January 10, 2022 • 37 mins
Jonas Knox, Brady Quinn and LaVar Arrington wonder what is next for Carson Wentz after the Colts collapse against the Jags and missing out on the playoffs. Joe Judge hangs on by a thread in New York and the guys lick their wounds on the FSR IR.
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What the hell was that from the Indianapolis Colts yesterday? Who?
All they needed to do was beat who? As a
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fourteen point favorite on the road. Who the Jaguars? Yeah,
all they needed to do is go in and beat Jacksonville.
Who's uh the worst organization and worst team in the
NFL for a for a second straight year in Indianapolis
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not only loses, but they got dominated and man handled
by Jacksonville. And the way everything else turned out around
the NFL, Brady Quinn, the Inanapolis culture going home and
the let's bring back Carson Wentz it was just Philadelphia.
He needed a change of scenery to get back to
where he was with Frank Reich. Here we go, Indies
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at home watching the playoffs. The way they finished this
season is an all timer. I mean, honestly losing with
their last two games just falling apart, and the way
they did it. I mean, I'm not I don't want
to make too much of just one game, but give
the Jacksonville Jaguars players a lot of credit. Those guys
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could have packed up, got prepared to go to the
Caribbeans somewhere, the Bahamas and I don't know, maybe uh,
Puerto Rico somewhere, Yeah, like Cossa, the combo Um. The
reality is like they came out, they stopped Jonathan Taylor.
They put this game on Carson went shoulders and he
couldn't deliver. Trevor Lawrence had his best game in the season.
I just it's crazy to me to look at that
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game and if you took away the records, you would
have thought that Jacksonville Jaguars were the team that was
playing to go to the playoffs, like like that's that's
what they looked like. It didn't look like the Colts
even wanted to be there. It was a bit shocking.
And the only other thing is did Dwayne Smoot have
an incentive that he hit two because there was one
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particular time he got I don't know if it was.
I think I had up in a sack, but he
got up, Like just look at the sideline, Sam Paybe.
So I know there was a bunch of incentives out
there for guys, and he kind of kept doing it.
I'm thinking to myself, either his contracts up or he's
got an incentive. But either way, good for him, man,
good good, good for good for the Jacksonville Jaguars a
fitter on a finish on a better note than how
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their season went this year. They did not get more
wins than urban Meyer. Keep that in mind, pay Up
on that that that was not that's how the media. Yeah, yeah,
that wasn't That wasn't it. Uh. But with that being said,
you did end on a high note. There weren't very
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many high notes for Jacksonville this season. To take a
team that appeared to be trending in the right direction,
you got a possible uh m VP candidate award winner
and and really a team that is built to be
able to make a real run, you knock them off.
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I mean not if if I'm and I have been
on plenty of losing teams. To have an opportunity to
do that in your final Game of the Year. What
it does is it shows you what the capabilities and
the potential levels are of a team when they have
something to play for, to to the level or to
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the extent of what would be the equivalent of their
Super Bowl. And and so to really think about it
and that in those terms and in that manner, I mean,
you gotta look at Jacksonville and say, huh, well, where
was this team all year? You know, where where was
the Where were these guys? Because you guys were able
to put it together for one game, one last game,
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and and and we all know that going into the playoffs,
it's always a one and done scenario. This isn't like
any other sport where you get to come back and
try to do it again, like basketball or hockey or baseball.
It's one and done. You win, you move on, you lose,
you go home. That was what they had in this scenario.
And they showed up. I mean Trevor Lawrence, he showed up,
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the team, the defense, they showed up, and and they
made Carson Wentz they led him into mistakes. So to me,
it exposes something that's missing for for the Colts for certain,
But it also makes you wonder Is there a good
team on the inside of this Jaguars, of this Jaguars organization?
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Is there a team there? This made me wonder that
because I didn't understand how they were able to win
that game. I mean, they've dominated and Brady pointed this
out last week, but they've been really good against Indianapolis
in Jacksonville. For whatever reason, Indianapolis has struggled there. But
good god, man, with with everything on the line, you're
a four team point favorite and you roll out that
and and as we said, the game wasn't close, Like
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there was no point you're watching that game going uh no,
Indian's got them right where they want to know. It
was over, Like Jacksonville completely took over, completely took control
of the game. Carson Wentz afterwards after just a brutal
performance to finish up the season, he talked about it
and also discussed his play and then then missing the postseason.
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I gotta protect the ball. I gotta do better job, um.
And so there's there's a lot that could be said
and a lot of things to kind of digest right now.
But yeah, it's it's a frustrating, kind of crappy feeling
right now. We were in control, being in control of
our destiny. Um, last two weeks and we just couldn't
get it done. And it's definitely got it left a
bad taste in my mouth, a lot of guy's mouth. Um,
not where we want to be. Not you know what
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we expected either. You know, we expected to finish stronger
than we did. Okay, at this point in his career,
what is Carson Wentz? I mean like, like, what what
do we sounds like an excuse maker, because I meant,
at this point, right if you're sitting there and you
you're having to have that conversation at this at this
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juncture of your career, you're not You're not you're not
achieving at a high enough level where you're talking about
what you need to do as it applies to the
next week, in the next game, going into the playoffs.
You're talking about your giving reasoning as to why you're
in the situation that you're in right now and how
we could be better moving forward, Which is fine because
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I mean, obviously, as a competitor, you have to take
in the lessons of what happens when you come up short.
I don't want to judge that, and I don't want
to come across, there's like I'm piling on him or
I'm hating on him. But let's be clear here. When
they made the Super Bowl run, which was arguably his
best season as a pro um, they finished it off
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with a different guy. And and regardless of what anybody
wants to say, you know, that troupe or that that
statue out in front of the link says it all.
It's a folds not of Carson Wentz. And and so
to me, really and and and I guess to sum
it up, he's you know, he has to make excuses
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for not living up to the potential of what it
is that people have expected him to be or think
he is or what they want him to be, because
he has not been that. Whether he is or not,
he has not been that. What he is right now
is he's blind to what he is. He's not a
guy anymore. He's gonna have to earn his way back
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into being a guy that a team would trade for
being a guy that I think people look at as
a starting quarterback, a franchise quarterback like that. That's unfortunately
what this season became for him. It was I don't
say a maker break year, but on a on a
team that you know had Philip Rivers the year before,
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and I think the longer Philip was there, the better
he got us as far as a sense of fuel
for the chemistry and all that. At no point in
this season did I feel like the Colts were better
off with Carson Wentz. Yeah, I mean, And that's and
that's the sad thing about it is you know, you
had a guy at the end of his career, potentially
a future Hall of Famer and Philip Rivers, and you're thinking,
Carson Wentz wants to get to that point. He had
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that opportunity. He had a great run game, he had
a great defense. He really didn't have to do it Ton,
But unfortunately it's just I mean, and by the way,
look at the team he left. If that gives you
any indication of where this whole thing is at for him,
then he needs to realize he's blind to the fact
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that he is no longer gonna be looked at as
a guy that is coming in as as your number one.
You're either gonna draft a guy to compete with him
and take over, or you're gonna bring someone else in
who you feel like it's an upgrade and and that's
where he's at right now, whether he wants to acknowledge that,
to realize that or not, and trust me from from
being a quarterback in the league and being drafted in
the first round, how all that goes, it's a harsh
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reality to face because now he's the only person the
rest of his career that can believe he can be
that guy, because there's there's not gonna be anyone else
out there advocating for him. There's just not. I mean,
Frank Reich was the last guy. He was with him
in Philly, he brought him to Indy. I mean that
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was that's the last guy. But with what we saw
from the season, he's probably now the only one that
can truly truly believe that he could still be that guy.
And that's for him. I thought that. I thought this
at the time that his career started to unravel the
second Nick Foles won that Super Bowl, because I think
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he realized they did that without me. We can we
can try and say, well, you know, it was an
m v P type season. Look, he missed time at
the end of the regular season. Then they go to
the postseason and they do something they've never done in
the history of the franchise, and I think he realized
in that moment, not only can they do it without me,
but the next season when he went out and Nick
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Foles went in, they made another run of the postseason
without him. When he finally appeared in a playoff game,
he got knocked out with the concussion. And this there
was this sentiment that, well, it must be Philadelphia. It's
toxic there, it's a disaster, it's Doug Peterson, it's this,
it's that, Okay, And so now Indianapolis, and I don't
know what's worse the fact that they're missing the playoffs
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now after they make the move to bring in Carson Wentz,
or the fact that they also don't even have a
first round pick next year. So it's almost like they're
committed to whatever he is, Brady, whatever Carson Wentz is
moving forward, uh, or whether he's dealing with stuff mentally,
whether he's doing whatever it is. Indianapolis is so pot
committed now because of what they gave up, that they
just got a roll of this and hope that it
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doesn't blow through their championship window. Trying to make a
guy get right again after after what his career was
and turned into now with all the injuries and everything
else that came along with it, they're in a tough spot.
I just I don't think that they're gonna be hanging
their hat on that moving forward, I don't. I think
they're gonna have to start thinking about the future. And
and he's basically found himself in the same position that
he was in in Philly where you brought in a
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guy in Jalen Hurts for a reason because and you
and I think Philly at the time talked about, well, hey,
you know, Carson Wentz gets hurt, we're gonna have to
backup a capable backup. We want to see that played
out as you just laid out for us with Nick
full And that was the conversation then. But now after
watching Hurts and we've kind of talked about he just
gets better and better and better the more he plays.
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And then you're watching Carson Wentz, it seems like the
more he plays, the more you doubt or the more
and maybe eliminates the thoughts of what you thought he
could be as a franchise guy. So, like I said,
it's an unfortunate part or spots of being in his career.
But the truth of the matter is they the Indianapolis
or and the rest of the league is gonna start saying,
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all right, we start looking to the draft. We can
start looking to other guys who may have more potential
upside as opposed to you know what Carson Wentz is Like,
he's getting to the point where I think people looking
him and saying, we know what he is and we
know what he's not. And that's the hard part is
when you when you get to a point in your
career where the NFL is determined what's your upside is
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and what your downside is and who you are, it's
hard to shake that. Like there's only so many rich
Gannons out there that come in later than their career,
what thirty they can win an m v P. Because
first impressions can be so damning in football or in life.
And that's the hardest perception overcome is once you make
that first impression, Oh, well, he wasn't the guy who
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winn a Super Bowl. Oh he's the guy who gets
hurt all the time. Once you make that first impression,
it's really hard to overcome that. It's two pros and
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and issues to report from around the world of sports
and beyond. For all of us here, so we'll have
that conversation with you here on Fox Sports Radio. Um
so um. New York Giants, Man, they're bad. You want
to talk about? That is a bad football team? And
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uh the Giants who uh you know, lose yesterday to
the Washington football team. Uh and at home there were
reports of tickets for as cheap as six dollars and
still plenty of seats available to an NFL game to
kick off your two which for a look for six bucks,
why wouldn't you just go? I know they're a bad team,
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but if you can get into an NFL game for
six dollars, why not? I mean, why are you getting there?
You got parking, you've got concessions. Whether are you not
understanding what I'm saying to you? Yes, I'm under just
because the ticket is six dollars, Parking could be twenty
at least if not forty, Or you're taking an uber rye,
which is ridiculously expensive in that area. Then you've got
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concessions that's at least under the twenty. What do they
even charge for a sixteen ounce draft beer? I mean
at MetLife? I mean, well, let's get on it, and
we've got it. We've got our crack staff here, can
we get the the information on what they charge for
a draft beer at MetLife Stadium? So we have somebody
who's actually on their way to MetLife right now to
go look at the menu and then get back to
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in the So so the point is it's it's not
just six dollars like that's how they entice just to
show up. It's everything else that encompasses that. And also,
why would you want to sit outside in cold weather
and watched what is it? Dumpster? Dumpster far of a
team that seems to want to go into this this
next season with a lame duck head coach. I mean,
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let's go live to our I have an update on
the MetLife cost of a beer insider lead to laugh
for the latest lead. Now, I don't believe this when
I'm what I'm reading, But they say it's only five
dollars for a beer. On my ass, it had been
five bucks and the forties my ass, How is that article?
You can get it done? Yeah? When when was that?
I'm okay, I'm seeing another one where it's nine to
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twelve dollars, eleven dollars for domestic Okay, it makes more
sense there, you know, it's cheaper and Dodger Stadium Bears.
You've gone from one Bear to two bears. How dare
you um difference between a Jets game and the Giants game? Now,
Joe Judge and the and the Wow, you're gonna take shots?
Like that? They share, they share a place you're gonna
take shot? What's next at Chargers Rams Hate and we
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will get to it. Is there a price between the
two teams? That's kind of interesting? Could you imagine that? Like,
I mean, obviously, as bad as the Giants are, the
Jets are probably a worse product, right, I mean, I
don't know, man, the Jets do seem like they play
hard at times. They've got questions at at quarterback and
all that, But I feel at least more confident in
the Jets moving forward. And maybe it's just the head coach. Um.
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I just the questionable call that is getting a lot
of conversation is, Uh, the Giants are in the second quarter,
they have a third nine from their own four, and
they line up and do a quarterback sneak. Um. Now,
Jake from has struggled, uh, you know, early in his career,
but third and nine you're at your own four yard
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line of the second quarter of week eighteen, and they
ran a QB sneak, which is just, you know, brilliant.
I'll be honest. I had a buddy reach out and
they're like, am I missing something? They go, it was
the clock wrong, was down a distance wrong? Am I
missing something? And I'm watching it going no, they're just
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trying to give their punter more room, a little more
them because they're that scared. Because I mean, you could
run a draw, you could run any running play, you
don't have the quarterback sneak. Like that's not only just
an indictment on Jake from by the way, that's an
indictment on your offensive line. That's an indictment on your
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entire offense that you don't believe that some of any
of those eleven parts can be better running just a
traditional offensive play than a quarterback sneak. It would It
would be one thing, by the way, because where they at,
like the five or six four there you go. If
you one thing, if you're on your own one like,
I'm okay, you're backed up. There's there's some negative consequences,
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right if if anything happens negative here, But you're on
your own four like it just the whole thing was bizarre.
And but again it's it's like much like with Big
Fangio and that instance. Watching it, I'm thinking, how can
ownership honestly move forward with Joe Judges the head coach?
And look, I know it sounds like I'm calling out
some guy's job, but the truth is, it's not even
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about that anymore. It's just about what are you selling
at this point. If you're in New York, if you're
the New York Giants and trying to get your fan
base excited, like two top seven picks, well, great, who's
even making those picks? Is that David Gentleman? Is Joe
Judge still there? Is that? Just a wasted year with
Joe Judge? The whole thing is bizarre. Uh, it's the
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last game of the season. I mean, I think that
that's what it ultimately comes down to. If if you
run a play like that in that game, and I'm
one of the mayor's or the tissue decision makers for
this organization, I need I need real explanation on that
because that has a tremendous bearing on how I look
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at you moving forward. For the simple fact that you
basically told us and your team moving forward when when
all seems lost, I'm going to confirm if for you
it is it is lost. There is no hope to run.
That play says we have no hope, I have no belief.
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And how do you recover from that being the decision
that you're making. Can you imagine what was running through
their minds when they heard that play call and they
went up to the ball. Can you imagine what the
defense was thinking while they're sitting there on the sideline
and they're looking at this play. It's the last day
of the season. What do you have to play for
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your pride, your your your paycheck, your your dignity, like
your self respect. And it was not self respect. It
was like a bunch formation. There was They weren't even
trying to fool anybody. It was like, no, no no, no,
this is the plan, Like we're we're absolutely doing a
quarterback scene like there was no and and if you're
if you're the Washington football team and you're on defense,
are you just looking at them like are you serious?
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Like that? If I'm on Washington side of the ball,
I'm saying we're going to get a win today. We're
gonna We're gonna finish. Ok, We're gonna finish our season
would have win. And and by the way, did I
didn't see the end of the game the end end?
Did they boom? Did he get the booze that he
was saying I'm deserving of? Because it was it was performing.
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If they're serving five dollar beers, people were time traveling
by the time the fourth quarter rolled around. I mean,
I mean you would assume that maybe you make them
fat dollar beers so you can get people to want
to come in. People had to have snuck booze in, right,
I mean a flask of something. Are you all about sneaking. No,
I'm just saying, like, I mean, it just feels like
that would be that would be the most No, I'm
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not a big flask guy. I'm not carefully you say
that fast. Now speaking of Joe Judge, because look, all
we've heard is that Joe Judge is probably safe. The
giants really like him. The mars are high. And remember
we talked about that, the Marrows are high on Joe Judge.
They think he's uh here, they remind him, uh, they
remind him of the Bill Belichick. Bill Parcel's time there
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with the Giants. Jay Glazer sent this out um last
night quote, I believe Giants brass is torn on what
to do with Joe Judge because of the revolving door
of coaches they've had in recent years. They have hesitation
to move on because that they'd add to that revolving door.
At the same time, I've heard a ton of frustration
inside the locker room, not a little a lot, So
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I just I don't know how you move forward. It
just feels like this team gave you everything that they
were and told you everything that they that that they
are as a football team the last couple of weeks,
and then yesterday to see a play out like it
did in front of you know, a bunch of people
dressed as empty seats at your final player at your
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final home game, I don't know, man, I it feels
like this is the time to move and it wouldn't
now be the perfect if you've got this mini picks
near the top of the draft in the first round,
wouldn't now be just doesn't I mean, let me just
put it out there. I know the organization and know
what they what direction they're trying to go go in.
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I know what it is that how they feel about
how they want their team to be ran. I mean,
the last time they had a great amount of success,
it was with a guy that may not have have
been as outwardly I guess verbal with the way that
that judges and how he speaks of his toughness and
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and and that strong mentality and approach. But obviously coach
Coughlin was a military background, military style coach, and that's
what type of environment they like there. But as as
things evolve and continue to move forward, you have to
get somebody who can relate to these players. I mean,
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that's just the bottom line is you're not going to
have success with a guy that that has such a
rigid approach to how things have to be and the
way they will be with this with today's athlete, it
doesn't resonate the same way. To me, judges out of
he's out of his element with these guys. These guys
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are out of their element with him as their leader.
You can't have somebody leading you that that guys aren't
willing to follow. And I think that if they're looking
at it from a critical perspective, you gotta find somebody
out there that's relatable to these guys that could put
together a really really strong coaching staff or bring some
guys in that or keep the guys that that are
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already there some of those guys that can relate like
the coach Spencer's uh that coaches d Line and couple
other guys that are there, and you gotta kind of
mesh it together in a way where you can reach
these guys because there's a total disconnect between the coach
and and the players at this point. I Uh, it's
hard to if you're a player on that roster right now,
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if someone asked you, how do you feel about Joe Judge,
you know, because because sick want Berkeley kind of came
out and it was defending him in some way, But
what do you expect him to do? I mean, in
all honesty, like you can't, especially a guy who's a
good guy like say Kwan. You know, you don't want
to come out and bash a head coach ever. I mean,
it's just it's it's not something he's gonna do. It's
seldom you find a player who's going to do that
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because it once you once you open up that box,
whether it's the next guy who comes in or any
employer you play for after that, that's always gonna be
in the history as part of that baggage. When you
come to that team, they're gonna be looking at him going, yeah,
he's opened his mouth and spouted off about a coach before.
We sure you want this guy. So that's the hard
part is no one's gonna speak up now. It'll be
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after they make a decision to move on. I just
think you're wasting a year going in the same direction.
I don't know, you know what you hope to gain
in this offseason, because here's what you're up against. Yeah,
you've got two picks in the top seven. That's great,
and it will help improve the roster. They'll probably go
in the trenches, you know, O line, D line, something
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like that with those two picks, because I think to
some degree they believe even the investment they made in
Daniel Jones and want to be patient. But the truth
of the matter is if they start over, they just
need to break the whole thing down. Move on from
Daniel Jones, move off from the head coach, move on
from Daviel Gettleman, and start over again, clean with everyone
you know, moving forward in the same direction. Because if
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you get rid of Ghettleman, you keep Judge, maybe you've
got some GM candidates are hesitant because they don't want
to take a job where they're in there with a
head coach that they don't either they want to work
with or be put on their resume for a year,
you know, being with the lame duck coach. Or maybe
they don't believe that Daniel Jones is the guy, and
then maybe Joe Judge does, and then you've got that
battle internally. It just if you look at the most
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successful models in the NFL with sustained success, it's always
about having a head coach and general manager on the
same page and sinking those hires up. When they're not
sink together, it seems like, you know, more than likely
it's not gonna work out, especially of late in the NFL.
All you guys want to play a fun little game
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(28:24):
if you recall that was the boat trip for Odell
Beckham Junior. So total wins for the Giants franchises, that
was twenty sixteen, the last time they were in the
postseason regular season six regular season sixteen early alright, so,
so how many in the last five years? How many
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total wins for the Giants in the last five years?
LaVar Arrington, step right up? Total wins for the Giants,
right nineteen? Wow? You think? Okay? Alright? Uh now, Brady Quinn,
Brady Quinn, how many total wins for the New York
Giants since their last a right? Nine? And the winner
(29:06):
is LaVar Arrington. You have won twenty two wins for
the New York Giants in the last five years. Ladies
and gentlemen, that is an awful football team. Twenty two
and fifty nine over the last five years. I think
(29:29):
the worst of that time. It's gotta be maybe Jacksonville,
But Jacksonville had that deep playoff run during that time,
so maybe that would. Yeah, the Giants might be the
worst yet of losing They're so bad think about this,
think about New York in general right now? Are and
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along with the giants? I mean, I wonder plane in Jersey,
get him out. At least you got the bills. Well,
there's that. I could say it more. I'm gonna yeah,
you know, I'm gonna pile on here. Yeah. At least Tyrie,
you're able to play. That's that's good on the road,
on the road. That is very very good point. Again. Yeah,
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they can't be entertained by anything. I can't wait to
get on if you're eating dinner next to everyone's mass.
At least ly Will and Nails at least had great leadership.
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is this Master of Puppets? No sorry? Come on man
to all my ladies in the blaze? Which style of
grace would let me do? Your people? Who can like
(31:44):
kill a vibe? He can vibe killer better believe it, man,
that's what I do. He walks in all those people
like post hey positive vibes. Jonas will wipe that out
in a hearpie is face? What is this like the
Brothers or something? What is how do I sound like that?
(32:08):
There's only one type of come on please? What exactly
is this music that you're listening to? Is that that Brothers?
Sprinkle some crack on the chomping. Alright, we're going to
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So it's time to get the that's are report, all right,
(33:15):
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to go first? Who's got something? I prematurely announced that
UM got an award in the distinction of a lifetime
and well, I'm on the I r for it, that's all. Well,
you know, but you get reprimanded for it, like I
didn't get Nothing happened, Nothing happened. I just felt really
(33:37):
bad after I went back. You know, I blanked out
when I when I got the package, and maybe in
my mind you think that you get the information differently. Well,
like David Baker's gonna show up at the door something,
you know, you retired. I think David Baker retired and
this was his last year doing that. Knocking on the
(33:59):
door just created something. You just create a different thought
to it, you know. And I just didn't think it'd
be like a box at the front door, but it was.
And I and and listen, I just didn't look look
it all the way over the way that I should
have in that little fine print, that's it. If you
could please please hold off until we announced. I just
(34:22):
didn't see that part. Yeah, yeah, so that that's my
I R that's there far putting in small print, right. Yeah,
it wasn't really what are they going to do? Like
take it away? Now? It wasn't really. It was right there,
but I said, I just said, yeah, I did. I did.
It is what it is. I mean, I got a
lot of good pop from it. You know, Um, I
(34:45):
I screwed up this weekend. This is a I don't
know why I did this. I've never done this before.
I have no idea why I did this. I went
to go you know, I had the show on Saturday morning,
hard for up on games. Uh and uh and I
had the show, thank you for saying yep. And I
had the show this Saturday morning, and Uh, I wanted
(35:08):
to go see uh, you know, go go to a
place that you guys have been to. We don't need
to get into where that place is to go see
you go see the family. We'll put it that way.
And I smelled something as I parked, and um, I
was like, oh, that's that's a little weird. And I
realized I had driven thankfully side streets, not on the
(35:28):
freeway with my parking break on I I have no
no clue and how I didn't notice anything was was
was happening. What type of a break is that? It's
a yeah, it's it's a break that it was. It
(35:48):
was smoking, It smelled for quite some time. We're so
good now. But yeah, I have no idea why I
did that. Just completely slip my mind. You were focused, Oh,
I mean I don't know already focus driven. Man. I
don't have one of these fancy up today cars. My
car is fifteen years old. Yeah, you just like kind
(36:11):
of you know, you don't get these indicators are like, hey, dude,
the parking brakes on you know what I mean, pact man,
you just like you get these uh get these situations
like that man didn't know that he's already had. Yeah. Yeah,
we were at the scene in Colors where uh Sean
Penn finds out Sean Penn finds out simply a rental sir, Yeah,
(36:42):
I can merely want pac man man found that what
Dould savors you don't want to be saved really meant? Yeah, bratty,
you gotta think you want to report? Or was it
another smooth sailing weekend at the Queen Household that was
pretty relaxing. Not much. I mean, I didn't have any
issues as a either of three, though on my middle
child seems to be constantly like last week. At one
(37:04):
point she slipped when she was getting out of the shower.
She's probably too young to get out of the shower,
chipped her front tooth, bruised up her chin. Felt awful
for her. And then she's playing at the park and
she's running and she falls down again and messes up
her bottom teeth. Period. So I was fine. Our middle child, though,
(37:26):
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stop following and hurting herself right now. Damn it's sad man,
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What the hell was that from the Indianapolis Colts yesterday? Who?
All they needed to do was beat who? As a
(01:51):
fourteen point favorite on the road. Who the Jaguars? Yeah,
all they needed to do is go in and beat Jacksonville.
Who's uh the worst organization and worst team in the
NFL for a for a second straight year in Indianapolis
(02:13):
not only loses, but they got dominated and man handled
by Jacksonville. And the way everything else turned out around
the NFL, Brady Quinn, the Inanapolis culture going home and
the let's bring back Carson Wentz it was just Philadelphia.
He needed a change of scenery to get back to
where he was with Frank Reich. Here we go, Indies
(02:34):
at home watching the playoffs. The way they finished this
season is an all timer. I mean, honestly losing with
their last two games just falling apart, and the way
they did it. I mean, I'm not I don't want
to make too much of just one game, but give
the Jacksonville Jaguars players a lot of credit. Those guys
(02:55):
could have packed up, got prepared to go to the
Caribbeans somewhere, the Bahamas and I don't know, maybe uh,
Puerto Rico somewhere, Yeah, like Cossa, the combo Um. The
reality is like they came out, they stopped Jonathan Taylor.
They put this game on Carson went shoulders and he
couldn't deliver. Trevor Lawrence had his best game in the season.
I just it's crazy to me to look at that
(03:19):
game and if you took away the records, you would
have thought that Jacksonville Jaguars were the team that was
playing to go to the playoffs, like like that's that's
what they looked like. It didn't look like the Colts
even wanted to be there. It was a bit shocking.
And the only other thing is did Dwayne Smoot have
an incentive that he hit two because there was one
(03:40):
particular time he got I don't know if it was.
I think I had up in a sack, but he
got up, Like just look at the sideline, Sam Paybe.
So I know there was a bunch of incentives out
there for guys, and he kind of kept doing it.
I'm thinking to myself, either his contracts up or he's
got an incentive. But either way, good for him, man,
good good, good for good for the Jacksonville Jaguars a
fitter on a finish on a better note than how
(04:02):
their season went this year. They did not get more
wins than urban Meyer. Keep that in mind, pay Up
on that that that was not that's how the media. Yeah, yeah,
that wasn't That wasn't it. Uh. But with that being said,
you did end on a high note. There weren't very
(04:24):
many high notes for Jacksonville this season. To take a
team that appeared to be trending in the right direction,
you got a possible uh m VP candidate award winner
and and really a team that is built to be
able to make a real run, you knock them off.
(04:47):
I mean not if if I'm and I have been
on plenty of losing teams. To have an opportunity to
do that in your final Game of the Year. What
it does is it shows you what the capabilities and
the potential levels are of a team when they have
something to play for, to to the level or to
(05:08):
the extent of what would be the equivalent of their
Super Bowl. And and so to really think about it
and that in those terms and in that manner, I mean,
you gotta look at Jacksonville and say, huh, well, where
was this team all year? You know, where where was
the Where were these guys? Because you guys were able
to put it together for one game, one last game,
(05:32):
and and and we all know that going into the playoffs,
it's always a one and done scenario. This isn't like
any other sport where you get to come back and
try to do it again, like basketball or hockey or baseball.
It's one and done. You win, you move on, you lose,
you go home. That was what they had in this scenario.
And they showed up. I mean Trevor Lawrence, he showed up,
(05:54):
the team, the defense, they showed up, and and they
made Carson Wentz they led him into mistakes. So to me,
it exposes something that's missing for for the Colts for certain,
But it also makes you wonder Is there a good
team on the inside of this Jaguars, of this Jaguars organization?
(06:19):
Is there a team there? This made me wonder that
because I didn't understand how they were able to win
that game. I mean, they've dominated and Brady pointed this
out last week, but they've been really good against Indianapolis
in Jacksonville. For whatever reason, Indianapolis has struggled there. But
good god, man, with with everything on the line, you're
a four team point favorite and you roll out that
and and as we said, the game wasn't close, Like
(06:41):
there was no point you're watching that game going uh no,
Indian's got them right where they want to know. It
was over, Like Jacksonville completely took over, completely took control
of the game. Carson Wentz afterwards after just a brutal
performance to finish up the season, he talked about it
and also discussed his play and then then missing the postseason.
(07:02):
I gotta protect the ball. I gotta do better job, um.
And so there's there's a lot that could be said
and a lot of things to kind of digest right now.
But yeah, it's it's a frustrating, kind of crappy feeling
right now. We were in control, being in control of
our destiny. Um, last two weeks and we just couldn't
get it done. And it's definitely got it left a
bad taste in my mouth, a lot of guy's mouth. Um,
not where we want to be. Not you know what
(07:23):
we expected either. You know, we expected to finish stronger
than we did. Okay, at this point in his career,
what is Carson Wentz? I mean like, like, what what
do we sounds like an excuse maker, because I meant,
at this point, right if you're sitting there and you
you're having to have that conversation at this at this
(07:46):
juncture of your career, you're not You're not you're not
achieving at a high enough level where you're talking about
what you need to do as it applies to the
next week, in the next game, going into the playoffs.
You're talking about your giving reasoning as to why you're
in the situation that you're in right now and how
we could be better moving forward, Which is fine because
(08:08):
I mean, obviously, as a competitor, you have to take
in the lessons of what happens when you come up short.
I don't want to judge that, and I don't want
to come across, there's like I'm piling on him or
I'm hating on him. But let's be clear here. When
they made the Super Bowl run, which was arguably his
best season as a pro um, they finished it off
(08:28):
with a different guy. And and regardless of what anybody
wants to say, you know, that troupe or that that
statue out in front of the link says it all.
It's a folds not of Carson Wentz. And and so
to me, really and and and I guess to sum
it up, he's you know, he has to make excuses
(08:50):
for not living up to the potential of what it
is that people have expected him to be or think
he is or what they want him to be, because
he has not been that. Whether he is or not,
he has not been that. What he is right now
is he's blind to what he is. He's not a
guy anymore. He's gonna have to earn his way back
(09:12):
into being a guy that a team would trade for
being a guy that I think people look at as
a starting quarterback, a franchise quarterback like that. That's unfortunately
what this season became for him. It was I don't
say a maker break year, but on a on a
team that you know had Philip Rivers the year before,
(09:32):
and I think the longer Philip was there, the better
he got us as far as a sense of fuel
for the chemistry and all that. At no point in
this season did I feel like the Colts were better
off with Carson Wentz. Yeah, I mean, And that's and
that's the sad thing about it is you know, you
had a guy at the end of his career, potentially
a future Hall of Famer and Philip Rivers, and you're thinking,
Carson Wentz wants to get to that point. He had
(09:55):
that opportunity. He had a great run game, he had
a great defense. He really didn't have to do it Ton,
But unfortunately it's just I mean, and by the way,
look at the team he left. If that gives you
any indication of where this whole thing is at for him,
then he needs to realize he's blind to the fact
(10:16):
that he is no longer gonna be looked at as
a guy that is coming in as as your number one.
You're either gonna draft a guy to compete with him
and take over, or you're gonna bring someone else in
who you feel like it's an upgrade and and that's
where he's at right now, whether he wants to acknowledge that,
to realize that or not, and trust me from from
being a quarterback in the league and being drafted in
the first round, how all that goes, it's a harsh
(10:38):
reality to face because now he's the only person the
rest of his career that can believe he can be
that guy, because there's there's not gonna be anyone else
out there advocating for him. There's just not. I mean,
Frank Reich was the last guy. He was with him
in Philly, he brought him to Indy. I mean that
(10:58):
was that's the last guy. But with what we saw
from the season, he's probably now the only one that
can truly truly believe that he could still be that guy.
And that's for him. I thought that. I thought this
at the time that his career started to unravel the
second Nick Foles won that Super Bowl, because I think
(11:21):
he realized they did that without me. We can we
can try and say, well, you know, it was an
m v P type season. Look, he missed time at
the end of the regular season. Then they go to
the postseason and they do something they've never done in
the history of the franchise, and I think he realized
in that moment, not only can they do it without me,
but the next season when he went out and Nick
(11:41):
Foles went in, they made another run of the postseason
without him. When he finally appeared in a playoff game,
he got knocked out with the concussion. And this there
was this sentiment that, well, it must be Philadelphia. It's
toxic there, it's a disaster, it's Doug Peterson, it's this,
it's that, Okay, And so now Indianapolis, and I don't
know what's worse the fact that they're missing the playoffs
(12:03):
now after they make the move to bring in Carson Wentz,
or the fact that they also don't even have a
first round pick next year. So it's almost like they're
committed to whatever he is, Brady, whatever Carson Wentz is
moving forward, uh, or whether he's dealing with stuff mentally,
whether he's doing whatever it is. Indianapolis is so pot
committed now because of what they gave up, that they
just got a roll of this and hope that it
(12:25):
doesn't blow through their championship window. Trying to make a
guy get right again after after what his career was
and turned into now with all the injuries and everything
else that came along with it, they're in a tough spot.
I just I don't think that they're gonna be hanging
their hat on that moving forward, I don't. I think
they're gonna have to start thinking about the future. And
and he's basically found himself in the same position that
he was in in Philly where you brought in a
(12:47):
guy in Jalen Hurts for a reason because and you
and I think Philly at the time talked about, well, hey,
you know, Carson Wentz gets hurt, we're gonna have to
backup a capable backup. We want to see that played
out as you just laid out for us with Nick
full And that was the conversation then. But now after
watching Hurts and we've kind of talked about he just
gets better and better and better the more he plays.
(13:09):
And then you're watching Carson Wentz, it seems like the
more he plays, the more you doubt or the more
and maybe eliminates the thoughts of what you thought he
could be as a franchise guy. So, like I said,
it's an unfortunate part or spots of being in his career.
But the truth of the matter is they the Indianapolis
or and the rest of the league is gonna start saying,
(13:30):
all right, we start looking to the draft. We can
start looking to other guys who may have more potential
upside as opposed to you know what Carson Wentz is Like,
he's getting to the point where I think people looking
him and saying, we know what he is and we
know what he's not. And that's the hard part is
when you when you get to a point in your
career where the NFL is determined what's your upside is
(13:51):
and what your downside is and who you are, it's
hard to shake that. Like there's only so many rich
Gannons out there that come in later than their career,
what thirty they can win an m v P. Because
first impressions can be so damning in football or in life.
And that's the hardest perception overcome is once you make
that first impression, Oh, well, he wasn't the guy who
(14:12):
winn a Super Bowl. Oh he's the guy who gets
hurt all the time. Once you make that first impression,
it's really hard to overcome that. It's two pros and
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so um. New York Giants, Man, they're bad. You want
to talk about? That is a bad football team? And
(15:39):
uh the Giants who uh you know, lose yesterday to
the Washington football team. Uh and at home there were
reports of tickets for as cheap as six dollars and
still plenty of seats available to an NFL game to
kick off your two which for a look for six bucks,
why wouldn't you just go? I know they're a bad team,
(16:02):
but if you can get into an NFL game for
six dollars, why not? I mean, why are you getting there?
You got parking, you've got concessions. Whether are you not
understanding what I'm saying to you? Yes, I'm under just
because the ticket is six dollars, Parking could be twenty
at least if not forty, Or you're taking an uber rye,
which is ridiculously expensive in that area. Then you've got
(16:25):
concessions that's at least under the twenty. What do they
even charge for a sixteen ounce draft beer? I mean
at MetLife? I mean, well, let's get on it, and
we've got it. We've got our crack staff here, can
we get the the information on what they charge for
a draft beer at MetLife Stadium? So we have somebody
who's actually on their way to MetLife right now to
go look at the menu and then get back to
(16:46):
in the So so the point is it's it's not
just six dollars like that's how they entice just to
show up. It's everything else that encompasses that. And also,
why would you want to sit outside in cold weather
and watched what is it? Dumpster? Dumpster far of a
team that seems to want to go into this this
next season with a lame duck head coach. I mean,
(17:08):
let's go live to our I have an update on
the MetLife cost of a beer insider lead to laugh
for the latest lead. Now, I don't believe this when
I'm what I'm reading, But they say it's only five
dollars for a beer. On my ass, it had been
five bucks and the forties my ass, How is that article?
You can get it done? Yeah? When when was that?
I'm okay, I'm seeing another one where it's nine to
(17:28):
twelve dollars, eleven dollars for domestic Okay, it makes more
sense there, you know, it's cheaper and Dodger Stadium Bears.
You've gone from one Bear to two bears. How dare
you um difference between a Jets game and the Giants game? Now,
Joe Judge and the and the Wow, you're gonna take shots?
Like that? They share, they share a place you're gonna
take shot? What's next at Chargers Rams Hate and we
(17:50):
will get to it. Is there a price between the
two teams? That's kind of interesting? Could you imagine that? Like,
I mean, obviously, as bad as the Giants are, the
Jets are probably a worse product, right, I mean, I
don't know, man, the Jets do seem like they play
hard at times. They've got questions at at quarterback and
all that, But I feel at least more confident in
the Jets moving forward. And maybe it's just the head coach. Um.
(18:13):
I just the questionable call that is getting a lot
of conversation is, Uh, the Giants are in the second quarter,
they have a third nine from their own four, and
they line up and do a quarterback sneak. Um. Now,
Jake from has struggled, uh, you know, early in his career,
but third and nine you're at your own four yard
(18:35):
line of the second quarter of week eighteen, and they
ran a QB sneak, which is just, you know, brilliant.
I'll be honest. I had a buddy reach out and
they're like, am I missing something? They go, it was
the clock wrong, was down a distance wrong? Am I
missing something? And I'm watching it going no, they're just
(18:55):
trying to give their punter more room, a little more
them because they're that scared. Because I mean, you could
run a draw, you could run any running play, you
don't have the quarterback sneak. Like that's not only just
an indictment on Jake from by the way, that's an
indictment on your offensive line. That's an indictment on your
(19:18):
entire offense that you don't believe that some of any
of those eleven parts can be better running just a
traditional offensive play than a quarterback sneak. It would It
would be one thing, by the way, because where they at,
like the five or six four there you go. If
you one thing, if you're on your own one like,
I'm okay, you're backed up. There's there's some negative consequences,
(19:40):
right if if anything happens negative here, But you're on
your own four like it just the whole thing was bizarre.
And but again it's it's like much like with Big
Fangio and that instance. Watching it, I'm thinking, how can
ownership honestly move forward with Joe Judges the head coach?
And look, I know it sounds like I'm calling out
some guy's job, but the truth is, it's not even
(20:02):
about that anymore. It's just about what are you selling
at this point. If you're in New York, if you're
the New York Giants and trying to get your fan
base excited, like two top seven picks, well, great, who's
even making those picks? Is that David Gentleman? Is Joe
Judge still there? Is that? Just a wasted year with
Joe Judge? The whole thing is bizarre. Uh, it's the
(20:23):
last game of the season. I mean, I think that
that's what it ultimately comes down to. If if you
run a play like that in that game, and I'm
one of the mayor's or the tissue decision makers for
this organization, I need I need real explanation on that
because that has a tremendous bearing on how I look
(20:46):
at you moving forward. For the simple fact that you
basically told us and your team moving forward when when
all seems lost, I'm going to confirm if for you
it is it is lost. There is no hope to run.
That play says we have no hope, I have no belief.
(21:08):
And how do you recover from that being the decision
that you're making. Can you imagine what was running through
their minds when they heard that play call and they
went up to the ball. Can you imagine what the
defense was thinking while they're sitting there on the sideline
and they're looking at this play. It's the last day
of the season. What do you have to play for
(21:29):
your pride, your your your paycheck, your your dignity, like
your self respect. And it was not self respect. It
was like a bunch formation. There was They weren't even
trying to fool anybody. It was like, no, no no, no,
this is the plan, Like we're we're absolutely doing a
quarterback scene like there was no and and if you're
if you're the Washington football team and you're on defense,
are you just looking at them like are you serious?
(21:51):
Like that? If I'm on Washington side of the ball,
I'm saying we're going to get a win today. We're
gonna We're gonna finish. Ok, We're gonna finish our season
would have win. And and by the way, did I
didn't see the end of the game the end end?
Did they boom? Did he get the booze that he
was saying I'm deserving of? Because it was it was performing.
(22:16):
If they're serving five dollar beers, people were time traveling
by the time the fourth quarter rolled around. I mean,
I mean you would assume that maybe you make them
fat dollar beers so you can get people to want
to come in. People had to have snuck booze in, right,
I mean a flask of something. Are you all about sneaking. No,
I'm just saying, like, I mean, it just feels like
that would be that would be the most No, I'm
(22:36):
not a big flask guy. I'm not carefully you say
that fast. Now speaking of Joe Judge, because look, all
we've heard is that Joe Judge is probably safe. The
giants really like him. The mars are high. And remember
we talked about that, the Marrows are high on Joe Judge.
They think he's uh here, they remind him, uh, they
remind him of the Bill Belichick. Bill Parcel's time there
(22:57):
with the Giants. Jay Glazer sent this out um last
night quote, I believe Giants brass is torn on what
to do with Joe Judge because of the revolving door
of coaches they've had in recent years. They have hesitation
to move on because that they'd add to that revolving door.
At the same time, I've heard a ton of frustration
inside the locker room, not a little a lot, So
(23:20):
I just I don't know how you move forward. It
just feels like this team gave you everything that they
were and told you everything that they that that they
are as a football team the last couple of weeks,
and then yesterday to see a play out like it
did in front of you know, a bunch of people
dressed as empty seats at your final player at your
(23:40):
final home game, I don't know, man, I it feels
like this is the time to move and it wouldn't
now be the perfect if you've got this mini picks
near the top of the draft in the first round,
wouldn't now be just doesn't I mean, let me just
put it out there. I know the organization and know
what they what direction they're trying to go go in.
(24:02):
I know what it is that how they feel about
how they want their team to be ran. I mean,
the last time they had a great amount of success,
it was with a guy that may not have have
been as outwardly I guess verbal with the way that
that judges and how he speaks of his toughness and
(24:23):
and and that strong mentality and approach. But obviously coach
Coughlin was a military background, military style coach, and that's
what type of environment they like there. But as as
things evolve and continue to move forward, you have to
get somebody who can relate to these players. I mean,
(24:46):
that's just the bottom line is you're not going to
have success with a guy that that has such a
rigid approach to how things have to be and the
way they will be with this with today's athlete, it
doesn't resonate the same way. To me, judges out of
he's out of his element with these guys. These guys
(25:09):
are out of their element with him as their leader.
You can't have somebody leading you that that guys aren't
willing to follow. And I think that if they're looking
at it from a critical perspective, you gotta find somebody
out there that's relatable to these guys that could put
together a really really strong coaching staff or bring some
guys in that or keep the guys that that are
(25:31):
already there some of those guys that can relate like
the coach Spencer's uh that coaches d Line and couple
other guys that are there, and you gotta kind of
mesh it together in a way where you can reach
these guys because there's a total disconnect between the coach
and and the players at this point. I Uh, it's
hard to if you're a player on that roster right now,
(25:53):
if someone asked you, how do you feel about Joe Judge,
you know, because because sick want Berkeley kind of came
out and it was defending him in some way, But
what do you expect him to do? I mean, in
all honesty, like you can't, especially a guy who's a
good guy like say Kwan. You know, you don't want
to come out and bash a head coach ever. I mean,
it's just it's it's not something he's gonna do. It's
seldom you find a player who's going to do that
(26:15):
because it once you once you open up that box,
whether it's the next guy who comes in or any
employer you play for after that, that's always gonna be
in the history as part of that baggage. When you
come to that team, they're gonna be looking at him going, yeah,
he's opened his mouth and spouted off about a coach before.
We sure you want this guy. So that's the hard
part is no one's gonna speak up now. It'll be
(26:36):
after they make a decision to move on. I just
think you're wasting a year going in the same direction.
I don't know, you know what you hope to gain
in this offseason, because here's what you're up against. Yeah,
you've got two picks in the top seven. That's great,
and it will help improve the roster. They'll probably go
in the trenches, you know, O line, D line, something
(26:56):
like that with those two picks, because I think to
some degree they believe even the investment they made in
Daniel Jones and want to be patient. But the truth
of the matter is if they start over, they just
need to break the whole thing down. Move on from
Daniel Jones, move off from the head coach, move on
from Daviel Gettleman, and start over again, clean with everyone
you know, moving forward in the same direction. Because if
(27:18):
you get rid of Ghettleman, you keep Judge, maybe you've
got some GM candidates are hesitant because they don't want
to take a job where they're in there with a
head coach that they don't either they want to work
with or be put on their resume for a year,
you know, being with the lame duck coach. Or maybe
they don't believe that Daniel Jones is the guy, and
then maybe Joe Judge does, and then you've got that
battle internally. It just if you look at the most
(27:40):
successful models in the NFL with sustained success, it's always
about having a head coach and general manager on the
same page and sinking those hires up. When they're not
sink together, it seems like, you know, more than likely
it's not gonna work out, especially of late in the NFL.
All you guys want to play a fun little game
(28:00):
little prices, right, little prices, right, quick, little prices right
before you here from the great editors here alright, So
here we go on the fun little game. It's the
prices right the New York Giants since their last playoff
appearance edition here on Fox Sports Radio. All right, So
let's let's go here. How many wins? How many wins
do the Giants have since their last playoff appearance? And
(28:24):
if you recall that was the boat trip for Odell
Beckham Junior. So total wins for the Giants franchises, that
was twenty sixteen, the last time they were in the
postseason regular season six regular season sixteen early alright, so,
so how many in the last five years? How many
(28:45):
total wins for the Giants in the last five years?
LaVar Arrington, step right up? Total wins for the Giants,
right nineteen? Wow? You think? Okay? Alright? Uh now, Brady Quinn,
Brady Quinn, how many total wins for the New York
Giants since their last a right? Nine? And the winner
(29:06):
is LaVar Arrington. You have won twenty two wins for
the New York Giants in the last five years. Ladies
and gentlemen, that is an awful football team. Twenty two
and fifty nine over the last five years. I think
(29:29):
the worst of that time. It's gotta be maybe Jacksonville,
But Jacksonville had that deep playoff run during that time,
so maybe that would. Yeah, the Giants might be the
worst yet of losing They're so bad think about this,
think about New York in general right now? Are and
(29:49):
along with the giants? I mean, I wonder plane in Jersey,
get him out. At least you got the bills. Well,
there's that. I could say it more. I'm gonna yeah,
you know, I'm gonna pile on here. Yeah. At least Tyrie,
you're able to play. That's that's good on the road,
on the road. That is very very good point. Again. Yeah,
(30:14):
they can't be entertained by anything. I can't wait to
get on if you're eating dinner next to everyone's mass.
At least ly Will and Nails at least had great leadership.
All right, It is a two Pros and a Cup
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Right Metallica, good stuff, dude, just off the which album
is this Master of Puppets? No sorry? Come on man
to all my ladies in the blaze? Which style of
grace would let me do? Your people? Who can like
(31:44):
kill a vibe? He can vibe killer better believe it, man,
that's what I do. He walks in all those people
like post hey positive vibes. Jonas will wipe that out
in a hearpie is face? What is this like the
Brothers or something? What is how do I sound like that?
(32:08):
There's only one type of come on please? What exactly
is this music that you're listening to? Is that that Brothers?
Sprinkle some crack on the chomping. Alright, we're going to
(32:33):
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It's time for this after your sports week at happens,
So it's time to get the that's are report, all right,
(33:15):
we're reporting injuries or issues over the weekend. Who wants
to go first? Who's got something? I prematurely announced that
UM got an award in the distinction of a lifetime
and well, I'm on the I r for it, that's all. Well,
you know, but you get reprimanded for it, like I
didn't get Nothing happened, Nothing happened. I just felt really
(33:37):
bad after I went back. You know, I blanked out
when I when I got the package, and maybe in
my mind you think that you get the information differently. Well,
like David Baker's gonna show up at the door something,
you know, you retired. I think David Baker retired and
this was his last year doing that. Knocking on the
(33:59):
door just created something. You just create a different thought
to it, you know. And I just didn't think it'd
be like a box at the front door, but it was.
And I and and listen, I just didn't look look
it all the way over the way that I should
have in that little fine print, that's it. If you
could please please hold off until we announced. I just
(34:22):
didn't see that part. Yeah, yeah, so that that's my
I R that's there far putting in small print, right. Yeah,
it wasn't really what are they going to do? Like
take it away? Now? It wasn't really. It was right there,
but I said, I just said, yeah, I did. I did.
It is what it is. I mean, I got a
lot of good pop from it. You know, Um, I
(34:45):
I screwed up this weekend. This is a I don't
know why I did this. I've never done this before.
I have no idea why I did this. I went
to go you know, I had the show on Saturday morning,
hard for up on games. Uh and uh and I
had the show, thank you for saying yep. And I
had the show this Saturday morning, and Uh, I wanted
(35:08):
to go see uh, you know, go go to a
place that you guys have been to. We don't need
to get into where that place is to go see
you go see the family. We'll put it that way.
And I smelled something as I parked, and um, I
was like, oh, that's that's a little weird. And I
realized I had driven thankfully side streets, not on the
(35:28):
freeway with my parking break on I I have no
no clue and how I didn't notice anything was was
was happening. What type of a break is that? It's
a yeah, it's it's a break that it was. It
(35:48):
was smoking, It smelled for quite some time. We're so
good now. But yeah, I have no idea why I
did that. Just completely slip my mind. You were focused, Oh,
I mean I don't know already focus driven. Man. I
don't have one of these fancy up today cars. My
car is fifteen years old. Yeah, you just like kind
(36:11):
of you know, you don't get these indicators are like, hey, dude,
the parking brakes on you know what I mean, pact man,
you just like you get these uh get these situations
like that man didn't know that he's already had. Yeah. Yeah,
we were at the scene in Colors where uh Sean
Penn finds out Sean Penn finds out simply a rental sir, Yeah,
(36:42):
I can merely want pac man man found that what
Dould savors you don't want to be saved really meant? Yeah, bratty,
you gotta think you want to report? Or was it
another smooth sailing weekend at the Queen Household that was
pretty relaxing. Not much. I mean, I didn't have any
issues as a either of three, though on my middle
child seems to be constantly like last week. At one
(37:04):
point she slipped when she was getting out of the shower.
She's probably too young to get out of the shower,
chipped her front tooth, bruised up her chin. Felt awful
for her. And then she's playing at the park and
she's running and she falls down again and messes up
her bottom teeth. Period. So I was fine. Our middle child, though,
(37:26):
who's a little sweetheart, but she just cannot seem to
stop following and hurting herself right now. Damn it's sad man,
the chip, two things, kind of weird teeth. Yeah, we
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