January 3, 2022 • 49 mins
Monday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, Jonas Knox and LaVar Arrington try to make sense of Antonio Brown bailing on his team and seemingly his career. They think the Cowboys are the most frustrating team to figure out after their lackluster performance against the Cardinals and they’d be surprised to see any team from the NFC go into Green Bay and beat the Packers in the Playoffs.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It's the best of two pros and a couple of
show with LaVar are Rady Quinn and Jonas Knocks on
Fox Sports Radio. Happy New Year, first show of the
New Year for us and how was the New Year's weekend?
Their sticks? It was great man. We finished off your
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your Christmas gift. Thank you very much. You got it.
It was very well sipped, very well received by the
people who sipped on it. Did you actually sip it though,
or at some point did you just get frustrated and
say I'm going back to the to the oldie bogoty
and start mixing it. Well, if I'm being on it,
I mean, I don't care. I don't know anything about
I did not. I took. I had to sip it
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first off, because I was held accountable that as a
gift from you and it being a sipping tequila that
I sip it. So I did. Yeah. So I did
not drink a whole bunch of it because I am
not a non put anything in it type of guy
with my my drinks. So for those who are true
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tequila connoisseurs, Trice who doesn't use anything but a salt
rim and a little bit of line juice um from
a line. I let them, I let them have at it,
and it was it was gone quick. And and here's
the other here's what else was they were using the
big ball of uh you know, the big ball ice know, yeah, yeah,
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your I hear you, Yeah, I hear you for sure.
And we also need to get into the spread at
the Arrington House for New Year's because, uh, a couple
of us on this show try to a compete and
then realize, yeah, we're not winning that one. Now, you
guys took care of it and you got it done there.
But it is it is a busy weekend in the
NFL Week seventeen in the books. We got playoff spots
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that are clinched. We've got teams that have been eliminated,
we got coaches that are feeling the heat. And then
we've got Antonio Brown, who had the meltdown of all
meltdowns yesterday in the game against the New York Jets.
The Bucks were struggling a little bit, the Jets were
were pretty competitive, and all of a sudden, there's just
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a video of Antonio Brown taking off his shoulder pads,
taking off his shirt, throwing his gloves and shirt into
the crowd and then throwing up deuces and just walking
out of the stadium while the game's going on, and
nobody could really figure out what the hell was happening.
No nobody had any idea what was going on. Apparently
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Bruce Arians wanted Antonio Brown to go back into the game.
He was not interested in going back into the game.
He had a meltdown. Mike Evans tried to stop him
from leaving, but he bailed. Then he went on to
social media afterwards. He referred to himself as a super Gremlin,
which I think is a phenomenal name. He released a
rap song via Instagram from what I heard. I don't
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know if, if if anybody has had a chance to
listen to that, I have not. And now Ruce Arians
after the game, was asked by the media about the situation.
Here's how went down. We want to talk about that
last drive, but I have to start with can you
tell us what happened to Antonio Brown? Did he quit?
I've never seen a guy leave a field like that,
And is this the last strike for him? He is
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no longer a book? All right, That's the end of
the story. Let's talk about the guys that were not
doing one game. So there's that, and uh, what a
waste of a fake vaccine card. I mean, you got
of all, like a perfectly good fake vaccine card just
out the window because Antonio Brown has got to have
a that sort of a display of immaturity or whatever
you want to call it, and then just leave in
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the middle of the game that was going on with
a B. Yeah, So I was careful to really really
try to put together like deconstructed and then reconstructed before
I came in here and had something to say about it. Uh,
you touched on a lot of it that you know him. Coincidentally,
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a rap song that he made was released the same
day he had his UH deal take place. Uh, it
was interesting. He It was reports that he asked the
state troopers to drop him off at the airport. They
told him no. Later on he had a So there
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was a social media post of the person driving a
B around that was basically I think he was facetiming
someone or he was recording it and putting it on FaceTime,
putting it on social media, and a B's in the
back of the truck, lounging and and just being what
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I guess vintage a B would be in the moment
which was trash talking uh in the situation and it
you know, I kind of looked at I heard what
I heard what Tom Brady said, have compassion for him. Uh.
I heard what Arian said, He's no longer a buck. Uh.
I started to try to put all of those things together.
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I saw a lot of famous players. I saw you
Dream Peterson, wig In, hold your head up, King and
different things like that. I saw a lot of people
showing a lot of support and a lot of people
coming out saying, you know, before you start judging him
or you know, ripping him apart, uh, he needs help
and and that's what we should be focusing on. We
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should be praying that he needs help. And that's where
I now come to where I was, you know, contemplating
what was my internal take on this. I thought it
was a temper tantrum that he threw on the sideline,
a temper tantrum of of epic proportion. I thought it
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showed a lack of accountability. I thought it showed a
person that is very selfish, it very self driven. I
saw it as as being a person that has an
alternate reality, which some brilliant people. Most brilliant people have
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alternate realities. Antonio Brown lives in a world that's been
created by the environment in the world that he's created,
and he lives in that. And if you don't live
in Abes world, you would never be able to understand
why he does the things that he does, how he
does them, why he does them, and and that's what
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you have to understand, where you will say, on this
side of being an Abies world, you will work your
ass off to the bone. You will work in the
in the off season, and you will do workouts and
route running and training. He's got a legendary work ethic
out of out of this world. But then you have
the same person that will walk out of a game
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in the middle of the game and make it a
me me moment and II moment, and how he did it.
If you had if you had an issue with what
was going on and you didn't want to go back
into the game or or whatever the situation was, just
remove yourself from the field if you felt that, if
you felt that strongly about it, just remove yourself from
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the field. We can remember Vante Davis did the same
exact thing, and he you know, I quit, I'm done.
And you know, he didn't make a spectacle of it,
he didn't make a scene out of it, and he
just he left that I think he left that halftime,
I don't remember. He realized right then and there, I'm
not helping this team. I don't want to do this anymore.
Just bailed, so and and and a b's alternate reality.
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I came to the conclusion, I said to myself, this
is football, and for him to to do what he
did to his team in a football game, ultimate at
lead comes down to it's it's your job, but yeah,
it's also a sport. So it's like this weird dichotomy
between it being your job and your profession and it
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being a child's game that you actually get an opportunity
to have a job and make your profession and get
paid for doing it. So I tried to put it
in context. If a open heart surgery was taking place,
and every team member that was was there and task
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with a duty to make sure that that surgery was
a successful surgery, and someone didn't feel as though they
were being appreciated the way that they wanted to be appreciated,
or being paid attention to the way they wanted to
be paid attention to, and they walked out of the
operating room during that procedure. How will we view that person?
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How would we view them? If if this was in
the military, and you were on the battlefield and there
was a live firefight taking place and you didn't feel
like something was right about how you felt the situation
was taking place, and you left the battlefield during an
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open fire firefight and said, I'm I'm out of here,
I don't want to do it, I'm done. I'll find
my way home, and then puts on social media. You know,
I'm having a good time. I'm I'm rolling around New York.
I'm good to go. At some point, you gotta look
at it, and you gotta say to yourself, when someone
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executes the way that he did, it doesn't you're not
absolved because you can use he needs help, he's he's disturbed,
he's mentally he's mentally and emotionally unstable. You can't absolve
the culpability of what took play as based off of
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those things. If he needs help, then get help. If
he's mentally and emotionally unstable, then seek help. But if
those issues existed before you went into that game. Even
those people who need emotional mental health and have mental
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mental health issues, emotional issues, still have an accountability. They
still owe it to the people that that mass shouldn't
matter the most to them, which is in that locker room.
They should matter enough for that person to be able
to get through. And if it's that bad, if that
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if that emotional mental health is that deteriorated and that
out of whack, then it shouldn't play out on the field.
Meaning there's no way, if you're that emotionally unstable where
you need mental health help, that it's not sought after
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long before he gets to the football field. To think that,
to think that you pay millions of dollars to to
your employees and you're not going to make sure that
they are in the best condition that they could possibly
be in, especially if the history of it is is
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it's out there, you're aware of it, you've made book
that A B is someone that you gotta pay attention
to it that way, let's keep that in mind. A
B's somebody that we already know that you have to
keep and take that into consideration where he's at mentally
and emotionally. So to think that that was a lack
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of care for a B. Is inaccurate to think that
there was not attention paid towards a B in terms
of what his emotional and mental, you know, health was.
Tom Brady goes over and checks on the dude, he
had nothing for him, and you could tell at that
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point in time, which you would assume the only person
that would maybe be able to talk to him and
reach them and has put theirselfs on the line for
him over and over again, has been Tom Brady. Tom
Brady walked off. It's walked off, like, can't talk to you,
like you're gonna do what you're gonna do. I said
what I had to say, walked off. So to me
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coming in here, I'm not I'm usually pro player and
pro pro approach to say he should he should get attention.
I'm praying for you, a B. You need help, and
I hope you get the help that you need. That
would be disingenuous of me to come in here and
say that, because to me, I think he's selfish. I
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think he's self centered. I think that he's self driven.
I think that everything that matters to a B resid
nates and starts with a B and and that was
his undoing, and that has been his undoing, and it's
been his undoing for quite some time now. And I'm
not going to absolve him from being responsible for what
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it is that he did and letting the people down
around him that were accountable to him and accountable to
that team. And in this situation, I mean, like, there
are two things can be true. Um, mental health is important.
It's a real thing. We should always pay attention to
it and always be aware of it. And also he
may just be an a hole. I mean period, Like,
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like the two things can be true. And whatever his
issues are, there were multiple opportunities throughout his NFL career
to figure it out. There were multiple opportunities in New
England to figure it out, Pittsburgh to figure it out.
He walked out on Pittsburgh. He walked out on New England.
He goes to the Raiders. That was a disaster. Then
he gets another opportunity. He wins a Super Bowl. He's
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in Tampa with them need him because of the injuries
they have to Godwin and everything else that's going on.
And in the middle of a game they tried to
work him back in. Bruce Arians tried to get him in.
Didn't want any part of it. Tom Brady tried to
talk to him, didn't want any part of it. Uh.
At one point Mike Evans tried to stop him from
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taking his shoulder pads off, and he didn't want any
part of it. He just walked away. He's been given
multiple opportunities. He made his choice, and there's a lot
of people that are going to maybe play the violins
for him and feel bad for him and say we
should wait and see all we can wait and see
all we want, or we can actually acknowledge what we
did see What was a guy walk out on his
team in the middle of a game, throw his apparel
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into the crowd, and leave his team hanging when they
really needed a period. But even but tom Brady did
check off. Tom Brady did check was was Mike Evans.
It's just like I mean, at some point, man, and
anybody who's ever dealt with somebody who's had issues, and
I have family members that have that have you know,
major action issues, all all of that stuff, so I
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have intimate knowledge with how this works. At some point,
you can't help everybody. They gotta want to help themselves.
And until he doesn't in his mind, he doesn't think
he needs help, he doesn't think that he's he does
not think that he is a detriment. He does not
see himself as a liability. And that's why that's where
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the alternate universe that some guys his success has has
ultimately been probably his biggest it will be his biggest
undoing because of the amount of success that he's had
and the amount of influence that he's been able to
create during the course of his career, it has led
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him to live in a universe where all things that
he does are acceptable. You're wrong if you if you're
sitting here saying something about a B that isn't correct,
you're wrong. You're incorrect. And that's where the issue comes in.
It's uh, just a crazy, crazy story to to monitor.
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But but here we go to the Antonio Brown. Before
you do the read, here's the conclusion of of of
being an eye person and ultimate team sport is your
teammates will ultimately look at you like you have fifteen
eyeballs on your head as you're doing what you're doing
and acting out the way that you're acting out, and
then you lose the sanctity and the integrity of what
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being a teammate to those team members represents, and you
have alienated yourself from that group, right, and then now
you have to live with the fact that a team
stayed together in a in a game where they were losing,
they stayed together and they still won the game. So
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this isn't in spite of situations. It's not like a B.
S tantrum and and melt down, if we want to
call it, that costed them the game. It's like, oh, guys,
we lost our we would beat the equivalent. Oh gosh,
we lost Tom Brady. Tom Brady had a melt now, right,
they were still able to win the game. This is you.
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You have been a fill in piece from the time
you've got there, and whether that's a part of it
that that led to you not feeling a certain type
of way that you're not getting the type of attention,
or being treated the way that some of these other
guys are being treated, or getting to your your incentives
and and escalators, whatever it is. The game still went on,
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they still won the game, and you lost the trust
of everyone in that locker room. Think about that. Yeah,
lost was a lot was lost in that situations. Respect
I'll be honest, I lost a ton of respect for him.
I think, I think a lot of I don't even
I don't even know him. I've i've I've interviewed him
a few times, don't know him in to mentally, But
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I lost a ton of respect for the person that
I thought were the player, person that I thought he
was when he did what I gave him a lot
of reprieve and in situations past, a lot of a
lot of you know, a lot of lost respect. Be
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Here we Go Again, LaVar Arrington. The Dallas Cowboys are
the most frustrating team to figure out in the NFL.
Uh my god, I I don't. But it's it's almost
like you just I was expecting something bad was gonna happen.
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I liked Arizona plus the six points on the road.
I thought, you know, I know, Arizona has not looked
like a very good team lately, and they've been struggling
down the stretch Oh yeah, Cliff Kingsbury's got a track
record going all the way back to Texas Tech and
and just his inability to to close out seasons and
and all that stuff. And then they go on there
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yesterday and look the Dallas Cowboys, and several of them
made comments afterwards. They can bitch and complain all they
want about the penalties. They can cry about the fumble
at the end of the game, which absolutely was a
fumble on Chase Edmonds, but they were outside the two
minute window. They had no timeouts left to challenge him.
That's on them. They can complain all they want. Arizona
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dominated that football game. They were the better team from
start to finish. And here we go again with trying
to figure out what the hell the Dallas Cowboys are. Well,
here we go again trying to figure out why what
was considered to be the strong point of this team
is now consistently being questioned as to what do we
have here, which is the Dallas Cowboys offense. I mean,
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we have much maligned their defense and said if they
could get their defense together that they would be fine.
And the idea of getting your offensive lineback healthy and
and having that scenario play out the way that it
played out, It just it just throws you off when
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you think about the fact that, all right, Dac was
able to throw for three touchdowns in the game. I
get that, and that's not bad, but his production in
his output was not very it's just not very high.
Two hundred yards and that type of game not very high.
The running attack continues to be a a thing, right, Like,
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if you think about it, this is this is damning information.
Dak Prescott was your leading rusher in the game. He wait,
hold on, wait, wait wait, Dak Prescott was your leading
US wait at twenty yards gave Dak Prescott enough yardage
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to outrush Ezekiel, Elliott and Tony Potter. You think that
was the plan coming into the season, They were like, Hey,
you know, when we finally get to the new year,
week sevent team, when we've got a lot to play for,
let's rely on the legs of a guy who broke
his a year prior to trying to to to to
win an important game for us down the stretch. Hey,
bro those three combine Dak, Ezekiel and Tony Pollard together
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with seventeen rushes for forty five yards. So the biggest
question here and looking at that when we it's so
funny how much we text during the games. But the
one thing is like, man, who's going to contend and
compete against Green Bay? And and I think it was
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Brady the Brady throw on. I was like, man, that's
crazy that we gotta sit here and say the name
that comes out after you say who's going to which
would say second team? Right, that's the second team that
can contend again and compete against Green Bay. This's ain't
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a team that can beat Green Bay right now. No,
this is they don't have enough offense. They got enough defense.
But we saw it last evening that if you have
enough offense for their defense, you gotta have enough offense
to help your defense. And I'm just not seeing that
from Dallas. It's just like you look at it at
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the Cowboys and you go, all right, well, you know,
we know there's been some some issues and guys have
been banged up, maybe on the offensive line, but the
old line is good enough. Um, the receiving corps should
be good enough. Uh, the running backs and and the
running games should be good enough. Dak Prescott is paid
like he's good enough. Yet here we go again, Elliott
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is paid Like enough, I don't. I don't get it.
I don't, I don't. They're just there's it's just so
hit or miss with them. And this isn't a let's
blame the officials. This is it, bro, This is the
conversation we've been having about Dallas for a couple of
years now, Like, this isn't this isn't just a Mike
McCarthy situation. They said, no, like this is a Dallas
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personnel thing or or whatever it is in that building
to where the heat gets turned up, all all eyes
around the Dallas Cowboys and you know they end up,
you know, taking a crap on national television like they
did yesterday, or on Thanksgiving like they did against the Raiders.
Like it's just it's always one of these games that
pops up that you're like, well, how can you depend
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on them to go win a game on the road
in Green Bay? Like, like how can you rely on them?
Like and yesterday it's like they got behind in that
game and I I never at any point watching that
game did you ever get the vibe that like, oh,
Dallas is gonna be okay, Like and now they figured
it out Arizona was better from start to finish. Like
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the start to finish, they were a better team. They
didn't have James Conner, They've got their own issues that
they've been working with. They've been banged up as well too,
and they just went on the road. Kyler Murray's now
eight knowing that stadium, going all the way back to
high school like it just they're just a maddening team,
Just a frustrating team to try and figure out. Dak
Prescott afterwards talked about the situation, the disappointment, and just
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how he was feeling about the friend about the team
at this point. Not discouraged, definitely disappointed we didn't come
with the win. Damn sure. Not discouraged. I know, I
know the team that we have, what we've got, just
simply didn't didn't get it done as a team, starting myself,
got to be better, all of us. We've got to
look at ourselves in the mirror and find a way
to to come out with a win in a game
like this. To get to where we go, we gotta
play the best and obviously this team right here gave
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us their best shot and we came up three points short.
And whoever it is line them up, we'll play here,
We'll play their plays in their backyard or whatever. I've
got a lot of confidence in this team, all right,
because I don't like, I mean, I like where it's
coming from. Listen, I'll just to say this, you you
had critical moments in this game where they could have
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taken control of what was what was going on, and
they weren't able to They they weren't able to do
it on the defensive side of the ball. There was
no moments where you were like, okay, like this is changing,
turning the tide of the game. Um, you know, when
you really look at it from a very critical I uh, well,
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they It's interesting because when we talk about Dak Prescott
in the past, we always say he's a garbage time
stat getter. Yeah, all right, Well, if you think about it,
If you think about it, it was thirteen to seven,
right going in the halftime. Coming out of halftime, they
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put another nine points up, so it was two two
to seven, okay, and then another another three goes up
and in the fourth quarters, so it's and they put
up fifteen points in the fourth quarter. Like, think about it, man, like,
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and I understand that, you know, it's the whole you know, well,
you try to come back late in games and stuff
like that, but a lot of times we saw Dak
Prescott put up his stats late in the game. It's
games like yesterday that make people who are against the
contract extension for Dak Prescott look right, well, there you go.
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I mean, it just does. And and when you're watching
that game, it just it reminded me of empty calories.
Have you ever been really hungry and there's nothing around,
so like a bag of chips at a liquor store,
and afterwards you're like, I mean yeah, Like it's just
like there was nothing fulfilling. Like you watch that game
and you all they only lost to three. It was
a close game against against another playoff team. I mean
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that happens, especially this late in the season. Man, there
were a lot of empty points, just empty yards, empty calories.
I just I come away from that going I don't.
I mean, he could say, line up whoever you want,
and who knows, maybe maybe they're, you know, good enough
to get to an NFC title game the way that
seating works, and and they can get there. But I mean,
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and we're gonna get into the Green Bay side of this.
I just I came away from yesterday going Arizona on
the road yet again, played really good football, undermanned all
of it. And then when you've got guys like uh,
you know, and by the way, credit to Michael Gallup
who made that catch after after tearing he tore his
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a c L and then with one leg went up
in the air and made the catch for a touchdown.
Like there were there were good plays that were made
in that game. But you like Ceedee Lamb had three catches,
a Marie Cooper at three catches. Then Marie Cooper is
getting paid to like a Marie Cooper got a big
time contract. I just they are a maddening team. I
don't know if you're a cowboy fan, I don't know
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how you go into each game every single week and
thinking to yourself, oh no, no no, no, we're good here,
and when you know that this is a very likely
outcome every single time they shut off, it's weird. Man. Well,
their numbers were pedestrian. It's funny because the numbers for
receiving we were very very average as well. Nobody broke
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fifty four yards. Don't Shultz, You're you're tight end was
the most productive past catcher in the game. They just
they just need more production out of their offense. I mean,
we can go back and forth about a lot of
things that you know could be better or what we're thinking.
But again, you have your offensive line back healthy. Again,
everybody knows that you should be able to protect well
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enough for Dad to deliver the balls downfield to his guys.
You should be able to block well enough for Ezekiel
Elliott to get to a century mark or Tony Pollard
get to a century mark, or both of them get
to a century mark. Running the ball we keep talking about.
I bring this up every week. The one thing that
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you know for certain, when you have a team that
has a massive offensive line and you have running backs
in your backfield, running the ball ultimately gives the quarterback
the opportunity to one have safety uh and throwing the
ball because it slows down the pass rush and to
the defenses have to respect the play action, they have
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to respect the run. And so the play action ultimately
creates a lot of opportunity for for that offense that
that is out there, and it opens up the playbook
for you to be able to do more as well.
Let me ask you this as a defender. Do you
think there's any defense or any player in the NFL
that when they see the Dallas Cowboys on the schedule
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look at him and go, we gotta really worry about
Zeke this week. No, Yeah, Like I mean think about that.
Like his he's peaked, right, He's not peaked, it's it's
the downside of his He's on the down. That's a
crazy crazy And the only comp I can think of
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is Todd Gurley, Like, like Todd Gurley was the same guy,
and then all of a sudden there was the injury
and and you know, the the knee stuff, and it
just it became this mystery, like what's wrong with Todd Gurley? Like,
like Zeke and Todd Gurley's careers look really really similar
right now. And if you're Dallas and you get that
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sort of production from from two backs who should be
good enough in a game like that, man, he could
say line them up however you want. You think going
into lambeau Field with that rushing attack is going to
win you a football game on the road, he can
kiss my ass, Like there's no chance. I just they're
just a maddening team to try and figure out and
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then on the other side of it, now you look
at Arizona is like, did they hell themselves? Are they
that they stopped the trend of of nose diving? That
was an important for them. It was a big win
for them. That was that was not only a big
win for for them, that was almost like a must
win for this team because they were hitting in the
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wrong direction so quickly, so fast. I mean, it was
it was as much of a drop off as as
the careers that you're talking about right like, it was
a quick turnaround from being great to not so good.
So to stop the bleeding, so to speak, was was
pretty big. And to see that they had the ability
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to do so was also pretty big because Dallas was
pretty hot coming into this game and and Kyler Cayla
Muri in this Arizona team wasn't. I will say this,
Cala Murray looked healthy totally for the first time in
this game. And whenever Kyler Murray is healthy, the ability
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that he has to be able to extend plays, to
be able to get those those yardage plays where it
pulls the defense off of coverages and different things like that.
He made several different plays that I saw him unable
to make in weeks past prior, and I think it
led to the demise of their their team in those games.
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When Kyler Murray is Kyler Murray at the level of
health where he can move the way he needs to move,
it's a different team. Yeah, they're fun and he's a
fun player to watch. And that also as much as
we want to criticize Kingsbury for the meltdowns late in seasons, uh,
Kyler Murray's health, to your point last year was was
the biggest factor and all of that. But if they
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can be healthy and and this does look like it's
got the potential to be one of the first round
playoff matchups again. So we could see these teams in
a couple of weeks face off again in the first round.
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your podcasts. LaVar Arrington. Uh, the NFC has a problem,
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and that problem is the Green Bay Packers and Aaron Rodgers. Uh.
If last night is any indicator as to what it's
gonna be like at lambeau Field over the next ever weeks, Um,
good luck to whoever wants to try and go in
there and want to playoff game. Who can do it?
I don't think anybody can who can do it? I
think Tampa Bay is too banged up. Um, And and
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now they're even more shorthanded based on what happened with
Antonio Brown. I don't see anybody in the NFC. I
don't I don't see it. I mean it's possible I
think the Rams are a possibility. Again, we threw we
threw Dallas out there. I just don't think dallas Is
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offense is I just don't think they're good enough. I
just don't think dallas Is offense is good enough. The
one the reason why I'm hesitant with the Rams is
because I don't know that Sean McVeigh wants to grind
out a game like if it feels like he's he's
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tempted to. I've got Sony, Michelle, uh, cam Akers May
we worked those guys, you know, back in and run
the ball and play it. But it just feels like
he's got this new toy and Matt Stafford and he
wants to show it off. And I just don't know
that they'd be patient enough to just rely on the
run and just try and win a game like that.
I don't And and look, Matt Stafford, the Rams are
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would be a good possible team to go into lambeau
Field and and pull off a win like that. Matt
Stafford's played there his entire career. He knows that place,
he knows that environment, he knows the situation. Yeah yeah, yeah,
there's that as well too. But I just I came
away from last night looking at that game, and I
know it was Sean Mannion and and Kirk Cousins wasn't
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available and all that. It just that weather and those
conditions just seem like they're a problem. It wasn't. First
of all, green Bay's defense played well last night. Yes,
and then they were talking about it the entire time
that they're missing Darius Smith. Yeah, so imagine getting him
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back and adding him to a lineup where Rasha Rashaw,
Gary rash Gary has has been opposite Preston and the
Smith brothers are reunited and you have now the experience
with Gary. You you just have a rotation that's pretty
pretty phenomenal, uh put on offense. I just don't know
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who is going to slow them down enough where you're
gonna have to have a complete, a complete team to
be able to beat them. And I don't look at
Dallas as that complete team. I don't look at Tampa
Bay as that complete team today. I don't look at
that Rams team as a complete team today. I don't
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look at Arizona as as a complete team today. So
it's almost like green Bay. Green Bay is in this
like it's going to be there side of of the
conferences to lose this. Yeah, And they were talking about
it last night, and it was Collinsworth who made the
point that, like, look, it's all on the table for him,
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I mean, like everything is laid out for him. The
team that went in there last year and beat them
in Lambeau in the NFC at all, not even close,
and and all and the the other point that should
be brought up when it comes to the Packers and
on offense, it's not even just the Aaron Rodgers Davante
Adams um connection, which is the best in the league.
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Davante Adams is the best wide receiver in the NFL.
And to see what he's done with Aaron Rodgers and
the numbers those guys have put up, and they talked
about it a lot on the broadcast last night. Just incredible. Man.
They've got a two headed monster running back, like a legit,
Aaron Jones, A J. Dillon Like, how do you want it?
Do you want Aaron Jones out of the backfield? You
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want him to to slice and dice you? Or do
you just want to pound the football with A J.
Dillon down your throat to finish off a game? I
just I look at them in the a f C.
I don't you could you could, you know, throw anybody
after Kansas City, even though Tennessee is holding the one
spot right now. Tennessee didn't look bad. Yeah they didn't.
And and and Derrick Henry is starting to to get back. Yeah,
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but I don't trust him either. But I look at
the a f C is more up in the air.
I think the NFC is a wrap. I think it's
Green Bay, and I think whoever goes in there is
going to have a problem, no matter who it is.
I just don't see anybody matching up. I just don't
see who can do it. I just do not see
who can do it out of those teams that are
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out there. I mean, I guess you could say lightning
could strike and a team like the Rams could have
one of those days. You could say that Dallas could
have one of those days. I mean, Philly runs the
football is committed. Yeah, they have running well now Mole
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Sanders is still nursing a broken hand. I don't think
you're able to. First off, I'm not putting Philly in
the class of the upper echelon NFC team, so so
I could care less that they can run the ball.
That's let me start there. Uh. But teams that you're
looking at, if Tampa Bay still had Leonard for net,
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if they had Godwin, then now you're saying, okay, this
this is going to turn into a rematch of last
year and we're going to have to see if if
Tom Brady can go into Lambeau and do it again.
But that's not going to be the case this year.
And when you look at the like, you would say
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that Dallas is the that's match up period personnel wise
speaking period. You got two running backs, You've got a
massive good uh offensive line, a Hall of Fame future
Hall of Famer, um Pro bowls all over the place.
You've got receivers, you got a franchise quarterback. Now, your
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defense is playing up to up to par, your defense
is playing out a super high level. You would say
to yourself that it's definitely Dallas. It's their year to
truly contend for the division. But it just doesn't feel
like that, you know, and look if if they there
were times this season and there have been times this
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season where Zeke and Pollard have been a great one
to punch and there's and there's a lot of similarities
between that and what Green Bay is doing. But they're
so hit or miss that I just don't know that
you can rely on them in that environment to go
in there and when a game Arizona is an interesting
one if Connor's healthy, If he's healthy, and you've got
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Chase Edmonds and Kyler Murray uh is mobile enough like
Arizona like they are, Like, that's that's an intriguing matchup.
But man, we don't know if Arizona is going to
be able to even get out of the first round.
I mean, it looks like right now they're gonna draw
Dallas and then you just wait and see how everything
plays out from there. I just I I came away
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from this weekend looking at the a f C going,
all right, we all kind of feel like Kansas City's
the team. And then after that, I mean, it's a
roll of the dice. It could be since, it could
be Buffalo, it could be Tennessee, it could New England. Yeah, Indianapolis,
the Raiders are Chargers, Like I like, none of those
teams would surprise me if they made a run and
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got to an a f C title game. But in
the NFC, if the Chiefs went out in the first
round this year would not surprise the a f C
is completely up in the air. The only team I'm
not sitting here I'm saying I would be blown away
if they didn't make it to the Super Bowl is
Green Bay. I think I think they have widened the
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gap between them and every other team in the NFL.
I think Green Bay is the best team in the league. Um,
And just based on where they're at and that place
and having to go into too Green Bay and going
to lambeau Field like that has to And I know
last year Tampa Bay went in and got it done. Um,
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but that has to wag into the conversation at some point.
If you're a team and you're a player, knowing you
got to go into that place in the postseason, does
that mess with you a little bit heading into that game?
It's cold, man, it's a it's a different type of coal.
When you got to go to lambeau this time of
the year as well, it's just cold. And you better
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have a quarterback that can throw in the cold, and
you better or have a receiving corps that can catch
in the cold and and still throw down in the cold,
because that's a different type of cold. I'm telling you
when they say the frozen tundra, it is the frozen tundra.
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That's a different When you breathe that air in, it
takes your breath away for a moment, Like if you
first get out there, it's like you might even cough
because of how crisps and cold that air is. I
think they have a tremendous advantage. I'm just trying to
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think of a team. I'm just trying to think of
a team that would be able to travel there. Their
defense be good enough, which again, the Rams come to mind.
Where the defense is good enough, the offense comes to mind.
Where the offense could be good enough, the Rams come
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to mind. I just I feel like Arizona, that's that's
a that's a that's a coin flip. That's a toss. Dallas,
that's a toss, because I just don't trust their offense,
and I'm not sure that they'll have enough defense against
Green Bay for four quarters. I just don't. I think
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it's got to be the Rams, or has got to
be and it's crazy to think. I guess you look
at Arizona and you say, again, if Kyler Murray stays healthy,
enough to do what Kyler Murray does, he could be
a problem. And and also another thing that I that
I should have pointed out Arizona is eight and one
on the road. I mean they have all season long
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have shown we will go on the road, but can
they do That's that weather at this time of the year.
And and look, I don't know that a week makes
that much of a difference, but it might to where
all of a sudden, you know, the games that we're
being played at lambeau Field are now being played a
week later then they would in a normal season, so
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that that extra week could could impact you know, the
temperature even a little bitter. It's gonna be cold. It's
a problem. And you're Arizona, so you're from the desert,
like you understand desert night cold, and it gets cold,
gets really cold on those streets, not like they're not
like in Green Bay. Do you remember that the coldest
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moment of your life, like thee where you you can
recall where you were when you were like, that's a
different kind of cold. And one of the times was
in Green Bay one time. One time one time was
in Wisconsin. Wisconsin. Yeah, we were playing against Wisconsin cold.
I can remember walking through uh in downtown Chicago at
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the body remember my last game, the last game of
the season against Chicago, and them Bamas had the nerve
to have luke warm showers. It's straight up, bitch move. Yeah,
that's the home field advantage, luke warm showers. Bro we
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we we came off that field like right, and that's
when you jump into the hot sour and is like right, lukewarm.
So you in the shower life. I could, man. I
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can remember walking in downtown Chicago and you know when
you're when you're there and the wind starts blowing and
it cuts through the buildings. Yeah, I remember we were
my buddy and I were on the street, like going
to get something to eat, and it was middle of
the day and augusta wind blew through and I remember
it hit us and I couldn't breathe. I was like,
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oh my god. And he said, that's the coldest moment
of my life. I was like, I don't, I don't
even know what to and just think playing for three
hours and that like it's I don't I don't think.
I don't think people can actually relate to what a
problem that's going to be but last night coldest game
of the year by by a large margin. And it's
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only gonna get worse. Worse is when it rains. If
it's that cold and it's raining, you could forget about it. Yeah,
you can. That is a no win situation. You you
actually question why am I? Why am I doing this?
Why am I hair right now? Like you question your
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your love of the game. You question why why you
would even do this? You know, one of the guys
and I don't remember the player, but it was on
the documentary they did about the Ice Bowl and one
of the Dallas Cowboy players said it was the first
time in his football career that that he said he
didn't care if they won. He just wanted the game
(47:53):
to be over. Think about that at the championship game
and he's like keep it and I just get inside
and and like put a coat on. And in college,
Joe Paterno did not believe in in the heat of
the heat it benches like we we before we would
be at home games versus like Michigan State and Michigan
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and we'd be looking across the way. We're sitting on
illuminum illuminum benches with with the the jet heaters on
the edge on and they were little. They weren't even
big jet eaters. They were little. And we'll be looking
across and they be all bundled up sitting on them
white benches that have the jet heat shooting through them,
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so you could put your helmet on there. We would
have to keep our helmets on during the game or
put it right over in front of the jet the
jet heater to make your your pads and your helmets
soft enough to put your helmet back on. So these
dudes is putting their helmets back on on the bench
heater where it heats your helmet. While it's heating you.
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Sometimes it gets so warm you gotta get up like,
oh this is really warm. Like I gotta give myself
a little break. This is so warm, right, not us,
We were freezing. It's gonna be freezing as hell in
Lambeau for the postseason, and the number one seat is
there's home field throughout, so Green Bay again going to
be an issue for a lot of teams. Fox Sports
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Fox Sports Radio. Happy New Year, first show of the
New Year for us and how was the New Year's weekend?
Their sticks? It was great man. We finished off your
(00:22):
your Christmas gift. Thank you very much. You got it.
It was very well sipped, very well received by the
people who sipped on it. Did you actually sip it though,
or at some point did you just get frustrated and
say I'm going back to the to the oldie bogoty
and start mixing it. Well, if I'm being on it,
I mean, I don't care. I don't know anything about
I did not. I took. I had to sip it
(00:45):
first off, because I was held accountable that as a
gift from you and it being a sipping tequila that
I sip it. So I did. Yeah. So I did
not drink a whole bunch of it because I am
not a non put anything in it type of guy
with my my drinks. So for those who are true
(01:09):
tequila connoisseurs, Trice who doesn't use anything but a salt
rim and a little bit of line juice um from
a line. I let them, I let them have at it,
and it was it was gone quick. And and here's
the other here's what else was they were using the
big ball of uh you know, the big ball ice know, yeah, yeah,
(01:32):
your I hear you, Yeah, I hear you for sure.
And we also need to get into the spread at
the Arrington House for New Year's because, uh, a couple
of us on this show try to a compete and
then realize, yeah, we're not winning that one. Now, you
guys took care of it and you got it done there.
But it is it is a busy weekend in the
NFL Week seventeen in the books. We got playoff spots
(01:52):
that are clinched. We've got teams that have been eliminated,
we got coaches that are feeling the heat. And then
we've got Antonio Brown, who had the meltdown of all
meltdowns yesterday in the game against the New York Jets.
The Bucks were struggling a little bit, the Jets were
were pretty competitive, and all of a sudden, there's just
(02:12):
a video of Antonio Brown taking off his shoulder pads,
taking off his shirt, throwing his gloves and shirt into
the crowd and then throwing up deuces and just walking
out of the stadium while the game's going on, and
nobody could really figure out what the hell was happening.
No nobody had any idea what was going on. Apparently
(02:34):
Bruce Arians wanted Antonio Brown to go back into the game.
He was not interested in going back into the game.
He had a meltdown. Mike Evans tried to stop him
from leaving, but he bailed. Then he went on to
social media afterwards. He referred to himself as a super Gremlin,
which I think is a phenomenal name. He released a
rap song via Instagram from what I heard. I don't
(02:55):
know if, if if anybody has had a chance to
listen to that, I have not. And now Ruce Arians
after the game, was asked by the media about the situation.
Here's how went down. We want to talk about that
last drive, but I have to start with can you
tell us what happened to Antonio Brown? Did he quit?
I've never seen a guy leave a field like that,
And is this the last strike for him? He is
(03:17):
no longer a book? All right, That's the end of
the story. Let's talk about the guys that were not
doing one game. So there's that, and uh, what a
waste of a fake vaccine card. I mean, you got
of all, like a perfectly good fake vaccine card just
out the window because Antonio Brown has got to have
a that sort of a display of immaturity or whatever
you want to call it, and then just leave in
(03:37):
the middle of the game that was going on with
a B. Yeah, So I was careful to really really
try to put together like deconstructed and then reconstructed before
I came in here and had something to say about it. Uh,
you touched on a lot of it that you know him. Coincidentally,
(03:58):
a rap song that he made was released the same
day he had his UH deal take place. Uh, it
was interesting. He It was reports that he asked the
state troopers to drop him off at the airport. They
told him no. Later on he had a So there
(04:19):
was a social media post of the person driving a
B around that was basically I think he was facetiming
someone or he was recording it and putting it on FaceTime,
putting it on social media, and a B's in the
back of the truck, lounging and and just being what
(04:40):
I guess vintage a B would be in the moment
which was trash talking uh in the situation and it
you know, I kind of looked at I heard what
I heard what Tom Brady said, have compassion for him. Uh.
I heard what Arian said, He's no longer a buck. Uh.
I started to try to put all of those things together.
(05:01):
I saw a lot of famous players. I saw you
Dream Peterson, wig In, hold your head up, King and
different things like that. I saw a lot of people
showing a lot of support and a lot of people
coming out saying, you know, before you start judging him
or you know, ripping him apart, uh, he needs help
and and that's what we should be focusing on. We
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should be praying that he needs help. And that's where
I now come to where I was, you know, contemplating
what was my internal take on this. I thought it
was a temper tantrum that he threw on the sideline,
a temper tantrum of of epic proportion. I thought it
(05:47):
showed a lack of accountability. I thought it showed a
person that is very selfish, it very self driven. I
saw it as as being a person that has an
alternate reality, which some brilliant people. Most brilliant people have
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alternate realities. Antonio Brown lives in a world that's been
created by the environment in the world that he's created,
and he lives in that. And if you don't live
in Abes world, you would never be able to understand
why he does the things that he does, how he
does them, why he does them, and and that's what
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you have to understand, where you will say, on this
side of being an Abies world, you will work your
ass off to the bone. You will work in the
in the off season, and you will do workouts and
route running and training. He's got a legendary work ethic
out of out of this world. But then you have
the same person that will walk out of a game
(06:59):
in the middle of the game and make it a
me me moment and II moment, and how he did it.
If you had if you had an issue with what
was going on and you didn't want to go back
into the game or or whatever the situation was, just
remove yourself from the field if you felt that, if
you felt that strongly about it, just remove yourself from
(07:22):
the field. We can remember Vante Davis did the same
exact thing, and he you know, I quit, I'm done.
And you know, he didn't make a spectacle of it,
he didn't make a scene out of it, and he
just he left that I think he left that halftime,
I don't remember. He realized right then and there, I'm
not helping this team. I don't want to do this anymore.
Just bailed, so and and and a b's alternate reality.
(07:47):
I came to the conclusion, I said to myself, this
is football, and for him to to do what he
did to his team in a football game, ultimate at
lead comes down to it's it's your job, but yeah,
it's also a sport. So it's like this weird dichotomy
between it being your job and your profession and it
(08:11):
being a child's game that you actually get an opportunity
to have a job and make your profession and get
paid for doing it. So I tried to put it
in context. If a open heart surgery was taking place,
and every team member that was was there and task
(08:32):
with a duty to make sure that that surgery was
a successful surgery, and someone didn't feel as though they
were being appreciated the way that they wanted to be appreciated,
or being paid attention to the way they wanted to
be paid attention to, and they walked out of the
operating room during that procedure. How will we view that person?
(08:57):
How would we view them? If if this was in
the military, and you were on the battlefield and there
was a live firefight taking place and you didn't feel
like something was right about how you felt the situation
was taking place, and you left the battlefield during an
(09:19):
open fire firefight and said, I'm I'm out of here,
I don't want to do it, I'm done. I'll find
my way home, and then puts on social media. You know,
I'm having a good time. I'm I'm rolling around New York.
I'm good to go. At some point, you gotta look
at it, and you gotta say to yourself, when someone
(09:39):
executes the way that he did, it doesn't you're not
absolved because you can use he needs help, he's he's disturbed,
he's mentally he's mentally and emotionally unstable. You can't absolve
the culpability of what took play as based off of
(10:01):
those things. If he needs help, then get help. If
he's mentally and emotionally unstable, then seek help. But if
those issues existed before you went into that game. Even
those people who need emotional mental health and have mental
(10:22):
mental health issues, emotional issues, still have an accountability. They
still owe it to the people that that mass shouldn't
matter the most to them, which is in that locker room.
They should matter enough for that person to be able
to get through. And if it's that bad, if that
(10:42):
if that emotional mental health is that deteriorated and that
out of whack, then it shouldn't play out on the field.
Meaning there's no way, if you're that emotionally unstable where
you need mental health help, that it's not sought after
(11:09):
long before he gets to the football field. To think that,
to think that you pay millions of dollars to to
your employees and you're not going to make sure that
they are in the best condition that they could possibly
be in, especially if the history of it is is
(11:29):
it's out there, you're aware of it, you've made book
that A B is someone that you gotta pay attention
to it that way, let's keep that in mind. A
B's somebody that we already know that you have to
keep and take that into consideration where he's at mentally
and emotionally. So to think that that was a lack
(11:50):
of care for a B. Is inaccurate to think that
there was not attention paid towards a B in terms
of what his emotional and mental, you know, health was.
Tom Brady goes over and checks on the dude, he
had nothing for him, and you could tell at that
(12:11):
point in time, which you would assume the only person
that would maybe be able to talk to him and
reach them and has put theirselfs on the line for
him over and over again, has been Tom Brady. Tom
Brady walked off. It's walked off, like, can't talk to you,
like you're gonna do what you're gonna do. I said
what I had to say, walked off. So to me
(12:31):
coming in here, I'm not I'm usually pro player and
pro pro approach to say he should he should get attention.
I'm praying for you, a B. You need help, and
I hope you get the help that you need. That
would be disingenuous of me to come in here and
say that, because to me, I think he's selfish. I
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think he's self centered. I think that he's self driven.
I think that everything that matters to a B resid
nates and starts with a B and and that was
his undoing, and that has been his undoing, and it's
been his undoing for quite some time now. And I'm
not going to absolve him from being responsible for what
(13:15):
it is that he did and letting the people down
around him that were accountable to him and accountable to
that team. And in this situation, I mean, like, there
are two things can be true. Um, mental health is important.
It's a real thing. We should always pay attention to
it and always be aware of it. And also he
may just be an a hole. I mean period, Like,
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like the two things can be true. And whatever his
issues are, there were multiple opportunities throughout his NFL career
to figure it out. There were multiple opportunities in New
England to figure it out, Pittsburgh to figure it out.
He walked out on Pittsburgh. He walked out on New England.
He goes to the Raiders. That was a disaster. Then
he gets another opportunity. He wins a Super Bowl. He's
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in Tampa with them need him because of the injuries
they have to Godwin and everything else that's going on.
And in the middle of a game they tried to
work him back in. Bruce Arians tried to get him in.
Didn't want any part of it. Tom Brady tried to
talk to him, didn't want any part of it. Uh.
At one point Mike Evans tried to stop him from
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taking his shoulder pads off, and he didn't want any
part of it. He just walked away. He's been given
multiple opportunities. He made his choice, and there's a lot
of people that are going to maybe play the violins
for him and feel bad for him and say we
should wait and see all we can wait and see
all we want, or we can actually acknowledge what we
did see What was a guy walk out on his
team in the middle of a game, throw his apparel
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into the crowd, and leave his team hanging when they
really needed a period. But even but tom Brady did
check off. Tom Brady did check was was Mike Evans.
It's just like I mean, at some point, man, and
anybody who's ever dealt with somebody who's had issues, and
I have family members that have that have you know,
major action issues, all all of that stuff, so I
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have intimate knowledge with how this works. At some point,
you can't help everybody. They gotta want to help themselves.
And until he doesn't in his mind, he doesn't think
he needs help, he doesn't think that he's he does
not think that he is a detriment. He does not
see himself as a liability. And that's why that's where
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the alternate universe that some guys his success has has
ultimately been probably his biggest it will be his biggest
undoing because of the amount of success that he's had
and the amount of influence that he's been able to
create during the course of his career, it has led
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him to live in a universe where all things that
he does are acceptable. You're wrong if you if you're
sitting here saying something about a B that isn't correct,
you're wrong. You're incorrect. And that's where the issue comes in.
It's uh, just a crazy, crazy story to to monitor.
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But but here we go to the Antonio Brown. Before
you do the read, here's the conclusion of of of
being an eye person and ultimate team sport is your
teammates will ultimately look at you like you have fifteen
eyeballs on your head as you're doing what you're doing
and acting out the way that you're acting out, and
then you lose the sanctity and the integrity of what
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being a teammate to those team members represents, and you
have alienated yourself from that group, right, and then now
you have to live with the fact that a team
stayed together in a in a game where they were losing,
they stayed together and they still won the game. So
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this isn't in spite of situations. It's not like a B.
S tantrum and and melt down, if we want to
call it, that costed them the game. It's like, oh, guys,
we lost our we would beat the equivalent. Oh gosh,
we lost Tom Brady. Tom Brady had a melt now, right,
they were still able to win the game. This is you.
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You have been a fill in piece from the time
you've got there, and whether that's a part of it
that that led to you not feeling a certain type
of way that you're not getting the type of attention,
or being treated the way that some of these other
guys are being treated, or getting to your your incentives
and and escalators, whatever it is. The game still went on,
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they still won the game, and you lost the trust
of everyone in that locker room. Think about that. Yeah,
lost was a lot was lost in that situations. Respect
I'll be honest, I lost a ton of respect for him.
I think, I think a lot of I don't even
I don't even know him. I've i've I've interviewed him
a few times, don't know him in to mentally, But
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I lost a ton of respect for the person that
I thought were the player, person that I thought he
was when he did what I gave him a lot
of reprieve and in situations past, a lot of a
lot of you know, a lot of lost respect. Be
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Here we Go Again, LaVar Arrington. The Dallas Cowboys are
the most frustrating team to figure out in the NFL.
Uh my god, I I don't. But it's it's almost
like you just I was expecting something bad was gonna happen.
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I liked Arizona plus the six points on the road.
I thought, you know, I know, Arizona has not looked
like a very good team lately, and they've been struggling
down the stretch Oh yeah, Cliff Kingsbury's got a track
record going all the way back to Texas Tech and
and just his inability to to close out seasons and
and all that stuff. And then they go on there
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yesterday and look the Dallas Cowboys, and several of them
made comments afterwards. They can bitch and complain all they
want about the penalties. They can cry about the fumble
at the end of the game, which absolutely was a
fumble on Chase Edmonds, but they were outside the two
minute window. They had no timeouts left to challenge him.
That's on them. They can complain all they want. Arizona
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dominated that football game. They were the better team from
start to finish. And here we go again with trying
to figure out what the hell the Dallas Cowboys are. Well,
here we go again trying to figure out why what
was considered to be the strong point of this team
is now consistently being questioned as to what do we
have here, which is the Dallas Cowboys offense. I mean,
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we have much maligned their defense and said if they
could get their defense together that they would be fine.
And the idea of getting your offensive lineback healthy and
and having that scenario play out the way that it
played out, It just it just throws you off when
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you think about the fact that, all right, Dac was
able to throw for three touchdowns in the game. I
get that, and that's not bad, but his production in
his output was not very it's just not very high.
Two hundred yards and that type of game not very high.
The running attack continues to be a a thing, right, Like,
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if you think about it, this is this is damning information.
Dak Prescott was your leading rusher in the game. He wait,
hold on, wait, wait wait, Dak Prescott was your leading
US wait at twenty yards gave Dak Prescott enough yardage
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to outrush Ezekiel, Elliott and Tony Potter. You think that
was the plan coming into the season, They were like, Hey,
you know, when we finally get to the new year,
week sevent team, when we've got a lot to play for,
let's rely on the legs of a guy who broke
his a year prior to trying to to to to
win an important game for us down the stretch. Hey,
bro those three combine Dak, Ezekiel and Tony Pollard together
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with seventeen rushes for forty five yards. So the biggest
question here and looking at that when we it's so
funny how much we text during the games. But the
one thing is like, man, who's going to contend and
compete against Green Bay? And and I think it was
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Brady the Brady throw on. I was like, man, that's
crazy that we gotta sit here and say the name
that comes out after you say who's going to which
would say second team? Right, that's the second team that
can contend again and compete against Green Bay. This's ain't
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a team that can beat Green Bay right now. No,
this is they don't have enough offense. They got enough defense.
But we saw it last evening that if you have
enough offense for their defense, you gotta have enough offense
to help your defense. And I'm just not seeing that
from Dallas. It's just like you look at it at
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the Cowboys and you go, all right, well, you know,
we know there's been some some issues and guys have
been banged up, maybe on the offensive line, but the
old line is good enough. Um, the receiving corps should
be good enough. Uh, the running backs and and the
running games should be good enough. Dak Prescott is paid
like he's good enough. Yet here we go again, Elliott
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is paid Like enough, I don't. I don't get it.
I don't, I don't. They're just there's it's just so
hit or miss with them. And this isn't a let's
blame the officials. This is it, bro, This is the
conversation we've been having about Dallas for a couple of
years now, Like, this isn't this isn't just a Mike
McCarthy situation. They said, no, like this is a Dallas
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personnel thing or or whatever it is in that building
to where the heat gets turned up, all all eyes
around the Dallas Cowboys and you know they end up,
you know, taking a crap on national television like they
did yesterday, or on Thanksgiving like they did against the Raiders.
Like it's just it's always one of these games that
pops up that you're like, well, how can you depend
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on them to go win a game on the road
in Green Bay? Like, like how can you rely on them?
Like and yesterday it's like they got behind in that
game and I I never at any point watching that
game did you ever get the vibe that like, oh,
Dallas is gonna be okay, Like and now they figured
it out Arizona was better from start to finish. Like
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the start to finish, they were a better team. They
didn't have James Conner, They've got their own issues that
they've been working with. They've been banged up as well too,
and they just went on the road. Kyler Murray's now
eight knowing that stadium, going all the way back to
high school like it just they're just a maddening team,
Just a frustrating team to try and figure out. Dak
Prescott afterwards talked about the situation, the disappointment, and just
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how he was feeling about the friend about the team
at this point. Not discouraged, definitely disappointed we didn't come
with the win. Damn sure. Not discouraged. I know, I
know the team that we have, what we've got, just
simply didn't didn't get it done as a team, starting myself,
got to be better, all of us. We've got to
look at ourselves in the mirror and find a way
to to come out with a win in a game
like this. To get to where we go, we gotta
play the best and obviously this team right here gave
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us their best shot and we came up three points short.
And whoever it is line them up, we'll play here,
We'll play their plays in their backyard or whatever. I've
got a lot of confidence in this team, all right,
because I don't like, I mean, I like where it's
coming from. Listen, I'll just to say this, you you
had critical moments in this game where they could have
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taken control of what was what was going on, and
they weren't able to They they weren't able to do
it on the defensive side of the ball. There was
no moments where you were like, okay, like this is changing,
turning the tide of the game. Um, you know, when
you really look at it from a very critical I uh, well,
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they It's interesting because when we talk about Dak Prescott
in the past, we always say he's a garbage time
stat getter. Yeah, all right, Well, if you think about it,
If you think about it, it was thirteen to seven,
right going in the halftime. Coming out of halftime, they
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put another nine points up, so it was two two
to seven, okay, and then another another three goes up
and in the fourth quarters, so it's and they put
up fifteen points in the fourth quarter. Like, think about it, man, like,
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and I understand that, you know, it's the whole you know, well,
you try to come back late in games and stuff
like that, but a lot of times we saw Dak
Prescott put up his stats late in the game. It's
games like yesterday that make people who are against the
contract extension for Dak Prescott look right, well, there you go.
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I mean, it just does. And and when you're watching
that game, it just it reminded me of empty calories.
Have you ever been really hungry and there's nothing around,
so like a bag of chips at a liquor store,
and afterwards you're like, I mean yeah, Like it's just
like there was nothing fulfilling. Like you watch that game
and you all they only lost to three. It was
a close game against against another playoff team. I mean
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that happens, especially this late in the season. Man, there
were a lot of empty points, just empty yards, empty calories.
I just I come away from that going I don't.
I mean, he could say, line up whoever you want,
and who knows, maybe maybe they're, you know, good enough
to get to an NFC title game the way that
seating works, and and they can get there. But I mean,
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and we're gonna get into the Green Bay side of this.
I just I came away from yesterday going Arizona on
the road yet again, played really good football, undermanned all
of it. And then when you've got guys like uh,
you know, and by the way, credit to Michael Gallup
who made that catch after after tearing he tore his
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a c L and then with one leg went up
in the air and made the catch for a touchdown.
Like there were there were good plays that were made
in that game. But you like Ceedee Lamb had three catches,
a Marie Cooper at three catches. Then Marie Cooper is
getting paid to like a Marie Cooper got a big
time contract. I just they are a maddening team. I
don't know if you're a cowboy fan, I don't know
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how you go into each game every single week and
thinking to yourself, oh no, no no, no, we're good here,
and when you know that this is a very likely
outcome every single time they shut off, it's weird. Man. Well,
their numbers were pedestrian. It's funny because the numbers for
receiving we were very very average as well. Nobody broke
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fifty four yards. Don't Shultz, You're you're tight end was
the most productive past catcher in the game. They just
they just need more production out of their offense. I mean,
we can go back and forth about a lot of
things that you know could be better or what we're thinking.
But again, you have your offensive line back healthy. Again,
everybody knows that you should be able to protect well
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enough for Dad to deliver the balls downfield to his guys.
You should be able to block well enough for Ezekiel
Elliott to get to a century mark or Tony Pollard
get to a century mark, or both of them get
to a century mark. Running the ball we keep talking about.
I bring this up every week. The one thing that
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you know for certain, when you have a team that
has a massive offensive line and you have running backs
in your backfield, running the ball ultimately gives the quarterback
the opportunity to one have safety uh and throwing the
ball because it slows down the pass rush and to
the defenses have to respect the play action, they have
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to respect the run. And so the play action ultimately
creates a lot of opportunity for for that offense that
that is out there, and it opens up the playbook
for you to be able to do more as well.
Let me ask you this as a defender. Do you
think there's any defense or any player in the NFL
that when they see the Dallas Cowboys on the schedule
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look at him and go, we gotta really worry about
Zeke this week. No, Yeah, Like I mean think about that.
Like his he's peaked, right, He's not peaked, it's it's
the downside of his He's on the down. That's a
crazy crazy And the only comp I can think of
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is Todd Gurley, Like, like Todd Gurley was the same guy,
and then all of a sudden there was the injury
and and you know, the the knee stuff, and it
just it became this mystery, like what's wrong with Todd Gurley? Like,
like Zeke and Todd Gurley's careers look really really similar
right now. And if you're Dallas and you get that
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sort of production from from two backs who should be
good enough in a game like that, man, he could
say line them up however you want. You think going
into lambeau Field with that rushing attack is going to
win you a football game on the road, he can
kiss my ass, Like there's no chance. I just they're
just a maddening team to try and figure out and
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then on the other side of it, now you look
at Arizona is like, did they hell themselves? Are they
that they stopped the trend of of nose diving? That
was an important for them. It was a big win
for them. That was that was not only a big
win for for them, that was almost like a must
win for this team because they were hitting in the
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wrong direction so quickly, so fast. I mean, it was
it was as much of a drop off as as
the careers that you're talking about right like, it was
a quick turnaround from being great to not so good.
So to stop the bleeding, so to speak, was was
pretty big. And to see that they had the ability
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to do so was also pretty big because Dallas was
pretty hot coming into this game and and Kyler Cayla
Muri in this Arizona team wasn't. I will say this,
Cala Murray looked healthy totally for the first time in
this game. And whenever Kyler Murray is healthy, the ability
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that he has to be able to extend plays, to
be able to get those those yardage plays where it
pulls the defense off of coverages and different things like that.
He made several different plays that I saw him unable
to make in weeks past prior, and I think it
led to the demise of their their team in those games.
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When Kyler Murray is Kyler Murray at the level of
health where he can move the way he needs to move,
it's a different team. Yeah, they're fun and he's a
fun player to watch. And that also as much as
we want to criticize Kingsbury for the meltdowns late in seasons, uh,
Kyler Murray's health, to your point last year was was
the biggest factor and all of that. But if they
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can be healthy and and this does look like it's
got the potential to be one of the first round
playoff matchups again. So we could see these teams in
a couple of weeks face off again in the first round.
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your podcasts. LaVar Arrington. Uh, the NFC has a problem,
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and that problem is the Green Bay Packers and Aaron Rodgers. Uh.
If last night is any indicator as to what it's
gonna be like at lambeau Field over the next ever weeks, Um,
good luck to whoever wants to try and go in
there and want to playoff game. Who can do it?
I don't think anybody can who can do it? I
think Tampa Bay is too banged up. Um, And and
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now they're even more shorthanded based on what happened with
Antonio Brown. I don't see anybody in the NFC. I
don't I don't see it. I mean it's possible I
think the Rams are a possibility. Again, we threw we
threw Dallas out there. I just don't think dallas Is
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offense is I just don't think they're good enough. I
just don't think dallas Is offense is good enough. The
one the reason why I'm hesitant with the Rams is
because I don't know that Sean McVeigh wants to grind
out a game like if it feels like he's he's
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tempted to. I've got Sony, Michelle, uh, cam Akers May
we worked those guys, you know, back in and run
the ball and play it. But it just feels like
he's got this new toy and Matt Stafford and he
wants to show it off. And I just don't know
that they'd be patient enough to just rely on the
run and just try and win a game like that.
I don't And and look, Matt Stafford, the Rams are
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would be a good possible team to go into lambeau
Field and and pull off a win like that. Matt
Stafford's played there his entire career. He knows that place,
he knows that environment, he knows the situation. Yeah yeah, yeah,
there's that as well too. But I just I came
away from last night looking at that game, and I
know it was Sean Mannion and and Kirk Cousins wasn't
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available and all that. It just that weather and those
conditions just seem like they're a problem. It wasn't. First
of all, green Bay's defense played well last night. Yes,
and then they were talking about it the entire time
that they're missing Darius Smith. Yeah, so imagine getting him
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back and adding him to a lineup where Rasha Rashaw,
Gary rash Gary has has been opposite Preston and the
Smith brothers are reunited and you have now the experience
with Gary. You you just have a rotation that's pretty
pretty phenomenal, uh put on offense. I just don't know
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who is going to slow them down enough where you're
gonna have to have a complete, a complete team to
be able to beat them. And I don't look at
Dallas as that complete team. I don't look at Tampa
Bay as that complete team today. I don't look at
that Rams team as a complete team today. I don't
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look at Arizona as as a complete team today. So
it's almost like green Bay. Green Bay is in this
like it's going to be there side of of the
conferences to lose this. Yeah, And they were talking about
it last night, and it was Collinsworth who made the
point that, like, look, it's all on the table for him,
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I mean, like everything is laid out for him. The
team that went in there last year and beat them
in Lambeau in the NFC at all, not even close,
and and all and the the other point that should
be brought up when it comes to the Packers and
on offense, it's not even just the Aaron Rodgers Davante
Adams um connection, which is the best in the league.
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Davante Adams is the best wide receiver in the NFL.
And to see what he's done with Aaron Rodgers and
the numbers those guys have put up, and they talked
about it a lot on the broadcast last night. Just incredible. Man.
They've got a two headed monster running back, like a legit,
Aaron Jones, A J. Dillon Like, how do you want it?
Do you want Aaron Jones out of the backfield? You
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want him to to slice and dice you? Or do
you just want to pound the football with A J.
Dillon down your throat to finish off a game? I
just I look at them in the a f C.
I don't you could you could, you know, throw anybody
after Kansas City, even though Tennessee is holding the one
spot right now. Tennessee didn't look bad. Yeah they didn't.
And and and Derrick Henry is starting to to get back. Yeah,
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but I don't trust him either. But I look at
the a f C is more up in the air.
I think the NFC is a wrap. I think it's
Green Bay, and I think whoever goes in there is
going to have a problem, no matter who it is.
I just don't see anybody matching up. I just don't
see who can do it. I just do not see
who can do it out of those teams that are
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out there. I mean, I guess you could say lightning
could strike and a team like the Rams could have
one of those days. You could say that Dallas could
have one of those days. I mean, Philly runs the
football is committed. Yeah, they have running well now Mole
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Sanders is still nursing a broken hand. I don't think
you're able to. First off, I'm not putting Philly in
the class of the upper echelon NFC team, so so
I could care less that they can run the ball.
That's let me start there. Uh. But teams that you're
looking at, if Tampa Bay still had Leonard for net,
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if they had Godwin, then now you're saying, okay, this
this is going to turn into a rematch of last
year and we're going to have to see if if
Tom Brady can go into Lambeau and do it again.
But that's not going to be the case this year.
And when you look at the like, you would say
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that Dallas is the that's match up period personnel wise
speaking period. You got two running backs, You've got a
massive good uh offensive line, a Hall of Fame future
Hall of Famer, um Pro bowls all over the place.
You've got receivers, you got a franchise quarterback. Now, your
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defense is playing up to up to par, your defense
is playing out a super high level. You would say
to yourself that it's definitely Dallas. It's their year to
truly contend for the division. But it just doesn't feel
like that, you know, and look if if they there
were times this season and there have been times this
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season where Zeke and Pollard have been a great one
to punch and there's and there's a lot of similarities
between that and what Green Bay is doing. But they're
so hit or miss that I just don't know that
you can rely on them in that environment to go
in there and when a game Arizona is an interesting
one if Connor's healthy, If he's healthy, and you've got
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Chase Edmonds and Kyler Murray uh is mobile enough like
Arizona like they are, Like, that's that's an intriguing matchup.
But man, we don't know if Arizona is going to
be able to even get out of the first round.
I mean, it looks like right now they're gonna draw
Dallas and then you just wait and see how everything
plays out from there. I just I I came away
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from this weekend looking at the a f C going,
all right, we all kind of feel like Kansas City's
the team. And then after that, I mean, it's a
roll of the dice. It could be since, it could
be Buffalo, it could be Tennessee, it could New England. Yeah, Indianapolis,
the Raiders are Chargers, Like I like, none of those
teams would surprise me if they made a run and
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got to an a f C title game. But in
the NFC, if the Chiefs went out in the first
round this year would not surprise the a f C
is completely up in the air. The only team I'm
not sitting here I'm saying I would be blown away
if they didn't make it to the Super Bowl is
Green Bay. I think I think they have widened the
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gap between them and every other team in the NFL.
I think Green Bay is the best team in the league. Um,
And just based on where they're at and that place
and having to go into too Green Bay and going
to lambeau Field like that has to And I know
last year Tampa Bay went in and got it done. Um,
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but that has to wag into the conversation at some point.
If you're a team and you're a player, knowing you
got to go into that place in the postseason, does
that mess with you a little bit heading into that game?
It's cold, man, it's a it's a different type of coal.
When you got to go to lambeau this time of
the year as well, it's just cold. And you better
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have a quarterback that can throw in the cold, and
you better or have a receiving corps that can catch
in the cold and and still throw down in the cold,
because that's a different type of cold. I'm telling you
when they say the frozen tundra, it is the frozen tundra.
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That's a different When you breathe that air in, it
takes your breath away for a moment, Like if you
first get out there, it's like you might even cough
because of how crisps and cold that air is. I
think they have a tremendous advantage. I'm just trying to
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think of a team. I'm just trying to think of
a team that would be able to travel there. Their
defense be good enough, which again, the Rams come to mind.
Where the defense is good enough, the offense comes to mind.
Where the offense could be good enough, the Rams come
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to mind. I just I feel like Arizona, that's that's
a that's a that's a coin flip. That's a toss. Dallas,
that's a toss, because I just don't trust their offense,
and I'm not sure that they'll have enough defense against
Green Bay for four quarters. I just don't. I think
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it's got to be the Rams, or has got to
be and it's crazy to think. I guess you look
at Arizona and you say, again, if Kyler Murray stays healthy,
enough to do what Kyler Murray does, he could be
a problem. And and also another thing that I that
I should have pointed out Arizona is eight and one
on the road. I mean they have all season long
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have shown we will go on the road, but can
they do That's that weather at this time of the year.
And and look, I don't know that a week makes
that much of a difference, but it might to where
all of a sudden, you know, the games that we're
being played at lambeau Field are now being played a
week later then they would in a normal season, so
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that that extra week could could impact you know, the
temperature even a little bitter. It's gonna be cold. It's
a problem. And you're Arizona, so you're from the desert,
like you understand desert night cold, and it gets cold,
gets really cold on those streets, not like they're not
like in Green Bay. Do you remember that the coldest
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moment of your life, like thee where you you can
recall where you were when you were like, that's a
different kind of cold. And one of the times was
in Green Bay one time. One time one time was
in Wisconsin. Wisconsin. Yeah, we were playing against Wisconsin cold.
I can remember walking through uh in downtown Chicago at
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the body remember my last game, the last game of
the season against Chicago, and them Bamas had the nerve
to have luke warm showers. It's straight up, bitch move. Yeah,
that's the home field advantage, luke warm showers. Bro we
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we we came off that field like right, and that's
when you jump into the hot sour and is like right, lukewarm.
So you in the shower life. I could, man. I
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can remember walking in downtown Chicago and you know when
you're when you're there and the wind starts blowing and
it cuts through the buildings. Yeah, I remember we were
my buddy and I were on the street, like going
to get something to eat, and it was middle of
the day and augusta wind blew through and I remember
it hit us and I couldn't breathe. I was like,
(46:49):
oh my god. And he said, that's the coldest moment
of my life. I was like, I don't, I don't
even know what to and just think playing for three
hours and that like it's I don't I don't think.
I don't think people can actually relate to what a
problem that's going to be but last night coldest game
of the year by by a large margin. And it's
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only gonna get worse. Worse is when it rains. If
it's that cold and it's raining, you could forget about it. Yeah,
you can. That is a no win situation. You you
actually question why am I? Why am I doing this?
Why am I hair right now? Like you question your
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your love of the game. You question why why you
would even do this? You know, one of the guys
and I don't remember the player, but it was on
the documentary they did about the Ice Bowl and one
of the Dallas Cowboy players said it was the first
time in his football career that that he said he
didn't care if they won. He just wanted the game
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to be over. Think about that at the championship game
and he's like keep it and I just get inside
and and like put a coat on. And in college,
Joe Paterno did not believe in in the heat of
the heat it benches like we we before we would
be at home games versus like Michigan State and Michigan
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and we'd be looking across the way. We're sitting on
illuminum illuminum benches with with the the jet heaters on
the edge on and they were little. They weren't even
big jet eaters. They were little. And we'll be looking
across and they be all bundled up sitting on them
white benches that have the jet heat shooting through them,
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so you could put your helmet on there. We would
have to keep our helmets on during the game or
put it right over in front of the jet the
jet heater to make your your pads and your helmets
soft enough to put your helmet back on. So these
dudes is putting their helmets back on on the bench
heater where it heats your helmet. While it's heating you.
(48:58):
Sometimes it gets so warm you gotta get up like,
oh this is really warm. Like I gotta give myself
a little break. This is so warm, right, not us,
We were freezing. It's gonna be freezing as hell in
Lambeau for the postseason, and the number one seat is
there's home field throughout, so Green Bay again going to
be an issue for a lot of teams. Fox Sports
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