December 31, 2021 • 40 mins
Friday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, Jonas Knox, Brady Quinn and LaVar Arrington celebrate Football Friday and wonder if the Browns will play spoiler to Big Ben in his last game at Heinz Field. Brady tells Colin Cowherd why it truly matters how players and coaches leave their teams. Plus, what the future holds for Russell Wilson outside of Seattle.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It's the best of two pros and a couple of
Joe with LaVar Areas, Rady Quinn and Jonas Knocks on
Fox Sports Radio. You know, we did say it's a
football Friday, but it could be the last football Friday.
In fact, I'm gonna say right now it is the
last football Friday as far as a home game goes
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for Ben Roethlisberger, as the Pittsburgh Steelers will be taken
on the Cleveland Browns coming up on Monday night. And
Ben Roethlisberger spoke with the media on Thursday about his
status and how he views this being possibly his final
home game at Hinesfield. I don't ever speak in definite
or guarantee. That's just not what I've ever done or
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who I am. But you know, looking at the bigger picture,
I would say that all signs are pointed this this
could be it. I've been so blessed to play in
front of the best fans in all the sports at
the best venue, and what better way to have a
last regulive season potential game in Monday night football against
the division opponent, And you know, it's just it's just special.
So I got a lot of focus on still for
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this year, in this game, um and that that's got
to be it right now. And the only thing standing
in his way from a fairytale ending is uh Brady
Quinn's Cleveland Browns who can run it right? You know what?
And I wish I was there to start and play
and spoil this for Ben Roethlisberg. I swear to you
we were knocked out of the playoffs the one year
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we beat him on Thursday night, and it was one
of the greatest feelings ever just to be from just
to be from Columbus, growing up a Browns fan, knowing
that you could spoil the postseason for some Steelers, it
was the greatest thing ever I could imagine that that's
a great feeling. Um. And and you know, to the
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point of it being a rivalry game, um, so to speak,
for this to be uh potentially Ben's last game, I
think that they're going to go into the game with
that type of energy as well. I mean, you know,
you could make this a better season by having a
better season, you know if if you're really looking at it,
I mean, it's it's coming down to the wire for
for both teams to be able to make it into
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into the playoffs, and you know, this does put a
little bit more at stake depending on how much you
know these guys care about Ben Roethlisberger. And I would
I would assume that that these guys have an affinity,
a healthy affinity for him, or he probably wouldn't have
been back for this last season. So uh, you know,
when you look at it, I think it makes for
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a super entertaining game to watch because obviously the playoffs
are are at you know, on stage online. But but
the the the actual meaning of this game, this could
be the greatest quarterback. I mean, am i am I
the term if I say this could be the last
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home game of the greatest quarterback. Not not just a
Hall of Fame quarterback or a really good quarterback for
this franchise, he's probably the greatest quarterback to ever play
for the franchise. You know what the crime is in
all this is a lot of people who are watching
Ben now aren't gonna have any idea, like especially the
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younger generation. And it's crazy because it's not like Ben's
that old, and he's really not that old yet they're
not They're not going to remember what he was like
when he first came in the league. Like a lot
of those kids, those formulive years where you get through
you like your junior high, high school years, where you
really start watching football paying attention, like those years. I mean,
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it hasn't been quite the same for him been of late,
Whereas if you looked earlier, he was so much fun
to watch. The way he would be able to shrug
off the fenders in the pocket, make big throws downfield,
kind of scramble around. He he really did have a
style to him in a way in manner in which
he played that like kind of combined just playing the
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game and a little bit of backyard football to it.
It just made it fun and you can you kind
of forget about those days like chuck at balls down
field with um, you know, Mike Wallace and Higus Heines Awards,
Antonio Holmes, like all the guys when he first got there.
You forget about something that he probably has one of
the most legendary throws in Super Bowl history. Anton I mean,
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there's no more clutch throw than that one. I mean,
that's that's about it, man. I mean that's it's almost
a walk off. He nearly ruined American Underdog. I mean
just with that throw. It's terrible what he did a
Kurt Warner. They're just awful with the near Did I
mean I think that movie might uh well, yeah, I'm
not really sure. I'm not really sure about can you
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be an underdog if you're born like six ft four
to forty, aren't you already blessed with an advantage in
life if you're built, like if you're born bigger than people.
There's a reason Peter Dinklin, she wasn't the lead actor
in that movie. You know, like it's it's not not
exactly the most you know, heartwarm, and I could be
off by the way. I mean, Warner might only be
like six ft that he but it's all right, we
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get what you're saying. You know, he did have some
physical tools. Well we'll say that. Do you remember when
Ben Roethlisberger was announced as the starter and I think
Tommy Maddox was injured, If I'm not mistaken, Tommy, I
know how Tommy Maddox got into that that that starting position.
How so you know I got nicknamed the quarterback Killer.
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I know some people think Warren sapp is, but I
actually got the nickname because I was really killing quarterbacks.
And and that that preseason of Cordale stores less last
year there. And you can ask anybody who was on
this team. It was a preseason game and my cousin,
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he was fighting cancer at the time since passed away.
Um was on the sideline I had on with Jersey
on and everything from Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh's my team. Like you said,
you love to ruin the game for them, being a
Cleveland UH player and being from Ohio. So being from Pittsburgh,
you play against Pittsburgh. I wanted to destroy him, like
dog him. And we're playing against him, and Cordell right
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out the gate does a naked boot and thinks that
he can get the corner because he's slash and if
you know slash, you know generally speaking, he's going to
get the corner, get about five ten, fifteen, maybe twenty
yards because he's faster than everybody, and get out of
bouncing and you know, you keep going. Well, he does
this this naked boot, and he does the naked boot
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to my side, and he wasn't gonna make it because
he wasn't gonna be faster than me. And and I
did the whole you know, I told you guys how you.
You get a hold of him. You you you you slam
them down, and that's how you get them, right. So
I get him on the sideline, I get him, slam him.
He hits his head off the ground. I jump up,
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I look at him. He tries to jump up, he
goes back down. Cordell Store was never the same player
after that play, and they ended up having to bench
him for Tommy Maddox. There you go, Tommy Maddox is starting,
and then you remember when Tommy Maddox was starting and
didn't start, and then Ben Roethlisberger got his opportunity. So indirectly,
this Pittsburgh kid is actually kind of responsible for the
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super Bowl that they got with Ben Roethlisberger. Thank god
I got in the leg after you did. You would
have made my cit shorter than it already was. I mean,
I was, I was trying. I was trying to tear quarterbacks.
You know. It was. It was running backs too, but
it was different. It was different because running backs knew it.
Quarterbacks is not so much because it's not like we're
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looking at each other like all right, he's gonna hit
me ten times today, all right, all right? I did
a segway then and asked you something because look, and
I don't want to get too long winning because I
know we've got to take a break in the clock
and all stuff. Part Scott said something this past week
about now there's gonna be a bounty on Joe Burrow
essentially like the hit. Why well, because of the way
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they played the past two games against them and what
they did this most recent one, and that like Baltimore
is not gonna forget that. Defenses won't forget that. But
in particular Baltimore and I just looking and go, ah,
this league is different now, bro, Like it ain't when
you guys used to play. And you can kind of
tell and feel that, like, and I'll be honest with you,
it wasn't even that. I felt like defenders took that approach,
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were like there were certain unwritten rules that we're going
to be enforced. The officials took that approach like you
weren't getting the same calls as a quarterback if you
weren't Tom Brady as far as late hits and all
that stuff, or the way they hit you. I mean,
it wasn't the same. Like, I don't I don't see
this NFL being anywhere close to what it was back
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when Bart's got played or when you play. But tell
me if I'm wrong, No, you're you're not. I mean, god,
here's the thing, right if it was say like, let's
use me and you as an example. If if I
saw you off the field, I'd be like, man, that's
that's freaking Brady Quinn Like dang, like that's Brady on
the field. It's like I'm going to eff and rip
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your head off of your neck, off of your shoulders,
and I'm hand it to you and say here's your
head back, bro, But after the game and be like, man,
you're okay, how's your head? Can can anybody helps him
put that back on? Yeah? Right? I just I think
everybody loves each other these days, like social media, everybody's
hanging out with one another. Everybody. You know what it is? Kids?
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Stop fighting? Kids stop? Remember when you used to get
an argum when you're young with your buddy and then
it actually goes you fight a little bit, But what
you fight? Okay, all right, we got it out. We
figured out. Yeah that your system? Anything about that? Hey,
I got my asspet by my product, my entire life,
my entire life, I got hit. I got I got
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a shovel taken to my face in the street in
front of my house. Swear to God on that by
it by a sibling. That's a true story. See here's
the thing is Jonah said I had these talks. Trust me,
he's been through many of those talked about. That's because
that's I think it's played a relationship to sports. Were like,
you don't, you don't to that point, like you don't
see that anymore where guys, you know, really getting fights
and can be cool afterwards. It just doesn't happen. It's
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almost like you're watching the movie and kids are like,
I'd never do that, or I do something like that,
but then the bar scene actually happens in real life
and the kid just looks down at his phone, starts tweeting,
starts trash on social media. We lived in a barbary,
very chaotic time in terms of I think I like
it better how manhood was defined and you know the
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physicality of went into daily living and you know, whether
you were strong, tough or if you were soft, like
that stuff actually really mattered, you know, and it doesn't
it doesn't really matter. Like you're you're able to express
yourself in so many different ways. The parameters have been
pushed so far out, um, and sometimes it's so far
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out now that it's kind of kind of hard to
comprehend it because you you're like, all right, well, what
are you going for here? You know, if you know
what I mean? And and the idea of it is
is that they're just you know, kids these days expressed
themselves artistically through so many different ways and forms and
fashions that it's just, you know, it's it's definitely a
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different interpretation of how the world around us works. I mean, well,
even back in the day, it was you know, fight
breaks out, grabbed the nearest bar stool. Now it's uh,
you know, grabbing bone, making TikTok video, get it on camera.
So so in case you can file a complaint against somebody,
it's you know, the game has changed. Um. By the way,
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are we all in agreement? This is it? Ben Roethlisberger
never plays after this season? Or do you think he's
actually gonna give it a go. I think I think
that's just it. But I'll say this, I think it
would be appropriate to if he beats Cleveland only because
he's an Ohio guy. Man, he's from Finlay and that's
the scene the past fun him. I'm sure he would
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have loved to have gone there initially have been their
quarterback forever. So I think that it happens to be
Monday night, that happens to be this team is extra
meaningful for him and what I think will be his
last game. It's I think it will be his last
game as a Steeler. I just don't know if it
might sourcefully or no, no, no choice be his last
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game as a pro. You know it'll be uh, I
think he might want to try though. It's gonna be
fun to watch, but at least he had a little
mini farewell tour. If this is it, you know, made
sure to get that out of the world. Be sure
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Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app. Here's
the the situation that went down, Um Colin Cowherd, Fox
Sports Radio Brethren here you can hear him nine to
noon Pacific time, noon to three Eastern time here on
many of these Fox Sports Radio affiliates. Uh, he said
out a tweet that said the following quote, Oklahoma fans
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don't quite get it. You do realize if it pisces
you off. A coach left, that's because he was good.
Gator fans celebrated ron Zook leaving. Wolverine fans celebrated similarly
with Brady Hoke and stop with the it's how he
left bs great athletes. Head coaches always leave on their terms.
End tweet, to which Brady Quinn replied, Yeah, we'll get
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into that tomorrow on the show. So the four heres,
Brady Quinn, and I'm assuming you took issue with the
tweet by Collon guard Well, I take issue with this
for a number of reasons. One because it's really solely
based around his opinion. It's just his opinion, and he's
talking down to Oklahoma fans like they can't have their
opinion or their side and all of this. And let
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me just take you to a couple of examples. Lebron James,
same class in high school as Lebron James. We actually
tried to get him to come down to the U. S.
Army All American Game. Dumb as that sounds right to
play in it in San Antonio, Texas when I was
a senior in high school, because we wanted to try
to come down br wide receiver, right, he was that
good at that athlete did even play a senior year
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high school football. Only last year he played was junior year,
and we were still trying to recruit him to come
down and play because he was that good at football too,
And obviously he decided not to come. I think we
even brought on like one of his high school teammates
just to see if just to see if he would
he would still come down to ly show up in
the game. So I've I had known Lebron a little
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bit from that, but obviously when I got drafted to Cleveland,
had the chance to meet him, be around that crew
a little bit for the few years I was there,
and obviously watched them throughout his entire career. Have always
been a fan of him. When he decided to leave
Cleveland the first time, to me, it was never something
that I was like emotionally attached to or didn't understand
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the reasons as to why he was leaving. When he left,
it was like pouring gastly net on the fire. Because
of how he did it because of how he left,
Like do you remember the decision? Do you guys remember
like what he was actually doing at the decision that day.
He's raising money for charity exactly, But is that what
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anyone remembers from that day? They remember him going on
national television in Akron, Ohio, which is close proximity to Cleveland,
and telling everyone and even the way he said it.
It wasn't that he said he was going to go
to the Miami Heat and try to win the championships
or go with the legendary pat Riley and Dwyane Wade
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these other guys. He said, I'm taking my talents to
South Beach like that that I mean, that could be
You can take that out of context wherever you want
and whatever industry you want. But it was the way
he said it. It was the way he did it.
That was. But that was what infuriated hands. That's what
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made it visceral. That's what made them upset about how
he left. It wasn't that he left. There was a
lot of people who understood that Dan Gilbert is not
a good owner or they they felt like he wasn't
a good owner at that time and didn't do enough
to help surround Lebron to give him what he needed
to win a championship. You know, I went to that
game four that when they got swept in the finals,
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and and took my dad and watched that firsthand. And
you all collectively and sitting around people talking about it,
you're like, he needs help, he needs more. This isn't
enough to help him win a championship. And a lot
of people were understanding of that, especially Cleveland Cavaliers fans.
And now the second time that might be a little
bit different story. But the reality is it wasn't that
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he left. It was how he left, because that's all
we remember is how he left and how he chose
to even though he was trying to do it for
a great cause. It was a decision. And that's just
one example, right Tom Brady. That Tom Brady leaving New
England Patriots. I mean, there was it like there was
a ton of people who were sitting there and burning
jerseys and so forth, and why because of how he left.
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He did it in a classy manner. And granted he
had a ton of success there, so what are you
gonna say at that point in time? But also there
was a way in which he went about doing it,
that it didn't ruffle the feathers of fans. People. People
realize at that point in time, hey this this thing's
come to its end. But they both did it in
classy ways that allowed him to separate and move on.
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And so there wasn't this like outrage about all of it.
And so look, if if Lincoln Riley or any other
coach you would have put into that during the college
football coaching cycle, if they wanted to leave, is it
gonna sting? Sure? But the reality is, like to sit
there and talk down to fan bases and act like
you're some omnipotent being when you're really just giving your opinion.
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Because the reality is if they had handled a little
bit different and not done it over at twenty four
hour period and not felt like you know, they needed
to do at a certain way, it would feel different.
No different than the difference between Lebron and Tom and
how both those guys ended up believing to go other places.
It's how they left, That's what I mean. It's no
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different than a relationship when you get a bad breakup.
I mean, at some point relationships end. When you have
a bad breakup, you're much less than tune to ever
talk to that person ever again. It's probably more scarring,
it's probably something you remember, but it's more amicable. You
end up kind of walking away going of if I
see them again, I'd say a lower and maybe we
catch up down the road or something like that. Maybe
if we work in the same you know, business or industry,
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we you know, maybe you know, help kind of share
some business here there or something like that. But to me,
it's always how it ends. It's always how you left,
because when you don't do it the right way, that's
when you get that sort of emotion from people. And
so I couldn't disagree anymore about all of it. I
mean you could, I can. I can give you any
example you want of when I was cut and how
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a team would handle it versus how a team you
know didn't handle it. I mean, there's there's there's different
examples of it. But I just think that's an opinion
that is solely to him. So, you know, stop speaking
town to a fan base that is sitting there right
now feeling good about where they're at with Breton Venables
the future of the job that Bob Stoops did it
just it doesn't make any sense to me taking such
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a hard stance on it, you know. Ow further your point,
you use an example of of an athlete to who
much has given much is required. We're talking about a coach.
And when and when you talk about what the level
of of accountability is for the leader of the flock,
not a pair, but the leader. When you handle things
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in a certain manner, it just it doesn't it doesn't
feel good. It will be like a pastor changing, you know,
changing churches. So like, you know, I got a bigger church.
I got a bigger, better church. I'm gonna go over here,
uh within twenty four hours, you know, like if you
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want to hear my my sermon, come here, transfer to
this church, son, Holy spirits. He guys, there you go.
You know, I just think that there's something to be
said about that, because listen, there are so many there
are so many things that that young people are are
thinking about when they go to a school to play.
There are a lot of things that they don't know.
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There are a lot of things that the parents are
thinking about, and there are a lot of things that
the parents don't know. And sometimes you don't get the
opportunity to really sit back and assess things at its
face value, because there's so many things that you have
to entertain for yourself. One of the things that I
would immediately think if I went to USC is will
he do it to us? And do I want to
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go play out of school? Where can I can I
trust that for at least three years if I'm good
enough to to get out of here in three years,
But if I'm going to be here for four or
five years, are these people gonna be here? That made
a big that was big for me in the schools
I looked at when I was coming out of school.
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You gotta think I looked at Florida State. I looked
at Miami, Michigan and Penn State, right and Miami they
they weren't they weren't stable, and and they actually were
ended up going going on probation. Florida State they had
Bobby Bouton. I'm gonna go there. You know why? Because
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I believe in who Bobby Bouton says he is, and
and and I believed in what that represented to me
and what I wanted to try to accomplish and get
done in college. I didn't get recruited. Is as hard
as I would have liked to from Florida State or
I would have probably went to Florida State. Penn State
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recruited me like crazy. And it's the same exact thing.
I'm looking at coach Paterno and heck, I could see
his glasses or his you know, his uh, you know,
his outline, his silhouette, and I know that that's Joe
Eternal and I know that that's Penn State. I think
there's something to be said about that when you can
place that type of trust into the situation that you
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believe you're in and what you're going into. And so
for that very reason, you gotta look at guys that
do things in a manner of which there is told
what you're saying, Brady, it's just disregard. And and when
you find yourself, who's someone who is supposed to be
so accountable to who you are in so many different ways,
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not just exs and ose when they're supposed to be
accountable to you for more than that, right you you
are entrusting your child to these people for the time
that you're there. That's how that stated. And trust your
children with us, right That's unlike the pros. This is
like the first time, unless your kid goes to a
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prep school, this is the first time you're actually allowing
your child to be on their own and you have
to entrust them to people that that you trust are
going to guide them and keep them safe and grow them.
So there's a there is an expectation that comes with that.
So I don't think that it should be diminished or
minimized when somebody just leaves, when they just up and go,
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there is a proper way to go about doing it. Yeah.
And and by the way, like I used Lebron and
how he left with the decision on that the first time,
think about the second time after and Gris granted they
they had won a championship. He came back and got
that done for Cleveland, but he also ended up leaving
a different way. You know, it wasn't that sort of
reaction and you and you could say, well, it's because
they won a championship. No, it's because of how he left.
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He learned from that. He didn't want to make it
a big ordeal about it the next time around, whether
it's for charity or not. He learned that lesson from it.
And obviously it was the same thing with Miami and
how he left Miami to come back after winning championships
there to come to Cleveland. He had learned his lesson
from all of that of how to maneuver, how to
do all of that. So how you leave, how it
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ends matters, and so to sit there and diminish that
and say, no, it's just about the fact that it happened. No,
you can do it the right way. If you would
to get out a relationship, you want to leave your job,
you want to quit whatever, you can do it the
right way, all right. You don't have to see what
what was it? Get a cameo at the one time
of the Island Boys Boster are gonna quit. That's not
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gonna help you with your former employer or a future employer.
But it does matter how it ends. It does matter
how you decide to leave the effing Island Boys. Man,
that is one of the you would Brandon Roberto's love
for the Island Boys is one of the most bizarre
things that I just think it is quite possibly the
most ballsy move to be basically, go deuces to your
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final time that is true? Yeah, what talk some type
of way? Jonas? Yeah, I hear you, man, I hear
you many Hey, the Two Pros and a Cup of Joe,
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here on fs are Hold on, Jonas, hold on, this
is the last show in correct. You just said it right,
We just said that. Can you bring us into the
show with Harry Carey and and uh collins Worth? Please
please come on, man, I can't. It's the last one
and it's the last one of the year. I can't
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I can't be the last one of the crowds. I
can't do both. Okay, bring us in with college. Hold on,
hold on, we're talking about this for a second. Yeah,
come on, let's talk about Do you think it's Collinsworth
is the best, but you know, Harry Carey is the
one that gets me. I can't breathe does Harry Carey? Yeah,
I mean, but collins work. He can probably get through
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and introducing the show with collins Worth versus Harry Carey.
All right, that's what I'm thinking. I just don't want
to hit your limitations on Harry Carey. Yeah, I mean
it's uh, you know, Collinsworth. I feel like collins Word,
you know, is still obviously here alive, uh, you know,
calling games and so he gets a lot of attention.
I feel like Harry Carry sometimes gets lost, you know,
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people forget Harry Carry. Bring us in the hair, Kry,
I'll surprise you with it. All right, Well, come on,
it's it's it's New Year's it's the last it's the
last last hour. These these balls are dropping, man, Yeah,
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is a present day two thousand, twenty one, last show
one uh, and it's one of the stories that you know,
we opened up the show talking about Ben Roethlisberger and
him alluding to the fact that this could be his
last game in hines Field coming up on Monday, and
it feels like that, you know, it's most likely gonna
be his last couple of games in the NFL, barring
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anything crazy and a team wants to bring him in
or there's an opportunity to start, He says he's still
got something left though that Ben Row, can we ask
this question, why was everyone this past week talking about
like the end? Like Russell will Savan made reference to it,
Ben talked about it, and Rogers kind of talked to me.
It's like everyone, it's like, dude, we have two games left.
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Why why are we all choosing to talking about it now? Well,
it's um, I think it's you know, for Russell, and
we do have the Russell Wilson sound because this is interesting.
He They asked Bobby Wagner about that because it feels
like it's the end of a chapter in Seattle, just
the way this season has gone. Um, you know, they
lose last week, you know, to the Bears, which should
count as two losses, and then you know that Bobby
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Wagner gets asked, you know, is this your last game
in Seattle this weekend against Detroit. UM. Russell Wilson also
was asked about the Bobby Wagner conversation about his is
this his last game in the NFL and here was
the Seahawks quarterback. You guys asked Bobby about it. Could
this be your last game? This and that and all that.
You know, I know, I know for me personally, you know, uh,
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you know, I hope it's not my last game, but
you know, at the same time, no, it won't be
my last game in the NFL. So there's that. So
they don't really asked him. I mean it sounded like, hey,
more forced the Crowbard. So it sounded like we let
people know, you know, he's got to let people know. Hey,
you know this is since you're asking Bobby, let me
answer it for myself. Let you just let me just
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give you that list of teams again that we had given.
That's false, Brady, that never happened. He did that. That's
a you know, his agent did. Yeah. I mean, it's uh,
you know that that he doesn't know anything about that.
His agent works, right, I said it. How long ago?
Did I say? The New York Giants, it just makes
way too much sense. It's a need for them. They've
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got the draft capital. He could help make them a
legitimate contender right away. It's a big market, which he wants,
his wife wants. It's just as I said, I think
to you, like six months ago, it's just it makes
way too much sense. And I know that made be
bad for Seahawks fans to hear, but I just think
there's a desire to get on the East Coast, to
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be in that media market, I really do. Do you
what about Denver? I keep I keep hearing Denver if
if Russell Wilson goes to Denver? Right, we even heard
your guy um on one of the promos talking about it.
Uh out of Vegas? Uh? What about j Bell j R?
J Bell? I think that's more of a Rogers Watson destination.
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I think that's where one of those two would end
up if if they move, which Watson obviously is much
more likely than depending on the you know, stuff off
the field, But I think that's one of those two
landing spots for those guys. Do you think part of
Russell Wilson uh getting ahead of this is maybe a
little diversionary tactic on the crumby season they've had and
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kind of uh, you know, but this could be it,
you know, I me, yeah, I know, I know we
stunk this year, but this could be it. To enjoy
me while you got me and let's not focus on
how bad we've been this season. Maybe maybe some silver
linings and uh, you know, I'm still here, I'm still
the quarterback and uh and let's let's not pay attention
to the uh, to the building on fire and behind me.
Let's just go ahead and focus on how could I
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say what you want about Russell Wilson. The one thing
we talked earlier about handling things a certain way and
being perceived a certain way based off of the way
you handle things. Russell Wilson's awareness of how to utilize
his words and and how to to bring a feeling
with what it is that he says. Whether you think
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he's disingenuous or genuinous, you have to respect the fact
that the way he answers doesn't leave if anything, you
would lead leave the sound bite like, man, he's a
good dude, and and I kind of want to dislike
him for it. He got Sierra. I mean, it's it's
charm and his way of handling things. Lad to him,
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um um. And yeah, So the point is right, I think.
I think when you think about Russell Wilson, he handles
things in such a way where you you just you
gotta respect it whether you like it or not. I
think you gotta respect how he approaches what he does.
He handles everything in the proper manner, like he's that
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CEO type, you know. I really think if you look
at athletes as their own brand, and he's the CEO
of his brand, I don't know that there's many people
who don't continue to pump out positivity for what they do.
I mean, the one thing I'll say about it just
from being out there with him every off day, and
I don't know if he still does it. I'm pretty
sure he does. He goes to the children's hospital there
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in Seattle, pretty neat, you know, for those kids to
be able to have someone who's been there for so long,
he's been so successful, who takes time out of his
schedule to constantly go see got you know kids, you know,
little boys and girls who are in need and and
and that's gonna be one thing that if he does leave,
like that's always lost and and everything else, Like all
we care about the sports, the impact on that next
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team and what happens to Seattle, but like there's a
bunch of kids out there who won't be getting that
weekly visit anymore. And that's that's the tough thing, man,
when when you see the impact these players have off
the field and the way he's managed himself and handed
himself off the field too. So we talked this story.
The best story, just real quick, John, is the best
story told of people's good doings is when somebody else
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tells it. And I think that that's super dope that
you just said that, Brady, because a lot of times
we get so inundated on just talking about what we
see on the field or what it applies to and
them being there or leaving as a franchise guy whatever.
I'm glad you brought that up. Go ahead, John, Well,
I was gonna say, we talked about the Aaron Rodgers underdog,
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Okay to kirk Kirk, Yeah, when the cameras are around,
for sure, it's uh, well, I'm just saying, you know what,
what was like that? Who was it? Rick Riley who
was the former Sports Illustrated writer He ripped j Cutler
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in an article because Cutler got piste off that some
people found out that he was donating money to like
or helping out at the children's hospital or something. And
he said, oh, he can't even do a good deed
without wanting to uh, you know, crap all over it.
And it's like, no, he just didn't want the attention
for it, like he didn't want you to make it,
make it a big public story about it. But I digress.
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So the conversation we had about Aaron Rodgers, and it
was basically, if they came to him and said, all right,
Mark Murphy's gone, will you stay, it's more likely and
our speculation has always been for months that Mark Murphy's
really the guy Aaron Rodgers has a problem with. Do
you think Seattle would ever get to a point this
offseason and say, ross, you know, yeah, exactly, that's I
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wonder like, how does he stay? How does he stay
in Seattle? What did they do to to get him
convinced to want to be a Seahawk moving forward? I
don't know that there's anything they can do. You've got
two really good wide receivers. I mean, you could say
improve the offensive line. They've take their they've took their
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swings at that hasn't worked out. I'm not sure there's
much of anything they can do at this point. It
sounds weird to say, but it kind of just feels
like it's time, like maybe he's just it's time for
a change for for everyone involved. Now, I mean you
could talk about, well, they need to improve the defense,
because it's not you can't put this this season and
the lack of things on him. I mean, he was
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playing banged up. He admittedly came back too soon. I
think we all witnessed that. He probably came back too soon.
It wasn't playing as well initially, and then he started
to kind of find it again. But you know, this
team doesn't have the pieces that it needs, I think
in order for him, whether it's to win a super
Bowl or even just to be an m v P,
which I'm sure he'd like to accomplish. Like, I'm not
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sure they have enough around him to get this team now,
especially in that division the NFC West, to give him
shot at either of those two things. So I'm not
really sure there's anything they can do at this point.
I do think it's based upon maybe bigger aspirations in
terms of off field, and and that's why I think
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that it's curious to see what's going on. Paying attention to,
uh the Giants. I think that that could be a
possible destination. It's interesting because the Jets have been brought
up uh as a potential situation where you know, they
may think about doing something different, even as it applies
to having you know, their top draft pick and Zach Wilson.
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So I just think that he's trying to get to
a market where he can he can exercise and execute
whatever it is that his agenda has become or has
been the plan has become has been as as we
mentioned with the sound bite, I mean, he ain't married
to to a nobody, you know, And and that's leverageable, which,
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by the way, a you know, if you're going to
do it, do it right, and just just so we're
clear here to do it, do it right. And Russell
did it, and he did it right. And he has
the ability to not only leverage his brand, he has
the ability to leverage his wife's brand. And I think
that that's what makes it kind of you almost will
have to say you've oversaturated, You've you've hit your saturation
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point in Seattle. If if you're looking at it from
how big their brands are and how big they are together,
where can you go maximize that? You can maximize it
in the Chicago, you can maximize it in in a
New York market, you can maximize it in a Las
Vegas market or or California market. So to me, I
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think that when we say teams like Denver um different markets,
you know that, I would say, even though Denver is
a larger market than what maybe people give it credit for,
I just think that his reasoning for leaving, the reason
why I think it's a foregone conclusion and that he
will leave, is because I think he really is trying
to get to a market where he can, you know,
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possibly like do a morning show. Like he strikes me
as the you know, straight hand, Yeah right, he strikes
me as a straight hand or a tiki barber type
that in the right situation, he's going to be doing
the morning news before he goes to practice, or he's
gonna be doing shows before he goes into work. And
and that's you know, that's New York. You know that's California.
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So I think he's got a CEO balance to him too.
We're like, and I know he's got some different businesses
that um to have offices on the East Coast. I
think that matters too, is like that step after football
and and trying to achieve whatever that may be, whether
it's in broadcasting, which I'm sure there will be some
element of it. But I also think there's like a
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greater aspiration to as like a CEO and as a businessman,
you know, being able to accomplish that. And I feel like,
where else do you go besides New York. I mean,
I know there's a lot of places, don't get me wrong,
but that's like, if you can make it in New York,
you can make it anywhere. Right. It's two pros and
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Fox Sports Radio. You know, we did say it's a
football Friday, but it could be the last football Friday.
In fact, I'm gonna say right now it is the
last football Friday as far as a home game goes
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for Ben Roethlisberger, as the Pittsburgh Steelers will be taken
on the Cleveland Browns coming up on Monday night. And
Ben Roethlisberger spoke with the media on Thursday about his
status and how he views this being possibly his final
home game at Hinesfield. I don't ever speak in definite
or guarantee. That's just not what I've ever done or
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who I am. But you know, looking at the bigger picture,
I would say that all signs are pointed this this
could be it. I've been so blessed to play in
front of the best fans in all the sports at
the best venue, and what better way to have a
last regulive season potential game in Monday night football against
the division opponent, And you know, it's just it's just special.
So I got a lot of focus on still for
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this year, in this game, um and that that's got
to be it right now. And the only thing standing
in his way from a fairytale ending is uh Brady
Quinn's Cleveland Browns who can run it right? You know what?
And I wish I was there to start and play
and spoil this for Ben Roethlisberg. I swear to you
we were knocked out of the playoffs the one year
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we beat him on Thursday night, and it was one
of the greatest feelings ever just to be from just
to be from Columbus, growing up a Browns fan, knowing
that you could spoil the postseason for some Steelers, it
was the greatest thing ever I could imagine that that's
a great feeling. Um. And and you know, to the
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point of it being a rivalry game, um, so to speak,
for this to be uh potentially Ben's last game, I
think that they're going to go into the game with
that type of energy as well. I mean, you know,
you could make this a better season by having a
better season, you know if if you're really looking at it,
I mean, it's it's coming down to the wire for
for both teams to be able to make it into
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into the playoffs, and you know, this does put a
little bit more at stake depending on how much you
know these guys care about Ben Roethlisberger. And I would
I would assume that that these guys have an affinity,
a healthy affinity for him, or he probably wouldn't have
been back for this last season. So uh, you know,
when you look at it, I think it makes for
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a super entertaining game to watch because obviously the playoffs
are are at you know, on stage online. But but
the the the actual meaning of this game, this could
be the greatest quarterback. I mean, am i am I
the term if I say this could be the last
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home game of the greatest quarterback. Not not just a
Hall of Fame quarterback or a really good quarterback for
this franchise, he's probably the greatest quarterback to ever play
for the franchise. You know what the crime is in
all this is a lot of people who are watching
Ben now aren't gonna have any idea, like especially the
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younger generation. And it's crazy because it's not like Ben's
that old, and he's really not that old yet they're
not They're not going to remember what he was like
when he first came in the league. Like a lot
of those kids, those formulive years where you get through
you like your junior high, high school years, where you
really start watching football paying attention, like those years. I mean,
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it hasn't been quite the same for him been of late,
Whereas if you looked earlier, he was so much fun
to watch. The way he would be able to shrug
off the fenders in the pocket, make big throws downfield,
kind of scramble around. He he really did have a
style to him in a way in manner in which
he played that like kind of combined just playing the
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game and a little bit of backyard football to it.
It just made it fun and you can you kind
of forget about those days like chuck at balls down
field with um, you know, Mike Wallace and Higus Heines Awards,
Antonio Holmes, like all the guys when he first got there.
You forget about something that he probably has one of
the most legendary throws in Super Bowl history. Anton I mean,
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there's no more clutch throw than that one. I mean,
that's that's about it, man. I mean that's it's almost
a walk off. He nearly ruined American Underdog. I mean
just with that throw. It's terrible what he did a
Kurt Warner. They're just awful with the near Did I
mean I think that movie might uh well, yeah, I'm
not really sure. I'm not really sure about can you
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be an underdog if you're born like six ft four
to forty, aren't you already blessed with an advantage in
life if you're built, like if you're born bigger than people.
There's a reason Peter Dinklin, she wasn't the lead actor
in that movie. You know, like it's it's not not
exactly the most you know, heartwarm, and I could be
off by the way. I mean, Warner might only be
like six ft that he but it's all right, we
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get what you're saying. You know, he did have some
physical tools. Well we'll say that. Do you remember when
Ben Roethlisberger was announced as the starter and I think
Tommy Maddox was injured, If I'm not mistaken, Tommy, I
know how Tommy Maddox got into that that that starting position.
How so you know I got nicknamed the quarterback Killer.
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I know some people think Warren sapp is, but I
actually got the nickname because I was really killing quarterbacks.
And and that that preseason of Cordale stores less last
year there. And you can ask anybody who was on
this team. It was a preseason game and my cousin,
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he was fighting cancer at the time since passed away.
Um was on the sideline I had on with Jersey
on and everything from Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh's my team. Like you said,
you love to ruin the game for them, being a
Cleveland UH player and being from Ohio. So being from Pittsburgh,
you play against Pittsburgh. I wanted to destroy him, like
dog him. And we're playing against him, and Cordell right
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out the gate does a naked boot and thinks that
he can get the corner because he's slash and if
you know slash, you know generally speaking, he's going to
get the corner, get about five ten, fifteen, maybe twenty
yards because he's faster than everybody, and get out of
bouncing and you know, you keep going. Well, he does
this this naked boot, and he does the naked boot
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to my side, and he wasn't gonna make it because
he wasn't gonna be faster than me. And and I
did the whole you know, I told you guys how you.
You get a hold of him. You you you you slam
them down, and that's how you get them, right. So
I get him on the sideline, I get him, slam him.
He hits his head off the ground. I jump up,
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I look at him. He tries to jump up, he
goes back down. Cordell Store was never the same player
after that play, and they ended up having to bench
him for Tommy Maddox. There you go, Tommy Maddox is starting,
and then you remember when Tommy Maddox was starting and
didn't start, and then Ben Roethlisberger got his opportunity. So indirectly,
this Pittsburgh kid is actually kind of responsible for the
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super Bowl that they got with Ben Roethlisberger. Thank god
I got in the leg after you did. You would
have made my cit shorter than it already was. I mean,
I was, I was trying. I was trying to tear quarterbacks.
You know. It was. It was running backs too, but
it was different. It was different because running backs knew it.
Quarterbacks is not so much because it's not like we're
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looking at each other like all right, he's gonna hit
me ten times today, all right, all right? I did
a segway then and asked you something because look, and
I don't want to get too long winning because I
know we've got to take a break in the clock
and all stuff. Part Scott said something this past week
about now there's gonna be a bounty on Joe Burrow
essentially like the hit. Why well, because of the way
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they played the past two games against them and what
they did this most recent one, and that like Baltimore
is not gonna forget that. Defenses won't forget that. But
in particular Baltimore and I just looking and go, ah,
this league is different now, bro, Like it ain't when
you guys used to play. And you can kind of
tell and feel that, like, and I'll be honest with you,
it wasn't even that. I felt like defenders took that approach,
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were like there were certain unwritten rules that we're going
to be enforced. The officials took that approach like you
weren't getting the same calls as a quarterback if you
weren't Tom Brady as far as late hits and all
that stuff, or the way they hit you. I mean,
it wasn't the same. Like, I don't I don't see
this NFL being anywhere close to what it was back
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when Bart's got played or when you play. But tell
me if I'm wrong, No, you're you're not. I mean, god,
here's the thing, right if it was say like, let's
use me and you as an example. If if I
saw you off the field, I'd be like, man, that's
that's freaking Brady Quinn Like dang, like that's Brady on
the field. It's like I'm going to eff and rip
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your head off of your neck, off of your shoulders,
and I'm hand it to you and say here's your
head back, bro, But after the game and be like, man,
you're okay, how's your head? Can can anybody helps him
put that back on? Yeah? Right? I just I think
everybody loves each other these days, like social media, everybody's
hanging out with one another. Everybody. You know what it is? Kids?
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Stop fighting? Kids stop? Remember when you used to get
an argum when you're young with your buddy and then
it actually goes you fight a little bit, But what
you fight? Okay, all right, we got it out. We
figured out. Yeah that your system? Anything about that? Hey,
I got my asspet by my product, my entire life,
my entire life, I got hit. I got I got
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a shovel taken to my face in the street in
front of my house. Swear to God on that by
it by a sibling. That's a true story. See here's
the thing is Jonah said I had these talks. Trust me,
he's been through many of those talked about. That's because
that's I think it's played a relationship to sports. Were like,
you don't, you don't to that point, like you don't
see that anymore where guys, you know, really getting fights
and can be cool afterwards. It just doesn't happen. It's
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almost like you're watching the movie and kids are like,
I'd never do that, or I do something like that,
but then the bar scene actually happens in real life
and the kid just looks down at his phone, starts tweeting,
starts trash on social media. We lived in a barbary,
very chaotic time in terms of I think I like
it better how manhood was defined and you know the
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physicality of went into daily living and you know, whether
you were strong, tough or if you were soft, like
that stuff actually really mattered, you know, and it doesn't
it doesn't really matter. Like you're you're able to express
yourself in so many different ways. The parameters have been
pushed so far out, um, and sometimes it's so far
(10:56):
out now that it's kind of kind of hard to
comprehend it because you you're like, all right, well, what
are you going for here? You know, if you know
what I mean? And and the idea of it is
is that they're just you know, kids these days expressed
themselves artistically through so many different ways and forms and
fashions that it's just, you know, it's it's definitely a
(11:19):
different interpretation of how the world around us works. I mean, well,
even back in the day, it was you know, fight
breaks out, grabbed the nearest bar stool. Now it's uh,
you know, grabbing bone, making TikTok video, get it on camera.
So so in case you can file a complaint against somebody,
it's you know, the game has changed. Um. By the way,
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are we all in agreement? This is it? Ben Roethlisberger
never plays after this season? Or do you think he's
actually gonna give it a go. I think I think
that's just it. But I'll say this, I think it
would be appropriate to if he beats Cleveland only because
he's an Ohio guy. Man, he's from Finlay and that's
the scene the past fun him. I'm sure he would
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have loved to have gone there initially have been their
quarterback forever. So I think that it happens to be
Monday night, that happens to be this team is extra
meaningful for him and what I think will be his
last game. It's I think it will be his last
game as a Steeler. I just don't know if it
might sourcefully or no, no, no choice be his last
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game as a pro. You know it'll be uh, I
think he might want to try though. It's gonna be
fun to watch, but at least he had a little
mini farewell tour. If this is it, you know, made
sure to get that out of the world. Be sure
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Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app. Here's
the the situation that went down, Um Colin Cowherd, Fox
Sports Radio Brethren here you can hear him nine to
noon Pacific time, noon to three Eastern time here on
many of these Fox Sports Radio affiliates. Uh, he said
out a tweet that said the following quote, Oklahoma fans
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don't quite get it. You do realize if it pisces
you off. A coach left, that's because he was good.
Gator fans celebrated ron Zook leaving. Wolverine fans celebrated similarly
with Brady Hoke and stop with the it's how he
left bs great athletes. Head coaches always leave on their terms.
End tweet, to which Brady Quinn replied, Yeah, we'll get
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into that tomorrow on the show. So the four heres,
Brady Quinn, and I'm assuming you took issue with the
tweet by Collon guard Well, I take issue with this
for a number of reasons. One because it's really solely
based around his opinion. It's just his opinion, and he's
talking down to Oklahoma fans like they can't have their
opinion or their side and all of this. And let
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me just take you to a couple of examples. Lebron James,
same class in high school as Lebron James. We actually
tried to get him to come down to the U. S.
Army All American Game. Dumb as that sounds right to
play in it in San Antonio, Texas when I was
a senior in high school, because we wanted to try
to come down br wide receiver, right, he was that
good at that athlete did even play a senior year
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high school football. Only last year he played was junior year,
and we were still trying to recruit him to come
down and play because he was that good at football too,
And obviously he decided not to come. I think we
even brought on like one of his high school teammates
just to see if just to see if he would
he would still come down to ly show up in
the game. So I've I had known Lebron a little
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bit from that, but obviously when I got drafted to Cleveland,
had the chance to meet him, be around that crew
a little bit for the few years I was there,
and obviously watched them throughout his entire career. Have always
been a fan of him. When he decided to leave
Cleveland the first time, to me, it was never something
that I was like emotionally attached to or didn't understand
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the reasons as to why he was leaving. When he left,
it was like pouring gastly net on the fire. Because
of how he did it because of how he left,
Like do you remember the decision? Do you guys remember
like what he was actually doing at the decision that day.
He's raising money for charity exactly, But is that what
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anyone remembers from that day? They remember him going on
national television in Akron, Ohio, which is close proximity to Cleveland,
and telling everyone and even the way he said it.
It wasn't that he said he was going to go
to the Miami Heat and try to win the championships
or go with the legendary pat Riley and Dwyane Wade
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these other guys. He said, I'm taking my talents to
South Beach like that that I mean, that could be
You can take that out of context wherever you want
and whatever industry you want. But it was the way
he said it. It was the way he did it.
That was. But that was what infuriated hands. That's what
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made it visceral. That's what made them upset about how
he left. It wasn't that he left. There was a
lot of people who understood that Dan Gilbert is not
a good owner or they they felt like he wasn't
a good owner at that time and didn't do enough
to help surround Lebron to give him what he needed
to win a championship. You know, I went to that
game four that when they got swept in the finals,
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and and took my dad and watched that firsthand. And
you all collectively and sitting around people talking about it,
you're like, he needs help, he needs more. This isn't
enough to help him win a championship. And a lot
of people were understanding of that, especially Cleveland Cavaliers fans.
And now the second time that might be a little
bit different story. But the reality is it wasn't that
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he left. It was how he left, because that's all
we remember is how he left and how he chose
to even though he was trying to do it for
a great cause. It was a decision. And that's just
one example, right Tom Brady. That Tom Brady leaving New
England Patriots. I mean, there was it like there was
a ton of people who were sitting there and burning
jerseys and so forth, and why because of how he left.
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He did it in a classy manner. And granted he
had a ton of success there, so what are you
gonna say at that point in time? But also there
was a way in which he went about doing it,
that it didn't ruffle the feathers of fans. People. People
realize at that point in time, hey this this thing's
come to its end. But they both did it in
classy ways that allowed him to separate and move on.
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And so there wasn't this like outrage about all of it.
And so look, if if Lincoln Riley or any other
coach you would have put into that during the college
football coaching cycle, if they wanted to leave, is it
gonna sting? Sure? But the reality is, like to sit
there and talk down to fan bases and act like
you're some omnipotent being when you're really just giving your opinion.
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Because the reality is if they had handled a little
bit different and not done it over at twenty four
hour period and not felt like you know, they needed
to do at a certain way, it would feel different.
No different than the difference between Lebron and Tom and
how both those guys ended up believing to go other places.
It's how they left, That's what I mean. It's no
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different than a relationship when you get a bad breakup.
I mean, at some point relationships end. When you have
a bad breakup, you're much less than tune to ever
talk to that person ever again. It's probably more scarring,
it's probably something you remember, but it's more amicable. You
end up kind of walking away going of if I
see them again, I'd say a lower and maybe we
catch up down the road or something like that. Maybe
if we work in the same you know, business or industry,
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we you know, maybe you know, help kind of share
some business here there or something like that. But to me,
it's always how it ends. It's always how you left,
because when you don't do it the right way, that's
when you get that sort of emotion from people. And
so I couldn't disagree anymore about all of it. I
mean you could, I can. I can give you any
example you want of when I was cut and how
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a team would handle it versus how a team you
know didn't handle it. I mean, there's there's there's different
examples of it. But I just think that's an opinion
that is solely to him. So, you know, stop speaking
town to a fan base that is sitting there right
now feeling good about where they're at with Breton Venables
the future of the job that Bob Stoops did it
just it doesn't make any sense to me taking such
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a hard stance on it, you know. Ow further your point,
you use an example of of an athlete to who
much has given much is required. We're talking about a coach.
And when and when you talk about what the level
of of accountability is for the leader of the flock,
not a pair, but the leader. When you handle things
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in a certain manner, it just it doesn't it doesn't
feel good. It will be like a pastor changing, you know,
changing churches. So like, you know, I got a bigger church.
I got a bigger, better church. I'm gonna go over here,
uh within twenty four hours, you know, like if you
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want to hear my my sermon, come here, transfer to
this church, son, Holy spirits. He guys, there you go.
You know, I just think that there's something to be
said about that, because listen, there are so many there
are so many things that that young people are are
thinking about when they go to a school to play.
There are a lot of things that they don't know.
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There are a lot of things that the parents are
thinking about, and there are a lot of things that
the parents don't know. And sometimes you don't get the
opportunity to really sit back and assess things at its
face value, because there's so many things that you have
to entertain for yourself. One of the things that I
would immediately think if I went to USC is will
he do it to us? And do I want to
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go play out of school? Where can I can I
trust that for at least three years if I'm good
enough to to get out of here in three years,
But if I'm going to be here for four or
five years, are these people gonna be here? That made
a big that was big for me in the schools
I looked at when I was coming out of school.
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You gotta think I looked at Florida State. I looked
at Miami, Michigan and Penn State, right and Miami they
they weren't they weren't stable, and and they actually were
ended up going going on probation. Florida State they had
Bobby Bouton. I'm gonna go there. You know why? Because
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I believe in who Bobby Bouton says he is, and
and and I believed in what that represented to me
and what I wanted to try to accomplish and get
done in college. I didn't get recruited. Is as hard
as I would have liked to from Florida State or
I would have probably went to Florida State. Penn State
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recruited me like crazy. And it's the same exact thing.
I'm looking at coach Paterno and heck, I could see
his glasses or his you know, his uh, you know,
his outline, his silhouette, and I know that that's Joe
Eternal and I know that that's Penn State. I think
there's something to be said about that when you can
place that type of trust into the situation that you
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believe you're in and what you're going into. And so
for that very reason, you gotta look at guys that
do things in a manner of which there is told
what you're saying, Brady, it's just disregard. And and when
you find yourself, who's someone who is supposed to be
so accountable to who you are in so many different ways,
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not just exs and ose when they're supposed to be
accountable to you for more than that, right you you
are entrusting your child to these people for the time
that you're there. That's how that stated. And trust your
children with us, right That's unlike the pros. This is
like the first time, unless your kid goes to a
(22:52):
prep school, this is the first time you're actually allowing
your child to be on their own and you have
to entrust them to people that that you trust are
going to guide them and keep them safe and grow them.
So there's a there is an expectation that comes with that.
So I don't think that it should be diminished or
minimized when somebody just leaves, when they just up and go,
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there is a proper way to go about doing it. Yeah.
And and by the way, like I used Lebron and
how he left with the decision on that the first time,
think about the second time after and Gris granted they
they had won a championship. He came back and got
that done for Cleveland, but he also ended up leaving
a different way. You know, it wasn't that sort of
reaction and you and you could say, well, it's because
they won a championship. No, it's because of how he left.
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He learned from that. He didn't want to make it
a big ordeal about it the next time around, whether
it's for charity or not. He learned that lesson from it.
And obviously it was the same thing with Miami and
how he left Miami to come back after winning championships
there to come to Cleveland. He had learned his lesson
from all of that of how to maneuver, how to
do all of that. So how you leave, how it
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ends matters, and so to sit there and diminish that
and say, no, it's just about the fact that it happened. No,
you can do it the right way. If you would
to get out a relationship, you want to leave your job,
you want to quit whatever, you can do it the
right way, all right. You don't have to see what
what was it? Get a cameo at the one time
of the Island Boys Boster are gonna quit. That's not
(24:23):
gonna help you with your former employer or a future employer.
But it does matter how it ends. It does matter
how you decide to leave the effing Island Boys. Man,
that is one of the you would Brandon Roberto's love
for the Island Boys is one of the most bizarre
things that I just think it is quite possibly the
most ballsy move to be basically, go deuces to your
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All right, that's what I'm thinking. I just don't want
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you know, is still obviously here alive, uh, you know,
calling games and so he gets a lot of attention.
I feel like Harry Carry sometimes gets lost, you know,
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Harry k he's been I think he passed away, which
is crazy. So it's been a well over twenty years.
But uh, when we got w g N, when I
started going national, oh man, what a good time. And
that guy could drink like no other. So there's that,
all right. Uh, it's a Fox Sports Radio, everybody. This
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is a present day two thousand, twenty one, last show
one uh, and it's one of the stories that you know,
we opened up the show talking about Ben Roethlisberger and
him alluding to the fact that this could be his
last game in hines Field coming up on Monday, and
it feels like that, you know, it's most likely gonna
be his last couple of games in the NFL, barring
(28:53):
anything crazy and a team wants to bring him in
or there's an opportunity to start, He says he's still
got something left though that Ben Row, can we ask
this question, why was everyone this past week talking about
like the end? Like Russell will Savan made reference to it,
Ben talked about it, and Rogers kind of talked to me.
It's like everyone, it's like, dude, we have two games left.
(29:16):
Why why are we all choosing to talking about it now? Well,
it's um, I think it's you know, for Russell, and
we do have the Russell Wilson sound because this is interesting.
He They asked Bobby Wagner about that because it feels
like it's the end of a chapter in Seattle, just
the way this season has gone. Um, you know, they
lose last week, you know, to the Bears, which should
count as two losses, and then you know that Bobby
(29:38):
Wagner gets asked, you know, is this your last game
in Seattle this weekend against Detroit. UM. Russell Wilson also
was asked about the Bobby Wagner conversation about his is
this his last game in the NFL and here was
the Seahawks quarterback. You guys asked Bobby about it. Could
this be your last game? This and that and all that.
You know, I know, I know for me personally, you know, uh,
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you know, I hope it's not my last game, but
you know, at the same time, no, it won't be
my last game in the NFL. So there's that. So
they don't really asked him. I mean it sounded like, hey,
more forced the Crowbard. So it sounded like we let
people know, you know, he's got to let people know. Hey,
you know this is since you're asking Bobby, let me
answer it for myself. Let you just let me just
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give you that list of teams again that we had given.
That's false, Brady, that never happened. He did that. That's
a you know, his agent did. Yeah. I mean, it's uh,
you know that that he doesn't know anything about that.
His agent works, right, I said it. How long ago?
Did I say? The New York Giants, it just makes
way too much sense. It's a need for them. They've
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got the draft capital. He could help make them a
legitimate contender right away. It's a big market, which he wants,
his wife wants. It's just as I said, I think
to you, like six months ago, it's just it makes
way too much sense. And I know that made be
bad for Seahawks fans to hear, but I just think
there's a desire to get on the East Coast, to
(31:02):
be in that media market, I really do. Do you
what about Denver? I keep I keep hearing Denver if
if Russell Wilson goes to Denver? Right, we even heard
your guy um on one of the promos talking about it.
Uh out of Vegas? Uh? What about j Bell j R?
J Bell? I think that's more of a Rogers Watson destination.
(31:24):
I think that's where one of those two would end
up if if they move, which Watson obviously is much
more likely than depending on the you know, stuff off
the field, But I think that's one of those two
landing spots for those guys. Do you think part of
Russell Wilson uh getting ahead of this is maybe a
little diversionary tactic on the crumby season they've had and
(31:44):
kind of uh, you know, but this could be it,
you know, I me, yeah, I know, I know we
stunk this year, but this could be it. To enjoy
me while you got me and let's not focus on
how bad we've been this season. Maybe maybe some silver
linings and uh, you know, I'm still here, I'm still
the quarterback and uh and let's let's not pay attention
to the uh, to the building on fire and behind me.
Let's just go ahead and focus on how could I
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say what you want about Russell Wilson. The one thing
we talked earlier about handling things a certain way and
being perceived a certain way based off of the way
you handle things. Russell Wilson's awareness of how to utilize
his words and and how to to bring a feeling
with what it is that he says. Whether you think
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he's disingenuous or genuinous, you have to respect the fact
that the way he answers doesn't leave if anything, you
would lead leave the sound bite like, man, he's a
good dude, and and I kind of want to dislike
him for it. He got Sierra. I mean, it's it's
charm and his way of handling things. Lad to him,
(32:48):
um um. And yeah, So the point is right, I think.
I think when you think about Russell Wilson, he handles
things in such a way where you you just you
gotta respect it whether you like it or not. I
think you gotta respect how he approaches what he does.
He handles everything in the proper manner, like he's that
(33:11):
CEO type, you know. I really think if you look
at athletes as their own brand, and he's the CEO
of his brand, I don't know that there's many people
who don't continue to pump out positivity for what they do.
I mean, the one thing I'll say about it just
from being out there with him every off day, and
I don't know if he still does it. I'm pretty
sure he does. He goes to the children's hospital there
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in Seattle, pretty neat, you know, for those kids to
be able to have someone who's been there for so long,
he's been so successful, who takes time out of his
schedule to constantly go see got you know kids, you know,
little boys and girls who are in need and and
and that's gonna be one thing that if he does leave,
like that's always lost and and everything else, Like all
we care about the sports, the impact on that next
(33:55):
team and what happens to Seattle, but like there's a
bunch of kids out there who won't be getting that
weekly visit anymore. And that's that's the tough thing, man,
when when you see the impact these players have off
the field and the way he's managed himself and handed
himself off the field too. So we talked this story.
The best story, just real quick, John, is the best
story told of people's good doings is when somebody else
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tells it. And I think that that's super dope that
you just said that, Brady, because a lot of times
we get so inundated on just talking about what we
see on the field or what it applies to and
them being there or leaving as a franchise guy whatever.
I'm glad you brought that up. Go ahead, John, Well,
I was gonna say, we talked about the Aaron Rodgers underdog,
(34:42):
Okay to kirk Kirk, Yeah, when the cameras are around,
for sure, it's uh, well, I'm just saying, you know what,
what was like that? Who was it? Rick Riley who
was the former Sports Illustrated writer He ripped j Cutler
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in an article because Cutler got piste off that some
people found out that he was donating money to like
or helping out at the children's hospital or something. And
he said, oh, he can't even do a good deed
without wanting to uh, you know, crap all over it.
And it's like, no, he just didn't want the attention
for it, like he didn't want you to make it,
make it a big public story about it. But I digress.
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So the conversation we had about Aaron Rodgers, and it
was basically, if they came to him and said, all right,
Mark Murphy's gone, will you stay, it's more likely and
our speculation has always been for months that Mark Murphy's
really the guy Aaron Rodgers has a problem with. Do
you think Seattle would ever get to a point this
offseason and say, ross, you know, yeah, exactly, that's I
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wonder like, how does he stay? How does he stay
in Seattle? What did they do to to get him
convinced to want to be a Seahawk moving forward? I
don't know that there's anything they can do. You've got
two really good wide receivers. I mean, you could say
improve the offensive line. They've take their they've took their
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swings at that hasn't worked out. I'm not sure there's
much of anything they can do at this point. It
sounds weird to say, but it kind of just feels
like it's time, like maybe he's just it's time for
a change for for everyone involved. Now, I mean you
could talk about, well, they need to improve the defense,
because it's not you can't put this this season and
the lack of things on him. I mean, he was
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playing banged up. He admittedly came back too soon. I
think we all witnessed that. He probably came back too soon.
It wasn't playing as well initially, and then he started
to kind of find it again. But you know, this
team doesn't have the pieces that it needs, I think
in order for him, whether it's to win a super
Bowl or even just to be an m v P,
which I'm sure he'd like to accomplish. Like, I'm not
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sure they have enough around him to get this team now,
especially in that division the NFC West, to give him
shot at either of those two things. So I'm not
really sure there's anything they can do at this point.
I do think it's based upon maybe bigger aspirations in
terms of off field, and and that's why I think
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that it's curious to see what's going on. Paying attention to,
uh the Giants. I think that that could be a
possible destination. It's interesting because the Jets have been brought
up uh as a potential situation where you know, they
may think about doing something different, even as it applies
to having you know, their top draft pick and Zach Wilson.
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So I just think that he's trying to get to
a market where he can he can exercise and execute
whatever it is that his agenda has become or has
been the plan has become has been as as we
mentioned with the sound bite, I mean, he ain't married
to to a nobody, you know, And and that's leverageable, which,
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by the way, a you know, if you're going to
do it, do it right, and just just so we're
clear here to do it, do it right. And Russell
did it, and he did it right. And he has
the ability to not only leverage his brand, he has
the ability to leverage his wife's brand. And I think
that that's what makes it kind of you almost will
have to say you've oversaturated, You've you've hit your saturation
(38:22):
point in Seattle. If if you're looking at it from
how big their brands are and how big they are together,
where can you go maximize that? You can maximize it
in the Chicago, you can maximize it in in a
New York market, you can maximize it in a Las
Vegas market or or California market. So to me, I
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think that when we say teams like Denver um different markets,
you know that, I would say, even though Denver is
a larger market than what maybe people give it credit for,
I just think that his reasoning for leaving, the reason
why I think it's a foregone conclusion and that he
will leave, is because I think he really is trying
to get to a market where he can, you know,
(39:06):
possibly like do a morning show. Like he strikes me
as the you know, straight hand, Yeah right, he strikes
me as a straight hand or a tiki barber type
that in the right situation, he's going to be doing
the morning news before he goes to practice, or he's
gonna be doing shows before he goes into work. And
and that's you know, that's New York. You know that's California.
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So I think he's got a CEO balance to him too.
We're like, and I know he's got some different businesses
that um to have offices on the East Coast. I
think that matters too, is like that step after football
and and trying to achieve whatever that may be, whether
it's in broadcasting, which I'm sure there will be some
element of it. But I also think there's like a
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greater aspiration to as like a CEO and as a businessman,
you know, being able to accomplish that. And I feel like,
where else do you go besides New York. I mean,
I know there's a lot of places, don't get me wrong,
but that's like, if you can make it in New York,
you can make it anywhere. Right. It's two pros and
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