and forth and talked about the transfer portal in the
world of college football, and he had this to say
to the media. I think people really say it this way,
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but let's not make a mistake. I mean, we have
free agency in college football, and the kids at times
go to work. They're gonna paid the most. So no
one else is saying that. Maybe, but you know, two
kids say this is what I'm getting here for an isle,
you know, And so what we really have it is
what it is. You know, free agency has been created
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in college football. You know, I can go, except you
can't lock people into a contract. You know, they can
go at any time. So it's a new world that
we're in, you know. And sometimes they want to come
and even say, I'm I get this much money if
I go there. So this is just a whole whole
new thing to deal with. So I mean, listen, it
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sounds like somebody speaking the truth a little bit. There.
We Uh, just got a got an issue with Lane
and the Lane Trainlo you want to you want to
take it first. Now you know I want you too,
because you're a lot closer to it with as much
coaching as you do, you know, with these high school kids.
So I feel like you've you've probably have a great
perspective on this and just how it's all going down.
Right now, let me start. Let me start here. If
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if you are a tremendously valued player, you have always
been weighted, measured and value that way throughout the history
of sport. That has not changed in that regard. They
made the movie Blue Chip before you saw the movie,
the program and different things like that. You know he
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got game right, Friends, friends of a friend, friends of
a family, and cool. A lot of people make come
ups off of the talent of of these guys. But
that is a very very limited amount of people you're
speaking on. So while I'll agree with the premise of
what Lane was saying, these guys are players. Are all
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free agents there every single year. If people aren't aware
of this, you should be aware of it. A scholarship
kid has to renew his contract for his scholarship every
single year. Yes, I said his or her contract. You're
signing a yearly contract to get a free education, to
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get your books paid for, to have a dormitory. All
of those things are on a spreadsheet. Every player is
on a spreadsheet. So now when you talk about having
a transfer portal, and you can, you can just opt
out of being out of school where you at one
point time would be punished for for leaving, you get
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punished for transferring. And and that became a large conversation
because coaches could leave and didn't have to sit out,
but players did. Now you add in the n I
L situation, and I ultimately say, because the rules aren't
very very pronounced and everybody's trying to kind of figure
out how to to move through, this free agency at
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the college level is indeed what it becomes because all
of these businesses that are are reliant on their local
football teams to to win and have success, that becomes
an investment of sorts, right Like, if we can get
this great player from this this area to come to
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our school and play for our school, then they're going
to make our school better. And if our school is better,
if our team is winning, then that's going to improve
the traffic of people coming here. It's going to improve
the economy. So now you have businesses that have a
more vested interest in getting involved with these athletes that
are either coming out of high school or are already
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in college. And so it does become almost in a way, uh,
free agent. Free agents are are the high profile ones
are courted, they're recruited, and they're talked to to come
to these these different you know, franchises, like like what
Aaron Rodgers said, Look, people are coming here for Aaron Rodgers.
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They're not coming here for Green Bay. So when you
look at or you listen to what Elaine Kiffin's saying,
a team like a school like Alabama or a school
like Clemson, where you know that the investment goes into
the from the boosters, the donors, the communities, the schools
that have that type of support, that gap seemingly may
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get bigger in terms of of getting talent because now
you actually legally in a way can acquire your talent
for your school. Now. So yeah, it is free agency.
I think it's free agency to because of the transfer portal.
Like those two things work hand in hand where kids
are able to leave and jump ship and not be
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penalized for it. So and and look, I think whether
or not you think that's right or wrong, that's probably
for another conversation debate. But the reality is, and this
is just truly what I believe, like we're we ventured
into a new era in amateur athletics, if you still
want to call it that, And now we're I think
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universities who have been making a ton of money for
a while working off free labor are now having to
deal with the reality that the model has changed. The
money that they were receiving from marketing purposes and so
forth from those companies you talked about our boosters, if
you're want to throw them into this, that usually went
to the university that you'd see those signs put up
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anywhere else around the stadium and all that. Now it's
going towards the player. Now it's being represented by the
player promoting that product, good service, whatever the case may be.
And and that's how that model has changed the university
and receiving that money anymore. They can't facilitate or directly
facilitate these deals. So those same boosters and clubs and
universities and schools and all that they're looking for other
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avenues to go to get those players and get them there,
but compensate them a different fashion with name, image and
likeness money. Now the reality is, though, and I'm I'm
I'm a believer in this, you know, I think free
markets end up figuring themselves out. If you are one
of those boosters and you keep giving money to these
kids who are coming out of high school and they
don't pan out or they jump ship. Right if if
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you're you know, quin yours who goes to Ohio State,
he's able to take advantage of a loophole where he
can leave the state of Texas where he can't make
n I L money in the state of Texas because
he's still in high school. But if he reclassifies, he
could leave go to Columbus. He can make this money
for name, image and likeness, sit there in Ryan Days
system for your practice football and all that make money,
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and then bounce right back down to the University of Texas.
That's what he did, folks, That's what he did. That's
all legal. It's nothing wrong with what he did. But
let's not get a twisted. That wasn't a football decision.
That was a business decision. And so that that's the
problem with this model. And then why I'm telling you
the name, image and likeness and the ability for athletes
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to make money off that is directly linked to the
transfer portal because if you had made it where Quinn
yours would have to sit out a year if he
wants to transfer, he loses that year of eligibility. Now
it changes the dynamic a little bit because at some point,
as much as you want to make decisions based off name,
image and likeness, those are business decisions. They only go
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so far because what you did in football in high school,
you gotta eventually play in college. You have to venture
we do something, and so so no, I think you
do for this reason because for every single one of
the Quinn yeers there is out there that's a big
hyped up recruit out of high school or whatever, there's
gonna be enough players that end up not panning out
where if I was a guy who was giving money
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to any of these players for a name, image and
likeness deals, I don't want to see them play. I
want to see him play at the college level. And
so maybe it's a kid that you're getting that's coming
from a group of five school. Maybe it's a kid
who wants to transfer from one Power five program like
Spencer Raller, Austin Stagger, who's already done something. We've already
seen them at Oklahoma, who wants to go to South Carolina.
And now I got some South Carolina boosters who want
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to help give those guys some name, image and like
this money, But I'd want to see that product first.
So I think the model is going to continue to
keep evolving and changing where you know, these boosters, these
people aren't gonna want to pay kids that are not
known commodities come out of high school. Maybe a something
some of those recruits, but not all of them. And
it will eventually figure itself out. But you know, we
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kind of got off with you know what today is.
Today is the beginning of that journey. You know, today's
National sign Day. It's the early signing period, which that's
in and of itself its own topic because they need
to they need to change the date on this thing.
And I already think there are people who are looking
at it. Greg Sanky particular, the commissioner of the SEC,
who said, I told you so, you wouldn't have an
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early signed a period December fifte guess what, There's gonna
be some unattended consequences that come along with it. Do
you get would you rather be a recruiter in today's
college football climate or ten years ago? Ten years ago? Yeah?
And also it's and I think there was probably people
that you know, and look, we know, nobody's naive enough
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to think that there wasn't you know, anybody getting something,
you know, years and years ago when it came to
you know, come here and we'll take care of this.
And we've seen the stories and people getting busted or
caught doing it. But I think there was also maybe
some people who were still nut it's not worth the risk. Nuts,
you didn't have that many, that many sharp arcs in
the water. Now it feels like there are so many
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avenues to where you can offer, But I don't think
there was as many as there are now because now
it feels like there are so many people who want
to get it. But yeah, but I don't think that
as many as there are now being meaning that you've
got all these other local businesses, all these other people
that look at this and go, oh, this is our
time to get a little bit notoriety as well to
look barstool Sports. The w w E is doing name
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image likeness now with with kids all over the country.
I don't think that would have existed years ago, and
that many kids would have been It wouldn't have, but
it could have. And and all of the people that
will get active now we'll get active because they've always
been active. I hope you'll understood what I just hit Youallwood,
just know I understand what you're saying. I do think
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there's a degree of it that there might have been
some people on the fence. Like I'll put it this way,
if you were a sports better at gambler, you probably
had a bookie before it became legalized in your state.
Like like to your point, you were always that guy,
You're always that guy. But here's here's the reality is,
once it became legalized, there's a lot of people who
didn't want to take the risk, who more maybe on
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defence that now we're like, hey, i'll start an account,
start up. And so I think those people who were
on the sidelines, like kind of stepping across the line
or maybe dipping their toe in the water, now those
people have said what's legal. So I don't need to
feel guilty about there, so I don't need to feel
like I'm gonna get myself in trouble or my company
or someone else. And I think you've got companies who
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understand social media platforms that some of these kids have,
but also how that they can give a merch deal,
like they're giving up merchandise not even paying real cash,
and these kids are willing to sign on for it
and help their business. Like that's a powerful thing. Now.
You know, maybe that was going on back in the
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past too, but it can't be as prevalent because if
those kids are receiving merchandise or some sort of order product,
they couldn't advertise it right, like they had to keep
it on the low. Now these kids are like promoting
it like, hey, dude, this is what you need to have.
I'm glad you brought up the social media aspect of it,
because that was what I was going to put to
your point of these these businesses want to see the
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product that they're investing in there there r o I
has now shifted to not only on the football field,
it's shifted to what their interactions are, their customer acquisition,
and that's coming through social media. So while a guy
may never pan out. There's there's two times, right as
as a coach, this is I've learned this as a
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as of late. There are two times a kid is
most valuable in their career. And and to to define times,
one is when they're coming out of coming out of
high school and they're being recruited. And if you're a
fourth star, if you're a five star, even if you're
a three star, your your you have a a value
connected to your star rating. There's a there is a
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monetary value connected to your rating. So now once you
go into college, your value is at its highest coming
in as that four or five star, three star player.
Everybody values that. The school values it. They put a
dollar amount on it. The businesses they value it. They
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know the dollar amount on it. Now, what you do
from there will dictate if you're able to hit that
second that second time that your most valuable, which is
you become a a legitimate NFL prospect. That means you
could be an award winner, that means you're an All American,
you're All Conference, whatever it may be. You have now
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placed yourself in a position to be that second time
most valuable in your career at that level, so you
get one time per level. Really basically, in high school
it's your stars. In college it's your it's your awar,
in your draft stock, your draft status, and then from
there it doesn't matter. But the bottom line to that
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is is that these these companies are looking at real,
real customer acquisition, real followership versus non followers like AI
artificial intelligence, right, and in that scenario, they are going
to look at the value of a high school fourth
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star coming out and having twenty followers. Those are real
followers versus a guy that that's in college or or
in the pros that we don't you don't really know
what the value is on their followership, but you do
know that you can get customer acquisition through the followings
of these players out of high school, in college, in
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pro and that's where the value is, Like it's a data.
I just hope that some of these kids have somebody
in their ear talking about long term because that's what
I do. You know, most of us need to be
doing it because because some of these like they could
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be looking at this going, man, I can get this amount,
Now what am I waiting for? When it's like okay,
hold on, but but there you got to think big picture.
If this works out, there's opportunities. No, I'm just saying, well, yeah,
never mind, there would be someone who makes more money
being just a personality and an influencer that was a really,
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really good football player that that had a projection to
be like an All American go into the pros. They'll
make more money than a guy that ends up being
an All American and goes Top ten or you know,
top twenty in the National Football League, just based off
of where the current climate and environment. They've made more
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money as boxers than guys that have been boxing for
twenty years, Like just just based on their their followers.
I was gonna say, but that's what was based upon.
It was based upon the empire, the loyal following that
they build on social media, and that's what people are
investing in. And that's that's what makes this really dangerous
because that's anybody can go out there and get that following.
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Now it becomes how do I acquire And kids don't
even realize it, but it's how do I acquire my
clientele my community, because that's where you do businesses within
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Sorry for the anagains. You remember that scene. Come on,
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I'm a homegirl Danny clip for years on my old
old show. It is a classic. Yeah, you gotta look
that one up. Hey, by the way, Petro every all
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the homiies we're getting so oh yeah, the terrible scene
across the street that Duvall's turning to clean up and didn't.
Then then he finds out, you know, he was sharing
and uh, you know, just terrible for everybody involved. Yeahs off.
By the way, did you get to the Whiskey a
Go Go last night? P I was listening to the
show You and Matt when Smith tickets to I don't
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go to shows anymore, and I used to go to
concert I used to go to a concert every night,
you know, weirdo concerts for freaks, but concerts nonetheless. One
of the first ones I ever went to. I went
to see a band called Gossip and uh it was
a three piece band with a really uh uh probably
like a four ft eleven, two hundred and sixty pound
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lead singing girl and uh, Beth did oh and I came.
I went to one of their shows, and I was
by myself because I couldn't get anybody to go with me.
And uh, I was standing and like they were like,
you know a lot of dudes with like nipple tassels
and leader hosens and stuff. And I was just trying
to kind of keep to myself at the bar. And
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then the show started and I was standing there and
the girl came on stage like Ricky Lake in a
hair spray with the big giant thing. Said this was
the Blue Oyster. Well it was called the Echoes, and
then she did a sprint and did a cannonball right
unto my face. Stuck the yeah, she s After that,
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I kept going to shows. So I used to really
love going to concerts, but I don't. I'm married now
and I live far away from the city. So you've
had a physical You've had a physical altercation with the
lead singer. What's the bands? I wouldn't call it a
physical altercation. She just dove into the crowd, you know,
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like she was breaking a wedge on a kickoff back
when you could do that right on your face face
was the wedge? It was three you know, tight end
types or fullbacks holding hands. Were you mortified, were you excited?
Or were you confused? Probably this was just before after
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you run ends with that oars you're on when you
guys just butt heads. You were prepared for all this?
Oh yeah, I've been through the wars. I was tired.
Good morning everybody. How don't I ask you anything? Serious?
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Home girl, Brady, what do you want? Train for years?
Oh my god, choo choo. Oh no, it's National Signing Day.
Thank you, thank you, thank you. What are your thoughts?
Taco places in the little I knew we were never
(36:48):
going to get to anything because I had National Signing Day?
How does it? No? No, I'm just I'm curious to
get your thoughts on whether or not you like it.
Like I mean, I feel like it takes away from
a lot of that senior year of high school, last
year high school, I guess I should say nowadays. Yeah,
I remember we had a guy when a back way
back when I was playing. We had one of those
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early entry guys and he ended up getting drafted. Jacob
Rodgers ended up playing old line for the Dallas Cowboys.
He we brought him in as a tight end and
a punter, and uh, I just remember feeling so bad
for him. You know, he's this big, goofy guy and
here he is with a bunch of freaking you know,
(37:29):
the kind of the type of dudes that pac Man
was trying to police. Look at me, you know, and
it's like this guy should be at the prom, right
he should be drinking light beer in the back of
a van somewhere, you know, in a forest, and uh,
you kind of feel for them. But at the same time,
(37:50):
you know, when you make football your life and you're
a college bound football player, you make a lot of sacrifices.
And I think that's part of it. You know, these
guys going into school early, that's that's part of it.
I admire the guys that like kind of stay back
and do their thing, But then you get into camp
and your head is spinning and they're trying to install
(38:13):
zone and you don't even know what you're looking at. So,
I mean, we really hit the nase button on these
kids with college football and the way things work in
college football, and because of that, I think everybody's trying
to get a leg up on everybody. I think you'll
start seeing more of the John David Booty J T.
Daniels model. You know, hold the kid back in eighth
(38:36):
grade and then send him to college after his junior year. Wow,
you know, and that man, Okay, we talked about that
another time, because that's that is a you just opened up.
That's a Pandora's box. Of a much bigger conversation, especially
with all of these new schools that are popping up. Um,
(38:57):
and you know what I'm talking about, those those reclassification schools. Uh.
But like I don't know what great anybody is anything anymore?
Doing the games. They'd be like to see, does he
have another year left? And it's saying, I don't know,
he's gonna walk for senior day and then he's gonna
transfer somewhere else. Um. You know what's crazy is it
got so real you started seeing kids in high school
(39:17):
drinking beers after games and smoking cigarettes. It's like, hey,
what's going on? Like, hey, he's twenty one. I mean
the kid is legal, He's allowed to do it. Um, no, no,
I'm joking. But pop, let me let me ask you
about laying Kiffin coming out and saying, you know, the
premium on on free agents is going to become very
interesting and and become prominent in college sports right now.
(39:40):
And now I would assume you being a guy who's
you know, is a usc type of guy. I mean,
you got to think that this gives a guy that
comes to coach for this team an opportunity to build
his his team up very quickly through the free agency pool. Correct. Yeah,
it's a two way street. First of all, that's rich
from if in considering his history kids being able to leave.
(40:04):
It's like, I don't know how a lot of these
coaches stand up there and say stuff like that with
a straight face and two kids aren't really that quick
to leave. I mean, we see the transfer portal, we
see a lot of movement because they can. And it's
a very unique time because of what happened with COVID
and the eligibility is spinning out of control, like we said,
(40:25):
But not everybody's just ready to leave, you know what
I mean. You guys know what it's like to be
playing at a college. It's not exactly the most convenient
thing in the world to be like, Okay, you know what,
I'm taking this, this whole thing to Colorado State. You know,
most transferred. I know that I thought about I think
everybody has had a moment what I thought about transferring,
(40:45):
thinking about it and calling the mover, you know, two
different telling your parents and the whole thing, you know,
I mean, that's it's it's different. But I agree with you,
you know, I think that, uh, it is a quick
fix for a lot of people, but you also have
to be careful and you can bring in two or
three or four guys that are really never gonna become you.
(41:08):
You know, they're never going to assimilate into what you're doing,
and that can be a big risk. You know, We've
seen people make mistakes with who they've brought in, and
if you bring in too many mistakes, all of a sudden,
you have a culture problem on your team. So these
guys are gonna have to be uh cautious about how
they do things. But there's no doubt that it is
a really interesting time. I mean, if you think about
(41:31):
just how quickly things have changed. In August, Spencer Rattler
and Keaton Slovi's we're both going to the NFL at
the end of the year. They were both in the
Heisman conversation. They both had these giant and I A
L deals. We couldn't stop talking about them, and they
both got One got run off by Lincoln Riley this week.
(41:52):
One got benched by Lincoln Riley during the season, and
now they're both in the portal and the NFL is
not in the immediate future. So life comes at you fast,
you know, Uh, it's never been moving faster in college football.
I guess do you think college football is in a
better place now than what it was when you were playing?
(42:13):
In some ways? Yeah, the players are way more protected.
You know that. We can't they can't just do three
days like they used to with us. They can't. Seriously,
you don't like those. You didn't like those petros? Continental Breakfast?
What helmet for dessert? What did those look like? What
do the three days look like? Breast cereal? And they
(42:35):
get up at five Continental breakfast, some bagels and what
that was basically an apple? And uh. Then you get
all out in helmets and jerseys and uh shorts and
work individual work and get a good lather for about
an hour and ten. Then you go back and put
(42:57):
on full pads and do a full practice with that
adds fifty play run drail to it. And then you
go have lunch, A minute nap, yeah whatever, take your
twenty minute nap, which is worse than sleeping at all.
Back into meetings, Back into the meeting, fall asleep in
the meeting room while you watch the film, even though
it's all hot and dark, and go back and do
the same process all over again, same practice, and then
(43:19):
back to meetings till ten o'clock. Uh, and then go
back and yeah, make sure you get your homework done
by the way. No, no, we don't. Wait, we're not
in school yet unless you try to get eligible of
our Oh well, yeah, I guess that's true. He's still
working with the clearing up. Yeah, and that happens a
lot of times. Oh yeah, so all that language, I mean,
(43:41):
we're all very used to that. So they used to
be able to do that to us, you know. Uh
and a fifty play run drill, and that's I mean,
they still do it at Alabama. That's why they're good.
Uh yeah, but but they can't really do that to
you anymore. And as a guy who calls games, you know,
and called games through back when you could peel back
(44:03):
block on anybody and knock anybody's face clean off, and
you would just go out and say during the week
that our goal is to knock the quarterback out of
the game, like that kind of stuff when I was
first calling games. Has given way to targeting and and
all of those different things. And that transition, though, it
has been painful. And sometimes you see a targeting call
(44:25):
and they kick a kid out of a game, and
you're just you just hate yourself for for being involved
in it, but that we are safer with the way
we hit each other. I mean there's no there really
is no way around that. That's the truth. So that's
a good thing too. So I guess it's in a
better place and there's more money being made, but we
still got to find a way for the schools to
(44:47):
compensate the players. Having Billy Bob's grain elevator down the
road paying the running back at Arkansas is not It
does not solve the problem. And the breathless, lovely cover
of that all summer like oh this is great, all
change the world. Wat's like no, No, the colleges are
making billions. They need to compensate the people at risk
(45:10):
that are playing the revenue sports and until we figure
that out, we're not going to be that great at
place had to change title nine. Man, can I wonder
who would say that? Can I stop you from being
able to do an n I L deal based off
like what if it was like an adult entertainment place
that wanted to offer a deal for you to support
their venue? Well, like who, I don't know. The answer is,
(45:33):
technically they're not supposed to accept those sorts of deals.
But there's no hard writing like there used to be
um language that prohibited schools obviously for taking money from
I think it's kind of like a syntax, right, like porn, alcohol, tobacco,
those sorts of things. Who knows if that changes though,
but that technically, I think is how they view it.
(45:54):
Look at that you introduced the Notre Dame coach and
you all of a sudden, man, you got the rule
book in your head like Pereira. He's on his way.
He's on his way there, he's on Aric administrator. Brady,
you're gonna Jonas. Jonas has already started. He's been plugging
his Saturday dip. So Brady's gonna end up going to
Notre Dame and being the A d I thinking coach.
(46:15):
He's gonna be breaking news that Brady is gonna be
the next days in three weeks, and we're very concerned.
I could see that Brady would be as dope ass
a d No. No, I'm not trying to hold you
on national sure, are you sure? Petros? I wouldn't be
more like Mike Bonerdo you don't even know, Scott, You
(46:36):
don't even know, I see you as kind of a
high brid Give me a little more radio, give I
see you as deem Wurmer and principles. Give me a
microphone a look look around kind the recruiting of the
day today, Ley now, now, Joan is now your guy?
(47:04):
What's your guy again? Harry carry? Oh, Harry Harry carry? Now?
Now can we do bon Arino with Cary? Can we
match the two up? Because jukebox this might be the
dopest moment in radio history. Right now, Tom to old
juice was a wild hair, the suck of the Bouldrino
(47:24):
is up to bath. You know, rino spelled back words
is a rubber ba hill, Oh man, get him on
(47:45):
Twitter at the old tea. I don't know what we
accomplished today, but it was fun. This is me, This
is fair. By the way, how old is that movie?
Thirty years got to be thirty years old enough for
(48:05):
Sean Penna throw damon Wayne's on a grill. The name
of the gang, the one that had Mario Lopez and
uh the white guy from camp buy me love Cannon?
You know what was it? Crips Hey? That was where
they were up on the hill where they were so
(48:27):
good so good I can't laugh anymore no more, I
have no more energy to left. Alright, Uh, Petros will
do it again next week. We never know where the
hell it's gonna go. It just goes. It just doesn't Still,
(48:47):
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