January 10, 2022 • 37 mins
Monday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, Jonas Knox, Brady Quinn and LaVar Arrington applaud the NFL for the epic finale of the season, with the Raiders beating the Chargers in overtime. The Bengals seem like the hot team with the best path to the Super Bowl. Broncos HC Vic Fangio is let go before Black Monday, and the players that hit or missed their incentives by the end of the season.
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Two Pros and a cup of Joe. Fox Sports Radio,
LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas knocks. Coming up on this
Monday edition, we are going to take a look back
at a wild one from Las Vegas between the Raiders
and the Chargers to finish up the regular season and
what could have been had Brandon Staley not called the
time out. We're also gonna look around at some coaching
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rumors in the NFL. One coach was told he was saved,
but that could be changing here very very soon. Another
edition of In Case You missed It, involving two players
getting paid. We're also gonna look at the Indianapolis Colts
and the disaster conclusion to the regular season, the Niners
continue to owen the Rams, and another edition of the
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Monday morning, we appreciate you doing so. We're gonna take
you all the way up until nine am Eastern time,
six o'clock Pacific here on fs ARE And I will
just start by saying this, NFL take a bow. That
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is how you wrap up a regular season. What a
game last night at so in Las Vegas, rather almost
said so far in Las Vegas in front of all
those Raider fans who have been waiting for a big
time playoff type game and atmosphere to go to and
attend and get excited about, and they absolutely delivered the
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third overtime game of Sunday, the final Sunday of the
NFL season. Unbelievable job. The Ghost of good old John.
That also was sol because when it's all said and done,
we did have a battle on our own show between
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Eddie and Roverts. Revert. Yeah he did, he did went out.
Now the conversation is obviously going to be to what
was the plan of attack from the from the Raiders
and or the Chargers. I'd ask him if they were
going to look for its high see. I I don't
know if we're ever going to get the straight answer.
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This was my thought. I think at that point the
Raiders thought to themselves, all right, it's third down, depending
on what happens here. If they stop us, we'll just
point it away. If they didn't trust the kick at
that time, even though Carlson has been dynamite in that stadium,
I don't think he's missed in that stadium ever. If
they looked at it and said, all right, this is
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gonna be a fifties seven whatever yard field goal at
that point, we'll just punt it away and we will
accept the tie if it's that at that time. But
we're not going to leave Justin Herbert with a short
field after what he did in a worth quarter, which
is unbelievable and a whole another conversation together. I did
the idea that they were going to Some people were saying, oh,
they were going to take a knee in shotgun. What
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are you talk what are we talking about here? So
to me, I think it was a little bit overblown.
Those people you're referring to people on Twitter as that, yeah, yeah,
it's your favorite place, Yeah yeah place. I had to
not to go to very often. Um yeah, I just
I think that was one of it was one of
the before the seasons, when you look at the schedule
and seeing how the regular season was gonna finish with
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like some teams playing three divisional games, you knew there
was gonna be a chance of endings like this. And
now in this case, everything was on the line, right
we knew it was win or go home unless a tie,
which it was very evident the Charges at no point
were playing for a tie. You can't go for that
many fourth thounds in a game. Granted some of it,
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you know, because they were behind, but you can't go
for that many fourth downs in a game in general,
and think that anyone's playing for a tie. So that
wasn't the prerogative of their team. And it goes to
show you too, like even even where teams you know
we're out of it, they still want to knock out
the team that was still in it. Like there's still
some of that sense I think of rivalry that does
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exist to a degree in the NFL, whether people want
to admit it or not. It's not just all about
playing for contracts and money. There is pride, There is
that ability to say, hey, we're going home. We want
these suckers to go home with us too. We'd love
to knock them out of having a chance to play
for the playoffs. And that happened in an in another
occasion yesterday. But what a win. And and to think
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about all the all the Raiders have overcome this season.
I mean, in all honesty, it is crazy. Rich Persaccia,
the job that he's done. Derek Carr never gets enough credit.
I've said this for like three years now. He never
gets enough credit for what he does and and how
this team was able to overcome the Grooten debacle, the
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tragedy that happened off the field with Henry Ruggs, you know,
I mean, all those things that come along with that
that can change your team. Give a ton of credit
to all parties involved. Now, I'll say this, I don't
think the Raiders got a shot of anything in the
way in the round. I'd actually think it would have
been it would have been more interesting to see if
the Chargers got in. But hey, that's why we play
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the games, right. What's amazing is the Chargers are sitting
at home. Yeah, that's like that kind of blows me away.
And and and no, don't hit because let me twisted
the night Roberto was trying to replace uh, Mr Carr
with with Mr Ryan, don't don't hit the applause like
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that at that time, all of you guys have rats
out too. And I'm glad that you said that, because
then my second point was what we have ever said
at that week and at that point in time that
that Roberto said, let's bring in Matt Ryan, Uh, that
wouldn't out. This team would have got to ten wins.
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I just I looked down, like man, ten wins for
the Raiders. So they seemingly have put together of a
winning process throughout all of the confusion and all of
the drama that has played out, and and guys have emerged.
You know, you you get your tight end back. He
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played well, but you know, renfro like he's like he's
a stud. And and I think these guys have really
I think they have really shown that they should be
taken seriously. I know that they have a daunting task
to go go into Cincinnati, but I mean the way
they're playing right now, I'm not necessarily sure they don't
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go in and are a threat to the Cincinnati Bengals
team just just really purely based off of they can
play physical football and if they can, if they can
hold hold serve so to speak, and limit Joe Burrow's
opportunities on the field. I mean, they may have a
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chance Joe Burrow might throw. Based on what happened. It
seemed like I don't know how certain guys were getting
open for the Chargers on what however many fourth downs
they were going for in the final drive that that
only took like two minutes off the game clock, but
was like twenty plays, and they looked exhausted. But Joe
Burrow Brady is probably looking at that secondary last night
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and going that'll work for me. Um, So let's just
take a look, by the way, at the a f
C playoff picture now, because as we as we take
a look at how these teams stuck out versus one another. Um,
you got the Tennessee Titans with a by the Chiefs,
who will now play the Steelers, which should we get
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into at some point. Boy, that felt like a that
felt like one of those wagons on the organ trail
that's got one wheel that like you just you know
it's gonna fall off at some point, and it's just
like you you're just starting, like you're just starting on
the East coast, you're heading westward. It's like, yeah, this
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this ain't gonna last Like this, this wagon ain't gonna
make it. It's not gonna last very long. That was
That's kind of how I would summarize the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Then you've got the Bills, Patriots, and as we talked about,
the the Bengals Raiders. So if you think about how
those games could play out, and I hate to, you know,
tell us, because you know, I don't want to upset Roberto.
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But let's just say all the top seeded teams win
alright too through four, and then obviously Tennessee on the
by so they all move on to the divisional round.
You're then looking at to me, at least, I think
the easiest path might be for Cincinnati. I mean, your
first round game, you're taking on the Raiders. I would say,
next to Pittsburgh, they're probably you know, the most suspect team,
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if you will, And then you're looking at a second
round matchup of taking on the Titans. Like I mean,
the Chiefs and the Bills are the two teams I'm
trying to avoid and they will have to end up
playing off in the divisional round. Like this whole thing
sets up so well for Cincinnati to make a run
and only half the face obviously the winner of that
Chief's Bills game in the a f C Championship and
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maybe play on it into a super Bowl, Like I'm
telling you right now, like that's that's a crazy scenario
that could play out. And that's not that I'm trying
to write off the Tennessee Titans. It's just the fact
that if I said right now, Ryan Tannehill and Joe Burrow,
who would you say? And I don't know that either
defense is really that great. And so if it's all
about which offense do you expect to show up? I can't.
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I can't put a question mark on what Derrick Henry
is gonna be in that game if he comes back,
and what he's gonna look like. But if you're saying
passing attack, it's not even close. And so I'm looking
at the f C playoff pictures thinking right now, huh,
it actually might be the Bengals who have one of
the easiest paths to get through and they're sitting at
the four seed right now. I will say this, I
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don't think that it's going to be outside of Green Bay.
I don't think that there's going to be a team
that gets to the super Bowl that we thought was
going to get to the super Bowl. I think this
is that one year where it's like a team is
going to make it and it's almost like, you know,
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and just listening to the way we're talking about Cincinnati,
whatever team it turns out to be, it almost feels
as though like when the Patriots went for the first time.
I don't know if people can recall that feeling of
when the Patriots went the first time, but when they went,
it was like, man, like, huh, Patriots, you didn't expect them.
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I didn't expect them to win, you know, like at
the time when the Patriots, I mean, let's be real here,
it's Cincinnati makes it to the Super Bowl, what are
you gonna say to yourself? Right, you know what I mean? So,
and I think that that's what this year is shaping
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up for whoever it's going to be. I think it's
possible because if it does turn out to be Joe Burrow,
it could actually be the start of a renaissance for
that organization. And and and and quite frankly, I mean
we were looking at the a f C. North and
they they had as my the Mighty have fallen. You know, Baltimore,
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We're I mean, we're not probably gonna touch too much
on that I own thing, but man, their home, they're
sitting at home. I don't want to speak for anybody
else on this show, but I'd like to apologize for
picking Baltimore in the Super Bowl, right second. I apologize, Yeah,
I apologize. I mean I'm even called I even called
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out a dangered dark course in the Colts sitting at
home had their fate in their hand and gave it
away like it was still December, right, So what do
we what do we have an out LaVar Cincinnati? I mean,
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I want to sit there and say so many things
like nah, but then I'm like, huh Cincinnati. That is
like is there really room enough on their bandwagon? Because
there's a possibility. I mean, when you're when you're comparing
your your your rookie receiver to the greatest of all time.
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There have been so many debates and discussions between between
uh Randy Moss and Jill mar Chaise. Yeah, that's just
everything seems to be shaping up to go in their favor,
because guys aren't. I mean, you look at the way
Kansas City's playing. They are a team that is susceptible
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for the oaky dope. And that's really the only team
that you would sit there and say out of the
a f C is dangerous. I mean, I don't, we
don't know what Tennessee is going to be. All I
know is, guys, get ready because if Cincinnati gives the
super Bowl, all right, Skyline Chili's coming out to l A. Yeah, yeah,
deal with that, John, How your bale is gonna feel
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when you start seeing a bunch of pop up shops
for a Skyline shilling. Five Star Chili's gonna try to
come out there and compete. And as as a chili expert,
I'll just say this, Uh yeah, there's no need to
put it on pasta noodles. It's not necessary, all right,
you know? And I need need what makes you thick?
I need a little thick which chilian on rice? Yes?
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Have you ever tried that? Bro? I don't like rice
fills me up too much? You know that's the point.
I'm like a bird. You know. They stopped throwing rice
and weddings because pigeons were eating the rice and drinking
water and then exploding. You're more like, you're not, You're not,
more like, yeah, that's in some places they stopped throwing
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rice and weddings because the birds would come and eat
it and then water and they explode. You imagine that,
like you're hanging out to nice day, great wedding, you're
driving away just married, and a pigeon explodes over the telephone.
Water ran like a Randy Johnson was alka seltzer. Yeah.
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You know what's funny. You mentioned parakeets LaVar So I
live in South Florida, and apparently when one of the
hurricanes came through, like a bunch of parakeets that got
out and they like to mate like they like to
get after it. I don't know if you guys, those
birds don't mess around like they're like, hey, here to multiply.
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So now there's like all these just natural parakeets flocking around.
You hear them all the time, but it's it's because
they got out at one point during a hurricane and
they just have not stopped hooking up. Since that's so
crazy because we have green parrots out here. Yeah, the
green ones, and I mean they have taken over everything,
and they got loose from a birth down. Well they
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got loose from a burnt down pet stop, pet shop,
and they multiplied. Like Brady said, Hey, by the way,
you have about this show two pros and a cup
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a movie about angry birds. Why not? Why not to
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continue to get the thing horny birds? Alan Post started
with what birds? Isn't that like angry bird? Hurricane led
to uh some sex attic birds? Uh? You know, I
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So we are. It is black Monday, which is not
a funny. Come on, then it's Monday. Why can't it
be white Monday? Yeah? Why can't it be are you
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referred to? Yeah? I just can't it be pink Monday.
Never mind, let's let's okay, let's get away, let's get
away from college. I knew where you were saying though,
because you're thinking about pink slips, right, Yeah, I was.
That was That's when you knew you were my old brother. Yeah.
By the way, though, Bro, that that kind of I
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don't think they've done that since the nineties, like that
kind of day slips there. Yeah, yeah, well what was
it a Major League they had the red tag in
the locker, like when the same thing, but like it
would be pink for over reasons. I think you couldn't
miss that. Like if that's sitting in football players locker,
you're like, oh, what's that? Then you see the reaper. Yeah,
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you see the pink slip. Then the reaper. Well, um,
you know, somebody got their pink slip this weekend. It
was Vic Fangio. The Denver Broncos have moved on um
and you know, not exactly the most pristine situation at
quarterback for you know, Vic Fangio, but you know, you
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felt like there was going to be a move there
so and there's probably gonna be a movement at cornerback, Brady,
but Vic Fangio is out the door in Denver and
now there it appears they're going to head in a
completely different direction, not only a quarterback but also coach
and who knows, maybe a pairing that you pointed out
and brought up last week on the show as well too.
You know, he will be a defensive coordinator if he
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wants right away. And I don't know the language within
his contract. I mean for people out there who don't know.
Sometimes when these coaches get fired, they have offset language,
meaning you know, if they go take another another another job,
they're not gonna get paid or own what they're supposed
to get paid rode. So sometimes they have to sit
out just to be able to get whatever was to them. Um,
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sometimes it doesn't, It just depends. But if he wants
the job, he's gonna be at the top of the
list for so many teams as far as the defensive coordinator.
So many guys have have followed his style and scheme
and have been very successful. And that was not the
issue with Denver, in my opinion, was their defense. It
was their offense. Quarterback play in particular, I mean Teddy
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Bridgewater was the only one who had a five hundred
record of all the quarterbacks that have basically been there
since Peyton. Now, I think Bret Rippon might have started
one game and won it, but again that was kind
of that one game type scenario. But outside of that,
I mean, every single one of them since Peyton Manning
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has struggled, and it's I think it's even harder when
you bring a coach in and you your expectation is
to try to win the division and you've lost now
to the Chiefs. Was the thirteen straight times? I mean,
that's just it's tough to stomach. It's tough to swallow.
I think also only what did him in was the
decision down by seven with what was it like, five minutes,
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six minutes left in the game to kick a field
goal to go down by four, Like that was essentially
summarized like his tenure as a head coach where I
was like, dude, and and maybe he felt like his
job was on the line regardless, but it's like, this
is an instance where you gotta go for it. I mean,
look what else is in your division? Look what the charges?
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For example, we're doing last night just going for fourth
downs left right, the final drive, at least in regulation,
almost felt like they were starting every play on fourth down.
It literally was like that, almost like they spiked the
ball first couple of downs and just waited for fourth
down to make an easy and here we go. Let's
let's make a fourth and twenty one conversion for a
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touchdown earlier in the game, or a fourth and tent
another fourth and tent, like it was ridiculous, But it
was the exact opposite from vic fanjo as a head coach.
It's like all those times you wished like they would
have taken chance, they would have done something else, they didn't.
And that was one of those glaring examples where you're
pulling your hair out if you're a Broncos fan, going,
hold on a second, who are we playing against the
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Chiefs and we're gonna kick a field goal here, so
we still need a touchdown. We're gonna give them the
football back? How does that make any sense? And and
and and and that's that was kind of like in
that instance, I was like, oh, yeah, this is why
he's probably gonna end up getting clipped. But I do
think this roster, if they were to get any one
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of those top quarterbacks has been floated out there, could
turn this thing around in a heartbeat. It is that good.
It is built to have a shot at winning. And
to your point, Jones, I would not be surprised at
all if they didn't go offensive minded young you know,
head coach, that's gonna fit more of the aggressiveness that
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this league is displaying right now. M uh you know, Denver,
let me ask you guys this. If you were to say,
take a roster, pick a roster, and this roster gives
you the better chance to win out of the two,
who do you take? The Raiders or the Broncos Bronco Broncos.
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So think about how damning that is that with every
single thing that the Raiders have gone through, we're still
able to find a way to get the tin wins.
We're now granted they do have a quarterback that has
been in place, but they had an in a room
head coach and seemingly everything against them, all the odds
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were stacked against them to not only not make the
playoffs but just have an epic implosion of of a season.
In some way, somehow, they find a way to get
into the playoffs. That in a way, because they're in
the same the same conference and the same to the
same division, that that in a way has to play
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a large part in how you measure in way a
your your current situation if you're the Broncos as well,
if I'm looking at my team and I'm I'm John
Elway or anyone else that that are are making decisions. Yeah, yeah,
I'm I'm I'm saying to myself, if if if the
Raiders could overcome the way that they did this year,
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and they put the right pieces in place coming out
of this season going in the next season, then where
does that leave us? If we stay the same Where
does that? Where does that put us if we stay
with the same coach with the same situation. So they're
gonna have to address the quarterback situation, They're gonna have
to address the coaching situation. Quite frankly, as good a
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coaches as Fangio is, it's just it can't be accepted
if you have a team that you're better than and
your own in your own home, like your own place,
your own division, and they're in the playoffs and and
you're sitting at home. It just can't work up that way.
So I think it's kind of like process of elimination.
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When you think about how important it is to try
to keep pace, you know, it's that's It's just it's
very simple arithmetic. And it does feel like the formula
for the NFL is if you have a defensive coach
and you fire them, you go off. It just feels
like this is back and forth. But if you're a
Bronco fan watching the game last night and you see
both those quarterbacks, in particular justin Herbert, good luck dealing
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with him for the next decade and Patrick Mahomes and
whatever the Raiders end up turning into. And there's rumors about,
you know, if Pisaccia has gone as head coach, that
you know, har Bob's name has been thrown out there,
that that Fangio could come with him. I also saw
a report that Mike Mayock could be done in Las
Vegas when when that came out there, And a lot
of this stuff is just firing off one right after
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the other, So we just wait to see out all
of the shapes up. But yeah, if you're Denver Brady,
you look at that division going, we got to come
up with something because whatever we got, it's going to
be a problem for the next ten twelve years based
on what we saw last night and what we seen
from Mahomes early in his career. Boy, and I think, oh,
it's one of my favorite songs. Oh. I think when
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you're when you're looking at your roster, it's a young
roster that you still have all this talent around you.
You know what's going on, Well, it's it's it's a
sad day to day because you're you're, i mean, Vic Fangier.
They're moving on from him. We're probably gonna see some
other other coaches, maybe general managers with great hair, be
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moved on from this man you used to be. Man,
if you're if you're half you used to be. This
is how when when this day comes, this is how
a lot of coaches are feeling out. Yeah you know, Yeah,
there was some bourbon and some yak being being sipped
on with a nice big ball of ice in there,
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you know, little rock glass cigar. It's been a great rot.
Your dog is the only one that likes you because
on on the inside, you're why if he is upset
with you as well? Everybody like Daddy, are we going
to stay in his house? Like and you're just sitting
out there on that porch, you know, and it's below
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zero degrees outside and it just doesn't seem to touch you.
That cold doesn't seem to chill and cool you off.
You just so for you know, focused then on what
was how I got this job, How I got here,
How I made this happen? And now it's gone. Now,
how about the fact that David Coley is another name
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that's probably gonna get clipped. That guy deserves some respect
and he deserves a little bit of credit for what
he he took. I don't get that he took over
a bag of crap. I mean, let's know what it is.
And and and that team was actually competitive, Davis Mills
actually has played pretty good football. And the idea that
it's just like we're just gonna move on here, I
don't know. I I understand the situation, but I think
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he deserves another shot. I think he's earned it. I'm
sorry I did explain that to me. And and this
wasn't as if it was some news flash that the
saw Watson situation situation. So if that's the case, why
are they moving on from him, Like he took the
job full well knowing this could be a dumpster fire,
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and yet they still were competitive, there's still made some
strides as the season war on. I don't get it.
I mean literally there there doesn't make any sense while
you hire him the first place, and you look at
the job, he did it with what he was given,
and yet they were and they're still gonna move on
from him. It doesn't make any sense to me whatsoever.
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You look out a couple other situations that Dan Campbell's situation,
you knew that's gonna be a work in progress. You
look at the Jacksonville situation, you knew that was gonna
be a work in progress. Some of these teams, you know,
it's more of a symptom of who they are and
what the character or the identity of what their organization.
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You'll you'll you'll see it shine through and some of
these decisions that are being made, like if you're gonna
jump off ship on a coach that you know has
such a big mess, like it's like you spill. I
I had a spill. We had a party for my
daughter this weekend or her her sixteen birthday, and there
was a spill birthday. Absolutely happy birth sixteen birthday, not
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license learners permit. She wanted to porch truck for a
sixteen birthday. That's it. Get a scholarship for for volleyball
and we'll visit that second daddy, teacher, I mean, I
assume you're a good driver. I am a good driver actually,
and my wife is a jerker of a driver, like
she hits the she jerked you around. You get motion sickness, Yeah,
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she she sits on the break quite a bit. She
you get on a jet ski where it's horrible as well?
Is it just no, it's never any good. Um. But
there was a spill, right and it was a big,
big spill, and you look at that spill, and it's like,
I'm looking at it, like should I walk away and
act like I didn't see it? Because it's so big
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that somebody else to get it. They'll clean it right,
And and then you then you say to yourself, well,
I'm a good dude if I clean it up, so
let me get let me get the going on it.
And then you grab the paper towel to start cleaning
it up. And then you realize you ran out of
paper towel, but there's still a spill. That's what these
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coaches are dealing with. They have they have messes on
the floor that they have to try to clean up,
and they've only been given a limited roll of of,
you know, paper towel to try to clean it up,
and they're faulted for not having enough paper towel and
the mess they're still mess on the floor, so it's
kind of like, how do you move forward? Do you
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leave the mess there? Do you give them more paper towel?
Whatever it is. It's just it's to see absolutely, it
just it just seems like some of these guys were
given a half roll of paper towel, yeah, to clean
up a mess that was bigger than what it is
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that they were given. And that's you know, but that's
the nature of the beast. It really is the nature
of the beasts. And you take the job full well
knowing you better hope for the best. But if you
don't get the best, you prepare for the worst. And
if the worst happens, you gotta hope that you have
people like us, I know what we're talking about on
radios and and and writing, you know, doing blogs or
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judge this guy based off of the results on what
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But in case you missed this, uh t J not
a j. T J. Watt tied Michael Strahan's single season
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sack record with twenty two and a half and then
on the very next play got need in the groin.
Did you see that one? Yeah? Which did? Jonas was
looking at it and sending me like replays and close up.
So it's kind of weird which which sack was more impactful?
Impat Yeah, I mean the really uh you know, yeah,
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he could have broken the record on another one there
was like a penalty or whatever happened. He could have
broken something else too, Heyward with the unsportsmanlike conduct, Yeah,
it's too bad. That is unsportsmanlike. You know, nothing sportsman
like about that. Now do you think that you know
him being a wat do you think he really really
(33:50):
cared about you know this, uh this stat you know,
like he really wanted that to that extra because you know,
they you know, they're all about the team. It's not
really about them, the brothers. So I just want to know,
I love teaching in there with j J. T J
is not walking around the shirt off as much. You don't.
You don't see him pushing the sled on the field
after just asking the question, we're on hard knocks, then
(34:10):
the until the lights go out, don't pass rush moves
on gold post. He doesn't live in a house filled
with mirrors. Yeah yeah, come out with a suit line,
you know, right, you guys. Rob Gronkowski needed seven catches
in eighty five yards. He got a one million dollar
bonus on the season, and Bruce arians was telling Tom
(34:32):
Brady to take a seat, but Tom Brady said, no way,
I'm gonna get my guy paid. He went in and
got robbed that money. Good for him, and you figure
you okay, I know where you're going. Go ahead. I
mean you know he didn't have to take off his shirt. Yeah,
throw his pads down on the side line, go in
and go into the locker room waving his hands and
(34:52):
this is it. I ain't gonna get my bonus. This
screw y'all, Like you didn't do it. So there you go.
We went out there and actually earned his incentives. How
about that? And they actually and he actually trusted them
to help him get there. Go figure, good for him.
Came down to the wire. Yeah, good for him. Okay,
there you go. Good. What's what tape BF two on
with Brady's buddy Bob Menory? Was he doing a more
(35:13):
more sit down with him? You know? Did you know
LaVar Like we basically discovered Bob Menory before he blew up.
He was. He was on social media doing his stick
and I reached out to him and I'm like, hey man,
I mean there wasn't really much we could do about
his stick with our show, but I was like, why
(35:35):
don't you come on and we'll kind of talk about it.
And over the next year he blew up. So you
guys are we were like the first to kind of
discover him and like put him on a national stage
Sunday night. You know, That's why I created a up
on Game Presents platform for those type of people. Do
your show on our platform. I'm telling you, LaVar, you
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hang out with Brady and not long enough and we'll
discover some time we're going to get you into the
College Ball Hall of Fame. I'm telling you, I got
a good feeling about it. I want my old brother
to come with me. I'm trying to I'm trying to
open up the gates for him to come in. We
were hanging there together. You had to put out a
video highlighted every single yeah, you know, you know, things happen.
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Nothing to be a shame, nothing to do. Yeah, you know,
I just had to let them know. I was apologetic,
you know, sorry, Yeah, speaking of speaking of speaking of
sacks uh Lee, what else we got you guys On
the on the other side of incentives, Chief's defensive tackle
Chris Jones needed one more sack to get at one
point to five million dollar votus he had at the combine.
(36:45):
One isn't enough. Huh, all right some sacks? Yeah? Did
he fall just short? Yeah, it's just like he fell
pretty long live and I'm not feeling too bad for
the guy, honestly, for several reasons, including his uh, including
his large contract. Don't feel bad. That's in his contract.
(37:12):
You ssull want him to get it. The guy guys
running a forty yard dash at the combine and they
zoom in. Next thing you know, a bag full of
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you all the way up until nine am Eastern time,
six o'clock Pacific here on fs ARE And I will
just start by saying this, NFL take a bow. That
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is how you wrap up a regular season. What a
game last night at so in Las Vegas, rather almost
said so far in Las Vegas in front of all
those Raider fans who have been waiting for a big
time playoff type game and atmosphere to go to and
attend and get excited about, and they absolutely delivered the
(01:46):
third overtime game of Sunday, the final Sunday of the
NFL season. Unbelievable job. The Ghost of good old John.
That also was sol because when it's all said and done,
we did have a battle on our own show between
(02:06):
Eddie and Roverts. Revert. Yeah he did, he did went out.
Now the conversation is obviously going to be to what
was the plan of attack from the from the Raiders
and or the Chargers. I'd ask him if they were
going to look for its high see. I I don't
know if we're ever going to get the straight answer.
(02:26):
This was my thought. I think at that point the
Raiders thought to themselves, all right, it's third down, depending
on what happens here. If they stop us, we'll just
point it away. If they didn't trust the kick at
that time, even though Carlson has been dynamite in that stadium,
I don't think he's missed in that stadium ever. If
they looked at it and said, all right, this is
(02:47):
gonna be a fifties seven whatever yard field goal at
that point, we'll just punt it away and we will
accept the tie if it's that at that time. But
we're not going to leave Justin Herbert with a short
field after what he did in a worth quarter, which
is unbelievable and a whole another conversation together. I did
the idea that they were going to Some people were saying, oh,
they were going to take a knee in shotgun. What
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are you talk what are we talking about here? So
to me, I think it was a little bit overblown.
Those people you're referring to people on Twitter as that, yeah, yeah,
it's your favorite place, Yeah yeah place. I had to
not to go to very often. Um yeah, I just
I think that was one of it was one of
the before the seasons, when you look at the schedule
and seeing how the regular season was gonna finish with
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like some teams playing three divisional games, you knew there
was gonna be a chance of endings like this. And
now in this case, everything was on the line, right
we knew it was win or go home unless a tie,
which it was very evident the Charges at no point
were playing for a tie. You can't go for that
many fourth thounds in a game. Granted some of it,
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you know, because they were behind, but you can't go
for that many fourth downs in a game in general,
and think that anyone's playing for a tie. So that
wasn't the prerogative of their team. And it goes to
show you too, like even even where teams you know
we're out of it, they still want to knock out
the team that was still in it. Like there's still
some of that sense I think of rivalry that does
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exist to a degree in the NFL, whether people want
to admit it or not. It's not just all about
playing for contracts and money. There is pride, There is
that ability to say, hey, we're going home. We want
these suckers to go home with us too. We'd love
to knock them out of having a chance to play
for the playoffs. And that happened in an in another
occasion yesterday. But what a win. And and to think
(04:34):
about all the all the Raiders have overcome this season.
I mean, in all honesty, it is crazy. Rich Persaccia,
the job that he's done. Derek Carr never gets enough credit.
I've said this for like three years now. He never
gets enough credit for what he does and and how
this team was able to overcome the Grooten debacle, the
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tragedy that happened off the field with Henry Ruggs, you know,
I mean, all those things that come along with that
that can change your team. Give a ton of credit
to all parties involved. Now, I'll say this, I don't
think the Raiders got a shot of anything in the
way in the round. I'd actually think it would have
been it would have been more interesting to see if
the Chargers got in. But hey, that's why we play
(05:17):
the games, right. What's amazing is the Chargers are sitting
at home. Yeah, that's like that kind of blows me away.
And and and no, don't hit because let me twisted
the night Roberto was trying to replace uh, Mr Carr
with with Mr Ryan, don't don't hit the applause like
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that at that time, all of you guys have rats
out too. And I'm glad that you said that, because
then my second point was what we have ever said
at that week and at that point in time that
that Roberto said, let's bring in Matt Ryan, Uh, that
wouldn't out. This team would have got to ten wins.
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I just I looked down, like man, ten wins for
the Raiders. So they seemingly have put together of a
winning process throughout all of the confusion and all of
the drama that has played out, and and guys have emerged.
You know, you you get your tight end back. He
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played well, but you know, renfro like he's like he's
a stud. And and I think these guys have really
I think they have really shown that they should be
taken seriously. I know that they have a daunting task
to go go into Cincinnati, but I mean the way
they're playing right now, I'm not necessarily sure they don't
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go in and are a threat to the Cincinnati Bengals
team just just really purely based off of they can
play physical football and if they can, if they can
hold hold serve so to speak, and limit Joe Burrow's
opportunities on the field. I mean, they may have a
(07:08):
chance Joe Burrow might throw. Based on what happened. It
seemed like I don't know how certain guys were getting
open for the Chargers on what however many fourth downs
they were going for in the final drive that that
only took like two minutes off the game clock, but
was like twenty plays, and they looked exhausted. But Joe
Burrow Brady is probably looking at that secondary last night
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and going that'll work for me. Um, So let's just
take a look, by the way, at the a f
C playoff picture now, because as we as we take
a look at how these teams stuck out versus one another. Um,
you got the Tennessee Titans with a by the Chiefs,
who will now play the Steelers, which should we get
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into at some point. Boy, that felt like a that
felt like one of those wagons on the organ trail
that's got one wheel that like you just you know
it's gonna fall off at some point, and it's just
like you you're just starting, like you're just starting on
the East coast, you're heading westward. It's like, yeah, this
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this ain't gonna last Like this, this wagon ain't gonna
make it. It's not gonna last very long. That was
That's kind of how I would summarize the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Then you've got the Bills, Patriots, and as we talked about,
the the Bengals Raiders. So if you think about how
those games could play out, and I hate to, you know,
tell us, because you know, I don't want to upset Roberto.
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But let's just say all the top seeded teams win
alright too through four, and then obviously Tennessee on the
by so they all move on to the divisional round.
You're then looking at to me, at least, I think
the easiest path might be for Cincinnati. I mean, your
first round game, you're taking on the Raiders. I would say,
next to Pittsburgh, they're probably you know, the most suspect team,
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if you will, And then you're looking at a second
round matchup of taking on the Titans. Like I mean,
the Chiefs and the Bills are the two teams I'm
trying to avoid and they will have to end up
playing off in the divisional round. Like this whole thing
sets up so well for Cincinnati to make a run
and only half the face obviously the winner of that
Chief's Bills game in the a f C Championship and
(09:17):
maybe play on it into a super Bowl, Like I'm
telling you right now, like that's that's a crazy scenario
that could play out. And that's not that I'm trying
to write off the Tennessee Titans. It's just the fact
that if I said right now, Ryan Tannehill and Joe Burrow,
who would you say? And I don't know that either
defense is really that great. And so if it's all
about which offense do you expect to show up? I can't.
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I can't put a question mark on what Derrick Henry
is gonna be in that game if he comes back,
and what he's gonna look like. But if you're saying
passing attack, it's not even close. And so I'm looking
at the f C playoff pictures thinking right now, huh,
it actually might be the Bengals who have one of
the easiest paths to get through and they're sitting at
the four seed right now. I will say this, I
(10:02):
don't think that it's going to be outside of Green Bay.
I don't think that there's going to be a team
that gets to the super Bowl that we thought was
going to get to the super Bowl. I think this
is that one year where it's like a team is
going to make it and it's almost like, you know,
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and just listening to the way we're talking about Cincinnati,
whatever team it turns out to be, it almost feels
as though like when the Patriots went for the first time.
I don't know if people can recall that feeling of
when the Patriots went the first time, but when they went,
it was like, man, like, huh, Patriots, you didn't expect them.
(10:44):
I didn't expect them to win, you know, like at
the time when the Patriots, I mean, let's be real here,
it's Cincinnati makes it to the Super Bowl, what are
you gonna say to yourself? Right, you know what I mean? So,
and I think that that's what this year is shaping
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up for whoever it's going to be. I think it's
possible because if it does turn out to be Joe Burrow,
it could actually be the start of a renaissance for
that organization. And and and and quite frankly, I mean
we were looking at the a f C. North and
they they had as my the Mighty have fallen. You know, Baltimore,
(11:26):
We're I mean, we're not probably gonna touch too much
on that I own thing, but man, their home, they're
sitting at home. I don't want to speak for anybody
else on this show, but I'd like to apologize for
picking Baltimore in the Super Bowl, right second. I apologize, Yeah,
I apologize. I mean I'm even called I even called
(11:47):
out a dangered dark course in the Colts sitting at
home had their fate in their hand and gave it
away like it was still December, right, So what do
we what do we have an out LaVar Cincinnati? I mean,
(12:07):
I want to sit there and say so many things
like nah, but then I'm like, huh Cincinnati. That is
like is there really room enough on their bandwagon? Because
there's a possibility. I mean, when you're when you're comparing
your your your rookie receiver to the greatest of all time.
(12:30):
There have been so many debates and discussions between between
uh Randy Moss and Jill mar Chaise. Yeah, that's just
everything seems to be shaping up to go in their favor,
because guys aren't. I mean, you look at the way
Kansas City's playing. They are a team that is susceptible
(12:52):
for the oaky dope. And that's really the only team
that you would sit there and say out of the
a f C is dangerous. I mean, I don't, we
don't know what Tennessee is going to be. All I
know is, guys, get ready because if Cincinnati gives the
super Bowl, all right, Skyline Chili's coming out to l A. Yeah, yeah,
deal with that, John, How your bale is gonna feel
(13:14):
when you start seeing a bunch of pop up shops
for a Skyline shilling. Five Star Chili's gonna try to
come out there and compete. And as as a chili expert,
I'll just say this, Uh yeah, there's no need to
put it on pasta noodles. It's not necessary, all right,
you know? And I need need what makes you thick?
I need a little thick which chilian on rice? Yes?
(13:36):
Have you ever tried that? Bro? I don't like rice
fills me up too much? You know that's the point.
I'm like a bird. You know. They stopped throwing rice
and weddings because pigeons were eating the rice and drinking
water and then exploding. You're more like, you're not, You're not,
more like, yeah, that's in some places they stopped throwing
(13:58):
rice and weddings because the birds would come and eat
it and then water and they explode. You imagine that,
like you're hanging out to nice day, great wedding, you're
driving away just married, and a pigeon explodes over the telephone.
Water ran like a Randy Johnson was alka seltzer. Yeah.
(14:19):
You know what's funny. You mentioned parakeets LaVar So I
live in South Florida, and apparently when one of the
hurricanes came through, like a bunch of parakeets that got
out and they like to mate like they like to
get after it. I don't know if you guys, those
birds don't mess around like they're like, hey, here to multiply.
(14:43):
So now there's like all these just natural parakeets flocking around.
You hear them all the time, but it's it's because
they got out at one point during a hurricane and
they just have not stopped hooking up. Since that's so
crazy because we have green parrots out here. Yeah, the
green ones, and I mean they have taken over everything,
and they got loose from a birth down. Well they
(15:05):
got loose from a burnt down pet stop, pet shop,
and they multiplied. Like Brady said, Hey, by the way,
you have about this show two pros and a cup
of joe. You come for the football talk, you stay
for the horny birds. That's how this works. They made
a movie about angry birds. Why not? Why not to
(15:28):
continue to get the thing horny birds? Alan Post started
with what birds? Isn't that like angry bird? Hurricane led
to uh some sex attic birds? Uh? You know, I
never knew on a Monday. All right, it's Jonah Stocks.
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Let's let's go, Let's keep it real. Wrong. I don't
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(16:54):
absolutely paid in the NFL yesterday. So I'll have that
that talk here eight of this hour here on fs ARE.
So we are. It is black Monday, which is not
a funny. Come on, then it's Monday. Why can't it
be white Monday? Yeah? Why can't it be are you
(17:14):
referred to? Yeah? I just can't it be pink Monday.
Never mind, let's let's okay, let's get away, let's get
away from college. I knew where you were saying though,
because you're thinking about pink slips, right, Yeah, I was.
That was That's when you knew you were my old brother. Yeah.
By the way, though, Bro, that that kind of I
(17:36):
don't think they've done that since the nineties, like that
kind of day slips there. Yeah, yeah, well what was
it a Major League they had the red tag in
the locker, like when the same thing, but like it
would be pink for over reasons. I think you couldn't
miss that. Like if that's sitting in football players locker,
you're like, oh, what's that? Then you see the reaper. Yeah,
(17:57):
you see the pink slip. Then the reaper. Well, um,
you know, somebody got their pink slip this weekend. It
was Vic Fangio. The Denver Broncos have moved on um
and you know, not exactly the most pristine situation at
quarterback for you know, Vic Fangio, but you know, you
(18:18):
felt like there was going to be a move there
so and there's probably gonna be a movement at cornerback, Brady,
but Vic Fangio is out the door in Denver and
now there it appears they're going to head in a
completely different direction, not only a quarterback but also coach
and who knows, maybe a pairing that you pointed out
and brought up last week on the show as well too.
You know, he will be a defensive coordinator if he
(18:39):
wants right away. And I don't know the language within
his contract. I mean for people out there who don't know.
Sometimes when these coaches get fired, they have offset language,
meaning you know, if they go take another another another job,
they're not gonna get paid or own what they're supposed
to get paid rode. So sometimes they have to sit
out just to be able to get whatever was to them. Um,
(19:01):
sometimes it doesn't, It just depends. But if he wants
the job, he's gonna be at the top of the
list for so many teams as far as the defensive coordinator.
So many guys have have followed his style and scheme
and have been very successful. And that was not the
issue with Denver, in my opinion, was their defense. It
was their offense. Quarterback play in particular, I mean Teddy
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Bridgewater was the only one who had a five hundred
record of all the quarterbacks that have basically been there
since Peyton. Now, I think Bret Rippon might have started
one game and won it, but again that was kind
of that one game type scenario. But outside of that,
I mean, every single one of them since Peyton Manning
(19:43):
has struggled, and it's I think it's even harder when
you bring a coach in and you your expectation is
to try to win the division and you've lost now
to the Chiefs. Was the thirteen straight times? I mean,
that's just it's tough to stomach. It's tough to swallow.
I think also only what did him in was the
decision down by seven with what was it like, five minutes,
(20:06):
six minutes left in the game to kick a field
goal to go down by four, Like that was essentially
summarized like his tenure as a head coach where I
was like, dude, and and maybe he felt like his
job was on the line regardless, but it's like, this
is an instance where you gotta go for it. I mean,
look what else is in your division? Look what the charges?
(20:28):
For example, we're doing last night just going for fourth
downs left right, the final drive, at least in regulation,
almost felt like they were starting every play on fourth down.
It literally was like that, almost like they spiked the
ball first couple of downs and just waited for fourth
down to make an easy and here we go. Let's
let's make a fourth and twenty one conversion for a
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touchdown earlier in the game, or a fourth and tent
another fourth and tent, like it was ridiculous, But it
was the exact opposite from vic fanjo as a head coach.
It's like all those times you wished like they would
have taken chance, they would have done something else, they didn't.
And that was one of those glaring examples where you're
pulling your hair out if you're a Broncos fan, going,
hold on a second, who are we playing against the
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Chiefs and we're gonna kick a field goal here, so
we still need a touchdown. We're gonna give them the
football back? How does that make any sense? And and
and and and that's that was kind of like in
that instance, I was like, oh, yeah, this is why
he's probably gonna end up getting clipped. But I do
think this roster, if they were to get any one
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of those top quarterbacks has been floated out there, could
turn this thing around in a heartbeat. It is that good.
It is built to have a shot at winning. And
to your point, Jones, I would not be surprised at
all if they didn't go offensive minded young you know,
head coach, that's gonna fit more of the aggressiveness that
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this league is displaying right now. M uh you know, Denver,
let me ask you guys this. If you were to say,
take a roster, pick a roster, and this roster gives
you the better chance to win out of the two,
who do you take? The Raiders or the Broncos Bronco Broncos.
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So think about how damning that is that with every
single thing that the Raiders have gone through, we're still
able to find a way to get the tin wins.
We're now granted they do have a quarterback that has
been in place, but they had an in a room
head coach and seemingly everything against them, all the odds
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were stacked against them to not only not make the
playoffs but just have an epic implosion of of a season.
In some way, somehow, they find a way to get
into the playoffs. That in a way, because they're in
the same the same conference and the same to the
same division, that that in a way has to play
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a large part in how you measure in way a
your your current situation if you're the Broncos as well,
if I'm looking at my team and I'm I'm John
Elway or anyone else that that are are making decisions. Yeah, yeah,
I'm I'm I'm saying to myself, if if if the
Raiders could overcome the way that they did this year,
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and they put the right pieces in place coming out
of this season going in the next season, then where
does that leave us? If we stay the same Where
does that? Where does that put us if we stay
with the same coach with the same situation. So they're
gonna have to address the quarterback situation, They're gonna have
to address the coaching situation. Quite frankly, as good a
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coaches as Fangio is, it's just it can't be accepted
if you have a team that you're better than and
your own in your own home, like your own place,
your own division, and they're in the playoffs and and
you're sitting at home. It just can't work up that way.
So I think it's kind of like process of elimination.
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When you think about how important it is to try
to keep pace, you know, it's that's It's just it's
very simple arithmetic. And it does feel like the formula
for the NFL is if you have a defensive coach
and you fire them, you go off. It just feels
like this is back and forth. But if you're a
Bronco fan watching the game last night and you see
both those quarterbacks, in particular justin Herbert, good luck dealing
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with him for the next decade and Patrick Mahomes and
whatever the Raiders end up turning into. And there's rumors about,
you know, if Pisaccia has gone as head coach, that
you know, har Bob's name has been thrown out there,
that that Fangio could come with him. I also saw
a report that Mike Mayock could be done in Las
Vegas when when that came out there, And a lot
of this stuff is just firing off one right after
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the other, So we just wait to see out all
of the shapes up. But yeah, if you're Denver Brady,
you look at that division going, we got to come
up with something because whatever we got, it's going to
be a problem for the next ten twelve years based
on what we saw last night and what we seen
from Mahomes early in his career. Boy, and I think, oh,
it's one of my favorite songs. Oh. I think when
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you're when you're looking at your roster, it's a young
roster that you still have all this talent around you.
You know what's going on, Well, it's it's it's a
sad day to day because you're you're, i mean, Vic Fangier.
They're moving on from him. We're probably gonna see some
other other coaches, maybe general managers with great hair, be
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moved on from this man you used to be. Man,
if you're if you're half you used to be. This
is how when when this day comes, this is how
a lot of coaches are feeling out. Yeah you know, Yeah,
there was some bourbon and some yak being being sipped
on with a nice big ball of ice in there,
(25:50):
you know, little rock glass cigar. It's been a great rot.
Your dog is the only one that likes you because
on on the inside, you're why if he is upset
with you as well? Everybody like Daddy, are we going
to stay in his house? Like and you're just sitting
out there on that porch, you know, and it's below
(26:12):
zero degrees outside and it just doesn't seem to touch you.
That cold doesn't seem to chill and cool you off.
You just so for you know, focused then on what
was how I got this job, How I got here,
How I made this happen? And now it's gone. Now,
how about the fact that David Coley is another name
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that's probably gonna get clipped. That guy deserves some respect
and he deserves a little bit of credit for what
he he took. I don't get that he took over
a bag of crap. I mean, let's know what it is.
And and and that team was actually competitive, Davis Mills
actually has played pretty good football. And the idea that
it's just like we're just gonna move on here, I
don't know. I I understand the situation, but I think
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he deserves another shot. I think he's earned it. I'm
sorry I did explain that to me. And and this
wasn't as if it was some news flash that the
saw Watson situation situation. So if that's the case, why
are they moving on from him, Like he took the
job full well knowing this could be a dumpster fire,
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and yet they still were competitive, there's still made some
strides as the season war on. I don't get it.
I mean literally there there doesn't make any sense while
you hire him the first place, and you look at
the job, he did it with what he was given,
and yet they were and they're still gonna move on
from him. It doesn't make any sense to me whatsoever.
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You look out a couple other situations that Dan Campbell's situation,
you knew that's gonna be a work in progress. You
look at the Jacksonville situation, you knew that was gonna
be a work in progress. Some of these teams, you know,
it's more of a symptom of who they are and
what the character or the identity of what their organization.
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You'll you'll you'll see it shine through and some of
these decisions that are being made, like if you're gonna
jump off ship on a coach that you know has
such a big mess, like it's like you spill. I
I had a spill. We had a party for my
daughter this weekend or her her sixteen birthday, and there
was a spill birthday. Absolutely happy birth sixteen birthday, not
(28:24):
license learners permit. She wanted to porch truck for a
sixteen birthday. That's it. Get a scholarship for for volleyball
and we'll visit that second daddy, teacher, I mean, I
assume you're a good driver. I am a good driver actually,
and my wife is a jerker of a driver, like
she hits the she jerked you around. You get motion sickness, Yeah,
(28:48):
she she sits on the break quite a bit. She
you get on a jet ski where it's horrible as well?
Is it just no, it's never any good. Um. But
there was a spill, right and it was a big,
big spill, and you look at that spill, and it's like,
I'm looking at it, like should I walk away and
act like I didn't see it? Because it's so big
(29:10):
that somebody else to get it. They'll clean it right,
And and then you then you say to yourself, well,
I'm a good dude if I clean it up, so
let me get let me get the going on it.
And then you grab the paper towel to start cleaning
it up. And then you realize you ran out of
paper towel, but there's still a spill. That's what these
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coaches are dealing with. They have they have messes on
the floor that they have to try to clean up,
and they've only been given a limited roll of of,
you know, paper towel to try to clean it up,
and they're faulted for not having enough paper towel and
the mess they're still mess on the floor, so it's
kind of like, how do you move forward? Do you
(29:52):
leave the mess there? Do you give them more paper towel?
Whatever it is. It's just it's to see absolutely, it
just it just seems like some of these guys were
given a half roll of paper towel, yeah, to clean
up a mess that was bigger than what it is
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that they were given. And that's you know, but that's
the nature of the beast. It really is the nature
of the beasts. And you take the job full well
knowing you better hope for the best. But if you
don't get the best, you prepare for the worst. And
if the worst happens, you gotta hope that you have
people like us, I know what we're talking about on
radios and and and writing, you know, doing blogs or
(30:35):
doing you know, columns where they say, how can you
judge this guy based off of the results on what
this mess has been. It's to two pros and a
cup of Joe here on Fox Sports Trading and again
we will keep you updated on any development coaches being fired,
uh and reports that come out through over the next
(30:56):
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the hell is going on you guys. In case you
missed it. We all know the Steelers made the playoffs,
But in case you missed this, uh t J not
a j. T J. Watt tied Michael Strahan's single season
(33:03):
sack record with twenty two and a half and then
on the very next play got need in the groin.
Did you see that one? Yeah? Which did? Jonas was
looking at it and sending me like replays and close up.
So it's kind of weird which which sack was more impactful?
Impat Yeah, I mean the really uh you know, yeah,
(33:29):
he could have broken the record on another one there
was like a penalty or whatever happened. He could have
broken something else too, Heyward with the unsportsmanlike conduct, Yeah,
it's too bad. That is unsportsmanlike. You know, nothing sportsman
like about that. Now do you think that you know
him being a wat do you think he really really
(33:50):
cared about you know this, uh this stat you know,
like he really wanted that to that extra because you know,
they you know, they're all about the team. It's not
really about them, the brothers. So I just want to know,
I love teaching in there with j J. T J
is not walking around the shirt off as much. You don't.
You don't see him pushing the sled on the field
after just asking the question, we're on hard knocks, then
(34:10):
the until the lights go out, don't pass rush moves
on gold post. He doesn't live in a house filled
with mirrors. Yeah yeah, come out with a suit line,
you know, right, you guys. Rob Gronkowski needed seven catches
in eighty five yards. He got a one million dollar
bonus on the season, and Bruce arians was telling Tom
(34:32):
Brady to take a seat, but Tom Brady said, no way,
I'm gonna get my guy paid. He went in and
got robbed that money. Good for him, and you figure
you okay, I know where you're going. Go ahead. I
mean you know he didn't have to take off his shirt. Yeah,
throw his pads down on the side line, go in
and go into the locker room waving his hands and
(34:52):
this is it. I ain't gonna get my bonus. This
screw y'all, Like you didn't do it. So there you go.
We went out there and actually earned his incentives. How
about that? And they actually and he actually trusted them
to help him get there. Go figure, good for him.
Came down to the wire. Yeah, good for him. Okay,
there you go. Good. What's what tape BF two on
with Brady's buddy Bob Menory? Was he doing a more
(35:13):
more sit down with him? You know? Did you know
LaVar Like we basically discovered Bob Menory before he blew up.
He was. He was on social media doing his stick
and I reached out to him and I'm like, hey man,
I mean there wasn't really much we could do about
his stick with our show, but I was like, why
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don't you come on and we'll kind of talk about it.
And over the next year he blew up. So you
guys are we were like the first to kind of
discover him and like put him on a national stage
Sunday night. You know, That's why I created a up
on Game Presents platform for those type of people. Do
your show on our platform. I'm telling you, LaVar, you
(35:55):
hang out with Brady and not long enough and we'll
discover some time we're going to get you into the
College Ball Hall of Fame. I'm telling you, I got
a good feeling about it. I want my old brother
to come with me. I'm trying to I'm trying to
open up the gates for him to come in. We
were hanging there together. You had to put out a
video highlighted every single yeah, you know, you know, things happen.
(36:23):
Nothing to be a shame, nothing to do. Yeah, you know,
I just had to let them know. I was apologetic,
you know, sorry, Yeah, speaking of speaking of speaking of
sacks uh Lee, what else we got you guys On
the on the other side of incentives, Chief's defensive tackle
Chris Jones needed one more sack to get at one
point to five million dollar votus he had at the combine.
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One isn't enough. Huh, all right some sacks? Yeah? Did
he fall just short? Yeah, it's just like he fell
pretty long live and I'm not feeling too bad for
the guy, honestly, for several reasons, including his uh, including
his large contract. Don't feel bad. That's in his contract.
(37:12):
You ssull want him to get it. The guy guys
running a forty yard dash at the combine and they
zoom in. Next thing you know, a bag full of
sumo wrestlers falls on the turf. I feel sorry for
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