January 4, 2022 • 39 mins
Tuesday on 2 Pros and Cup of Joe, Jonas Knox, Brady Quinn and LaVar Arrington recap Big Ben's last game at Heinz Field. Claims that Antonio Brown couldn't play because of an ankle injury or mental illness ring false and FedEx Field is under more scrutiny after the collapsed railings in the stands.
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Two Pros and a Cup of Joe. Fox Sports Radio,
LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knocks. Coming up on the
Tuesday edition, We're gonna take a look back at Monday
Night football. Ben Roethlisberger says goodbye to hines Field or
does he We will investigate a former teammate of Ben Roethlisberger,
Antonio Brown. He's still in the news a lot of
conversation about what happened with a b and his new
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rap career after he walked out on the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
We're also going to take a closer look at the
Player of the Year odds in the NFL. It looks
like a couple of us might have been dead wrong
about that. We're gonna take a look at the future
of the a f C North. The Joe Judge Meltdown
is on and it's the debut of the b Q
News in two. All of it is yours next year.
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two big time, big time, Yeah yeah, big time up
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the space. Um, you know it's big time. It's Big
Ben yea, not really last night, although they did get
to win, I mean in his career yeah yards pre completion.
I thought we're skyrocketing last night. Um, that's that's Matt
Canada's fault, dude. They I'm telling you that everyone's like,
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well they need to replace Big Ben at something. You
also need to replace your O C alright, Stiller's fans now.
And now you being one of the and you've leveled
in the idea of you know, knocking them out of
the playoffs, are playing well against them, and you guys
beating Pittsburgh when you watch him last night and you
see I came away from that game going all right,
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we're good here, like he's he's never playing anywhere else. Um,
next week will would be his last game, and and
it's it's clear that this is it like that. That
was my big takeaway. I look at it and I go,
this is more like a you know, Drew Brees final
game in New Orleans. It was sort of it was
closer to Eli, I think, because see what you want
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about Breeze at the end of their career, they were
actually going to the playoffs. You know, they were making
playoff runs. They had a team that could do it.
So and even by the way, it never looks pretty
in the end, like people tend to forget, like, yeah,
Peyton won too, But that last season he was there,
he was banged up, he was injured, he didn't he
wasn't doing a whole heck of a lot. It was
that defense, the running game, and him kind of, you know,
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being the general that he was. But it was a
far cry in the Super Bowl he won over the Bears.
There was a lot of air let out of that ball.
I'll tell you that he had a whole lot of
floaters that last season. That but and even with Eli,
you know, it got to a point where obviously the
Giants weren't contending. They really haven't been for the past
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five years and he was in a position where it's
like his play just wasn't that good. He had got
no point where it wasn't. I mean that's what usually happens.
Tom Brady's the outlier. Like we we compare these other
quarterbacks who are Hall of Fame players, and we compare
them to Tom, like it's gonna work out the same
way for them. But it's not, Dude, like this is
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it's so rare. Like I loved well when Tom hit
and it was like forties is low forties. Now he's
in his mid forties. People were like, Oh, this is
gonna be every quarterback movement on the future. No, it's not.
The game is too violent. The game is still as
fast and as as you know, punishing as it's ever been,
and it's not gonna work out this way. Like what
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what Ben did being there for eighteen years, winning two
Super Bowls. I mean, that's that's what you dream of
as a sports fan. It's really really hard to do.
But he was able to do it in one of
the best organizations who continued to build and surrounded with
talent outside of drafting maybe a couple second third round
quarterbacks that he wasn't happy about. For the most part,
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they did everything to build to allow him to have success.
So it's a Hall of Fame career. Um, you know,
I grew up he played a Finlay High school in
Ohio and a Dublin cop and we scrimmaged Finley, we
played Finley. Um, he was older than me, so I
remember as a freshman going and seeing him and you'll
you'll never I don't know how many you guys know this,
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but he was the receiver his entire career Finley until
a senior year because their head coaches son was the quarterback.
And obviously in retrospect, people like what were you doing?
And the funny response from his head coach it is
always like, well, the combination of my son to Ben
at wide receiver was better than the combination of Ben
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to my son at wide receiver. So he's like, we
had to at some point like figure out how this
is gonna work and in order for us to win,
like that gave us the best chance to win at
that point based on our team, or at least that's
what he says. The week. We could touch on that
in a in a different segment. Daddy Ball is always
going to exist. But you know the interesting thing about
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some of the things that you said, Brady is I
mean you were a number twenty two pick in the
first round. I was a number two pick in the
first round. How many playoff games did you play in? Yeah?
You know what I mean? I played in two two
playoff games, like two appearances, one as I was on
injured reserve one year and one year I played two
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And you know what year I went to the to
the playoffs and played in it year year six, year six.
Never touched the playoffs one time my entire career, all
the way up until basically the end. So when you
talk about having the opportunity to come in and inherit
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the type of team that Ben Roethlisberger inherited, with the
type of leadership that that was on that team, I mean,
he'll tell you about Jerome Bettis. You know, guys like
Plexico Burr's were We're getting getting a little older at
the time in their hinds ward right. Well, him and
him in Plexico, him in Plexico are really really close.
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Like Plexico was actually in Pittsburgh yesterday for for the game. Um. Yeah,
but I mean just that amount of talent and leadership
that you have. And then we won't even touch on
the defensive side of the ball, because that's just one
of the best defenses. It's up there that ranks up
there with the best ever in the game. And you
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had the opportunity to step into that situation and and
the type of success that he had. Again they said,
I think they said, at best, there's no one that
that represents heinz Field is as much and embodies what
heinz Field and what Pittsburgh embodies as much as Ben Roethlisberger,
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and and the whole idea of the recency effect that
the conversations of what he looks like now versus what
he looked like when he got into the league, and
you know, he was a human battering ram is the
funny the one the one video, the viral video that
went out of him and warm ups and the one
quarterback was doing the shuffle from the bags and stuff
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like that, and then Ben just gets hit by the
bags and he's just taking the bag and it went viral.
But that was really what Ben built his reputation on,
is extending plays, guys bouncing off of him, him being
able to deliver the ball even and the rest. And
and that was how he handled things. I mean, his
reputation um at times took it's out of you know
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what some would say just being young and immature and
just growing and learning and being a superstar in in
in a football city. But he turned everything seemingly into
what was a win for not only his own career,
but for that city. And and there's not very many
pros that get to go out on those type of terms.
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Well like, even even to Brady's point, it doesn't end
like this, even John Elway. Everybody points to John Elway going, man,
he wanted he went out winning a super Bowl. Yeah,
that's true. He also missed multiple games that year because
he was banged up. His body was he was finished.
The Tom Brady is rarefied air that we're never gonna
see again asked for Roethlisberger. I mean, look, I I
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just I don't know why he would. I can understand
if he's still got the itch to want it like
last night, just told me man like it's over like,
but don't mess it up right like they're the uniqueness
of what he represents as I think that this is
the whole point of this converse station is him being
a Pittsburgher. I don't want to see him anywhere else.
I have no desire to see him anywhere. It's Tom Brady.
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I was fascinated to see, Hey, how would this look?
I have no interest in seeing Ben Roethlisberger play anywhere.
Discourt right, there was no like controversy between Ben Roethlisberger
and Mike Tomlin. You know, you look at the situation.
It became a little interesting between Brady and Belichick and
and you felt like at some points, like, man, maybe
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it's healthy for them to not be around each other
at this point, so, you know, And we talked about Peyton.
Peyton went to a different team. Even even Joe Montana
went to a different team. Guys go to different teams.
It's just something to be said about if you've embraced
a city, you've embodied what a city represents. The city
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embraces you and you guys have that type of relationship.
I think it would be selfish to actually even go
to another the team and risk you're not gonna lose
what you represent it. But it does take a little
bit of the shine off of what you represent it
being that leader for that team, for all those years,
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no doubt about it. And I think the thing about
Ben that stands out to me is, you know, just
the way he kind of grew and involved over his career.
You know, we talked about what he inherited, and you
and I are talking about playoff games like, yeah, I
was a part of two. That was it, man like
one year, fifth year into it and that's it. And
so you know, you talk about what he inherited as
a franchise and and they didn't put it all on
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his shoulders initially. He just needed to make plays when
he had to, and he did. And there was the
second Super Bowl where it was really him, you know,
arguably the greatest play, the greatest single play throw and catch.
You will find it a Super Bowl because that was
to win it. And how he fit that ball in
there amongst it seemed like four Arizona Cardinals defenders and
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Santonio Holmes catching it and then being able to keep
both the inbounds of that sort of body control and
possessed the football was incredible. I mean, that will never
be forgotten. And what he was able to represent in
Pittsburgh for a long period of time, This is a
this is an organization that, you know, how many as
Mike Tomlin had a losing season. No, I mean think
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about that, Like as much as you want to say,
like that's a credit to my time, it's also a
credit to Ben Roethlisberger. That's been his quarterback throughout the
entire thing for him. So it's it's been an incredible
career considering how he's developed over that period of time
with all the change that Pittsburgh's had. I mean, we
can joke about Antonio Brown, the reality is, like, think
about how long that team dealt with that. Whatever one's
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going on behind the scenes, there might be that might
be Hall of Fame worthy, by the way, and I
think there was there was a report out after Antonio
Brown left Pittsburgh and somebody was saying, you have no
idea how bad it was behind the scenes with him,
Like like you have, we have no clue just based
on what we've seen it all on now of course
we've seen uh that, but yeah, I just look, if
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that's the way he's going to go out, then he
goes out getting to win over Cleveland and so he's
only lost three was gonna be this by the way
he embodies Pittsburgh, Yeah, like, there's not many quarterbacks who
get drafted the place where they go play then embody
with the way they play, their style of play, like
what that city is all about. And that's what he's been,
That's what he's done, Like that tough style of play. Uh,
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you know, sometimes it was backyard football, especially early on,
but it was it was a lot of like him
making plays, him making you know, games that looked ugly
and finding a way to make him look pretty in
the end with a win. Like he embodied that and
that's one of those things that it's just it's so
rare to find a player that's gonna be able to
represent that for a city like Pittsburgh. It's a two
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Fox Sports Radio. Now, UM, the Antonio Brown saga and uh,
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that was a that was a wild one. We were
all texting each other going wait did he actually leave
the field and and Brady throughout the Yeah, security thought
it was a fan and I thought you were joking.
Oh no, it turns out that was actually true. Like
security did think it was a fan that just ran
out onto the field. So the whole thing was bizarre.
But Antonio Brown and the saga surrounding it continues. Uh,
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and um, Bruce Arians, the head coach of the Tampa
Bay Buccaneers, of course, was asked about it by the
media yesterday. Here was the back and forth. Can you
fire a player if he won't go because he's injured?
I don't know that he was, did he did he
say that he was? Or was there No, he just
refused to go in or can you tell us more
about it? Not really, I mean, what happens pretty obvious.
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What happened. So you know, he left the field and
that was it. So so that was a Bruce Arian
just talking about the injury aspect, because there is that
side of the equation that's come out now that Antonio
Brown was injured. Of course, Ian Rapp Report reported that
yesterday morning. Uh so now we're hearing, uh that injury
would have been a cause for Antonio Brown not wanting
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to go back into to a game, even though he
ran off the field and was at a basketball game
on Monday night. But never mind all that. Brady Quinn
a b back in the news yet again. Fun stuff.
I think the thing that you would be concerned by
if you're the team is trying to release him, which
they haven't yet, not officially, but maybe as far as
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the press conferences go and and everything else, but they
haven't officially released them. Um, the problem is if there
is some sort of disagreement on the sidelines that has
to do with him not being healthy. He's had an
ankle injury. I believe he was practiced most Thursday and
Friday of that week of the game. You know, obviously
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then the team's in a bit of a rough spot.
That still doesn't change what he did and taking off
his shoulder pads and arguing with guys in the sidelines
and just bouncing and the way he left the game.
So I think the Tampa Bay Bucks were trying to
wait and see if the NFL was gonna do anything,
you know, as far as suspending him for his actions.
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It doesn't appear the NFL is gonna do a thing
about it. And so now this really falls on the
Tampa Bay box and what they want to do and
if they find him or even suspend him. Right when
you get suspended, it's suspended without pay in the NFL.
He's gonna follow grievance and all whatever was said on
the sideline is gonna come to light, and it's gonna
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be a he said he said thing, and I would
imagine they'll either be a settlement, you know, or he
might even end up having his way where he gets
back whatever moneys were would at least be owed to
him for the remainder of the season. Now, I tend
to think that this had more to do with the
fact that in that game, at the time of his departure,
he I don't know if he was within the top
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five targeted receivers, including tight ends. Gronk was the most
targeted at that point, and he had incentives before that
game four receptions and yards and touchdowns, all of which
accumulated to a million dollars if he was in the
final two games to hit those numbers, which he didn't.
And when you hear Tom Brady talk about it, and
just knowing the background of of Antonio Brown, I gotta
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be asked with you, dude, he could be in some
serious stuff off the field and some serious trouble where
like he might need that money, he might need those incentives,
there might be some other things going on. I know
we've talked about, you know, being delicate with with the
mental side of things, and that's true, but there's also
an element of like he might be in trouble and
there might be another reason for him acting out or
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needing money for a certain reason. Um, you know, based
on how he likes to live his life. I mean
that's real like that, that's a real concern. You know.
I spoke my piece on it yesterday. And there have
been a lot of people being very judgmental one way
or together. Right, it's the judgment of don't don't come
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at this guy this way. He needs an intervention, or
he needs help. There's it's mental health, is it's all
those things. And you have people on the other side
of it where it would appear that he's being out
on like oh, he shouldn't have done it, and this,
that and the other. And again I hold true to
what I said yesterday. I thought it was selfish. I
thought it was was a narcissistic action. I did not
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I if I had any respect, I lost it. As
it applies to him, I could care less about people
saying that, you know, that's that's you know, you're off
on that. No, I don't think I'm off. I wouldn't
want a teammate like that. And and everybody's talking about well,
you know, if you hear it, you know hearing Brady say, well,
we need to, you know, help him as much as
we can, and this, that and the other. No, you don't, no,
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you don't. You hope that that he wants to do
whatever it is he needs to do in his personal
life too, to rid himself or help himself of how
he handles things. But make no mistake about it, that
is a pattern of behavior that that he has clear
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really gotten comfortable enough too to execute that way. Tantrum
tantrum tantrum syndrome like that, he throws temper tantrums. I have.
I have a few family members like this. They'll they'll
throw they'll throw temper tantrums, and they'll say some of
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the worst things that they could ever say to you,
and then they'll circle back around and they'll apologize. That's
how they handle things. I'm going to act out of
my emotions right now, and then I'm going to I'll
come back. If anything, I'll come back and I'll apologize
for it, like I don't really mean that whatever it
may be. When I look at this a b situation.
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If you're a doctor, you know, I don't even care
if you're a doctor, because even if you're a doctor,
if you're not examining Antonio Brown, can we please start
with CTE. Can we please stop with with saying, you know,
clinically diagnosing Antonio Brown for his mental health issues? Can
we can we stop there? You know, because because for
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what it's worth, for what it's worth, I think it's
it's bs to do it. And here's the reason why
there are fifty three I guess it's more now. It's
a few more now, but fifty plus rosters man rosters
around the league, thirty two teams. All right, I can remember.
First name that comes off to my mind is the
belcher young fellaw that that took his own life and
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played for Kansas City. I believe at the time, Okay,
mental health has ways of showing you how bad it
really is, and and and and in these scenarios there
are people that truly, truly, truly are crying out for help.
And you know what, those are the issues that that
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you pay attention to to put what Antonio Brown's behavior
was on that sideline in the realm of saying you
can't criticize him, you shouldn't be able. Those coaches don't
care about him, The team didn't care about him. They
left him out there. The way that they did is
that you're a loser, you're your in your life, You're
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probably a loser, You're probably an excuse maker for everything
that happens in your life. And you need to take
a good look at yourself because for all these other
players that are having to deal with whatever their everyday situations,
or I can guarantee you if Aby is in the
situation you think he may be in Brady in terms
of he needs that money, I can guarantee you there
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is a very large percentage of guys that are playing
in the league that needs the money that they're gonna
get and probably don't even have enough. And people may say,
well how is that, Well, because they probably spent it.
They probably spent their money. There are a lot of
people are dealing with mental issues. In terms of baby mama's,
baby mamas are undefeated, I haven't seen I haven't seen
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one lose yet. All right. When you look at when
you look at injuries, injuries are undefeat it. I haven't
seen somebody beat it yet. So when you're talking about
all of the things that you know guys needs support for,
do you know how many guys out there needs support.
And so for all you people that are pinpointing Antonio
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Brown to say he needs help, he needs assistance, it's
mental health, it's CTE, it's it's this, it's that, and
it's the other. Name me, somebody else who needs it.
Name me, somebody else, Give me a name right off
the top of your head. You're sitting somewhere in your car,
you're sitting somewhere listening to that. You'll say, you'll hear
this name somebody else right now in the National Football
League that you believe needs the same assistance. And I
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can guarantee you you probably can't come up with a name,
because it only matters to you when it matters to you.
And that's the bottom line. And in this moment to
try to justify what his actions were, it's not I
do not I do not subscribe to it. I don't
buy it, and and and I don't. I don't feel
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any type of way about having that opinion towards it.
It's not piling on. Think about all the other teammates
on the sideline and what they may be dealing with
and what what's going on in their personal life. But
they choose to have enough control and restraint and how
they handle things in their lives that you, as the public,
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don't become a part of it. When somebody makes their
business public business and you become a part of it,
public opinion is always going to be attached and associated
to what's taking place. So in this situation here, maybe
he does need mental help, maybe he does need an intervention.
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But to say that he is void or he is
not copable for what he did wrong, To say that
that you can't criticize him for what his actions were
on the sideline wrong for you to say that Bruce
Arians in some way is copable for this wrong. I
could keep going down the list of things that you're
wrong about as it applies to this scenario. You had
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a job to do. Do your job. You don't know
enough about talking about mental health to sit there and
say that this is exactly what it is or c
t E. And they should have been been uh more
supportive of him and handled it differently. Wrong, wrong, wrong,
and wrong. Nobody knows whether or not he's got c
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t E. Uh, nobody knows whether or not he's got
serious mental issues. Here's all I know. Uh, he quit
on the Steelers during the season. Uh, he had another
meltdown no pun intended with the cryotherapy chamber with the
Raiders and then quit on them. Uh. Then he gets
to New England and he butchered that with off the
field stuff. And then he got to Tampa Bay and
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he quit on them in the middle of the game
and threw his equipment into the crowd. And for a
guy who needs all this mental help, I mean, he
sure figured out a way to to link up his
rap song right after the game was over and get
on social media and and hang out. I just at
at some point, like you can you can have the
discussion about mental health or you can have the real
discussion in which we know the facts and the facts
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are the guys quit on his team multiple times and
showing you it's him over team every single time and
every single step of the way. Sorry, in New England
for like thirty days, wasn't even that. I don't even
know if it was that because all that stuff came out.
Well no, no, no, no, I get that. But I'm
just I'm just saying, like I would think that we'd
use Bill Belichick as the standard that like that was
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his shortest stint. Maybe people should have kind of keyed
in on that, and obviously he kept things under reps
for a year at least in Tampa before things got
out of control. But the reality is, I mean, what,
there's smoke, there's fire, I mean there's not. It doesn't
smoke anymore. This is like billowing flames, all right. This
is like a burning building. And I'm again I'm not
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gonna try to diagnose or figure out what's going on,
all right, But the reality is is Tampa should have
known what they were getting themselves into. I think they did,
probably with all the stuff that at least was going
on behind the scenes during this season, because whether it's
the ankle injury or whatever, because here's here's the hard
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part about the ankle injury. Can you can you use
the ankle injury and say that's legitimate? I mean, first
it was the cry, frozen feet, the helmet, Like there's
so many things throughout the course of time that we've
heard from him, and I don't know what you can
believe in any of it. Like when it came down
to it with the Raiders, it just seemed like you
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don't want to be there. It wasn't about an injury
or his feet or a helmet, he's do they want
to be there? I mean, it literally has gotten to
a point where I don't know that you can trust
whatever is said about him from an ankle injury to
anyone anything else, because there's always more to the story.
This is a burning building. This isn't where there's smoke,
there's flames. This thing is already on fire. It's just
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a matter of when this thing is gonna burn down.
And I think we're to that point. Will you seen
the video a lot? Yeah, we've seen it. If you
have an injured ankle, I mean, last I checked, when
when I've injured my ankle to the point of where
they can't tape it up and I can't go back
into the game, I'm limping. Like, let's be clear here.
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He wasn't taping at all, not taped and not limping.
Was jogging to a two in his mind and in
Antonio Brown world, to the chairs and the love of
who Antonio Brown is as he left, As he was
leaving stage, he was jogging off of the field waving goodbye.
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So so again, let's be clear here. If it's an
injury situation and your ankle is so sore that you
can't you know, isn't isn't it? Terrell Owens. It's funny
because he came up as a comparison to who's the
bigger diva? Didn't terrell O one was playing the game
with a bro can ankle and was awesome, if your
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ankle is so sore, and I don't gauge anybody's paying thresholds,
all right, I'm not doing that, but I'm saying, if
your ankle is so sore that you can't go back
into the game, and that's the reasoning that you're using,
do you really jog off the field? Do you trot
off of the field? Do you really trot off of
the field? Like, just take that simple piece of information
(28:26):
because I know me, if if my ankle was so
sore that I can't go back into a game due
to injury, that's injury. That's not you're hurting, that's not
you're in pain. That's an injury. If you can't go
back on the field, then how are you jogging your
ass off of it? And also, if he was injured,
(28:47):
wouldn't a trainer have been over there talking with him
at some point on the sidelines, like, hey man, you
can't go in the game. What's going on? How can
I help? Instead it was Mike Evans trying to get
him to stop taking off his shoulder pads, Tom Brady
to try and get him engaged again. O. J. Howard,
so on and so forth. It just he's full of crap.
I mean, let's just call what it is. He's full
of crap. People can can get hung up on on
(29:09):
the mental side of it and have that discussion. All
they want. All we know is the guy bailed on
his team mid game. I mean, just and by the way,
is he is he still roommates with Tom Brady? I mean,
how's that going? You think? Are they still? Are they
still roomed together? Know who's staying in tom Brady's house?
Is he gonna is the rent checking a arriv Is
he gonna burn him like he did those cooks? Pad's
(29:29):
probably so big. I don't I don't know that he
knows whether Antonio Brown is there. That's a good point
in New York. Look, this is a this is all
sub diffuse bye bye, by god daing uh by Antonio Brown.
He wants he whatever it is he chose, and in
that moment, why we had to dump button the guy's dart.
(29:51):
You have to dump button for first first up of
the say, I don't say to take. Maybe maybe a
B is the name, and maybe we need to dump
every time we say a B. You know the but
to to think about. The last two tweets on his
(30:11):
timeline are promoting his new song. The last two tweets
are promoting his song. So he's trying, you know, and
somebody said it, they said it best, and I think
this is this is what it is. Right. He did something,
knowing something to get the results that he wanted. He
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has not only the entire sports world talking about him,
he has the entire media world talking about him. He
is the biggest story, one of the biggest stories in media.
Even on Tuesday. Tuesday morning, I was gonna say, this
is what this is. He's got a transition into a
(30:54):
new career. His new career is gonna be just being
what we saw leaving the field with the Jets. It's
gonna be a former professional athlete who's got a big
social media following, and everyone's gonna watch to see what
he does next. So every reality TV show is gonna
get ready to have to deal with this like that.
(31:15):
That's that's what's gonna be casting. I promise you he's
gonna end up on some reality TV show because people
are gonna be fascinated to watch him. There's gonna be
the social media following element to where they'll think that
will impact ratings. And that's how he's gonna continue to
keep driving an income because at this point, like what's
he gonna do, Like like what's he gonna do for
(31:35):
a job, and all and all seriousness, And you might say, well,
he's made enough money, he should be fine, And I
keep stressing the people. You don't understand the spending habits
of professional athletes. You know, it was a seventy percent
of them are broke within two years of of their
of their final days playing. I mean that's not like
you know, some made up stat's out there that's real
Dancing with the Stars, Like he's already one reality still
(32:00):
that ain't the ones I'm talking about. I'm talking about
the other stuff that's out there. So I'll get it.
I get it. But what I'm saying is is he
has he has been mentally strong enough to actually achieve
getting a big, big shows like Dancing with the Stars. Yeah,
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In case you missed it. Yesterday we talked about the
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disputing that the Washington football team, anyone on the field
gave any medical um support to any of those fans,
including one that spent the night in the hospital. Well,
Jalen Hurts helped him, but yeah, but the security was
nowhere to be found. I think the issue is more
of that you needed someone from the Washington football team, yes,
to provide that yes, Jalen Hurts is not a part
(35:37):
of that. I understood. Yeah, I'm aware that he does
not work. It's just actually, like the ushers and stuff,
the security are like third party too, So it would
have needed to be literally someone from Washington that did something.
They did zip tie the railing back though what you
know what a zip tie goes a long way. Let
(35:57):
me tell you something, you know what you eyes have
may become full circle. That was sewage that was just
being dumped over everyone at this stadium. You're right, they
probably had an architect that would have some sewage line
going over stadiums earlier in the year. That was sewage.
That was LaVar's dump that we just had the last
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training from those pots you know where. That wouldn't have
happened RFK, it wouldn't happen all Ye or Joe Robbie,
you know you guys. The Jaguars entered Week seventeen with
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(36:41):
thousand dollars on the Patriots covering a sixteen and a
half point favorites, and he won big two hundred thousand
dollars after the fifty to three win. Good god man, Look,
I know they're terrible, but sixteen and a half points
like that is? I mean that that's they're up forte
ten and um, one of the math doesn't work. They're
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they're imagine, imagine New England's up thirty three ten and
Jacksonville gets a garbage time touchdown like that, your whole
bets out. You're at two hundred plus thousand dollars like
that is? That's a rough way to make it, say,
I mean Urban was the problem, right, yeah, Jacksonville? Can
those guys are vacationing right with Urban right now? And
(37:21):
and did we ever hear back from that loser who
asked um who made the comment to Daryl Bevil about
you could be the interim coach and win more games
in Urban? Meyer? How's that guy doing? How's that loser doing?
Who covers the Jags? Did they have a betting line
on that Darryl Bevil winning games? Probably? Probably, I'm sure
somebody's about to get paid. I think it's the opposite.
(37:46):
I think someone's not gonna get I think some books
suckered some people into thinking that that they were actually
going to get paid, like this team was actually going somewhere.
Know what The reality is, Urban Meyer pressing his finger
were on all those coaches and players was the only
thing keeping them competitive and giving him a chance to
win football games. Now they's not there, like you see
(38:08):
their true colors, and everyone's trying to act like, oh,
this is gonna happen anyway. No, it wasn't gonna be
this bad. It was not, I promise you. Do you
think Urban meyers quietly sort of not for the players,
but maybe celebrating that you know that they're struggling there
and Sean CON's having a deal with that disaster. Do
you think Urban's kind of I hope he's laughing when
he watches that game, because I just have a hard
sign believing that it would be this bad if he
(38:30):
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They're like, oh, well, you know we're looking on two now.
Good luck, because most of you all ain't gonna be
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two big time, big time, Yeah yeah, big time up
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the space. Um, you know it's big time. It's Big
Ben yea, not really last night, although they did get
to win, I mean in his career yeah yards pre completion.
I thought we're skyrocketing last night. Um, that's that's Matt
Canada's fault, dude. They I'm telling you that everyone's like,
(01:50):
well they need to replace Big Ben at something. You
also need to replace your O C alright, Stiller's fans now.
And now you being one of the and you've leveled
in the idea of you know, knocking them out of
the playoffs, are playing well against them, and you guys
beating Pittsburgh when you watch him last night and you
see I came away from that game going all right,
(02:13):
we're good here, like he's he's never playing anywhere else. Um,
next week will would be his last game, and and
it's it's clear that this is it like that. That
was my big takeaway. I look at it and I go,
this is more like a you know, Drew Brees final
game in New Orleans. It was sort of it was
closer to Eli, I think, because see what you want
(02:36):
about Breeze at the end of their career, they were
actually going to the playoffs. You know, they were making
playoff runs. They had a team that could do it.
So and even by the way, it never looks pretty
in the end, like people tend to forget, like, yeah,
Peyton won too, But that last season he was there,
he was banged up, he was injured, he didn't he
wasn't doing a whole heck of a lot. It was
that defense, the running game, and him kind of, you know,
(02:58):
being the general that he was. But it was a
far cry in the Super Bowl he won over the Bears.
There was a lot of air let out of that ball.
I'll tell you that he had a whole lot of
floaters that last season. That but and even with Eli,
you know, it got to a point where obviously the
Giants weren't contending. They really haven't been for the past
(03:19):
five years and he was in a position where it's
like his play just wasn't that good. He had got
no point where it wasn't. I mean that's what usually happens.
Tom Brady's the outlier. Like we we compare these other
quarterbacks who are Hall of Fame players, and we compare
them to Tom, like it's gonna work out the same
way for them. But it's not, Dude, like this is
(03:42):
it's so rare. Like I loved well when Tom hit
and it was like forties is low forties. Now he's
in his mid forties. People were like, Oh, this is
gonna be every quarterback movement on the future. No, it's not.
The game is too violent. The game is still as
fast and as as you know, punishing as it's ever been,
and it's not gonna work out this way. Like what
(04:03):
what Ben did being there for eighteen years, winning two
Super Bowls. I mean, that's that's what you dream of
as a sports fan. It's really really hard to do.
But he was able to do it in one of
the best organizations who continued to build and surrounded with
talent outside of drafting maybe a couple second third round
quarterbacks that he wasn't happy about. For the most part,
(04:24):
they did everything to build to allow him to have success.
So it's a Hall of Fame career. Um, you know,
I grew up he played a Finlay High school in
Ohio and a Dublin cop and we scrimmaged Finley, we
played Finley. Um, he was older than me, so I
remember as a freshman going and seeing him and you'll
you'll never I don't know how many you guys know this,
(04:45):
but he was the receiver his entire career Finley until
a senior year because their head coaches son was the quarterback.
And obviously in retrospect, people like what were you doing?
And the funny response from his head coach it is
always like, well, the combination of my son to Ben
at wide receiver was better than the combination of Ben
(05:07):
to my son at wide receiver. So he's like, we
had to at some point like figure out how this
is gonna work and in order for us to win,
like that gave us the best chance to win at
that point based on our team, or at least that's
what he says. The week. We could touch on that
in a in a different segment. Daddy Ball is always
going to exist. But you know the interesting thing about
(05:28):
some of the things that you said, Brady is I
mean you were a number twenty two pick in the
first round. I was a number two pick in the
first round. How many playoff games did you play in? Yeah?
You know what I mean? I played in two two
playoff games, like two appearances, one as I was on
injured reserve one year and one year I played two
(05:49):
And you know what year I went to the to
the playoffs and played in it year year six, year six.
Never touched the playoffs one time my entire career, all
the way up until basically the end. So when you
talk about having the opportunity to come in and inherit
(06:11):
the type of team that Ben Roethlisberger inherited, with the
type of leadership that that was on that team, I mean,
he'll tell you about Jerome Bettis. You know, guys like
Plexico Burr's were We're getting getting a little older at
the time in their hinds ward right. Well, him and
him in Plexico, him in Plexico are really really close.
(06:34):
Like Plexico was actually in Pittsburgh yesterday for for the game. Um. Yeah,
but I mean just that amount of talent and leadership
that you have. And then we won't even touch on
the defensive side of the ball, because that's just one
of the best defenses. It's up there that ranks up
there with the best ever in the game. And you
(06:54):
had the opportunity to step into that situation and and
the type of success that he had. Again they said,
I think they said, at best, there's no one that
that represents heinz Field is as much and embodies what
heinz Field and what Pittsburgh embodies as much as Ben Roethlisberger,
(07:15):
and and the whole idea of the recency effect that
the conversations of what he looks like now versus what
he looked like when he got into the league, and
you know, he was a human battering ram is the
funny the one the one video, the viral video that
went out of him and warm ups and the one
quarterback was doing the shuffle from the bags and stuff
(07:37):
like that, and then Ben just gets hit by the
bags and he's just taking the bag and it went viral.
But that was really what Ben built his reputation on,
is extending plays, guys bouncing off of him, him being
able to deliver the ball even and the rest. And
and that was how he handled things. I mean, his
reputation um at times took it's out of you know
(08:01):
what some would say just being young and immature and
just growing and learning and being a superstar in in
in a football city. But he turned everything seemingly into
what was a win for not only his own career,
but for that city. And and there's not very many
pros that get to go out on those type of terms.
(08:23):
Well like, even even to Brady's point, it doesn't end
like this, even John Elway. Everybody points to John Elway going, man,
he wanted he went out winning a super Bowl. Yeah,
that's true. He also missed multiple games that year because
he was banged up. His body was he was finished.
The Tom Brady is rarefied air that we're never gonna
see again asked for Roethlisberger. I mean, look, I I
(08:45):
just I don't know why he would. I can understand
if he's still got the itch to want it like
last night, just told me man like it's over like,
but don't mess it up right like they're the uniqueness
of what he represents as I think that this is
the whole point of this converse station is him being
a Pittsburgher. I don't want to see him anywhere else.
I have no desire to see him anywhere. It's Tom Brady.
(09:06):
I was fascinated to see, Hey, how would this look?
I have no interest in seeing Ben Roethlisberger play anywhere.
Discourt right, there was no like controversy between Ben Roethlisberger
and Mike Tomlin. You know, you look at the situation.
It became a little interesting between Brady and Belichick and
and you felt like at some points, like, man, maybe
(09:27):
it's healthy for them to not be around each other
at this point, so, you know, And we talked about Peyton.
Peyton went to a different team. Even even Joe Montana
went to a different team. Guys go to different teams.
It's just something to be said about if you've embraced
a city, you've embodied what a city represents. The city
(09:51):
embraces you and you guys have that type of relationship.
I think it would be selfish to actually even go
to another the team and risk you're not gonna lose
what you represent it. But it does take a little
bit of the shine off of what you represent it
being that leader for that team, for all those years,
(10:11):
no doubt about it. And I think the thing about
Ben that stands out to me is, you know, just
the way he kind of grew and involved over his career.
You know, we talked about what he inherited, and you
and I are talking about playoff games like, yeah, I
was a part of two. That was it, man like
one year, fifth year into it and that's it. And
so you know, you talk about what he inherited as
a franchise and and they didn't put it all on
(10:33):
his shoulders initially. He just needed to make plays when
he had to, and he did. And there was the
second Super Bowl where it was really him, you know,
arguably the greatest play, the greatest single play throw and catch.
You will find it a Super Bowl because that was
to win it. And how he fit that ball in
there amongst it seemed like four Arizona Cardinals defenders and
(10:57):
Santonio Holmes catching it and then being able to keep
both the inbounds of that sort of body control and
possessed the football was incredible. I mean, that will never
be forgotten. And what he was able to represent in
Pittsburgh for a long period of time, This is a
this is an organization that, you know, how many as
Mike Tomlin had a losing season. No, I mean think
(11:20):
about that, Like as much as you want to say,
like that's a credit to my time, it's also a
credit to Ben Roethlisberger. That's been his quarterback throughout the
entire thing for him. So it's it's been an incredible
career considering how he's developed over that period of time
with all the change that Pittsburgh's had. I mean, we
can joke about Antonio Brown, the reality is, like, think
about how long that team dealt with that. Whatever one's
(11:41):
going on behind the scenes, there might be that might
be Hall of Fame worthy, by the way, and I
think there was there was a report out after Antonio
Brown left Pittsburgh and somebody was saying, you have no
idea how bad it was behind the scenes with him,
Like like you have, we have no clue just based
on what we've seen it all on now of course
we've seen uh that, but yeah, I just look, if
(12:04):
that's the way he's going to go out, then he
goes out getting to win over Cleveland and so he's
only lost three was gonna be this by the way
he embodies Pittsburgh, Yeah, like, there's not many quarterbacks who
get drafted the place where they go play then embody
with the way they play, their style of play, like
what that city is all about. And that's what he's been,
That's what he's done, Like that tough style of play. Uh,
(12:27):
you know, sometimes it was backyard football, especially early on,
but it was it was a lot of like him
making plays, him making you know, games that looked ugly
and finding a way to make him look pretty in
the end with a win. Like he embodied that and
that's one of those things that it's just it's so
rare to find a player that's gonna be able to
represent that for a city like Pittsburgh. It's a two
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Fox Sports Radio. Now, UM, the Antonio Brown saga and uh,
(13:53):
that was a that was a wild one. We were
all texting each other going wait did he actually leave
the field and and Brady throughout the Yeah, security thought
it was a fan and I thought you were joking.
Oh no, it turns out that was actually true. Like
security did think it was a fan that just ran
out onto the field. So the whole thing was bizarre.
But Antonio Brown and the saga surrounding it continues. Uh,
(14:16):
and um, Bruce Arians, the head coach of the Tampa
Bay Buccaneers, of course, was asked about it by the
media yesterday. Here was the back and forth. Can you
fire a player if he won't go because he's injured?
I don't know that he was, did he did he
say that he was? Or was there No, he just
refused to go in or can you tell us more
about it? Not really, I mean, what happens pretty obvious.
(14:39):
What happened. So you know, he left the field and
that was it. So so that was a Bruce Arian
just talking about the injury aspect, because there is that
side of the equation that's come out now that Antonio
Brown was injured. Of course, Ian Rapp Report reported that
yesterday morning. Uh so now we're hearing, uh that injury
would have been a cause for Antonio Brown not wanting
(14:59):
to go back into to a game, even though he
ran off the field and was at a basketball game
on Monday night. But never mind all that. Brady Quinn
a b back in the news yet again. Fun stuff.
I think the thing that you would be concerned by
if you're the team is trying to release him, which
they haven't yet, not officially, but maybe as far as
(15:20):
the press conferences go and and everything else, but they
haven't officially released them. Um, the problem is if there
is some sort of disagreement on the sidelines that has
to do with him not being healthy. He's had an
ankle injury. I believe he was practiced most Thursday and
Friday of that week of the game. You know, obviously
(15:40):
then the team's in a bit of a rough spot.
That still doesn't change what he did and taking off
his shoulder pads and arguing with guys in the sidelines
and just bouncing and the way he left the game.
So I think the Tampa Bay Bucks were trying to
wait and see if the NFL was gonna do anything,
you know, as far as suspending him for his actions.
(16:01):
It doesn't appear the NFL is gonna do a thing
about it. And so now this really falls on the
Tampa Bay box and what they want to do and
if they find him or even suspend him. Right when
you get suspended, it's suspended without pay in the NFL.
He's gonna follow grievance and all whatever was said on
the sideline is gonna come to light, and it's gonna
(16:23):
be a he said he said thing, and I would
imagine they'll either be a settlement, you know, or he
might even end up having his way where he gets
back whatever moneys were would at least be owed to
him for the remainder of the season. Now, I tend
to think that this had more to do with the
fact that in that game, at the time of his departure,
he I don't know if he was within the top
(16:44):
five targeted receivers, including tight ends. Gronk was the most
targeted at that point, and he had incentives before that
game four receptions and yards and touchdowns, all of which
accumulated to a million dollars if he was in the
final two games to hit those numbers, which he didn't.
And when you hear Tom Brady talk about it, and
just knowing the background of of Antonio Brown, I gotta
(17:07):
be asked with you, dude, he could be in some
serious stuff off the field and some serious trouble where
like he might need that money, he might need those incentives,
there might be some other things going on. I know
we've talked about, you know, being delicate with with the
mental side of things, and that's true, but there's also
an element of like he might be in trouble and
there might be another reason for him acting out or
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needing money for a certain reason. Um, you know, based
on how he likes to live his life. I mean
that's real like that, that's a real concern. You know.
I spoke my piece on it yesterday. And there have
been a lot of people being very judgmental one way
or together. Right, it's the judgment of don't don't come
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at this guy this way. He needs an intervention, or
he needs help. There's it's mental health, is it's all
those things. And you have people on the other side
of it where it would appear that he's being out
on like oh, he shouldn't have done it, and this,
that and the other. And again I hold true to
what I said yesterday. I thought it was selfish. I
thought it was was a narcissistic action. I did not
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I if I had any respect, I lost it. As
it applies to him, I could care less about people
saying that, you know, that's that's you know, you're off
on that. No, I don't think I'm off. I wouldn't
want a teammate like that. And and everybody's talking about well,
you know, if you hear it, you know hearing Brady say, well,
we need to, you know, help him as much as
we can, and this, that and the other. No, you don't, no,
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you don't. You hope that that he wants to do
whatever it is he needs to do in his personal
life too, to rid himself or help himself of how
he handles things. But make no mistake about it, that
is a pattern of behavior that that he has clear
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really gotten comfortable enough too to execute that way. Tantrum
tantrum tantrum syndrome like that, he throws temper tantrums. I have.
I have a few family members like this. They'll they'll
throw they'll throw temper tantrums, and they'll say some of
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the worst things that they could ever say to you,
and then they'll circle back around and they'll apologize. That's
how they handle things. I'm going to act out of
my emotions right now, and then I'm going to I'll
come back. If anything, I'll come back and I'll apologize
for it, like I don't really mean that whatever it
may be. When I look at this a b situation.
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If you're a doctor, you know, I don't even care
if you're a doctor, because even if you're a doctor,
if you're not examining Antonio Brown, can we please start
with CTE. Can we please stop with with saying, you know,
clinically diagnosing Antonio Brown for his mental health issues? Can
we can we stop there? You know, because because for
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what it's worth, for what it's worth, I think it's
it's bs to do it. And here's the reason why
there are fifty three I guess it's more now. It's
a few more now, but fifty plus rosters man rosters
around the league, thirty two teams. All right, I can remember.
First name that comes off to my mind is the
belcher young fellaw that that took his own life and
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played for Kansas City. I believe at the time, Okay,
mental health has ways of showing you how bad it
really is, and and and and in these scenarios there
are people that truly, truly, truly are crying out for help.
And you know what, those are the issues that that
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you pay attention to to put what Antonio Brown's behavior
was on that sideline in the realm of saying you
can't criticize him, you shouldn't be able. Those coaches don't
care about him, The team didn't care about him. They
left him out there. The way that they did is
that you're a loser, you're your in your life, You're
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probably a loser, You're probably an excuse maker for everything
that happens in your life. And you need to take
a good look at yourself because for all these other
players that are having to deal with whatever their everyday situations,
or I can guarantee you if Aby is in the
situation you think he may be in Brady in terms
of he needs that money, I can guarantee you there
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is a very large percentage of guys that are playing
in the league that needs the money that they're gonna
get and probably don't even have enough. And people may say,
well how is that, Well, because they probably spent it.
They probably spent their money. There are a lot of
people are dealing with mental issues. In terms of baby mama's,
baby mamas are undefeated, I haven't seen I haven't seen
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one lose yet. All right. When you look at when
you look at injuries, injuries are undefeat it. I haven't
seen somebody beat it yet. So when you're talking about
all of the things that you know guys needs support for,
do you know how many guys out there needs support.
And so for all you people that are pinpointing Antonio
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Brown to say he needs help, he needs assistance, it's
mental health, it's CTE, it's it's this, it's that, and
it's the other. Name me, somebody else who needs it.
Name me, somebody else, Give me a name right off
the top of your head. You're sitting somewhere in your car,
you're sitting somewhere listening to that. You'll say, you'll hear
this name somebody else right now in the National Football
League that you believe needs the same assistance. And I
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can guarantee you you probably can't come up with a name,
because it only matters to you when it matters to you.
And that's the bottom line. And in this moment to
try to justify what his actions were, it's not I
do not I do not subscribe to it. I don't
buy it, and and and I don't. I don't feel
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any type of way about having that opinion towards it.
It's not piling on. Think about all the other teammates
on the sideline and what they may be dealing with
and what what's going on in their personal life. But
they choose to have enough control and restraint and how
they handle things in their lives that you, as the public,
(23:21):
don't become a part of it. When somebody makes their
business public business and you become a part of it,
public opinion is always going to be attached and associated
to what's taking place. So in this situation here, maybe
he does need mental help, maybe he does need an intervention.
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But to say that he is void or he is
not copable for what he did wrong, To say that
that you can't criticize him for what his actions were
on the sideline wrong for you to say that Bruce
Arians in some way is copable for this wrong. I
could keep going down the list of things that you're
wrong about as it applies to this scenario. You had
(24:05):
a job to do. Do your job. You don't know
enough about talking about mental health to sit there and
say that this is exactly what it is or c
t E. And they should have been been uh more
supportive of him and handled it differently. Wrong, wrong, wrong,
and wrong. Nobody knows whether or not he's got c
(24:27):
t E. Uh, nobody knows whether or not he's got
serious mental issues. Here's all I know. Uh, he quit
on the Steelers during the season. Uh, he had another
meltdown no pun intended with the cryotherapy chamber with the
Raiders and then quit on them. Uh. Then he gets
to New England and he butchered that with off the
field stuff. And then he got to Tampa Bay and
(24:47):
he quit on them in the middle of the game
and threw his equipment into the crowd. And for a
guy who needs all this mental help, I mean, he
sure figured out a way to to link up his
rap song right after the game was over and get
on social media and and hang out. I just at
at some point, like you can you can have the
discussion about mental health or you can have the real
discussion in which we know the facts and the facts
(25:08):
are the guys quit on his team multiple times and
showing you it's him over team every single time and
every single step of the way. Sorry, in New England
for like thirty days, wasn't even that. I don't even
know if it was that because all that stuff came out.
Well no, no, no, no, I get that. But I'm
just I'm just saying, like I would think that we'd
use Bill Belichick as the standard that like that was
(25:30):
his shortest stint. Maybe people should have kind of keyed
in on that, and obviously he kept things under reps
for a year at least in Tampa before things got
out of control. But the reality is, I mean, what,
there's smoke, there's fire, I mean there's not. It doesn't
smoke anymore. This is like billowing flames, all right. This
is like a burning building. And I'm again I'm not
(25:51):
gonna try to diagnose or figure out what's going on,
all right, But the reality is is Tampa should have
known what they were getting themselves into. I think they did,
probably with all the stuff that at least was going
on behind the scenes during this season, because whether it's
the ankle injury or whatever, because here's here's the hard
(26:12):
part about the ankle injury. Can you can you use
the ankle injury and say that's legitimate? I mean, first
it was the cry, frozen feet, the helmet, Like there's
so many things throughout the course of time that we've
heard from him, and I don't know what you can
believe in any of it. Like when it came down
to it with the Raiders, it just seemed like you
(26:33):
don't want to be there. It wasn't about an injury
or his feet or a helmet, he's do they want
to be there? I mean, it literally has gotten to
a point where I don't know that you can trust
whatever is said about him from an ankle injury to
anyone anything else, because there's always more to the story.
This is a burning building. This isn't where there's smoke,
there's flames. This thing is already on fire. It's just
(26:55):
a matter of when this thing is gonna burn down.
And I think we're to that point. Will you seen
the video a lot? Yeah, we've seen it. If you
have an injured ankle, I mean, last I checked, when
when I've injured my ankle to the point of where
they can't tape it up and I can't go back
into the game, I'm limping. Like, let's be clear here.
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He wasn't taping at all, not taped and not limping.
Was jogging to a two in his mind and in
Antonio Brown world, to the chairs and the love of
who Antonio Brown is as he left, As he was
leaving stage, he was jogging off of the field waving goodbye.
(27:41):
So so again, let's be clear here. If it's an
injury situation and your ankle is so sore that you
can't you know, isn't isn't it? Terrell Owens. It's funny
because he came up as a comparison to who's the
bigger diva? Didn't terrell O one was playing the game
with a bro can ankle and was awesome, if your
(28:03):
ankle is so sore, and I don't gauge anybody's paying thresholds,
all right, I'm not doing that, but I'm saying, if
your ankle is so sore that you can't go back
into the game, and that's the reasoning that you're using,
do you really jog off the field? Do you trot
off of the field? Do you really trot off of
the field? Like, just take that simple piece of information
(28:26):
because I know me, if if my ankle was so
sore that I can't go back into a game due
to injury, that's injury. That's not you're hurting, that's not
you're in pain. That's an injury. If you can't go
back on the field, then how are you jogging your
ass off of it? And also, if he was injured,
(28:47):
wouldn't a trainer have been over there talking with him
at some point on the sidelines, like, hey man, you
can't go in the game. What's going on? How can
I help? Instead it was Mike Evans trying to get
him to stop taking off his shoulder pads, Tom Brady
to try and get him engaged again. O. J. Howard,
so on and so forth. It just he's full of crap.
I mean, let's just call what it is. He's full
of crap. People can can get hung up on on
(29:09):
the mental side of it and have that discussion. All
they want. All we know is the guy bailed on
his team mid game. I mean, just and by the way,
is he is he still roommates with Tom Brady? I mean,
how's that going? You think? Are they still? Are they
still roomed together? Know who's staying in tom Brady's house?
Is he gonna is the rent checking a arriv Is
he gonna burn him like he did those cooks? Pad's
(29:29):
probably so big. I don't I don't know that he
knows whether Antonio Brown is there. That's a good point
in New York. Look, this is a this is all
sub diffuse bye bye, by god daing uh by Antonio Brown.
He wants he whatever it is he chose, and in
that moment, why we had to dump button the guy's dart.
(29:51):
You have to dump button for first first up of
the say, I don't say to take. Maybe maybe a
B is the name, and maybe we need to dump
every time we say a B. You know the but
to to think about. The last two tweets on his
(30:11):
timeline are promoting his new song. The last two tweets
are promoting his song. So he's trying, you know, and
somebody said it, they said it best, and I think
this is this is what it is. Right. He did something,
knowing something to get the results that he wanted. He
(30:34):
has not only the entire sports world talking about him,
he has the entire media world talking about him. He
is the biggest story, one of the biggest stories in media.
Even on Tuesday. Tuesday morning, I was gonna say, this
is what this is. He's got a transition into a
(30:54):
new career. His new career is gonna be just being
what we saw leaving the field with the Jets. It's
gonna be a former professional athlete who's got a big
social media following, and everyone's gonna watch to see what
he does next. So every reality TV show is gonna
get ready to have to deal with this like that.
(31:15):
That's that's what's gonna be casting. I promise you he's
gonna end up on some reality TV show because people
are gonna be fascinated to watch him. There's gonna be
the social media following element to where they'll think that
will impact ratings. And that's how he's gonna continue to
keep driving an income because at this point, like what's
he gonna do, Like like what's he gonna do for
(31:35):
a job, and all and all seriousness, And you might say, well,
he's made enough money, he should be fine, And I
keep stressing the people. You don't understand the spending habits
of professional athletes. You know, it was a seventy percent
of them are broke within two years of of their
of their final days playing. I mean that's not like
you know, some made up stat's out there that's real
Dancing with the Stars, Like he's already one reality still
(32:00):
that ain't the ones I'm talking about. I'm talking about
the other stuff that's out there. So I'll get it.
I get it. But what I'm saying is is he
has he has been mentally strong enough to actually achieve
getting a big, big shows like Dancing with the Stars. Yeah,
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In case you missed it. Yesterday we talked about the
failed railings at FedEx Field where fans fell onto the
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disputing that the Washington football team, anyone on the field
gave any medical um support to any of those fans,
including one that spent the night in the hospital. Well,
Jalen Hurts helped him, but yeah, but the security was
nowhere to be found. I think the issue is more
of that you needed someone from the Washington football team, yes,
to provide that yes, Jalen Hurts is not a part
(35:37):
of that. I understood. Yeah, I'm aware that he does
not work. It's just actually, like the ushers and stuff,
the security are like third party too, So it would
have needed to be literally someone from Washington that did something.
They did zip tie the railing back though what you
know what a zip tie goes a long way. Let
(35:57):
me tell you something, you know what you eyes have
may become full circle. That was sewage that was just
being dumped over everyone at this stadium. You're right, they
probably had an architect that would have some sewage line
going over stadiums earlier in the year. That was sewage.
That was LaVar's dump that we just had the last
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training from those pots you know where. That wouldn't have
happened RFK, it wouldn't happen all Ye or Joe Robbie,
you know you guys. The Jaguars entered Week seventeen with
the league worst four and eleven record against the spread,
so One Better decided to wager two hundred and twenty
(36:41):
thousand dollars on the Patriots covering a sixteen and a
half point favorites, and he won big two hundred thousand
dollars after the fifty to three win. Good god man, Look,
I know they're terrible, but sixteen and a half points
like that is? I mean that that's they're up forte
ten and um, one of the math doesn't work. They're
(37:01):
they're imagine, imagine New England's up thirty three ten and
Jacksonville gets a garbage time touchdown like that, your whole
bets out. You're at two hundred plus thousand dollars like
that is? That's a rough way to make it, say,
I mean Urban was the problem, right, yeah, Jacksonville? Can
those guys are vacationing right with Urban right now? And
(37:21):
and did we ever hear back from that loser who
asked um who made the comment to Daryl Bevil about
you could be the interim coach and win more games
in Urban? Meyer? How's that guy doing? How's that loser doing?
Who covers the Jags? Did they have a betting line
on that Darryl Bevil winning games? Probably? Probably, I'm sure
somebody's about to get paid. I think it's the opposite.
(37:46):
I think someone's not gonna get I think some books
suckered some people into thinking that that they were actually
going to get paid, like this team was actually going somewhere.
Know what The reality is, Urban Meyer pressing his finger
were on all those coaches and players was the only
thing keeping them competitive and giving him a chance to
win football games. Now they's not there, like you see
(38:08):
their true colors, and everyone's trying to act like, oh,
this is gonna happen anyway. No, it wasn't gonna be
this bad. It was not, I promise you. Do you
think Urban meyers quietly sort of not for the players,
but maybe celebrating that you know that they're struggling there
and Sean CON's having a deal with that disaster. Do
you think Urban's kind of I hope he's laughing when
he watches that game, because I just have a hard
sign believing that it would be this bad if he
(38:30):
was there. I think now people feel relaxed, they feel comfortable.
They're like, oh, well, you know we're looking on two now.
Good luck, because most of you all ain't gonna be
there anymore. I didn't know opting out was existing in
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